I don't think you'd mind to much if I made this one since you, potentially, could not be here for a while and discussion seems to be going crazy right now. I don't think you'd mind to much anyway, right? =p

Stats websites:

Everything you could ever imagine:
http://www.sc2k4.com

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/2003/index.html

Spring 2004 Contest: (not currently updating)
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/index.html

Stats topics:

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note)

2003-2004 Off-Season:
http://membres.lycos.fr/shindohikaru/stats1.htm (See note)
Note: Don't use the links in the topic to browse through the pages, change the page number in the URL.

Spring 2004 Pre-Season:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason3.htm

Spring 2004 Contest:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats3.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats4.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats5.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats6.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats7.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats8.htm

MMXcalibur's Prophet Sites:
http://prophetchallenge.hyperboards2.com/index.cgi
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/

!yawA tsoP
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Seems to be a decent victory for Sonic today. I still can't see Ryu upsetting him.

Next exciting match: Jill V vs. Ryu H. Your thoughts?

Personally, I think Ryu's gonna win it by a few thousand. I really hope he does.
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TheRye pwned me so badly during the Ness/Jak match that I wont' be able to sit for a week.

Jill and Ryu will beat Sonic
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Megaman winner of SC2K4

Ryu will win. The whole RE on GC thing hasn't been as big as it used to be. Jill has grown weaker.
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Check out the Hawk Board.
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=2072

Discussions getting cray-zay? What have I missed?
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Reggie: Kicking ass and taking names since E3 2004.
Nominate Kapp'n (Animal Crossing) for SC2K5!

Ryu's got that no prob.

On another note, the 3 seeds are doing very well in this Contest so far....strange.
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Mega Man vs. Jim - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Sonic vs. Terry - Bracket: Sonic - Vote: Sonic (23/24)

Well, we just had a recent surge of discussion about Sonic, Ryu, and Samus in the last topic.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Get well soon Ulti.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Ah, I see...
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Reggie: Kicking ass and taking names since E3 2004.
Nominate Kapp'n (Animal Crossing) for SC2K5!

I like it when these aren't made by Ulti... It's got it's thing.
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I chose the road less traveled -- now where the heck am I?
A Picture Is Worth 1,000 Words, But It Uses Up a Thousand Times the Memory

The strength of the 3 Seeds has surprised me, but then again, they do have weak opponents.

However, I believe all of the 3 seeds to be legitimate 3 seeds, except for Ryu H.

1. Ryu H had his name on the nomination page.
2. 4 day nominations made sure only regulars nominated, so all the X-Box regulars would've made their nominations heard, without having casual nominations to balance it out.

Honestly I can't see how Ryu H could have gotten as many legitimate nominations as Crono, Auron, or Master Chief.
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TheRye pwned me so badly during the Ness/Jak match that I wont' be able to sit for a week.

How does everyone think Joe-Tails will go? I think the Viewtiful one will take it 55-45%.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I'll say around 53-54% for Joe.
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Reggie: Kicking ass and taking names since E3 2004.
Nominate Kapp'n (Animal Crossing) for SC2K5!

I think Tails will take it with 50.01%. That is what I want at least. Then it means Sonic may be weak and Ryu can still upset him.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

1. Ryu H had his name on the nomination page.

Then explain Ryu's drop in seeding despite his name being on the nomination page. This is absolutely ridiculous reasoning. What? Everyone sees his name on the page and they start thinking, "Whoa, I have to nominate this guy! His name's on the nomination page!"
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Tails winning only makes Sonic look stronger.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

tag
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See my writings at http://www.alexkaulfuss.com as the GrandioseGadfly
Fujin is the greatest character ever conceived by man.

Which is why I want it to be with 50.01%.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

I think Ryu had more nominations simply because he had a new game out recently that was well received...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

congrates we have now tied Pokeparty/P.I.N.K. for the most topics about 1 subject
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Summer 2004 Contest 21/24 Sonic vs. Terry

This topic will probably never die... We are going through one every two or three days, depending on the match.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

We'll kick their asses. This topic is on a roll.

Oh, and yeah, that reasoning for Ryu H's high seed is rediculous. In fact, I'd be willing to wager he got enough nominations to set him apart from Crono by quite a bit, it just so happens that Ceej knows Crono is strong and happens to want to set up a match with Mario.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

I want to see bracket hell to occur. We are talking Luigi over Yoshi, Crono over Link, Frog over MC, Tidus over MM, Sephiroth to take it all. Cauz if none of this fun stuff happens I am going to just keep kicking myself for taking Jak...
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...and it begins! 191/192 (stupid Ness) Next tough match: VIVI vs. Donkey Kong

Oh, and yeah, that reasoning for Ryu H's high seed is rediculous. In fact, I'd be willing to wager he got enough nominations to set him apart from Crono by quite a bit, it just so happens that Ceej knows Crono is strong and happens to want to set up a match with Mario.

WTF? You mean Ceej rigged the seeding in this year's contest? I never would have guessed.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 23/24, Next Winner: Sonic

What about Magus over Crono?
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I chose the road less traveled -- now where the heck am I?
A Picture Is Worth 1,000 Words, But It Uses Up a Thousand Times the Memory

Yeah, but if the first, second, and last one happen I still win.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

I just wanna see MC over Frog and Ryu over Sonic. That makes me a happy panda.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

2. 4 day nominations made sure only regulars nominated, so all the X-Box regulars would've made their nominations heard, without having casual nominations to balance it out.

And that doesn't apply to MC?
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BtT: 3:59.25 | HRC: 50,053.8 ft OV aaaargh
Crash.

Luigi over Yoshi

That's not farfetched at all. In fact, it will actually happen. The others won't, though, especially Tidus over Mega Man.
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Current Pick: Sonic; Current Vote: Terry (for HM); Points: 24/24
Henshin a go-go, baby!

Knuckles over Snake would be cool too.
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I chose the road less traveled -- now where the heck am I?
A Picture Is Worth 1,000 Words, But It Uses Up a Thousand Times the Memory

MAGUS OVER CRONO!

Hey... a guy can dream >_>
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BtT: 3:59.25 | HRC: 50,053.8 ft OV aaaargh
Crash.

Don't forget Squall over Cloud and Vivi over Sephiroth. Reverse SFF shall own FFVII.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

XD
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I chose the road less traveled -- now where the heck am I?
A Picture Is Worth 1,000 Words, But It Uses Up a Thousand Times the Memory

Zero over Megaman and Ganondorf over Link. Oh, and Bowser over Mario too.
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I chose the road less traveled -- now where the heck am I?
A Picture Is Worth 1,000 Words, But It Uses Up a Thousand Times the Memory

lol
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Summer 2004 Contest 21/24 Sonic vs. Terry

My Chaos Division, First Round:

Sonic
Ryu
VJ
Dante
Sora
Ryu H.
Fisher
Samus

Not really hard, is it? Oh, and Luigi will beat Yoshi.

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SC2k4: Rank: T2, Score: 23/24, Picked: Sonic, Voted: Sonic
Solstice (NES) World Record Holder

How does everyone think Joe-Tails will go? I think the Viewtiful one will take it 55-45%.

Around 56% for Joe.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

With all going well on Hayabusa vs. Jill and Joe vs. Tails (heh, who am I kidding? ;p) I'll have a perfect first round.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

We're forgetting Freeman over Fisher...

Maybe because it's not so possible?
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I chose the road less traveled -- now where the heck am I?
A Picture Is Worth 1,000 Words, But It Uses Up a Thousand Times the Memory

Don't forget Squall over Cloud and Vivi over Sephiroth. Reverse SFF shall own FFVII.

This man speaks the truth.

By the way, what picture do you think Ryu will get this year? He's gotten Alpha 3 art in the first round the last two years, but I'd like to see some SFIII art for a change.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Jeezus, this topic really exploded. The first 327 posts of the last topic were made over a little more than 3 days at an average of 4.5 posts per hour, or one post every 13 minutes 14 seconds, whereas the last 173 posts were made over the course of a little less than 2 and a half hours at an average of 72.4 posts per hour, or one post every 50 seconds!
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You play with your controller in one hand for 85% of the game. If that isn't a gaming experience, I don't know what is. -the jp, on FFX-2

He looks a lot older in SF3 art. Personally I like the SFA art better.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Not that he should use these, but they own:

http://img69.exs.cx/img69/6707/SF02-Cover4.jpg
http://img69.exs.cx/img69/8182/SF07-Cover3.jpg

From the Street Fighter comics.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Whoa, awesome pics.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Yes, the comic art IS awesome! *must remember to pick up Issue 9*

Who Cares?'s karma = the numbers in my username. *high-fives him*
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

A few more:

http://img52.exs.cx/img52/9261/SF03-Cover3.jpg
http://img52.exs.cx/img52/2884/SF06-Cover3.jpg
http://img52.exs.cx/img52/8561/SF04-Cover3.jpg
http://img52.exs.cx/img52/4606/SF01-Cover4.jpg
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Who Cares?'s karma = the numbers in my username. *high-fives him*

That'll never happen to me >:(
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BtT: 3:59.25 | HRC: 50,053.8 ft OV aaaargh
Crash.

And against Sonic, I so want this picture from last year:

http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=16&phid=47
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

It really doesn't matter that much what pic Ceej uses, KOS-MOS has the pic advantage anyway.

TJF will beat them all.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

From: Janus5000 | Posted: 8/25/2004 7:38:32 PM | Message Detail
Who Cares?'s karma = the numbers in my username. *high-fives him*

That'll never happen to me >:(

lol.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Who Cares?'s karma = the numbers in my username. *high-fives him*

*Check's user profile* Heh, so it is! *returns high five*

*desperately looks around for somebody with 485 at the end of their user-name*

Oh, and I think Tails could win with as much as 53%, or lose with as little as 40%. Personally, I'm countin' on 52%.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

I'm sticking with this account from now till the end of Ryu vs KOS-MOS, or until I run out of posts.

Anyway, I'm hoping KOS-MOS can get a full body shot in her pic, to amplify her TJF as much as possible.
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You forget, I am not human. I am merely a weapon. You of all people should be well aware of that fact. -KOS-MOS *JonPen1416 alt*

Don't worry. KOS-MOS will get a full body picture. With the exception of Duke Milk'em, everyone else has.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Good Point'd
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You forget, I am not human. I am merely a weapon. You of all people should be well aware of that fact. -KOS-MOS *JonPen1416 alt*

No tthat it'll make a difference. KOS is gonna lose.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

From the previous topic:
I can copy-paste them and e-mail them to your hotmail address if you want, though it might be a real ****ing mess. Hotmail sucks.

Try copying and pasting the source of the page into a text document and and attaching it to the e-mail. If that doesn't work, a copy and paste of the Top 50 will be fine. I have the one after Round 24 so you don't need to send that one. Thanks in advance.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

Viewtiful Joe and Ryu are both getting around 60% over the next two matches. that's about all i have to say at the moment.

HENSHIN-A-GO-GO, BABY!!!!

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

I'd love to see Viewtiful Joe break 60% against Tails, but I just don't think he's that strong...yet. Wait until next year.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Hey Lucid, we have the same first round as well as Luigi beating Yoshi. What do you have for the rest? I have Crono over Mario, Samus over Sonic, and Cloud over Link in the finals. I'm wondering if you have the same bracket as I do.
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Current Pick: Sonic; Current Vote: Terry (for HM); Points: 24/24
Henshin a go-go, baby!

*tag*
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Actually, now that I think about it...If Ryu returns to his 2002 levels like Sonic did today, mid-60s against KOS-MOS actually wouldn't be out of the question.

I'm just saying that to remind myself not to be completely shocked if it happens.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Hey Lucid, we have the same first round as well as Luigi beating Yoshi. What do you have for the rest? I have Crono over Mario, Samus over Sonic, and Cloud over Link in the finals. I'm wondering if you have the same bracket as I do.

I have all of that, except I have Link over Cloud.

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SC2k4: Rank: T2, Score: 23/24, Picked: Sonic, Voted: Sonic
Solstice (NES) World Record Holder

I can see VJ being a force next year, but not this one. I do not think he's as strong as Alucard, hence my reasoning for Tails beating him.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

I think he's already going to place high this year and then comeback to deal in the damage even more next year.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

If Ryu returns to his 2002 levels

A happy man is me if that happens.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

then comeback to deal in the damage even more next year.

I hope KOS-MOS can do the same.
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You forget, I am not human. I am merely a weapon. You of all people should be well aware of that fact. -KOS-MOS *JonPen1416 alt*

KOS has a good chance of going up in 2k5. But for now she's doomed to a first round exit.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

HM, what would you predict would happen in a Alucard/VJ match, and a Auron/VJ match too?
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

KOS has a good chance of going up in 2k5. But for now she's doomed to a first round exit.

I'll live with that. ^_~
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You forget, I am not human. I am merely a weapon. You of all people should be well aware of that fact. -KOS-MOS *JonPen1416 alt*

Probably around a 51-52% victory for Alucard... this year.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

here's another question to wrap you're head around:

who would you have picked before the contest started in a match between Viewtiful Joe and Ryu Hayabusa?

personally, i woulda went with Viewtiful, but probably only because i like him more than Hayabusa. >_>

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

Joe.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I actually have Joe vs Hayabusa in a bracket I'm working on now trying to make as hard as possible. It's an 8-9 match.
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You forget, I am not human. I am merely a weapon. You of all people should be well aware of that fact. -KOS-MOS *JonPen1416 alt*

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

I'd probably pick Ryu to win.

But I'd vote Joe.
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The only reason this is here is because posts without sigs look ugly.

I'm getting tired of "Ryu Hayabusa got a 3 seed because his name was on the nomination page!". If that were true the other and better Ryu would have gotten better than a 8th seed. Plus, we all know CJayC tinkered with the brackets to get "interesting" matches, he admitted that in the topic he created after the bracket was unveiled. So it's possible that Ryu H was put into a bracket with where the number of nominations he got made him a 3rd seed. After taking a look at Chaos division, aside from Sonic and Samus everyone else really doesn't seem "strong" I find.

Ryu and Dante are the strongest character after Sonic & Samus, but won't take the division.

Tails and VJ I believe are equal in strength, but that's my view, this match will test both (Tails never had an opponent on the same level as him).

Ratchet, HK-47, Freeman and Lara are all first round fodder, though HK-47 might surprise if Sora is weaker than we all think.

Sora is weak, yes there was the SFF match against Aeris last year but KH underperformed BIG in the Spring. So I don't see him doing very well, he'll struggle against HK-47 but pull off the win, but barely.

