Yeah, it's really early. I also don't feel well and may not be on the computer for the next day or so.

Stats websites:

Everything you could ever imagine:
http://www.sc2k4.com

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/2003/index.html

Spring 2004 Contest: (not currently updating)
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/index.html

Stats topics:

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note)

2003-2004 Off-Season:
http://membres.lycos.fr/shindohikaru/stats1.htm (See note)
Note: Don't use the links in the topic to browse through the pages, change the page number in the URL.

Spring 2004 Pre-Season:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason3.htm

Spring 2004 Contest:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats3.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats4.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats5.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats6.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats7.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats8.htm

MMXcalibur's Prophet Sites:
http://prophetchallenge.hyperboards2.com/index.cgi
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/

!yawA tsoP
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Tagged for future reference.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Bomberman's status: Blown Away

mm, stats.

i think that next contest (whenever it'll be) we should make an archive of brackets of a bunch of boards users...

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Kerry/Edwards for the 2004 Presidency!
Proud Liberal, Democrat, and Patriot. Spring Contest Score: 182 (13th).

Hopes Ulti feels better. ^_^
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Yuber sucks so bad that Rody could probably solo him. With his starting runes.- King in Teal
Married SemiFinal vs Belarus on 6/1/04

My sister is also sick.

Coincidence?

I THINK NOT!
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Gamefaqs: Where EVERYONE understands sarcasm. ~caitsithfortune

Good thinking ahead considering the match that's about to take place.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Bump so no one creates a new one....
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Vivi doing very well, easily handling DK. He might go down during the night, but DK isn't strong during the day. This should end up between 55%-58% for Vivi.
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Data for all matches - http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php
SC2K4.com/Frog

From: Guy Dekar | Posted: 8/23/2004 3:38:15 AM | Message Detail
500.
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Gunbound - GuyDekar - Double Battle Axe. GameFAQs guild 93 / 100.
Looking forward to Guild Wars!

Ow. Ow. Ow. My bracket is in pain right now. 1,000 and climbing, five down. Given my picks so far, look for Tails/Jill/HK-47 upset specials and Yoshi to beat Luigi :-(
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Jon Thomson - today: Auron, tomorrow: DK - 17/21
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Vivi for teh win today
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police toilet stolen, cops have nothing to go on
THE-KiRBY-ARMY<("<)<( " )> (>")> Member no.56

Vivi's over 1400 and still climbing very slowly. Dk could still slow him down and start coming back, but since DK NEVER got the late night vote, i really don't think he would hold onto a lead if he did comeback that much. this close one goes to Vivi. woo-hoo!

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

Top 10 Biggest Blowouts (difference in percentage)

1) 88.60% - Solid Snake over Tanner
2) 75.66% - Link over CATS
3) 67.08% - Mario over J.C. Denton
4) 65.98% - Bowser over Guybrush Threepwood
5) 65.96% - Megaman over Eartworm Jim
6) 62.08% - Magus over Luca Blight
7) 60.38% - Cloud over Duke Milk'em
8) 55.98% - Crono over Conker
9) 52.80% - Yoshi over Ryo Hazuki
10) 43.44% - Zero over Protoman

Top 10 Biggest Vote Gaps (difference in votes)

1) 69759 - Solid Snake over Tanner
2) 62319 - Link over CATS
3) 55813 - Megaman over Earthworm Jim
4) 53705 - Cloud over Duke Milk'em
5) 52337 - Mario over J.C. Denton
6) 49079 - Bowser over Guybrush Threepwood
7) 44770 - Crono over Conker
8) 43761 - Magus over Luca Blight
9) 41506 - Yoshi over Ryo Hazuki
10) 35324 - Zero over Protoman

Top 10 Closest Matches (difference in percentage)

1) 0.10% - Frog over Liquid Snake
2) 1.62% - Tidus over Shadow the Hedgehog
3) 10.16% - Ness over Jak
4) 14.32% - Ganondorf over Alucard
5) 14.92% - Knuckles over Kefka
6) 20.46% - Vyse over Laharl
7) 23.92% - Tommy Vercetti over Max Payne
8) 29.30% - Kirby over Kain
9) 29.50% - Squall over Bomberman
10) 29.70% - Auron over Scorpion

Top 10 Smallest Vote Gaps (difference in votes)

1) 93 - Frog over Liquid Snake
2) 1546 - Tidus over Shadow the Hedgehog
3) 7397 - Ness over Jak
4) 12358 - Knuckles over Kefka
5) 12533 - Ganondorf over Alucard
6) 14072 - Vyse over Laharl
7) 18618 - Tommy Vercetti over Max Payne
8) 23576 - Kirby over Kain
9) 23943 - Squall over Bomberman
10) 26709 - Luigi over Pac-Man

Top 10 Most Popular Polls (by vote totals)

1) 95122 - Tidus vs. Shadow the Hedgehog
2) 90064 - Auron vs. Scorpion
3) 88953 - Cloud vs. Duke Milk'em
4) 87733 - Frog vs. Liquid Snake
5) 87557 - Ganondorf vs. Alucard
6) 84625 - Megaman vs. Earthworm Jim
7) 82798 - Kefka vs. Knuckles
8) 82369 - Link vs. CATS
9) 81310 - Zero vs. Protoman
10) 81137 - Squall vs. Bomberman

Top 10 Least Popular Polls (by vote totals)

1) 68808 - Vyse vs. Laharl
2) 70495 - Magus vs. Luca Blight
3) 72863 - Ness vs. Jak
4) 74383 - Bowser vs. Guybrush Threepwood
5) 75307 - Luigi vs. Pac-Man
6) 77021 - Master Cheif vs. Crash Bandicoot
7) 77860 - Tommy Vercetti vs. Max Payne
8) 78031 - Mario vs. J.C. Denton
9) 78608 - Yoshi vs. Ryo Hazuki
10) 78743 - Solid Snake over Tanner

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

Top 10 Highest Individual Votes

1) 74251 - Solid Snake
2) 72344 - Link
3) 71329 - Cloud
4) 70219 - Megaman
5) 65184 - Mario
6) 62375 - Crono
7) 61731 - Bowser
8) 60057 - Yoshi
9) 58404 - Auron
10) 58317 - Zero

Top 10 Lowest Individual Votes

1) 4492 - Tanner
2) 10025 - CATS
3) 12652 - Guybrush Threepwood
4) 12847 - J.C. Denton
5) 13367 - Luca Blight
6) 14406 - Earthworm Jim
7) 17605 - Conker
8) 17624 - Duke Milk'em
9) 18551 - Ryo Hazuki
10) 22552 - Crash Bandicoot

Top 10 Most Impressive Losers (by votes)

1) 46788 - Shadow the Hedgehog
2) 43820 - Liquid Snake
3) 37512 - Alucard
4) 35220 - Lettuce Kefka
5) 32733 - Jak
6) 31660 - Scorpion
7) 29621 - Max Payne
8) 28597 - Bomberman
9) 28436 - Kain
10) 27368 - Lahar

Top 10 Least Impressive Winners (by votes)

1) 40130 - Ness
2) 41440 - Vyse
3) 43913 - Frog
4) 47578 - Knuckles
5) 48239 - Tommy Vercetti
6) 48334 - Tidus
7) 50045 - Ganondorf
8) 51008 - Luigi
9) 52012 - Kirby
10) 52540 - Squall

Top 10 Easiest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner)

1) 98.79% - Link over CATS
2) 98.28% - Mario over J.C. Denton
3) 97.97% - Cloud over Duke Milk'em
4) 97.47% - Megaman over Earthworm Jim
5) 97.27% - Solid Snake over Tanner
6) 95.00% - Bowser over Guybrush Threepwood
7) 93.43% - Crono over Conker
8) 90.45% - Magus over Luca Blight
9) 86.41% - Zero over Protoman
10) 85.16% - Yoshi over Ryo Hazuki

Top 10 Hardest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner)

1) 43.05% - Knuckles over Kefka
2) 44.33% - Frog over Liquid Snake
3) 54.16% - Ness over Jak
4) 63.02% - Ganondorf over Alucard
5) 66.71% - Vyse over Laharl
6) 68.69% - Luigi over Pac-Man
7) 70.06% - Tidus over Shadow the Hedgehog
8) 70.14% - Auron over Scorpion
9) 74.21% - Kirby over Kain
10) 76.02% - Tommy Vercetti over Max Payne

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

that irritates me that Tidus had as many brackets behind him as Auron did. >_<

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

That's pretty much what I expected Auron to get on the prediction percentage.

And some people didn't believe Vivi could be this strong, doing as well as Auron would've been projected to last summer.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Bomberman's status: Blown Away

Dang, I expected this to be alot closer...but I'll take a win for my bracket about anytime. =)

*knocks on wood, in case DK decides to make this interesting again*
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Awesome showing by Vivi right now. He looks to be having a nice lead on DK, which should hold throughout the rest of the day and into the night. =)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Poor Slowflake.
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Assassin for Hire.
G-G-G-G-GO FROG!

Tidus' and Auron's polls drew more voters than Cloud's... could this be that little thing someone mentioned yesterday, that FF10's share of the "first RPG played" market would grow while FF7's would shrink? If that's so, then an Auron boost would become easier to swallow, especially given today's results... but what about Tidus? If he got the same increase, he'd be in position to challenge Megaman for the division title. Not that I believe he will, but it's interesting nonetheless. The underestimated Tails theory makes more sense, in a way, and it raises the bar for Joe. A lot. If Joe faces Dante himself, we may have to count on the PS2 port to mess up the math again... it would almost be better for Tails to face Dante directly to give us the time of day.

And DK continues the tradition of beating every double-digit-seeded entry he meets, and getting beaten by every single-digit-seeded entry he meets.

Good job, Chichiri. Gotta say though, I'll rip you a new one if you don't win this contest. If you have a bracket identical to Ulti save for today, you have Cloud winning, right? Well... expect your arrogance to come bite you straight in the ass if he gets beaten. These first round matches aren't all there is to it, although you ARE headed towards a perfect one. We got some interesting upset prospects in Luigi, Magus and Master Chief, and suddenly Kirby looks good for some reason, too.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 022/022 - Matches: 22/22 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: DK - Tomorrow: Sephiroth

Magus ain't gonna upset ;x
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Assassin for Hire.
G-G-G-G-GO FROG!

If Tidus were to get an increase that would also mean Shadow would have to see a same increase.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Indeed. And Knuckles didn't.

And Vivi turns out to be a top 20 character, or very close to it. I wonder what Zidane would do.

And for now, I'm very happy that I picked Cloud to win it all.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 022/022 - Matches: 22/22 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: DK - Tomorrow: Sephiroth

Is anyone else genuinely shocked that Vivi is winning? I recall a while ago, people were saying it was gonna be a blow out by DK. In fact I remember ulti saying something like 'Everyone is underestimating DK, he only needs to keep the same popularity as last year and he'll win'. Must have been a deception ;)

A DK blowout? Nobody ever said that IIRC.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 022/022 - Matches: 22/22 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: DK - Tomorrow: Sephiroth

I will not be happy if Ulti appears on the leaderboard tomorrow.
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Assassin for Hire.
G-G-G-G-GO FROG!

I made a promise to myself to only care about this contest until my first loss. I went through more than enough problems last contest with rooting against some of my favorite games in the world every other match. This contest, big whoop. So DK lost, fine. I like Vivi as a character much more than DK, and come Cloud/Sephy, I'll be rooting for Sephy the whole way.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

That's right Ulti, get people to vote Link over Cloud =)
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Assassin for Hire.
G-G-G-G-GO FROG!

Zidane would most likely do worse than Vivi. I know I would vote DK over Zidane, but not over Vivi. It isn't like he's more recognizable, anyone who's played FFIX knows Vivi if they've know Zidane. He could still probably beat a weaker character though.
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Not all those who wander are lost...
There is no god, and the cage wasn't 30 feet. - CM Punk

haha, i know how it feels... i had a chance at games last contest, and i was ONE SPOT OFF from getting something (since a couple others above me weren't elligable). yargh.

needless to say, with 3 matches already lost, i have no shot this tournament of making the top 50.

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Kerry/Edwards for the 2004 Presidency!
Proud Liberal, Democrat, and Patriot. Spring Contest Score: 182 (13th).

At last...the Great Ape has been put in his rightful place...even more so than I expected. At most DK will catch up 2-3%, so I am penciling this one in now...
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Steve Illumina: Official Satirical Commentator of SC2K4
Perfects to Fall: 276 SC2K4: 21/23 (Go Vivi!)

That's right Ulti, get people to vote Link over Cloud =)

Ulti dont matter...peeps will vote Link over Cloud this year..Nintendite euphoria is higher than ever this year...propelling even lowly Ness to a win.

Course they have given up on the ape...hahaha
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Steve Illumina: Official Satirical Commentator of SC2K4
Perfects to Fall: 313 SC2K4: 19/21 (Go Vivi!)

Ugh... I am even more angry at Ness now than before... but you are the man Vivi! Keepin' my hopes for over 190 alive!
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...and it begins! 191/192 (stupid Ness) Next tough match: VIVI vs. Donkey Kong

I feel oddly certain that I won't win this contest. But hey, it's been nice having a perfect bracket... but when Ryu H vs Jill V rolls along, well.
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Assassin for Hire.
G-G-G-G-GO FROG!

I wonder what Zidane would do.

Probably score a goal or two.

Oops, wrong Zidane.
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Because how could I not do this forbidden thing, when it feels so good!

Rinaldo owns Zidane.

In 2003, I think that Zidane would be more popular than Vivi.

Because of my new "hardcore casual" theory I believe that from this year on, Vivi would be more popular than Zidane, although if he keeps up this percentage Zidane could probably beat DK too.
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"Get over here."--Scorpion

Hmm...somehow, I don't think there will be any perfects this year. Of course, I've already lost three points (curse my moronic confidence in Jak!), so I basically have to be perfect from here on out to have anything like a shot.
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Theifenburg Uncertainty Principle - Without any witnesses, who's to say what happened?

*hugs Ulti* I think Ulti needs a hug.
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Yuber sucks so bad that Rody could probably solo him. With his starting runes.- King in Teal
Married SemiFinal vs Belarus on 6/1/04

Well, I'm 2 points down....the biggest upset I'm looking for is Ryu (SF) over Sonic.

Ryu H. over Samus would also be interesting too....
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These days, the geekier I get, the more employable I get. So calling me a geek is not an insult, but a statement of hope. Level 1: Petrifier (105 points)

Hooray for Vivi! Every match I've sigged I've ended up losing (Tidus/Shadow and Ness/Jak), so I decided not to sig Vivi/DK and I won. So long as I don't sig any more matches, I'm looking at a 190.

TRE - Is it just me, or was I the first person to do those stats about what percent of each score got each match right? I could have sworn that I did it for like the 3rd or 4th match, but ever since then you've been doing it right after the stats go up. I'd have continued to do it, except I'm never up at the starts of matches (darn 3:00 am start time). Also, the day after I did that, I posted who dropped out of the top 50 and who got into it, and it also seems like you've been doing that every day since right after the stats go up.
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You play with your controller in one hand for 85% of the game. If that isn't a gaming experience, I don't know what is. -the jp, on FFX-2

Any thoughts on the amount of perfects to go down today? Considering 70% of all brackets took Auron, I wouldn't be surprised to see Kefka/Knux like stats.
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Summer Contest Match 22 Vivi vs. DK
Status 20/22 Points: 020 Next: Sephiroth vs. Sly Cooper

I'd say about 55% for Vivi. Anybody that's still perfect knows DK's strength and won't have underestimated him. That should lead to a lot of smart people (like Ulti and Slow) picking him. Hopefully around 130 smart people.
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Current Pick: Vivi; Current Vote: Vivi; Points: 22/22
VIVI IS THE BLACK MAGE! HE CASTS THE SPELLS THAT MAKES THE MONKEYS FALL DOWN!

Vivi won... no questions asked. It's over. Now who's gonna win Joe vs Tails?
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Assassin for Hire.
G-G-G-G-GO FROG!

I still say Joe. VJ release date on PS2 is 3 days before the match. That can't hurt. Plus (I've been saying this for weeks) Lara > Tails (according to XStats). I don't see ANY way where Lara > Joe.
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Summer Contest Match 22 Vivi vs. DK
Status 20/22 Points: 020 Next: Sephiroth vs. Sly Cooper

I'd have thought Joe, but the poor performance levels of most recent non-FF characters, Dante, MC and Vercetti notwithstanding, combined with yesterday's match, make Joe/Tails the next one to watch.

Tails winning would be gold in that Sonic, Tails and Knuckles all win a match, but that lamer Shadow gets whipped by Tightass. I have Joe winning, but either way, I win.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 022/022 - Matches: 22/22 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: DK - Tomorrow: Sephiroth

I forgot about this: Viewtiful Joe has the Fred Durst factor. Whether that's good or not, I don't know.
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Summer Contest Match 22 Vivi vs. DK
Status 20/22 Points: 020 Next: Sephiroth vs. Sly Cooper

TRE - Is it just me, or was I the first person to do those stats about what percent of each score got each match right? I could have sworn that I did it for like the 3rd or 4th match, but ever since then you've been doing it right after the stats go up. I'd have continued to do it, except I'm never up at the starts of matches (darn 3:00 am start time). Also, the day after I did that, I posted who dropped out of the top 50 and who got into it, and it also seems like you've been doing that every day since right after the stats go up.

If you want to take over it's fine with me. This actually works out well since I will have limited computer access for the next two weeks or so and was going to ask for someone to help me with this.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

Dangit this match ruins my perfect bracket. Time to take more viagra...

I forgot about this: Viewtiful Joe has the Fred Durst factor. Whether that's good or not, I don't know.

1) Is it pre-Nookie Durst, or post-Rollin' Durst? There's a HHUUGGEE difference.

2) What's the FDF?
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Well, I was joking. But here's a good pic of Joe's face unobstructed by his costume.
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Summer Contest Match 22 Vivi vs. DK
Status 20/22 Points: 020 Next: Sephiroth vs. Sly Cooper

Oops, forgot the link.

http://ndex.simgames.net/screenshots/cube/vj/vj5.jpg
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Summer Contest Match 22 Vivi vs. DK
Status 20/22 Points: 020 Next: Sephiroth vs. Sly Cooper

Heh, it'd be great if CJay used that pic for VJ, where hardly anybody would recognize him. That'd make Tails look even better before it starts. =)
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Viewtiful Joe is awesome, guys. For new characters that haven't done so well we've had this tencancy to rely on sales data as an indicator of potential. It just isn't so. If a game is just that damn cool it'll draw in the voters. Viewtiful Joe is cool. And VJ is hitting the PS2 tomorrow. He's lookin' good.

And Slow, while I love to pretend that I'm on course for a perfect 192 I still find it hard to believe anyone is going to get a perfect bracket this year. It jsut seems like such an unlikely task, especially since it looks like we won't even get any 0s. I'd love a perfect, no doubt, but even then I'm in contention with a few others for first. I have a great bracket, but I also have the "safe" bracket. And this is what it was meant to be. Take no risks, end in the top 50 if everything goes according to plan. My GT bracket that I made is crazy, according to some people, which is why one of my friends has the honor of using it. He didn't know how to make a bracket so I helped him, and his may have had but one first round choice I wouldn't put into mine... Laharl over Vyse. Other than that there are 3 upsets... Luigi over Yoshi, Crono in the finals, and Seph winning.

All I know is that the favorite has never won the contest, and Link looks like the clear favorite. As much as I love Seph he doesn't look like he's ready to beat Cloud. For that I have the safest pick, and for that I have an awesome chance at winning... but it's gonna be tricky.

