Ulti aint here...I am sure he would be honored that I helped him out :)

Stats websites:

Everything you could ever imagine:
http://www.sc2k4.com

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/2003/index.html

Spring 2004 Contest: (not currently updating)
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/index.html

Stats topics:

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note)

2003-2004 Off-Season:
http://membres.lycos.fr/shindohikaru/stats1.htm (See note)
Note: Don't use the links in the topic to browse through the pages, change the page number in the URL.

Spring 2004 Pre-Season:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason3.htm

Spring 2004 Contest:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats3.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats4.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats5.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats6.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats7.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats8.htm

MMXcalibur's Site:
http://prophetchallenge.hyperboards2.com/index.cgi

!yawA tsoP :)
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Pub Trivian Forever...SC2K4: 11/12 (Hmmm)

Works for me. I don't care who makes the topic, honestly.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Thanks Mario! i can always count on your support!

Anyway..Frog is up by 350 now with 12 hrs or so to go...works for me! hehe
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Pub Trivian Forever...SC2K4: 11/12 (Hmmm)

Hiya Steve! Not so confident in Frog beating the other Snake now, eh? Or would you like to pass off as another Heroic Mario? ;)

Either way, seems like many people are counting Master Chief out. I wouldn't just yet. Although I am slightly favoring Frog at this point.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 012/012 - Matches: 12/12 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: Frog - Tomorrow: Master Chief

Loved my many...hated by few...respected by all...its...

Steve Illumina Speaks

Right you are, my fans and friends! The witty humor returns for another round of contest madness. Fanboys and diehards alike can come to appreciate the mocking of their beloved characters, their contest, their likes, their dislikes, and the gaming subculture we are all a part of, not to mention sweet Board 8, as the latest fad has come to know it to be called.

And so it begins, with the sixth matchup of the first round in the "What Year is It?" Division...

Master Chief vs Crash Bandicoot
Steve's Pick: Chief
Bracket Pick: Chief
Newbie Pick: Chief
Fanboy's Choice: Chief (Crash fanboys are as dead as the dodo)
My Oracle Pick: 59.30 for Chief
My Prophet Pick: 11112 for Chief
Upset Potential: LOL! ROTFMAO!

Comments: The poster child of the Microsoft/Bungee Axis takes on a faded rodent mascot long forgotten by all but the Naughty Dog stockholders.

Poor Master Chief...he gets such a bad rap...all because he belongs to the Xbox...all for a silly nerdboy concept known as Xbox hate...let me enlighten the uninitiated

Xbox hate (n) 1. Unwarranted dislike for Microsoft's technologically superior system, often caused by bandwagoning with others who share equally uneducated views. 2. The concept thereof of dislike of the Gates' system due to childish conflicts with Windows. 3. A crutch for Halo fanboys who cant accept that StarCraft beat Halo this spring and Aeris took out the Chief last year.

So in essence, Xbox hate is the stupidest concept since extrapolated standings. Or was Xbox hate first? I dunno...but in a future column I shall bash the top ten board rationales for voting trends...that ought get your calculators to misfire! Silly fanboys...

Halo is an excellent game, and Xbox is better than PS2 in many levels. Better online setup by far, hard drive is not a $100 extra, better sound hookups, better graphical capability, better DVD playback, and better versions of games on more than one system. (GTA, BloodRayne, Namco Museum to name a few of many)

So if peeps vote for the better character, a vote for Crash is a wasted vote. Crash dont even belong here. He stinks. Period. He oughta go dig himself a hole and bury himself. Cause he will never win another match here...unless he faces the likes of Lara Croft, JC Denton, CATS, or Tanner. Guybrush? Would beat Crash. Gordon? Yep he would beat him bad. Sad.

A fellow expert of mine called Crash an "Insignificant Bandicoot" It fits...perfectly.

Bye bye lil Crashy...Bring on Kefka!

Results: The Boredom Train is back on track...as the Chief takes an expected but not by all that many votes victory over faded Sony icon Crash by a comfy 60% range.

Quotes: Chief: "Target Acquired...Die Insignificant Bandicoot!" Crash: "So here I am outside Nintendo HQ...umm..yah...buy my game today!"
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Steve Illumina: The Official Satirical Commentator of GameFAQ's Contests
Pub Trivian Forever...SC2K4: 12/13 (Yay Frog!)

Tsk tsk, my dear friend. You don't want to tell me that Felix would get 37% on Aeris now, do you?

MC DOES have an assload of anti-votes. Problem is, so does Crash.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 012/012 - Matches: 12/12 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: Frog - Tomorrow: Master Chief

Hiya Steve! Not so confident in Frog beating the other Snake now, eh? Or would you like to pass off as another Heroic Mario? ;)

Hiya Slow..first off your Chief analysis made me laugh today! :)

Secondly..alright alright I am a little bit worried now! I confess! This result is shockingly close, but I expect the same with Solid but even closer. I just gotta believe in my bracket, ya know? :)
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Pub Trivian Forever...SC2K4: 11/12 (Hmmm)

Crash gets a lot of anti votes?
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- overduegalaxy

*coughulalagot37%cough*
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 012/012 - Matches: 12/12 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: Frog - Tomorrow: Master Chief

http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/sum04b14.jpg

Who could anti-vote the poor Bandicoot when he's ready to do some rappin'? =p
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

I wonder just how many brackets would go down if Liquid Snake loses. I've got this feeling it'd be a good amount of them.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Generally in that type of matches, I'd expect the board favorite to be the underdog in the overall brackets. Remember Tidus/Ganondorf? Kefka/Pac-Man? I wouldn't be surprised if Liquid actually had more brackets winning.

And then if Frog moves on to beat Master Chief... god, we might be getting a little close to Starcraft-dom here.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 012/012 - Matches: 12/12 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: Frog - Tomorrow: Master Chief

M.C. Crash....

Rhymes with Damon Dash..... o_O
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I wonder just how many brackets would go down if Liquid Snake loses. I've got this feeling it'd be a good amount of them.

If the bracket makers vastly favored Tidus, who is to say they didn't do the same for Frog? I'm not expecting 70% for Frog, but I'd guess at least 60% have him.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

I could see that happening, Slow.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Tsk tsk, my dear friend. You don't want to tell me that Felix would get 37% on Aeris now, do you?

MC DOES have an assload of anti-votes. Problem is, so does Crash.

Actually, I would expect Felix to score 30%...37? Nah not that high!

Slow you know MC and Crash is a snoozefest of hated characters! They both get anti votes, joke votes, etc! I really dont like either of them..I would rather see BJ Blastowicz vs Blinx!

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Steve Illumina: The Official Satirical Commentator of GameFAQ's Contests
Pub Trivian Forever...SC2K4: 12/13 (Yay Frog!)

That's what I said in the Oracle topic. Chief could get anywhere between 45 and 70%.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 012/012 - Matches: 12/12 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: Frog - Tomorrow: Master Chief

I'm bankin' on 64-65%, myself.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Tag
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As I Walked Through the Valley of the Shadow of Death... I got Tired.

MC is going to crush Crash. Forget the XBox hate, that's bull now. Halo did great against Starcraft, and we all know that, right? Great!

Where's the Oracle topic? I can't find it. :-(

I say...70.32% for MC.

The only people with Crash in their bracket are fanboys..lol. Sorry to lay it that thick, like always.
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If MC can double Crash, I guarantee a victory for Halo's own in the second round. I mean, Mario's brother did it to Pac-Man, what could stop MC from doin' it to a Sony has-been/never-was?

...but I stick with my safer 64-65% guess, anyways, just in case.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Frog's lead has been cut down to 300 and change as the day vote rolls on, and I think the winner of this beats MC in a close match.

Come on, Frog...
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Current Pick: Frog; Current Vote: Frog; Points: 12/12
Supporter of Frog, Magus, Mega Man, Vivi, and Kefka!

"BTW, I wouldn't be surprised if Frog was the underdog when it came to the general brackets. I think he might be at 40% or something."

I was thinking the same thing as The CN, guys. I really think Frog winning would take more brackets down. He may have been a heavy favorite on the board but off of it... no, I don't see it.

"Don't call Frog a flop unless he loses to Master Chief in the next round."

Indeed.

"After testing out a few theories the weakest LS can be is between Wario and Felix and that's the weakest"

I'm not sur ehow you came to this conclusion, but I'm willing to bet LS is a bit higher than that.

"You know, I was actually dreaming a lot about this match."

Isn't that a bit creepy?

"especially when characters from their game aren't renowned for capturing the day vote."

As compared to MGS I think the day vote can't really favor LS. Really, this is a sight where hedgehogs, squirels, foxes and rats are all generally expected to do better during the day. I think a frog could fit in there as well.

"Most people are at least expecting Ness to beat Jak."

Depends on which group of peopel you ask.

"I believe the BOP had slightly more people predicting Jak to win than Ness."

It does.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

"A fellow expert of mine called Crash an "Insignificant Bandicoot" It fits...perfectly."

You're damn right it does.

"*coughulalagot37%cough*"

Ulala kicks ass.

"Who could anti-vote the poor Bandicoot when he's ready to do some rappin'?"

Yeha, you never here about PaRappa anti-votes... oh wait, you meant rapin'...

"who is to say they didn't do the same for Frog?"

Mainstream appeal, which we should figure would follow LS more than Frog.

"Chief could get anywhere between 45 and 70%."

I'm hoping for around 60% or so myself. Just enough to make crash look better than he should. Then agian, considering that Crash did better last year than the year before 63% might make him look better than he should and we wouldn't know it.

"Halo did great against Starcraft,"

Halo =/= MC, and unless you think MC is ready to beat Solid Snake this year there's more than enough evidence to prove I'm right.

"If MC can double Crash, I guarantee a victory for Halo's own in the second round. I mean,"

So what you're saying is that Frog, is at most, as strong as Tommy Vercetti (2k3)? Because MC is expected to double Crash anyway, meaning that you never thought Frog much higher than say... Jill Valentine. Interesting.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

He may have been a heavy favorite on the board but off of it... no, I don't see it.

Yeah, I predict less than 50% picked Frog to win.

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Okay, I just signed on for the first time today, and holy crap. I feel vindicated now in my belief that Frog really is just some stupid fan favorite.
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This year is Sephiroth's year! Contest Score: 11/11, Next Winner: Zero

Crash Bandicoot has a chance to make the sweet 16.

No joke.. If Felix can get something like 48% aganist Master Chief, Crash can win. Frog is as weak as a turd and Liquid is even weaker...

^ This is not a joke, it's unlikely but you surely must accept thats its possible.

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^ Smurf, The cream of Sonic fanboyism ™

I predict the brackets are going to lean slightly in Frog's favor in this one.

*hidden tag*
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Frog vs. Liquid - Bracket: Frog - Vote: Frog (11/12)

I think less than half the brackets will have Frog as the winner...this can only bode ill for Frog's match against MC next round...why did I let you people convince me he would win? Bah...stupid goddamn Frog screwing my bracket over...
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This year is Sephiroth's year! Contest Score: 12/12, Next Winner: Frog

Smurf, you're a freak. Stop tainting my stats topic.

Smitelf, quit overreacting. I'll slap you if yo udon't stop talkign crazy. Swear to god, it's like the friggin' spring all over again. How many times do I have to tell you people to stop jumping to conclussions when there is no solid evidence? No pun intended on that one, but Liquid Snake could be a hell of a lot stronger than you think. I would put LS over MC, so I don't see why this is any reason to panic. You are over reacting. Stop.

Oh, and as I said not so long ago, animals clearly have the advantage in the day, and Frog is making some startling leaps forward. Pun intended. Being animorphic helps with the platformer crowd, aka the kiddies, and being from CT helps with the nigth crowd. that being said, Frog doesn't have a whole lot to worry about.

Like I said in the Oracle challenge, Master Chief vs. Crash Bandicoot is like the irresistable farce vs. the immovable reject. Both these guys suck and seem destined to underperform. Master Chief underperforming probably means he'll get from 55%-65%. But how much support can Crash Bandicoot, of all people, really get?? Can Master Chief anti-votes overwhelm the power of Crash's inherent suckiness? Only time will tell.

smitelf:
why did I let you people convince me he would win? Bah...stupid goddamn Frog screwing my bracket over...

Now just watch her win the contest, which she wouldn't have without having Frog advance to the 3rd round :)
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"irresistable farce vs. the immovable reject."

LOFL

This is why The CN is so great.

"Now just watch her win the contest, which she wouldn't have without having Frog advance to the 3rd round :)"

You mean Ulti might be rubbing off some of his luck onto her?

So what you're saying is that Frog, is at most, as strong as Tommy Vercetti (2k3)? Because MC is expected to double Crash anyway, meaning that you never thought Frog much higher than say... Jill Valentine. Interesting.

If things stay the same from last year, MC shouldn't be able to double Crash. However, I expect the Chief to go up in popularity, especially after August 24th (though it shouldn't boost him tremendously by any means). I'm also also very confident that Frog is a good deal weaker than Aeris; I'd estimate his rank to be somewhere between Dante and Yoshi (yes, I'd put him that low; consider how much weaker Aeris is than Cloud and Sephiroth, then FF7 is a more popular game than CT, too). If you look at the extrapolated, I'll estimate that Frog would get about 26.5% on Cloud. With Master Chief estimating 25.31% on Cloud last year, if he goes up at all like I suspect he will, this will be close, and MC will have a very good chance of beating him.

**note: I know to not live and die by the extrapolated, but I needed something to help compare to Frog after I assumed who he'd be equal to.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

"If things stay the same from last year, MC shouldn't be able to double Crash."

Dude, according to the math, if it were 100% perfect, Crash would score exactly 33.38%. I would highly consider adding that to your deffinition of being doubled.

"However, I expect the Chief to go up in popularity,"

Don't. Casual voters are down, and as we know the boards tend to disfavor Halo. There's more reason to believe he's down than up, but I'm willing to say he's relatively unchanged.

"especially after August 24th"

Other than a rumor thta is bound to be false I don't think there is anything expected to happen that day that would give MC a boost. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

"I'm also also very confident that Frog is a good deal weaker than Aeris;"

Still no evidence.

"I'd estimate his rank to be somewhere between Dante and Yoshi"

No evidence, but if that's your estimation I'd be happy to accept that. If Frog = Alucard then he's still above MC by a comfy margin.

The only people with Crash in their bracket are fanboys..lol. Sorry to lay it that thick, like always.

My younger brother has Crash winning in his bracket, has never played a Crash game in his life and he really likes Halo.
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I chose the road less traveled -- now where the heck am I?
A Picture Is Worth 1,000 Words, But It Uses Up a Thousand Times the Memory

Halo is an excellent game, and Xbox is better than PS2 in many levels. Better online setup by far, hard drive is not a $100 extra, better sound hookups, better graphical capability, better DVD playback, and better versions of games on more than one system. (GTA, BloodRayne, Namco Museum to name a few of many)

Please educate the 'un'educated, steve.
1) What makes the ps2 online setup so bad?
2) Can you explain about the better dvd playback. xbox plays dvd's. PS2 plays dvd's. What makes xbox's so much better :)

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SC2k4 Score: 11/12

Nothing wrong with Crash.
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My younger brother has Crash winning in his bracket, has never played a Crash game in his life and he really likes Halo.

*ROTFL* How is your brother? 6? 5? *ROTFL*
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I feel vindicated now in my belief that Frog really is just some stupid fan favorite.

I still believe both of these could take down Master Chief and rank high in strength.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

*agrees with smitelf*

Heroic Mario, you keep telling yourself whatever you need to to be happy :P

lol, no, there is still a chance that they are both stronger than master chief, but Halo hate, and to an extent Xbox hate, may just be another one of our board problems. And also with august 24, its not a rumor, because something is almost guranateed to come out that day, whether it be a trailer (boo!!) or something bigger than that, I can almost guranatee something significant on that day. it is more that just a rumor.


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Heroic Mario, you keep telling yourself whatever you need to to be happy :P

The fact that people think both of them are weaker is what's astounding to me. It would make no sense for the villain of Metal Gear Solid to rank in the bottom half of the bracket and be that far away from Solid. Personally, I think Liquid sucks but that's just me.

lol, no, there is still a chance that they are both stronger than master chief, but Halo hate, and to an extent Xbox hate, may just be another one of our board problems.

I don't really think that's much of a problem nor do I think that would be a reason for these two being stronger. Just looking at these two I would put them over Master Chief without a second thought.

And also with august 24, its not a rumor, because something is almost guranateed to come out that day,

More than likely at a single player demo, but in no way would the game release on that day. In fact, it could be just a big stunt to get more people hyped up about the game and it surely is doing it's job. Make no mistake, Bungie isn't stupid enough to release now as opposed to the biggest shopping season in the US. Either way, I doubt it will be doing much.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Dude, according to the math, if it were 100% perfect, Crash would score exactly 33.38%. I would highly consider adding that to your deffinition of being doubled.

My bad; from a glance, it looked like Crash'd get about 36%...that'll teach me for not lookin' closer.

Don't. Casual voters are down, and as we know the boards tend to disfavor Halo. There's more reason to believe he's down than up, but I'm willing to say he's relatively unchanged.

I wasn't countin' on the casual voters so much as a change of opinions

Other than a rumor thta is bound to be false I don't think there is anything expected to happen that day that would give MC a boost. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm sure Halo 2 won't be shipped then, either, and I highly doubt even a demo will be released. However, I am pretty sure that something will go down that'll spark a pretty damn big interest.

"I'm also also very confident that Frog is a good deal weaker than Aeris;"

Still no evidence.

Estimated logic: Chrono Trigger lost to Final Fantasy 7 with 41.76% of the votes. Next, we know that FF7's hero (Cloud) is more popular than CT's hero (Crono). The same can be said about the villians from FF7 (Sephy) and CT (Magus). From there, it'd be safe to believe that Frog and Aeris are the next in line as side-kicks. Aeris gets instant-respect for her famous FMV no matter what, while I can't think of a moment nearly as defining for Frog. I won't say that Aeris would blow Frog out, but I believe she'd give him a 40-60 loss (not countin' potential-but-likely-minor-SFF), whereas Cloud would likely give Crono a 63-37 loss without SFF (according to the extrapolated...dammit, I was trying to leave that out this time).

Notice that MC lost to Aeris last year with 39.85% of the votes. That's my reasoning on why Frog/MC could be as close, or closer, than today's match.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

"I wasn't countin' on the casual voters so much as a change of opinions"

Given this site's track record do you honestly believe that there will be a change in opinion without a shift in voter population?

"However, I am pretty sure that something will go down that'll spark a pretty damn big interest."

A trailer isn't enough, since it will only interest existing fans.

'From there, it'd be safe to believe that Frog and Aeris are the next in line as side-kicks."

But Aeris ISN'T next in line.

Once again, my explanation for Chief's performance:

Chief falls into the cult syndrome. This does not make him a cult character, but for a group of people, they will vote him over any other character, ala other cult charcters. This is why Felix could score so high, and why Chief did decently against Aeries.

As for why I chose Crash to win: You need to take risks to win it all. I think of all risks, Crash had the best chance to upset. He got decimated by KOS-MOS, but she is a stronger opponent then most'd give her credit for. I would give the casual vote to Crash over Gordon Freemon's cousin heavily, which would balance matters out. This leaves the board/GF vote, and I think Crash gets the deuce there. I admit that I'd favor Chief, but no risk no reward.