Jill and Sam might show big improvements in strength, but Jill will lose to the ninja while Sam's victory might not be trumpeted because his opponent was Freeman.

That's how I view the division, VJ/Tails will be a nail-biter but I honestly believe Jill will lose to Ryu H.
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Contest Stats: 22/24 Next Pick: Sonic
Today's subliminal thought is:

Joe. I'll probably rank him in the Knuckles group
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Summer 2004 Contest 21/24 Sonic vs. Terry

Sora isn't as weak as you're making him out to be. I'd actually put him on a level above fodder. Kingdom Hearts isn't weak either. Losing to a top-10 game in StarCraft 53-47 still makes it strong. We really just overestimated it.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I'm referring to the Kingdom Heart/Soul Caliber match, which had every expert saying KH has this one in the bag, because of the Square fanbase overpowering the results (SC doesn't have a fanbase as large as Square's). Then the voting begins and KH damn near loses, unable to keep a lead at times.
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Contest Stats: 22/24 Next Pick: Sonic
Today's subliminal thought is:

Which shows just how much we under-estimated Soul Calibur, too.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

First, I'd take Ryu H to beat Joe. I think Ryu H is genuinely one of the 5 strongest characters in the division.

"which had every expert saying KH has this one in the bag,"

Not I. I actually flip-flopped on that not long before closing time.

And over all it's not like we highly overrated KH, we highly underestimated everything else in its four-pack. It's in the top quarter of the bracket, a 4 or 5 seed if it was done by actual strength, and while we didn't expect SC and SC to be that strong it doens't by any means make KH weak.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Heh heh...*blushes at the remembrance of picking Kingdom Hearts over Metroid Prime in the Sweet Sixteen*

Also, I'd take Hayabusa to beat the Viewtiful one as well, at least this year.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

*cue Ryu's theme*

Despite how tomorrow's match isn't going to be close I'm looking forward to it.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

KOS has a good chance of going up in 2k5. But for now she's doomed to a first round exit.

She has no chance:

Ryu Round 1 Opponent 2002: CATS
Cloud Round 1 Opponent 2003: CATS

Ryu Round 1 Opponent 2003: Duke Nukem
Cloud Round 1 Opponent 2004: Duke Nukem

Ryu Round 1 Opponent 2004: KOS-MOS

Notice a pattern ^_~?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

"*blushes at the remembrance of picking Kingdom Hearts over Metroid Prime in the Sweet Sixteen*"

Yeah, well, I took Metroid Prime over Kingdom Hearts.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

a 4 or 5 seed if it was done by actual strength

Wouldn't it be a 7, behind GTAVC, FFX, Halo, WW, SC and SSBM?
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BtT: 3:59.25 | HRC: 50,053.8 ft OV aaaargh
Crash.

She has no chance:

Ryu Round 1 Opponent 2002: CATS
Cloud Round 1 Opponent 2003: CATS

Ryu Round 1 Opponent 2003: Duke Nukem
Cloud Round 1 Opponent 2004: Duke Nukem

Ryu Round 1 Opponent 2004: KOS-MOS

Oh noes!

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You forget, I am not human. I am merely a weapon. You of all people should be well aware of that fact. -KOS-MOS *JonPen1416 alt*

Wouldn't it be a 7, behind GTAVC, FFX, Halo, WW, SC and SSBM?

I think he meant by the whole bracket
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Summer 2004 Contest 21/24 Sonic vs. Terry

"Wouldn't it be a 7, behind GTAVC, FFX, Halo, WW, SC and SSBM?"

If you adjust for the 1200 some votes that were cheated in favor of starcraft but not removed AND SFF adjustment KH is still very easily in the top 20. Accounting for neither KH is 13, accounting for just SFF it's 15. At worst KH still easily takes 19th, not matter how you toy with the number (and it does take some moderately serious twisting to drop it that low).

Point at hand, KH would easily get a 4th seed in a bracket based on actual performance.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Ah, yes, I was talking about an actual bracket based on real strength, in its division it barely makes the top half... but why in the world would I condone such a bracket unless faced with something far, far worse?
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

She has no chance:

Ryu Round 1 Opponent 2002: CATS
Cloud Round 1 Opponent 2003: CATS

Ryu Round 1 Opponent 2003: Duke Nukem
Cloud Round 1 Opponent 2004: Duke Nukem

Ryu Round 1 Opponent 2004: KOS-MOS

Notice a pattern ^_~?

Does that mean Cloud will face Ryu first round next time? Damn...
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

No, that means KOS-MOS is doomed. Of course, Mega Man also has the habit of banishing his first and second round opponents from the contest forever.

Both of those will change next year.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

O_o

No, he'll face Ryu's first round opponent from this contest, according to past contests. I can't imagine KOS-MOS being a 16 seed though, so I think the curse that Ryu's first round opponents receive is ending ^_^.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I was kidding =P
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Damn you people and your sarcasm ^_~.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Leonhart was being sarcastic???
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Ah, sorry, thought you were just talking about the one division... yeah KH pwnz =/
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BtT: 3:59.25 | HRC: 50,053.8 ft OV aaaargh
Crash.

No, that means KOS-MOS is doomed. Of course, Mega Man also has the habit of banishing his first and second round opponents from the contest forever.

Both of those will change next year.

Link has a habit similar to Mega Man's... course that won't happen either, as snubbing CATS = Instant suicides.
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BtT: 3:59.25 | HRC: 50,053.8 ft OV aaaargh
Crash.

Oldest. Excuse. For Jill. Ever:

Jill may have gotten less votes then Luigi, since she isn't as popular, she didn't attract people to the poll. Though she still got higher then Luigi, and I'm positive that Luigi would beat Hayabusa. So Jill should win in a low scoring, but tight match.
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BIGPUN999 is all man, even in the bedroom *Tee Hee*
There you go you snot nosed punk!

So from what your saying the lower the vote total the better chance Jill has at winning

excellent
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Summer 2004 Contest 21/24 Sonic vs. Terry

I'm positive that Luigi would beat Hayabusa

I'm not. Either way it'll be close.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I would take Luigi to beat Jill this year, regardless of what happened last summer.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Jill seems to have some sort of maximum vote threshold of 37-38k. If the match tops 80k I don't think Ryu H has much to worry about.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Leonhart (from the last topic):
If he had just allowed the top 64 nomination getters into the contest in that order, the bracket would've likely been mostly Nintendo vs. Square. It might please a few people here, but it would irritate a lot more. You've already got enough people disgusted that a select few Nintendo and Square characters dominate the contest. You'd just add to that by having a bracket full of them.

Completely the opposite, actually. You might have some people very vocal about how angry they are that the whole bracket is almost all Nintendo and Square characters--but a lot more people would be happy about it.

This contest is all about having good, interesting matches. For the people on this site, nothing is better or more exciting than Nintendo vs. Square. If the bracket had a whole buncha' Nintendo vs. Square matches, at the expense of removing mid-level and fodder characters from other companies, vote totals would increase. You'd have some people mad about it, but overall, people would be more satisfied with the contest.

For instance, if you got rid of Tanner, Terry Bogard, JC Denton, Sly Cooper, Ratchet, Guybrush Threepwood, etc., and replaced them with Tifa, Barret, Red XIII, Cid Highwind, Kain Highwind, Shadow (FF6), Robo, Luca, Marle, Lavos, and a Goomba, Toad, a Koopa Troopa, Princess Ruto, Darunia, Epona, Saria, etc., vote totals would certainly go up (as compared to how they would be with the aforementioned jobbers).
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[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

My thoughts on Ryu vs. KOS-MOS: I think Ryu is more likely to underperform against KOS-MOS than overperform.

Sonic vs. Samus: Sonic has always had a great shot at Samus--for all the popular "upset picks", that one was always probably the best; even though in the general brackets, I'm guessing Sonic will be the favorite, it's the board brackets that tend to be the real competition (at least until a big upset does happen). I myself would've gone with Sonic over Samus, except for me hating Sonic when I was a kid.

IMNSHO the people who chose Ryu over Sonic as their upset ticket to Victoray~! would've been vastly better off choosing Sonic over Samus.
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SC2K4.com/Frog

I bet people would simply be ecstatic when Ryu, Megaman, Sonic, Shadow, Solid Snake, Dante and Jill got the shaft.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

I am happy with my picks of MC over Frog and Ryu over Sonic. Ryu still has a legitimate chance, until after tomorrow. Hopefully, tomorrow will solidify that chance.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

And that doesn't apply to MC?

It does, but Master Chief is more known than Ryu H is.
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TheRye pwned me so badly during the Ness/Jak match that I wont' be able to sit for a week.

"but Master Chief is more known than Ryu H is."

Proof?
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Master Chief is more known than Ryu H is.

I highly doubt most gamers would have a clue who you were talking about if you said "Master Chief". They would if they saw a pic or said "the Halo guy", but I don't think he has anything close to universal name recognition.
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SC2K4.com/Frog

"but Master Chief is more known than Ryu H is."

Proof?

Halo. 'Nuff said.
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TheRye pwned me so badly during the Ness/Jak match that I wont' be able to sit for a week.

I asked for proof, not conjecture. As The CN said, if you said "the Halo guy" or showed someone a picture it would mean a world of difference when compare to Master Chief. I knew who the friggin' Halo guy was just after the game came out, I didn't know he was called Master Chief until the 2k2 contest was well underway.

At this point, on this site, you're going to have to do a little more than say the word Halo to prove MC is more well known than a character that's been in at least half a dozen games (more, actually) and appeared on at least one console in each generation.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

No, they'd have no clue who Master Chief is. They'd obviously know Halo Guy though.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Man I wish we get the same bracket next year and watch at the difference.

Samus would probably be a huge shoo-in with Dante and VJ maybe being Sonic strength. HK-47 might have a better chance at Sora with another game under his belt.

And even then it's sketchy at best to say more people know Halo guy than Ninja guy. Hayabusa has been making appearances since back in the NES days and hasn't stopped at any point, really. His longest break between appearances was 3 years. He also has a very hot new game. He's bound to have nearly the same recognition here as the Chief.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

"HK-47 might have a better chance at Sora with another game under his belt."

Assuming he appears in KotOR2.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Man, this topic is running so fast it's definitely going to fail the urine tests.

Loads of good and pertinent stuff there, though. Besides, the stats topics are expendable.

What's the longest-running series of topics on this site, anyway? I know the SSBM HRC topic is at part 90, any bigger ones?
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 023/024 - Matches: 23/24 - Rank: 00128/33221 - Today: Sonic - Tomorrow: Ryu

"I know the SSBM HRC topic is at part 90"

Jesus, we have some work to do.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

For instance, if you got rid of Tanner, Terry Bogard, JC Denton, Sly Cooper, Ratchet, Guybrush Threepwood, etc., and replaced them with Tifa, Barret, Red XIII, Cid Highwind, Kain Highwind, Shadow (FF6), Robo, Luca, Marle, Lavos, and a Goomba, Toad, a Koopa Troopa, Princess Ruto, Darunia, Epona, Saria, etc., vote totals would certainly go up (as compared to how they would be with the aforementioned jobbers).

Agreed.
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The vote totals would go up, but it just wouldn't be as fun for the people who really pay attention to it. Variety is the spice of life, just like nutmeg is the spice of eggnog.
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I think it would be great. How would you call a match between Cain Highwind (I've been raised on J2E's FFIV) and Darunia? That's a lot more interesting than Gordon Freeman vs Sam Fischer.
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Current Pick: Sonic; Current Vote: Terry (for HM); Points: 24/24
Henshin a go-go, baby!

Variety is the spice of life

And we would still have variety. Just variety of a kind that people actually care about.
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DomaDragoon:
The vote totals would go up, but it just wouldn't be as fun for the people who really pay attention to it. Variety is the spice of life, just like nutmeg is the spice of eggnog.

See --> RPGuy:
I think it would be great. How would you call a match between Cain Highwind (I've been raised on J2E's FFIV) and Darunia? That's a lot more interesting than Gordon Freeman vs Sam Fischer.

Exactly...if you got rid of the jobbers and replaced them with strong characters (Final Fantasy VII characters would clearly be strong), excitement and debate in these topics would increase. As it is, there are only a handful of matches in this entire contest people are truly debating.
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SC2K4.com/Frog

To be blunt, the day the SC becomes Square/Nintendo only is the day I leave the GameFAQs boards for good. Yes, we need better than fodder characters, but there's no doubt in my mind that we could find some outside of the Big Two.
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Is creativename still archiving the old topics cause I haven't seen him post that he's missed one in a while, but I don't see any of the new ones on his web site.
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"You see, a woman who's best friend is a firearm really needs help. I little dinner,a little dancing, I think I can help you out." - Sly Cooper.

It'll never be all Square/Nintendo. As it is I think we may need to petition Ceej to up the cap to 12 or something just so that it can be kept interesting without tossing out already good characters. I have a sinking feeling deep in my heart that either Kefka or Vivi (or probably both) will be dropped in 2k5 so that new blood such as Serge can get in. Yeah, Serge deserves a shot, but if the cap knocks out a good character that'd suck.

Yes, I know, Kefka isn't a great performer, but if he's going to be bumped it needs to be someone from his own game.

But yeah, we'll always have some decent non N/S performers, which is why we don't really need the cap.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

DomaDragoon:
To be blunt, the day the SC becomes Square/Nintendo only is the day I leave the GameFAQs boards for good. Yes, we need better than fodder characters, but there's no doubt in my mind that we could find some outside of the Big Two.

Obviously nobody wants *all* Square vs. Nintendo, but most would prefer to see a lot more of it, and a lot less jobbers and mediocre performers cluttering up the bracket with obvious and/or disinteresting matches.

Yesmar:
Is creativename still archiving the old topics cause I haven't seen him post that he's missed one in a while, but I don't see any of the new ones on his web site.

I have parts 31, 32, 34, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, and 41 archived. Don't know when I'll get the chance to put them up though.
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SC2K4.com/Frog

Farewell 33 and 35...
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

I've put the latest pics up (thanks to MMX for pointing them out):

http://www.sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18&page=1
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SC2K4.com/Frog

HK-47 looks like some sorf of insect.

Tails' pic is very cute. Though Joe's pic seems to be pretty definitive for him.

Ryu Hayabusa's pic SUCKS ASS. There goes the Ninja factor. BAH!!!

Gordon Freeman might actually have the pic advantage for once--he looks a little nicer than Sam.