Oh, and.... *does a BM dance*
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

If you want to take over it's fine with me. This actually works out well since I will have limited computer access for the next two weeks or so and was going to ask for someone to help me with this.

I probably should have been more clear. I wasn't saying that I wanted to take it over, I was just curious if you got the idea from me and didn't say anything. I wouldn't mind doing it, but of course I wouldn't post it until late morning or mid-afternoonish since I'm on the east coast, and once college starts up, who knows. It's probably better for someone who's up at the start of matches to do it.
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You play with your controller in one hand for 85% of the game. If that isn't a gaming experience, I don't know what is. -the jp, on FFX-2

If VJ wins, what do you think of VJ/Dante? That looks like a good match, and you never know what effect VJ coming out on the PS2 will have.

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SC2k4: Rank: T2, Score: 21/22, Picked: Vivi, Voted: Vivi
Solstice (NES) World Record Holder

I don't think VJ would beat Dante. And with the PS2 version Dante will appear, so wans of both will be outright torn. I'm thinking that it's going to be Dante left standing because he has a lot more to work with so far.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

I remember King Morgoth doing it during the Summer 2003 Contest and someone here asked if someone was going to do something like that this year. That's when I started doing it. If you don't mind, I'm fine with doing it. Are you still interested in doing the chart until September 7th? As I said I won't have consistent internet access from tomorrow to September 7th and was looking for someone to temporarily take over for me.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

If VJ does win.. I still see Dante defeating him.. I just don't see VJ being the newcomer and all to be in contention with Dante..

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"I just wanna protect the people I'm with. Doesn't matter whether I can or not. It's what I believe in."
-Zidane (Final Fantasy IX)

But even still, it's Dante. He's had only one good game. The only people he's beaten in this contest are Q-Bert and Ryo Hazuki. I also don't think Dante will benefit from VJ on the PS2. It could be a close one.

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SC2k4: Rank: T2, Score: 21/22, Picked: Vivi, Voted: Vivi
Solstice (NES) World Record Holder

SC2K4 FIRST DRAFT - PAGE 24 - (2) SEPHIROTH vs. (15) SLY COOPER

Disclaimer: This preview series may contain mildly offensive stuff, as well as SPOILERS, not only for the characters discussed, but other stuff as well.

Sephiroth is arguably the third strongest master of this hole, but will he show us the true power of being third? The Non-Wanged Angel is bound to a huge showdown against the prison *****, which tells you all about what kind of characters GameFAQs visitors identify themselves to. j/k... or am I?

Solid Snake having any kind of record seems totally wrong, and this will be our last chance to rectify this for a while. But is Sly really that weak? Of course, he arguably has the smallest wang size out of anyone in the contest (you remember the Ness/Jak preview, right?). Plus, the name of his game sucks ass: -us names only work well for the Roadrunner. The difference is, Wile E. Coyote can actually come close. Sly? Um... he's waiting for the bus along with Gordon Freeman. Don't expect to see him steal Sephy's sword either... just like Gabe Logan and Raziel, he's losing a foot in the ****ing match pic, days before the match begins.

I don't know why I'm bothering to write this, but meh.

NUMBERS OF INTEREST

SC2K3 extrapolated standings
3. Sephiroth - 48.11%
DNE. Sly Cooper

Board Odds Project picks (119 brackets)
Sephiroth - 119
Sly Cooper - 0

Board Odds Project point value
5. Sephiroth - 1625
52. Sly Cooper - 0

CONTEST TRIVIA
In a villain contest, Sephiroth would double up everyone to the exception of Ganondorf.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 022/022 - Matches: 22/22 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: DK - Tomorrow: Sephiroth

Go Vivi
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Megaman will win the contest.
Expect a Board Hunt Soon

Joe is the last first rounder to slightly sweat over...but he is just too cool to lose. Really. Tails...a nobody...a piece of yesteryear...a sidekick peeps dont like much...

I expect numbers like today for those two.
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Steve Illumina: Official Satirical Commentator of SC2K4
Perfects to Fall: 276 SC2K4: 21/23 (Go Vivi!)

Non-Wanged Angel? Didn’t sound that way in that last yaoi fic I read…<_<
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 21/22, Next Winner: Vivi

All I know is that the favorite has never won the contest, and Link looks like the clear favorite.

Based on performance so far, or based on the brackets that we've seen? I was half convinced by some people that Cloud still held the edge for "favorite" status, unless you were referring to brackets...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Hmm. An argument against Joe might be that he's new, but that didn't stop Shadow last year. Still, he might not be too strong just yet, and Tails has put up some decent numbers against mid-to-high level characters like Alucard and Auron. I picked Joe in my bracket, but I'm starting to doubt that...
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Hmph.

Even Dante vs. Tails (though with Dante very likely the winner) might be closer than you would think. Dante still hasn't proved himself in this contest, and Tails might be better than he looks because of how much we underestimated Auron last year.
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Hmph.

TRE - Why don't you keep doing it for as long as you can. If I wake up and find that no one's done it yet, then I'll do it if I'm not too busy.
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You play with your controller in one hand for 85% of the game. If that isn't a gaming experience, I don't know what is. -the jp, on FFX-2

tag.
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See my writings at http://www.alexkaulfuss.com as the GrandioseGadfly
Fujin is the greatest character ever conceived by man.

And with Vivi's win today, I am no longer worried about the first round. Very nice showing by the Black Mage today...
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Mega Man vs. Jim - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Vivi vs. DK - Bracket: Vivi - Vote: DK (21/22)

Dante hasn't proven himself in the same way that Tidus hasn't proven himself. Just because he hasn't beat anyone of importance (Tidus had only beaten Claire Redfield before this year) doesn't mean much.
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Current Pick: Vivi; Current Vote: Vivi; Points: 22/22
VIVI IS THE BLACK MAGE! HE CASTS THE SPELLS THAT MAKES THE MONKEYS FALL DOWN!

and suddenly Kirby looks good for some reason, too.

Please tell me you're not serious. Squall may have underperformed (though he got what he would've been expected to get on 2002 Bomberman), he still did slightly better than Alucard last year. Squall's got that thing won without question, 55% at least.

Oh, and for Viewtiful Joe to be able to beat Dante, he'd have to do as well as Auron did against Tails last year. I just can't see him being that strong this year.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Midgar Division: Round 1 - Match 24 – (2)Sephiroth vs. (15)Sly Cooper

Sephiroth
Game/Series Known From: Final Fantasy VII/Kingdom Hearts
Extrapolated Rank in 2002: 2nd
Extrapolated Rank in 2003: 3rd
Seed in 2002: 7
Seed in 2003: 2
Lost in Final Four to Link in 2002 and to Cloud in the Finals in 2003.

Poor Sephiroth. He has the potential to become Champion, but Link and Cloud are always there to stop him. So close, but so far.

Sly Cooper
Game/Series Known From: Sly Cooper and the Thievius Raccoonus
Extrapolated Rank in 2002: N/A
Extrapolated Rank in 2003: N/A
Seed in 2002: N/A
Seed in 2003: N/A

How the thing even got into the Contest is a mystery. I had no clue of Sly Cooper fans at GameFAQs.

Wow, champion contender vs. Weak newbie. So hard to choose. The raccoon might stealorz a win. Oh noes. Sephyrof usez t3h mazumnae. omg he winz.

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Sephiroth will win.

Moltar’s Prediction is: Sephiroth 88% - Sly 12%



Ulti’s Analysis

Sly Cooper stars in a game entitled 'Sly Cooper and the Thievius Racoonus'. Sephiroth wins by default.

Ulti’s Bracket/Prediction - Sephiroth/Sephiroth with 87.33%



Cena’s Analysis

After the last match, this is a welcomed change. Sephiroth is a favourite to win this. First year he was third, then second, now the natural choice is to have him win it. We'll see about that, though. Sly Cooper isn't any real competition, but he should fare better than Tanner did against Solid. No matter if he gets 5% or 15% he's still complete fodder for Sephy. I'm sure he won't taste good, though.

Cena's Vote: Sephiroth

Cena's Prediction: Sephiroth with 89% (No comment)
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Mega Man vs. Jim - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Vivi vs. DK - Bracket: Vivi - Vote: DK (21/22)

Oh, and for Viewtiful Joe to be able to beat Dante, he'd have to do as well as Auron did against Tails last year.

Why's that?

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SC2k4: Rank: T2, Score: 21/22, Picked: Vivi, Voted: Vivi
Solstice (NES) World Record Holder

Auron ranks 20th, and Dante ranks 21st.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Chances are, Auron is higher than his rank indicates, but then so is Tails, so I guess it all balances out.
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Current Pick: Vivi; Current Vote: Vivi; Points: 22/22
VIVI IS THE BLACK MAGE! HE CASTS THE SPELLS THAT MAKES THE MONKEYS FALL DOWN!

I had no computer access at all for the last two days, so I COMPLETELY missed the Ness/Jak and Auron/Scorpion matches. Damn, i really wanted to show my support for Auron, too.

Anyway, I guess I overestimated someone yet again...first Kefka, now DK. And now I'm out 2 points....
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"Spira is full of death...only SIN is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly."- Auron

And for now, I'm very happy that I picked Cloud to win it all.

Well I'd hope you hadn't lost faith in your winner already. That's one of the things to make sure your happy with him/her before you pick.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

As for Joe vs. Tails, I've said since the beginning that Joe will be the one to win and it shouldn't be a very close match at all. I'm expecting Joe to be strong this year and comeback even stronger the next.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Auron ranks 20th, and Dante ranks 21st.

I don't have a lot of faith in the rankings. Dante is weak, while VJ is untested. VJ had a very popular game on the GCN, which earned him enough nominations for a 5 seed, and it's getting released on the PS2 shortly. I'm not convinced Dante would be able to beat Viewtiful Joe.

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SC2k4: Rank: T2, Score: 21/22, Picked: Vivi, Voted: Vivi
Solstice (NES) World Record Holder

As a big fan of Joe, I can't see him beating Dante. I do believe he'll give Dante a run for his money, but this year I can't see him winning.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I don't have a lot of faith in the rankings. Dante is weak

Since when?
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 21/22, Next Winner: Vivi

Dante did better against Ryo Hazuki than Yoshi did. Can Viewtiful Joe beat Yoshi?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Oh and Chichiri, me and you buddy. Perfect first round. ;)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Me too! Joe and Hayabusa, right?
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Current Pick: Vivi; Current Vote: Vivi; Points: 22/22
VIVI IS THE BLACK MAGE! HE CASTS THE SPELLS THAT MAKES THE MONKEYS FALL DOWN!

Yeah. We got another. =p
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I get to join the club too then ^_^.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Darn crazy Sonic fanboyism....
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Mega Man vs. Jim - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Vivi vs. DK - Bracket: Vivi - Vote: DK (21/22)

As a big fan of Joe, I can't see him beating Dante. I do believe he'll give Dante a run for his money, but this year I can't see him winning.

Why not?

Can Viewtiful Joe beat Yoshi?

With his game coming out on the PS2, maybe.

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SC2k4: Rank: T2, Score: 21/22, Picked: Vivi, Voted: Vivi
Solstice (NES) World Record Holder

All I need is for Luigi to upset Yoshi to separate myself from the pack...
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Current Pick: Vivi; Current Vote: Vivi; Points: 22/22
VIVI IS THE BLACK MAGE! HE CASTS THE SPELLS THAT MAKES THE MONKEYS FALL DOWN!

Because I cannot see Joe being that strong this year. Make no mistake, Dante is not weak.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Yeah, perhaps "weak" was a poor choice of words. In any case, I don't really have an opinion on who will win right now, but I don't think that match is a "gimme," either.

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SC2k4: Rank: T2, Score: 21/22, Picked: Vivi, Voted: Vivi
Solstice (NES) World Record Holder

Yoshi will beat Luigi and Joe will beat Tails.

Done.
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Mega Man vs. Jim - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Vivi vs. DK - Bracket: Vivi - Vote: DK (21/22)

Switch Yoshi and Luigi around, and then you're done.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Yoshi will beat Luigi

I doubt it.

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SC2k4: Rank: T2, Score: 21/22, Picked: Vivi, Voted: Vivi
Solstice (NES) World Record Holder

Yoshi will beat Luigi and Joe will beat Tails.

Correct!
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

There is no way in the world Joe would be as popular as Yoshi. Joe has been in ONE game, whereas Yoshi has a legacy of popular games to fall back on.
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"Get over here."--Scorpion

Yet Crono would thrash Yoshi, would he not? Same thing with Auron. Number of games means nothing.

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SC2k4: Rank: T2, Score: 21/22, Picked: Vivi, Voted: Vivi
Solstice (NES) World Record Holder

Switch "Joe" with "Vivi" and "Yoshi" with "Donkey Kong" and you have the arguments as to why Vivi couldn't win today. Number of games and the legacy of a character doesn't mean that much.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

The number of games doesn't equal your strength. There's nothing to say, right now, that Joe couldn't beat Yoshi. Just that it seems unlikely.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Fair enough.

However, Vietiful Joe is in no way, shape or form, anywhere close to being as popular as Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy X are on this site.
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"Get over here."--Scorpion

Vote totals are good so far for this match. This match is within about 1800 votes of the last match at the same time.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Match #22 Review:

Excellent showing from Auron...but it sure as hell won't save him against Cloud.

Match #24 Preview:

Four words:

Mah. Sah. Moo. Nay.
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-Phediuk

Mah. Sah. Moo. Nay.

???????????????????
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Ma-sa-mu-ne

also known as Sephy's big sword
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BtT: 4:02.55 | HRC: 50,053.8 ft OV aaaargh
Crash.

Mah. Sah. Moo. Nay = Masamune pronunciation.
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Fate has no mercy for those whose ability does not match their ambition.
History has no mercy for those whose ambition does not match their ability.

Excellent showing from Auron...but it sure as hell won't save him against Cloud.

Of course he'll blow past Sephy. Auron's got that no problem.
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Mega Man vs. Jim - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Vivi vs. DK - Bracket: Vivi - Vote: DK (21/22)

Awesome! Vivi's winning, and i'm only gonna have, at most, 2 losses until at least round 3. Round 2 is just a peace of cake anyway.

As a side note, Viewtiful Joe comes out tomorrow!
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TheRye pwned me so badly during the Ness/Jak match that I wont' be able to sit for a week.

Of course he'll blow past Sephy. Auron's got that no problem.

No kidding. Of course Auron will beat Sephiroth...

...in a drinking contest, that is.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 21/22, Next Winner: Vivi

Mah. Sah. Moo. Nay = Masamune pronunciation.

Are you serious? I've always been pronouncing it Mass-uh-mune (last syllable rhymes with rune).
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You play with your controller in one hand for 85% of the game. If that isn't a gaming experience, I don't know what is. -the jp, on FFX-2

So, there is no hope for Jill?
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God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. - cyko
Summer Contest 2004: 20/21

Hmmm, I've missed a lot. I had to drive up to school and move into my apartment over the weekend. As pissed as I am about Jak losing, I'm equally thrilled at Vivi's performance.

I think Jak's was supported based on him being a better and more popular character overall instead of being such on GAMEFAQS. I think Ulti pointed this out. Sound logic. Why didn't you use the same logic for Vivi? Especially since you actually LIKE him. I know DK is popular, but the same logic you pointed out about Jak/Ness could have been applied.

That being said, I'm thrilled that Vivi is doing so well. FFIX is my sentimental favorite out of all the post-SNES FF games. I'm glad Vivi is getting the support that he deserves. It's nice to see FFIX get it's chance in the limelight. However, I do NOT want Zidane in this contest. I do not want him to mess up the good FFIX vibe if he were to bomb. FFIX is kinda like the cute, quiet girl that no one pays attention to. Everyone always goes after the dime piece that has been around the block (FFVII).

Tails/Joe: If this was Sonic 2 Tails, then this would be no contest. Tails rocked. However, Tails has turned into a complete PANSY since the Genesis days. Characters like Knuckles and Shadow have easily replaced him in popularity. It's being given theme songs like "I Wanna Fly High" that have killed Tails.

When all alone in my chair, I just go about wishing
I wanna be strong, I really wanna be trusted
When all alone in my bed, I just go about yearning
I wanna be cool, I also wanna be like him

Are you kidding?????

I just bought Viewtiful Joe after the price drop. Kick ass game. And it's suprisingly challenging! Can you believe it? And sticking to the GAMEFAQS voting theme, I'm SURE that people who have that game have come on to Gamefaqs because Hulk Davidson keeps kicking their ass. Plus with all the exposure Joe gets, in addition to his overall appearance, game sales don't mean a thing in this instance. He's freakin VIEWTIFUL. The epitome of a video game character. <_<


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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Henshin a go-go, baby!
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

If Vivi ends up at 56%, he'd be expected to get 27.86% on Cloud and end up between Zelda and non-adjusted Auron. However, DK could be one of those "mainstream fodder" characters that Chichiri is talking about, and that could of boosted him up a bit last year. That would bump Vivi down a notch and would help get rid of some of that massive DK/Mario SFF.

The further this contest progresses, the more that that theory makes sense. Fortunately for me, Luigi is still the statistical favorite against Yoshi using Pac's 2k2 numbers. ;)
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Current Pick: Vivi; Current Vote: Vivi; Points: 22/22
Henshin a go-go, baby!

**** the proper pronunciation. It will forever be known in my house as "Mass-uh-mune."

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SC2k4: Rank: T2, Score: 21/22, Picked: Vivi, Voted: Vivi
Solstice (NES) World Record Holder

This match has convinced me that there is a Final Fantasy Factor.
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I lost my perfect bracket! Now I'm going to get pwned by <insert username here> in the Guru Contest! Ugh!!!

Chichiri, go to this topic plz? http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=15880823

You know more about that stuff than anyone.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

So I'm assuming you choose to neglect Kefka-Knuckles then? There is a Final Fantasy force, and there's absolutely no doubt about that. It may be the biggest series on this site, but it does not equal instant win. People are voting for Vivi because they actually like him; not because he's the FF Black Mage. And it looks like he actually CAN beat all of the characters Ulti said he couldn't before.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

*yawn*

it's gonna be a dull couple of days. anyone think any perfects will actually drop over the next two days? i bet that one perfect will go with Sly and Terry each....... maybe.....

aww..... forget it. i need a nap.

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

Match XXII: (3) Auron vs. (14) Scorpion Review

Auron beat Scorpion, 64.85% - 35.15%

Well Auron blew Scorpion by more then I thought. Even with my Mario vs. Cloud Theory the most Auron could’ve gotten was 62%, but if you use the full 64.85% that would put Auron between Solid Snake and Magus so that would make him stronger then Tidus so there is only one thing to say about Auron’s increase, Scorpion losing popularity. I say almost 3% of Auron’s gain was because of Scorpion’s fall in popularity which is fine since he hasn’t had a game in a while. Doesn’t really matter Auron will crush Ness next round by more then he did to Scorpion.