It's arguable that Vincent is, I'll give you that, but I still give Aeris the 60-40 win over Frog regardless. I feel safe in saying Frog would get a lil' under 40% on Sonic, and Aeris got almost 47% on him last year.

Besides, back to the Vincent thing, Aeris plays a very crucial part while you don't even have to get Vincent...but let's not start that argument again.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

I fail to see after seven years that people would still be completely clueless on who Vincent is, and these people would vote for it to be the "Best. Game. Ever." and have it on the FAQ list for over 2000 days.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

"but let's not start that argument again."

You don't have to play SC single player, so a lot people may not really know about Kerrigan. But apparently they do play single player at some point in time.

Trust me on this, being a secret character in FF7 doesn't hurt your chances any.


And if Frog can take 40 on Sonic he can beat MC.

You don't have to play SC single player, so a lot people may not really know about Kerrigan. But apparently they do play single player at some point in time.

Trust me on this, being a secret character in FF7 doesn't hurt your chances any.

After both games have been out for somewhere around eight years, I think most FF7 players know who vincent is, and most Starcraft players know who kerrigan is.

Hell, as far as Vincent goes, didnt one poll we have on this site land him as being vastly more popular than Aeris?
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"Hell, as far as Vincent goes, didnt one poll we have on this site land him as being vastly more popular than Aeris?"

Yes.

Looks like Liquid is making quite the push with the afternoon increase.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Don't be fooled HM, Frog has the kiddie vote, we just won't see it til later.

The night vote, yes, but if he doesn't get it and continues to slip here...
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

He's a giant frog with a sword. He won't lose much if really anything with the kiddies. The night vote is his though.

Yea not really worried about it, he's keeping his lead, and at night it'll grow larger.
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2nd Place in Spring Contest 2004 Score:185

Every push Liquid makes is countered. I have faith!

Why do I have a feeling this match will look very similar to MGS vs. FFT?

Anyway, I still think that whoever comes out of this match will beat the daylights out of MC. Remember, MC only beat Felix by 6%.
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Current Contest Score: 11/12
Today's Pick: Frog. O_O'

Looks like we were looking at the wrong matchup in Division 20XX to be the best of the round. This could challenge CT-LttP for the closest wire-to-wire match.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

Here we are back down to the absolute nailbiter like before. Frog leading by 20 votes at the moment.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

1 hour, 45 minutes... night vote. Am I right? Frog, we're commin' for ya buddy!

Frog has surged again! Go Frog, go!

Not even 10 minutes ago it was at 11 and now Frog's climbing back up. He's looking at 68 right now, refusing to let Liquid lead.
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Looks like we know who the "Snake Eater" is.

Aight, so I have been following this match from work all day (but was unable to post anything, because I dare not risk get caught posting a message). What a match... to the best of my knowledge, Frog got up to about 420, and Liquid hit about 25, as far as leads go. What does this say to me? The match is over. Last I checked, Frog was up about 50 votes, but I truly thought the match was over when I first got into work and saw the match dead even. Unless Frog totally chokes and lays an egg (not to mention the logic of CT pwns night vote), Liquid would have had to beat him during the day. The day vote is over, and Frog still leads.

Is it possible that Frog and Liquid are both stronger than Master Chief? I say it is not worth our time until after tomorrow, to see how exactly MC deviates from last year. Personally, I think if he gives over 65% Frog does not stand a chance. If he gets under 55% MC does not stand a chance. And anything in between and I will just flip a coin.
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...and it begins! Next tough match: VYSE vs. Laharl

Yeah, Frog's been just about splitting the day vote with Liquid, so even if he falls behind soon the CT night vote should give him the match. Assuming he gets the CT night vote, which is a safe assumption considering the Crono/Magus/Chrono Trigger all seem to get it.
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Current Pick: Frog; Current Vote: Frog; Points: 12/12
Supporter of Frog, Magus, Mega Man, Vivi, and Kefka!

Liquid is doing better than I expected... I didn't think Solid Snake had a chance against Mega Man before but he might... I'm just going to keep my hopes up. I don't care if i win or lose this thing. I know the odds of me winning are 1 in about 50000 and that is getting in the top 6... but that probably won't happen so I am just sort of fanboying for now. I put Mega Man in my bracket I just love Snake.
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SC2K4 Score 12/12. Today's pick: Frog. Voted For: Liquid Snake.
Fujin is the greatest character ever conceived by man.

It's interesting how Liquid Snake is closer to Solid Snake in popularity than Frog is to Crono. I thought it'd be the opposite, as Crono is a mute hero, while Solid Snake is actually somebody...

Of course, I expected the match to be close in the first place...

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

It's under 120, now! The night vote must come!!
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I didn't think Solid Snake had a chance against Mega Man before but he might...

This match wouldn't really signify that.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

I finally started getting concerned a couple hours ago. It's doubtful that Frog will pull away with the night vote. This will probably go down to the wire.
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Data for all matches - http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php
SC2K4.com/Frog

Is Frog really weak.. Or Liquid underestimated?
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DEFENCE, DEFENCE
"Alas, History is nothing but a lie agreed upon" - Napoleon Bonaparte.

Well, the night vote really hasn't even kicked in yet. Chrono Trigger started it's run at night around 9:00 PM Central. After seeing Liquid constantly do this during the day I'm not exactly worried, I'll get to that point when he actually takes the lead and maintains it for a while.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

*shakes head*

For night votes it goes...

Kanomi > Square > Nintendo > Sega

but that's the first night vote the second night vote can go either way
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Summer 2004 Contest 12/12 Frog vs. Liquid Snake

Show me an instance where Konami has gotten the night vote in a major match.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

^ Switch the "a" and the "o" in Konami ;).
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WTF is OoS? Ocarina of Sex? ~ Stop Fundamentalists

Cauz we saw Luca Blight just PWN Magus come midnight... SARCASM'D
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*is tnote827*

Konami gets night vote over square? I have never seen nor heard this before.
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Did you know 86% of all statistics are made up on the spot?

*See MGS vs. FFT*
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Summer 2004 Contest 12/12 Frog vs. Liquid Snake

What? Final Fantasy Tactics was making it's comeback into the night and actually took the lead late in it.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

What? Final Fantasy Tactics was making it's comeback into the night and actually took the lead late in it.

First it was making a comeback during the whole day

Second read the last line in my first post
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Summer 2004 Contest 12/12 Frog vs. Liquid Snake

Indeed. MGS actually had a lead over 500 before the night vote started kicking in
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He said the first night vote, not the second night vote. And Frog is making me nervous >_<. Quit dropping under 100!!
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WTF is OoS? Ocarina of Sex? ~ Stop Fundamentalists

That's right, I had forgotten about that. Regardless, I'm not going to say Konami gets the night vote above everyone else based on one match against Final Fantasy Tactics. I don't see a reason at all for Liquid to get it over Frog.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Then again, both of them could be fairly even throughout the rest of the night but I see Frog expanding later on in the night.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

^ You'd better be right ;_;.
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WTF is OoS? Ocarina of Sex? ~ Stop Fundamentalists

Well, you gotta give it to Liquid here. He performed better than most expected and is not backing down against Frog. He definitely needs to come back next year with a better seed.
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Magus vs. Luca - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Frog vs. Liquid - Bracket: Frog - Vote: Frog (11/12)

Yikes!!

It's down to 50.02%. Looks like Liquid could reclaim the lead, at least for a little bit, pretty soon now.
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*whistles*--Protoman

And Liquid Snake has now taken the lead.
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*whistles*--Protoman

Liquid Snake finally managed to take the lead, though Frog has been keeping him from doing anything with it.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Frog took the lead right back.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

Hmm, the plethora/phalanx/cornucopia/insert collective noun here of "OMG foo is winning" topics indicates I should call it a night. Hopefully there will be a result tomorrow, don't care who wins, it'll be funny whatever :-)
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Jon Thomson - today: Frog, tomorrow: Master Chief - 11/12
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

OMFG this is close!!11!

*goes back to playing Political Machine*
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This year is Sephiroth's year! Contest Score: 12/12, Next Winner: Frog

From: steve illumina | Posted: 8/13/2004 1:44:23 PM | Message Detail
Ulti aint here...I am sure he would be honored that I helped him out :)

Not at all, actually. I was asleep when the old topic hit 500.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
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That's odd... I made Part 36 when the old topic hit 400 posts, and now it's not there. Oh, well.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
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This'll be close to the end, but I think Frog has it.
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Snake's never upset anything but Metal Gear fans. ~cyko

That's right, I had forgotten about that. Regardless, I'm not going to say Konami gets the night vote above everyone else based on one match

I think Snake kept it close against Crono before the morning vote
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Summer 2004 Contest 12/12 Frog vs. Liquid Snake

That entire match was close, and ended that way. Saying Konami is the ultimate night vote getter when it hasn't proven to do such doesn't exactly work, if you ask me. It's like saying Square gets the morning vote over Nintendo because Final Fantasy VII managed to take it away from Ocarina of Time.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Where's Slowflake? Isn't he supposed to have some weird ability to let the person who he says is going to win, lose?
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WTF is OoS? Ocarina of Sex? ~ Stop Fundamentalists

This is disgustingly close......what's been the flow of this match so far? When I went to bed last night Frog had built a comfortable lead, and then I get back here now and suddenly it's neck and neck. What's been happening?
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"Spira is full of death...only SIN is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly."- Auron

I don't know what you consider a comfortable lead, but Frog peaked at 460. I don't think he even broke 300 during the night.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

The highest Frog has been is at 460, though in a match like this that's enough to be a little more relaxed. Right now he seems to be settled around the 40 mark.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

I must've went to bed right around when he got to 300 then.....that seemed pretty comfortable so early. Oh well. Keep the lead, Frog!

Incidentially, the night vote favors Frog, doesn't it?
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"Spira is full of death...only SIN is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly."- Auron

I think this night vote won't go to anyone and it will be like MGS vs. FFT
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Summer 2004 Contest 12/12 Frog vs. Liquid Snake

I don't think anyone gets a clear advantage with the night vote, really. Mario came back against Crono, remember? All myths, IMO.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
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We thought it would, but it hasn't favored anyone. Neither of them have really won any part of the day.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

The night vote favors Frog, inasmuch as whoever takes the lead in the early hours of the event generally is also strong in the waning hours of the event. Frog didn't take much of a lead, but he had one.
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Very Low Impact 30 min; A narcoleptic aerobics instructor struggles to hide her condition from students and employers.

What Chrono Trigger managed to do to A Link to the Past was getting a night vote advantage. Right now it's just even amongst both of them.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

how come with master chief, the focus is on Felix got 47% on him, when he still got 40% on Aeris?

and sorry if those percents are a bit skewed.
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This match is amazing. Whether Frog wins or not, I don't care as much as I did in the past. I won a contest already. What I do like is the general chaos we've seen on the board tonight. Despite Frog being up 70-30 at the beginning of the match, Liquid has come back to make this thing interesting despite our expectations. Close matches are the best. I just hope this thing breaks Samus/Sonic's record.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

What record would that be?
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"Spira is full of death...only SIN is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly."- Auron

34 vote difference at the end
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WTF is OoS? Ocarina of Sex? ~ Stop Fundamentalists

I'm all behind Frog on winning this match, either way though this is a great one.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Despite Frog being up 70-30 at the beginning of the match,

Oh, you mean the first 25 seconds? Yeah, that was good.
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2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

I actually liked it better when it was at 100-0 (7-0).
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

LS took the lead
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Summer 2004 Contest 12/12 Frog vs. Liquid Snake

Was just about to mention that HM...damn you.
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2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

how come with master chief, the focus is on Felix got 47% on him, when he still got 40% on Aeris?

Chief's a cult character, in there is a good % of people who'd vote him over any other character. I would put him as the strongest cult character in the tournament actually. Factor in anti-Box hate and Gordon Freemon syndrome, and you get the results.

Frog back in the lead. =)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

creative, I'm not seeing any links on your site that lead to update charts. Am I just blind?
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

I don't believe there are any links, but you can just go straight to

http://sc2k4.com/update.php
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Contest status: 11/12 points. Currently anticipating: Ness vs. Jak

Nope, there aren't any links to the poll update charts.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

http://sc2k4.com/update.php?pollid=1730
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

What a match... I never thought Liquid could do this...I better see a lot of broken brackets tomorrow should Froggy get it done.

This match has to be top 3 closest ever...this is great drama

Go Frog! :)
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Steve Illumina: The Official Satirical Commentator of GameFAQ's Contests
Pub Trivian Forever...SC2K4: 11/12 (Hmmm)

Frog now has the lead of 100
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Summer 2004 Contest 12/12 Frog vs. Liquid Snake

but isn't x box the second best selling system?
or even so, I dont' like master chief being cult, I mean, he's from a strong game in the contest, and he's not exactly unknown enough to be cult.
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I don't see how Master Chief can actually be cult... Halo has sold through 4 million copies.
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WTF is OoS? Ocarina of Sex? ~ Stop Fundamentalists

but isn't x box the second best selling system?

Yes. Both worldwide and in North America.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

looks like Frog is starting to build a lead for him now.

How long will it last?
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Summer 2004 Contest 12/12 Frog vs. Liquid Snake

Under 50% picked Frog to go to the 2nd round. I'm sure of it!!
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looks like Frog is starting to build a lead for him now.

How long will it last?

The Night Vote has fully come. There is no way, NO WAY Liquid will come back.
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Please educate the 'un'educated, steve.
1) What makes the ps2 online setup so bad?
2) Can you explain about the better dvd playback. xbox plays dvd's. PS2 plays dvd's. What makes xbox's so much better :)

The DVD in my PS2 never worked right...it skips and such. The Xbox one works great for me, plus with the better sound hookups built in..its great for me.

The online setup...its ok but the Box just has the better organization and more features, plus it continues to evolve.
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Steve Illumina: The Official Satirical Commentator of GameFAQ's Contests
Pub Trivian Forever...SC2K4: 11/12 (Hmmm)

*comes back from work*
*reads the topic and the update chart*
Well well well, looks like I missed one hell of a match.
I'm quite surprised that so many people still think Master Chief has almost no chance to beat the winner of this one.
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SpC2k4 - Triple Crown Winner! (Spread Betting, Betting, Oracle),
SC2k4 Oracle Challenge - Topic ID : 15604161

Trust me the weakest LS can be is between Wario and Felix and even that's highly unlikely
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Summer 2004 Contest 12/12 Frog vs. Liquid Snake

Match XII: (4) Zero vs. (13) Protoman Review

Zero beat Protoman, 71.72% - 28.28%

Unlike today this match is far from close. After boring matches I’m actually running out of things to say in each match. All I can say here is that Protoman suffered from SFF and he is also very likely to get hit by another SFF in Mega Man vs. Zero making him very weak. The only other time I saw a character that got doubled SFF was Pikachu and look at what he’s ranked now. Good luck to Zero in the next round.

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Summer 2004 Contest 12/12 Frog vs. Liquid Snake

Match XIV: (3) Master Chief vs. (14) Crash Preview

Past Performances:

Master Chief: 2002

Did not attend
Ranked: N/A

Master Chief: 2003

Defeated Felix, 52.96% - 47.04%
Lost to Aeris, 39.85% - 60.15%
Ranked: 26th

Crash: 2002

Defeated Ulala, 63.23% - 36.77%
Lost to Sephiroth, 18.48% - 81.52%
Ranked: 36th

Crash: 2003

Lost to KOS-MOS, 38.02% - 61.98%
Ranked: 50th

Analysis:

Master Chief is from the Xbox game Halo. Master Chief is the most popular Xbox character on GameFAQs. Even though he wasn’t in 2002 he was in 2003, but like many of us know the Xbox isn’t very popular on GameFAQs yet it got a 3 seed. Many people thought that the 14 seed Felix from Golden Sun would actually beat his and he almost did getting slightly over 47% of the vote. Then we most of us thought that Aeris would easily double him, but she barley got 60% against him so Master Chief is kind of like a weaker Mario does bad against weak characters, but it’s really hard to double him, only the big 3 are able to double Master Chief. Now the only question is how did he get a 3 seed again in this tournament?

Crash is from the Crash series. Does anybody remember when he was a 2 seed in 2002 boy the seeding were really bad that year. Crash couldn’t double Ulala, but got quadruple by Sephiroth in round 2. In 2003 he couldn’t even crack 40% against KOS-MOS who then barley got 30% against Samus. Crash is a fading icon he used to be popular, until naughty dog abandon him. It looks like Crash may never win another match again, but like Pac-Man and Lara he probably would never miss a contest. But in CJayC’s information about the character for Crash he wrote, “Once a number two seed, with a number one game, Could Crash be on the rebound this year?” could it mean that Crash might win a match?

Sigh the Xbox Mascot has been overseeded again, but this match could go from boring to close match depending on the votes will play out, like other matches. Well I guess we should start this preview.

Well first I will like to say that the Xbox is much hated on GameFAQs and usually gets anti-voted to the next dimension. So as you saw last year Master Chief almost lost to a character that was supposed to be very weak. Master Chief is like a weaker version of Mario. From the x-st Master Chief would’ve beat Isaac about 65/35 and there’s no reason to believe that Felix is that much more popular then Isaac. It looks like Master Chief got anti-voted by about 12%, though it is a rough estimate. Would Crash take advantage against Master Chief and do heavy damage.

Probably not. Like Master Chief, Crash also gets anti-voted in these contests as well, but unlike Master Chief we don’t have a rough estimate on how much anti-votes Crash has. Because getting 63% against a no name robot is just plain wrong and KOS-MOS another robot that who isn’t really out there either got to beat Crash with ease. Crash’s anti-votes may not be as much as Master Chief, but they are still there.

Looks like this match will be the battle of the anti-votes. Boy we haven’t had one of those since Pikachu vs. PaRappa. Though Master Chief may have more then Crash does, he is also much stronger then he is so I guess anti-votes won’t make a difference, but it does make the match much closer. I guess we know why CJayC wrote for Crash in the character line up “But could he be on the rebound”. He knows that Master Chief gets anti-votes so he’s actually hoping that Crash might win.

Charmander’s Bracket: Master Chief

Charmander’s Prediction: Master Chief wins, 58.99% - 41.01%

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Summer 2004 Contest 12/12 Frog vs. Liquid Snake

The Night Vote has fully come. There is no way, NO WAY Liquid will come back.

Why do you consistently act like you know everything? Trust me, you don't.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
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Why do you consistently act like you know everything? Trust me, you don't.

What is that supposed to mean? Are you going to actually prove what I said is wrong if you think it is?

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WTF is OoS? Ocarina of Sex? ~ Stop Fundamentalists

because anybody can come back by 100 votes in 2 hours it's not over yet, but once 200 is broke I'll call it over
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Summer 2004 Contest 12/12 Frog vs. Liquid Snake

Frog continues to increase his lead, and he's getting close to 200. As usual, Chrono Trigger benefits from the late night vote. He was just an hour behind.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

200? I'm waitin' until someone hits 500 before I say anything official...and I highly doubt either'll get a 500+ lead before the end of this. One can gain 200 votes in, like, 2-3 minutes.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

No, it's just that you state everything as a fact instead of opinion. You do it in the most annoying fashion possible, yet you still can't understand why no one likes you. It's pretty funny, really.