...and Link vs. Ganon just blew me away. Awesome picture.
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From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 8/25/2004 6:45:27 PM | Message Detail
I don't think you'd mind to much if I made this one since you, potentially, could not be here for a while and discussion seems to be going crazy right now. I don't think you'd mind to much anyway, right? =p

Considering I asked you personally to be the backup guy, why would I mind? =)
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

It's sad, but human-proportioned characters basically always suck in full body shots because the pics are so small.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Match XXIV: (2) Sephiroth vs. (15) Sly Review

Sephiroth beat Sly, 86.37% - 13.63%

Well this really wasn’t a match, but Sly did do better then I thought he would, but I would never thought that Sly would equal Ratchet, but like most said people said Sly is the only star in his game while Jak and Ratchet have Dextar and Clank. Doesn’t really matter, but Sephiroth does look forward to having two SFF matches before getting a rematch against Cloud. So it looks like Sephiroth is going to have a walk in the park until round 4.

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Summer 2004 Contest 21/24 Sonic vs. Terry

Match XXVI: (8) KOS-MOS vs. (9) Ryu Preview

Past Performances:

KOS-MOS: 2002

Did not attend
Ranked: N/A

KOS-MOS: 2003

Defeated Crash, 61.98% - 38.02%
Lost to Samus, 30.25% - 69.75%
Ranked: 36th

Ryu Hoshi: 2002

Defeated CATS, 80.79% - 19.21%
Lost to Samus, 42.15% - 57.85%
Ranked: 10th

Ryu Hoshi: 2003

Defeated Duke, 69.92% - 30.08%
Defeated Dante, 54.01% - 45.99%
Lost to Solid Snake, 42.74% - 57.26%
Ranked: 18th

Analysis:

KOS-MOS is from Xenogears. KOS-MOS was lucky enough last year to go up against a weak character, Crash. She then lost to Samus by a blowout she barley got 30%. Now she’s back and is probably one of the weakest division in the tournament to see if she could get lucky again to get to the second round. KOS-MOS is probably one of the strongest cult characters in this contest. Though KOS-MOS’s first match is getting a lot of hype, more hype then it deserve it looks like many people have thought that there could be an upset in this match.

Ryu is from the Street Fighter series. The only reason I’m using his last name is that there is someone else in the contest with Ryu’s first name and it would be easier to remember. Ryu is also very underseeded in this contest. It’s an insult to have Ryu seeded so low, but it’s an outrage to have someone who Ryu beat to be 5 seeds higher then he is. It looks like there will be no Sweet 16 appearance for Ryu this year. In 2002 he defeated the cult character CATS by a large margin, but lost to the underseeded Samus in round 2. In 2003 he handily beat Duke and had a hard time beating Dante, but he lost to Snake to about the same he lost to Samus. This year we have an over hyped match against KOS-MOS.

Well all I have to say that this match is very overhype. People are saying that this match is a tossup, but if you look at past polls we see that Ryu did much better against Samus then KOS-MOS did so that already gives Ryu the advantage. I would be very surprised if Ryu didn’t break 60% on KOS-MOS. Though there are also some people that say that Ryu has a very good chance of beating Sonic in round 2. Possible yah will it happen? Unless Ryu doubles KOS-MOS tomorrow then there is no reason to believe that.

This match isn’t going to be close, but it isn’t going to be a blowout either though. But there is one thing I might be testing on this match. As we saw today Sonic is beating Terry like he would’ve if this was his 2002 numbers. A lot of characters have gone back to there 2002 numbers, but this match will test if the WDF really exist. Sonic may have gone back up to his 2002 levels, but it could also mean that the King of Fighters series popularity is slowly getting less popular. So I guess if Ryu does double her there might not be a need to ring the upset alarm unless for some weird reason he breaks 70% or gets close.

Well this match may tell a lot about next round and if the WDF does really exist, but other then that this will probably be pretty boring match. Also for people that got say that the other Ryu got seeded so high because he was on the nomination page, and then explain to me why this Ryu didn’t get such a high seed. Well let’s hope tomorrow’s match will be more interesting.

Charmander’s Bracket: Ryu

Charmander’s Prediction: Ryu wins, 64.17% - 35.83%

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Summer 2004 Contest 21/24 Sonic vs. Terry

BTW Sonic is now below 81%
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Summer 2004 Contest 21/24 Sonic vs. Terry

Yeah, damn blue bastard deserves to be a lot lower, too.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

I was expecting 79% myself
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Summer 2004 Contest 21/24 Sonic vs. Terry

Eh.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

The rest of the match pics look cool.

I could have sworn I saw that Sora pic on something for Chain of Memories though.
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"You see, a woman who's best friend is a firearm really needs help. I little dinner,a little dancing, I think I can help you out." - Sly Cooper.

Speaking of that, does Sonic normally do this badly at night? He's gone down to 80.93%, which is .9% below his highest point. =/
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

This happens to the day favorite a lot.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Ah. It just seemed weird that an elite-level character would lose nearly a percentage point to a jobber late in the match =/.

But then, this is my first time seeing a Sonic match ^_^;.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Jobber?

*twitches*

Jobber?!?

*twitches again*

Give him one year... he'll be stronger than ever in 2k5.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Wow... the Gordon/Sam pic sucks.
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BtT: 3:59.25 | HRC: 50,053.8 ft OV aaaargh
Crash.

Jobber?

*twitches*

Jobber?!?

*twitches again*

Give him one year... he'll be stronger than ever in 2k5.

Sorry ^_^;. But hey, I voted for him ^_~. Terry's cool 8).
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

*Does a dance after seeing Hayabusa's non-ninja, fruity picture*
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BIGPUN999 is all man, even in the bedroom *Tee Hee*
There you go you snot nosed punk!

Of course Terry is cool, it's just sad that the general voting public sucks so bad.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Link looks absolutely kickass for his Round 2 Match Picture =D.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

It's getting really annoying hearing this pic is going to ruin character X. It just doesn't work that way.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Yah I love that pic too

also for Terry even by next year I don't see Terry getting any higher then Leader of the Jobbers or one step above them
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Summer 2004 Contest 21/24 Sonic vs. Terry

One step above is enough for me.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

I'm not saying Jill is great and the picture ruined Hayabusa. I'm saying that because of his picture, he doesn't get "The ninja" look people hoped for.
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BIGPUN999 is all man, even in the bedroom *Tee Hee*
There you go you snot nosed punk!

yup if you wanted a Ninja see Strider's Round 2 pic
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Summer 2004 Contest 21/24 Sonic vs. Terry

Strider shoulda been in this year...
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

What game was Strider from? (I kinda suck)
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BtT: 3:59.25 | HRC: 50,053.8 ft OV aaaargh
Crash.

What game was Strider from?

I think he's from the Strider series
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Summer 2004 Contest 21/24 Sonic vs. Terry

looks like Sonic will end between .8 and .85
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Summer 2004 Contest 21/24 Sonic vs. Terry

He probably won't drop any more... But these vote totals are less than admirable, especially considering that the average going into this match was 81,240 votes per match
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

How would you call a match between Cain Highwind (I've been raised on J2E's FFIV) and Darunia?

The world explodes because both characters suck.
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Well, when the parents are away... brother and sister can play..

I got vote #30
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BtT: 3:59.25 | HRC: 50,053.8 ft OV aaaargh
Crash.

Let's hope for a good performance by KOS-MOS. Above 40%!

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SC2k4: Rank: T2, Score: 24/25, Picked: Ryu, Voted: KOS-MOS
Solstice (NES) World Record Holder

Let's hope for a good performance by KOS-MOS. Above 40%!

Hear ye. Go KOS-MOS!

It sucks seeing one of the contets's females leave... jeez, people, we only have 4, let her stay some more!
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Well, when the parents are away... brother and sister can play..

5 min. ago it was 55/45 now it's 60/40 looks like the board heavily likes KOS-MOS
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Summer 2004 Contest 22/25 Ryu vs. KOS-MOS

If the board REALLY liked her she would have been winning =D
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The only reason this is here is because posts without sigs look ugly.

Hmm... Wonder if it will stay at 60-40 into the day vote?
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Hmph.

That 55/45 performance was... disconcerting. Well it is 60.60 right now, and will probably change by the time I'm done typing this, so I'm a bit happier.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

That 55/45 performance was... disconcerting.

Like Kefka's early lead?
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Well, when the parents are away... brother and sister can play..

I find it kind of sickening that more people thought that Sephy would lose to Sly than thought Terry would beat Sonic. Joke brackets be darned, that's just not right.
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It seems to have settled in the general range of 60-61 for Ryu. Respectable, to be sure, but not anything that will beat Sonic. He'll have to hope for a huge boost in the day vote.
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Hmph.

Like Kefka's early lead?

No, he had the lead for over an hour, and I knew he couldn't win. It was just cool as hell seeing him lead for an hour.

But I made the mistake of putting Ryu over Sonic in my bracket. I forgot to change it back before going on vacation =(. So I was hoping for a very good performance from Ryu, and 55/45 would've been disappointing >_<.

I know it was the board vote, but when I voted for Ryu, he had 72%..
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Joke brackets be darned, that's just not right.

More FF haters did a favorites bracket this time?

Don't look at me, I had Sephy winning his match in my favorites bracket. And then losing to DK.
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Well, when the parents are away... brother and sister can play..

Ryu's climbing pretty fast.

Nearing 63% already.
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The only reason this is here is because posts without sigs look ugly.

Like Street Fighter 2? XD
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Well, when the parents are away... brother and sister can play..

If Ryu breaks 65% then we should throw the WDF out the window and just say that for some reason they just all dropped for a year
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Summer 2004 Contest 22/25 Ryu vs. KOS-MOS

Or KOS-MOS got weaker.

Or Ryu got stronger.

Or I am in need to stop being so damn sarcastic.
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Well, when the parents are away... brother and sister can play..

This steady gain is looking good for SOME people who have Ryu>Sonic.

Like me.

And me.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

And Delusional Mario.

Er, Heroic Mario.

Oh, wait at the last second he came to his senses and let Sonic winning that match.
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Well, when the parents are away... brother and sister can play..

At 65%+, I'll start to have a little bit of hope again =/.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

It's Kain Highwind for starters, and he doesn't suck.

Oh, and I figured out what's wrong with me. I've had tonsilitis for well over a year now, but thanks to some dumbassed doctors and an even dumber ER around where I live, no one wants to take my tonsils out. Forget the fact that my right tonsil is swollen so badly that it covers half my throat and impedes my beathing, and forget the fact that it bleeds on a regular basis on top of releasing these stupid little smelly sulfer/bacteria white things on a regular basis. It's gotten so bad that the entire right side of my body hurts from my head to my waist, and it's at its worst in my chest, plus I periodically have this pounding that I can feel from my chest to my throat. Now add all that on top of the migranes/nausea I've had over the last few days, and there's your problem. But of course I'm not insured, so I have nothing I can do besides sucking down Ibupofin and holding out until I can get tonsil/adnoid surgery. Oh well.

And perdevious, what did I ever do to you? You're happy because someone else besides me got to make the latest topic? Find some better priorities.

Anyway, I'll be fine, though not for a while. There will be less of me, so in case I'm not here to make the new topics, I'd like for HM and Chichiri to be the backup guys. They already have been for awhile, but I've never actually needed to worry about it until now. I'll make the topics at 400 posts when I can, but if one of you sees that I haven't posted in awhile and we're nearing the end of the topic, feel free to step in. I'm happy HM did it last night, because I was in bed from 2PM - 12 AM and couldn't see much of what was happening.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

It's Kain Highwind for starters, and he doesn't suck.

Cain is also acceptable. Of course, you've got to have the Highwind, it's the second-most used name in the FF series (Go, Cid, Kain, and Alexander!)

And suckitude is a matter of opinion. He's not the greatest fighter, that's for sure.
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And suckitude is a matter of opinion. He's not the greatest fighter, that's for sure.

I'm going to pretend that I didn't read that. Unless you're going to use RPGDL data in your argument, in which case I'm intrigued.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

I'm re-posting my above comment with my man account, to see if you get the joke this time:

How would you call a match between Cain Highwind (I've been raised on J2E's FFIV) and Darunia?

The world explodes because both characters suck.

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Because how could I not do this forbidden thing, when it feels so good!

Does Ryu have a time of day he does best, like how Nintendo characters do best during the day, Square characters at night, etc.?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Unless you're going to use RPGDL data in your argument, in which case I'm intrigued.

It'd be best if you just went there and let people give their explanations. The FF IV stat topic should explain my reasoning (although I've got a higher opinion of Kain than most of the others). Suffice it to say that Kain gets outdamaged, per turn, by everyone except Yang, Tellah, Cid, and Edward.
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Ryu's doing pretty well. I'm guessing he'll get the day vote too, KOS-MOS being more of an obscure character. So he might end up over 65%.

Though I still highly doubt that Ryu will pose any sort of real threat to Sonic.
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Data for all matches - http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php
SC2K4.com/Frog

remember, ryu>sonic fans were crying for TWO things. ryu doubling kos-mos (high 66%) and terry taking between 20 and 30% of the votes.

The first didn't happen (sonic did better than those had hoped for), and ryu has a LOT of making up to do for that. I'd say without closer to 70%, Ryu is meat next round.

Anybody getting excited for tomorrow, Joe vs Tails? All I'm excited for is to see how many poor souls lose perfect brackets with a Tails pick.
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Score: 25/25 Leaderboard: 27
Upcoming picks: Sonic, Ryu, Viewtful Joe, Dante

This. Kicks. Ass.