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Summer 2004 Contest 20/22 Donkey Kong vs. Vivi

Match XXIV: (2) Sephiroth vs. (15) Sly Preview

Past Performances:

Sephiroth: 2002

Defeated Gabe, 87.71% - 12.29%
Defeated Crash, 81.52% - 18.48%
Defeated Mega Man, 50.51% - 49.49%
Defeated Samus, 52.64% - 47.36%
Lost to Link, 43.35% - 56.65%
Ranked: 2nd

Sephiroth: 2003

Defeated Raziel, 82.00% - 18.00%
Defeated Max, 82.67% - 17.33%
Defeated Alucard, 72.28% - 27.72%
Defeated Mario, 61.60% - 38.40%
Defeated Mega Man, 61.18% - 38.82%
Lost to Cloud, 48.11% - 51.89%
Ranked: 3rd

Sly: 2002

Did not attend
Ranked: N/A

Sly: 2003

Did not attend
Ranked: N/A

Analysis:

Sephiroth is from Final Fantasy VII. Sephiroth is the third and final member of the Big 3 and also has a chance to win this year’s summer contest. In 2002 Sephiroth destroyed the competition. He slaughtered both Gabe and Crash and defeated probably the toughest characters at that time and was the closest to beat Link at the time. In 2003 Sephiroth got a huge boost from Kingdom Heart and totally destroyed the competition he doubled his first three opponents and beat Mario by almost Link like levels and his rematch with Mega Man was no where close anymore though he did lose to Cloud who gain even more from Kingdom Hearts, but Sephiroth is almost equal to Link now. This year Sephiroth enters the competition and is ready to slaughter his first three opponents before having a rematch against Cloud. How will he do this time?

Sly is from Sly Cooper and the Thievius Raccoonus. Sly is also another new character in this contest. Sly’s game is almost like Ratchet’s game and Ratchet himself isn’t a strong character so Sly will make a very good fodder. So even though Sly is destine to lose his first match the question is by how much? Even though Sly is new here we could use Ratchet’s performance last year to tell how well Sly will do in his first round match, but Sly isn’t Ratchet he could be stronger or weaker then him, but we can use Ratchet to give us some kind of idea.

Well after an exciting division we’ll finish this off with a boring blowout. The only thing we should look out for is if Sephiroth could beat out Solid Snake’s percentage against Tanner. Well if Sephiroth is going to join the 90% club then this is the match for him to do it. But how weak can Sly be compared to Jak or Ratchet?

Well out of those three if you ask me I say that Sly is the weakest of the three. I haven’t even heard of Sly before this contest, yet I’ve heard of Jak and Ratchet before. Though he did get into this contest so he must have fans somewhere on this site, right? Well I can’t say so much for Tanner so I guess it may have been a fluke him getting in. Though I do think Sly is more popular then Tanner, but since Sephiroth is stronger then Solid Snake he can still beat him by more.

Sephiroth has more then quadruple his first and second round opponents in the past two years and it looks like he’ll easily quadruple Sly too, but I don’t think he would be able to do that to his second round opponent (if he does then give him the gold right there). So I guess he should make the best of it. This isn’t going to be pretty.

What will it take Sephiroth to have a good chance of winning this contest? Well beating Cloud in a rematch is going to be hard, but if Sephiroth gets a higher percent against Sly then Solid Snake did against Tanner I would say that Sephiroth may have a very good chance of winning, but we won’t know for sure with all of the SFF matches he’ll be having until his match with Cloud himself.

Charmander’s Bracket: Sly (j/k Sephiroth)

Charmander’s Prediction: Sephiroth wins, 88.16% - 11.84%

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Summer 2004 Contest 20/22 Donkey Kong vs. Vivi

Looks like Vivi's going to win with nearly 56.5% and 11,000 more votes than DK. Overhyped much?
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Current Pick: Sephiroth; Current Vote: Sephiroth; Points: 23/23
Henshin a go-go, baby!

Score-Brackets-% Right
22----276------46.0144928
21----1644-----44.3430657
20----3558-----37.6053963
19----5124-----35.6557377
18----6032-----33.4880637
17----5586-----32.9931973
16----4402-----33.3939119
15----2994-----34.4021376
14----1813-----35.3557639
13----885------34.4632768
12----439------35.5353075
11----191------38.7434555
10----66-------27.2727273
9-----28-------28.5714286
8-----17-------23.5294118
7-----6--------33.3333333
6-----1--------0.0000000
5-----10-------50.0000000
4-----33-------66.6666667
3-----30-------40.0000000
2-----38-------52.6315789
1-----42-------33.3333333
0-----6--------66.6666667

All things considered, the perfects did quite well in this match. They did quite a bit better than the average but still less than half got it right. The Zeros however were decimated. 4 of the 6 had Vivi winning the match. Now only 2 zeros remain.

The top 50 was also decimated. 27 people fell from the Top 50 today. Krillin373, Rat Guy, classyguy86, i luv zelda 89, Blitz Ace the 4th, AnarchicActivist, martygras918, schuman, Offzpring, mattman3680, darkTW, ATF, tallgeese4, MasonTwo, kirby dude, VincentDeath655, PsyJack, Kiosk Wocky, Unkindar, TheQuizMaster, chaooftime, Blaze12, highjeenx, Dark Shiek, FastFalcon05, Eric43 and MUKMASTER2 are no longer on the top 50. Fireblade02, the person with HK-47 taking the contest moved up 21 places from 41st to 20th.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

Today is August 24. What's special about August 24? Samus vs Sonic was the closest match of 2002. Mario vs Crono was the closest match of 2003. Both involved a stunning comeback by a Nintendo character to take the win. Both occured on August 24 of their respective years. In fact, every PotD on August 24 has been Nintendo related. Anybody think DK would have beaten Vivi had there been at least one delay in the contest? It looks like this year will not be upholding that tradition as Sephiroth vs Sly Cooper will be anything but close. As a side note today is also the birthday of a certain admin, you can probably guess which one.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

TRE, where do you keep all this information O_o?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

TRE, where do you keep all this information O_o?

Heh. I keep copies of things I find interesting.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

TRE,
Do you have all the Score Distributions after each match stored somewhere? I'd love to see them if you do.


Vivi was a huge underdog, but still won with room to spare. Another blow to the bracket voting idea (not like any was needed). Only 127 perfects left--but I don't expect Jill vs. Ryu to undo that many (unless Jill wins), because the seeding difference between them is so big (not just because people might look at the seeds, but also because Ryu's seed indicates a very high level of support for him--people would probably be inclined to pick him in their brackets).

So Tails vs. Joe is the only "tough" 1st round match left that might wreck a lot of perfects--though I'm thinking that Ryu vs. KOS-MOS, Sora vs. HK-47, and Sam Fisher vs. Gordon Freeman might also take a lot of perfects with them, no matter how obvious they seem to us. I think Ryu vs. KOS-MOS especially will take a good number of perfects down.


Right now Sephiroth seems to have stabilized just under 85%. He'll probably go up a point and a half or a couple points with the day vote to something like 86.5% , I'd guess.
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Data for all matches - http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php
SC2K4.com/Frog

Heh. I keep copies of things I find interesting.

I need to do that >.>.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Top 10 Biggest Blowouts (difference in percentage)

1) 88.60% - Solid Snake over Tanner
2) 75.66% - Link over CATS
3) 67.08% - Mario over J.C. Denton
4) 65.98% - Bowser over Guybrush Threepwood
5) 65.96% - Megaman over Eartworm Jim
6) 62.08% - Magus over Luca Blight
7) 60.38% - Cloud over Duke Milk'em
8) 55.98% - Crono over Conker
9) 52.80% - Yoshi over Ryo Hazuki
10) 43.44% - Zero over Protoman

Top 10 Biggest Vote Gaps (difference in votes)

1) 69759 - Solid Snake over Tanner
2) 62319 - Link over CATS
3) 55813 - Megaman over Earthworm Jim
4) 53705 - Cloud over Duke Milk'em
5) 52337 - Mario over J.C. Denton
6) 49079 - Bowser over Guybrush Threepwood
7) 44770 - Crono over Conker
8) 43761 - Magus over Luca Blight
9) 41506 - Yoshi over Ryo Hazuki
10) 35324 - Zero over Protoman

Top 10 Closest Matches (difference in percentage)

1) 0.10% - Frog over Liquid Snake
2) 1.62% - Tidus over Shadow the Hedgehog
3) 10.16% - Ness over Jak
4) 12.94% - Vivi over Donkey Kong
5) 14.32% - Ganondorf over Alucard
6) 14.92% - Knuckles over Kefka
7) 20.46% - Vyse over Laharl
8) 23.92% - Tommy Vercetti over Max Payne
9) 29.30% - Kirby over Kain
10) 29.50% - Squall over Bomberman

Top 10 Smallest Vote Gaps (difference in votes)

1) 93 - Frog over Liquid Snake
2) 1546 - Tidus over Shadow the Hedgehog
3) 7397 - Ness over Jak
4) 11105 - Vivi over Donkey Kong
5) 12358 - Knuckles over Kefka
6) 12533 - Ganondorf over Alucard
7) 14072 - Vyse over Laharl
8) 18618 - Tommy Vercetti over Max Payne
9) 23576 - Kirby over Kain
10) 23943 - Squall over Bomberman

Top 10 Most Popular Polls (by vote totals)

1) 95122 - Tidus vs. Shadow the Hedgehog
2) 90064 - Auron vs. Scorpion
3) 88953 - Cloud vs. Duke Milk'em
4) 87733 - Frog vs. Liquid Snake
5) 87557 - Ganondorf vs. Alucard
6) 85781 - Vivi vs. Donkey Kong
7) 84625 - Megaman vs. Earthworm Jim
8) 82798 - Kefka vs. Knuckles
9) 82369 - Link vs. CATS
10) 81310 - Zero vs. Protoman

Top 10 Least Popular Polls (by vote totals)

1) 68808 - Vyse vs. Laharl
2) 70495 - Magus vs. Luca Blight
3) 72863 - Ness vs. Jak
4) 74383 - Bowser vs. Guybrush Threepwood
5) 75307 - Luigi vs. Pac-Man
6) 77021 - Master Cheif vs. Crash Bandicoot
7) 77860 - Tommy Vercetti vs. Max Payne
8) 78031 - Mario vs. J.C. Denton
9) 78608 - Yoshi vs. Ryo Hazuki
10) 78743 - Solid Snake over Tanner

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

Top 10 Highest Individual Votes

1) 74251 - Solid Snake
2) 72344 - Link
3) 71329 - Cloud
4) 70219 - Megaman
5) 65184 - Mario
6) 62375 - Crono
7) 61731 - Bowser
8) 60057 - Yoshi
9) 58404 - Auron
10) 58317 - Zero

Top 10 Lowest Individual Votes

1) 4492 - Tanner
2) 10025 - CATS
3) 12652 - Guybrush Threepwood
4) 12847 - J.C. Denton
5) 13367 - Luca Blight
6) 14406 - Earthworm Jim
7) 17605 - Conker
8) 17624 - Duke Milk'em
9) 18551 - Ryo Hazuki
10) 22552 - Crash Bandicoot

Top 10 Most Impressive Losers (by votes)

1) 46788 - Shadow the Hedgehog
2) 43820 - Liquid Snake
3) 37512 - Alucard
4) 37338 - Donkey Kong
5) 35220 - Lettuce Kefka
6) 32733 - Jak
7) 31660 - Scorpion
8) 29621 - Max Payne
9) 28597 - Bomberman
10) 28436 - Kain

Top 10 Least Impressive Winners (by votes)

1) 40130 - Ness
2) 41440 - Vyse
3) 43913 - Frog
4) 47578 - Knuckles
5) 48239 - Tommy Vercetti
6) 48334 - Tidus
7) 48443 - Vivi
8) 50045 - Ganondorf
9) 51008 - Luigi
10) 52012 - Kirby

Top 10 Easiest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner)

1) 98.79% - Link over CATS
2) 98.28% - Mario over J.C. Denton
3) 97.97% - Cloud over Duke Milk'em
4) 97.47% - Megaman over Earthworm Jim
5) 97.27% - Solid Snake over Tanner
6) 95.00% - Bowser over Guybrush Threepwood
7) 93.43% - Crono over Conker
8) 90.45% - Magus over Luca Blight
9) 86.41% - Zero over Protoman
10) 85.16% - Yoshi over Ryo Hazuki

Top 10 Hardest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner)

1) 35.13% - Vivi over Donkey Kong
2) 43.05% - Knuckles over Kefka
3) 44.33% - Frog over Liquid Snake
4) 54.16% - Ness over Jak
5) 63.02% - Ganondorf over Alucard
6) 66.71% - Vyse over Laharl
7) 68.69% - Luigi over Pac-Man
8) 70.06% - Tidus over Shadow the Hedgehog
9) 70.14% - Auron over Scorpion
10) 74.21% - Kirby over Kain

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

Wow, I'm not surprised that DK was the bracket favorite, but I still didn't expect Vivi's prediction percentage to be THAT low.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Hey, I'm still in the top 1,000...nice.

Donkey Kong has always seemed to be WAY overestimated by bracket makers in the past...70% had him getting out of the Aya Brea/Bub/Terry Bogard 4-pack, which was a higher prediction percentage than CLOUD getting out of his 4-pack in 2002. I think DK might actually be the favorite against Luigi, Yoshi, or Bowser, too...

Well, we're undoubtedly going to have less than 50 perfects by the end of the round now, huh? At least I hope. Should Tails or Jill Valentine pulls through, we might be able to count the perfects on two hands by then.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Well I called it...DK was finally put in his place. Good riddance...ape!

Next prediction: We will be at around 75 perfects after Ryu takes out KOSMOS.

My satirical commentary resumes in 8 days :) I KNOW u are all excited! :)
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Steve Illumina: Official Satirical Commentator of SC2K4
Perfects to Fall: 127 SC2K4: 22/24 (Go Ryu!)

35% is a bit lower than I expected, but still, not terribly shocking. If only I would have known to pick Ness =(
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...and it begins! 191/192 (stupid Ness) Next tough match: V. JOE vs. Tails

I expected DK to be the favorite, but not by this much. 35%? This is the biggest first round upset in a Summer Contest, EVER, surpassing Kefka over Pac-Man, I believe.

Of course, it doesn't even come close to the first chapter of the Starcraft saga. Duh.

And has anyone noticed how glitched the times in the posts are in this topic? I'm posting this at 9:25 Eastern... let's see what comes out.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 022/023 - Matches: 22/23 - Rank: 00128/33221 - Today: Sephiroth - Tomorrow: Sonic

Wait a second... the times were all weird before I posted, and once I did everything came back to normal. Never mind.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 022/023 - Matches: 22/23 - Rank: 00128/33221 - Today: Sephiroth - Tomorrow: Sonic

TRE,
Do you have all the Score Distributions after each match stored somewhere? I'd love to see them if you do.

Only for the current contest. I have the raw data used to calculate the Score Distributions for the previous two contests, but I won't get a chance to do that for a while.

The Summer 2004 Score Distributions can be found here:
http://members.shaw.ca/teamrocketelite/ScoreDistributionsSum2004.xls

It's a copy and paste of the data from a different Excel file. After Round 17 I alter the formula I use to automatically multiple the % result by 100.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

DK the bracket favorite and getting ass whooped? I'm losing confidence in Ryu.H beating Jill now...
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Umm...WOW. 65% picked DK and he lost? If bracket voting has any kind of effect on these matches, do you realise how strong that makes Vivi?

Now that I think about it, BMF (Black Mage factor) may partially explain this. Before the contest, plenty of the people making brackets would not know who Vivi is. Come voting day, they see the pic of badass Black Mage vs. stretched DK, and vote BM. Still, I'd be interested to see Vivi come back as a 4/5/6 seed(3 is probably too high), where he has a chance of advancing to the sweet 16.
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Theifenburg Uncertainty Principle - Without any witnesses, who's to say what happened?

Estuans interius
Ira vehementi
Estuans interius
Ira vehementi
Sephiroth
Sephiroth

...yes, I do play "One-Winged Angel" while I vote for Sephiroth...it's just right.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 22/23, Next Winner: Sephiroth

I think 6-seed is about right. He's right where we thought Auron was!
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 022/023 - Matches: 22/23 - Rank: 00128/33221 - Today: Sephiroth - Tomorrow: Sonic

I didn't think there were any of these people left, but there's still atleast one perfect bracket that has no chance in hell of making it.

20 Fireblade02 23 HK-47 (Star Wars KOTOR)

I wonder if he'll get all the way to Sora Vs. HK. I don't think we've had any of these guys actually get to the match where they picked the uber underdog.
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Theifenburg Uncertainty Principle - Without any witnesses, who's to say what happened?

Vincent27. Protoman. 'Nuff said.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 022/023 - Matches: 22/23 - Rank: 00128/33221 - Today: Sephiroth - Tomorrow: Sonic

^Oh yeah. Nevermind the last part of that post.
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Theifenburg Uncertainty Principle - Without any witnesses, who's to say what happened?

Only 10 more minutes before I can get the password to my main account...-_-

Match #23 Review:

Well, this looks Vivi look pretty damn good, doesn't it? I definitely didn't expect him to take the win so easily, though I never had too much doubt in him being able to win.

Match #25 Preview:

I wonder if Terry can break 25%...it seems entirely possible.
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-Phediuk

When the perfects run out, and if it's still in the second round, I fully expect to see at least one more favorite-bracket.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Perfects will not run out until the Elite Eight and Mario vs Crono III.
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Assassin for Hire.
G-G-G-G-GO FROG!

Hmm... Wonder if it'll go below fifty by the end of round one, though? The Chaos Division has a few matches that'll be a bit nasty.
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Hmph.

I hope it goes under 50...I'm probably the last perfect to change my bracket. I wanna be on the leaderboard, dammit!
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Current Pick: Sephiroth; Current Vote: Sephiroth; Points: 23/23
Henshin a go-go, baby!

The Chaos division, barring any surprises, will whittle away slowly but surely on the perfects. There's not much left in the way of big matches.

Ryu winning will take a few, but I don't think it'll leave us at 75.
Joe winning may take as much away as Ryu. Thne we'll surely be aroudn 75, maybe a tad lower.
Ryu H's vicotry over Jill may come as a shock to many, and then with all the other matches taking 3-4 each on average we should be under 50 after round 1.

What, no Sora HK, you say? Of course not, other than the one guy who has HK-47 going all the way I'm pretty sure the perfects are going to be decissively in favor of Sora.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Accuracy of the XS: Midgar Division

Winner/XS Pred/Actual %/Difference
Cloud__82.14% 80.19% _ -1.95%
Squall__69.12% 64.75% _ -4.37%
Auron__56.94% 64.85% _ 7.91%

Only 3 matches with returning characters, and they're all Final Fantasy characters. Anyway, Cloud got Milkem'd and it cost him about 2 points, and Bomberman pulled a reverse Crash and went back up to his 2k2 levels. That cost Squall a couple of points, unless of course KHF is wearing off. Auron slaughtered Scorpion, making it clear that he suffered SFF against Cloud. However, I still think that Scorp decreased as well, putting Auron around Aeris and Squall instead of Magus and Snake.
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Current Pick: Sephiroth; Current Vote: Sephiroth; Points: 23/23
Henshin a go-go, baby!

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

who do you guys think will win between sam and gordon? i know you all seem pretty sure about who will win, but i havnt seen anyone say who it is, and im not exactly confident in my pick of sam.

1. Gordon Freeman Never Wins. Ever.

2. Extrapolated Stats have Sam getting around 66.31 (if my math is right) on Gordon

Sam will win. It wont even be exciting.
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Summer Contest Match 23 Sephiroth vs. Sly Cooper
Status 20/22 Points: 020 Next: Sonic the Hedgehog vs. Terry Bogard

awesome thanks.

another question: did any of you pick tails or did you all go with joe? i picked tails and i do think he has a decent chance to win, even if he may be the underdog.

Gordon did take a large leap forward from 2k2 to 2k3... I think the Xst won't eve be close this time...
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

But yeah, Sam still wins easily.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Just browsing through Wikipedia, and the GameFAQs entry is quite interesting. This board gets a mention:

Summer Contest is the board where people talk about the Summer Character Contest, a huge event at GameFAQs. This board has evolved since 2002 for the most part independently from the other boards mentioned. One well-known event on these boards has happened 2 years in a row, directly after Crono's loss to Mario in both tournaments, each by around 100 votes. Mass account suicides, flaming/trolling, and even accusations of CJayC cheating ensued for days after both times. This board is also known for the constant flame wars between certain groups of users, and the word "fanboy" is horribly overused.