Anyway, the lead seems to have stalled at around 150 or so, but who knows. Even if Frog holds on here, he victory is a Pyrrhic one.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Vote totals are slowing way down. Each character is barely getting over 300 votes per 15 minutes. Neither one will be making big gains one way or the other.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

Seems like the match is over, then. Liquid Snake is not Starcraft, and besides, Frog was owning him in the first few moments of the poll. For Liquid to win, he has to do to Frog what was being done to him last night. Not very likely, if you ask me.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

On another note, this match will set a record for the closest wire-to-wire poll by a good 70 votes. Wow.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

So, what's the general consensus right now? Did we greatly overestimate Glenn, greatly underestimate Liquid, or slightly misrepresent both? I know that some of us are waiting for more evidence before coming to a final decision, but what's the feeling right now?

I think this is more a show of Liquid's strength than Frog's weakness. After all, there have been two popular games in the Metal Gear series, and they both have Liquid in them. Poor MGS for the GBC...
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"Antigravity! It's not just for breakfast anymore!" - Joel
Smart Ask! National Champion (2003) www.rpgdl.com

And for that matter, Frog isn't Halo either. I remember those last few updates in that match. It was pathetic. StarCraft was getting around 300-400 per update, while Halo was managing 150-ish.

Halo really rolled over and died once StarCraft made its run.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

Man I wish Frog had pulled away. I have to go to bed. Damn Ceej and his Pacific time!!! Everything was so perfect when the polls started/ended at 1 AM Eastern. Curse you, Veasey!

I'll probably be too nervous to actually sleep.

creative, I'm not seeing any links on your site that lead to update charts. Am I just blind?

People gave the links, but I'll explain why I don't put the links up. I only post them on the boards because the script updates every time someone accesses the page, and I don't want too many updates. I was planning on changing the script so it only updated every so often, but I just never got the chance, and I probably won't. Oh well--at least this way we see very detailed info on the ebbs and flows of the matches, even if it is cumbersome to look at.
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Data for all matches - http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php
SC2K4.com/Frog

I wouldn't call Frog weak at all. I think that we all horribly, horribly underestimated Liquid Snake when the brackets were released. But I just got done playing MGS2. I don't know about you guys, but I get a special feeling when I hear Liquid's voice in that game. It's almost like a Metal Gear Solid title is officially complete with him in it. It wouldn't have been the same otherwise. I had a bad feeling that Liquid would make a good run at this thing, but I didn't think it would be this close.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

So you won't link the two together? I can't imagine the update site being any more difficult to look at if it were linked from sc2k4.com, to be honest.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Weird that this is the 13th match on Fri. the 13th
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Summer 2004 Contest 12/12 Frog vs. Liquid Snake

When I left around 8:20, Liquid had a 10 vote lead. Yet I was confident I would come home (buzzed and less rich, of course) and find Frog will a good 200+ vote lead. Well, I will have to deal with the 120 I saw when I last checked a couple minutes ago, but again, for me this match was never in doubt that Frog would pull it out. Not as clearcut as Tidus/Shadow, I assure you, but I mean Liquid never had more than a 25 or so vote lead, when Frog had over 450. How can you possibly think in the end Liquid would be able to maintain such a miniscule lead???

I also think Liquid will be in a decent number of brackets, probably around 35-40% if I had to guess a number. Though I think the perfects will have guess this match at well over 75%.
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...and it begins! Next tough match: VYSE vs. Laharl

No, it's just that you state everything as a fact instead of opinion.

*hypocrisy alarm goes off*
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

*hypocrisy alarm goes off*

Too true. And what a conveinence to know only he his capable of bashing me and no one else.
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Match #12 Review:

Meh.

Match #14 Preview:

Knuckles.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Isn't Master Chief-Crash Bandicoot match 14?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

Haha, yeah.

Ah. My mistake. Well, MC will win, anyway.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

WTF!!!

This match isn't even over and CJayC has already made LS the winner. Look at your bracket.
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Summer 2004 Contest 12/12 Frog vs. Liquid Snake

The bracket is marked red regardless of who you picked. I'm assuming CJayC got a little ahead of himself with that, and it's red because no one has been advanced in the official bracket yet. It doesn't know which character to mark green.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

It's a glitch. Ignore it.
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"Antigravity! It's not just for breakfast anymore!" - Joel
Smart Ask! National Champion (2003) www.rpgdl.com

It's a glitch. It's done that before...
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WTF is OoS? Ocarina of Sex? ~ Stop Fundamentalists

I've said it since this morning, I don't see either of these characters being weak. If I had to choose between Liquid Snake vs. Master Chief and Frog vs. Master Chief I would take the two participants that are up today without a second thought. There's no way these two would be weaker than Mr. Chief.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Oh and Frog did indeed seal this, a good match between a superior Snake and a knightly Frog. =p
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Big Boss is superior to them all.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

No, it's just that you state everything as a fact instead of opinion.

*hypocrisy alarm goes off*

Funny that your first post in this topic is one meant to argue with me. How.... expected.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

100 vote lead 8 min left and LS might be trying to pull a Mario
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Summer 2004 Contest 12/12 Frog vs. Liquid Snake

It looked like it, but Frog seem is able to stay above 100.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

I saw him dip down to 98, but it looks like this will end up between 100-115.
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Current Pick: Frog; Current Vote: Frog; Points: 12/12
Supporter of Frog, Magus, Mega Man, Vivi, and Kefka!

Looks like this one will end under 100. Sitting at 90 now.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

And I was wrong. Final difference was 93 votes.
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Current Pick: Frog; Current Vote: Frog; Points: 12/12
Supporter of Frog, Magus, Mega Man, Vivi, and Kefka!

Well this poll was the second most popular poll so far, after Tidus vs. Shadow =).
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WTF is OoS? Ocarina of Sex? ~ Stop Fundamentalists

And Frog-Liquid Snake goes down as the closest match from start to finish in GameFAQs contest history, and takes its place at 3rd overall in final margin of victory.

In other news, Master Chief is starting out at 70% on Crash. Very impressive numbers.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

Master Chief is doing better than the 66% he was expected to get last year.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Am I the only one concerned about Frog after seeing this initial surge from Chief?
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Chief....isn't supposed to.....make 70% on people.

Ugh, I just can't predict anything in this Contest.
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Magus vs. Luca - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
M. Chief vs. Crash - Bracket: MC - Vote: MC (12/13)

If by "concerned" you mean "happy his upset may just pay off after all" then yes. Yes I am.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

If Chief gets more than 65% when the match is over, Frog does not have a prayer... and I wave bye-bye to two points.
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...and it begins! Next tough match: VYSE vs. Laharl

"Man, this contest is getting way to predictable!"

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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

*high-fives mastermage*

hopefully that one will come true...
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****

Where's those Square anti-voters

unless Crash has more anti-voters then we thought

anti-votes vs. anti-votes

hmmmmmm
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Summer 2004 Contest 13/13 Master Chief vs. Crash

no you are definitely not the only one ulti... jeez hes blasting off.. maybe its just the bracket voters though.. everyone has mc on this i'm sure
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If you're worried people are talking about you... you're probably right.

If Chief gets more than 65% when the match is over, Frog does not have a prayer... and I wave bye-bye to two points.

Not necessarily. I wouldn't dare say Frog doesn't have a chance despite the outcome of this one, he was expected to get more than 65% last year and he hasn't a reason in the world to slip.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Well, I said it before the contest started: Master Chief over Frog is probably the smartest round 2 upset pick out there.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

That's my point. I expected Frog to be stronger than he showed. So unless Liquid is a whole lot closer to Solid than I envisioned, AND MC puts up numbers better than last year... Frog will be pulling in a Felix-like percentage.
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...and it begins! Next tough match: VYSE vs. Laharl

I still stand by my assumption that both Liquid and Frog are stronger than Chief.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

I've still got confidence in Frog winning, too. I'm just saying it was a great risk to take.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

I can't see Chief getting more popular unless pre-game hype does work
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Summer 2004 Contest 13/13 Master Chief vs. Crash

I just wish Frog would have gone at it with a character we have seen before. All we would need to do is plug in a few numbers after that.

I'm really starting to wonder if hype is starting to matter in these polls. Halo 2 is being hyped more than any game I have ever seen, and the ilovebees mess has only added to it. Or maybe Chief is benefitting from the early bracket vote, who knows.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

I'm not going to worry about if Crash has gone down or Chief has gone up just yet. I'd rather wait until tomorrow.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

I think I'm a bit more confident about Ness beating Jak now...(and to think I was confident in Jak beating Ness for a while)

Bowser > Master Chief, still, I'm sure, so Bowser could get quite close to 75% against Crash Bandicoot, then...you know the rest.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Prediction Percentage of 44.33% for Frog.
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2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

And 2958 perfect brackets remaining. This was a big bracket buster.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

How many perfects did we have going into that one?
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2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

5696 before this
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"I'll give you a knuckle sandwich or worse!"

well, thank you board hype for letting me have frog as this rounds winner...


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That was a huge hit to the brackets. I knew Frog would be the underdog in the brackets, and even predicted 45%. Only 2958 perfect brackets left, and I'm dieing to get on the leaderboard before the next big match. I hope a few fall at Kefka vs. Knuckles.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Score-Brackets-% Right
12---5696-----51.9311798
11---10399----47.2737763
10---8799-----42.357086
9----5033-----38.1680906
8----2129-----37.5293565
7----683------37.1888726
6----230------36.0869565
5----66-------28.7878788
4----17-------35.2941176
3----11-------54.5454545
2----27-------29.6296296
1----72-------25.0000000
0----59-------18.6440678

The 0's did exceptionaly well today. They almost did twice as well as the average prediction %.

19 people fell off the top 50 today. They are AKUMARYUKEN1586, Zizarda, Gorbachev, staroceanfreakx, plaidsox, Silver Bells, olemissfan2, jrrysein, djthumbs2008, Sunday Driver, Mousefluids, Viper316, Supadawg, pth88, The Cuttster, MetalGearRex2003, Neobushi, Aragorn781, Tidus786 and johnny181.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

I'm still not on the leaderboard yet I finished my bracket on the first day.

Anyways I think MC is doing so well because Crash is falling and probably the new Halo game.

This also throws by theory of LS > MC out the window and this could be anybody's game
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Summer 2004 Contest 13/13 Master Chief vs. Crash

Err....and the 3's, of all people, end up with the highest prediction percentage.
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2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

That's three points down for me with Liquid's defeat, but I can swallow that so long as no one goes around trying to claim that Frog's victory was obvious. T_T

-Dabu

World Cyber Games 2004
Come, if you dare.

Um, that list is a day old. Shouldn't there be 13 points on it?
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Charmander, I'm curious what your theory was in the first place. You said you had proof that Liquid was stronger than Chief but how did you develop that proof???
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

No, we just had match number 13....that showed how people who had the corresponding scorres on day 12 fared.
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2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

Um, that list is a day old. Shouldn't there be 13 points on it?

The list is a break down of the average prediction percentage based on thier score after the previous rounds. Of the people who has 12, 51% got the match right. Of the people who had 11, 47% got the match right, and so on.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

This also throws by theory of LS > MC out the window and this could be anybody's game

Er, this may ruin your theory, but i still think its more than likely that Frog will have no difficulty with the next round.

Seriously what are the odds that both Frog AND Liquid are so far removed from their respective co-characters that they won't be able to handle MC? I've held Liquid as a bigger threat to Frog than MC from the start, and yesterday confirmed that if anything. I simply cant see both of the two being flops.
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2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

Also, just because i know Ulti will enjoy this - one of the top 50 now has Vivi winning the entire tournament.
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2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

but, I don't know, what are the odds that they could both do that damage to Aeris? and then Squall, Bowser. I don't know, I wonder which has better odds, getting two average characters, or two pretty strong ones.


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The main villain from Metal Gear Solid.
A great supporting character from Chrono Trigger.

I can't imagine both of these guys being weak or losing to Master Chief for that matter. Since the last match was close everyone has gone under the assumption that they must be weak, which I don't understand. They have no reason to be weak.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

well, for the record, I never considered them that strong, but it was only yesterday that everyone was bashing snake to no end, but now that fanfavorite frog is just a little bit stronger than snake, they're both strong?

I don't know, but at least I dont have to feel worse about mc over frog today, well, barring any huge percentage takeback by crash.
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Quite frankly, neither side has any need to worry right now. It's impossible to tell just how the next match will play out.

As of right now Master Chief is also doing 4.44% better than he was expected to do last year.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Sheesh, Master Chief fell nearly .12% rather quickly.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

A great supporting character from Chrono Trigger.

Don't tourn our forum into a house of lies.
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Because how could I not do this foribidden thing, when it feels so good!

I'll be sure not too. I was helping out the board by stating such factual information. =p
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Yay Frog! Uh oh, MC looking good! OMG!!!!!!!
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros
SC2K4 Score: 14/14 Next Pick: Knuckles

*cries at how badly Crash is doing*

Crash, I love you, I knew you had little chance but some and picked you on a gamble, but 30% to Chief?

What did I say? That Liquid would actually be the favorite? Well, turns out I'm right... LOL at most 3's getting it right though. These are probably zero brackets that don't know what they're doing.

I am astounded... Frog may be the KH of this contest. Gigantic favorite with the BOP, actual underdog in the match, and once considered a lock for the Sweet 16, it'll have to fight for its life in round 2.

Speaking of which, I am amazed at Master Chief's performance... unless it's just Crash's total inability to nab the X-Box anti-vote.

Frog/Master Chief could be THE match of the second round.

Off the top of my head, I can only think of Spyro/Morrigan, Gordon/Tina, Wario/Shadow, Pac-Man/Kefka and of course, Halo/Starcraft as bigger "upsets" than yesterday.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 013/013 - Matches: 13/13 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: Master Chief - Tomorrow: Knuckles

Prediction Percentage of 44.33% for Frog

Wow, I knew it would be under 50%, but under 45%?!

BRACKET BUSTER'D

See, ladies and gentlemen? It's all board hype, once more!! It better take Frog all the way to the Sweet 16, or I'll open a can of whoopass on all y'all..just kidding..>_>

And [....] the boards again, you made me screw over my spread betting!!!!1!! How could you do this to me?!?!?!?!??!?

Well n/m, at least I'm one of the 2958 with a perfect bracket and who was smart enough to say "Square wins" once more.

I guess not a lot of people are as confident as me in what I pick...oh well..
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KOS-MOS got 61.98% on Crash last year and MC is doing about 5% better than that right now. MC vs Frog looks to become one of the closest matches in round 2 now.
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Current SC2k4 Score: 11/12
Next match: Frog vs Liquid Snake

crash is going to come through and win this.... i can feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel it!!!!!
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police toilet stolen, cops have nothing to go on

I expected this pathetic performance from Crash...one of the weakest entrants this year by far. Pretty much anyone would crush him like this, or worse.
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Steve Illumina: The Official Satirical Commentator of GameFAQ's Contests
Pub Trivian Forever...SC2K4: 13/14 (Yay Frog!)

Loved my many...hated by few...respected by all...its...

Steve Illumina Speaks

Right you are, my fans and friends! The witty humor returns for another round of contest madness. Fanboys and diehards alike can come to appreciate the mocking of their beloved characters, their contest, their likes, their dislikes, and the gaming subculture we are all a part of, not to mention sweet Board 8, as the latest fad has come to know it to be called.

And so it begins, with the seventh matchup of the first round in the "What Year is It?" Division...

Kefka vs Knuckles
Steve's Pick: Kefka! (He IS better)
Bracket Pick: Knuckles (Its reality...)
Newbie Pick: Knuckles (Kids..)
Fanboy's Choice: Kefka (Sonic fanboys? LOL)
My Oracle Pick: 64.4 for Knuckles
My Prophet Pick: 30002 for Knuckles
Upset Potential: Its all but guaranteed already!

Comments: The best villain this side of Ultimecia takes on Sonic's right hand rodent man!

Last year...as all who remember me know...I had Kefka beating Crono in my bracket...for I believed in the maniacal evil one. And I could and still cannot stand overrated generic Crono the character who I will never understand why people here worship. Kefka is way cooler than Crono..and he is even more cooler than Knuckles. So then why cant Kefka get the job done? Why cant he bring victory to the true FF fans who know FFVI is the greatest FF of all time and are not overjaded by the story of Cloudy, Sephy, and Aeris.

This year, I will not lose another point to Kefka..and how he is a #7 seed is boggling. Sure I am glad to see him there, and think he is hilarious and had the best lines in Square enemy history. But he is a bonafide failure...and I can not support a known failure.

Some smarty pants will say... "Steve, you picked Shadow and he failed!" To which I reply, "No he did not...he lost by less than 1500 votes and kept it close all day...there is no shame for losing one like that." But Kefka...he will lose by more than 20000. And it is a pity. But the Nintendites/Kiddies/Segans/Casuals are just too much for the poor pictured one to overcome.

Not even endive, escarole, or romaine lettuce can help him now...

Alas, Kefka, thanks for comin to the party, but you just aint welcome here. Try again next year...maybe u will get Crash next year...a platformer you can actually beat. Maybe...sigh :(

Results: In the first actual upset to happen this year, taking 15 matches to happen...a new record I think...Knuckles will knock Kefka down and even wipe the sand off his boots! 65% or more in a beatdown for the embodiment of eccentric evil...

Quotes: Kefka: "Nothing beats the cries of broken brackets screaming in unison" Knuckles: "Vroom! vroom! I'll avenge ya Shadow!"
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Steve Illumina: The Official Satirical Commentator of GameFAQ's Contests
Pub Trivian Forever...SC2K4: 13/14 (Yay Frog!)

SC2K4 FIRST DRAFT - PAGE 15 - (7) KEFKA PALAZZO vs. (10) KNUCKLES THE ECHIDNA

Disclaimer: This preview series may contain mildly offensive stuff, as well as SPOILERS, not only for the characters discussed, but other stuff as well.

Before the millions and millions of savage fanboys, before the hairstyles that could impale a man, before the bishounen prettyboys with overcompensating swords, before the seeds from the garden, before the MALE villains with giant boobs, before the creation of Wankese, before the fusion of J-pop and Charlie's Angels... there was a man. A legend. A myth. Simply named... Kefka.

Kefka is essentially a Magicite experiment gone wrong. He went crazy and developed a hatred for every living thing. Despite this, he starts the game as... a whiny pansy. But Kefka is so awesome, he actually manages to make it a cool trait. "Ahem, there's SAND on my boots!" And his two cronies hurry and wipe it out. Best. Gaming. Scene. Ever. As I was saying, he starts out as a wuss, and ascends his way into godhood via deception and treachery. Many just looooooove to bring up the Sephiroth/Aeris scene, but had FF6 been in full 3D the actions of Kefka, stacking up on top of each other, would've been far more despicable. On top of the list, the poisoning of Doma. You did feel bad for Cyan, right? You wanted to kick Kefka's edible ass right away? Good. Then of course there's his murdering of General Leo in cold blood. Had General Leo been anything more than the "bad guy who was not so bad", he would be remembered the way Aeris is today. Finally, his betrayal of Gestahl himself, which enabled him to destroy the world.

Because that's what he did. He destroyed the world. Of course, Kefka's sadistic nature pushed him to play with his food and see the peons down below suffer, using his Light of Judgment to destroy any loser that would oppose him. So, he gets his ass kicked at the end, but who cares? The villain actually won!