Ryu is at 63% with the day vote to look forward too? Oh hell yes.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Top 10 Biggest Blowouts (difference in percentage)

1) 88.60% - Solid Snake over Tanner
2) 75.66% - Link over CATS
3) 72.74% - Sephiroth over Sly Cooper
4) 67.08% - Mario over J.C. Denton
5) 65.98% - Bowser over Guybrush Threepwood
6) 65.96% - Megaman over Eartworm Jim
7) 62.08% - Magus over Luca Blight
8) 61.68% - Sonic the Hedgehog over Terry Bogard
9) 60.38% - Cloud over Duke Milk'em
10) 55.98% - Crono over Conker

Top 10 Biggest Vote Gaps (difference in votes)

1) 69759 - Solid Snake over Tanner
2) 65362 - Sephiroth over Sly Cooper
3) 62319 - Link over CATS
4) 55813 - Megaman over Earthworm Jim
5) 53705 - Cloud over Duke Milk'em
6) 52337 - Mario over J.C. Denton
7) 49299 - Sonic the Hedgehog over Terry Bogard
8) 49079 - Bowser over Guybrush Threepwood
9) 44770 - Crono over Conker
10) 43761 - Magus over Luca Blight

Top 10 Closest Matches (difference in percentage)

1) 0.10% - Frog over Liquid Snake
2) 1.62% - Tidus over Shadow the Hedgehog
3) 10.16% - Ness over Jak
4) 12.94% - Vivi over Donkey Kong
5) 14.32% - Ganondorf over Alucard
6) 14.92% - Knuckles over Kefka
7) 20.46% - Vyse over Laharl
8) 23.92% - Tommy Vercetti over Max Payne
9) 29.30% - Kirby over Kain
10) 29.50% - Squall over Bomberman

Top 10 Smallest Vote Gaps (difference in votes)

1) 93 - Frog over Liquid Snake
2) 1546 - Tidus over Shadow the Hedgehog
3) 7397 - Ness over Jak
4) 11105 - Vivi over Donkey Kong
5) 12358 - Knuckles over Kefka
6) 12533 - Ganondorf over Alucard
7) 14072 - Vyse over Laharl
8) 18618 - Tommy Vercetti over Max Payne
9) 23576 - Kirby over Kain
10) 23943 - Squall over Bomberman

Top 10 Most Popular Polls (by vote totals)

1) 95122 - Tidus vs. Shadow the Hedgehog
2) 90064 - Auron vs. Scorpion
3) 89848 - Sephiroth vs. Sly Cooper
4) 88953 - Cloud vs. Duke Milk'em
5) 87733 - Frog vs. Liquid Snake
6) 87557 - Ganondorf vs. Alucard
7) 85781 - Vivi vs. Donkey Kong
8) 84625 - Megaman vs. Earthworm Jim
9) 82798 - Kefka vs. Knuckles
10) 82369 - Link vs. CATS

Top 10 Least Popular Polls (by vote totals)

1) 68808 - Vyse vs. Laharl
2) 70495 - Magus vs. Luca Blight
3) 72863 - Ness vs. Jak
4) 74383 - Bowser vs. Guybrush Threepwood
5) 75307 - Luigi vs. Pac-Man
6) 77021 - Master Cheif vs. Crash Bandicoot
7) 77860 - Tommy Vercetti vs. Max Payne
8) 78031 - Mario vs. J.C. Denton
9) 78608 - Yoshi vs. Ryo Hazuki
10) 78743 - Solid Snake over Tanner

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

Top 10 Highest Individual Votes

1) 77605 - Sephiroth
2) 74251 - Solid Snake
3) 72344 - Link
4) 71329 - Cloud
5) 70219 - Megaman
6) 65184 - Mario
7) 64615 - Sonic the Hedgehog
8) 62375 - Crono
9) 61731 - Bowser
10) 60057 - Yoshi

Top 10 Lowest Individual Votes

1) 4492 - Tanner
2) 10025 - CATS
3) 12243 - Sly Cooper
4) 12652 - Guybrush Threepwood
5) 12847 - J.C. Denton
6) 13367 - Luca Blight
7) 14406 - Earthworm Jim
8) 15316 - Terry Bogard
9) 17605 - Conker
10) 17624 - Duke Milk'em

Top 10 Most Impressive Losers (by votes)

1) 46788 - Shadow the Hedgehog
2) 43820 - Liquid Snake
3) 37512 - Alucard
4) 37338 - Donkey Kong
5) 35220 - Lettuce Kefka
6) 32733 - Jak
7) 31660 - Scorpion
8) 29621 - Max Payne
9) 28597 - Bomberman
10) 28436 - Kain

Top 10 Least Impressive Winners (by votes)

1) 40130 - Ness
2) 41440 - Vyse
3) 43913 - Frog
4) 47578 - Knuckles
5) 48239 - Tommy Vercetti
6) 48334 - Tidus
7) 48443 - Vivi
8) 50045 - Ganondorf
9) 51008 - Luigi
10) 52012 - Kirby

Top 10 Easiest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner)

1) 98.79% - Link over CATS
2) 98.28% - Mario over J.C. Denton
3) 97.97% - Cloud over Duke Milk'em
4) 97.47% - Megaman over Earthworm Jim
4) 97.47% - Sonic the Hedgehog over Terry Bogard
6) 97.37% - Sephiroth over Sly Cooper
7) 97.27% - Solid Snake over Tanner
8) 95.00% - Bowser over Guybrush Threepwood
9) 93.43% - Crono over Conker
10) 90.45% - Magus over Luca Blight

Top 10 Hardest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner)

1) 35.13% - Vivi over Donkey Kong
2) 43.05% - Knuckles over Kefka
3) 44.33% - Frog over Liquid Snake
4) 54.16% - Ness over Jak
5) 63.02% - Ganondorf over Alucard
6) 66.71% - Vyse over Laharl
7) 68.69% - Luigi over Pac-Man
8) 70.06% - Tidus over Shadow the Hedgehog
9) 70.14% - Auron over Scorpion
10) 74.21% - Kirby over Kain

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

What's up with all of these 97.X7 prediction percentages?
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

random thoughts:

yeesh. we already have ten matches that were predicted by over 90%. and we still have Dante vs. Ratchet and Samus vs. Lara, which could break 90%.

also, it looks like Ryu was losing the day vote. at least, he was for a while. but isn't Street Fighter absolutely huge in Europe?

oh, and after looking at the match pics, i am very worried about Hayabusa. he looks very lame compared to his ninja pics. and he isn't exactly a household name. in a match where not many people care about either character, Hayabusa's lame pic could give Jill the edge.

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

What's up with all of these 97.X7 prediction percentages?

lol, i thought the same thing, Ulti. heck, Megaman and Sonic even managed to tie each other with a 97.x7 percentage.

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

So, from what I hear Ryu is losing the day vote. Not surprising, considering the way SF2 led SMRPG then fell apart when the kiddies woke up.

My comments on the new pics:

- Knuckles turns out to be the only Sonic character who didn't get his SH model. Guess CJay wanted to counter the horribleness of Lettuce Kefka a bit.
- I personally like Tails' pic better than Joe's.
- Dante in a handicap match? Take that Ertyu!
- That Sora pic is leaps and bounds ahead of last year's.
- No ninja? Damn, three points down the toilet.
- Look at Gordon! He looks like he's about to break down and cry!
- <3 Prime Samus.
- Link/Ganondorf... w00t!
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 023/024 - Matches: 23/24 - Rank: 00128/33221 - Today: Sonic - Tomorrow: Ryu

A question for all of you: who do you think would win in a match between Ryu Hayabusa and HK-47, and by how much? Keep in mind that KotOR sold much better than Ninja Gaiden did.

Also, an interesting point: if HK was as strong as KOS-MOS, he'd get 52% on Sora. Seems likely enough to me.

A question for all of you: who do you think would win in a match between Ryu Hayabusa and HK-47, and by how much? Keep in mind that KotOR sold much better than Ninja Gaiden did.

Ryu.H would win. The only way he could lose is if HK-47 could beat Sora or Sora beat Ryu.H...the former has no chance of happening.


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And the perfects do not budge for the 2nd straight today...

Today some will fall...I say 20-25 will.

Satirical commentary returns in 6 days :)
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Steve Illumina: Official Satirical Commentator of SC2K4
Perfects to Fall: 127 SC2K4: 24/26 (Go Joe!)

Go Joe..
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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

Score - Brackets - % Right
24 --- 127 ------ 100
23 --- 877 ------ 99.65792474
22 --- 2251 ----- 99.5113283
21 --- 4046 ----- 99.15966387
20 --- 5288 ----- 99.1301059
19 --- 5838 ----- 98.50976362
18 --- 5159 ----- 98.06163985
17 --- 3977 ----- 97.00779482
16 --- 2585 ----- 96.6344294
15 --- 1473 ----- 94.84046164
14 --- 756 ------ 92.98941799
13 --- 399 ------ 93.73433584
12 --- 152 ------ 86.84210526
11 --- 72 ------- 86.11111111
10 --- 36 ------- 86.11111111
9 ---- 17 ------- 70.58823529
8 ---- 4 -------- 25
7 ---- 5 -------- 40
6 ---- 6 -------- 33.33333333
5 ---- 26 ------- 3.846153846
4 ---- 23 ------- 8.695652174
3 ---- 38 ------- 2.631578947
2 ---- 32 ------- 0
1 ---- 32 ------- 0
0 ---- 2 -------- 0

After losing perfects for each of the first 23 matches, all the perfects have remained perfect for the second match in a row. 3 of the 877 people who have missed one point picked Terry to beat Sonic. Both zeroes and the 64 ones and twos were perfect as well, but between the two extremes, a surprising number of people picked Terry (or for people going for low scores, a surprising number of them picked Sonic). As you've already figured out, nobody fell out of the top 50.
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You play with your controller in one hand for 85% of the game. If that isn't a gaming experience, I don't know what is. -the jp, on FFX-2

Hey, didn't notice it until now, but Cloudmania totally took over the top 50 since DK's loss.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 024/025 - Matches: 24/25 - Rank: 00128/33221 - Today: Ryu - Tomorrow: Joe

I noticed it. Apparently the people who are doing to best right now think Cloud'll win.

This really isn't that much more dominant than what Link had though; he had 23 to 27 of the spots for about 5 or 6 days.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

It's most likely those that support Vivi who inevitably will support Cloud in their brackets, the same as a lot of the Nintendites who chose DK probably chose Link to win it. It will probably balance out after all of the initial tough matches.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Dante will get the Spanish vote.

He's dancing flamenco!
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Well, when the parents are away... brother and sister can play..

What is so bad about Dante's picture. I like it for two reasons: it isn't the same recycled first round pic seen in the last two contests, and it looks cool to me.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

I have a fun game we can all play to pass the time... predict the perfect first rounders! Well, the number at least. With seven matches to go, we have 127 perfect brackets remaining.

I think that by the time we come to Link/Ganondorf, we will have 31 perfect brackets remaining.
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...and it begins! 191/192 (stupid Ness) Next tough match: V. JOE vs. Tails

Around 20-40 perfects should remain after Round 1.
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Tanner. The only guy Gordon can call a loser and not sound like a hypocrite. - Slowflake

SC2K4 FIRST DRAFT - PAGE 27 - (5) VIEWTIFUL JOE vs. (12) MILES "TAILS" PROWER

Disclaimer: This preview series may contain mildly offensive stuff, as well as SPOILERS, not only for the characters discussed, but other stuff as well.

This match stood out as a truly evil one to me before the contest even started. Joe is a total unknown in a contest environment. He can either bust or do great things. His game wasn't even out when last year's contest finished, but instead shortly after, so it would be the worst time for Joe to be in one of these contests. The novelty factor wore off after 10 months, and with only one game under his belt for the time being, Joe's potential still remains untapped.

Yes, a PS2 port came out no later than Tuesday. But the PS2 isn't exactly the console where such franchises can flourish. The Gamecube versions of Sonic Heroes and MMAC outsold the PS2's. Plus, Gamecube ownership is at 70% on GameFAQs, versus 74% for PS2. (And 37% for X-Box, for those keeping tabs.) So, one who's interested in Joe has likely played his game already. But all is not lost for the PS2 factor, as the people who are in the process of playing it are much more likely to vote for Joe. Besides, I wouldn't expect someone who owns a PS2 but not a Gamecube, like most people targeted by this port, to vote for Tails.

Besides, as shown by a few users lately, despite Capcom having a lot of representation in previous Summer Contests, only one entry failed to make the top 32 in both contests combined: Ken Masters in 2003. And not only did he make it in 2002, but he also ranked higher than Tails both times. So Capcom seems like the "silent force" behind Nintendo and Square, while Sega horribly fails outside the Sonic franchise.

The problem? Tails may have been on the receiving edge of constant anomalies. Auron's ridiculously high numbers against Scorpion imply massive amounts of SFF against Cloud, which result in a huge leap forward for Tails. But how is that possible? The consensus seems to be an anomaly created by Mario's victory over Cloud. Which seems plausible, as Auron's "boost" is eerily similar to the one Alucard got in 2002. So Tails can possibly be a midpacker. Can Joe do better? Some of the recent characters tend to do quite well, such as Dante, Vercetti or Master Chief.

Oh, almost forgot. Remember that endless rant last year on how Tails had no chance whatsoever against Auron? Well, the new chapter was written last winter with Sonic Heroes. The decent voice that really sounded like the script was read was dumped in the favor of a more natural tone, but with a voice that makes my ears bleed. On the plus side, Tails can fly again. And outside of Super Hard Mode, level 2/3 flying characters are scary strong.

I'm not even going to bother doing a prediction for this match. I don't believe Ulti when he says Joe's got it (though he was right on the money about Vyse). This is going to be hell, I can feel it.

NUMBERS OF INTEREST

SC2K3 extrapolated standings
41. Miles "Tails" Prower - 19.76%
DNE. Viewtiful Joe

Board Odds Project picks (119 brackets)
Viewtiful Joe - 83
Miles "Tails" Prower - 36

Board Odds Project point value
25. Viewtiful Joe - 111
35. Miles "Tails" Prower - 56

CONTEST TRIVIA

Among the characters that took part in all three Summer Contests so far, Tails is the stronger character to have never won a match.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 024/025 - Matches: 24/25 - Rank: 00128/33221 - Today: Ryu - Tomorrow: Joe

Let's have a fun game we can all play to pass the time... predict the perfect first rounders! Well, the number at least. With seven matches to go, we have 127 perfect brackets remaining.

Well if Jill wins 9
If Ryu H. wins 58
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Summer 2004 Contest 22/25 Ryu vs. KOS-MOS

Among the characters that took part in all three Summer Contests so far, Tails is the stronger character to have never won a match.

Interesting... but that would be a little more impressive if the other characters were not called CATS and Gordon Freeman...
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BtT: 3:59.25 | HRC: 50,053.8 ft OV aaaargh
Crash.

It appears that Ryu has been stuck at around 62.60 - 62.75 for awhile now. I was hoping for 63.5+ by now, but whatever =(.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Well, as good as I want ryu to do agaisnt Soninc I'm not sure I want him to win. First, it'd come as an absolute shock if he did because I still don't think he's got it... Second, while the blow may devestate much of my competition I'm afraid it may also hinder me enough to take me out of the running. I can't imagine how many people may have taken Ryu over Sonic...

Oh, by the way, lest you should all forget, Joe and Hayabusa are winning their matches, no doubt.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Tagged for later reference..

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"I just wanna protect the people I'm with. Doesn't matter whether I can or not. It's what I believe in."
-Zidane (Final Fantasy IX)

Those people with Ryu over Sonic make me wonder. It seems as if they are just looking for an upset to put in their bracket, and/or are especially pro-Ryu or anti-Sonic. Being biased in a toss-up match like Vivi vs DK is ok, but Ryu vs Sonic is not a match to be biased in.