Sounds about right :-)
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Jon Thomson - today: DK, tomorrow: Sephiroth - 18/22
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

^^ Best summary of this board EVER.
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Current Score: 21/23
Today's Pick: Sephiroth

I think we'll be under 50 before the end of the first round and damn it what does it take to get on that leaderboard?
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Where does Sly Cooper's performance against Sephiroth today put him? Above or below Ratchet?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

A little above CATS.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

So Sly is actually stronger than Ratchet? Surprising.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Assuming no oddities.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Terry is ready to kick some ass...

...okay, rightfully he should, but we can hope for that 30%.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

So Sly is actually stronger than Ratchet? Surprising.

Not especially. Sly's the star of his game (soon to be games), and there's nobody in his cast who really comes close to his popularity, not even Carmelita. Whereas Ratchet has Clank, who seems to be a fan favourite himself.
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The Besaid Aurochs are the worst of the best at blitzball. Now, can they beat the best of the worst? Find out at www.rpgdl.com

Ah yes, Clank. I love that little guy. I think he actually could do better than Ratchet if he got in the contest, though that's not saying much.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Sly owns, I can't wait for his new game.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

If Terry gets 30% on Sonic, I'm gonna need a new pair of underwear.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Man, I'd be so happy to see 30%. =)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Hoping for 25% is more realistic. Terry is cool and all, but I can't see, nor would I like to see, Terry do almost as well as Ken.
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The only reason this is here is because posts without sigs look ugly.

"Hoping for 25% is more realistic."

No one needs to hope for 25%. Terry getting 25% on Sonic is easy. That's why there's a push for 30%, it shows that Terry was badly underestimated and that he can still kick some ass.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Sonic is slipping... but I don't think he's slipped that much. If Aya can get 65% on Terry I'd hope that Sonic could at least manage beyond 75%
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The only reason this is here is because posts without sigs look ugly.

*Yeah, I just saw so sue me.*

Geez, talk about no bracket support. Only 35% had Vivi, I figured it be just under 50%. Oh well....
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Mega Man vs. Jim - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Vivi vs. DK - Bracket: Vivi - Vote: DK (21/22)

Chaos Division: Round 1 - Match 25 – (1)Sonic vs. (16)Terry Bogard

Moltar’s Analysis

Sonic
Game/Series Known From: Sonic Series
Extrapolated Rank in 2002: 5th
Extrapolated Rank in 2003: 10th
Seed in 2002: 1
Seed in 2003: 2
Lost in Sweet 16 to Samus in 2002 and to Cloud in the Elite 8 in 2003.

Who woulda thought that after Sonic’s less-than-impressive performace last year, he would come back and nab a 1-seed? Amazing.

Terry Bogard
Game/Series Known From: King of Fighters Series
Extrapolated Rank in 2002: 60th
Extrapolated Rank in 2003: N/A
Seed in 2002: 5
Seed in 2003: N/A
Lost in Round 1 to Aya Brea in 2002.
One of the most overseeded characters in the 2002 Contest.

...*weeps for humanity* Remember Moltar...the USERS nominated the characters...so he must have some fans.

Another mystery. When you lose to someone like Aya Brea, you DO NOT want to show your face in a GameFAQs Contest ever again. You don’t take a year off and then come back...*sigh* Sonic, just take care of this...

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Sonic will win.

Moltar’s Prediction is: Sonic 80% - Terry 20%


Ulti’s Analysis

Terry Bogard was blown out by Aya Brea in 2002 before not even being in the contest in 2003. He has no chance, and this match should serve as nothing more than a buildup for how tough this division is.

Ulti’s Bracket/Prediction - Sonic/Sonic with 81.83%



Cena’s Analysis

You know, I really want to say this match is going to be a blowout, but apparently, Sonic sucks now. Terry is one bad-ass son of a *****, so it wouldn't surprise me if he gets a good amount of votes on the popularity-decreasing hedgehog. Yes, I finally said it. Sonic's popularity is decreasing. Why? Knuckles was losing to Kefka until the evening vote. That and I guess Sonic Heroes did make a bad impression on Sonic fans, and the whole gaming industry as a whole. Plus, Shadow actually lost to Tidus. You can't get much worse than that. I'm sorry, Sonic buddy. You're one of my all-time favourite characters, but if you can get over 75%, I'll actually have faith in you. Not much analysis on Terry, because I never played KoF (I believe that's his series), but all I know is he looks like a trucker, but kicks some serious ass. He's like an ass-kicking Ashton Kutcher.

Cena's Vote: Sonic

Cena's Prediction: Sonic with 70% (This match will determine how much the Sonic series has fallen, because Terry should be considered fodder)
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Mega Man vs. Jim - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Vivi vs. DK - Bracket: Vivi - Vote: DK (21/22)

Ulti’s Bracket/Prediction - Sonic/Sonic with 81.83%

Hah. Yeah, right. Cena's got the right idea. ;)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Knuckles was losing to Kefka until the evening vote.

Hopefully that's a typo.

And there's no shame in losing to Tidus either. He's only the strongest FF character not named Cloud or Sephiroth. Well, we thought so anyway. Auron made his case two days ago, so it's close.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 8/24/2004 5:09:06 PM | Message Detail
Ulti’s Bracket/Prediction - Sonic/Sonic with 81.83%

Hah. Yeah, right. Cena's got the right idea. ;)

Someone has't seen me beating ass in the analysis topic lately.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Ulti obviously didn't take into consideration the SFF that DK suffered in 2k2 while he made that oracle pick. In fact, no one did except Cena, though he may have gone a bit over. 70/30 is our goal, but even I don't think it's all that likely.

I'm really ashamed of all of you, clearly 75/25 is the safest bet and the further away from that you go the smaller your chances of actually being correct are.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

"Someone has't seen me beating ass in the analysis topic lately."

Someone forgot that I'm still around.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Someone has't seen me beating ass in the analysis topic lately.

Among you three? It really isn't to hard to do that with the percentages I've seen overall. Honestly, I haven't checked the topic. However, I've done my own ass kicking in the Oracle Challenge.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

~125 perfects. 80 after KOS-MOS loses, 50 after Tails loses, 30 after Jill loses (including a few on the matches inbetween), 25 after Gordon loses is my sketchy prediction.

I think we'll have around 25 at the end of the round. Nice to finally be on the leaderboard, I submitted right away I thought *shrug*



If you agree, thats about 20% making it. The probability of one or two of the zeros making it is then 36%, which isn't too promising.

I wouldn't mind being in the upper half of the top 50 by then end of round one, and you DO have the matches correct... so it's possible.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

The more that fall the better.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Is anyone with me when I say that I will weep for the future if even one perfect bracket is gone after this match? There's no way anyone with a perfect for THIS long seriously thought Sly would beat Sephy, is there?
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"Spira is full of death...only SIN is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly."- Auron

One more perfect down is one step closer to the leaderboard for me. I'd be delighted, and hey, the perfects have yet to be perfect, so it could happen. I changed my tie breaker on the 26thish, though, so I'll be one of the last perfects to break into the leaderboard. Right after Luigi beats Yoshi.
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Current Pick: Sephiroth; Current Vote: Sephiroth; Points: 23/23
Henshin a go-go, baby!

I bet that there was at least one person who went for a perfect first round...except that they put Lara Croft over Samus on purpose. Personally, I would find that pretty damn funny and possible.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Some times people jsut go fo impossibly long shots in an attempt to win. Dunno why. Anyway, we might see one miss on today's match.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Right after Luigi beats Yoshi.

It won't take that long. We'll be down to less than 50 after Ryu beats Jill, I bet.

.

50 after Tails loses

How about you don't make it seem like Joe is the undeniable shoe-in for this match...
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Joe has the match won.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

How about you don't make it seem like Joe is the undeniable shoe-in for this match...

But he is the shoe in. Viewtiful Joe has come out on the Playstation 2 today, it has been one of the most popular and acclaimed games on the Gamecube.

Joe will take away all Nintendo votes that Tails COULD have gotten, and now that Joe has made his image known on the Playstation 2, there is no way Tails will win.

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TheRye pwned me so badly during the Ness/Jak match that I wont' be able to sit for a week.

How about you don't make it seem like Joe is the undeniable shoe-in for this match...

Being confident = instant win. Or instant lose. But either way, show some backbone.
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... Whither the blue-haired one?
G-G-G-G-GO FROG!

Tch. Luigi beating Yoshi is a joke.
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Nominate Geno for the Summer Contest!
All Your pH level>7 Are Belong To Us. - DarkRaptorX

When has Capcom ever presented us with a character in the contest that couldn't beat Tails, eh?

Come on... If ther was one, in was some nobody in the first contest.
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The only reason this is here is because posts without sigs look ugly.

Yoshi should be able to take down Luigi.
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TheRye pwned me so badly during the Ness/Jak match that I wont' be able to sit for a week.

When has Capcom ever presented us with a character in the contest that couldn't beat Tails, eh?

So true. It's not like Joe has to shock the world in strength by beating Tails either.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

When has Capcom ever presented us with a character in the contest that couldn't beat Tails, eh?

That logic is so faulty I don't think I need dignify it with a response. Oh well, I will anyway.

How many characters has Capcom had in the contest PERIOD?

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"Oooh oooh, aaah aaah!!"--Donkey Kong

so joe is stronger than jak?
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If you're worried people are talking about you... you're probably right.

How many characters has Capcom had in the contest PERIOD?

Mega Man, Zero, Ryu, Dante, and Jill Valentine. All rank above the top 32. You have 4th, 14th, 18th, 21st, and 28th. I can't see Joe being in the bottom half of the bracket either.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Shot down by Heroic Mario.
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... Whither the blue-haired one?
G-G-G-G-GO FROG!

Oh and I forgot Proto Man, but he's unranked.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

"so joe is stronger than jak?"

No doubt. I'd take Joe to beat Ness who in turn would of course beat Jak.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

In fact, a rundown of Capcom:

Summer 2002

3 - Mega Man
10 - Ryu
13 - Claire Redfield
14 - Ken Masters
16 - Jill Valentine
18 - Dante
19 - Morrigan Aensland
21 - Strider Hiryu
30 - Servbot

Summer 2003

4 - Mega Man
14 - Zero
18 - Ryu
21 - Dante
28 - Jill Valentine
40 - Ken Masters (the drop this big is odd, but it does look like someone managed to finish below the top 32 and from Capcom)

Summer 2004

Mega Man
Zero
Ryu
Jill Valentine
Dante
Viewtiful Joe

I just can't see him placing in the bottom 32.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Heh and even with Ken dropping he'd be expected to get 52.99% on him last year.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I don't think Joe is as strong as you are making him out to be. You are doing the same thing other peopel did with Jak. Make him seem stronger than he really is.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

The Summer 2004 Score Distributions can be found here:
http://members.shaw.ca/teamrocketelite/ScoreDistributionsSum2004.xls

Team Rocket Elite, you rule :) That's awesome. Thanks!



On Sonic vs. Terry:
IMO, some people seem to be really underrating Sonic--or vastly overrating Terry Bogard.

Yeah, if you adjust Terry 2K2 with DK's 2K2-->2K3 increase, that puts him at 21.3% against Sonic '02, and 25% against Sonic '03.

However, really, how the hell can Terry get 30%?? Almost impossible I'd say. I don't see any way that Terry didn't decrease from 2K2. It's Terry freakin' Bogard!! He's a nobody!

So far, jobbers in this contest haven't done well. Besides, there's always the chance that DK's SFF was overstated. Reduce it to "only" 50%, and you get 17% against Sonic 2K2 and 20% against Sonic 2K3.

And I'm inclinded to think Terry dropped more from 2002 than Sonic did. He has done nothing to maintain his popularity.

I say that if Terry can break 20%, that's a moral victory for him. 25% is getting greedy.

Of course, I may be extremely wrong, and Terry may surprise just like some say. I just won't believe that until it happens.
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Data for all matches - http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php
SC2K4.com/Frog

I don't think Joe is as strong as you are making him out to be.

If you ask me, he's got far more appeal and more acclaim than Jak does. The biggest think Jak had going for him was his sales from games and being more mainstream. This isn't the case with Joe, but he is getting more exposure thanks to Viewtiful Joe coming out today for the PS2.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I say that if Terry can break 20%, that's a moral victory for him. 25% is getting greedy.

I'm at least expecting 25% from Terry, in fact, I don't even think 20% is going to be a problem.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Awright, finally regained access to my main account...
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Heroic Mario, weren't you really promoting Jak against Ness before? But it turns out you had Ness in your bracket all along...? What was going on there?

(I asked you this before, sorry if you already responded)
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Data for all matches - http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php
SC2K4.com/Frog

He has done nothing to maintain his popularity.

If I counted correctly, he's had three games since then.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

You honestly think 3 days will be enough time for people to go out, get the game, fall in love with Joe, and abandon Tails on the spot to vote for him? At least, enough time to make any notable difference.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Yeah I was all over Jak being greater than Ness. I did run into an argument with Chichiri about how SSBM could help out far more than I was giving credit for and after I saw a topic asking how many people didn't know Samus until SSB I just had to change my bracket. The points that were presented were good and I saw something I had previously overlooked. =p
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

You honestly think 3 days will be enough time for people to go out, get the game, fall in love with Joe, and abandon Tails on the spot to vote for him? At least, enough time to make any notable difference.

It doesn't take but an initial play to fall in love with Joe, I know that's what happened with me. But this isn't a game that's been unknown to people, I remember great complaint from PS2 owners when they heard VJ was exclusive to the GCN.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Putting the PS2 release aside, I had confidence in him beating Tails before it came out. In fact, it wasn't until the other day when I was checking my e-mail and got a Capcom release date change and saw Viewtiful Joe at the 24th of August.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Then he probably won't gain any fans in three days anyway. The only people who will snatch up the game that fast are the people who have already played it on GCN.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

I had full confidence in Tails the moment I made my bracket too. Same with Ness. Hopefully, I am right.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

If I counted correctly, he's had three games since then.

Really? I had no idea.

Are they popular around here?
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Data for all matches - http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php
SC2K4.com/Frog

The only people who will snatch up the game that fast are the people who have already played it on GCN.

I seriously doubt it. The fact that it is out there and people have a chance to go and get it today makes a difference. It's not like only people who played the GCN version know of it's release. The only reason I didn't know was because I've been a little behind on keeping up with what's going on within the industry.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

Actually, I hadn't noticed but they all released on the PS2 so that definitely could help out in a more "mainstream" way I guess you could say. He also has a few more coming out on the PS2 later this year, but those wouldn't matter much now.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

When I say played the GCN version, I don't mean owned it, I mean at a friends house or something.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

By the way, that last post was in reference to Terry.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Like Cloud, Sephiroth is drawing a lot of votes in this current poll so far...

They've done that in every contest, not really anything new.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

"I don't think Joe is as strong as you are making him out to be."

I'm only making him out to be strong enough to defeat Tails comfortably. That's not a huge risk. Believe me, I was one of te people who pointed out quite clearly how overrated Jak was and why.

"It's Terry freakin' Bogard!! He's a nobody!"

The CN apparently has a death wish. I will soon accomodate him in that matter.

"So far, jobbers in this contest haven't done well."

Uh, dude, some characters are doing better than expected. The fact of the matter is that like every year there isn't a trend that works in every situation. Take Bomberman for example who happens to have done quite well.

"He has done nothing to maintain his popularity."

Nothing you know of, but a lot of others do. There have been 3 games featuring Terry released on the Neo in the last 2 years. People who go to arcades know these games. Along with that a good number of KoF games have seen release on the PS2. Terry isn't in a possition to really decline.

"Of course, I may be extremely wrong, and Terry may surprise just like some say."

Not too many people have believed what I've said yet, but I have I backed any statement that was badly wrong? Nope. terry making 25% isn't greedy, it's the fair expectation.

"If I counted correctly, he's had three games since then."

Yeah, I've already stated as such in the stats topic once. KoF 2k2, KoF 2k3 and SvC: Chaos have all realeased in arcades since then and older games have been let onto PS2, specifically 00/01. And as we should all know by now there are two KoF games set to hit the PS2 before the end of this year... Maximum Impact and 02/03. In addition the arcades should soon see KoF2k4 and KoF NeoWave.

"and abandon Tails"

Who said they liked tails to begin with?

"The only people who will snatch up the game that fast are the people who have already played it on GCN."

Desperately far from the truth. If it was cube owners that wanted a ps2 version then why not buy the cube version? It's going to sell a lot of copies to people who only own ps2.

"Really? I had no idea."

Obviously

"Are they popular around here?"

Absolute die-hard fans... they make Earthbound lovers look half-assed in their fandom.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

"When I say played the GCN version, I don't mean owned it, I mean at a friends house or something. "

Or perhaps people ahve played demo setups at stores and though "damn, wish this was on ps2". But that doesn't matter, Viewtiful Joe is going to sell a lot of copies to people that don't own a ps2 and haven't played it before.

Think of it this way, if all you owned was a cube and you'd never played Final Fantasy X but loved RPGs woudl you vote for Tidus? Maybe, maybe not. If it was released on the cube 3 days before Tidus' match and you used the valuable opportunity to finally buy an RPG you wanted but couldn't have before don't you think you'd then have a chance to decide whether you liek Tidus or not?

VJ is going to be bought by people that have heard of it but never played it. People do read game magazines and look at websites. They know it exists and there are plenty of PS2 owners looking to get on some of the Viewtiful action they couldn't before.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

I'm feeling the sudden urge to go play Viewtiful Joe right now...I still need to finish the game.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

am i the only person here who thinks that Dante appearing in Viewtiful Joe will hurt Dante more than it will help him? think about it for a moment. Dante's previous exposure has been solely on the PS2. in fact, Capcom threw Dante into V.Joe as an extra incentive for PS2 owners (who would already be likely to be familiar with Dante) to chech out V.Joe. after playing the game, some people who previously would've picked Dante over Joe (since he was the one of the two characters they were more familiar with) could (and i'm certain some will) begin to like Joe more than Dante. so by throwing Dante into a game to get people from Dante's Ps2 fanbase to play it, his fanbase is now being exposed much more to Joe.

now on the other hand,if a V.Joe game was released on the Gamecube with Dante in it, then i believe it would benefit Dante. because then, you would be exposing Dante to a whole new fanbase on the Gamecube; thereby possibly changing the minds of some of Joe's fans.

that aside, i still think Joe can take down Dante, especially with him being exposed to a new fanbase; which happens to be Dante's fanbase. i guess we'll have to see how well he does against Tails first, though, for me to reaffirm my confidence in Joe.

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

If DMC2 can't hurt Dante, nothing will. If anything, being released in the same game as Joe while having a series of his own is a huge benefit for him.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

that's my point. it might benefit him a little against Ratchet, but against Joe, being in Joe's game hurts Dante. most people who pick up V. Joe for PS2 will already be familiar with Dante. that's the main reason Capcom put him in the Ps2 version - because PS2 action gamers would already be familiar with Dante.

there might be some people who aren't familiar with either character, pick up the game, and like Dante better.

there might be some people who know nothing about Dante and would vote for Joe over Dante, who then play V.Joe on the Ps2, first discover Dante, and decide they like him more than Joe.

then, there might be some people who are familiar with Dante and not Joe and would vote for Dante; but after playing Joe on Ps2 because Dante is in it, they decide they like Joe more than Dante.

now, since Dante's fanbase is mostly PS2, and previously hadn't had as much exposure to Joe, than that third possibility seems likely to happen more frequently than the other two. that's why Dante appearing in V.Joe will hurt him against Joe specifically more than it will help him against Joe.