Unfortunately, in a Contest environment even Pac-Man looked like a Locke with Genji Glove + Offering + Atma Weapon + Illumina + 127 Vigor + 9999 HP. In other words... he's worthless. For shame... GameFAQs and their lack of taste. The same people who almost pushed that crybaby Liquid Snake over the ass-kicking Frog yesterday.

And he's up against an opponent he just can't beat, wait a second, one of the thousands of opponents he just can't beat. Sadly enough, Knuckles is one of my favorites as well, and it's going to pain me to vote against him. (Oh well, there's always the match against Snake.) Screw Shadow, for me Knuckles is the true badass of the Sonic series, and always will be. Shame Sega has to turn him into an easily scared kind of guy to make room for that loser Shadow. I could mention his gullibility, but I'll save that for the Snake match.

Quite frankly, I have no idea how this match could go as far as percentages go. If there was indeed Crono/Kefka SFF, Kefka can hope to get close to 40%. But if there isn't, like Luigi/Pac-Man suggests, he might struggle to even get 30%. Ouch. I went for the middle option in the Oracle Challenge, and I have the bad feeling I'm going to pay for it. Again.

NUMBERS OF INTEREST

SC2K3 extrapolated standings
24. Knuckles the Echidna - 25.62%
52. Kefka Palazzo - 15.56%
Projection without SFF: 69.63%
Projection with SFF: 60.92%

Board Odds Project picks (119 brackets)
Knuckles the Echidna - 100
Kefka Palazzo - 19

Board Odds Project point value
28. Knuckles the Echidna - 100
36. Kefka Palazzo - 47

CONTEST TRIVIA

Knuckles is the only character to lose both years to the same character in the same round.
Kefka is the worst Square entrant in any contest, ever.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 013/013 - Matches: 13/13 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: Master Chief - Tomorrow: Knuckles

even Pac-Man looked like a Locke with Genji Glove + Offering + Atma Weapon + Illumina + 127 Vigor + 9999 HP

Wrong. AtmaWeapon is at it's max power when your HP is full, and gets weaker as you lose HP. Tou having 9 or 9999HP matters not.
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Like, having 1000/1000 or 9999/9999 doesn't matter?
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 013/013 - Matches: 13/13 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: Master Chief - Tomorrow: Knuckles

Unfortunately, in a Contest environment even Pac-Man looked like a Locke with Genji Glove + Offering + Atma Weapon + Illumina + 127 Vigor + 9999 HP.

Slow, you have invoked the source of my name...FFVI...my beloved favorite game and a word that means enlightened one in reality, which defines me in many ways :)

Well done, well done indeed. Another fine analysis...Kefka really dont deserve the lack of respect he gets here...
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Steve Illumina: The Official Satirical Commentator of GameFAQ's Contests
Pub Trivian Forever...SC2K4: 13/14 (Yay Frog!)

Like, having 1000/1000 or 9999/9999 doesn't matter?

Yep, because both are 100% of your HP.


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Because how could I not do this foribidden thing, when it feels so good!

Oh, I thought only the current HP mattered, not the current/max ratio.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 013/013 - Matches: 13/13 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: Master Chief - Tomorrow: Knuckles

Common error. I think its bad wording on the game the fault, because they don't make it sound like "Full HP=Max damage, Near Fatal=Crap damage", more like "The more hP, the more damage you can deal.

And the max possible Vigor is 128, while we're at it.
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Because how could I not do this foribidden thing, when it feels so good!

That's three points down for me with Liquid's defeat, but I can swallow that so long as no one goes around trying to claim that Frog's victory was obvious. T_T

-Dabu

I personally don't think that the outcome of any newbie vs. newbie match is 100% predictable.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Ah, okay. But that 128th point is only worth half the others, with the damage formula.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 013/013 - Matches: 13/13 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: Master Chief - Tomorrow: Knuckles

And the max possible Vigor is 128, while we're at it.

Does Vigor actually affect anything in FFVI?
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WTF is OoS? Ocarina of Sex? ~ Stop Fundamentalists

Vigor does a little, but not as much as as level.

You might want to add level 99 in that little equation.
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Match #13 Review:

Great match here. I was a little annoyed at how Liquid always choked every time he was about to overcome Frog, though.

Frogs are not cool. In fact, Frog's character art is downright lame.

Liquid, on the other hand, is cool. And British. And has "Snake" in his name.

In other words, Frog=Kefka (relatively), and Liquid=what Frog was supposed to be. Frog'll have a helluva time with MC next round.

Match #15 Preview:

Knuckles.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Does Vigor actually affect anything in FFVI?

Yes, but not much outside of way-over-endgame levels.

At level 40, giving Edgar (40 Vigor) a Hyper Wrist (1.5x Vigor, IIRC, thus making his Vigor 60) only boosts the damage from his Chainsaw from 3000 to 3500 (Or 4000 to 4500)...

Yes, Vigor sucks.
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Because how could I not do this foribidden thing, when it feels so good!

"
In other words, Frog=Kefka (relatively), and Liquid=what Frog was supposed to be. Frog'll have a helluva time with MC next round."

What makes you think Frog=Kefka? If you ask me, liquid is to solid as shadow is to sonic. Meaning that frog is just as strong as he is supposed to be. More than enough to take out MC.
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Current Contest Score: 12/13
Today's Pick: Master Chief

Frogs are not cool. In fact, Frog's character art is downright lame.

You know you love Frog =P.
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WTF is OoS? Ocarina of Sex? ~ Stop Fundamentalists

This anti-vote vs. anti-vote match is favouring MC. That's why he's doing so well.

Also LS if you take his weakest results he'll finish around Wario and Felix, but that's his weakest results, so I think Frog has a good chance of winning, unless MC did gain from hype from Halo 2
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Summer 2004 Contest 13/13 Master Chief vs. Crash

From: charmander6000 | Posted: 8/14/2004 1:35:00 AM | Message Detail
I'm still not on the leaderboard yet I finished my bracket on the first day.


The leaderboard is organized based on the earliest entries WITHOUT MAKING CHANGES. Meaning that you finishing your bracket on day one means nothing if you made any changes whatsoever since then; the system will see the time of your final change as the day you 'completed' your bracket. Otherwise I'd be on there too.
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"Spira is full of death...only SIN is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly."- Auron

I haven't changed it because I wasn't going to let board hype get in my way this time
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Summer 2004 Contest 13/13 Master Chief vs. Crash

No offense, man, but I find it hard to believe that THAT many people finished before you if you filled yours out on day one without changing anything since. You sure you didn't make even a single change? The smallest thing will do; correcting your name/address/phone number, changing your tiebreaker...you didn't touch it since the day you made it?
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"Spira is full of death...only SIN is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly."- Auron

I took a look at it near the end to make sure I didn't mess up on anything, but I didn't press the update button
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Summer 2004 Contest 13/13 Master Chief vs. Crash

I can vouch.

I have a 2nd bracket that I filled out with Link as the winner(but not for a prize) with a perfect at this point with no changes made and completed on day one.

It's still not up there.
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Probably since many people who do this for the prize probably gets it done quicker
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Summer 2004 Contest 13/13 Master Chief vs. Crash

I am shocked that the bracket percentage on Frog was so low; only 44% thought he'd win?! Yeesh.

This is jumping ahead a ways, but I was wondering about the Sora/HK47 and RYU H./Jill matches. I'm pretty sure that no one in this block except Jill has been in this before, right? How do you all think this bit will go? My bracket has Jill and HK47 winning, followed by HK47 beating Jill.
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"Spira is full of death...only SIN is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly."- Auron

Sora has been here too, but it's Jill > Sora so unless HK-47 is super strong many of us believe that the winner of Ryu H. vs. Jill is worth 3 points
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Summer 2004 Contest 13/13 Master Chief vs. Crash

Steve Illumina, incorrect as usual.

The X-Box is MUCH worse than PS2; a game system is made to play games, not surf the web or display graphical spectacle. Leave that to computers and DVD players! Thus, the most important aspect of a system is the amount of games it boasts. X-Box has few (Morrowind, Fable, Halo, Knights of the Old Republic, Phantasy Star Online), while PlayStation 2 has many (Jade Cocoon 2, Suikoden series, Final Fantasy series, Kingdom Hearts series, Monster Rancher series, Disgaea, La Pucelle Tactics, Phantom Brave, Dragon Warrior series, Star Ocean series, Xenosaga series, Dark Cloud series, Growlanser, and much, much more).

What can people do with a system without good games? Sit idly by as it collects dust.

Playstation 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> X-Box


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Like a textbook, Academic

I was banking on the unknown with HK47. He seems pretty popular, and it seemed like a good risk; Extrapolated rankings can't tell **** with this little block, anyway.
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"Spira is full of death...only SIN is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly."- Auron

Why are people saying Crash is getting ANTI-votes? Once again, you have to be SIGNIFICANT to get anti-votes. Who would bother to ANTI-vote Crash? People vote Chief because they really like him better. Crash... really... sucks... that... bad...
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I picked Sora :x
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Link, Alucard, Magus, Crono, Mario, Knuckles, Kefka, Cloud, Sonic...
And Frog.

Hey, I plan on getting an X-Box.... for games too! As soon as Ninja Gaiden drops in price....
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

There we go, Master Chief is now putting up a more reasonable showing that last night. Instead of doing 4.44% better than what he was suppose to do he's only doing 1.1% better. He's continually slipping too, looks better for Frog.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Sora WILL beat Hayabusa.

Tails WILL beat Joe.

You heard it here first folks. (Man, my bracket is boned if they don't...3 points is a lot...but my bracket is boned anyways, I picked Sephiroth over Cloud.)
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Never forget...Cloud won in Summer 03', and Crono may beat him this year...but remember these words: OWN'D by Mario.

20XX Division: Round 1 - Match 15 – (7)Kefka vs. (10)Knuckles

Moltar’s Analysis

Kefka
Game/Series Known From: Final Fantasy VI
Extrapolated Rank in 2002: N/A
Extrapolated Rank in 2003: 52nd
Seed in 2002: N/A
Seed in 2003: 12
Lost in Round 2 to Crono in 2003
Has received the nickname “Lettuce Kefka” for his match pic last year.

Last year, Kefka was supposed to kill Pac-Man. Too bad he doesn’t take good photos. Kefka wormed past Pac-Man and got destroyed by Crono.

Knuckles
Game/Series Known From: Sonic Series
Extrapolated Rank in 2002: 15th
Extrapolated Rank in 2003: 24th
Seed in 2002: 7
Seed in 2003: 8
Lost to Snake in 2002 and 2003.

Quite an impressive record for the Echinda. Unfortunately he keeps having to get owned by Snake.

I think Ceej messed up the seeds for this match. How did Kefka get a 7-seed after his performance last year? Knuckles on the other hand has had decent showings in both Contests and deserves more than a 10 seed. But whatever, this is an upset most of the board members should see coming. Lettuce pray that Kefka can put on a decent show against Knuckles.

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Knuckles will win.

Moltar’s Prediction is: Kefka 41% - Knuckles 59%



Ulti’s Analysis

I'll never understand why this match has gotten so much hype. Kefka almost lost to Pac Man, Pac Man, last year. And no, match pictures don't matter. People aren't as stupid as you think, and vote for the names under the pictures. This match won't even be a contest.

Ulti’s Bracket/Prediction - Knuckles/Knuckles with 60.22%



Cena’s Analysis

This is a close one. Kefka is amazingly evil, and people love him. But the fact that the only good picture of him is one where he resembles lettuce is going to be his downfall. I mean, he almost lost to Pac-Man for Christ’s sake. There is no way Knux is losing, no matter how popular Kefka is.

Cena’s Vote: Knuckles

Cena’s Prediction: Knucles with 55% (It’ll be close, but Kefka will lose)
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Magus vs. Luca - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
M. Chief vs. Crash - Bracket: MC - Vote: MC (12/13)

How do you all think this bit will go?

Either Hayabusa or Jill will win their first round match and go on to the Sweet 16.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Sora WILL beat Hayabusa.

I don't know how Hayabusa could beat Jill and still lose to Sora.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Why are people saying Crash is getting ANTI-votes? Once again, you have to be SIGNIFICANT to get anti-votes. Who would bother to ANTI-vote Crash? People vote Chief because they really like him better. Crash... really... sucks... that... bad...

Agreed. Stop presuming that Crash is better than Chief just because YOU think Crash is better. That's your entitled opinion, but that's all it is. If Chief gets more votes, then he's better. This "*Put character here* would win on another site" or "*Put character here* would never even be in a contest at another site" is becoming part-whining, part-joke. Who cares?! If you think a character that lost is better than the character it lost to, fine, but don't bash GameFAQs...still can remember those topics made by SF2 fans..lol.

Anyways, I can't wait for Knuckles to kick Kefka's ass. :-) More brackets will die!!

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And Crash continues to fall down the ranks. I think Chief is also slightly stronger than last year, but I blame most of Chief's great performance today on Crash's falling popularity.
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Magus vs. Luca - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
M. Chief vs. Crash - Bracket: MC - Vote: MC (12/13)

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I just want to propose a thought...

How many times have matches between two jobbers been close? I can't think of any, really, but there have been plenty of Jobber vs. Jobber matches. I ask this because, frankly, I feel that it's too unlikely that two complete jobbers would have a match that close. Do you really think with a match like yesterday's that they might be jobbers?

If anyone would be so kind, what is the closest match ever between two characters both ranked below 32?
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Kefka Vs. Pac-Man was fairly close for their jobberness. That's all I can think of at the moment.
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The only reason this is here is because posts without sigs look ugly.

The only one I can think of is Pac-Man vs. Kefka:

Pac-Man 49.05% 45905
Kefka 50.95% 47678
TOTAL VOTES 93583
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Abe vs Kyo
Strider vs Raziel
Lara Croft vs Ryo Hazuki *Shudder*

If you think those are not jobbers, I apologize in advance.
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Cold hearted orb, that rules the night; Remove the colors from my sight; Red is grey, and yellow white; but we decide which is right, and which is an illusion

oh "closest" not "close". My mistake.
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Cold hearted orb, that rules the night; Remove the colors from my sight; Red is grey, and yellow white; but we decide which is right, and which is an illusion

Pikachu vs. PaRappa
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Summer 2004 Contest 13/13 Master Chief vs. Crash

Raziel Vs. Strider was kind of close. But I wouldn't consider any of the other listed matches to be close.

I'd say to be close, the victory has to be under 53% at least.
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The only reason this is here is because posts without sigs look ugly.

After looking back, I'm positive Kefka vs. Pac-Man has been the closest one.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Yup
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Summer 2004 Contest 13/13 Master Chief vs. Crash

He seems pretty popular, and it seemed like a good risk;

HK-47 is pretty popular in the same way that Kefka is. He gets a lot of board hype and not much else. He's not even a required character in his own game on the least popular system on this site. Sora is the main character of a Square RPG that's sold 4 million copies.

I think this match today is the final nail in the coffin for Crash Bandicoot. He just keeps falling, and nobody seems to care about him anymore. He shouldn't come back next year.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

For the most part though, I'd say that's pretty right. There really aren't a lot of jobber vs. jobber matchups that will be very close and certainly not as close as last night. 50.05% and 93 votes, that's just like a Mario vs. Crono match.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

We'll have to see how Jak vs. Ness turns out. Most people don't expect Jak to be much more than a jobber, and we already know Ness is.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

50.05% and 93 votes, that's just like a Mario vs. Crono match

Except with alot less votes and cheating. And no miraculous comeback in the last few minutes either.
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Magus vs. Luca - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
M. Chief vs. Crash - Bracket: MC - Vote: MC (12/13)

I was referring more to the percentage and margin of victory, but yeah.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

I know, I was just playing around. ;)
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Magus vs. Luca - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
M. Chief vs. Crash - Bracket: MC - Vote: MC (12/13)

Master Chief is really giving it to Crash.

The anti-X-Box vote was Frog's best chance... is it not showing up just because it's Crash?
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 013/013 - Matches: 13/13 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: Master Chief - Tomorrow: Knuckles

"Raziel Vs. Strider was kind of close. But I wouldn't consider any of the other listed matches to be close."

Funny, because Strider ranked higher than Scorpion in 2k2 so had he returned in 2k3 at the same strength he'd not have been under 32...

And even if you consider Strider a jobber (though he's a fine midcarder, really) it's still not the closest.

Pac-Man vs. Kefka. Without a match like that I'd have no doubt whatsoever that Frog and Liquid aren't jobbers. That is fairly close of a match. Still not on the same level, but close. But if you had put LS in a match with Pac-Man before the contest started would any of us hesitate to put LS over Pac-Man? I'm pretty sure F/LS are much higher than K/P-M
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

"The anti-X-Box vote was Frog's best chance... "

Uh... no it wasn't. Most people on tihs board assumed that at MC's recorded strength in the XSt that Frog will win. When I picked Frog I did it knowing full well that MC would be able to perform about as suspected. Of course, if we had someone other than Crash against MC we may have match more insipiring. We don't, but it's still not worrisome.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

The anti-X-Box vote was Frog's best chance

Square Voters = anti-Xbox voters
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Summer 2004 Contest 13/13 Master Chief vs. Crash

Solid would be projected to get 63.58% on MC, assuming we saw MC's true strength against Aeris.

So for Frog to beat MC, he and Liquid need to be on the level of Kirby and Knuckles. I personally thought Frog would wind up around Ryu, Zelda and Bowser... could Liquid match Kirby or Knux, you think?
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 013/013 - Matches: 13/13 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: Master Chief - Tomorrow: Knuckles

I think Liquid could beat Kirby, but I'd hesitate to put him over Knuckles. Either way, he's still stronger than Master Chief, if only by a little bit.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

Seriously this result is what it should be...Crash is really not liked by anyone but kiddies anymore, pic voters, and peeps who flat out dont know who Chief is, which believe it or not, there are some of those peeps out there.
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Steve Illumina: The Official Satirical Commentator of GameFAQ's Contests
Pub Trivian Forever...SC2K4: 13/14 (Yay Frog!)

Why would you pic vote for Crash? Master Chief looks awesome, while Crash looks...deranged.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

I actually I voted for Crash and own an X-box and love Halo. I: A. Want to see an upset and B. Crash is great... I loved his games when they first came out. I wouldn't vote him over like Luca or Liquid but still... he's pretty awesome.
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SC2K4 Score 13/13. Today's pick: Master Chief. Voted For: Crash.
Fujin is the greatest character ever conceived by man.

Here's what I think about Crash. Even though he himself doesn't necessarily get a large amount of anti-votes, he acts as a "neutralizer" to those who do.

Basically, the little amount of anti-votes* he gets combined with the fact that nobody really cares about him anymore leads him to "neutralize" the anti-votes that other characters normally receive.


*But still more than a large number of contestants.
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"I'm you. I'm your shadow."--Liquid Snake

andaca:
I've held Liquid as a bigger threat to Frog than MC from the start, and yesterday confirmed that if anything. I simply cant see both of the two being flops.

Early on I also thought Liquid Snake might me more dangerous than Master Chief, but then I started to grow less concerned about Liquid Snake. However this obviously looks very possible again, and well...it better be true! :)


As for Master Chief: the big thing that made it so difficult to imagine Frog losing to Master Chief was Felix getting 47% on him. How could Frog possibly fail to make up that difference??

Well, with this Crash thing, and Master Chief semi-surprisingly overperforming, that's a big blow to the idea of MC anti-votes. It's quite possible Felix really *is* that strong. Fact is, Felix would be expected to get 62% on Isaac, SFF excluded. That's not really all that big of a difference, considering that Felix is supposed to be more popular anyway. It makes NO sense for me that Golden Sun characters would be that popular, but Isaac himself is hardly a total weakling.