Let's try it this way. Everyone respects Magus and Ganondorf, even if they don't respect Sonic. Magus is on Sonic's level. Would you put Ryu over Magus? I would doubt it. Or Ganondorf. Would you put Magus over Ganondorf?

I'm with creativename here:IMNSHO the people who chose Ryu over Sonic as their upset ticket to Victoray~! would've been vastly better off choosing Sonic over Samus.
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You forget, I am not human. I am merely a weapon. You of all people should be well aware of that fact. -KOS-MOS *JonPen1416 alt*

Would you put Magus over Ganondorf?

Umm, yeah, considering that he's beaten Ganon once before...

~_~
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

TYPO'D due to having to get up too early today.

I meant Ganondorf over Sonic.
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You forget, I am not human. I am merely a weapon. You of all people should be well aware of that fact. -KOS-MOS *JonPen1416 alt*

You mean Ryu over Ganondorf -_-
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BtT: 3:59.25 | HRC: 50,053.8 ft OV aaaargh
Crash.

I'm being self-pwned . . .

Yeah. Ryu over Ganondorf.
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You forget, I am not human. I am merely a weapon. You of all people should be well aware of that fact. -KOS-MOS *JonPen1416 alt*

Well Ryu is doing what I'm expecting so there's not much to talk about.

um what should we talk about?
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Summer 2004 Contest 22/25 Ryu vs. KOS-MOS

what should we talk about

How about the upcoming thrashing of Tails by Viewtiful Joe?
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Summer Contest Match 25 Sonic the Hedgehog vs. Terry Bogard
Status 23/25 Points: 020 Next: KOS-MOS vs. Ryu (SF)

Joe has that match I would rank him around Knuckles' group
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Summer 2004 Contest 22/25 Ryu vs. KOS-MOS

What game was Strider from? (I kinda suck)

Strider 1 and Strider 2, both great games from Capcom.

In light of today, I'd like to say that Ryu is doing just how I imagined he would be doing. This gives me confidence he'll still be giving Sonic the match I've been expecting.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Fine I'll talk to myself

Auron vs. Scorpion threw a lot things off, but even with my MvC theory Auron was only suppose to get 62% so I guess most of it probably came from Scorpion losing populairty so even if we factor the MvC theory Tails is only as strong as Sora and is just slightly stronger than Ken. I don't think Joe is as weak as them but I think this is going to be like Tidus vs. Shadow, the match maybe close, but we all know who the winner is, but the match won't be as close.
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Summer 2004 Contest 22/25 Ryu vs. KOS-MOS

And what is this about a bad Dante picture? It's something new and it looks cool.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Hayabusa also won't be losing because of that picture. I do like the Jill picture he used, it was the same one I used as well.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I think people are calling Ryu H.'s pic bad because they probably thought that the ninja factor will get him the win
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Summer 2004 Contest 22/25 Ryu vs. KOS-MOS

If those said people were relying on a picture, I feel for them.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

doesn't matter other then Link winning Jill is my biggest bracket upset that hasn't happen yet
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Summer 2004 Contest 22/25 Ryu vs. KOS-MOS

In light of today, I'd like to say that Ryu is doing just how I imagined he would be doing. This gives me confidence he'll still be giving Sonic the match I've been expecting.

Sonic overperforms against Terry, and Ryu does exactly what he's supposed to do, and yet even now it looks like it'll be a decent match? Sonic will win with 57-58%, if not approaching 60.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

School sucks...

Well, looks like you were right HM. Guess the Almighty Contest gods didn't want you to be wrong two days in a row.

And now about these new pics...

http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/sum04b27.jpg

Figured they use the Joe one. Looks very nice. Tails though...to cutsy for my taste. >.>

http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/sum04b28.jpg

Dante's isn't half bad, and yet neither is Ratchet's.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/sum04b29.jpg

Much better Sora pic from last years. HK's is meh, he looks weird in the pic.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/sum04b30.jpg

Heh, Ryu looks funny. Nice pose for him, while Jill's is nothing special.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/sum04b31.jpg

GFNW, well, he ties with Sam on this one. I don't like either too much.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/sum04b32.jpg

Very cool pic for Samus. Lovin those close-ups. Lara's is okay.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/sum04b33.jpg

Oh My God! Best pic I've seen for Link. Still rooting for Ganon though, but I got to give Link props for the great pic.
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Tommy vs. Max - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
KOS-MOS vs. Ryu - Bracket: Ryu - Vote: KOS-MOS (24/25)

And for the record, Ratchet's pic is awesome. Clank owns.

HK-47 and Hayabusa both look terrible.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Sonic overperforms against Terry, and Ryu does exactly what he's supposed to do, and yet even now it looks like it'll be a decent match? Sonic will win with 57-58%, if not approaching 60.

I still expect a match very similar to last year or even better from Ryu. At the very least I'm expecting 44% for Ryu, and it'd only be lower if Sonic returned to 2002 levels.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I think that the Link/Ganon fight is an attack of the eyebrows...I hate both. Link looks like a pissed of Michael Jackson and Ganon has a nose the size of my hand.
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Yuber lives in Pennslyvania...watching...

If Sonic has returned to 2002 levels while Ryu hasn't (which looks to be the case), the numbers should look very similar to Samus-Ryu 2 years ago, if not higher for Sonic because Ryu has dropped since then.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

What is so bad about Dante's picture.

People doesn't like Flamenco dancers? <<

Uuh.. I dunno. I liked it.

On topic: Hayabusa has the match won. i think it's official now: Unless people think you're a dude, being a female=Instant loss on GameFAQs. (Not Like KOS-MOS had chances or anything)

Unless you go against Gordon Freeman, another female, or are from FF7.
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Well, when the parents are away... brother and sister can play..

Overpermoning against Terry, not a surprise, I don't even see SNK machines anymore in the arcades... Poor Terry.
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Go back to your world of Nintendo where their idea of performing a special move is Down+A~Dark Elektro X

If Sonic has returned to 2002 levels while Ryu hasn't (which looks to be the case),

I wouldn't start saying he's returned to 2002 levels until you have absolute solid proof of such. Terry has the ability to slip, not place as high in SFF adjusted rankings, etc. The only way I'll believe that in full is when we see next round's match.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I remain confident that Ryu will dispatch Sonic with about 51% of the vote.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Chaos Division: Round 1 - Match 27 – (5)Viewtiful Joe vs. (12)Miles “Tails” Prower

Moltar’s Analysis

Joe
Game/Series Known From: Viewtiful Joe
Extrapolated Rank in 2002: N/A
Extrapolated Rank in 2003: N/A
Seed in 2002: N/A
Seed in 2003: N/A

Geez, talk about a huge push into the Contest. Joe in his first year scores a 5-seed and goes up against a Contest vet.

Tails
Game/Series Known From: Sonic Series
Extrapolated Rank in 2002: 28th
Extrapolated Rank in 2003: 41st
Seed in 2002: 11
Seed in 2003: 9
Lost in Round 1 to Alucard in 2002 and to Auron in Round 1 in 2003.

The weakest member of the Sonic Team is back, and *gasp* might actually make it out of Round 1 this time.

Another match that makes me want to cry. Joe vs Tails. Possibly overseeded Contest newb vs. weak, weak, Contest vet. Don’t we hate these matches? Anyway, a couple of things on each character.

Viewtiful Joe is a big hit on the Gamecube. Sure it might not have sold like hotcakes (mmmm....hotcakes), but a majority of the people who bought it, enjoyed it. So definitely expect to see Joe get their votes. Another thing he might have is the pic advantage. It might not work too well since Tails is a pretty well-known character, but a good pic can help against the toughest of opponents. There also isn’t too much VJ hate on GameFAQs, so that’s a good thing.

Now onto Sonic’s sidekick Tails. Tails has been in both of the previvous Summer Contests, so if people don’t know who Joe is, they can just easily vote for the more familiar character, Tails. Tails has also been in a lot more games, but recently, they have been lacking in quality, which has hurt the Sonic characters (most notably Sonic and to a lesser extent, Knuckles). Don’t count Tails out though, Tails almost beat Alucard in 2002 and got 35% on a FF character, so that isn’t too bad.

My final thoughts on this match? This is another match where I went with the Contest newbie over the Contest vet. Joe can do either 2 things in this Contest, overperform or underperform. If he overperforms, he beats Tails easily and goes into a tough and potentially close Round 2 match. If he underperforms, he either flops against Tails, or beats Tails by a little and falls easily in Round 2. I predict he will do an Option 2, subsection B. Underperforms and beats Tails by a bit.

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Joe will win.

Moltar’s Prediction is: Joe 54% - Tails 46%


Ulti’s Analysis

Well lookie here, another match featuring an underseeded Tails against an overseeded new member to the contest. Reminds me of Alucard vs Tails way back in 2002, and Viewtiful Joe has everything necessary to be the next Alucard of our contest. He stars in a game that didn't sell all that well, but received rave reviews all over the internet. The game also suffered from lack of production, just like Symphony of the Night. Unfortunately for Joe, Alucard stars in more games than just Symphony of the Night, so this match should be closer than Alucard vs Tails for the simple fact that Joe only has one game to draw from. Still, that one game was a recent hit that should have Joe well-known enough to take down the weak link of the Sonic team.

Ulti’s Bracket/Prediction - Joe/Joe with 51.88%
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KOS-MOS vs. Ryu - Bracket: Ryu - Vote: KOS-MOS (24/25)

Cena’s Analysis

This division is getting better and better! Of course, I can't even begin to think why people would have Tails winning this one. Joe is not overrated or overhyped by any board, so he won't pull a Kefka and lose the night vote. Plus, Tails' name is Miles. *waves the WTF flag* Why didn't they just keep his name Tails? Then he might have had a chance! Tails really doesn't have that much of a chance in this match, but hell, he could (and probably will) keep it close, if not intense throughout the whole day.

Cena's Vote: Tails

Cena's Prediction: Joe with 53% (I guess Tails will do better than 45% because of bracket votes)
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KOS-MOS vs. Ryu - Bracket: Ryu - Vote: KOS-MOS (24/25)

I have no problem believing it because we've already seen a few instances of characters returning to their 2002 levels. Sonic had no reason to drop as much as he did in 2003, so a change in the voting pool could've caused it. Now that this year's numbers resemble 2002 more than last year's, it's not that hard to see Sonic rising.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I have no problem believing it because we've already seen a few instances of characters returning to their 2002 levels.

Like I said, until I see some definite proof of such (next round) I'll hold off on fully believing that. With that said I'm not saying he couldn't have returned to those levels, but it's nothing guaranteed at this point.

Sonic had no reason to drop as much as he did in 2003, so a change in the voting pool could've caused it.

Well, on that same note Samus had no reason to make the fall from 2002 to 2003 either.

Now that this year's numbers resemble 2002 more than last year's, it's not that hard to see Sonic rising.

I never said he wouldn't or was incapable. I said it's nothing that you can sit here and guarantee me given the other possibilities that could not have affected Sonic. Terry falling is not farfetched.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

And we're arguing on what Ryu's percentage will be, this is getting a little... odd. I'm not even debating that Ryu would win. <<
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I am of the opinion that both Ryu AND KOS-MOS went up equally this year. That is why it seems like Ryu stayed the same. Yeah. That's what I think.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

I see Ulti winning this prediction again. But I predict it will be 52.3% or so.
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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

Well, on that same note Samus had no reason to make the fall from 2002 to 2003 either.

Thanks for backing me up. I expect Samus to return to her former level as well, making the rematch with Sonic well worth the price of admission.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

The falls of many characters were just crazy, Sonic and Samus alike.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

So then I can believe that Tidus and Shadow rose in the exact same proportion as well. Yeah, that makes Mega Man-Tidus look all the better. It's not likely to be true though.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Oh and perfect brackets need to fall today. I need to get up there on that leaderboard.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Yeah, that makes Mega Man-Tidus look all the better.

I can't wait to see how wrong you'll be here next week. ;)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Well, that last statement was more sarcastic than anything, though I'd love for it to be true. Tidus will still get mid-40s on Mega Man.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Not happening.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

You know what is happening though? Ryu beating Sonic. And everyone will be happy too, because everyone loves Ryu. At least, a lot of people in this topic do.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

It's a bigger lock than Ryu getting 45% on Sonic.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Well duh it is... Ryu is getting at least 5% better than 45% on Sonic...
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

I can't see Ryu being much weaker than Zero.
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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

The only characters that have fallen back to 2k2 levels so far have been fodder. Cloud and Seph, for instance, certainly didn't revert back to 2k2 levels. There's no reason for another elite, Sonic, to fall back, when all we've seen thus far is mainstream fodder characters shifting back.
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Current Pick: Ryu; Current Vote: Ryu; Points: 25/25
Henshin a go-go, baby!

I can't see Ryu being much weaker than Zero.

He's not much weaker than Zero. He'd be expected to get 52% on the Street Fighter last year.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Cloud's and Sephiroth's gains were not completely dependent on a change in the voting pool.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Capcom's really got the overlooked third place right after Nintendo and Square. They've got a strong set of characters.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

If Zero can only get 52% on Ryu, then Ryu will get 45% on Sonic, essentially.
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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

Essentially Ryu would easily get 45% on 2003 Sonic. If he faces 2002 Sonic, however, his performance will look very similar to what he did against Samus.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Plus, I'd have to say that a change in the voting pool causing some unexplained movements in the 2003 rankings makes a whole lot more sense than the WDF, which has Sephiroth overperforming in a direct matchup with Link as an explanation.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Sonic's got to win over Ryu. Even though the seeds are rigged, Sonic isn't in the #1 slot in the division for nothing.
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"Spira is full of death...only SIN is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly."- Auron

There's really no question about the end result of Sonic-Ryu now. The only way the upset was plausible was if Sonic had another big drop (like HM and Chichiri were hoping in pushing 30% for Terry) and Ryu himself rose and got around 65% on KOS-MOS. Neither happened.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Samus has a pathetic path to the Final Four. Lara Croft, Sam Fisher, Sora/Ryu/Jill/HK-47, Sonic. Essentially Crash-style opponent, Gordon-style opponent, Newbie/fodder, the weakest of the elite.
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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

Heh, her path to the Elite Eight might be extremely easy, but a win over Sonic is far from guaranteed.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

As far as I'm concerned it was guaranteed once the brackets were released.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Say what you want, but Sonic made things interesting again. And for someone who can somehow expect Mega Man to get a KH-like boost in order to win the Summer Contest, it absolutely baffles me that Sonic over Samus seems farfetched.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I wish it weren't guaranteed. But people are putting her at Mario's level now; what am I to say? I'd personally enjoy Mega Man, Mario, or Crono thrashing Samus a lot more than Samus proving that she has distanced herself from Sonic.
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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

And then getting pwnt by Cloud, needless to say.
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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

Samus looks far better in 2004 than she did in 2002 and I don't care for Sonic.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Plus, the only way he makes this "interesting" is if he returned to his 2002 level. Which, I might add, is not full proof.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I wish it weren't guaranteed. But people are putting her at Mario's level now;

Just for the record, even going by 2003 levels, Sonic is closer to Samus than she is to Mario.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Heroic Mario, always getting to the point of the matter.