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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

It could only help Joe in an instance when the voter is familiar with neither character. Even so, it's not a guarantee that they'll like the Viewtiful one better. These are votes that Dante couldn't have been guaranteed to get in the first place anyway.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

you're right, Leonhart, that it's not a guarantee that they will like Joe better anyways. but remember what happened when Kingdom Hearts exposed characters to a whole new fanbase. Joe isn't just being exposed to a new fanbase, but he's being exposed specifically to Dante's fanbase.

i say that if Joe breaks 60% on Tails, then Dante is in trouble. if Joe gets under 55%, then Dante is automatically in the Sweet Sixteen, and we then have either two or three close second round matches.

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

Actually, I'd say it's equally likely that Dante is going to get exposed to Viewtiful Joe's fanbase as well. There are some who will be buying it just for Dante, and then you've got those who are buying it just because it looks like a good game or they played it on the 'Cube. At worst, it'll neither benefit nor hurt Dante.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

As far as Sonic/Terry goes...I have a hard time seeing him being able to match (let alone top) the numbers that DDR put up against FFT in the spring. I know it seems like an apples/oranges situation, but I don't think it's that unfair of a comparison. Anywho, 80/20 seems like a good split to me.
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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO CATS

I'm hoping Sonic gets 70% max. Then Ryu will hand his ass to him.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

This is probably neither here nor there, but I thought of a reason why Ryu (SF) was seeded so low.

If I recall correctly, Ceej explicitly said that he would not count nominations for a character unless he knew for sure what game they were from, as in the Ryus.

Despite the example on the nomination page, I think that some people still didn't point out what game their character was from.

Ryu (SF) would suffer from this the most due to the fact that Ryu is the name of several VG characters and he is the most popular one out of all of them, so people would be more likely to assume that Ceej knew who they were talking about than with the other ones.

Plus, Ryu Hyubasa has an actual last name that would help separate him from the pack more.
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"Oooh oooh, aaah aaah!!"--Donkey Kong

SC2K4 FIRST DRAFT - PAGE 25 - (1) SONIC THE HEDGEHOG vs. (16) TERRY BOGARD

Disclaimer: This preview series may contain mildly offensive stuff, as well as SPOILERS, not only for the characters discussed, but other stuff as well.

I love Sonic. I really really really do. But if I'm to believe what others say, Sega is trying to make me really really really hate him. Yet, I don't. I loved SA1. I loved SA2 (despite the game revolving around Shadow). I loved Sonic Heroes (despite yet another game focusing on Shadow). If I can like two games Shadow is in, that must make Sonic, like, a demigod.

My first Sonic game was Sonic 2 for Game Gear. Yes, the one often hailed as the single hardest Sonic game ever. And I'd tend to agree with that statement. My copy had a glitch that made Eggman shoot a seventh cannonball during the first boss fight just as he came charging on the boss (dunno if it's widespread). Aqua Lake Zone Act 2 was nasty. Getting to the fourth boss was like a game of Russian roulette. Scrambled Egg zone left me scrambled. It took me hours to figure out how to hit the final boss (hey, I was 9 at the time!). Painfully frustrating, but beating the game is still one of the gaming moments that brought me the most satisfaction. Now if only I could try and take on that glitched level 127 Octillery with Petal Dance using only a Feraligatr like my bro did. But I digress.

Anyway, although I liked the 3D Sonics, I still believe stories do not belong in platformers. Not only did Sonic's spawn the worst character of all time, but it also highlighted Sonic Team's complete inability to write a decent script. Sonic's VA did miracles by actually making it possible to listen to it without massive internal bleeding at the level of the ears. All the way to Sonic Heroes' Last Episode, where even JESUS couldn't find a way to make it sound less cheesy than a pound of mozzarella. Hey, he got killed by a bird too, damn CRAIGER.

Speaking of mozzarella, who better to serve as first round fodder for Sonic than the resident pizza delivery boy of the Summer Contest himself? Terry Bogard's huge loss to Aya was first seen as disappointing, then when DK was almost sextupled by Mario it made Terry look like Mr. Driller. Almost. Then when Vercetti, who also had a close match with DK, pulled out much greater numbers than DK against a similar opponent, well, we got our first mathematical proof of SFF. But for some reason Terry remained at the level of "jobber worse than Ryo himself" in the minds of most.

Terry getting 25% will be no easy task, considering who he's facing, but if Aya is as strong as I think she is, he could do it. Of course, despite SFF-adjusted X-Sts, people will still say Sonic took a huge fall if he only wins 75-25, and when Ryu lays the smackdown on KOS-MOS by around 20000 votes just watch the Ryu-over-Sonic bandwagon gain steam like mad. Tsk, tsk. I'm almost feeling like making an account closure bet with anyone who's up to it that Sonic will NOT lose before the division finals. Uh, forget the "almost" part. JUST BRING IT!

NUMBERS OF INTEREST

SC2K3 extrapolated standings
10. Sonic the Hedgehog - 33.79%
DNE. Terry Bogard

Board Odds Project picks (119 brackets)
Sonic the Hedgehog - 119
Terry Bogard - 0

Board Odds Project point value
6. Sonic the Hedgehog - 897
52. Terry Bogard - 0

CONTEST TRIVIA

Sonic is the weakest contestant to have occupied the top spot in a division twice. (The others are Mario, Link and Cloud.)
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 022/023 - Matches: 22/23 - Rank: 00128/33221 - Today: Sephiroth - Tomorrow: Sonic

My first Sonic game was Sonic 2 for Game Gear. Yes, the one often hailed as the single hardest Sonic game ever. And I'd tend to agree with that statement. My copy had a glitch that made Eggman shoot a seventh cannonball during the first boss fight just as he came charging on the boss (dunno if it's widespread). Aqua Lake Zone Act 2 was nasty. Getting to the fourth boss was like a game of Russian roulette. Scrambled Egg zone left me scrambled. It took me hours to figure out how to hit the final boss (hey, I was 9 at the time!). Painfully frustrating, but beating the game is still one of the gaming moments that brought me the most satisfaction. Now if only I could try and take on that glitched level 127 Octillery with Petal Dance using only a Feraligatr like my bro did. But I digress.

Slowflake, are we, like, long-lost brothers or something? I have the EXACT same memories of the EXACT same game. Too bad my Game Gear doesn't work anymore...;_;
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Match XXIII: (7) Vivi vs. (10) Donkey Kong

Vivi beat Donkey Kong, 56.47% - 43.53%

Ouch this is the third lost in this division in round 1. The only other time I got 3 wrong was in 2002 and it was a new contest though, remembers having Sonic vs. Mega Man in round 4 and Mario vs. Sonic in the finals, those were good days sadly they never happened. Well this match shows that Vivi is ranked around Auron’s and Dante’s level, so I guess that’s good for him, but the rankings won’t show him that since he’s going to have a SFF match against Sephiroth and the factor isn’t on his side. We’ll I’ve underestimated Vivi, but so did 65% of the brackets so I guess it wasn’t such a terrible lost, at least this is the most unpredictable match in round 1 in these character contests.

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Summer 2004 Contest 20/23 Sephiroth vs. Sly

Match XXV: (1) Sonic vs. (16) Terry Preview

Past Performances:

Sonic: 2002

Defeated Pitfall Harry, 82.44% - 17.56%
Defeated Tidus, 58.83% - 41.17%
Lost to Samus, 49.98% - 50.02%
Ranked: 5th

Sonic: 2003

Defeated Ken, 68.91% - 31.09%
Defeated Zero, 52.34% - 47.66%
Defeated Aeris, 53.02% - 46.98%
Lost to Cloud, 33.79% - 66.21%
Ranked: 10th

Terry: 2002

Lost to Aya, 35.23% - 64.77%
Ranked: 60th

Terry: 2003

Did not attend
Ranked: N/A

Analysis:

Sonic is from the Sonic series. Sonic is probably one of the weakest 1 seed in this contest. Don’t get me wrong Sonic is a strong character, but I could name a few characters that deserve that spot more. People have been saying that Sonic is a weak character because he can’t blow away his opponents. Except for Pitfall Harry all of Sonic’s opponents were really strong. In 2002 Sonic lost to Samus in the closest match ever in GameFAQs history. Only 34 votes separated the characters. In 2003 Sonic almost lost in round 2 to Zero, but that’s because we underestimated him a lot, but in round 4 Sonic almost got doubled by the future champ Cloud. This year, other then his first round opponent Sonic is going to have a tough ride to the Elite 8 where he will meet Samus for a rematch.

Terry is from King of Fighters. Terry is the second character who has been to 2002, but not in 2003. In 2002 Terry lost to Aya in the first round, but don’t look to much at the rank Terry got for 2002, Terry was one of the four characters that was really weaken because of the major SFF in Mario vs. Donkey Kong. Though now Terry is back and this year she’s going to prove that she didn’t deserve the low ranking she got in 2002 and to show that Terry isn’t a compete fodder. Even though it looks like Terry will lose at least he won’t roll over and die.

We know have Sega’s main Mascot going up against a character from the King of Fighters series. If this match was taken place in the 90’s this match could’ve been close, but now Terry has fallen and is getting weaker by the year. If Terry does break 26% I’m going to have to worry about Sonic’s chances in round 2, but Terry probably won’t get close.

First things first, how in the world did Sonic get a 1 seed? I could name at least 8 different characters that deserve his spot more then he did plus after almost getting doubled by Cloud last year. The only reason why Sonic may be a 1 seed is because CJayC wanted each 1 seed to be from a different company, but he could’ve used Solid Snake too, but the rematch must’ve been too much for him I guess.

Well like I said before Terry is the second character that’s been in 2002, but not in 2003, but has returned. So if we use Terry’s 2002 numbers against Sonic’s 2003 numbers, we have Sonic winning by almost 86%, but there is one factor that the rankings have missed and that’s the Mario vs. Donkey Kong SFF match being tinkled down all the way to Terry. Even with that factored in it really doesn’t help.

Well it looks like were going to have another boring match, but at least it’s not a blowout like today’s. Sonic now starts up his journey to fight Samus in round 4, but if you ask me Sonic probably has the hardest path to the Elite 8 and he’ll need every single supporter by the time he gets to Samus.

Charmander’s Bracket: Sonic

Charmander’s Prediction: Sonic by 77.24% - 22.76%

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Summer 2004 Contest 20/23 Sephiroth vs. Sly

If you ask me, Crono has the hardest path to the Elite 8 out of the elite characters. He has to go through Magus (reverse SFF alert!) and his archnemesis (It'sa me, Mario!) to make it. Sonic just goes against a couple of strong midcarders in Ryu and Dante.
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Current Pick: Sonic; Current Vote: Terry (for HM); Points: 24/24
Henshin a go-go, baby!

Terry will do 25%
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

I promised myself that I'd stop caring after my first loss, so now you'll see me rooting for my favorites. In other words, I want to see Magus beat both Crono and Mario, Sephiroth to beat the holy hell out of the prison ***** (Cloud) and the fairy boy (Link) and for Master Chief to beat Frog. They all deserve to win those matches.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

What makes you think Crono can beat Mario this year?
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BtT: 3:59.25 | HRC: 50,053.8 ft OV aaaargh
Crash.

Terry will do 25%

nope not a chance, even I'm being generous to Terry right now
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Summer 2004 Contest 20/23 Sephiroth vs. Sly

If you ask me, Crono has the hardest path to the Elite 8 out of the elite characters. He has to go through Magus (reverse SFF alert!) and his archnemesis (It'sa me, Mario!) to make it.

who says Crono is getting to the Elite 8 (Big Mario Fan Right Here))
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Summer 2004 Contest 20/23 Sephiroth vs. Sly

I promised myself that I'd stop caring after my first loss, so now you'll see me rooting for my favorites. In other words, I want to see Magus beat both Crono and Mario, Sephiroth to beat the holy hell out of the prison ***** (Cloud) and the fairy boy (Link) and for Master Chief to beat Frog. They all deserve to win those matches.

That would make for some good fanfiction too. *Sigh*
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Gots love for JC Denton & Terry Bogard. ^^^

I didn't say he was; I said he'd have the hardest path out of the elites. My bracket says Crono, true, but I'll be voting Mario along with the rest of you guys.
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Current Pick: Sonic; Current Vote: Terry (for HM); Points: 24/24
Henshin a go-go, baby!

I promised myself that I'd stop caring after my first loss, so now you'll see me rooting for my favorites. In other words, I want to see Magus beat both Crono and Mario, Sephiroth to beat the holy hell out of the prison ***** (Cloud) and the fairy boy (Link) and for Master Chief to beat Frog. They all deserve to win those matches.

Oh yeah? Well then, I would want Crono versus Mega Man for the top half of the final four, and the winner of Laharl/Ness to face Samus in the other half.

...I guess 2/4 isn't that bad.

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SC2k4: Rank: T2, Score: 22/23, Picked: Sephiroth, Voted: Sephiroth
Solstice (NES) World Record Holder

Actually if we're going by elites, Magus does -_-
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BtT: 3:59.25 | HRC: 50,053.8 ft OV aaaargh
Crash.

What makes you think Crono can beat Mario this year?

All signs point to it.

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SC2k4: Rank: T2, Score: 22/23, Picked: Sephiroth, Voted: Sephiroth
Solstice (NES) World Record Holder

As far as paths to the elite eight regarding 1 and 2 seeded characters go...

Link has to beat CATS, Ganondorf, and Luigi/Yoshi. It's a very easy path, the only match of the three that looks hard on paper, vs. Ganon, will be nothing for Link due to reverse SFF.

Mario has to beat JC Denton, Bowser, and (probably) Crono. If Crono beats Magus, then Mario has by far the toughest road due to having to survive another Mario vs. Crono. Bowser could be hard, but likely won't be due to SFF... Though we haven't really seen how SFF works with Mario characters.

Mega Man has to beat Earthworm Jim, Tidus, and Zero. This competition isn't easy, but Tidus (who lost almost 60-40 to Sonic) and Zero (who will falter due to SFF) don't have the power to take down MM. All Mega Man might do is look a bit unimpressive going into his second battle with Snake.

Snake has to beat Tanner, Knuckles, and Frog. Tanner's a total wuss, Knux has fallen easily to Snake twice before, and Frog struggled to defeat Snake's weaker brother... Snake should have a pretty easy time of it.

Cloud has to beat Milk'em, Vyse, and Squall. *yawn*

Sephiroth has to beat Sly, Vivi, and Auron. A tough crowd, but SFF will destroy any strength Vivi and Auron had.

Sonic has to beat Terry, (probably) Ryu, and (probably) Dante. Terry is fodder, and Ryu and Dante are merely midrankers who pose no true threat.

Samus has to beat Lara, Sam, and Ryu/Jill/Sora. Samus has by far the easiest path to the Elite Eight.

So... Mario has the toughest opposition. After him, it's probably a tie between Sonic and Mega Man.
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Hmph.

Actually if we're going by elites, Magus does -_-

By elites, I meant Noble Nine, but Magus is practically Noble Nine anyway so I guess you win.

What makes you think Crono can beat Mario this year?

All signs point to it.

I'm with Lucid (again).
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Current Pick: Sonic; Current Vote: Terry (for HM); Points: 24/24
Henshin a go-go, baby!

Nope Mario is going to make a late comeback and win with 50.05% of the votes
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Summer 2004 Contest 20/23 Sephiroth vs. Sly

I put faith in Crono because I truly believe he lost last year because the cheaters for his side quit early. It was quite obvious there was cheating on both sides, but Mario's final jumps lead me to believe he was the only one getting major cheating that last hour or so. It's not like people suddenly came up with a new way to cheat right then.

On the other hand Mario will more than likely be the bracket, but people seem split on what effect that is having this year, especially after Vivi/DK.
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Not all those who wander are lost...
There is no god, and the cage wasn't 30 feet. - CM Punk

I was hoping I would get to see myself on the top 50 before I lose a point and with Joe/Tails coming up soon, I might be losing my point and not make it up. :/
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Happiness is like peeing on yourself. Everyone can see it, but only you feel it's warmth.

All signs point to it.

Just like last year then?
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And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth.

Looks like none of the perfects fell in the last match, the first time the perfects have been perfect I believe.
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Data for all matches - http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php
SC2K4.com/Frog

Chrono Trigger took 2nd place in the Spring Contest and steamrolled through 3 Mario games and one of Link's most popular games. There might be enough of an effect from that to finally push Crono over the top and get his first victory against Mario this year.

My stance at least. Seems Crono has the momentum this year and it's his match to lose.
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Chaos Knight-Cerebral Insomniac of the CoS
summoner? wtf! summoner=Yuna Taru=midgit GaryPayton LA

Crono has momentum, and what has mario done in the last year?

The last years have been so close you can't really call Mario > Crono, just Mario = Crono (winning beyond when the time should be up is hardly winning).

The momentum to me is enough to give Crono that slight push he needs to win this battle.

Why would Chrono Trigger winning push Crono over?

What kind of moron will think OMFG PEOPLE LIEK CHRONO TRIGGER MORE SO I SHALL LIEK CRONO MORE VOTE CRONONONONON!!! ????

Makes no sense, and is just wishful thinking.
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And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth.

yokei.. thats not the message.. its merely a representative of the popularity of the game that contains crono.. he being the main character means that it gives him a good chance to have that similar and overpowering popularity that the game had in comparison to similarly powerful mario games...
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If you're worried people are talking about you... you're probably right.

HO. LY. CRAP.

Sonic... with 78%? Before the day vote, which he usually outrageously dominates? All of ye Ryu kiddies can go to bed now.

Seriously... these are numbers he needed to put up to have a chance against Samus.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 023/024 - Matches: 23/24 - Rank: 00128/33221 - Today: Sonic - Tomorrow: Ryu

Heh, I wanted Terry to do well on a personal level, but the better Sonic looks, the better that upset in the Elite Eight looks.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Samus will still kill sonic no matter how good he does today.
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The greatest gamer to ever live.

I doubt it. Sonic is still too strong to be beaten soundly by Samus.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Eh, I'm not convinced that this gives Sonic a chance against Samus. Let's see how she does in her match before drawing any conclusions, 'kay?
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 22/23, Next Winner: Sephiroth

SC2K4 FIRST DRAFT - PAGE 26 - (8) KOS-MOS vs. (9) RYU (SF)

Disclaimer: This preview series may contain mildly offensive stuff, as well as SPOILERS, not only for the characters discussed, but other stuff as well.

A lesbian pet robot meets a fighting legend. Only on GameFAQs could such a match get hype. And even on GameFAQs KOS-MOS is going to get the ass-kicking of a lifetime. This match, like Ganondorf/Alucard and Kefka/Knuckles, shouldn't even be hyped. I mean, come on. Ryu got 42% on Samus. KOS-MOS? 30%. Okay, so Ryu at least had the benefit of facing her before Prime came out. But that's going to make up 2 or 3 points at most, not 12. Besides, KOS-MOS did 8 points worse against Crash than Master Chump. Who in their right mind would pick Chump over Ryu?

Because Ryu is a fighting game character, yes. However, he is the only one to get any sort of recognition here. No, he's not even near-elite, but he's still a competitor that can make his way to the Sweet 16 given the right opposition. And Sonic is not the right opposition. Non-written law of GameFAQs contests #67: 9-seeds who get any hype to win in round 2 are doomed to fail. This scenario is familiar from this spring, although said 9-seed was the actual favorite back then.

What he'll have against him: TJF voters, Notre Game, a really loyal Xenosaga cult, and the CATS army. That's it.