And could Felix be stronger than Frog? I would doubt this, but not completely dismiss it like I would have before. Felix does have a great character image and right now it makes sense that his performance against Master Chief was pretty normal. It is possible that Felix > Frog.

That said, I still expect Frog to be stronger than Felix by a significant margin. The problem of course is that we have nothing to base things on.

As Slowflake said, Frog really has turned into Kingdom Hearts:
*Heavy board favorite who wins a nailbiter
*The underdog according to the general brackets
*Previously un-hyped second round match becomes hyped (Halo/Starcraft vs. Kingdom Hearts--KH was expected to win easily, then after KH vs. Soul Calibur the match becomes hyped)

Frog can derail the comparison. IMO he's very capable of doing so. But it's far from apparent who will win Frog vs. Master Chief. And the people who picked Master Chief in their brackets as a good risk should be feeling pretty good right now.

therealmnm:
Why are people saying Crash is getting ANTI-votes? Once again, you have to be SIGNIFICANT to get anti-votes. Who would bother to ANTI-vote Crash? People vote Chief because they really like him better. Crash... really... sucks... that... bad...

People always confuse anti-votes with hate votes/don't give a crap votes. Anti-votes imply overperformance, and have never been proven. Mario vs. Servbot (and supposedly Mario vs. Morrigan, though that is even more shady) and Felix vs. Master Chief are the only things that are supposed to show they exist. But it is more likely than not that Felix is just that strong, and Servbot may be as well (it's impossible to know--but he does have the Mega Man character/cute thing in his favor).

Hate votes/don't give a crap votes are just votes that make a character weaker. Crash is just weak because people don't like him or care about him, straight up. Same with Pikachu. No one overperforms against Pikachu--he's just a weakling.


Slowflake:
The anti-X-Box vote was Frog's best chance... is it not showing up just because it's Crash?

As I said above, I don't believe it exists, outside of people who don't like Master Chief simply not voting for him (but not systematically or in constant proportions, which is what anti-votes imply).


People are wondering whether Master Chief has increased--I think it's possible, but that any such improvement wouldn't be that substantial.

And it's interesting to note that a match that probably won't end up more than 10% (relative) off from extrapolated expectations (3% in gross terms) is one of the matches with the greatest prediction ranges in the Oracle Challenge. Master Chief vs. Crash was all over the place in the Oracle Challenge, probably due to the presumption of MC anti-votes.

The X-Sts suggest Servbot = Protoman. I am extremely reluctant to accept that.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 013/013 - Matches: 13/13 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: Master Chief - Tomorrow: Knuckles

That just seems...so wrong. Mario vs. Servbot should probably be disregarded completely because it's pretty much an oddity due to it being the first match ever.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

At least Soul Calibur had around 10 people predicting to win in the BOP...Liquid Snake had only 2 or 3 predictions to win. Frog is indeed like Kingdom Hearts, but more to an extreme...his match was even closer, and even fewer brackets called it correct. :P

Master Chief is not only living up to extrapolated calculations, but he's exceeding it. Actually, he's performing as if Crash's 2002 extrapolated value was more accurate

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Mario vs. Servbot (and supposedly Mario vs. Morrigan, though that is even more shady) and Felix vs. Master Chief are the only things that are supposed to show [anti-votes] exist.

*cough* Lara Croft vs. Ryo Hazuki *cough* Try and disprove THAT one...

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Just got an idea. You know how Shadow took only one game to become impossibly close to Sonic, right? Well, do you think it's because of the huge number of apparent similarities between the two?

If this is, maybe Liquid is getting help from that as well and is closer to Snake than we can realize.

Just an idea, nothing to actually consider seriously unless Frog brutalizes MC next round.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 013/013 - Matches: 13/13 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: Master Chief - Tomorrow: Knuckles

I'm really starting to wish I had gone with my gut and picked Master Chief...he's ripping Crash a new one.
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This year is Sephiroth's year! Contest Score: 13/13, Next Winner: Master Chief

I think what we're seeing is Crash sliding into platforming obscurity. How does Felix enter the equation? Who knows...

While we're talking about Kefka, I personally don't think he's all that and a bag of chips. I mean, sure, he's crazy and malicious, but more than that he's just really annoying.

Then again, I don't like Geno either and I think Tidus displays a wider range of emotions than the entire cast of most other Final Fantasies. So I suppose my opinions don't matter much.
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This space reserved for the Summer Guru Contest winner!

Er, I wish I had picked MC to beat Frog, I mean...the winner of this match was a no-brainer.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
This year is Sephiroth's year! Contest Score: 13/13, Next Winner: Master Chief

So, Is MC receiving a boost from all the Halo 2 hype, or has Crash just sunk to a new level of suckiness?
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

I'd wager most of the Halo 2 hype is from those who would've voted MC regardless.

MC may be this year's Dante... overachieving in the first round against a complete jobber, the X-Sts give him winning by a hair in the second round, then just collapses against real competition.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 013/013 - Matches: 13/13 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: Master Chief - Tomorrow: Knuckles

I highly doubt that Felix is that much more popular than Isaac.

GS1 has been around longer, it sold more copies, and it was placed higher in that Top 100 FAQS of All Time list if I recall correctly.

The things that Felix has going for him are that GS2 was more recent and that he looks cooler, although I don't think by that much.

I think this is enough to give him the edge over Isaac but not by 62%.
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"I'm you. I'm your shadow."--Liquid Snake

Well, maybe MC is overperforming, or maybe Crash really does suck that much...I still wish MC could beat that goddamn Frog, though.
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This year is Sephiroth's year! Contest Score: 13/13, Next Winner: Master Chief

Slowflake:
*cough* Lara Croft vs. Ryo Hazuki *cough* Try and disprove THAT one...

I would be more inclined to put that on Zero vs. Protoman SFF than Servbot anti-votes, since we have more evidence for SFF actually existing.

And if you look at the people Servbot ranked ahead of, few of them are really all that glaring, other than Fox McCloud (who is a lot weaker in these contests than I would expect), Max Payne, Donkey Kong, and maybe Gordon Freeman and Aya Brea. I could have, for instance, seen Servbot beating Pikachu, who would've been expected to get 20% on Mario that year himself.


Haste2:
*cough* Lara Croft vs. Ryo Hazuki *cough* Try and disprove THAT one...

Huh? Ryo's a jobber, and he changed no more than Pac-Man apparently did. I don't think there's anything needing explanation there. And I actually haven't heard anyone even mention this as a possible anti-vote match. If you're trying to go the "how did Ryo get 40% on her" route, well, Lara just isn't a strong competitor.


smitelf:
On a side note, this is the most posts ever in a topic created by yours truly. Go me.

You're starting to sound more and more like Ulti and with his constant "I knew I should've picked the Zeldas!" Keep it up, I think every time you complain you increase your odds of winning :)
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Data for all matches - http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php
SC2K4.com/Frog

"On a side note, this is the most posts ever in a topic created by yours truly. Go me."

I think you used the wrong quote there. That was said by me in the Liquid-Frog update topic.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

Hey, hey, creativename, I was only kidding about the whole "beating myself up for picking X, curse you board!" thing...I honestly didn't even use the board for the vast majority of my picks. The only one that comes to mind where I was actually confused enough to trust you guys (^_~) is Jill vs. Hayabusa because I honestly had no idea who he was, having never played a Ninja Gaiden game. Please, don't tell me I sould like Ulti, that's the worst insult imaginable!

(just kidding, Ulti, just kidding...)
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This year is Sephiroth's year! Contest Score: 13/13, Next Winner: Master Chief

I do regret not having picked MC, though, not necessarily because he'll win (I think Liquid was just underestimated and that Frog still has a great chance of making it to Solid), but because I hate Frog so much that it's disgusting to think I'm betting on him.
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This year is Sephiroth's year! Contest Score: 13/13, Next Winner: Master Chief

Er, just looking at the board reaction yesterday...many people who were petioning for Liquid were doing so based on him actually having a personality, and being a badass. While you don't nessecarily have to agree with these opinions, these opinions do exist. Liquid was pulling votes based not only on the MGS games, but also due to people honestly liking his character.

But Master Chief? Has anyone ever even been able to make an attempt at justifying liking him because of his character? He's the star of a popular game, True, but i think that since Frog managed to beat out someone who people actually liked as a character, the fairly bland MC is going to have some problems. While i still by no means think the match is a lock, I would easily consider MC the underdog going into that match, even considering his performance today.
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2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

Leonhart:
I think you used the wrong quote there. That was said by me in the Liquid-Frog update topic.

Oop! Indeed, I meant to quote this:

smitelf:
I'm really starting to wish I had gone with my gut and picked Master Chief...he's ripping Crash a new one.

I'm using my brother's computer at my parents' house, and the copy&paste on this thing sucks big time. It always messes up, I have no idea why.
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Data for all matches - http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php
SC2K4.com/Frog

before the seeds from the garden

Did someone read my FF8 review? <3
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*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Yeah, maybe you're right about Ryo Hazuki, creativename. Guybrush DID do better than we all expected, after all...

Someone mentioned about the possibility of Master Chief being "cult". Of course, that turned out to be wrong. However, what if Pikachu was "cult"? Sure, the vast majority of voters dislike Pikachu, and his ranking in 2003 shows that, but I don't think his popularity changed...it's just that Pikachu fans are more stubborn (in otherwords, the "voting spread" for Pikachu is not normal). I'd say this is mainly because you either like Pikachu or hate Pikachu (but not "hate" as in anti-vote...you could still hate others like PaRappa more). I think PaRappa would struggle to get more than 15% against the 2002 Cloud. The thought of Pikachu nearly beating Crash Bandicoot at any point in time sounds insane, too.

Hey, and a jobber being "cult" would simply be one of many reasons for variable performances. :P

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

HK-47 is pretty popular in the same way that Kefka is. He gets a lot of board hype and not much else. He's not even a required character in his own game on the least popular system on this site. Sora is the main character of a Square RPG that's sold 4 million copies.

You could be right, but frankly neither of us can say for sure how he would do, as he is completely untested in this contest. And not being a required character doesn't mean anything; anybody with half a brain will get every available character they possibly can AT LEAST once, if not always, in any game where there are optional characters.

I myself loved Kingdom Hearts, probably more than KOTOR, but I can tell you for a fact I'd vote HK47 over Sora in a heartbeat, frankly because there was almost no development to Sora; by the end of the game you knew more about Riku's and Ansem's character than you did about Sora's, and that makes for a piss-poor main character if you ask me.
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"Spira is full of death...only SIN is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly."- Auron

anybody with half a brain will get every available character they possibly can AT LEAST once, if not always, in any game where there are optional characters.

Unless, of course, they didn't like the game the first time (Star Ocean II Syndrome).

by the end of the game you knew more about Riku's and Ansem's character than you did about Sora's, and that makes for a piss-poor main character if you ask me.

He's Tidus Jr. What more do you need to know?
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"Antigravity! It's not just for breakfast anymore!" - Joel
Smart Ask! National Champion (2003) www.rpgdl.com

13 matches in and there's 7 spots from this contest are in the Top 10 All Time Records, though 3 of them are for most predicable match
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Summer 2004 Contest 13/13 Master Chief vs. Crash

Unless, of course, they didn't like the game the first time.

Well, yeah, that was the assumption.....

Oh, by the way, what exactly do you guys mean by "jobbers?"
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"Spira is full of death...only SIN is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly."- Auron

I'm very interested to see the Viewtiful Joe vs. Tails match later in the tourney. I honestly can't believe people think that Tails will beat VJ. VJ is the star of a critically acclaimed game on the GCN and soon the PS2. Tails, on the other hand, is the weakest Sega character in this tournament. He has starred in only one extremely obscure Gamegear game.

Also, VJ's picture cannot be anything short of viewtiful. Or perhaps rainbow viewtiful...

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Current Contest Score: 12/13
Today's Pick: Master Chief

fodders, characters that only deserve 15/16 seeds. 14 seed if you're lucky
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Summer 2004 Contest 13/13 Master Chief vs. Crash

Oh, by the way, what exactly do you guys mean by "jobbers?"

It's a wrestling term describing a competitor whose only job is to lose to someone else. A loser, basically.
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Data for all matches - http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php
SC2K4.com/Frog

I myself loved Kingdom Hearts, probably more than KOTOR,

DOES...NOT...COMPUTE...

but I can tell you for a fact I'd vote HK47 over Sora in a heartbeat, frankly because there was almost no development to Sora; by the end of the game you knew more about Riku's and Ansem's character than you did about Sora's, and that makes for a piss-poor main character if you ask me.

And then there's the fact that HK-47 is the BEST GODDAMN CHARACTER EVER, too. Seriously, I'd vote for HK-47 over my own mother, and Sora is just lame, no matter how much I liked Kingdom Hearts itself.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
This year is Sephiroth's year! Contest Score: 13/13, Next Winner: Master Chief

Someone mentioned about the possibility of Master Chief being "cult".

This was me, trying to find a way to explain how Felix was so high. I couldn't accept Felix as high as he was, and Chief doing decently against Aeries. My explanation was that there was a core group of voters who would vote Chief over anyone else in the contest, ala other cult characters such as CATS or Ness. I still believe this, but I forgot to take into account just how much Crash royally sucks when I made my bracket pick. I figured there was no way Felix'd out perform Crash, and chose him as an upset since I figued that Chief'd be a favorite.

And to make it worse, I have Kefka over Kucks as another upset. Yet again another pick I made just to act as an upset. Ryu better win his division if I want to retain my credibility. --

I am amazed at the sheer number of people on this board who still think that Kefka can beat Knuckles despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Apparently, they think that Final Fantasy fanboys blindly vote for their own, regardless of the competition.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

What the crazy lady said.......
........kidding, smitelf.......

Anyway, sorry I don't like KOTOR as much as KH, but.....well, I am the biggest sucker for Disney, so KH had immense appeal to me.

That being said, though, you're right, HK47 is cool, and if people were smart HK47 will beat Sora handily....of course, "Smart people" and "GameFAQS" rarely belong in the same sentence.......
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"Spira is full of death...only SIN is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly."- Auron

and leonheart, a lot of them do. Seriously. not that I'm one, but I would vote Kefka over Knuckles too. I never found much interest in Knuckles myself. and they are definitely the largest fan group on the site; they aren't to be underestimated.

I know my picking Kefka will most likely lose me a point, but I still think no one's giving him the credit he deserves, he got enough nominations to get into this contest, didn't he? Obviously a lot of the board users do, in fact, like him. Then throw in all the non-board FF fanboys...and you have a competitor.

But oh well...like I said, he'll probably still lose...just not as badly as everyone claims.
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"Spira is full of death...only SIN is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly."- Auron

What credit does Kefka deserve? He barely beat Pac-Man, who got doubled by Luigi, a mid-tier character at best. He did worse against Crono than Conker did. Even if Kefka did get SFF on DK-like levels, he's still pathetic. If all Final Fantasy characters are created equal and the fanboys do vote blindly, why do they all perform so differently?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

Kefka can't win against Knuckles. Can you see Knuckles losing to Pac-man? Or even being relatively close to Pac-man?
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Current Contest Score: 12/13
Today's Pick: Master Chief

Now that I think about it, if you're expecting Kefka to win, you're pretty much banking on the wild assumption that Luigi is stronger than Solid Snake.

If Kefka > Pac-Man = Knuckles, then Snake shouldn't even be able to double Pac-Man, too. That's just crazy.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

I have no idea why you brought Luigi and Solid Snake into this, but I can assure you I think nothing of the sort. I picked Kefka before I found out how bad he's performed in the past contests. Luigi and S. Snake have nothing to do with it. I'm just giving my reasons why I think it'll be closer than people seem to think. I said it SEVERAL times, I don't expect Kefka to win anymore, I know I'll probably lose that point.

Seriously, where the hell did you get the idea that I think Luigi is stronger than S. Snake? Not everyone takes the Extrapolated results that seriously...frankly I don't have much faith in them at all; there's only been 2 contests' worth of data to base them off of, and as a math minor that's nowhere near enough data for me to base decisions like this off of; there are too many unknowns that can't be accounted for, most obviously new characters making it in, plus that fact that it assumes too much about the people doing the voting. Sooner or later I know there will come a match that completely defies the extrapolated results' prediction, you watch.
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"Spira is full of death...only SIN is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly."- Auron

Because we already know what Solid Snake can do to Knuckles, and if he's only equal to Pac-Man, then Snake should only be able to manage 65% or so on him. Luigi put up nearly 3% better.

You can say that the extrapolateds don't work all you want, but until there's some extremely radical and inexplicable difference, you can't deny that they're pretty accurate. For the record, Tidus over Shadow went against the rankings, but everyone knows when matches are that close, you can't base your pick solely on the rankings, but the disparity between Knuckles and Kefka is just too large to ignore.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

I didn't say they don't work, I said I don't put much faith in them, and I won't until they've proven themselves in more than just two contests.
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"Spira is full of death...only SIN is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly."- Auron

you're pretty much banking on the wild assumption that Luigi is stronger than Solid Snake.


This reminds me of 2K3 for some reason.
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Because how could I not do this foribidden thing, when it feels so good!

you're pretty much banking on the wild assumption that Luigi is stronger than Solid Snake.

He should be.
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Data for all matches - http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php
SC2K4.com/Frog

Luigi has no business being in the same sentence as Solid Snake. He doesn't deserve to be in the same contest as Solid Snake. Luigi is the cowardly bastard child of the Nintendo series whose sole purpose is to make Player 2 feel like his life has a purpose while Player 1 is tear-assing through the Mario games. While Luigi was sitting there screaming for his brother every other goddamned second and attempting to sniff out ghosts with his almighty vacuum cleaner, Solid Snake would simply shoot him right in his ****ing face with a tranquilizer, take his dog tags, then shoot him in the testicles a few times with an AKS-74u just for laughs. Some people just need killing, and Luigi is one of them.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Ulti, have you ever played Mario and Luigi? Yes, Luigi's cowardly. But he rocks harder than Yoshi by far. Kill the dino, not the bro.
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"Antigravity! It's not just for breakfast anymore!" - Joel
Smart Ask! National Champion (2003) www.rpgdl.com

Anyway, sorry I don't like KOTOR as much as KH, but.....well, I am the biggest sucker for Disney, so KH had immense appeal to me.

Aw, it’s okay, they’re both in my top ten...and trust me, I spent a disgusting amount on souvenirs when I went to Disneyland…mostly on Maleficent, my favorite Disney character <_<

Luigi has no business being in the same sentence as Solid Snake.

…no comment necessary.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
This year is Sephiroth's year! Contest Score: 13/13, Next Winner: Master Chief

Why is no comment necessary? You actually like Luigi? Ew.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Luigi for me is ranked 4th out of my favorite Mario characters
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Summer 2004 Contest 13/13 Master Chief vs. Crash

I used to like Luigi until they started giving him an image at all. I was just fine with the personality-less 2nd player roll....

Geno would be my favorite Mario character if he counted...
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The only reason this is here is because posts without sigs look ugly.

Yoshi > Bowser > Mario > Luigi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toad

Stupid little Toad...
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Crono vs. Conker - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
M. Chief vs. Crash - Bracket: MC - Vote: MC (12/13)

mines the same except Mario is first
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Summer 2004 Contest 13/13 Master Chief vs. Crash

Why is no comment necessary? You actually like Luigi? Ew.