I don't care for Sonic.
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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

I know there are five days left until the match but what are your views on Crono v Mario? Does Mario have any chance at all?

Okay here it is. Ryu will beat Sonic because the catalyst for his popularity boost isn't out yet. Street Fighter Anniversary Collection will introduce many-a-gamer to Ryu and his ultimate coolness. They will immediate delete any memories of Sonic and make room for Ryu, flock to gamefaqs, and vote for Ryu.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Five days? Sonny, try five weeks.
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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

Just for the record, even going by 2003 levels, Sonic is closer to Samus than she is to Mario.

I would love to see Sonic proving them wrong.

But... Link SFF'ed Samus badly. As shown by the Spring contest.
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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

Okay here it is. Ryu will beat Sonic because the catalyst for his popularity boost isn't out yet. Street Fighter Anniversary Collection will introduce many-a-gamer to Ryu and his ultimate coolness. They will immediate delete any memories of Sonic and make room for Ryu, flock to gamefaqs, and vote for Ryu.

And then a person with numbers in his username will win the tourney? Not a chance ;)
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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

Samus looks far better in 2004 than she did in 2002 and I don't care for Sonic.

As DMC2 showed for Dante, negative publicity is better than no publicity at all. Sonic Heroes and the Sonic Advance games are still out there for the blue blur. Metroid Prime won't distance her as much as you think.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Ryu will beat Sonic

Fisson Mailed...
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KOS-MOS vs. Ryu - Bracket: Ryu - Vote: KOS-MOS (24/25)

And back to Crono vs Mario, I see Crono winning anywhere from 0.01% to 2%.
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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

Oh my fission has not been mailed to anyone. My fission is right here, smiling at everyone else mailing away their fissions.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

As DMC2 showed for Dante, negative publicity is better than no publicity at all. Sonic Heroes and the Sonic Advance games are still out there for the blue blur. Metroid Prime won't distance her as much as you think.

She actually has been getting a good deal of new, great games recently. Last year she'd be expected to get 54% on Sonic, and at best I could see that being a little lower but it's become a distance.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

But Mario can't beat Crono by more than 1%.
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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

But... Link SFF'ed Samus badly. As shown by the Spring contest.

Characters =/= Games

Plus, I'd imagine that a lot of gamers probably had no idea who Samus Aran was until they played Smash Brothers. Nearly a decade without a single starring role will do that. Just ask Ness.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Characters =\Games

That may be true, but in Nintendo/Nintendo cases, very often it does. For example, you could say that Link is slightly stronger than Ocarina of Time, and Samus is about the combined strength of Metroid Prime and SSBM. And Mario is the strength of SMB3.
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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

And Mario is the strength of SMB3.

No, he's not. He's weaker.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

=_=

The point remains, Link could very likely have SFF'ed Samus.

Though I firmly believe that Mario would kick Samus' ass from here to Singapore.
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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

Yeah, Mario would beat Samus. There's no question about that.

Eh, the idea of Link getting SFF on Samus doesn't really bother me. It makes Luigi look better against Yoshi. However, Squall didn't perform like there was SFF.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

The new reason Mega Man is set to win the contest:

http://img31.exs.cx/img31/7503/MegaManController.jpg

The badassness of that new GameCube controller.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Oh and perfect brackets need to fall today. I need to get up there on that leaderboard.

I can guarantee that at least one perfect bracket will fall to today, and the person who is falling is currently numer one on the leaderboard. He made a topic about his mistake.

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Well if you look at Link vs. Mario and Link vs. Samus, unless your saying Samus > Mario, Samus actually did better then Mario did and Mario's SFF is only .7%
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Summer 2004 Contest 22/25 Ryu vs. KOS-MOS

I have a question for anyone who payed attention to all of yesterday's match. How much did Sonic gain in the day vote and how much did he lose in the night vote?
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

He lost around .65+.

And was around 77% for about 2.5 hours, which is when I think he first started to stabilize, and managed to peak at 81.53%.

And you are far too confident about Ryu beating Sonic =/. I wish hadn't done that =(.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Oh I was actually asking for Tails vs Joe tomorrow. And I'm not as confident as I am making it seem really. I am confident it will be close, but I am fairly worried that Ryu may lose V_V;
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Could Squall have decreased? Well... unfortunately, these questions are all wasted, including those of Ness and Auron, because this division is so predictable... it is too clear-cut who will win in these matches. A little increase or decrease hee or there doesn't do anything =(
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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

I am, however, confident that MC will take down Frog. That one I am not really worried about.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Well if you look at Link vs. Mario and Link vs. Samus, unless your saying Samus > Mario, Samus actually did better then Mario did and Mario's SFF is only .7%

That's because Samus has the female vote. It sucks, I know.

And also, **** 2002. This is 2004, Cloud is dominant, Samus >>> Sonic (much as I hate it), Mario should be pwning Samus, and Link has a free trip to the finals.
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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

Well at least I think I can keep a bracket for awhile into Round 2...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

See, even if I miss one of my upset specials, if I hit the other and get everything else, I still could place top 10.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

As long as your Final 4 and Championship matches are perfect ;).
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Indeed. Everyone must have this in order to place in the top 10:

Link
Mega Man
Cloud
Samus

Mega Man
Cloud

;)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I'm planning on winning, but I don't think I will. I have Link winning the tourney.
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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

And most importantly, as Heroic Mario failed to finalize, you must have Cloud as your winner. Even if he did miss one of the finalists and botch one of the matches, he knows that much.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Forgot to add "Mega Man" as the winner.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Heroic, that's the bracket that you want if you want to win in DELUSIONAL LAND!!!!! XDXDIPWNOMGWTFLOL!
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Does anyone know about how many votes Sonic had around this time??
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

I hope you and I are right, Heroic Mario. I also have MM as my bracket winner, but it's gonna be a tough road to the end.

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Vote Mega Man in the Summer 2004 Contest.
"Just wait. Norv or Spom from FFX56 will win." - Abominator

15:49:23 48180 10970 81.45% 18.55%

Obviously, the first number is Sonic and the second is Terry.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Thank you Mr. Leonhart.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Mega Man fans: What do you think of Zero?

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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

Protoman > Zero IMO
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Summer 2004 Contest 22/25 Ryu vs. KOS-MOS

I like Zero, but he's got nothin' on Protoman.

*whistles*
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Long time idol of mine, Zero is. He's one of the coolest and slickest VG characters there is, IMHO.

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Vote Mega Man in the Summer 2004 Contest.
"Just wait. Norv or Spom from FFX56 will win." - Abominator

*whistles*

It's all about Protoman.

And I stick by my statement from before the contest: I'll take the winner of Frog/Liquid over MC any day. I still think that that holds true.
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Current Pick: Ryu; Current Vote: Ryu; Points: 25/25
Henshin a go-go, baby!

Seriously LS can only be as weak as Felix and even that's to the extrem
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Summer 2004 Contest 22/25 Ryu vs. KOS-MOS

Mega Man fans: What do you think of Zero?

Zero is awesome. Both him and Proto Man rock.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Never did like Zero; I loudly and proudly voted for Protoman over Zero.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

I know most people here are confident about Joe over Tails...
But I am SO DAMN nervous!!! Joe is easily my favorite character and if he flops I'll cry! It could happen!
I'm also worried because I have him beating Dante... >_>
I can't stand the suspense...
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Current Score: 23/25
Today's Pick: Ryu

The Viewtiful One shall reign supreme over Tails tomorrow, but he won't beat Dante.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I'll be happy if he just gets past Tails -_-
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Current Score: 23/25
Today's Pick: Ryu

I'm countin' on Tails tomorrow; what does everyone expect the bracket-prediction's percentage would be if VJ/Tails won? I gotta think it's around 60-40 (or worse) in VJ's favor, but I think Tails will pull it out.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

The brackets in favor of Viewtiful Joe? No chance.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I doubt that brackets will go Joe's way. Most people don't know how pathetic Tails is.
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Current Pick: Ryu; Current Vote: Ryu; Points: 25/25
Henshin a go-go, baby!

With Knuckles being a 10-seed and having about 43% supporting him against Kefka, I doubt Tails is gonna get more support than that against VJ as a 12-seed.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

DK had 65% of the brackets winning despite being a 10 seed. The casual bracketeer will favor someone more mainstream.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Yeah, but most people think OMG FINAL FANTASY CHAR = INSTANT WIN!!!!1!1I. The casual bracket maker seems more likely to go with the vet than the newbie; see Vyse/Laharl, Vivi/DK, and even Ness/Jak.
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Current Pick: Ryu; Current Vote: Ryu; Points: 25/25
Henshin a go-go, baby!

They're also swayed by a higher seed a lot of the time.

Unless you got a big name like Snake behind you, with as big a seed disadvantage that Tails is at, I don't think he'll have more brackets favoring him.
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Tails has the Sonic label behind him. That's worth as much as having the Snake name.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

True, but two of those three who had the bracket-prediction advantage (not meaning that it won them votes, just to clarify) where higher seeds. Vivi/DK also featured a FF character, and look how low Vivi got.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

I don't think being the sidekick of Sonic is enough to warrant more bracket picking.

Vivi vs. Donkey Kong was friggin DONKEY KONG. A lot of people didn't even know who Vivi was and Donkey Kong is an icon.

And Frog Vs. Liquid Snake is Snake Vs. someone-who's-name-is-a-noun-for-a-boring-animal.

I don't think we've had a good indicator of lower seed being favored over higher seed that hasn't been corrupted in some way.
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I think that the brackets will show more tails predictions than for joe. However, that of the perfects, more will have joe.

And here are my rough (rounded to 5s) predictions on how the perfect brackets will play out

Today: 127
Ryu wins: 100
Joe wins: 60
Dante wins: 60
Sora wins: 55
Ryu wins: 40
Sam wins: 35
Samus wins: 35

Anyway, it'll be in the 30s, without something unexpected.
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Score: 24/24 Leaderboard: 27
Upcoming picks: Sonic, Ryu, Viewtful Joe, Dante

This is RPGFAQs and people don't know who Vivi and Frog are? That's news to me.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Not to mention that the 5v12 is the biggest seeding difference we've had for a possible upset so far.
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Forgot to add: Kefka/Knuckles and Vivi/DK were both 7/10-seed matches. Kefka was a favorite in his while Vivi was heavily under-estimated, even with the OMGFFCHARACTER factor.

To be fair, DK's more well-known than Knuckles.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Me included. Or Tidus, Zero, Protoman, Magus, Crono, Kefka *yawn* etc. Before this contest, I knew like 20 of the characters, but hey... I'm still perfect. Just read about them before I made my bracket :-D.

People come here for things other than RPG. I came from marshmallows perfect dark PA walkthrough to read, years ago.
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Score: 24/24 Leaderboard: 27
Upcoming picks: Sonic, Ryu, Viewtful Joe, Dante

I just meant that we got a lot of topics honestly clueless on who Vivi was.

You'll never see that with icons like Mario or Donkey Kong. Unless Luis Johnson is making topics.
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The only reason this is here is because posts without sigs look ugly.

I came from marshmallows perfect dark PA walkthrough to read, years ago.

You are a man of great taste, fellow PD fan.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Leonhart4, you've been saying some interesting things. I didn't know who Vivi was before I thought "heh, joke sub-Frog entry, DK = Instant Win" and had heard of Samus, actually beaten Super Metroid to be accurate, before I'd heard of Smash Brothers. Yes I do own a Cube. And yes, I am getting royally pwned in this contest. When Luigi wins you won't be laughing.
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Jon Thomson - today: Ryu, tomorrow: Viewtiful Joe - 20/25
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

I wouldn't be suprised if somebody already talked about this, but look at some of these prediction percentages:

Mega Man
Earthworm Jim 97.47%
Solid Snake
Tanner 97.27%
Cloud Strife
Duke Nukem 97.97%
Sephiroth
Sly Cooper 97.37%
25 Sonic the Hedgehog
Terry Bogard 97.47%

Crazy, isn't it? They are all in the 97% range and end in a 7! It's also funny that more brackets had Tanner winning than any of that other fodder.

KOS-MOS is doing pretty well, I suppose...well, doing some extrapolating and comparing Samus and Ryu to each other, and assuming KOS-MOS was the same both years, Samus beats Ryu with 60%.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

When Luigi wins you won't be laughing.

Actually, I will be.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

When Luigi wins you won't be laughing.

Actually, I will be.

I'll be dancing.
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Current Pick: Ryu; Current Vote: Ryu; Points: 25/25
Henshin a go-go, baby!

Ulti mentioned the 97.X7% thing. I didn't notice it though...

I'm kind of surprised that only Link and Mario broke 98% in the prediction percentages. I thought anyone in the Noble Nine would have a prediction percentage of 98%+.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

When Luigi wins you won't be laughing.

Actually, I will be.

I'll be dancing.

I'll be partying.


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You forget, I am not human. I am merely a weapon. You of all people should be well aware of that fact. -KOS-MOS *JonPen1416 alt*

I will be too, because it'll keep me on the leaderboard, and pull me ahead of many other contenders.

And yes, PD is my favorite game, I compete in multiplayer a lot.. come from the-elite, was one of the first members (14 I think.. *shrug*)


I think luigi has a great chance. the oracle topic seems split.
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Score: 24/24 Leaderboard: 27
Upcoming picks: Sonic, Ryu, Viewtful Joe, Dante

When Luigi wins you won't be laughing.

Actually, I will be.

I'll be dancing.

I'll be partying.

And I'll be dreaming, cause that's the only place where that will happen.
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Tommy vs. Max - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
KOS-MOS vs. Ryu - Bracket: Ryu - Vote: KOS-MOS (24/25)

Master Moltar lacks faith in the green clothed one. The L shall not stand for loser on that day, my friend, if the man in green can do as well as he did against Pac Man.
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Current Pick: Ryu; Current Vote: Ryu; Points: 25/25
Henshin a go-go, baby!

The Luigi, Pac-Man, Knuckles, Kefka 4-pack is confusing, but every single conclusion is countered by one of those characters except that Luigi is stronger then Solid Snake which is hard to believe
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Summer 2004 Contest 22/25 Ryu vs. KOS-MOS

No way is Joe going to be a bracket favorite tomorrow.