What he'll have going for him: HAAAADOKEN!!!!!

Let's have a moment of silence for the Xenoboys, who are going to see their gal get pwned so hardcore they're going to perform suicide by reading yaoi fanfictions involving Tingle and Miror B.

And let's hope KOS-MOS will find a use for that extra I/O port.

NUMBERS OF INTEREST

SC2K3 extrapolated standings
18. Ryu (SF) - 29.70%
36. KOS-MOS - 22.22%
Projection: Ryu with 62.59%

Board Odds Project picks (119 brackets)
Ryu (SF) - 107
KOS-MOS - 12

Board Odds Project point value
24. Ryu - 113
41. KOS-MOS - 18

CONTEST TRIVIA

KOS-MOS was expected by most brackets to lose to Crash last year. This "upset" comes at an all-time fifth in the first round, behind Halo/Starcraft, Vivi/DK, Wario/Shadow and Spyro/Morrigan.
Ryu was a top 10 finisher in 2002, no matter whether WDF was adjusted or not.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 023/024 - Matches: 23/24 - Rank: 00128/33221 - Today: Sonic - Tomorrow: Ryu

I said have a chance, not beat her instantly. The numbers Dante put up against Ryo last year would've had him beating Ryu soundly, and he failed by almost 10000 votes.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 023/024 - Matches: 23/24 - Rank: 00128/33221 - Today: Sonic - Tomorrow: Ryu

All of ye Ryu kiddies can go to bed now.

Only if he increased there, buddy.

Like smitelf said, no sense in just blabbing this and that until you actually see the opposition go up.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

This coming from the guy that said Terry couldn't do worse than 25% when he may be lucky to get 20%.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I'm pretty happy with Sonic's performance so far. It looks like he will break 80% in this match. All the elites so far outside of Crono have broken +80% in their matches. If Mario gets 83% on JC Denton then, unless Terry's fans are just extremely vocal, 80% on Terry Bogard is more than decent, especially with all the people saying Sonic has slipped.

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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

HO. LY. CRAP.

Sonic... with 78%? Before the day vote, which he usually outrageously dominates? All of ye Ryu kiddies can go to bed now.

Seriously... these are numbers he needed to put up to have a chance against Samus.

i for one am not impressed by Sonic breaking 80%. i mean, who cares about Terry Bogard? Chichiri Muyo, that's who. otherwise, not many people care about Terry. heck, i'd bet that at least half of the voters never even heard of Terry. this board does have some SNK fighting game fans. but the site as a whole, which is full of 13 and 14 year old voters? not likely.

80% against a fading fighting game character is not impressive. if Sonic breaks 90% against Terry, then i will be impressed. otherwise, 80-84% is what he should be able to get.

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

Top 10 Biggest Blowouts (difference in percentage)

1) 88.60% - Solid Snake over Tanner
2) 75.66% - Link over CATS
3) 72.74% - Sephiroth over Sly Cooper
4) 67.08% - Mario over J.C. Denton
5) 65.98% - Bowser over Guybrush Threepwood
6) 65.96% - Megaman over Eartworm Jim
7) 62.08% - Magus over Luca Blight
8) 60.38% - Cloud over Duke Milk'em
9) 55.98% - Crono over Conker
10) 52.80% - Yoshi over Ryo Hazuki

Top 10 Biggest Vote Gaps (difference in votes)

1) 69759 - Solid Snake over Tanner
2) 65362 - Sephiroth over Sly Cooper
3) 62319 - Link over CATS
4) 55813 - Megaman over Earthworm Jim
5) 53705 - Cloud over Duke Milk'em
6) 52337 - Mario over J.C. Denton
7) 49079 - Bowser over Guybrush Threepwood
8) 44770 - Crono over Conker
9) 43761 - Magus over Luca Blight
10) 41506 - Yoshi over Ryo Hazuki

Top 10 Closest Matches (difference in percentage)

1) 0.10% - Frog over Liquid Snake
2) 1.62% - Tidus over Shadow the Hedgehog
3) 10.16% - Ness over Jak
4) 12.94% - Vivi over Donkey Kong
5) 14.32% - Ganondorf over Alucard
6) 14.92% - Knuckles over Kefka
7) 20.46% - Vyse over Laharl
8) 23.92% - Tommy Vercetti over Max Payne
9) 29.30% - Kirby over Kain
10) 29.50% - Squall over Bomberman

Top 10 Smallest Vote Gaps (difference in votes)

1) 93 - Frog over Liquid Snake
2) 1546 - Tidus over Shadow the Hedgehog
3) 7397 - Ness over Jak
4) 11105 - Vivi over Donkey Kong
5) 12358 - Knuckles over Kefka
6) 12533 - Ganondorf over Alucard
7) 14072 - Vyse over Laharl
8) 18618 - Tommy Vercetti over Max Payne
9) 23576 - Kirby over Kain
10) 23943 - Squall over Bomberman

Top 10 Most Popular Polls (by vote totals)

1) 95122 - Tidus vs. Shadow the Hedgehog
2) 90064 - Auron vs. Scorpion
3) 89848 - Sephiroth vs. Sly Cooper
4) 88953 - Cloud vs. Duke Milk'em
5) 87733 - Frog vs. Liquid Snake
6) 87557 - Ganondorf vs. Alucard
7) 85781 - Vivi vs. Donkey Kong
8) 84625 - Megaman vs. Earthworm Jim
9) 82798 - Kefka vs. Knuckles
10) 82369 - Link vs. CATS

Top 10 Least Popular Polls (by vote totals)

1) 68808 - Vyse vs. Laharl
2) 70495 - Magus vs. Luca Blight
3) 72863 - Ness vs. Jak
4) 74383 - Bowser vs. Guybrush Threepwood
5) 75307 - Luigi vs. Pac-Man
6) 77021 - Master Cheif vs. Crash Bandicoot
7) 77860 - Tommy Vercetti vs. Max Payne
8) 78031 - Mario vs. J.C. Denton
9) 78608 - Yoshi vs. Ryo Hazuki
10) 78743 - Solid Snake over Tanner

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

Top 10 Highest Individual Votes

1) 77605 - Sephiroth
2) 74251 - Solid Snake
3) 72344 - Link
4) 71329 - Cloud
5) 70219 - Megaman
6) 65184 - Mario
7) 62375 - Crono
8) 61731 - Bowser
9) 60057 - Yoshi
10) 58404 - Auron
10) 58317 - Zero

Top 10 Lowest Individual Votes

1) 4492 - Tanner
2) 10025 - CATS
3) 12243 - Sly Cooper
4) 12652 - Guybrush Threepwood
5) 12847 - J.C. Denton
6) 13367 - Luca Blight
7) 14406 - Earthworm Jim
8) 17605 - Conker
9) 17624 - Duke Milk'em
10) 18551 - Ryo Hazuki

Top 10 Most Impressive Losers (by votes)

1) 46788 - Shadow the Hedgehog
2) 43820 - Liquid Snake
3) 37512 - Alucard
4) 37338 - Donkey Kong
5) 35220 - Lettuce Kefka
6) 32733 - Jak
7) 31660 - Scorpion
8) 29621 - Max Payne
9) 28597 - Bomberman
10) 28436 - Kain

Top 10 Least Impressive Winners (by votes)

1) 40130 - Ness
2) 41440 - Vyse
3) 43913 - Frog
4) 47578 - Knuckles
5) 48239 - Tommy Vercetti
6) 48334 - Tidus
7) 48443 - Vivi
8) 50045 - Ganondorf
9) 51008 - Luigi
10) 52012 - Kirby

Top 10 Easiest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner)

1) 98.79% - Link over CATS
2) 98.28% - Mario over J.C. Denton
3) 97.97% - Cloud over Duke Milk'em
4) 97.47% - Megaman over Earthworm Jim
5) 97.37% - Sephiroth over Sly Cooper
6) 97.27% - Solid Snake over Tanner
7) 95.00% - Bowser over Guybrush Threepwood
8) 93.43% - Crono over Conker
9) 90.45% - Magus over Luca Blight
10) 86.41% - Zero over Protoman

Top 10 Hardest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner)

1) 35.13% - Vivi over Donkey Kong
2) 43.05% - Knuckles over Kefka
3) 44.33% - Frog over Liquid Snake
4) 54.16% - Ness over Jak
5) 63.02% - Ganondorf over Alucard
6) 66.71% - Vyse over Laharl
7) 68.69% - Luigi over Pac-Man
8) 70.06% - Tidus over Shadow the Hedgehog
9) 70.14% - Auron over Scorpion
10) 74.21% - Kirby over Kain


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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

80% against a fading fighting game character is not impressive. if Sonic breaks 90% against Terry, then i will be impressed. otherwise, 80-84% is what he should be able to get.

It is impressive, for someone who's supposed to be fading fast. And what says that Terry is fading? Much less fading fast?
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... Whither the blue-haired one?
G-G-G-G-GO FROG!

Could someone here archive the Contest Statistics pages for me until September 7th? I won't be able to until then and I'd like a copy of them for future reference.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

I can copy-paste them and e-mail them to your hotmail address if you want, though it might be a real ****ing mess. Hotmail sucks.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Anyway, do you have today's list?

Oh and on a side note, Sonic is looking good here. If he keeps climbing, I may get the closest prediction in Moltar's topic again.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Crono has momentum, and what has mario done in the last year?

Mario may not have done anything spectacular in the past year, but what has Crono done?


Oh, that's right. . .NOTHING!!!
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"You see, a woman who's best friend is a firearm really needs help. I little dinner,a little dancing, I think I can help you out." - Sly Cooper.

Mario may not have done anything spectacular in the past year, but what has Crono done?


Oh, that's right. . .NOTHING!!!

All the signs point to a Crono victory this year. And a comfortable one at that.

Score - Brackets - % Right
23 --- 127 ------- 100
22 --- 878 ------- 99.88610479
21 --- 2253 ------ 99.86684421
20 --- 4047 ------ 99.90116136
19 --- 5317 ------ 99.37934926
18 --- 5855 ------ 99.14602903
17 --- 5213 ------ 98.00498753
16 --- 3962 ------ 97.75365977
15 --- 2605 ------ 95.81573896
14 --- 1477 ------ 92.3493568
13 --- 736 ------- 87.36413043
12 --- 357 ------- 85.71428571
11 --- 135 ------- 74.81481481
10 --- 56 -------- 67.85714286
9 ---- 24 -------- 75
8 ---- 15 -------- 73.33333334
7 ---- 4 --------- 0
6 ---- 6 --------- 16.66666666
5 ---- 27 -------- 3.703703703
4 ---- 23 -------- 0
3 ---- 38 -------- 0
2 ---- 32 -------- 0
1 ---- 32 -------- 0
0 ---- 2 --------- 0

As expected, a very high prediction percentage for everyone, with the perfects finally all staying perfect and only one of the 878 people who have missed one point picked Sly to beat Sephiroth. The zeroes all the way up to the fours also stayed where they were. And as you've already figured out, nobody fell off the top 50.
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You play with your controller in one hand for 85% of the game. If that isn't a gaming experience, I don't know what is. -the jp, on FFX-2

HO. LY. CRAP.

Sonic... with 78%? Before the day vote, which he usually outrageously dominates? All of ye Ryu kiddies can go to bed now.

Seriously... these are numbers he needed to put up to have a chance against Samus.

Well I'm for one am not surprised. I think in my preview I said I would be worried about Sonic's chances next round if he failed to tripled Terry. The only thing that might suprise me now is if Sonic breaks 85%
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Summer 2004 Contest 20/23 Sephiroth vs. Sly

Well, for the first time, no change in the number of perfects left...still holding at 127.

I think this will not hold for today..I think we may lose 1 or 2 who really thought Sonic was ripe to be upset...

2 good matches comin up...Ryu and Joe :) Word up for the guys with 3 letter names!

Satire...in 7 days! :) Be here!
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Steve Illumina: Official Satirical Commentator of SC2K4
Perfects to Fall: 127 SC2K4: 23/25 (Go Ryu!)

Today is a sad day, as we have learned much of the gamefaqs population lacks taste.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Well now that my bracket is dead. I am rooting for a Link vs MM, Sephiroth vs Samus final four. With hopefully MM or Sephiroth winning, but I wouldnt mind Link winning. Samus sadly has no chance.

This performance by Sonic means nothing. Fighting games are quickly becoming a niche genre, and I doubt that the casual voters either know or care about who Terry is.

Samus will still beat the Blue Blur, and by a much wider margin this time.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

2k5 actually would be a lot better for Terry considering that he actually has some high profile games coming up later this year. He may not make it next year, but oh well, such is life.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

And for those keeping track (which is probably just cn), my new formula for the extrapolated rankings has Ryu at 60.56% whereas the current formula has him at 62.59%.
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You play with your controller in one hand for 85% of the game. If that isn't a gaming experience, I don't know what is. -the jp, on FFX-2

77,000 votes for Sephiroth? Damn ^_^.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Sephiroth having the highest vote total... balance has been restored. Yet his match wasn't as popular as those of the FF10 characters...

I agree, today's match probably doesn't mean much. But if Sonic breaks 60% on Ryu, THIS will be worrying for Samus' Final 4 bid.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 023/024 - Matches: 23/24 - Rank: 00128/33221 - Today: Sonic - Tomorrow: Ryu

I figured Sephiroth would get a lot of votes.. Since FF characters usually haul in tons of votes..

I don't think Sonic will be able to break 60% on Ryu.. It would own to see Ryu > Sonic

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"I just wanna protect the people I'm with. Doesn't matter whether I can or not. It's what I believe in."
-Zidane (Final Fantasy IX)

Depends on Samus's performance, of course. I think Samus will do a lil' better than last year, and Samus's rank should be higher in the extrapolated due to Link/Samus SFF...

...but yeah, Sonic gettin' 40% on Ryu would really make it something, regardless.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 8/25/2004 12:27:59 PM | Message Detail
Today is a sad day, as we have learned much of the gamefaqs population lacks taste.

You just learned that now?
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

All the signs point to a Crono victory this year. And a comfortable one at that.

I'm not arguing that Crono can't beat Mario because he can, but what exactly has happened to give him a comfortable lead over Mario.

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"You see, a woman who's best friend is a firearm really needs help. I little dinner,a little dancing, I think I can help you out." - Sly Cooper.

Yikes. And for a minute there, you guys had me worried that Sonic wasn't going to break 75%. Phew...
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"Sorry, I see no difference between the NES and SNES so I really don't care if you ****ing sig me." -- imdapartystar

"You just learned that now?"

No, but seeing Terry's vote total reaffirmed it.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Yikes. And for a minute there, you guys had me worried that Sonic wasn't going to break 75%. Phew...

only the vocal people said that. Even with MvD SFF Sonic was still more likely to get 80% then 75%

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Summer 2004 Contest 20/23 Sephiroth vs. Sly

I wonder if the Sonic Heroes pic could actually be helping Sonic. If it is, then perhaps the game was more popular then we thought, and Tails may be looking better.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

You forgot that the most important sign goes Mario's way... Crono cheaters amaze me time after time with their absolute incompetence.

Besides, Crono had everything he could possibly hope for last year and still lost. He doesn't have anything more this year than he did last year, and if Ulti is correct about bracket-voting being at an all-time high, Mario should become the favorite. Remember last year, when more people had Mario winning the match than Crono even GETTING there? With Mario repeating, I'm expecting even more brackets to side with him this time.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 023/024 - Matches: 23/24 - Rank: 00128/33221 - Today: Sonic - Tomorrow: Ryu

I used this match as an alternate approach to get DK's value on Cloud independant of DK/Mario SFF, and ugh. This match makes DK look pretty bad.

Terry/Sonic * Sonic/Cloud / 50 = Terry/Cloud
18.62 * 33.79 = 12.58

Terry/Aya * Aya/DK / 50 = Terry/DK
35.23 * 48.94 / 50 = 34.48

50 * Terry/Cloud / Terry/DK = DK/Cloud
50 * 12.58 / 34.48 = 18.24

Now, this is mixing and matching numbers from all three years, but that's pretty low for DK/Cloud no matter how you look at it.
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Current Pick: Sonic; Current Vote: Terry (for HM); Points: 24/24
Henshin a go-go, baby!

I'm expecting around 70% if Mario wins
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Summer 2004 Contest 21/24 Sonic vs. Terry

Last year it was 65%, so I'd tend to agree with that number, Charmander. The board was heavily favoring Crono last year, but outside of it... nothing.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 023/024 - Matches: 23/24 - Rank: 00128/33221 - Today: Sonic - Tomorrow: Ryu

He doesn't have anything more this year than he did last year, and if Ulti is correct about bracket-voting being at an all-time high, Mario should become the favorite.

Then how did DK, who had 65% of the brackets, lose by 11,000 votes?
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Current Pick: Sonic; Current Vote: Terry (for HM); Points: 24/24
Henshin a go-go, baby!

Say it with me.

VIVI. IS. A. NEWCOMER.

What tells you he couldn't have achieved in the 60s without bracket-voting? Nothing? Bingo.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 023/024 - Matches: 23/24 - Rank: 00128/33221 - Today: Sonic - Tomorrow: Ryu

maybe Vivi is stronger then we thought?
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Summer 2004 Contest 21/24 Sonic vs. Terry

Don't let the past fool you Slow, Crono has a better than this time than last.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Why's that Crono has had no new game
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Summer 2004 Contest 21/24 Sonic vs. Terry

Slow, if we assume perfect bracket voting, the non-bracket voters have to favor Vivi by with nearly 70% to get the actual poll result. That's why I don't think bracket voting matters beyond a percent or two.
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Current Pick: Sonic; Current Vote: Terry (for HM); Points: 24/24
Henshin a go-go, baby!

"Why's that Crono has had no new game"

And that has really stopped others from gaining, hasn't it? It certainly stopped Alucard from performing better this year. There are a crapload of characters who have gone up this year, and while most of them can be explained by something it's happening to an unrealistic degree. Auron went up so high that some of you people actually think Tails is underrated. Margin of error or not Crono went up against an established cahracter and did better.

But the real kicker? CT. If CT can kick that much ass in the Spring I have no doubt that a Mario/Crono match doesn't automatically favor Mario. Anything Mario's 2k3 win would gain him in bracket voters is lost by CT's spring performance. We may know there's no direct relation between the two but the general bracket makers don't. Bracket voting as-is makes little noticable difference, and I don't think Crono is going to be so highly underestimated this time. Between those two things Crono certainly doesn't lose ground against Mario, and there's a damn fine chance that because of CT's victory there may either be a highly level of confidence in Crono (which he hasn't gotten the last two years though he greatly deserved it) or it may simply be that new players were drawn in to play this powerhouse of a game.

If it were a game I'd never heard of or knew next to nothing about and it made it to the finals with FF7 I'd make it a point to learn about the game. I doubt I'm the only one, and in a match that close every vote counts.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

"the non-bracket voters have to favor Vivi by with nearly 70% to get the actual poll result."

What, you don't think it's possible? It IS Vivi, after all.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

First character =/= games

Second of course CT was suppose to do better then Mario's games. Since Mario = Crono and Crono gets popularity from his 1 game and Mario gets populairty from his many games one would expect CT should be stronger then any of Mario's games
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Summer 2004 Contest 21/24 Sonic vs. Terry

Who was it that chided me for saying to "hope for 25% instead of 30%" because Terry would "Definitely get 25%"

Yeah, ok....

We see how that worked. At this rate you may want to hope for 20%
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The only reason this is here is because posts without sigs look ugly.

"First character =/= games"

No way? Seriously? I mean, if that were true I would have said that soemwhere in my post... Oh wait, I did.