No, I just find it funny that you said Luigi isn’t worthy of being mentioned in the same sentence as Solid Snake, thus mentioning them together in the same sentence. But, in fact, I don’t give a damn about either, as I’ve never played Metal Gear Solid and I’m the oldest of two children, so I always got to be Mario.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
This year is Sephiroth's year! Contest Score: 13/13, Next Winner: Master Chief

Justice bump.
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.diputs ,thgir ot tfel morf daer ot desoppus er'uoY
Current State of SC2K4 Bracket: In a 7,654 way tie for 2nd. Meh.

I'd wager most of the Halo 2 hype is from those who would've voted MC regardless.

I'm not sure about this though, halo 2 is using the internet to advertise, giving people a much better chance for them to see it. Obviously this doesnt' mean much, but well, I would never have voted for master chief before, but i did today, and will throughout. From the halo 2 hype, I rented halo, its pretty cool, adn the xbox controller is actually pretty nice, sure its big, but its still pretty cool.
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Go vote in today's survivor please!!!
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=15658545

You actually like Luigi? Ew.


You actually hate Luigi? Ew.
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"I'm you. I'm your shadow."--Liquid Snake

I actually like Luigi quite a bit. Moreso than the rest of the Mario cast. I just tend to ignore what Luigi's Mansion did to him.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

After a quick skim... I've got nothin'.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Yeah, as long as you forget Luigi's Mansion ever happened and focus on Mario and Luigi: SuperStar Saga, you should have no problem liking the little green guy.
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Current Pick: Master Chief; Current Vote: Meh; Points: 13/13
Supporter of Frog, Magus, Mega Man, Vivi, and Kefka!

He's still a coward in Superstar Saga, but at least Nintendo made it funny this time. In Luigi's Mansion, it's just plain sad.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

and leonheart, a lot of them do. Seriously.

Then why are Final Fantasy characters all fit in at different strengths, ranging from fodder to champion? They aren't as big as you think.

they are definitely the largest fan group on the site; they aren't to be underestimated.

The problem here is that people are overestimating them greatly. I've seen low predictions for Knuckles when there's no reason for him to sink so low. Come now, Kefka proved he's fodder.

I know my picking Kefka will most likely lose me a point, but I still think no one's giving him the credit he deserves,

What credit does he deserve? Barely beating Pac-Man who is around CATS level? Not exactly someone who should be treated as a threat by any means.

he got enough nominations to get into this contest, didn't he?

So did Ness, but it doesn't change the fact that they are fodder.

But oh well...like I said, he'll probably still lose...just not as badly as everyone claims.

Easily over 60% for Knuckles. Kefka gets a moral victory if he somehow, someway manages to sink Knuckles below that.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Bump again. I never seem to have anything to say, do I?
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.diputs ,thgir ot tfel morf daer ot desoppus er'uoY
Current State of SC2K4 Bracket: In a 7,654 way tie for 2nd. Meh.

Kefka never has the moral victory period. He's the villain. He has a legitimate chance of winning just about 98% chance that he won't.
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SC2K4 Score 13/13. Today's pick: Master Chief. Voted For: Crash.
Fujin is the greatest character ever conceived by man.

Terrible choice of word there. Regardless, if he can get 40%+ of the vote he's already done something he shouldn't so it'd be a victory for him. Not necessarily moral. I have no idea why I threw that in.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

I understand what you mean he is just diabolically evil. The only moral victory he gets is the morals of being more evil.
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SC2K4 Score 13/13. Today's pick: Master Chief. Voted For: Crash.
Fujin is the greatest character ever conceived by man.

"Even if Kefka did get SFF on DK-like levels, he's still pathetic"

Umm... no? If he had that severe of SFF then he'd beat Knux without issue and give Bowser/Ryu/Zelda a run for their money.

"you're pretty much banking on the wild assumption that Luigi is stronger than Solid Snake."

Well, Luigi did have to get soem sort of increase from M&L, so maybe he's in the top 10 now like he always should have been.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

so maybe he's in the top 10 now like he always should have been.

he went up 20 places

Yah right
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Summer 2004 Contest 13/13 Master Chief vs. Crash

...

Really, do you people need me to TELL you when I'm not serious?
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

*Laughs at Luigi being in the top 10*

*Looks at bracket*

*Sees mistake he made of putting Luigi over Yoshi*

DAMN!
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SC2K4 Score 13/13. Today's pick: Master Chief. Voted For: Crash.
Fujin is the greatest character ever conceived by man.

*Sees mistake he made of putting Luigi over Yoshi*

Did I miss something?

Luigi > Yoshi?
Yoshi > Luigi?

HM you do a good job of explaining the stats, why is yoshi gunna beat luigi?
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Score:13/13 Todays Pick: Master Cheif
I'm not talking about innovation to the SERIES- I'm talking about innovation to the GENRE. - Sb27441X

Really, do you people need me to TELL you when I'm not serious?

With all the Luigi hype from last year you people did make it look like Luigi is a Top 10 character

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Summer 2004 Contest 13/13 Master Chief vs. Crash

why is yoshi gunna beat luigi?

Tomorrow will tell. Tomorrow will tell.
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Summer 2004 Contest 13/13 Master Chief vs. Crash

Statistically Yoshi is stronger than Luigi I'd say, plus Ryo and Pac-Man are far from equal but not too far apart in strenghth. Now if you look at this year Luigi did far worse against Pac-Man than Yoshi did against Ryo. Of course the Ryo/Pac-Man difference could make up for that I don't really know about lesser tier characters and am probably wrong.
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SC2K4 Score 13/13. Today's pick: Master Chief. Voted For: Crash.
Fujin is the greatest character ever conceived by man.

While statistically the advantage goes to Yoshi in the match it's not outside of Luigi's ability to win still. And I doubt tomorrow's match will dictate the winner. We just need to wait until they match up.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

54 South 5 Pac-Man 15.78%
58 West 13 Ryo Hazuki 12.62%


Pac would take that in a 60/40 split. Pac is stronger than Ryo.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Well, so far I think we could say the following Round 2 upsets are pretty good bets:

Luigi
Master Chief
Jill Valentine
Magus (um, maybe...)

I think Ryu over Sonic would be stretching it, especially since Shadow verified his strength against Tidus.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Really though, if it was pac man vs Ryo, the favorite would totally be pac man. I know i would pac man.
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Score:13/13 Todays Pick: Master Cheif
I'm not talking about innovation to the SERIES- I'm talking about innovation to the GENRE. - Sb27441X

Don't forget Jill. If she can get by Ryu H., she'll have no trouble with Sora/HK-47.
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Contest status: 12/13 points. Currently anticipating: Ness vs. Jak

"Well, so far I think we could say the following Round 2 upsets are pretty good bets:"

Luigi is an acceptable bet, it's not a huge gamble. And there's also reason to beleive Luigi may have close some of the gap.

Master Chief still isn't a good bet. The match is rediculously undecided next round. All I'm seeing today is that Crash overperformed on KOS-MOS... probably because he may have looked like he raped her.

Jill still has to win round one, if she does round 2 is hers.

Magus is not a good bet. He and Crono shou dbe sepperated by 9%. Assuming no SFF Yoshi/Luigi is closer and we have reason to believe that Luigi could be up. Magus hasn't got much to put him up from last year, and he's tackling the lead of his game. Not a good bet.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Yeah. The winner of Jill/Hayabusa automatically makes it to round 3.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

All I'm seeing today is that Crash overperformed on KOS-MOS.

That's because Crash had the bracket votes on his side (sadly it's true)
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Summer 2004 Contest 13/13 Master Chief vs. Crash

A Luigi/Yoshi match is projected to go to Yoshi with 53.32% That's within Luigi's grasp, particularly if he got a small boost from M&L.

That said, we can look at their matches this year to gain a little more insight.

Pac-Man vs Luigi
Last year: Pac-Man 31.25%
This year: Pac-Man 32.27%

Luigi underperformed by a bit, assuming last years stats for Pac Man were accurate.

Ryo Hazuki vs Yoshi
Last year: Ryo H. 23.32%
This year: Ryo H. 23.6%

Yoshi also underperformed, but so little as to be almost negligible.

Crono vs Conker
Last year: Conker 23.79%
This year: Conker 22.01%

Last year, Yoshi faced Conker. Conker did less than expected against Crono, which might make Yoshi look slightly weaker upon first glance. But, the difference is nearly nothing and is probably the result of Conker falling in popularity a little. This should dispel any possibility of reverse (or normal) SSF in Yoshi/Bowser.

Knuckles vs Kefka
Last year: Kekfa 30.37%
This year: Kefka ??.??%

This match should make things a little clearer. If Kefka was hit by SSF against Crono, that would improve his ranking and Pac Man's ranking. If Pac Man's ranking goes up, the percentage that Luigi achieved on him becomes much more impressive. Perhaps even impressive enough to give him the statistical edge on Yoshi.

Another thing that would imply SSF in Crono/Kefka last year, and help out Luigi, is that Pac Man decreased 4.53% (weighted) between the two contests. Personally, I don't see an icon like Pac Man decreasing all that much, and that leads me to believe Kefka could get in the mid-to-upper 30's tomorrow and make Luigi look good. Of course, the decrease could all be Penny Arcade's fault, too. Who knows.
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Current Pick: Master Chief; Current Vote: Meh; Points: 13/13
Supporter of Frog, Magus, Mega Man, Vivi, and Kefka!

I've stopped worrying about Frog's chances in round two completely. Look at how God-awful today's vote totals are.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

the decrease could all be Penny Arcade's fault, too.

I don't think PA linked to this site this year

Also Pac-Man could've overperformed against Kefka since he was a piece of lettuce on that match
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Summer 2004 Contest 13/13 Master Chief vs. Crash

I've stopped worrying about Frog's chances in round two completely.

Why would you worry to begin with MC is still ranked around the area he used to be. If anything Crash is weaker then from last year though I think last year the brackets favored him anyways
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Summer 2004 Contest 13/13 Master Chief vs. Crash

I'm glad that you can all find reasons to make yourselves feel better 1) about frog not blowing out liquid yesterday, granted some predicted it close, but frog failed to expectations. day before the match it was liquid stinks go frog, now its liquid must be strong to save frogs chances.

and now 2) mc did a lot better than expected, and the reasons are crash must have gone down, he overperformed last year against kosmos, and the vote totals are affecting the match.

Why is it that Master Chief couldn't have improved. what reasons could crash have to have gone even farther down?

ok, not as much point one, but master chief really could have improved, and I don't know why this can't be accepted.
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Go vote in today's survivor please!!!
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=15658545

I really think Crash was accidentally stronger last year. He seems to be doing as well as 2002, as if to say his 2k3 performance was an oddity.

And yeah, even without noticing vote totals, the extreme closeness of Frog/LS should imply that both of them are very likely to be top 32 this year. Only one match has ever had 2 jobbers keep it even relatively close... and that wasn't anywhere near F/LS. I mean, really, that match was being compared to/is comparable to Tidus/Shadow, LttP/CT, MGS/FFT, Mario/Crono, Sonic Samus. If you get compared to greatness like that, I just can't see you being a jobber. Midcarder, maybe. Upper-mid tier more likely.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

The vote total in that match seemed a bit high for a jobber vs. jobber match. It did have the second highest vote total for a match this contest, after Tidus vs. Shadow.

I just couldn't see two weaklings drawing about as many people as Alucard vs. Ganondorf. But maybe I'm wrong about that?
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WTF is OoS? Ocarina of Sex? ~ Stop Fundamentalists

"day before the match it was liquid stinks go frog,"

Hardly anyone talked about it, actually, and some people have been pushing LS for a long time. We just didn't lsiten. Why? Raiden.

"he overperformed last year against kosmos,"

Exactly what did Crash do to warrent an increase? If you can give me somehting plaussible to explain that then why has he retained it yet still appears as if he lsot it?

"Why is it that Master Chief couldn't have improved."

What are the reasons he could have? And don't give me any bs about Xbox hate lowering. That's about as likely as FF love lowering.

"what reasons could crash have to have gone even farther down?"

He didn't go down further, he returned to where he was in 2k2.

"but master chief really could have improved, and I don't know why this can't be accepted."

There's no viable reason for this, so there's no real reason to believe it.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Exactly what did Crash do to warrent an increase? If you can give me somehting plaussible to explain that then why has he retained it yet still appears as if he lsot it?

The only explanation I can come up with, as crazy as this sounds, is anti-votes from his relatively new GBA game with Spyro.
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"Antigravity! It's not just for breakfast anymore!" - Joel
Smart Ask! National Champion (2003) www.rpgdl.com

It doesn't explain why Crash improved from 2k2 to 2k3.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

As an addendum to my Yoshi/Luigi post, Ryo decreased 5.1% weighted between 2k2 and 2k3 (the most out of any character). If Ryo continued his slide (and there have been no new Shenmue games), Yoshi underperformed against him.
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Current Pick: Master Chief; Current Vote: Meh; Points: 13/13
Supporter of Frog, Magus, Mega Man, Vivi, and Kefka!

Exactly what did Crash do to warrent an increase?
Nothing. If Crash did increase, I'd say it was due to the high numbers of voters in that contest. It would make sense that Crash would be slightly more popular to the more casual voters. The numbers are down again this year.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

"Yoshi underperformed against him."

Don't scare any of the more fragile users, please.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

It doesn't explain why Crash improved from 2k2 to 2k3

Bracket Voters.

Almost no one had him winning against Sephiroth, but Crash was actually the favorite against KOS-MOS. Another reason why the x-st aren't that good
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Summer 2004 Contest 13/13 Master Chief vs. Crash

"Yoshi underperformed against him."

Don't scare any of the more fragile users, please.

Heh, I'm doing my best to get people to question their Yoshi picks. Or at least build a decent case for Luigi.
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Current Pick: Master Chief; Current Vote: Meh; Points: 13/13
Supporter of Frog, Magus, Mega Man, Vivi, and Kefka!

Crash Bandicoot
Expected results via extrapolated ratings:
16.03% vs Link in '02
17.46% vs. Link in '03
% increase: 8.93%
weighted increase: 1.43%

And by all means, believe that the casual voter may have favored Crash more. It doesn't make much sense, but go ahead and believe it.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Match XIII: (6) Frog vs. (11) Liquid Snake Review

Frog beat Liquid Snake, 50.05% - 49.95%

Wow was this match close or what. For closest match by percent this ties 3rd along with the two Mario vs. Crono matches and by votes this match also ranked 3rd with 93 votes separating them. I guess I’ll tell you how the match went.

Well the match starts out with Frog taking the lead since he was the board favorite and we usually vote first, though the match was still pretty close. It took Frog almost 2 hours to get to his highest lead during the night vote at 243 votes. Though it took Liquid Snake 2 hours to bring it back to pretty much a tie. The lead kept switching back and fourth and the highest Liquid Snake got for the whole match was just only 27 votes. That period of time was 2 hours 45 minutes long, but then Frog takes the lead over 50 votes, but he loses votes quickly, but he was able to keep Liquid Snake from taking over the lead. At 8 am Pacific Frog finally breaks the 100 barrier and starts to benefit from the Day vote. It only took 1 hour 45 minutes after he broke 100 before Frog had his biggest lead that he would have in the rest of the match, which was 460. Liquid Snake was starting to cut into the lead, but any time he would made a big cut Frog would just counter it. It took Liquid Snake 4 hours before he got the lead under 100, thought it didn’t last too long since Frog started to gain 45 minutes after he went under 100. It took 1 hour 30 minutes for Frog to get his biggest lead in this surge of just over 200, but it only took 1 hour for Liquid Snake to bring this back under 100 again. For the next 1 hour 15 minutes the lead didn’t go any lower then 30 or any higher then 120 so the votes were frozen around that area. But at 6 15 pm Pacific Liquid Snake broke the 30 vote barrier and both characters were tied. Both characters couldn’t even break 30 though and if they did it only lasted for a second. 1 hour 45 minutes after the struggle for the lead Frog took the lead all the way up to 60, but then loses quickly. Though in 20 min. Frog broke the 40 vote barrier and he stayed there. 40 min latter he breaks the 100 vote barrier and took the lead by as much as 177, though after hitting that he shot down to around 110 before coming back up to over 150. With 30 minutes left Frog had the lead of about 150 and it looked like Frog was sure to win, but Liquid Snake started to gain, but he just couldn’t break the 100 vote barrier and with no so much time left it looked like Frog had won. Though Liquid Snake did break the 100 vote barrier with about 2 minutes left on the clock and he finished with a vote difference of 93 votes.

So what happened to this match? Did we overestimate Frog or underestimate Liquid Snake? I think it was a little bit of both, but with only 44% of the brackets predicting this right it looked like Liquid Snake was actually the favorite. Good Luck to Frog in round 2 and hopefully round 3.

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Summer 2004 Contest 13/13 Master Chief vs. Crash

Match XV: (7) Kefka vs. (10) Knuckles Preview

Past Performances:

Kefka: 2002

Did not attend
Ranked: N/A

Kefka: 2003

Defeated Pac-Man, 50.95% - 49.05%
Lost to Crono, 21.08% - 78.92%
Ranked: 52nd

Knuckles: 2002

Defeated Akira, 80.56% - 19.44%
Lost to Solid Snake, 39.29% - 60.71%
Ranked: 15th

Knuckles: 2003

Defeated Yuna, 55.32% - 44.68%
Lost to Solid Snake, 36.87% - 63.13%
Ranked: 24th

Analysis:

Kefka is from Final Fantasy III/VI. In 2003 Kefka was suppose to destroy Pac-Man and even give Crono a run for his money, but like many other characters Kefka too also flopped. Kefka had a tough time beating Pac-Man making it one of the closest matches last year and getting hurt from Crono because of bad SFF making Kefka one of the most flopped characters in 2003. This year he’s back with a higher seed then last year and see how bad SFF hurt Kefka. Will it be enough to beat or give Knuckles a run for his money?

Knuckles is from the Sonic series. Knuckles has been to both of the pervious Summer Contest and have lost to Solid Snake in round 2. Guess who he has to face if he wins his first round match. You guessed it Solid Snake again. I don’t know why we have Solid Snake vs. Knuckles rematch every year, the match isn’t even close. Though Knuckles is a strong character too he was the first character ever to quadruple his opponent and last year even though his match with Yuna was suppose to be 50/50 Knuckles won comfortably with 55% of the votes. If Knuckles was given an easier path to the Sweet 16 he would probably make it there.

Boy, this is the longest time he haven’t had an upset, seed wise. But things like that always change and this will be the first match where there will be a seeding upset. But could Kefka stop this from happening?

Well at the beginning of the tournament Kefka had an outside chance because of the theory of Kefka vs. Crono having SFF, but Luigi vs. Pac-Man had almost proved it wrong, but SFF isn’t totally out of the question, but from the looks of things it isn’t going to help Kefka for a win, so I guess the villain of FFVI is in for a very quick leave.

This match may also give us an idea on Luigi vs. Yoshi would play out because Luigi could’ve gain some popularity from Mario and Luigi so basically the better Kefka does against Knuckles the better it looks for Luigi, but that may also not be true. Some of us know that Knuckles and the Sonic crew are on a decline so this match might actually make Kefka looks better then we thought.