KOS-MOS is doing pretty well, I suppose...well, doing some extrapolating and comparing Samus and Ryu to each other, and assuming KOS-MOS was the same both years, Samus beats Ryu with 60%.

Ryu's doing exactly how the extrapolated standings had him at last year. Not really a change in either.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I just want to express the coolness of Joe's picture tomorrow. I love it.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

It seems like Luigi is the exact opposite of Mario: Absurd beatdowns of lesser characters, rolls over and dies to anyone better than him.
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This space reserved for the Summer Guru Contest winner!

That'll change when he faces Yoshi. Luigi shall prevail.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

except that Luigi is stronger then Solid Snake which is hard to believe

Haha, just imagine the chaos on this board if Luigi beat Snake in a match.
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You forget, I am not human. I am merely a weapon. You of all people should be well aware of that fact. -KOS-MOS *JonPen1416 alt*

I would absolutely die...from laughter, that is.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

The Luigi, Pac-Man, Knuckles, Kefka 4-pack is confusing, but every single conclusion is countered by one of those characters except that Luigi is stronger then Solid Snake which is hard to believe

So there's a variable in there somewhere that we haven't taken into account. In any case, Luigi almost has to go up by some amount, the question is merely by how much, and is it enough to get him by Yoshi.
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Current Pick: Ryu; Current Vote: Ryu; Points: 25/25
Henshin a go-go, baby!

In this match, strength means nothing. It's all SFF. Who do the Nintendo fans prefer. Yoshi or Luigi?
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Yoshi.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Luigi.
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Current Pick: Ryu; Current Vote: Ryu; Points: 25/25
Henshin a go-go, baby!

Yoshi.
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Tommy vs. Max - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
KOS-MOS vs. Ryu - Bracket: Ryu - Vote: KOS-MOS (24/25)

Let's alternate...

Luigi.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I prefer Yoshi.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

I prefer Yoshi.
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You play with your controller in one hand for 85% of the game. If that isn't a gaming experience, I don't know what is. -the jp, on FFX-2

I have Luigi, but I like Yoshi more . . .
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You forget, I am not human. I am merely a weapon. You of all people should be well aware of that fact. -KOS-MOS *JonPen1416 alt*

,ihsoY ebyam igiuL
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BtT: 3:59.25 | HRC: 50,053.8 ft OV aaaargh
Crash.

Well now that we alternated then doubled up... disregarding a junk vote...LEts double alternate!

Luigi!

"Plus, I'd imagine that a lot of gamers probably had no idea who Samus Aran was until they played Smash Brothers."

We've been over this and it has been proven so. This, in fact, is how I convinced HM to take Ness over Jak and also how he is fortunate enough to still have a perfect bracket. :)

"No way is Joe going to be a bracket favorite tomorrow."

The same was said of Ness, HM. It's possible.

"So there's a variable in there somewhere that we haven't taken into account."

One of us may have proposed a decent theory, however. *coughs*

Semi-rant on the way...
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

"So there's a variable in there somewhere that we haven't taken into account."

One of us may have proposed a decent theory, however. *coughs*

I like your theory. It still has Luigi strong enough to beat Yoshi.
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Current Pick: Ryu; Current Vote: Ryu; Points: 25/25
Henshin a go-go, baby!

A theory... although there simply isn't enough proof or evidence to back it up as of yet.

It's possible that Square characters are on the rise this year. Like I said, it's purely speculation at this point as there isn't enough to prove this yet but you can look at some pieces of information to add some verification:

1. Tidus beats Shadow. Although this may not be a big deal at all since they were so close in the extrapolated standings. Nevertheless, he did win despite being slightly lower in last year's standings. There probably really isn't much to make out of this of yet. We should wait to see Tidus' performance against Mega Man.

2. Knuckles underperforms against Kefka. Or does he? Maybe Kefka performed far better against a "just as stong version" as last year's Knuckles. Again, nothing can be made out of this yet and we should wait and see what happens further down the road, particularly in the match involving Knuckles and Snake.

4. Auron performs better than expected against Scorpion surprising a few people. You could also make the counter-argument that Scorpion simply got weaker but how do we really know at the moment?

4. Vivi surprises many and beats Donkey Kong handily with room to spare. What's interesting is that only 35.13% of the bracket voters had him winning so he was a huge underdog coming in yet pulled through comfortably. Counter argument: DK is weak. Again as I've mentioned up top, not much can be made of this just yet.

These are all interesting points I think but they don't serve as sufficient proof to verify an increase in Square power this year but we'll have to wait and see. It certainly is pointing towards that path however, the patterns are consistent...

Late the topic at hand has been what? The WDF. Sonic has basically killed this WDF idea because he managed to perform up to his 2k2 levels, and so you people have been discussing it yet again... and without MY input!!!

The idea here is simple, and I proposed this like a dozen stats topics ago.

1 - Samus faced SFF against Link
2 - Cloud overperformed agaisnt everyone until he faced Link, including beating down Sonic who had beaten Ken
3 - Sephiroth underperfomed agaisnt Cloud. Chalk it up to Hero vs. Villain SFF, Seph didn't do what he should have and for that Mega Man drops. Oh, and Mario and Crono also drop, keeping Mario above Samus while showing that he faced SFF against Link the year before.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Tidus beats Shadow.

They were equal in the XS. I'm more inclined to say Shadow is overrated than Tidus increased.

Knuckles underperforms against Kefka

SFF and more Sonic Team slippage. Either way, this is probably your best point.

Auron performs better than expected against Scorpion

SFF again, Scorp getting weaker.

Vivi surprises many and beats Donkey Kong

He didn't surprise me. Well, not by much. Basically, the arguement was "nobody cares about FFIX." That was proven untrue.

If Square is on the rise, how do explain Squall's weak showing against Bomberman? Cloud underperforming by a point or so? Frog's close match with Liquid? Seph, Crono, and Magus' meeting expectations, not surpassing them?
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Current Pick: Ryu; Current Vote: Ryu; Points: 25/25
Henshin a go-go, baby!

No proof but a definite trend that gets more in its favor all the time.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

The idea here is simple, and I proposed this like a dozen stats topics ago.

1 - Samus faced SFF against Link
2 - Cloud overperformed agaisnt everyone until he faced Link, including beating down Sonic who had beaten Ken
3 - Sephiroth underperfomed agaisnt Cloud. Chalk it up to Hero vs. Villain SFF, Seph didn't do what he should have and for that Mega Man drops. Oh, and Mario and Crono also drop, keeping Mario above Samus while showing that he faced SFF against Link the year before.

Damn. That makes sense.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Well, Sonic has a nasty tendency to overperform in round 1 matches. He was expected to get 64% on Ken (who was also in 2002 West); he got 69%. Then he was projected to get 75% on Terry; he got 81%. What we saw yesterday was not a first, and I remember saying that Sonic was on pace to beat Cloud after what he did to Ken. That was, of course, making the assumption Cloud stayed where he was in 2002, not taking into account anomalies. 'Course, I wasn't aware of the X-Sts yet, else I'd have probably picked Sonic over Cloud and Kirby over Alucard.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 024/025 - Matches: 24/25 - Rank: 00128/33221 - Today: Ryu - Tomorrow: Joe

"Scorp getting weaker."

You mean scorp returning to basically his 2k2 levels, right?

"That was proven untrue."

And I expounded the truth until I was blue in the face. I was nice enough to not rub it in everboies face and be exceptionally arrogant, however.

"how do explain Squall's weak showing against Bomberman?"

I think we know how I would explain it. that being said, I don't know if there is any other explanation. Even saying that the KH effect has worn off isn't enough to explain that match.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Just want to add one thing here:

1 - Samus faced SFF against Link
2 - Cloud overperformed agaisnt everyone until he faced Link, including beating down Sonic who had beaten Ken
3 - Sephiroth underperfomed agaisnt Cloud. Chalk it up to Hero vs. Villain SFF, Seph didn't do what he should have and for that Mega Man drops, and since he beat Snake who beat Ryu he also drops. Oh, and Mario and Crono also drop, keeping Mario above Samus while showing that he faced SFF against Link the year before.

Unless Ryu had a weak year...
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BtT: 3:59.25 | HRC: 50,053.8 ft OV aaaargh
Crash.

"Kirby over Alucard."

I'd like to take this opportunity to laugh at anyone who took Kirby over Alucard.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

And I completely agree with your 2k2 explanation, Chichiri. It doesn't make for a good case of Square rising, either.
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Current Pick: Ryu; Current Vote: Ryu; Points: 25/25
Henshin a go-go, baby!

That is a fair addition, though the further from the source the less significant SFF is. It wouldn't be as detrimental to Ryu then as it would have been to Mega Man.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Hey, he came within 5000 votes. I was surprised at how close it was, since I expected something bigger. I reiterate, I didn't become aware of the X-Sts until the end of SC2K3.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 024/025 - Matches: 24/25 - Rank: 00128/33221 - Today: Ryu - Tomorrow: Joe

Something I just noticed. This match has the same vote total right now as Sonic's did the whole time. Does this mean indifference towards Sonic, not caring about both Sonic and Ryu, overwhelming interest in KOS-MOS or... something else?
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Which is why you continue to berrate and underestimate Alucard? Shame on you.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Daily fluctuations. They usually don't mean much... unless it's some random match actually outvoting a Cloud or Sephiroth match.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 024/025 - Matches: 24/25 - Rank: 00128/33221 - Today: Ryu - Tomorrow: Joe

3 more hours until we silence the naive fanboys in the other topics.

I cannot wait for Joe to lay some smackdown tonight.

Henshin a Go-Go!
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TheRye pwned me so badly during the Ness/Jak match that I wont' be able to sit for a week.

Honestly, Sonic fanboys are the worst.
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Current Pick: Ryu; Current Vote: Ryu; Points: 25/25
Henshin a go-go, baby!

Henshin a go go baby!

Tails, it's three times in a row for you pal, get the hell out of here.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

I hope Joe wins for my bracket's sake... yet I'm growing less and less confident as the time passes.

Of course, Tails winning would be good too. Not only do I like him a lot, but seeing him advance along with Sonic and Knuckles while Shadow bites the dust early would be awesome.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 024/025 - Matches: 24/25 - Rank: 00128/33221 - Today: Ryu - Tomorrow: Joe

1 - Samus faced SFF against Link

For the last time no she didn't. Really use common sense who's more popular Mario or Samus since Samus did better against Link then Mario did which means there was less SFF in Samus' match then Mario's
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Summer 2004 Contest 22/25 Ryu vs. KOS-MOS

Squall, Cloud and the others are good points. Like I said, it's not entirely consistent but for the most part, the theory is plausible. We still need to wait and see as we can't make much of it yet.

Vote for Tails!
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

That is a fair addition, though the further from the source the less significant SFF is. It wouldn't be as detrimental to Ryu then as it would have been to Mega Man.

I suppose... besides, then why would Snake stay about the same? Did he underperform against Crono or something?
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BtT: 3:59.25 | HRC: 50,053.8 ft OV aaaargh
Crash.

"yet I'm growing less and less confident as the time passes."

Do you know how many times I have heard people say that when they have the same pick as me? It's getting annoying having all you sissies making the same picks as me. I need someone like Duke Milkem' so we can both have 100% confidence.

We're here to kick ass and drink milk... hehhehe
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

I have Tails and I am fully confident. Does that count?
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Hey, at least I'm being honest about it when a match makes me nervous.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 024/025 - Matches: 24/25 - Rank: 00128/33221 - Today: Ryu - Tomorrow: Joe

Slow, voting against your bracket bring virtues from the heavens.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Damn Heroic KOS MOS is now out of posts.

Oh well, she got her ass handily served to her. Kudos to those who saw it coming, which is about almost all of you here.

Slow, why do you hate Shadow so much? He's my second favorite Sonic character after Amy Rose.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

"For the last time no she didn't."

Sure, sure. Your proof is as solid as mine right now.

"Really use common sense who's more popular Mario or Samus"

Really, stop commenting on my posts until you've read them in their entirety.

"Oh, and Mario and Crono also drop, keeping Mario above Samus while showing that he faced SFF against Link the year before."

Ring a bell? No? READ MY ENTIRE POST THEN!!!

"then why would Snake stay about the same?"

He didn't. Metal Gear Solid 2 Substance was released between the first and second contest. A lot of people probably owned an Xbox and no PS2 and played MG for the first tiem that way, also a lot of people that skipped the original release probably got Substance in March for their PS2.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Also Mario and Crono didn't drop they gain about .7%
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Summer 2004 Contest 22/25 Ryu vs. KOS-MOS

"Also Mario and Crono didn't drop they gain about .7%"

Which, if you'd use some or your reasoning abilities, means that Mario should have increased more due to the previous year's SFF but didn't because he was hit by Seph's SFF loses.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

I mena, really, if soemthing that simple doesn't come into the eqution for you then I bet your brain explodes when you look at Auron's performance last year than look and see Tails dropping in the XSt in 2k3...

If that the sound of grey matter squirming?
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

but I don't see why there would be so much SFF in Cloud vs. Sephiroth. If anything it would be less then Link vs. Mario.
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Summer 2004 Contest 22/25 Ryu vs. KOS-MOS

I mena, really, if soemthing that simple doesn't come into the eqution for you then I bet your brain explodes when you look at Auron's performance last year than look and see Tails dropping in the XSt in 2k3...

Mario vs. Cloud Theory.
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Summer 2004 Contest 22/25 Ryu vs. KOS-MOS

"but I don't see why there would be so much SFF in Cloud vs. Sephiroth."

Or, to twist it around, as I'm fond of doing...

but I don't see why there would be so much SSS in Cloud vs. Auron

We heard that second one so many times that it became accepted as truth, and it became "fact" because of one small piece of evidence that assumed tails had no reason to increase. THAT worked out real well, didn't it?
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

SFF, my bad.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Damn. That anti-WDF theory looks even better.
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BtT: 3:59.25 | HRC: 50,053.8 ft OV aaaargh
Crash.

He's my second favorite Sonic character after Amy Rose.

You like Amy Rose? No wonder you like Shadow.

You like Tingle, too?

;)
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 024/025 - Matches: 24/25 - Rank: 00128/33221 - Today: Ryu - Tomorrow: Joe

"Mario vs. Cloud Theory."

Do recall, if you will, I'm one of the people (if not THE person) who proposed that theory in the first place. Let me assure you, since you don't seem to grasp this concept, but it's impossible for one factor to change everything so much. There are several factors and they all have their part in changing things.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

"You like Tingle, too?"