"We may know there's no direct relation between the two"

Perhaps you should read the entire post before trying to tell me things I already know and have stated myself on numerous occasions, okay?

"Second of course CT was suppose to do better then Mario's games."

Wait, didn't you just try to remind ME that characters and games work a little differently? Let's be honest here, Mario's best game actually out did the man himself. We don't know how to correlate one with the other all that well, apparently, so you can't by any means imply that it was expected for CT to absolutely trounce the Mario games. Are all characters the sum of their games? Looking at Samus and her games I gotta say that we can't come to THAT conclussion with ease. Her three combined could be no means make up her popularity if Link needs all of his to maintain his popularity while the two series differ so greatly in strength. You just can't in any way say that there is a deffinate connection between the two and figure it out that easily.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Why do people keep comparing characters and games?!!!!

For all we know, Cloud could be equal to NiGHTS and FFVII could be equal to Ratchet.

Until there's been a Cloud Vs. OOT match, this is all speculation.
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"You see, a woman who's best friend is a firearm really needs help. I little dinner,a little dancing, I think I can help you out." - Sly Cooper.

"For all we know, Cloud could be equal to NiGHTS and FFVII could be equal to Ratchet."

Right, and every game ever made just sucks so much ass then, right? Be realistic instead of being an ass. We can make GENERALIZATIONS based off of FF7 and OoT. They are in no way equal, but there are correlations to be made.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

I'm betting that a lot of people, after seeing Chrono Trigger kick so much ass in the spring contest, went and found a ROM for CT and played through it. I'm hoping that enough people did that to give Crono the edge over Mario.
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You play with your controller in one hand for 85% of the game. If that isn't a gaming experience, I don't know what is. -the jp, on FFX-2

"I'm hoping that enough people did that to give Crono the edge over Mario."

Considering how far down vote totals are it wouldn't take much.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Yes because everyone who has ever played CT will automatically vote Crono over Mario.

It only takes a few hundred people to go and play CT, fall in love with Crono, and decide to vote for him instead of Mario to give Crono the edge. Any advantage either character can get is very significant.
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You play with your controller in one hand for 85% of the game. If that isn't a gaming experience, I don't know what is. -the jp, on FFX-2

"Yes because everyone who has ever played CT will automatically vote Crono over Mario."

Your statement = unnecessary flapping of your fingers. We know not everyone who plays CT will absolutely love Crono, otherwise he'd never have lost to Mario, no doubt, but if even a handful of people DO in a match that close it means something.

There are words that I'd like to use to describe you. That'd break the ToS, however, so I politely request you save your comments for something we don't already know.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

"It only takes a few hundred people to go and play CT"

Really it doesn't even take 100... with vote totals down 100 people changing their minds results in 50.05/49.95 in favor of Crono, as in a complete reversal.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

About how much does Ryu need to beat KOS-MOS by in order to have a legitimate chance at hadokening Sonic out of the contest?
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Sonic would be expected to get 67.12% on KOS-MOS last year, so Ryu has to get pretty close to that.
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Current Pick: Sonic; Current Vote: Terry (for HM); Points: 24/24
Henshin a go-go, baby!

Sonic would be expected to get 67.12% on KOS-MOS last year, so Ryu has to get pretty close to that.

I really doubt Ryu will do that well. Maybe this is just my KOS-MOS fanboyism speaking, but she is still an RPG character on GameFAQs, and she does have a cult following who put her quite nicely over Crash, plus I think she would be gaining rather then dropping in strength with Xenosaga Episode II on the way.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Damn it all... GameFAQs and their lack of knowningness on the awesome Terry Bogard. Not even 20%? Just sad. =\
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

The problem with that second par tis that it's on the way, as in not here. I don't expect her to be any weaker, but I also don't see her doing better than expected.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

I really doubt Ryu will do that well.

You might not like the 60%+ he will be getting on KOS-MOS tomorrow then. I think 67% is obtainable, but he's still projected to get over 60% on her.

And yes 60% on Ryu would be something considering how Sonic is only expected to get 56% on him.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

If it is, then perhaps the game was more popular then we thought, and Tails may be looking better.

There's nothing to really signify Sonic Heroes helping Sonic out and you still have one Sonic character from that game losing and another underperforming.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

OH MY ****ING GOD! Sonic has over 80% on TERRY FREAKIN BOGARD?!?! That's unheard of! It's CRAAAAAAAAAZY!



Oh wait, it's just what I expected.
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Mega Man vs. Jim - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Sonic vs. Terry - Bracket: Sonic - Vote: Sonic (23/24)

Of course not. Terry Bogard should be winning right now, but hey we can't get everything.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Damn right he should.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Can someone tell me what is so great about Crono and Chrono Trigger? I got the game a while back for PSX and I tried to like the game, I swear to God I tried, but I just couldn't stand it. I gave it at least two or three hours and I was bored to tears. On top of that, mute heros just aren't very interesting to me, I don't want to spend 30+ hours controlling a guy who never says anything the entire time. For that matter I don't want to have to play a game for more than three hours before anything interesting happens; a game has to hook you almost immediately to be any good, IMO, ESPECIALLY an RPG.

I am in no way trying to bash either the character or the game, I just want to know what's so great about them.
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"Spira is full of death...only SIN is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly."- Auron

"I don't want to spend 30+ hours controlling a guy who never says anything the entire time."

Not a Nintendo fan either, then, I'd take it.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

And what in the hell is this about Crono having momentum? What is this from the Spring Contest or something?
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Chaos Division: Round 1 - Match 26 – (8)KOS-MOS vs. (9)Ryu

Moltar’s Analysis

KOS-MOS
Game/Series Known From: Xenosaga
Extrapolated Rank in 2002: N/A
Extrapolated Rank in 2003: 36th
Seed in 2002: N/A
Seed in 2003: 7
Lost in Round 2 to Samus in 2003.

The beautiful KOS-MOS is back. KOS-MOS in anything = good in my opinion.

Ryu
Game/Series Known From: Street Fighter Series
Extrapolated Rank in 2002: 10th
Extrapolated Rank in 2003: 18th
Seed in 2002: 4
Seed in 2003: 5
Lost in Round 2 to Samus in 2002 and to Snake in Round 3 in 2003.

Not many fighting characters do well in GameFAQs Contests. Ryu is not one of them. Definitely worthy of being in the Contest.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=985
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1340

Ok, this is a nice example of a match that is hard to predict looking at it, but easy once you look into the stats. KOS-MOS and Ryu both faced Samus. Ryu faced her in 2002 and lost 42-58. KOS-MOS faced her in 2003 and lost 30-70. Samus was even slightly weaker in 2003 than in 2002. Ryu also had a better showing in 2003. The Street Fighter wins easily. Unfortunately, we also get only 1 KOS-MOS match pic this year. ;_;

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Ryu will win.

Moltar’s Prediction is: KOS-MOS 42% - Ryu 58%


Ulti’s Analysis

This match is being debated? There is no reason for this match to be debated:

Summer 2003 - North Round 1 - (7) KOS-MOS [30.25%] vs (2) Samus [69.75%] - 39.5%
Summer 2002 - West Round 2 - (5) Samus [57.85%] vs (4) Ryu [42.15%] - 15.7%

They each have a common opponent, and there is too large a gap between them for KOS-MOS to make up.

Ulti’s Bracket/Prediction - Ryu/Ryu with 57.44%



Cena’s Analysis

Good, another interesting match. I'm liking this division so far. KOS-MOS is a sexy robot, and Ryu is, well, he's the man (aside from Ken Masters, of course). I honestly don't have much to say for this match, except it's possible that it could go either way. KOS-MOS is from Xenosaga, a well known, well reviewed RPG. That's straight down GameFAQs' alley. Plus, she's female, so that's gotta be 20,000 votes right there. Ryu, however, is from the more popular Street Figher series, in which he kicks major ass and doesn't even bother to take names. Like I said, it could go either way, but I'm expecting Ryu to take it.

I used a lot of commas there.

Cena's Vote: Ryu

Cena's Prediction: Ryu with 54% (I wonder if Ryu could take down Sonic in round 2)

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Mega Man vs. Jim - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Sonic vs. Terry - Bracket: Sonic - Vote: Sonic (23/24)

I think that is what it comes from...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I was talking about RPGs. Link and Mario are fine, as they are classics. It's mute RPG heros that bug me.
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"Spira is full of death...only SIN is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly."- Auron

Okay, I love the three underestimations of Ryu there.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

What is Ryu expected to get on KOS-MOS anyway?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Okay, but then you say that as if Crono doesn't speak, which he does, they just don't show his text. Why? Because you're not exactly playing a role if the game does all the talking to you.

Plus, you played it on the PSX, load times on it suck, and in that 3 hours you'd be lucky to get what you could out of 2 hours on the SNES.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

He's expected to get 62.59% on KOS-MOS.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

It's true that you do actually see Crono speak, you just choose what he says EVERY SINGLE TIME.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Okay, I love the three underestimations of Ryu there.

You mean just like how we "underestimated" Terry?
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Mega Man vs. Jim - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Sonic vs. Terry - Bracket: Sonic - Vote: Sonic (23/24)

You mean just like how we "underestimated" Terry?

Terry was hope on my part, but the fact you all think Ryu is going to get under 60% with barely any description I saw strikes me as an overestimation of KOS-MOS because she's an RPG character or an underestimation of Ryu. I mean the closest prediction is 4% off of what he's expected to get while the furthest is 8%.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Only dillusional people thought Terry could get 30% anyway.

Now, hoping for 25% is ok, but thinking he's guaranteed 25% is also dillusional.
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The only reason this is here is because posts without sigs look ugly.

two hours or three, it doesn't matter, if I'm going to dedicate 30+ hours of my time to a game, especially an RPG, it has to hook me sooner than in 2 or 3 hours. Ideally a game should hook a player within fifteen minutes of pressing the NEW GAME button, and it's big points against any game that doesn't.
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"Spira is full of death...only SIN is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly."- Auron

Numbers or not, I just don't see Ryu getting over 60%. KOS-MOS is a popular character from a RPG that has a definite fanbase here at GameFAQs, and Ryu, even if he is the most popular fighting game character on GameFAQs, is STILL from a fighting game.

And fighting games are at best a niche genre here at GameFAQs.

What today's match and tomorrow's match will prove is that there is no chance Ryu is beating Sonic.
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Hmph.

I'll comment on that in 24 hours..
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Mega Man vs. Jim - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Sonic vs. Terry - Bracket: Sonic - Vote: Sonic (23/24)

What today's match and tomorrow's match will prove is that there is no chance Ryu is beating Sonic.

Today's match doesn't show a thing on Ryu, you're talking two totally different people there. This is the same Ryu that got 42% on Solid Snake last year, now whether he'll be able to beat Sonic still remains unlikely but make no mistake he'll be making it a close match.

Also, I'm the exact opposite when it comes to numbers. Regardless of what they say, I couldn't possibly see Ryu dipping under 60%.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Today's match proves nothing on Ryu, but it sure does prove that Sonic's doing just fine.

If I remember correctly, anyone who predicted or analyzed a Ryu victory over Sonic seemed to think that Sonic would have to decrease in popularity for Ryu to have any chance. As far as I can see in today's match, Sonic seems to be maintaining his strength just fine.

On another note... Wouldn't this whole possible upset dealie be much more interesting if Ganondorf was the 8-seed in this division?
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Hmph.

Or Magus... or maybe Zero for a rematch. Those could be interesting...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Well, like I said it is still unlikely that Ryu will beat Sonic but you better believe it can very well happen. It's not like Sonic has it easy next round. I do believe if Ryu will still be getting over 45%, however.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Hey, ya know what would be really cool for the 2005 contest?

A Square vs. Nintendo bracket. 32 Square characters, 32 Nintendo characters, with 32 Square vs. Nintendo matches in the first round.

That'd be awesome.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

I have a feeling that more of the Nintendo characters would be fodder than Square characters, but it would be interesting to me at least...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I could see Ryu managing 59% at the worst. He's not guaranteed 60% for sure.

Also, we've been saying that this contest's numbers and even some of the characters resemble 2002 moreso than 2003. Is it completely out of the question that even an elite character like Sonic could have returned to his 2002 numbers? Say what you want, but there was really no reason for a drop of the magnitude Sonic took last year. His games had finally hit another platform after being dead on the Dreamcast for a couple of years. His fall could've just been due to a change in the voting pool.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Enough whining from the Terry Bogard fans. Don't blame Sonic! Blame CJayC for making him 16th seed fodder! Seriously though, Sonic is still Noble Nine material no matter how many people dislike him or say that he is slipping.

One observation of Sonic. I don't think Sonic Heroes should hurt him any in his contest. Sonic has been out for a while now and has plenty of games under his belt. The thing that has truly hurt Sonic the most is his lack of a significant appearance in the 32-64 bit era. Sega just failed to utilize it's flagship series, and with the big boom of Playstation and video games as a whole, most of the video game audience went to turn their attention towards FFVII and the Cloud's and Sephiroths.

Granted, Sega tried to bring Sonic back with a splash with Sonic Adventure, but Dreamcast wasn't mainstream enough and the game didn't set a bomb on the industry like it should have. Samus is kinda similar to Sonic. Only Nintendo at least continued her marketability through SSB and SSBM. So when they brought in Metroid Prime, it drew enough buzz to set a bomb on the industry, and thus the projected increase in Samus' popularity. Nintendo KNOWS how to use their franchises. Capcom is doing well with Megaman too. Sonic should be between Samus and Megaman if Sega played their cards right.....
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Far to early to try to make that conclusion now, but if he did he'd be expected to get 62% against a 2003 Ryu. So, we'd be able to tell more next round.

On that same note, Samus' drop was always odd.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

A Square vs. Nintendo bracket. 32 Square characters, 32 Nintendo characters, with 32 Square vs. Nintendo matches in the first round.

I do believe CJayC addressed this issue when he posted his topic about the seedings, who got in and who didn't, and whatnot. If he had just allowed the top 64 nomination getters into the contest in that order, the bracket would've likely been mostly Nintendo vs. Square. It might please a few people here, but it would irritate a lot more. You've already got enough people disgusted that a select few Nintendo and Square characters dominate the contest. You'd just add to that by having a bracket full of them.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 8/25/2004 4:36:44 PM
You might not like the 60%+ he will be getting on KOS-MOS tomorrow then.

Kinda like you and today. =p

There's nothing to really signify Sonic Heroes helping Sonic out and you still have one Sonic character from that game losing and another underperforming.

Well, if Sonic really is overperforming from what some people expected, then perhaps (Knuckles aside) Sonic Heroes helped Sonic. And if it helped Sonic, perhaps it helped Tails too. Or perhaps it hurt him, like it did with Knuckles (Damn Knuckles vs Snake is going to be an interesting match). And perhaps the Heroes Pic is helping.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Unless Ryu doubles KOS-MOS tomorrow, there isn't even a .1% chance he can beat Sonic. I'm extremely confident on this one.

And, um... Ryu isn't strong enough to double KOS-MOS. For a fighting game character, just beating a RPG character on this site is a huge achievement... Let alone doubling him/her.
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Hmph.

I don't know why, but I don't really think that Sonic or Samus would've actually gotten the numbers they were supposed to get in the X-Sts in 2002. It just seemed odd for them to be above Cloud and Mario. I'm probably wrong about that, but it just "feels" wrong =/.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Is that a Sonic Heroes picture? I could've swore that was the picture Sonic had in the Cloud massacre last summer.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

And, um... Ryu isn't strong enough to double KOS-MOS. For a fighting game character, just beating a RPG character on this site is a huge achievement... Let alone doubling him/her.

You seem to be making this said RPG character to be far stronger than she really is. KOS-MOS is still a bottom 32 character, honestly.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I think it is a mirrored picture or something:

http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=16&phid=59
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Well, if Sonic really is overperforming from what some people expected,

People? You mean Chichiri and myself? <<

then perhaps (Knuckles aside) Sonic Heroes helped Sonic.

And Shadow? What about him?
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

And yeah this picture isn't new or anything.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

And you're making the fighting game character stronger than he is. So we're even.
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Hmph.

Not really. If I were I would be saying some outrageous number that, as of now, he isn't capable of getting.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

People? You mean Chichiri and myself? <<

I'm sure there are others there too. Plus you and Chichiri know as much about these contests as anyone.

And Shadow? What about him?

When Tidus gets 45% on Megaman and Megaman blows away Snake by more than last year, Shadow won't be looking so bad.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Outrageous number? Um... The whole beating Sonic thing seems a bit outrageous to me.
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Hmph.

Why are we talking about Sonic and Samus's drops as if they're something new?

It's most likely due to WDF, whatever that might be.
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"You see, a woman who's best friend is a firearm really needs help. I little dinner,a little dancing, I think I can help you out." - Sly Cooper.

When Tidus gets 45% on Megaman and Megaman blows away Snake by more than last year, Shadow won't be looking so bad.

He lost to Tidus, which would mean for him to increase from Sonic Heroes Tidus would have to see an increase that is just slightly more than what he had. That just doesn't make a lot of sense to me, and when Tidus gets around 40% and less we'll see just how good Shadow looks. ;)

So you have Knuckles underperforming against Kefka and Shadow losing to Tidus yet Sonic Heroes would help Sonic and maybe Tails? Like I said, its not really something that can be said based on this match and I'm one to think it didn't have an affect. Positive or negative.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Also... From last year.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1320

Sonic beat Ken 69-31. Now, I don't care what the extrapolateds say on this, just use your common sense.

Is Ryu really THAT much stronger than Ken?
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Hmph.

That was more in reference to KOS-MOS.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I don't know why, but I don't really think that Sonic or Samus would've actually gotten the numbers they were supposed to get in the X-Sts in 2002. It just seemed odd for them to be above Cloud and Mario. I'm probably wrong about that, but it just "feels" wrong =/.

*coughWestDivisionFactorcough*
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Current Pick: Sonic; Current Vote: Terry (for HM); Points: 24/24
Henshin a go-go, baby!

Is Ryu really THAT much stronger than Ken?

Sadly, yes. Ken took an insane drop last year, for whatever reason, going from 14th to 40th.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

*coughWestDivisionFactorcough*

Sephiroth overperformed against Link and made them look better? Or....?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

The whole idea behind WDF doesn't make any sense to begin with. Sephiroth overperforming is, what I believe to be, garbage. Then again, Sonic and Samus taking drastic falls is ood as well. *shrug*
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

He lost to Tidus, which would mean for him to increase from Sonic Heroes Tidus would have to see an increase that is just slightly more than what he had.

Shadow could have increased if you factor in him getting Mario anti-votes last year.
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"You see, a woman who's best friend is a firearm really needs help. I little dinner,a little dancing, I think I can help you out." - Sly Cooper.

He lost to Tidus, which would mean for him to increase from Sonic Heroes Tidus would have to see an increase that is just slightly more than what he had. That just doesn't make a lot of sense to me, and when Tidus gets around 40% and less we'll see just how good Shadow looks. ;)

But Auron seems to have increased a lot, using what he was expected to get on Scorpion, am I correct? Assuming he has, then Tidus would have too.

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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Sephiroth overperformed against Link and made them look better? Or....?

That'd be the theory. Considering that Sonic, Samus, Mega Man, Ryu, and Ken all dropped, CATS stayed constant, and Seph didn't go up nearly as much as Cloud, it makes a lot of sense. The only anomaly is Crash, who went up. 8/9 isn't bad for a theory.
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Current Pick: Sonic; Current Vote: Terry (for HM); Points: 24/24
Henshin a go-go, baby!