Charmander’s Bracket: Knuckles

Charmander’s Prediction: Knuckles wins, 67.20% - 32.80%

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Summer 2004 Contest 13/13 Master Chief vs. Crash

"Bracket Voters."

I know Char, this is a critical thinking exercise for the others. I'm trying to get them to understand that his increase and subsequent decrease was an oddity and that he is doing as well now as he always should have.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

I could honestly not care less about crash, so I don't know why he would go up or down, but doesn't he have some game for the xbox? the only reason I know that is because I played it for about six seconds.

also for master chief going up, why couldnt' x box hate going down be a reason? After actually playing halo, I see no reason why it should have hate in the first place, and I would like to see some proof of it existing. XBox hate going down can easily make sense. Xbox live seems to be well liked, and the hate just in general seems to have gone down. master chief going up isn't unreasonable either, because like it or not, halo 2 hype is huge. And their marketing campaign can't be exactly hurting master chief. anti x box votes never really seemed too hggh to me either, largely because if you weren't going to vote for master chief in the first place, how is voting against him, if you never were going to vote for him, gonna hurt him?
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Go vote in today's survivor please!!!
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=15658545

We have Lettuce Kefka yet again.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/sum04b15.jpg
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

"why couldnt' x box hate going down be a reason?"

Because casual votes are down, the casuals are those who support xbox here and frankly the boards don't change opinions. There's no reason for xbox hate to be down.

"I see no reason why it should have hate in the first place,"

Hate needs no reason.

"and I would like to see some proof of it existing."

Compare Xbox ownership to 'Cube ownership on this site.

"Xbox live seems to be well liked"

By... Xbox fans.

"and the hate just in general seems to have gone down."

Based on?

"halo 2 hype is huge."

Yes... for existing Halo fans, and no one else.

"anti x box votes never really seemed too hggh to me either"

Then why do you assume MC's performace is due to less xbox hate?

"how is voting against him, if you never were going to vote for him, gonna hurt him?"

It wouldn't. But the fact is, the people that weren't going to vote for him last year probably still aren't going to vote for him this year. You may have opinions, but that's a very minor piece of anecdotal evidence. Provide a solid reason to beleive MC is going up, if you would.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/sum04b16.jpg

And Snake vs. Tanner.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Well my prediction is wrong on my preview I bumped it up a couple percent
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Summer 2004 Contest 13/13 Master Chief vs. Crash

then maybe I'll have to force myself to accept anti-xbox, but what proof of there is this?

another thing is the casual vote. I really don't trust this all that much either. and :
6-18-04
Got Xbox?
Yes, and I play it regularly 26.82% 14805
Yes, but I don't play it much 10.04% 5541
No, but I plan to this year 6.73% 3718
No, they're too expensive 10.42% 5754
No, I just don't want one 45.99% 25387
TOTAL VOTES 55205

well, I don't know if this even helps since the choices are different, but I'll keep going back anyway
2-25-04
Yes, more than one 3.04% 1859
Yes, I have one 32.76% 20009
No, but I plan to soon 6.34% 3874
No, they're too expensive 11.06% 6753
No, I don't want one 46.8% 28581
TOTAL VOTES 61076

Got Xbox? 12-6-03
Yes, more than one 2.72% 1872
Yes, I have one 29.61% 20402
No, but maybe for Christmas 8.46% 5832
No, they're too expensive 11.09% 7644
No, I don't want one 48.11% 33147
TOTAL VOTES 68897

Got Xbox? 9-9-03
Yes, more than one 2.48% 1850
Yes, just one 27.94% 20828
No, I'm waiting for a price drop 11.09% 8264
No, but maybe for Christmas 5.69% 4241
No, I don't want one 52.8% 39365
TOTAL VOTES 74548

those are all after the contest, last year's summer that is

5-16-03
Got Xbox?
Yes, for a while now 25.84% 13479
Yes, just recently 3.28% 1709
Not yet, but soon 5.26% 2744
No, they're still too expensive 11.28% 5883
No, I don't want one 54.34% 28345
TOTAL VOTES 52160


3-6-03
Got Xbox?
Yes, for some time 22.73% 12933
Yes, just recently 5.42% 3083
Not yet, but I will soon 2.07% 1180
No, but I'm thinking about it 11.84% 6734
No, and I don't plan to 57.94% 32962
TOTAL VOTES 56892

12-29-02
Got Xbox?
Yes, just recently 8.67% 5697
Yes, for a while now 19.49% 12811
No, but maybe in 2003 9.44% 6207
No, they're too expensive 6.55% 4307
No, I don't want one 55.86% 36723
TOTAL VOTES 65745

as time went on, the "no, I don't want one" barring the stupid first one right above, went down, and down, and down, from being more than 55% down to 46% So I wouldn't say that xbox hate is as strong as it was before the time of the last summer contest. so I find it believable that mc went up


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Go vote in today's survivor please!!!
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=15658545

looks like there is going to be a lot of mad users about Kefka's pic
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Summer 2004 Contest 13/13 Master Chief vs. Crash

That is a terrible picture of Knuckles.... he looks like a toy. Why aren't they using the cartoon drawings for the Sonic characters? They look far better..... Lettuce Kefka? Bah.... I still wanna see Kefka's sprite for a laugh. Still, this has got to be the worst pic so far of the whole contest.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Honestly, Could Ceej pick a picture that looked less like Kefka if he tried? Honestly, all of the other characters at least get pics that vaguely resemble what they look like in game...
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2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

I'm starting to think that Ceej doesn't like Kefka much...I wonder how a Kefka vs. Crono match would turn out?
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
This year is Sephiroth's year! Contest Score: 14/14, Next Winner: Knuckles

haha, kefka with an early lead, that's great, but how?

I guess the significance depends on how long this lasts
/duh
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Go vote in today's survivor please!!!
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=15658545

Right now, this doesn't make a damn ounce of sense. How in the world does someone go from barely beating Pac-Man to beating Knuckles with a 100+ vote lead?
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Kefka has a 100 vote lead 15 minutes in. If he somehow manages to win this, I will be vindicated for picking Crash over Chief and Alucard over Gannondorf.

Right now, this doesn't make a damn ounce of sense. How in the world does someone go from barely beating Pac-Man to beating Knuckles with a 100+ vote lead?

The first half hour isn't really relevant to the ACTUAL votes of the day.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

I'm in shock. The only thing that I can think of is that either the Sonic series has completely fallen off the map, or that Kefka horribly underperformed last year.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Guys, guys, it's not even twenty minutes into the poll, let's not get excited. I, for one, am extremely skeptical that this lead will hold.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
This year is Sephiroth's year! Contest Score: 14/14, Next Winner: Knuckles

Why don't you guys wait for the daytime to draw conclusions?
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Knuckles isn't getting over 60% of the vote, meaning he'll underperform by more than great margins. Rack one up for the continual fall of Sonic characters and/or Kefka going up from last year. Nice.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

I sure hope Sonic characters have gotten a bit weaker. But that doesn't match up with Shadow.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

There are four possible explanations. 1, Kefka is the heavy board vote favorite, which combined with a lower casual vote makes him stronger, but he won't sustain the lead; 2, he was involved in an incredible amount of SFF and Pac-Man was much stronger last year; 3, Sonic and Co's popularity has dropped like a rock from last year; or 4, Kefka has somehow gained an incredible popularity boost with no new game or appearances to help him.

If it's 3, Ryu(SF) may pull a Starcraft this year...
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Theifenburg Uncertainty Principle - Without any witnesses, who's to say what happened?
Proud warrior of THE LUCA BLIGHT ARMY

I hope all the Sonic characters are on a continual fall, bring on the Street Fighter.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

If it's 3, Ryu(SF) may pull a Starcraft this year...

And that'd kick ass, especially since my bracket needs him to get to Samus and then lose ;>_>.
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WTF is OoS? Ocarina of Sex? ~ Stop Fundamentalists

I have kos-mos beating Ryu.
~_~;
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The One, The Only, TEH FRA
omg hun i love u lolz!! ^^~Brownsound

Kefka's lead has dropped under 100 now. It won't be long.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
This year is Sephiroth's year! Contest Score: 14/14, Next Winner: Knuckles

Why the hell do people have the same upsets as me? You guys aren't ALLOWED to have Ryu over Sonic. That is MY money match. Stay AWAYYYYY!!!!
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

2529 perfects left. How many were there yesterday again?
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

I say it once more.... how can people talk about the fall of the Sonic series and at the same time hop on the Shadow bandwagon???? Especially since Shadow is the ONLY Sonic character that had a match this summer so far before today....

As for this match, I'm on the East Coast so I don't usually not up for the start of the matches. The only reason I'm up is because I've been spending the past 2 hours valiantly fighting the spyware on my comp (thanks to mom and lil bro). This is quite surprising. I wonder where all the Kefka support is coming from?
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

We lost nearly 400 perfect brackets on that match.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Does this mean that Knuckles = Shadow = Sonic?

The only reason I'm up is because I've been spending the past 2 hours valiantly fighting the spyware on my comp (thanks to mom and lil bro).

Welcome to my life six days ago.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
This year is Sephiroth's year! Contest Score: 14/14, Next Winner: Knuckles

I say it once more.... how can people talk about the fall of the Sonic series and at the same time hop on the Shadow bandwagon???? Especially since Shadow is the ONLY Sonic character that had a match this summer so far before today....

Judging from it Shadow dropped, if even by a little, from 2003. With that said, there was always talk on the board of him being one of the few who could see an increase for whatever reason.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Score-Brackets-% Right
13---2958-----85.4969574
12---7654-----82.6365299
11---9210-----77.7307275
10---6993-----74.031174
9----3911-----69.368448
8----1584-----66.2878788
7----512------63.8671875
6----166------61.4457831
5----53-------67.9245283
4----17-------64.7058824
3----13-------0.0000000
2----37-------8.1081081
1----65-------9.2307692
0----48-------4.1666667

11 people fell off the top 50. tomroc8, SpicyBuff15, kiraboshi, mooo, Kari, The Samurai, Vyteman I, Seriphos, barysnikov, Juan Dixon and GrandiA Extremists17.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

Yeah, I was talking about hype wise and the talk around the board, not the actual stats. The Sonic series HAS fallen actually. Sonic Heroes really turned me off from the series and I see no plans for Sega to rectify that. The Sonic Advance games are decent, but kinda limited to the 16-bit era fans due to being on the GBA. I still play SA2 for the fun factor, but that's about it.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

From estimations, who generally gets the Day vote: FF characters or Sonic ones? I'm going to look up Tee-dus/Shadow to see myself.

Sonic.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

That match isn't exactly reliable. Tidus built a lead of 1700 all the way until around 1PM EST, then Shadow spent the rest of the poll slowly trimming it away.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Bump
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Can Knuckles finally take the lead?
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Theifenburg Uncertainty Principle - Without any witnesses, who's to say what happened?
Proud warrior of THE LUCA BLIGHT ARMY

He had 50.06 a few secs ago ^_^
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His grace, Sir YokeI, duke of USL.

I'm finally in the top 50 and I'll stay there until the next hard predicted match, Vyse vs. Laharl.
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Summer 2004 Contest 14/14 Knuckles vs. Kefka

I can safely say that Knuckles is gaining the morning vote now
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Summer 2004 Contest 14/14 Knuckles vs. Kefka

Wow. Knuckles is really taking advantage of the morning vote. He's already up to a +1000 vote lead.
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Current Contest Score: 13/14
Today's Pick: Knuckles

Loved my many...hated by few...respected by all...its...

Steve Illumina Speaks

Right you are, my fans and friends! The witty humor returns for another round of contest madness. Fanboys and diehards alike can come to appreciate the mocking of their beloved characters, their contest, their likes, their dislikes, and the gaming subculture we are all a part of, not to mention sweet Board 8, as the latest fad has come to know it to be called.

And so it begins, with the final matchup of the first round in the "What Year is It?" Division...

Snake vs Tanner
Steve's Pick: Snake
Bracket Pick: Snake
Newbie Pick: Snake
Fanboy's Choice: Snake
My Oracle Pick: 86.6 for Snake
My Prophet Pick: 47711 for Snake
Upset Potential: Wake me up tomorrow...

Comments: Its a stealth superstar vs some guy who drives a car...

(Editors Note: For those who dont know, OnStar is a navigational system installed on all cars made by General Motors the last couple of years which assists lost drivers and drivers with problems such as flat tires, locked keys in the car, etc)

The following is a real conversation of an OnStar subscriber, dated August 16, 2004...

OnStar Help: "Hi this is OnStar, Sarah speaking..."

Snake: "Uhh yah, I just blew up a car, and took out the guy in it."

OnStar: "What do you mean, took out?"

Snake: "Well he was speedin, cuttin me off even, dunno why he was ridin like a bat out of hell, but he was...I had to take him down."

OnStar: "Well I have located your vehicle...Police are on the way...Is anyone injured?"

Snake: (laughing) "Heh yah, the other guy is...he is wasted hehehe"

OnStar: "Sir...what do u mean?"

Snake: "He is dead..come get him off the road! I am out"

OnStar: "Hello...hello???"

Thanks to the reliable service of OnStar, Tanner's corpse was recovered quickly and he was given a proper burial.

OnStar: Always there, always ready.

Results:Huge blowouts are a rarity this year, and Snake aint good enough to get one too big. 85% is big enough though, led by angry Liquid fans. Tanner is dead meat.

Quotes: Snake: "Hisss...I can take out Big Boss...I can surely waste a Tanner!" Tanner: "Ummm...I am lost...I need directions to Vice City...peeps dont know me here in this town!"
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Steve Illumina: The Official Satirical Commentator of GameFAQ's Contests
Pub Trivian Forever...SC2K4: 14/15 (Yay Frog!)

Knux has taken it and he will keep it as we experts felt he would.

Kudos to us!
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Steve Illumina: The Official Satirical Commentator of GameFAQ's Contests
Pub Trivian Forever...SC2K4: 14/15 (Yay Frog!)

This match is looking more & more like Knux/Yuna from last year...he started off slow, but within a few hours gained a 3000 vote lead. Today he starts slow...let's just see where he is by the halfway point.

"Why is it that Master Chief couldn't have improved."

What are the reasons he could have? And don't give me any bs about Xbox hate lowering. That's about as likely as FF love lowering.

RedVsBlue.com.

i said before this contest that Master Cheif will certainly receive a boost because of this site and it's hilarious videos. to summarize what i said before, it worked to Master Cheif's advantage, because it gave several amusing personalities to go with his image and the sight has huge exposure. plus, Red Vs. Blue appeals to both fans of Halo and people who dislike Halo, which can only get more people to like him. if you 've never been to RedVsBlue.com, then go check it out. it's worth your time because it's just that funny.

it's also possible that Crash might of decreased in popularity, but either way, M.C. kicked the living crap out of the Bandicoot and there's no way anyone can refuse to admit that he's a legitimate threat to Frog.

But it's far from apparent who will win Frog vs. Master Chief. And the people who picked Master Chief in their brackets as a good risk should be feeling pretty good right now.

heh, yeah i do. ^_^


Easily over 60% for Knuckles. Kefka gets a moral victory if he somehow, someway manages to sink Knuckles below that.

this could be a huge moral victory for Kefka, Heroic Mario. i am stunned that Kefka actually held the lead for the first 90 minutes. he's always been one of my all-time favorite characters and this is the one first-round match where i would have been more than happy to sacrifice a point in my bracket to see the character i didn't pick pull off the upset. but alas, Knuckles is running very far away with the day vote, quickly building his vote total lead and percentage.

but still, Kefka did waaaay better than i expected him to. looks like he can't be demoted to fodder just yet.

go Kefka!!!

btw - i was gone most of the weekend, but i will update those top ten lists in a few hours.

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

At this rate Knuckles will end the day with 58%.

Not as bad as it looked in the beginning, but still no 66%.
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The only reason this is here is because posts without sigs look ugly.

What in the world is this? Kefka taking the early lead? Yet another worthless Oracle pick.

Luigi has just gone from a serious threat to Yoshi to the actual favorite. Geesh. This 20XX division is just insane so far.

Oh, and WORST. KNUCKLES. PIC. EVAR.

This doesn't make sense whatsoever.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 013/013 - Matches: 13/13 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: Master Chief - Tomorrow: Knuckles

Wasn't Red Vs. Blue out last year?

I highly doubt that Sonic team fell again. They just had a multiplatform game.

And speaking of multiplatform games, when was that multiplatform Crash game released? Could that have caused his increase in 2003.
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"I'm you. I'm your shadow."--Liquid Snake

I should turn this into a segment. "Moltar's First Look at the Match-up"

When I first saw Knuckles leading 45-55, I wasn't shocked. I was glad SOMETHING WAS FINALLY GOING MY WAY IN THIS DIVISION. I honestly couldn't see Knuckles pulling 68% or whatever the stats said he would on Kefka. I was actually pretty surprised though when I found out that Lettuce was actually winning this match at the beginning. I guess Kefka did HORRIBLY underperform last year.

Speaking of Lettuce, I guess Ceej did was crazy enough to give Kefka the Lettuce pic...heh.
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Crono vs. Conker - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Kefka vs. Knuckles - Bracket: Knux - Vote: Knux (13/14)

If the Sonic characters fell, that would mean Tidus did too, which doesn't make any sense.

But it certainly looks like Samus will be all alone in her division, like many here predicted.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 014/014 - Matches: 14/14 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: Knuckles - Tomorrow: Snake

20XX Division: Round 1 - Match 16 (2)Solid Snake vs. (15)Tanner

Moltar’s Analysis

Snake
Game/Series Known From: Metal Gear Series
Extrapolated Rank in 2002: 9th
Extrapolated Rank in 2003: 8th
Seed in 2002: 2
Seed in 2003: 1
Lost in Elite 8 to Crono in 2002 and to Mega Man in the Elite 8 in 2003.

This guy is the definition of cool. Mullet + Bandana + Gun + Stealth Suit = awesomeness.

Tanner
Game/Series Known From: Driver Series
Extrapolated Rank in 2002: N/A
Extrapolated Rank in 2003: N/A
Seed in 2002: N/A
Seed in 2003: N/A

Another newcomer who somehow wormed his way into the Contest.

Do we even need an Analysis for this match? Cause I don’t wanna do one....Fine...

Snake wins.

...That good enough for you? You people...always wanting more and more.

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Snake will win.

Moltar’s Prediction is: Snake 85% - Tanner 15%


Ulti’s Analysis

...wow. Was Driv3r even that good? Either way, it’s almost like CJayC wants Snake to score the biggest blowout in this contest.

Ulti’s Bracket/Prediction - Solid Snake/Snake with 83.99%


Cena’s Analysis

Tanner is actually pretty cool. But Snake is cooler. This match doesn’t even need any analysis. Snake is going to whip Tanner throughout the whole day. This, my friends, will be the height of boredom.

Cena’s Vote: Tanner (What? I pity him)

Cena’s Prediction: Snake with 89% (Still no 90% yet, because Tanner’s game is farely popular as of late)
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Crono vs. Conker - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Kefka vs. Knuckles - Bracket: Knux - Vote: Knux (13/14)

There's no way taht Samus won't take her division.
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Link, Alucard, Magus, Crono, Mario, Knuckles, Kefka, Cloud, Sonic...
And Frog.

Looks like that Crono/Kefka SFF theory holds some water now.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
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SC2K4 FIRST DRAFT - PAGE 16 - (2) SOLID SNAKE vs. (15) TANNER

Disclaimer: This preview series may contain mildly offensive stuff, as well as SPOILERS, not only for the characters discussed, but other stuff as well.

Normally, when I play an action game or something remotely connected, I expect the goal to be to kick ass and take names. Not to sit through hours upon hours of cutscenes like it's friggin' Xenosaga. Not to have a main character with a personality and background to fill an encyclopedia. (I commend Gordon Freeman for the simplicity, although it brings him GFNW, but anyway.)

Solid Snake does NOT fit that mold. Yes, he not only kicks ass and take names, he also takes ass and kicks names. But the neverending elaboration on what Snake is, his origins, his persona, just makes all of it seem so... horribly pointless. As you can tell, I'm not fond of him. Not to the point of anti-voting him in every match, but enough so that I'd vote another character I know but care little for, like Crono, over him. I'd take the contrast offered by a mute RPG hero to that of an action hero who believes he's Socrates or something and delivers speeches accordingly. HHH-promo-sized speeches, of course.

So, turns out putting Liquid so close to him was a set-up cleverly disguised by the charms of Frog. These 93 votes may just have been what barely averted yet another of these endless SFF matches, a showdown between the Twit Snakes.

This round? No problem. Tanner. Gee, what a loser. From Driver. Look at the word "opportunist" in the dictionary, you'll likely find a pic of Tanner. It's the least guarded secret in the contest world that he only got in due to the Driv3r craze that convieniently happened during the nomination period. When predictions were open, Driv3r was already forgotten. And it puts Snake in contention along with Link and Sephiroth for biggest blowout of the tournament. And should Snake manage to outdo them, expect Tanner to end up dead last in the X-Sts.

NUMBERS OF INTEREST

SC2K3 extrapolated standings
8. Solid Snake - 34.74%
DNE. Tanner

Board Odds Project picks (119 brackets)
Solid Snake - 119
Tanner - 0

Board Odds Project point value
7. Solid Snake - 809
52. Tanner - 0

CONTEST TRIVIA

Outside of SFF matches, Snake is the only Noble Nine character to never double an opponent. (Not for long.)

(Note: The BOP sheet will be updated shortly, as well as the Frog/Liquid graphs put up.)
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 014/014 - Matches: 14/14 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: Knuckles - Tomorrow: Snake

Looks like that Crono/Kefka SFF theory holds some water now.

Beyond anything we've ever thought, and that's the problem. However, Knuckles is currently putting more pain on Kefka than he did on Yuna, despite the matches starting out identically.

Either Pac-Man went down like mad since last year, or Luigi went up in a just as spectacular fashion. Neither seems too true to me... I'll wait until the match is over to do the X-Sts calculations. Something's fishy, really.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 014/014 - Matches: 14/14 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: Knuckles - Tomorrow: Snake

Pac-Man went down like mad or Luigi went up like crazy?

Why can't it just be that Kefka is better than before. All scenarios are just as inexplicable if you ask me.
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Or maybe it's that. This makes about as much sense as WDF: it's there, but it can't be explained by anything.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 014/014 - Matches: 14/14 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: Knuckles - Tomorrow: Snake

Well, the only game that could have possibly given Luigi any sort of boost between 2003 and now is Mario & Luigi, and I highly doubt that that game appealed to anyone who wasn't already a Mario fan.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Yeah, and Luigi was treated like a joke too.

"And YOU are the legendary Luigi?"
"Um, Luigi who?"
"I have no idea..."
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 014/014 - Matches: 14/14 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: Knuckles - Tomorrow: Snake

It could mean that Sonic characters took another fall.

Knuckles vs. Solid Snake should tell out how badly they fell, if they did
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Summer 2004 Contest 14/14 Knuckles vs. Kefka

As of now Kefka is doing better, even with SFF tooken into account
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Summer 2004 Contest 14/14 Knuckles vs. Kefka

If Kefka went up he's around Yuna's level

If Knuckles went Down he's around Duke's level

conclusion: a little bit of both
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Summer 2004 Contest 14/14 Knuckles vs. Kefka

Assuming that Kefka is stronger than before and Knuckles is not weaker.

Does this speak anything of Vivi Vs. DK?

If a once terrible performing FF character can do almost well on Knuckles, does this have anything to do with Vivi's possible performance on DK?


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Good point... Frog's showing gave me some confidence in DK, but Kefka's just sending that down the toilet.

Still, I'm glad to see my favorite character doing so well.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 014/014 - Matches: 14/14 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: Knuckles - Tomorrow: Snake

I'm willing to chalk it up to Crono/Kefka SFF last year, say that Luigi murdered Pac Man, and make him the favorite next round.

Of course, I have Luigi over Pac Man in my bracket.

Anyway, if the match were to end at 56/44 in Knux's favor:

1) Kefka would be expected to get 22.55% on Cloud, a 6.99% increase.

2) Kefka, using his new value, would be expected to hit 30.55% on Crono. That's a 9.47% loss due to SFF. Which is a lot, but not exactly DK levels.

4) Pac Man's XS value on Cloud would increase to 22.13%.

5) Pac Man would then be expected to get a whopping 45.29% on Luigi, when he actually got 32.27%. That's a dubious 13.02% overperformance by Luigi.

6) Luigi's XS value skyrockets up 9.86% to 34.29%, landing him between Solid Snake and Magus. Right where everyone thought he would be last year, hehe.

7) Using that value, Luigi would be expected to beat Yoshi with 61.84%.

More in a sec.
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Current Pick: Knuckles; Current Vote: Kefka; Points: 14/14
Supporter of Frog, Magus, Mega Man, Vivi, and Kefka!

Well, this is better. Knuckles won't be able to reach that 69% the extrapolated rankings had him at, but at least the close match it was last night.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

This analysis assumes several things that should bring the numbers down to a more reasonable amount.

1) The match ends at 56/44. I think it'll get worse as the day progresses.

2) Knuckles stayed the same between 2k3 and 2k4. He probably decreased again, and I'll do something with that later.

3) Pac Man stayed the same between his elevated 2k3 level and his new 2k4 level. It's quite possible that he overperformed against Kefka because of the picture or something. Anything that would make this more reasonable.

I'll do this again when the match ends, but I wanted to see how well Luigi would do as it stands now. I think it's safe to say he's the favorite next round, anyway. Hooray for M&L!
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Current Pick: Knuckles; Current Vote: Kefka; Points: 14/14
Supporter of Frog, Magus, Mega Man, Vivi, and Kefka!

Of course, I have Luigi over Pac Man in my bracket.

Should read Luigi over Yoshi.
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Current Pick: Knuckles; Current Vote: Kefka; Points: 14/14
Supporter of Frog, Magus, Mega Man, Vivi, and Kefka!

HOLY CRAP! What a performance by Kefka! This is the first time so far this year that the extrapolateds were totally useless it seems (even if you adjusted for SFF, this is still a couple points outside the standard margin or error). I never expected Kefka to do so well! Great job by the Final Fantasy villain.

Maybe people's awareness of "Lettuce Kefka" just went up :) I seriously thought last year that maybe his own fans just didn't recognize the poor bastard. Or, this could be the first sign of the theory about hardcore votes going up (people keep talking about that theory, but there hasn't been any evidence for it until this). Or, maybe Kefka is just a volatile performer. Or, who the **** knows.

Also, as everybody is saying, this indirectly looks very good for Luigi--though that's through the extrapolateds and relying on them through something they've messed up on is suspect.

I think we may as well just throw up our hands and say we have no idea how Luigi vs. Yoshi will turn out, because the extrapolateds don't seem to be helpful with this whole Luigi/Pac-Man/Kefka thing.
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SC2K4.com/Frog

I'll just reassure myself that

Pac-Man went down.

Kefka went up

My pick of Yoshi is nice and safe. Niiice and saaafe. *Pets Yoshi pick*

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Oh, but if Luigi is indeed the favorite now, that's great! I never did understand why Yoshi was such a huge favorite to begin with, and seeing Luigi get more contest respect warms my heart :) He could still lose the match, but at least people see him as credible.
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SC2K4.com/Frog

A thought just occured to me. This time Kefka is the higher seed. Last time he was the lower seed. Perhaps he has more bracket voters this year?
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Well I'd imagine that's a given.

Last year he had, what, only 30%? I don't remember

It seems like half the board even picked Kefka and they tend to be more knowledgable about these things. I don't know what happened there.

Kefka is Final Fantasy and a higher seed. I wouldn't be surprised if only 40% picked Knuckles to win this one.
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Oh wait, 43% picked him last year.

NM
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A 43% to a 60% bracket change probably woudn't account for this much. But it could be reponsible for a % or two.

And heck, maybe more than 60% picked Kefka. Who knows.
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I do think a good bit of the brackets are going to go by the time this match is over. A Final Fantasy character with a higher seed? It being much closer than usual? I'm not necessarily sure Knuckles would be below 50%, but at the very least it should be close.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

If Luigi beats Yoshi, I will explode. I was one of the most persistent Luigi supporters before the contest began, until I finally caved into board pressure and switched to Yoshi.
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-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

BTW, even though I've always dismissed the importance of pics (at least in matches between two well known characters), I still have a nagging in the back of my head about how Kefka would do if he just got his laughing sprite...

Alanna:
A thought just occured to me. This time Kefka is the higher seed. Last time he was the lower seed. Perhaps he has more bracket voters this year?

But we've never seen any indication of bracket voters existing in significant proportions, let alone in the many thousands.

The n00b Avenger:
Kefka is Final Fantasy and a higher seed. I wouldn't be surprised if only 40% picked Knuckles to win this one.

Nah. I'd be pretty surprised at that. Knuckles is the type of character that the general brackets usually favor, not Kefka.
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SC2K4.com/Frog

Just some food for thought - if a different FF6 character rallied enough noms to make it into the contest, he/she could be Sweet Sixteen material (unless he/she got unlucky and had to face a tough opponent early on). A non-Kefka FF6 character would be a lot stronger than Kefka, methinks, but the problem is that the fanbase is so split, none of them get enough nominations to get in, just like the Mega Man games in the spring contest. How do you guys think that Terra, Locke, Edgar, Celes, Shadow, or the others would do if they were able to just get into the contest? Not looking like vegetable matter would certainly help them.
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Contest status: 13/14 points. Currently anticipating: Ness vs. Jak

If Luigi beats Yoshi, I will explode. I was one of the most persistent Luigi supporters before the contest began, until I finally caved into board pressure and switched to Yoshi.

Yeah, tell me about it :) The exact same thing happened to me. But, I wouldn't really care about it. The board did start to make sense after a while, and it wasn't really a risk I was willing to take. Besides, it's only 2 points. I really hope Luigi wins.
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SC2K4.com/Frog

I'm still confident in Yoshi taking out Luigi in round 2, but it should be more interesting than what I had originally thought.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Knuckles is the type of character that the general brackets usually favor, not Kefka.


I don't think Knuckles is a big favorite over Kefka in brackets.

In the first contest. Knuckles was a higher seed than Akira and blew him out with the first match to get a win with over 80%. Yet, under 70% picked him.

Of course, the 1st contest doesn't really matter.

But in the second contest, only 50% picked Knuckles to beat Yuna despite his higher seed. Why? Probably because Yuna is a Final Fantasy character. People feel confident in FF picks.

43% picked Kefka to beat Pac-Man when Pac-Man was a 5 seed.

I'd say they're about equal.
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"However, Knuckles is currently putting more pain on Kefka than he did on Yuna,"

Not much more. Not much more at all. He's just barely below Yuna right now, and while Knux has time to increase that a lot of what he does will be cut by the night vote.

My prediction: Kefka ends equal to or higher than Ramza.

"Neither seems too true to me... "

Why can't M&L do just a little for Mr. Green?

"and I highly doubt that that game appealed to anyone who wasn't already a Mario fan."

Yes, but if every Mario fan was a Luigi fan Luigi would have been that great upset pick over Samus like was said. Maybe what we've seen is more Mario fans warming up to Luigi and bringing little brother up to big brother's status within the family.

"Yeah, and Luigi was treated like a joke too."

Yes, but it was so damn funny you couldn't help but love him for it.

"It could mean that Sonic characters took another fall."

After a new game? No. Hell... everyone blamed Dante's performance in 2k3 on DMC2 and you know what? Dante actually improved between 2k2 and 2k3. I think any game, no matter how bashed it is, gives a boost.

"Does this speak anything of Vivi Vs. DK?"

Everybody is looking fo rthe answer to Vivi vs. DK. I just don't think it's there. Across the board Square has done a bit better than stats predicted... but what does that imply? We've only seen a handful of Squares, so maybe not much. DK is still Donkey Kong, and I would never put Aya Brea over Vivi. That's all I need to know about that match.
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How do you guys think that Terra, Locke, Edgar, Celes, Shadow, or the others would do if they were able to just get into the contest?

I've always said that Shadow would be Sweet Sixteen material. I'd say he'd do around the level of the other Shadow, actually. Or maybe Dante to Aeris level. I'd probably put him over Knuckles without much thought.

The others wouldn't do nearly as well I think--Terra and Locke would probably do the best, they seem to be the most popular. Celes was always my favorite, and I'd like to see Ultros make it too. But Shadow is probably a lot stronger than the rest, and Kefka is probably stronger than the other heroes too.
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Terra, Celes, and Shadow have the potential to do well. I could see any of those three as being capable of making the sweet sixteen - it would still require very generous placement, and even then it is unlikely, but it isnt unthinkable.
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Sabin should be able to do well if this poll is any indicator.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=847

Pretty old though.
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Man, it's like everywhere I look on this board someone is commenting on how they are losing a point by today's match. I didn't realize that many board members put so much behind Kefka being a Final Fantasy character and thus getting the win. Now if the frontpage bracketmakers can do the same I'll be happy.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

"But we've never seen any indication of bracket voters existing in significant proportions, let alone in the many thousands."

It's easy enough to say the bracket voters made the difference in Tidus/Shadow. By a much, much smaller margin than this, which is too rediculous to be bracket votes, but still it can be enough.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Good numbers, RPGuy.

The Frog/Liquid graphics are finally up at the usual address. Of note is the fact that barring that 453-vote peak near the middle, there was no pattern. No day vote, no night vote, no nothing.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 014/014 - Matches: 14/14 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: Knuckles - Tomorrow: Snake

While that poll does indicate Shadow and Sabin are good picks I think the best is Locke. He's very well liked yet he's also recognizable as teh main character. there isn't one main character, I know, but a lot of people I talk to point out Locke as the lead. I think he and Shadow are the best bets.
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Locke was the one FF6 character I really liked, it'd be great to see him in.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Yeah, I liked Locke a lot too.

"Hey! I know who you two are! You two helped save the world! You're Celes, the ex-general, and you're Locke, the thief!"

"I'M A TREASURE HUNTER!!"

=) One of the game's greatest lines
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Contest status: 13/14 points. Currently anticipating: Ness vs. Jak

Locke's my favorite playable character. Character-wise he kicks 78 kinds of ass, and while he's horrible at the beginning (sure, anyone's gonna suck when you pit them against the likes of the Figaros), it's easy to build him into a god.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 014/014 - Matches: 14/14 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: Knuckles - Tomorrow: Snake

Knuckles went over 56% and is still gaining pretty fast. Looks like he could end near 60% if he keeps up.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

I like Celes but apparently she doesn't have much hope...
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And near 60% is where Kefka would be expected to be if there was SFF vs. Crono.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 014/014 - Matches: 14/14 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: Knuckles - Tomorrow: Snake

In the past half hour Knuckles has taken in 61% of the incoming vote.

At this rate he actually could make it to 60% if he keeps it up.
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Like I said before, Kefka could still cut a little bit of that off in the night vote. I really think Kefka is going to end of the Ramza level now.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Kunckles should easily take the day vote. He'll probably get close to 59% in the late afternoon, but I think he'll end up somewhere around 57.5-58% at the end.
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Contest status: 13/14 points. Currently anticipating: Ness vs. Jak

Instead of being the worst Square character, Kefka may now get to tie Sora for that title.

WTG Kefka.
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I just realized, this is the longest I've been perfect in one of these contests (2002, 2003, SpC2004). Last year I screwed up at Master Chief vs. Felix and then at Wario vs. Shadow.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

"Master Chief vs. Felix"

A sad day indeed.
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How do you guys think that Terra, Locke, Edgar, Celes, Shadow, or the others would do if they were able to just get into the contest?

Shadow and Mog could be considered potential Sweet Sixteen competitors. The sword *****es (i.e. Terra and Celes) would almost be locks for first round wins, the Figaros and Locke could advance given a good seed, and everyone else is fodder.
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I dunno what anyone else thinks, but it seems safe to say we could easily lose 1000 perfects today, and that's assuming that there was no clear favorite. If Knux was (which would be odd) then it'll be less, but if Kefka was due to being a FF character... heh.

Everything should go according to plan until Ness/Jak with only one match being iffy. We could have under 1k by then.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

That'd make my day to see around 1,000 perfect brackets fall. I'm anxious to get up on that leaderboard, heh.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

What I think is that there are a lot of people who don't really care much for filling out brackets. I know for instance, a bunch of people who get March Madness brackets and just put the higher seed for everything and tend to get a half decent score.

We have a lot of perfects compared to previous contests, but we've also had the higher seed win every time. It's possible that a lot of those could simply be people who took the bracket, picked the higher seed for everything, and so they're still perfect.

With the loss of the first higher seeded character, I think we'll see a good change in perfects.
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I put the higher seed winning all... ;_;
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I still don't get why everyone is bashing the extrapolated standings this time.
Kefka suffered SFF against Crono, lowering Pac-Man's rank.
Assuming Pac-Man remains at his 2k2 level [20.30% vs Link] after SFF is taken into consideration, Kefka would be expected to get over 39% against Knuckles.
Factor in Sonic team going down a little, casual vote going down and a little bracket voting and Kefka is overperforming only by a little.
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So... what did you do for 1 seed vs. 1 seed matches later on?
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cool I'm in 42nd now

*Passes food and drinks around*

though it may be short lived depends on who wins in Vyse vs. Laharl
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Summer 2004 Contest 14/14 Knuckles vs. Kefka

RPG takes the win in the 1v1 situations.
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I still don't get why everyone is bashing the extrapolated standings this time.
Kefka suffered SFF against Crono, lowering Pac-Man's rank.
Assuming Pac-Man remains at his 2k2 level [20.30% vs Link] after SFF is taken into consideration, Kefka would be expected to get over 39% against Knuckles.
Factor in Sonic team going down a little, casual vote going down and a little bracket voting and Kefka is overperforming only by a little.

We already knew that before te contest, but what gets me is that Pac-Man performed poorly against Luigi
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Summer 2004 Contest 14/14 Knuckles vs. Kefka

Knuckles is destroying Kefka with the day vote. At this rate, it'll still fall within the margin of error for SFF-adjusted Kefka from last year. However, that still doesn't explain why Pac-Man performed like he was supposed to if there wasn't any SFF.

Saying Sonic team has taken another significant fall is really stretching it because it doesn't look like Shadow fell at all. I can say with confidence that this is more of Kefka overperforming than Knuckles underperforming.
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RPG takes the win in the 1v1 situations.

What about Link/Megaman? You picked Link, I presume?

Well, this says it: Sonic is the undeniable king of the day vote.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 014/014 - Matches: 14/14 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: Knuckles - Tomorrow: Snake

Yes, I picked Link.
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