BURN!
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Tingle, TINGLE thats like my number 1 favorite character

*sarcasm machine explodes*
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Summer 2004 Contest 22/25 Ryu vs. KOS-MOS

Do recall, if you will, I'm one of the people (if not THE person) who proposed that theory in the first place. Let me assure you, since you don't seem to grasp this concept, but it's impossible for one factor to change everything so much. There are several factors and they all have their part in changing things.

True since the factor only bumps Auron to about 62% on Scorpion
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Summer 2004 Contest 22/25 Ryu vs. KOS-MOS

You like Amy Rose? No wonder you like Shadow.

The reason I like Amy has something to do with my taste for whiny women. I can't explain it at all. That's the same reason I like Rikku I guess. I like Shadow because he's so bad-ass. Plus his levels own in Sonic Adventure 2.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

"my taste for whiny women."

Odd fetish alert!
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Odd fetish alert!

Very much so.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

We shouldn't trust anything about Sonic vs. Terry. For one thing, jobbers seem to be weird sometimes (see: Sephiroth vs. Raziel). Like Slowflake said (and what I tried to say weeks ago), Sonic overperformed against Ken, so why not Terry, as well? Plus, for all we know, Aya Brea and Donkey Kong could have been weaker than we thought in 2002 (there's no way to prove how much SFF there was in Mario vs. DK), meaning Terry could've been overrated in 2002.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

So most of the people from the West Division in 2002 just happened to stumble into some anomaly in 2003? Isn't it more logical to assume that there was one unifying factor that increased them in 2002 instead of several factors in 2003?

Also, WDF is NOT concretely Sephiroth overperforming against Link.

No offense to Slow, but that's just his theory. There are other logical explanations, like maybe Sephiroth getting anti-voted against in 2002.
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"It was a good fight for you, but an easy win for me."--Terry Bogard

And my very first sig bet rides on Joe beating Tails. Come on, Viewtiful One!
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Current Pick: Ryu; Current Vote: Ryu; Points: 25/25
Henshin a go-go, baby!

Match XXV: (1) Sonic vs. (16) Terry Review

Sonic beat Terry, 80.84% - 19.16%

Well Sonic did crush Terry like I expected him too and my prediction, I was being nice to Terry I actually expected a 80/20 match, but I guess people didn’t see it coming since the few vocal Terry fans said that this match could end up as low as 70/30, boy were they wrong. Not much to say about this match except that this is the second day in a row that the perfects have been perfect looks like all, but one joke bracket (the guy with HK-47 winning) is serious on winning this match.

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Summer 2004 Contest 22/25 Ryu vs. KOS-MOS

XXVII: (5) Viewtiful Joe vs. (12) Tails Preview

Past Performances:

Viewtiful Joe: 2002

Did not attend
Ranked: N/A

Viewtiful Joe: 2003

Did not attend
Ranked: N/A

Tails: 2002

Lost to Alucard, 45.68% - 54.32%
Ranked: 28th

Tails: 2003

Lost to Auron, 35.53 - 64.47%
Ranked: 41st

Analysis:

Viewtiful Joe is from Viewtiful Joe. Viewtiful Joe is another new character. Viewtiful Joe is probably one of the newest characters in this contest so his popularity hasn’t reached its peak. Viewtiful Joe unless he’s in another game could go up with popularity without having another game because he is so new. Though we could underestimate him he could lose in the first round or he can lose all the way to the third round Joe is one of those Wild Cards characters. The average person will probably have Viewtiful Joe losing in the second round, to most likely Dante.

Tails is from the Sonic series. He’s the fourth and weakest character of the Sonic Team. Tails is one of the few characters that has been to this contest twice and lost in the first round and yet he made it to this year’s bracket. Even though Tails loses were from strong character Tails himself isn’t a really strong character though. But many people are saying if Tails is ever going to win a match it would be this match. A lot of people are saying that he won’t because he is ranked so low, but many of us think that Viewtiful Joe is most likely to flop then any other new character.

Well at the beginning of the contest Joe was a shoe-in, but as the contest progressed Tails started to look better and better until some people actually think this match is a toss-up. Well this match will probably close since I don’t see the winner getting above 60%, but I still think Joe has this match won, but if Tails was to win a match this would be the one.

First we have Viewtiful Joe who’s probably one of the newest characters in this contest, whose hype about his game was so high I think he would’ve won a few matches even before his game came out. His game was released on the Gamecube and also a few days ago the Playstation 2, but that probably won’t help him much. Like I said if this was match was held next year I would easily take Joe for the win since he would be more expose by that time.

The only thing that’s probably keeping most people from picking Joe over Tails was probably the Auron vs. Scorpion match we had a few days ago. Even though Auron did better then expected I would expect that Scorpion decreased. We may not know by how much, but with the Mario vs. Cloud Theory it shows that Auron would’ve only gotten 62% on Scorpion so I guess Scorpion decreased by like 2% making Tails as strong as Sora.

Also if you look at other Capcom characters you see that there very strong. Only one of them is weaker then “stronger” Tails and that’s Ken. Capcom characters are the third strongest company in this contest with only Square and Nintendo beating them. Even though we don’t know how strong Joe is, but from looking at characters from his company things look good from him.

Like we’ve said Joe could either go very far or flop in the first round, but if he’s played his cards right then he should sit right in the middle by losing in the second round. If I were to rank Joe by last year rankings I would put him in the Vercetti pack.

Charmander’s Bracket: Viewtiful Joe

Charmander’s Prediction: Viewtiful Joe wins, 56.90% - 43.10%

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Summer 2004 Contest 22/25 Ryu vs. KOS-MOS

"Isn't it more logical "

By all means use but one simple logic to get yourself 192 point. I dare you. There's a reason the word coincidence is in the English language, and that's one situation where the word is handy. Odd things happen, and I'm afraid it's far beyond our ability to just say "yep, that's what did it" when we have so little to work with. You may think my theories are crazy or too complex, but I don't want to have to give you the path of least resistance talk, so keep an open mind.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

No arguments from anybody. Good. I like it that way, let's keep it that way.

Henshin a win-win for Joe in 15 minutes or so.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

15 minutes to Joe time.

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I made a funny!
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Current Pick: Joe; Current Vote: Joe; Points: 26/26
Henshin a go-go, baby!

"I made a funny!"

Master Splinter!

*drops bow staff to hug rat*
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

*bo staff
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Joe with the completely unsafe "cushion" right now...
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Damn, just as I posted that, Tails pulled into the lead.

C'mon, Joe...
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

20 vote lead.

Joe can't come back. May as well move to the next match now.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Hey, solarshadow's on the Top 50.
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Hmph.

Joe is back on top.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Joe's catching up fast...
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Whoa! Surprise comeback by Joe!!!
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

good job solar

anyways this is going to be like Frog vs. LS, but Joe needs to pull away before the morning comes
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Summer 2004 Contest 22/25 Ryu vs. KOS-MOS

I thought Tails would be leading here. I'm kinda surprised to see it dead even.
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Current Pick: Joe; Current Vote: Joe; Points: 26/26
Henshin a go-go, baby!

Joe doesn't need to. He needs to. Tails will own the day vote, as all Sonic characters tend to.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Indeed, congrats to solar, but why isn't HM up there, and more importantly why am I not up there? Dammit HM, to think we finished out brackets so late... But joe shall prevail, as we said, out first round will be perfect, as we said, and then you and I, ChichirMuyo and Heroic Mario, shall be atop the top 50. The cream of the cream of the crop.

Tails unfortunately doens't own anything.. and if Shadow is any indicator Joe may have less to worry about than we though. Tails is a huge board favorite, and if he can't win the first 15 minutes then we have a match to talk about. Really, if it were jsut this board being polled Tails would be final four material.

But joe shall prevail, as we said, out first round will be perfect, as we said, and then you and I, ChichirMuyo and Heroic Mario, shall be atop the top 50. The cream of the cream of the crop.

Works in theory. The "Joe prevails" part could be a bit tricky.
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Hmph.

Are you kidding? Joe owned the board pre-poll.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

At 1000

Viewtiful Joe 50.8% 508
Miles "Tails" Prower 49.2% 492
TOTAL VOTES 1000

A 16 vote lead, this could be like Frog vs. LS
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Summer 2004 Contest 23/26 Viewtiful Joe vs. Tails

Indeed, congrats to solar, but why isn't HM up there, and more importantly why am I not up there? Dammit HM, to think we finished out brackets so late... But joe shall prevail, as we said, out first round will be perfect, as we said, and then you and I, ChichirMuyo and Heroic Mario, shall be atop the top 50. The cream of the cream of the crop.

*raises hand* Me too!
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Current Pick: Joe; Current Vote: Joe; Points: 26/26
Henshin a go-go, baby!

"Are you kidding? Joe owned the board pre-poll."

...

LOL

Apparently you haven't been to many of the character contests on this board. He may have owned the board's brackets, due to general lack of faith in Tails, but Tails owns this board's heart more than 99% of ALL characters ever created.

Whoever wins this, it looks like Dante can rest easy.
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Hmph.

The difference between this and Frog vs LS is that this match has a character who comes from a series known to OWN the day vote.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Thing is, Kensou, most of the board doesn't even vote in the contests.

And board or not, Sonic and co. are the kings of the day vote.
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Hmph.

Yet again, Shadow stands in utter defiance of that statement... and Tail's previous track record stands against the idea of him owning anything.

"Sonic and co. are the kings of the day vote."

Tell it to Shadow, not your truly.

every refresh I do the lead changes
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Summer 2004 Contest 23/26 Viewtiful Joe vs. Tails

I know, it's crazy...
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Tails is now holding a 10 vote lead
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Summer 2004 Contest 23/26 Viewtiful Joe vs. Tails

He went to 14.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Shadow didn't exactly lose ground, did he? He just held steady.

At worst, Tails will hold steady. Either way, V. Joe's basically going to have to keep this around 50-50 all match if he has any hope, cause gaining on a Sonic character in the day vote will be... difficult. Even Shadow didn't lose ground, and most Sonic characters GAIN ground.
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Hmph.

As much as I love(d) Tails I will be disgusted if he beats Joe. Viewtiful Joe is a masterpiece of a game, and it deserve more respect than it has been shown so far.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

I hope this ends in Sonic vs. Samus style. Tails leading in the day before Joe comes back taking the win
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Summer 2004 Contest 23/26 Viewtiful Joe vs. Tails

Hate to break it to you, but get ready to taste some bile in your mouth.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Tails wins.
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The only reason this is here is because posts without sigs look ugly.

Really? I hope this goes Kefka style... Tails takes an early but short-lived lead then never has a chance to regain it.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

That is the most unrealistic thing you could hope for though.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Viewtiful Joe 49.2% 984
Miles "Tails" Prower 50.8% 1016
TOTAL VOTES 2000

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I chose the road less traveled -- now where the heck am I?
A Picture Is Worth 1,000 Words, But It Uses Up a Thousand Times the Memory

Ah well. I had a good run during this contest.

I just never imagined to get all the other "tough ones" right and then fail with V. Joe, when he was one of the choices I was more confident about.
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You two are funny. We still haven't even stabalized the vote let alone come close to being able to declare a winner.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

"That is the most unrealistic thing you could hope for though."

No, the most unrealistic thing I can hope for is that no one outside of the boards care about Tails and in fifteen minutes he almost completely stops getting voted for and he ends up barely doubling Tanner's vote total.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Apparently you don't know that all things work against me.

Thus, since I have Joe winning, he'll lose.
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Okay, you've got me there.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

I won't declare the winner until one of them gets 1000
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Summer 2004 Contest 23/26 Viewtiful Joe vs. Tails

But I have all things working for me, and I too have Joe winning... seeing this comeback he's pushing for I may very well override you.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

I know it's jumping the gun, but wasn't Joe supposed to start off winning? Tails then getting the day vote.... if Tails gets the day vote now.... I'm out another point.
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SC2k4 Winner: Sephiroth
Status: 25/26 Next Pick: Viewtiful Joe

You'd better
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And as I typed that he stopped pushing forward... dammit, no nail biters, get out there and henshin a kill-kill him Joe.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

And all I can see is Tail's lead growing...
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That was how it was expected to go by some. Others think that Joe will get the day vote. Why they think that, I don't know.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Tails seems to be holding steady at a 100 vote lead... Doesn't bode well for our boy Joe.
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Hmph.

someone quick make part 43
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Summer 2004 Contest 23/26 Viewtiful Joe vs. Tails

I'll do it!
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

My work here is done!
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

it's been 30 min. into the poll and Tails lead by 100 unless the bracket voter favored Tails like it did to Kefka Tails will most likely pull away by morning

goodnight
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Summer 2004 Contest 23/26 Viewtiful Joe vs. Tails

i like pie.

Someone start vote stuffing or something >_<
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I still think a Kefka is well within the realm of possibility here.

Joe will win.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

For Tails.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

this will end in a 60% win for tails.

Pfft. More like 51% for Tails.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

"this will end in a 60% win for tails."

Now you're pushing the bounds of reality.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

I suppose it is safe to go to bed now. And when I wake up, Joe will be winning comfortably.

*sigh*
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Of course he will. He's Kefka Jr. out there.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

All Joe will be winning is the "Lose to Tails in the first round" award. LOL. Get it?
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

And by Kefka Jr I do mean Tails.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

"this will end in a 60% win for tails."

Now you're pushing the bounds of reality.

pushing...but not breaking.
knuckles went from 49.5 to 57.5 in about the same span of time.
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redline15: sarcastic lurker

The difference between Tails and Kefka is that they have opposite voting demographics. If Tails, who should by all accounts, be weaker in the opening hours than in the day hours is winning now, how could you think he'll suddenly drop?
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And this is still Tails we're talking about. We can't say for sure that he will maintain this advantage for any ammount of time, let alone put up 60% by closing time.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

They are praying to god that Joe gets the day vote. I mean, realistically looking at each character's background and determining that Joe should receive the vote from every casual voter.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Tails is a board favorite like Kefka, there's still a fair chance the board will fail him.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Somehow I doubt that.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

We should probably finish this topic's last 7 posts. (6 now)
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Then you don't know the boards.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

*yawn*
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

*joins in* I don't really think Tails is the board favorite. More people were rooting for Joe and had Joe in their brackets.
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SC2k4 Predicted Contest Winner: Sephiroth
26/26/192 Next tough pick: Tails

Looks like this is stable.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

I think that Tails will be the bracket favorite, and will win with over 55% of the vote. bye bye leaderboard for me :-/
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Score: 24/24 Leaderboard: 27
Upcoming picks: Sonic, Ryu, Viewtful Joe, Dante

Finish
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