When I decided on 25% for Terry I didn't really take into account the idea that Sonic's drop from 2k2 to 2k3 was temporary. The thing is, I actually half way bought into the idea of a WDF which would have made Sonic stronger than he should have been in 2k2 thus establishing a reason for his 2k3 drop. Obviously this cannot be the case *throw the wdf bull**** out the window* because it is his 2k3 performance that was clearly out of line. That + SH + DK being mainstream fodder = Reason for Sonic hitting over 80%

Clearly, the WDF doesn't and never did exist.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

I know what the extrapolateds say. I just don't see it making any sense... Most street fighter fans I've seen on the boards like Ken better than Ryu anyway, and Ryu is hardly that much more recognizable to fans of the series.

How is it feasible to think that 20% of the voting pool would vote Sonic over Ken but Ryu over Sonic? And that's being generous... Some fans of Ken can't stand Ryu. This is a lot to ask of Ryu, fighting game icon or no.
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Hmph.

But Auron seems to have increased a lot, using what he was expected to get on Scorpion, am I correct? Assuming he has, then Tidus would have too.

Auron had a reason to increase from Cloud/Auron SFF. Even then, I don't believe Scorpion stayed the same from last year. You'd have to present a reason for Tidus to increase.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

But Auron seems to have increased a lot, using what he was expected to get on Scorpion, am I correct? Assuming he has, then Tidus would have too.

Or maybe he had SFF from his match with Cloud and he was just showing his strength now?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

There are a lot of stats in 2002 that just cannot be explained. Heck, there are even stats from last year that we're having a difficult time explaining right now, such as the whole Luigi/Pac-Man/Knuckles/Kefka thing right now.

So what would 2002 Sonic be expected to get against Terry? And where would he fall in last year's rankings facing 2003 Sonic?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Current Vote: Terry (for HM);

RPGuy, you own so much. ^_^
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Well, the people up front obviously like Ryu more and/or easily recognize him as opposed to Ken. There's enough reason for Ryu to be stronger than Ken, and even by a great deal despite how crappy it may be.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Auron had a reason to increase from Cloud/Auron SFF. Even then, I don't believe Scorpion stayed the same from last year. You'd have to present a reason for Tidus to increase.

Or maybe he had SFF from his match with Cloud and he was just showing his strength now?

I don't believe that match was the result of SFF. And if Scorpion dropped, then I would assume Ryu would drop too. They are from different games and such, but neither would have a reason to increase.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

We'll see what Tidus is made of against Mega Man, depending how high into the 40s he can get.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

RPGuy, you own so much. ^_^

I woke up and saw Terry struggling to hit 19%. I had to. Plus, I'd love to see Ryu upset Sonic in the 2nd round. I've always been a Nintendo and Square fan; seeing Sega's mascot lose would be priceless.
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Current Pick: Sonic; Current Vote: Terry (for HM); Points: 24/24
Henshin a go-go, baby!

Ryu is definitely more recognizable than Ken. Not because of fans of the series, but because of the people who aren't so much fans of the series but like it a bit.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

I don't believe that match was the result of SFF. And if Scorpion dropped, then I would assume Ryu would drop too. They are from different games and such, but neither would have a reason to increase.

*coughMortalKombatisgarbagecough*

Ryu did drop from 2002 to 2003, however.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Isn't Street Fighter Collection coming out soon? Isn't that like, the second online fighting game ever? Isn't that going to help a bunch if it gets out before Ryu vs Sonic?
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

depending how high into the 40s he can get.

Or how low... or even if he hits it.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

"So what would 2002 Sonic be expected to get against Terry?"

I can't remember how much SFF hurtin' he was supposed to have had, but today's match is right around where he should have been with both characters at 2k2 strength.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Isn't Street Fighter Collection coming out soon?

August 31st. Roughly a week or so before Sonic vs. Ryu.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

*coughMortalKombatisgarbagecough*

MK was my first fighting game ever. I haven't played it in years, and I voted for Auron, but I still like it.

And in other news, I just now beat Wind Waker. I have to say the badass-ness of the final boss almost makes up for the 80% of the game sailing.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Or how low... or even if he hits it.

Oh he will. Whether or not Tidus hits 40% isn't the issue here. It's how deep into that number he gets.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Then that looks good for a little jump in Ryu. After all, I'm sure many XBox owners will be enticed by an online street fighter. I wish it was online for PS2 as well V_V.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

80 seconds of an increadibly easy battle makes up for 80% sailing? I remember that battle with the big G-man, and it didn't take me very long at all to complete once I knew how it was done.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Clearly, the WDF doesn't and never did exist.

You do know that Sonic dropped more then what we thought was the range of the WDF

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Summer 2004 Contest 21/24 Sonic vs. Terry

And in other news, I just now beat Wind Waker. I have to say the badass-ness of the final boss almost makes up for the 80% of the game sailing.

A good final boss, but not nearly as cool as Ganondorf, Evil King of Darkness/GANON in OoT, or as good of a fight as Ganon in LttP. Still cool, though.
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Current Pick: Sonic; Current Vote: Terry (for HM); Points: 24/24
Henshin a go-go, baby!

"You do know that Sonic dropped more then what we thought was the range of the WDF"

You do realize he is performing today almost exactly the same as he would have in 2k2, right?
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

So what would 2002 Sonic be expected to get against Terry? And where would he fall in last year's rankings facing 2003 Sonic?

He would be expected to get 82.04% on Terry with SFF adjusted 2002 rankings. Without SFF adjusted he'd be expected to get 88.64% on Terry.

A 2003 Sonic against a 2002 adjusted Terry would have him at 78.82%.

In 2003 rankings Terry would place inbetween CATS and Ratchet, I believe.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

You do know all this talk of Sonic performing at 2002 levels makes me sad, don't you?

;_;
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

80 seconds of an increadibly easy battle makes up for 80% sailing? I remember that battle with the big G-man, and it didn't take me very long at all to complete

I actually lost the first time . . .

But I beat him in like 5 mins on the second. But it was still cool.

A good final boss, but not nearly as cool as Ganondorf, Evil King of Darkness/GANON in OoT, or as good of a fight as Ganon in LttP. Still cool, though.

So many Ganondorf's, so little time . . .
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Oh he will.

Oh we'll see. I'm countin' down the days.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

It makes me happy. It gives me hope for that Elite Eight upset. It doesn't look like as much of a stretch as it did at first.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I'm not commenting on anything until I at least see Samus have a shot at it. Far to many times have I seen people suddenly start worrying/get excited when the opposition hadn't had a chance to have his/her go.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

This game lets you pick any Street Fighter II character from any one of those five games, allowing you to pit Street Fighter II Zangief against Super SF2 Turbo Dee Jay, if you so desire.

Source: Gamespot, describing Street Fighter II: Hyper on Street Fighter Anniversarry Collection


O_O!!

I did NOT realize it was that crazily cool!!!! Must. Get. This. Game.

Thank god I have X-Box live...
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Well, I hate to break your party (it broke mine too), but Xbox won't be getting it until around January 11, 2005. =(
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Yes, that's one of the things I'm eagerly anticipating about the SF Anniversary Edition as well as the opportunity to FINALLY play SFIII: 3rd Strike.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I'd still consider an elite 8 upset out of the question if this is 2k2 Sonic. Metroid Prime is bound to have a much larger impact than Sonic Heroes. Samus will be comfortable in her win this year.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

*jaw drop*

;-;

That makes me a saad panda...
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

FINALLY play SFIII: 3rd Strike.

That game owns so much.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

You do realize he is performing today almost exactly the same as he would have in 2k2, right?

Looks at results

O_O

When did Sonic break 80%, guess I should check the results more often

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Summer 2004 Contest 21/24 Sonic vs. Terry

"as well as the opportunity to FINALLY play SFIII: 3rd Strike."

Psh! Been playing THAT for years now on my Dreamcast.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Quick question, with WDF or whatever does Ken still take that massive dive?
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

He broke 80 after about 6 and a half hours.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

"O_O"

Okay, then I take it you weren't aware...
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Wait, HM, do you have an X-Box with live?
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Sonic broke 80% a LONG time ago. He was at 79% this morning when I voted at 8:30 EST and gaining rapidly. He had already hit 79.5% by the time I left for school half an hour later.

Remember, this is the king of the day vote we're talking about here.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Quick question, with WDF or whatever does Ken still take that massive dive?

Ken still falls by 2.77%
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Summer 2004 Contest 21/24 Sonic vs. Terry

Wait, HM, do you have an X-Box with live?

I will on January 11, 2005. ;)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Ken still falls by 2.77%

That'd put him at 27th for 2003, correct?
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Psh! Been playing THAT for years now on my Dreamcast.

Bah, I never owned a Dreamcast, and the only arcade in my area closed down before Double Impact was even released. I've only played the original SFIII, and I loved that one.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Nice. Remember to add magicmaqe119 to your friends list.

Yes, that is a q. I did not notice the typo until after the name was finalized... 'g' and 'q' should never be directly above one another on a virtual keyboard...
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

"I will on January 11, 2005. ;)"

I'm thinking about getting one with the $400 I'm going to win for this contest, but I kinda wanted to mod mine to screw MS... but you can't play on live if you do, I believe.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Yeah. If you mod your Xbox if you try to access Live you'll get banned from it. There is a way I see on TechTV one time that allowed you to simply turn off the modded portion and then go on Live.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Eh, I wouldn't want to give them money for Live anyway... I'm out to screw them, after all.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

06:29:28 13690 3437 79.93% 20.07% 10253
06:34:31 13957 3482 80.03% 19.97% 10475


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Score: 24/24 Leaderboard: 27
Upcoming picks: Sonic, Ryu, Viewtful Joe, Dante

Okay. I checked it and he'd fall at 27th, or in that little pack (with SFF adjusted rankings) and going by the WDF stuff.

I'd like seeing that, and it would only make him around 5% weaker than Ryu (something Bormun was commenting on earlier) as opposed to nearly 9%.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Why are you trying to screw MS exactly? No matter what people try to make it seem like, XBox is a very good system. And now that EA is willing to put sports games online for it as well, it's getting even better. And every single game that goes to all platforms is best on the X.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

That'd also keep any Capcom character from ever falling into the bottom 32. I like, I like.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Geez, this topic is exploding with posts right now...o_O
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

I started to get worried about Part 42 at around 420 posts ^_^;;
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

A good final boss, but not nearly as cool as Ganondorf, Evil King of Darkness/GANON in OoT, or as good of a fight as Ganon in LttP. Still cool, though.

WW fight was better than OoT. Yeah, it was cool to see Ganon in huge pig form, but the actual fight was subpar. The WW fight was pretty simple after you got the hang of it, but it still was fun and presented very well. One of the best Nintendo endings by far. (I even learned how to play Farewell to Hyrule on the piano)

HOWEVER, LttP boss fight >>>>> WW AND OoT. That fight was actually a CHALLENGE. People really underestimate LttP. If that game were updated with a 3-D game engine, it would easily pwn OoT. Ulti implied it's superiority in his review of OoT. Can you imagine fighting the boss of the Flooded Palace in 3-D? Having to aim and hookshot all of the little octopi off of the main one? Not to even mention the Ganon fight in full 3-d.....

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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

"Why are you trying to screw MS exactly?"

Because I hate anybody with less than 2 successful consoles under their belt who think they can buy their way into the business. I hated sony until about 4 years ago as well. I guess I don't like change. *shrugs* Whatever, either way you look at it until they establish themselves as a real player and not a company who will just throw money around to win the war I'm compelled to screw them as much as possible. Once they get more than one game that I actually believe to be worth buying then I'll give them a fair shot.

"And every single game that goes to all platforms is best on the X."

That is perhaps the single greatest fallacy I've ever heard in all 40 parts of this discussion topic. Sonic Heroes? Soul Calibur? There's plenty of games better on other systems, and exactly how many games can you name that are better on the Xbox and didn't take an extra year to get?
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

LttP would be amazing in 3-D... If it was done right. But chances are it would be dumbed down in epic proportions.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

I liked the view (slightly overhead) of ALttP best for the puzzles.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

*Expects to hear Splinter Cell, Prince of Persia and maybe a few uninmportant sports titles but nothing else in response to that last question*
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Okay I can't actually name any game that are better for X-Box... YET! But X-Men probably will be. They both have X in them for one thing.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Oh wait, Splinter Cell, Prince of Persia, Spiderman 2, to name a few. And none of the sports games except Madden 2005 have been better on X-Box yet since they have all been offline as opposed to PS2.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Heh. See, you can't even name any. I threw in PoP to give the benefit of the doubt, though I have no gauge upon which to compare multiple versions. It may actually be just as good on the cube.

Fact of the matter is, all it takes is good programmers and you can put any Xbox game on the cube. They are that close in specs. Talent is what is important in this matter. Because I don't want anything a bunch of untalented losers would make anyway Xbox isn't going to win my over with anything that I'm already getting on another system. They need exclussives, and if they want console buyers to get an Xbox they need exclussives that aren't PC style games. They have Ninja Gaiden and a bunch sequels that are generally inferior to the orginal, that's it.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Mega Man has something to further help his chances at winning this thing...

...a brand-new Mega Man controller for the GameCube and PS2. Oh yes.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

To be honest, I doubt XBox will really get incredible this generation. Hopefully, next generation will bring about a massive swap in the standings with Revolutions over Xbox 2 over PS3. And forget what I said about X-Men Legends, it will be far superior on N-Gage.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

A swap in the standings is unlikely. They are each going for a different demographic to make up their core sales. The only way to break Sony's grip is to provide games for more mature audiences in a console style format. Nintendo stays more towards the younger crowds though they have made effort to do otherwise and Microsoft stays more towards the PC gaming crowds. That gives both of them their niche to stay somewhat competitive in the business, but they need to attack Sony's core audience if they ever hope to take first.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Nintendo's next console should be very interesting. It's, by far, the one I'm most interested in.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Who says they aren't? If DS beats PSP (which it almost certainly will) Nintendo may decide it is time to try and take the console market back from Sony's undeserving hands.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

HM - unsuprising as usual
MM - Nintendo is begining to make efforts, as of yet MS has not.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

It's, by far, the one I'm most interested in.

That's like saying the sky is blue, HM ^_~.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Heh. Well, it's either do I want to see more upgraded technology or a new way to play games? Nintendo's had me hooked since the 80's and I don't plan to let go... ever. =p
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I agree with ChichiriMuyo about X-Box, although I have to say the gap is closing. All it would take is Square-Enix jumping to Gamecube or X-Box for X-Box to make my PS2 completely obsolete. Games are the only thing that the PS2 have going for it.... And those games are spreading to other systems. All of my games for PS2 outside of Final Fantasy X, Kingdom Hearts, and Devil May Cry have a better version on another system.

Certain games for Gamecube don't feel right using the Gamecube controller (Fighting games, Mega Man Anniversary Collection), but between the X-Box and Gamecube, I would be more than happy if those systems had an expanded library of games.

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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I am actually the most interested in Nintendo's too. I am happy they have decided to do something to stir up the market. Hopefully it will work out for them in the end on both the handheld and console front. But seriously, MS and Sony have no chance. Nintendo has Reggie now.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Personally, I don't have any trouble with any of the controllers so I can't really comment on it. And I mean in ANY games.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

I desperately want to know more about the Revolution, too. All three next gen systems will have very similar hardware, and Nintendo looks like the only one who's interested in doing something interesting with it.
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Current Pick: Sonic; Current Vote: Terry (for HM); Points: 24/24
Henshin a go-go, baby!

So.... if a topic hasn't been made at 490 posts, who is making it?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

It really comes from the fact that another "Hey I'm here too!" system just isn't going to work. Nintendo knows they have to get away from this upgrade in technology and just compete on that front. They are reaching out and trying to get people interested in something they haven't seen before, much like the Nintendo DS.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I am fairly sure there are backups. Ulti is sick after all. Just don't bother making it though. If worst comes to worst someone can make one and put TEMPORARY in the title.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

But seriously, MS and Sony have no chance. Nintendo has Reggie now.

That is the truest statement ever posted in a stats topic.
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Current Pick: Sonic; Current Vote: Terry (for HM); Points: 24/24
Henshin a go-go, baby!

He's asked me to do it a couple of times when he wasn't here, but I'm not sure if that officially would qualify as a "backup".
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Just don't bother making it though. If worst comes to worst someone can make one and put TEMPORARY in the title.

I know ^_^. He'd throw a fit if I did ^_^;.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

You know something? Why in the hell do we have one person make the topic everytime?
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

... Because Ulti will get pissy if someone else does?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

HM, I'm sure that if it came down to it both you and I are completely safe to be called "backups". I'd rather not do it, but that's for sheer laziness as opposed to anything else.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Because no one wants to tell Ulti it isn't that big of a deal I guess. And I think that qualifies as a backup.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

But some of the people who make it randomly are bothersome because they don't copy/paste the first post. I like that post because I sometimes go to the links.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Well, assuming he's not around coming the next 30 posts I'll do it.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Remember to put "!yawA tsoP" ^_^.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

How in the world does adjusting for WDF increase Ken's standings in 2003?

WDF has to do with 2002. It has nothing to do with 2003. If anything WDF means that Ken's standing would decrease in 2002, not the other way around.
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"You see, a woman who's best friend is a firearm really needs help. I little dinner,a little dancing, I think I can help you out." - Sly Cooper.

Heh. Sounds good.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Out of curiosity, was I the only one who considered the possibility of Aryll being 15 or 16 seed fodder this contest? (We didn't know about the 10 character limit) I know she won't next year, because WW has weak staying power, but if any 4th Zelda character would make it, she would, right?
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

30 posts would be a full topic <_<
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

If it were possible to count her as a seperate character, then maybe Shiek...

But I don't think she would actually count as a seperate character.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Shiek would probably be the most likely fourth Zelda character should she count. Same with Ganon.
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"You see, a woman who's best friend is a firearm really needs help. I little dinner,a little dancing, I think I can help you out." - Sly Cooper.

Well didn't she have a separate personality from Zelda? I haven't played OOT or MM or whatever one Shiek is from...
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Ganon would never make it in along with Ganondorf. That's just stupid.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

There's no way Aryll gets in this contest. I'd take Epona before I'd allow her to get in.... OY! Epona would pwn all in this contest....
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Ganon and Ganondorf are even the same name... It's like Tim and Timothy........
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Epona would be cool. And she'd (it is a girl, right?) would have an excuse for not really having a personality ;).
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

As for the Ken thing, I think I had it at that if Sonic were at his 2002 level for this year, or something. In fact, I forgot why I went through that.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

No personality? What are you talking about? You don't remember how she initially hated Link's guts and proceeded to run away and mock him in his futile attempt to catch her?

Bad-ass'd to the fullest
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Looks like HM made 42, but we should fill this one up first
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Summer 2004 Contest 21/24 Sonic vs. Terry

No personality? What are you talking about? You don't remember how she initially hated Link's guts and proceeded to run away and mock him in his futile attempt to catch her?

Okay, I exaggerated a bit ;).

Bad-ass'd to the fullest

Absolutely ^_^
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Okay. I'm nominating Epona next year.
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I chose the road less traveled -- now where the heck am I?
A Picture Is Worth 1,000 Words, But It Uses Up a Thousand Times the Memory

Well, this topic's discussion may as well wrap up. We can migrate to 42.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

*generic filler post*
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Epona for 2k5!
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Heh, we've already moved discussion over to part 42 even though we haven't filled this one yet.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Y helo thar discussion topic...
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 23/24, Next Winner: Sonic

Obviously.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Oh well, it happens.
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I chose the road less traveled -- now where the heck am I?
A Picture Is Worth 1,000 Words, But It Uses Up a Thousand Times the Memory

Yay Sonic!
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*Steinershocker*
Mighty Morphin' Power Jesus!

*sighs*
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged