Stats websites:

Everything you could ever imagine:
http://www.sc2k4.com

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/2003/index.html

Spring 2004 Contest: (not currently updating)
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/index.html

Stats topics:

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note)

2003-2004 Off-Season:
http://membres.lycos.fr/shindohikaru/stats1.htm (See note)
Note: Don't use the links in the topic to browse through the pages, change the page number in the URL.

Spring 2004 Pre-Season:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason3.htm

Spring 2004 Contest:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats3.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats4.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats5.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats6.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats7.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats8.htm

MMXcalibur's Site:
http://prophetchallenge.hyperboards2.com/index.cgi

!yawA tsoP
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

tag.
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...and it begins! First tough match: Shadow v. TIDUS

*builds base here*
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Ganon vs. Alucard - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Tidus vs. Shadow - Bracket: Shadow - Vote: Shadow (9/9)

Right on time!
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

Ulti, you rock.

And i repeat - please god, let it stop at 82.99.
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2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

Looks like Mega Man should get 70,000 and then some.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Great timin'. Go Shadow!
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Heh.. suckers. THat is why I tagged instead of using a <probable> wrong number.
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...and it begins! First tough match: Shadow v. TIDUS

let me try one of these out

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"Blossom, oh fallen seed, and draw upon thy hidden powers!" - Grahf

Anyway, continuing from the last topic...I knew that Sonic team had gone down from 2002 to 2003. I just didn't think Tidus had gone up enough to warrant crediting the boost to Kingdom Hearts.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

Yeah, I agree that KH was basically a nonfactor for Tidus. He was pretty consistent between the two years.
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Current Pick: Tidus; Current Vote: Tidus; Points: 9/9
Supporter of Frog, Magus, Mega Man, Vivi, and Kefka!

okay my last statement was if you think Shadow > Tidus (by more then .04%) then your saying Shadow > Sonic I think Tidus may have this match won
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Summer 2004 Contest 8/8 Mega Man vs. Earthworm Jim

"Er, how about you first?"

I don't need to simply because I made a theory and you attempted to coutner something with a statement that was presented as fact.

Here, let me show you:

"Unless Shadow was nothing more than an over-inflated Sonic proxy, which he very well could have been."

This implies a statement of theory. This does not say "Shadow was over inflated because he was a Sonic proxy" it says he could have been.

"Seriously though, the Sonic vs Mario rivalry is no longer a factor in these matches."

That is a statement of fact. It implies that what is said is true, not that you believe it to be but that it is.

If what you said is indeed a fact, then prove it to be so. I provided a theory of a possibility and clearly indicated that it was such. I don't have to prove it because I crafted the statement to very clearly show that it was a possibility and not that I thought it was the cold hard truth. Your responces made it very clear that you thought it to be fact that the Mario/Sonic rivalry was dead and that you believe with that fact that Shadow being a proxy is impossible. If it is a fact, prove it.

"Seriously, its a nice theory,"

See, you can already see that I presented my idea as a theory, you're halfway there, now just realize that you didn't state your case in the same manner and that you could very well be incorrect and then we can agree to disagree. Otherwise you're just being an ass and acting like you are then end all be all of knowing about the Mario/Sonic rivalry.

"but there isnt anything that backs it up,"

You just want to close your eyes and live in a "Shadow is going to win" little world instead of accepting other possibilities that coudl very well be true.

"common sense suggests that people don't care as much about the rivalry as you want them to care."

Common sense implies that it is very well known fact... so prove it!

"The fact that people perceived this basically as Mario vs. Sonic could have caused Shadow to get more than he normally would."

Shh! Don't say that too loudly near andaca, he could have an anurism.

"And there was no reason to suggest he would have a massive increase from 2002-2003 either."

No, cause Tidus wasn't in Kingdom Hearts or anything.

"not that I am bitter or anything."

Liar

"500?"

Tetsuo, I have mercy on you because I like you... please don't post count again.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Tidus has had this match won from the start. Every time I read a post about how everyone in the Sonic team has gone down, save Shadow, I die a little inside.

The blindness, it burns!
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

tnote, didn't we both own up to being idiots about that weeks ago? Get over it already. My big pet peeve is people helping me when I don't ask for it, but you didn't know that in advance. Whopdeedoo, I yelled at you for it without knowing the circumstances and got over it weeks ago.

God damn, already.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

"I just didn't think Tidus had gone up enough to warrant crediting the boost to Kingdom Hearts."

The data is inconclussive, but it's highly provable that KH was involved to some minor extant. He most likely gained less than his fellows because he was already the most recent on everyone's mind. Perhaps it held off any possible drop off that could occure from his otherwise lack of freshness.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

And Mega Man surpasses 70,000 votes...
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My name is Reggie. I'm about kicking ass; I'm about taking names, and we're making games.

70k now!
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Mega Man over 70,000! =D
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

70k

Mega Man 82.98% 70000
Earthworm Jim 17.02% 14355
TOTAL VOTES 84355

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Summer 2004 Contest 8/8 Mega Man vs. Earthworm Jim

Looks like 83% is out of the question.

70K is still great though.
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Ganon vs. Alucard - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Tidus vs. Shadow - Bracket: Shadow - Vote: Shadow (9/9)

"The fact that people perceived this basically as Mario vs. Sonic could have caused Shadow to get more than he normally would."

I don't so much disagree with that as i disagree with it mattering for more than a handful of votes. I don't think this match will be close enough where it will matter.
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2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

It's official; Mega Man pwns even the strongest of 16-seeds. Watch out, Starcraft...you're next, Mega says.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

I'll start off with something new:

The extrapolated standings for the Spring 2004 Contest is totally inaccurate! Do you think Final Fantasy would beat Metal Gear Solid? No, way! How about Contra nearly beating Sonic 2? Not even close! Doom beating Perfect Dark? Please. If you still aren't convinced, there's the fact that Phantasy Star is miles ahead of PSIV in the standings, even after accounting for Super Metroid vs. LttP SFF!

What CAN we trust, then? Well, I think the different generations of games mean different views on voting (for example, for th NES games, people vote a lot more on name recognition). Since the views will generally be the same by era, I think extrapolated standings within each division are reliable, but not mixed divisions. In fact, I think the Starcraft Factor pales in comparison to some of the other screw-ups.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

So, does the Mega Man vs. Earthworm Jim match show that massive blowouts (the near 90-10 variety) are very hard to get if not nearly impossible since the layout change? Or maybe it just shows that Mega Man was overrated and/or EJ was underrated. What do you guys think, does this match tell us anything?
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6th Place in Spread Betting

I am well over it myself... I just get a kick out of all the starring you did in your multiple-post rant at me. I have never found profanity to be persuasive for debate, as it does nothing but display ignorance, and you have shown yourself to be anything but that.

*On Topic*

Come on Teeeeedus... and let this poll start in 10 minutes as opposed to 40!
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*is tnote827*

Mega Man tends to pwn all, so it's not like it's a surprise.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

We are so close now...so let's put up some honest reasons for both characters, none of that OMG TIDUS/SHADOW IS TEH PWNAGE! crap. Let's have some legit reasons.

These are mine in favor of Tidus.

1. He is an RPG character on a website heavily weighted toward RPGs. Further, he is from a Square RPG, more specifically a Final Fantasy, the RPG series of all RPGs on this site, something bound to give him a huge natural advantage.

2. Tidus is not as hated as a lot of people seem to think, and thus he has been underestimated. He's actually got loads of fans, or at the very least loads of people who don't mind him (this is the category I fall under), who just aren't as vocal as the haters.

3. FF fanboys are (arguably) the largest group on this site, and will generally be pushing for any and all FF Characters. I can't speak for ALL of them, obviously, but the majority WILL be voting Tidus.

Now, since I know next to nothing about Shadow, I can't give a fair set of points in his favor. Could someone else do the honors? Remember, keep it civil, please.
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"Spira is full of death...only SIN is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly."- Auron

Oh, and if you account for the West Division factor in 2002, Tidus increased quite a bit from 2002 to 2003. He was below Ryu in 2002 by a little bit, but now is ahead of Ryu.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

I think Mega Man did do well today. A lot of people on this board like to believe his position for the division is threatened, but I believe he's still on course for that final four upset.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

He's still easily Final Four material to me...but he won't do more than lose respectably to Link after that.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

I think MM will have a helluva time gettin' 47% on Link, however, at least for today, there is not a doubt in my mind he takes this division. He will not lose to Solid Snake, and the only way he will lose before Link (or Crono... dun dun DUN) is in some sort of Bizarro-world SFF to Zero (Protoman... dun dun DUN)... and neither of those, in my opinion, are possible.
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*is tnote827*

"Doom beating Perfect Dark?"

I'd believe that one... that's how it goes in my book.

"So, does the Mega Man vs. Earthworm Jim match show that massive blowouts (the near 90-10 variety) are very hard to get if not nearly impossible since the layout change?"

It's not the layout change, it'sthe way seeding was done this year. They aren't right at all. Super-fodder are replaced by regular fodder (Lara and Duke, for example) 4 and 5 seed worthy chracters are getting 8 and 9 seeds. The whole thing is a mess.

"I just get a kick out of all the starring you did in your multiple-post rant at me."

I got a kick out of it as well. It's not like it was meant to be taken seriously. Really, we all know I'm not ignorant, I just tend to make attempts at having more fun than I probably should entertaining the notion of theories less touched upon (and many times I don't even believe them myself) and toying with others a tad just to keep them in the conversation. And you can't really blame me for that last part, because it's no fun at all talking to yourself.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

I also think that Mega Man did well today, especially compared to other matches in this contest. I don't think that the pecentage he is getting (about 83%) shows that he is weaker than some people believed (some people predicted a 90-10 blowout) but I think it shows more that since the site layout change (along with other factors) blowouts of that magnitude are very difficult if not nearly impossible. Mega Man's division title probably won't be disputed, but this match didn't do anything to provide convincing proof that he can beat Link.
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6th Place in Spread Betting

"but I believe he's still on course for that final four upset."

Upset? MM should be the heavy favorite to win his division, and if he isn't yet then people aren't paying attention.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

but this match didn't do anything to provide convincing proof that he can beat Link.

This match didn't prove anything as far as Mega Man's championship goes. It's best to see how he does against Tidus in round 2, heh.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

I think the lowest level fodder has just gotten stronger, and that they layout change has little to do with it.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Upset? MM should be the heavy favorite to win his division, and if he isn't yet then people aren't paying attention.

Yeah. Take out Link.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Looks liek Tidus gets the strong start in this match.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Tidus out to an early lead...
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Clearly even board hate for Tidus is overrated... and people seemed to dispute the idea of Tidus hate being overrated as a whole!
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

The Board votes are pretty split...
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Ganon vs. Alucard - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Tidus vs. Shadow - Bracket: Shadow - Vote: Shadow (9/9)

So much for Tidus' board hate, much less hate in general.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

It's not the layout change, it'sthe way seeding was done this year. They aren't right at all. Super-fodder are replaced by regular fodder (Lara and Duke, for example) 4 and 5 seed worthy chracters are getting 8 and 9 seeds. The whole thing is a mess.


Hmm, I actually think that you may be on to something. This years lower seeds definitely seem to be stronger than last years. Each of this years lower seeds (save maybe Tanner) should have a decent sized fanbase voting for them. I also agree that seeding is a mess this year.
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6th Place in Spread Betting

"The Board votes are pretty split..."

We expected the whole thing to be very damn close. If you look at the XSt this match as a whole should be closer than it is now ehn it ends.

The part that makes Tidus look so damn good isn't because of his marginal lead (which is to be expected) but because he took it in the first moments of the poll openning when he was supposed to LOSE to Shadow.

Tidus hate = overrated.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Come on, Shadow...

Side-note: I hope Halosniper2003 picked the correct winner of today's match.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Tidus seems to be doing pretty well. :D
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GOD Bless And Keep It Fresh
The Unofficially Self-Appointed Understudy of Crimson Raziel

It would be hilarious to see halosniper get everything perfect except for having Gordon Freeman win it all....he'd be on the leaderboard until Round 3.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Tidus is constantly increasing the lead here. He has 55.26% of the vote and has 96 vote lead. Go Tidus!
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

When I voted right now he was 55.4%
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GOD Bless And Keep It Fresh
The Unofficially Self-Appointed Understudy of Crimson Raziel

Side-note: I hope Halosniper2003 picked the correct winner of today's match.


Ah, yes, the Gordon Freeman-wins-it-all bracket. Want him to stay up till Freeman actually loses, eh, HaRRicH?
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"Spira is full of death...only SIN is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly."- Auron

I am going to bed... but not before making this comment. Through 900 or so votes, Shadow was already down 100... and the board voting nuts have already cast their vote. We supposedly favor Shadow (I have heard in excess of 60%) YET Tidus is up 100 votes. I will not call this match over, but I will say Shadow is in a WORLD of trouble.
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*is tnote827*

Generally haters are much more vocal than fans are. It's no surprise to see that the Tidus hate is very overrated.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

I am not sure where this "steady increase" you guys are talking about is at, since Tidus is now at about 54.44%.
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6th Place in Spread Betting

Talking about the actual lead, not the percentage.
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WTF is OoS? Ocarina of Sex? ~ Stop Fundamentalists

18 consecutive match wins for Ulti and myself if Tidus keeps this up. Let Ness vs. Jak decide this, old man!!!
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My name is Reggie. I'm about kicking ass; I'm about taking names, and we're making games.

Tidus leads by 100 votes.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Who cares which way this board votes. If Tidus can hold this lead through the first few hours, he has got it. If it gets within 53-47, the day vote going to give him a run for his money.

No one is saying the baord favors Tidus, just that the board put too much stock into people hating Tidus.

Hell, I put too much stock into Shadow's ability to keep Tidus under 54%.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

What 2002 match was it that everyone thought everyone hated someone won... and then that someone won but we thought that someone was gonna get beaten down by the other person?

I wish I could be a lil more specific but I only recall there being one prime example.

YAY GENERALITIES!
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GOD Bless And Keep It Fresh
The Unofficially Self-Appointed Understudy of Crimson Raziel

97.47% went with Mega Man last match.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

What's the breakdown for the ppl that got it right in there respective scores from yesterday?
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GOD Bless And Keep It Fresh
The Unofficially Self-Appointed Understudy of Crimson Raziel

Shadow has actually gained a percent in the last 5 minutes.

Score-Brackets-% Right
8----11031----99.1931828
7----12728----98.3972344
6----6898-----97.1730937
5----1892-----93.6046512
4----404------89.1089109
3----91-------81.3186813
2----19-------31.5789474
1----43-------2.3255814
0----115------0

Takashi353 is the only person to fall off the Top 50 today.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

"18 consecutive match wins for Ulti and myself if Tidus keeps this up."

Let's not forget me. My last mistake was the same as Ulti's last. Add to that that we have only one idfference in our brackets... Vivi/DK... and one begins to wonder if the other is going to go all Spock and try to kill Captain Kirk.

"Who cares which way this board votes."

It proves Tidus hate is severly overrated... or in otherwords it makes Tidus' chances look better than anyone could have expected.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Eh, the early numbers can cause wild fluctuations in percentages. Tidus's lead is still increasing.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

Nice job Chichiri! I wonder how many others there are on the board...
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My name is Reggie. I'm about kicking ass; I'm about taking names, and we're making games.

Actually it is holding strong at about 120 for the last few minutes..

Eh, the early numbers can cause wild fluctuations in percentages. Tidus's lead is still increasing.

Yes, but barely and his lead has been fluctuating quite a bit. I have been watching this match/refreshing and keeping track of the lead every 30 seconds to 1 minute for the past about 7 mins. His lead at the beginning of that time was 106 and last time I checked a few seconds ago it was 114...8 whole votes. However, at one time he was ahead by over 130 so there is still plenty of fluctuating.
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6th Place in Spread Betting

Not too many, FFX was highly over rated in its match agaisnt SSBM, so a lot more people will have 12 now instead.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Yeah, Tidus seems to be touching 130 again. Boy, I underestimated that chap's chances to really take the early vote.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Whichever way this thing swings, how many perfect brackets do you think will be lost? It sounds like somewhere between a third of them and half of them will be out if Tidus wins.
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"Spira is full of death...only SIN is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly."- Auron

Tidus needs to hold a lead until mourning. I expect Shadow to maybe take it during the day, but if Tidus keeps it close then he will run away with it tonight.

Is it just me, or are brackets doing much better in the "obvious" matches this year? They all have a 97%+ prediction rate, while last year such matches were as low as 93%.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Yeah. They decided to screw up on Luigi/Pac-Man.
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Because how could I not do this forbidden thing, when it feels so good!

Jeez, Tidus is up to 150 after 20 minutes. Shouldn't this be Shadow's time?
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Current Pick: Tidus; Current Vote: Tidus; Points: 9/9
Supporter of Frog, Magus, Mega Man, Vivi, and Kefka!

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

They may be getting better at guessing the easiest of the easiest, but they still blow it big time on easy ones like Alu/Gan and Luigi/Pac
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Whichever way this thing swings, how many perfect brackets do you think will be lost? It sounds like somewhere between a third of them and half of them will be out if Tidus wins.

Depends on who wins really. If Shadow wins that it will probably be the first match with under 50% picking the winner. I think the same will be true with the perfect brackets, as over half will probably fall if Shadow wins. It is hard to tell if Tidus wins, but probably about 40-45% will go down.
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6th Place in Spread Betting

160... Well, Shadow doesn't even win the board favorite time period. With that in mind I have no doubt about Tidus' ability to control the night. That being said I intend to retire soon.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Jeez, Tidus is up to 150 after 20 minutes. Shouldn't this be Shadow's time?

Not necessarily. I would say that a good portion of the early vote are bracket voters. That being said the majority of bracket voters will probably vote Tidus.
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6th Place in Spread Betting

Now all I can do is pray that the "Sonic characters are strong during the day" doesn't have an affect on this match.

Come on Tidus.

Well Tidus' lead is almost at 200 and if Tidus breaks 1.5k before the morning he may have this won
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Summer 2004 Contest 9/9 Tidus vs. Shadow

I almost hope Shadow keeps, or starts to keep it really close, you guys are so far immersed in yourselves with confidence, its pretty amusing some of the time, but come on...
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Go vote in today's survivor please!!!
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=15596187

Yep, Tidus is expanding his lead as we speak. Things aren't looking good for Shadow...
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My name is Reggie. I'm about kicking ass; I'm about taking names, and we're making games.

You can say that all you want, but we all know that CATS was able to win the first 15 minutes against Cloud without being anywhere near the bracket favorite. This is when board votes mater the most, and obviously the board that hates FF isn't even enough to put Shadow on top for the first 15.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Yep, Tidus is expanding his lead as we speak. Things aren't looking good for Shadow...

For the love of God the match is less than half an hour over.
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6th Place in Spread Betting

"you guys are so far immersed in yourselves with confidence,"

My confidence has yet to fail me.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Up over 200 for Tidus now. He's looking good.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

If Tidus wins this by a good margin of 5 or more percent, does that mean Kefka has anymore of a chance againist Knuckles?

well, the bigger they are...
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Go vote in today's survivor please!!!
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=15596187

Wow... Tidus is now below 54 percent. I want Shadow to have a lead for a while just so this can be as close as people said it was going to be.
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Solidus Snake is a better villain than Liquid Snake... Doc Ock'd!
Fujin is the greatest character ever conceived by man.

"For the love of God the match is less than half an hour over."

And the results so far haven't followed what was to be expected. So of course it makes Tidus look very good.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

The first 30 minutes of a match can tell a lot, actually.

Even though Shadow will likely get the day vote, I don't think he can get enough of a swing to get the lead. Of course, if he's not ahead by nightfall, it's over.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

Tidus is still impressive, even though the match just started... He got to a lead of 116 in the first 15 minutes and has increased it further by about 94 votes...
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WTF is OoS? Ocarina of Sex? ~ Stop Fundamentalists

You can say that all you want, but we all know that CATS was able to win the first 15 minutes against Cloud without being anywhere near the bracket favorite.

First of all that was last year, CATS was unable to win the first 15 minutes against Link. Also, CATS (along with maybe a couple of other characters) have a good fanbase on the board. Everybody knows that CATS will lose (at least anybody with more than 2 brain cells) so they aren't afraid to vote for him. Plus, like I said, he doesn't fit well into my theory because he has an unnaturally large board fanbase in correlation to his overall strength.
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6th Place in Spread Betting

"CATS was unable to win the first 15 minutes against Link."

Yes, and two factors are behind this.

1. Even with his defeat at the hands of Cloud faith in Link seems to have dropped nil.

2. The poll was broken, so we couldn't tell if CATS won that 15 minutes or not.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Here I'll ask the question again:

Does Tidus winning this match by more than 5 percent, give Kefka anymore of a chance againist Knuckles?

I made the unwise decision of picking Kefka and that will probably be my first loss.

2. The poll was broken, so we couldn't tell if CATS won that 15 minutes or not.

The poll was back up before 15 minutes into the match if I remember correctly.
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6th Place in Spread Betting

Tidus by 240

And no, I don't think this match tells us anything about Knux.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Does Tidus winning this match by more than 5 percent, give Kefka anymore of a chance againist Knuckles?

He might score a bit better than expected, but nowhere near enough to win. For me, this just proves that Mario gets anti-voted up the ass.
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My name is Reggie. I'm about kicking ass; I'm about taking names, and we're making games.

nope with Pac-Man's performance against Luigi that match won't be close. If it is then Luigi has it won in Yoshi vs. Luigi
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Summer 2004 Contest 9/9 Tidus vs. Shadow

Tidus is still increasing his lead and hanging around 54%. Shadow should cut off some of that with the day vote, but I still think Tidus can win with over 52%.

Does this mean that Tidus has gone up, Sonic team has taken another big dip, Shadow's performance against Mario was very overinflated, or a combination of the three?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

I figured...

My love for FF6, clouded my vision!!

I gotta ask, since he's leading the leaderboard....what was TRE's pick for this match?
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"Spira is full of death...only SIN is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly."- Auron

"nope with Pac-Man's performance against Luigi that match won't be close. If it is then Luigi has it won in Yoshi vs. Luigi"

Unless M&L raised Luigi, in which case your statements are fully void.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

He picked Tidus I believe.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

And Tidus edges closer to 94%...
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My name is Reggie. I'm about kicking ass; I'm about taking names, and we're making games.

260

I gotta say a lead of 1.5k may put this in the bag, from the looks of it.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

TRE voted for Tidus. I know that much.

It's possible that Shadow overperformed against Mario even if his infamous anti-votes don't exist. It's a hypothetical Mario vs. Sonic matchup, and I'd say that's too good for some Sega fans to pass up.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

Though a big winner does more for Round 2 than a close one.

If Tidus wins big, it means if MegaMan spikes Tidus he might actually have a shot at Link.

2. The poll was broken, so we couldn't tell if CATS won that 15 minutes or not.

Chichiri, creativename's Poll Vote Updater started tracking the Link vs. CATS match at the 0:2:19 mark. Here's the link, if you need it...

http://sc2k4.com/update.php?pollid=1718
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WTF is OoS? Ocarina of Sex? ~ Stop Fundamentalists

it means if MegaMan spikes Tidus he might actually have a shot at Link.

Mega Man needs to score some impressive points against Tidus next round, and I believe he'll be doing just that.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Tidus over 54% now.
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My name is Reggie. I'm about kicking ass; I'm about taking names, and we're making games.

A clean 280 lead. I'm off to bed right here soon. For some good rest, I do hope.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

What's the largest amount tidus could win with that would still be in x-sts range? Like, there didn't really have to be some huge factor, just year to year stuff.
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Heroic Mario, of course he does.

If he doesn't it proves he is only a few percentage points stronger than Gannondorf which means that Final Four match isn't even going to be close.

Right about now is when I should start laughing at all the Shadow fans who so vohemently argued with me over the past few weeks. This match was in question. Never. You people were just too blind to realize that a character you hate so much could do this well against one of your own. Like it or not, Tidus has his fans. They're quiet, but they're there.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

I picked Tidus. So if this match continues on as planned, I'll be "leading" the Top 50 for 8 more days. Unless Laharl pulls through that is.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

I say around 55.

Proves Sonic is dwindling quickly in popularity and that the blue hog has no shot making it past Samus.

"nope with Pac-Man's performance against Luigi that match won't be close. If it is then Luigi has it won in Yoshi vs. Luigi"

Unless M&L raised Luigi, in which case your statements are fully void.

sigh

if Kefka gets 40% or something then that means Pac-Man did gain from SFF in Crono vs. Kefka therefore the blowout that Luigi gave was from M&L
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Summer 2004 Contest 9/9 Tidus vs. Shadow

If he doesn't it proves he is only a few percentage points stronger than Gannondorf which means that Final Four match isn't even going to be close.

According to last year, Link would be expected to get 65.75% against Tidus. Mega Man needs to get around that to be looking great, but Mega Man won't be equal to Ganondorf at all.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Hey Ulti, you seem to be so confident all the time so how about a wager. I will bet my account against yours that you don't finish in the top 2 in the contest this year.
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6th Place in Spread Betting

Ouch. Ulti really knows how to administer the sting. Good thing I'm on the winning side of this one, or I'd feel so, so sad. ;)
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My name is Reggie. I'm about kicking ass; I'm about taking names, and we're making games.

"This match was in question. Never."

*high-fives*
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Heh, I know how Ulti feels. I've been one of the most vehement Tidus defenders on this board. Seeing this result gives me a sort of smug satisfaction.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

HM, true he wont be equal. But Mega Man HAS to get above 60. And even then Link needs not to increase.

Need I remind you, Link has a higher selling game released this year than MegaMan. (At least I Believe so)

Right about now is when I should start laughing at all the Shadow fans who so vohemently argued with me over the past few weeks. This match was in question. Never. You people were just too blind to realize that a character you hate so much could do this well against one of your own. Like it or not, Tidus has his fans. They're quiet, but they're there.

Slow and I have been saying that Tidus would easily win because of Mario's anti-votes and Tidus hate is over rated
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Summer 2004 Contest 9/9 Tidus vs. Shadow

And even then Link needs not to increase.

He doesn't have much of a reason too.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

"I say around 55."

Well, it's be rediculous to say that Tidus = Mario... Close, sure. I'll give him that. But equal? No. So if Tidus gets 55% what's that mean? Shadow HAD to be over-inflated agaisnt Mario. 55% is well outside expected variations.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

I gave you a reason he might in the second-half of the post.

Four Swords? I don't think that'll pump Link up big time. Or noticably, even.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Well thats factoring in the huge amount of anti-Mario votes. If you dont believe those exist than I say around 52.

*Agrees with leonheart4*

I said it before and I'll say it again: Tidus' haters and Shadow's strength have both been overrated and overestimated.
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"Spira is full of death...only SIN is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly."- Auron

300 surpassed.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Four Swords isn't a game that will cut it to increase Link.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

I believe Four Swords has outsold MMAC.

Of course you could say only Zelda fans bought FS, yet you could also say only old-schoolers bought MMAC.

If Tidus maintains this pace until the morning vote hits what will hs lead be?
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Mega Man Anniversary Collection was released on the GameCube and Playstation 2. Four Swords Adventures is a game that even reviewers tell that Zelda fans will be the ones to get the greatest enjoyment of the game. Link's popularity shouldn't be affected at all by FSA, if so very, very slightly. Link's increase should come with Zelda 10.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

320...
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

I know Heroic Mario, but MMAC hasn't exactly torn up in the world in sales.

My point is a good portion of those sales were by previous MegaMan fans. I have a hard time to believe that a game that didn't sell all that well is going to tip the balance so much in MegaMan's favor that he can win this contest.

This is probably a stupid question, but I accidentally put Ryu over Sonic in my bracket. I meant to change it back, but forgot to before I went on vacation. Is there even an outside chance of Ryu taking the match?
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WTF is OoS? Ocarina of Sex? ~ Stop Fundamentalists

My point is a good portion of those sales were by previous MegaMan fans. I have a hard time to believe that a game that didn't sell all that well is going to tip the balance so much in MegaMan's favor that he can win this contest.

It doesn't matter what factor I could give you, you'll have a hard time believing it possible for Mega Man to win. When Cloud, Link, and Sephiroth ran the show last year no one believes those three are leaving their spots anytime soon and/or having someone join them. Mega Man winning is a risk I'm willing to take and one I believe will happen, different factors combined.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

I've always thought Ryu had a shot at winning it. At the least I think he could manage 45%.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

This is probably a stupid question, but I accidentally put Ryu over Sonic in my bracket. I meant to change it back, but forgot to before I went on vacation. Is there even an outside chance of Ryu taking the match?

There's a slight chance, yet. If Sonic dropped as much as last year, then it should be very close.
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My name is Reggie. I'm about kicking ass; I'm about taking names, and we're making games.

I think Ryu could score as high as 45% on Sonic, but he won't win.

Well, unless Shadow's performance is a result of the Sonic team taking another dip. If that's the case, there's a chance.

Just imagine how much worse this makes Wario look if Shadow overperformed against Mario this much.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

I hope so >_<. That is worth 6 points, if you include the next round...
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WTF is OoS? Ocarina of Sex? ~ Stop Fundamentalists

1 hour into the match, Tidus has a 400 vote lead and over 54% of the vote. Looks like our first big match of the contest may turn out to be a dud, after all. However, I did say that if anyone won this match comfortably, it would be Tidus.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

Over a 400 vote lead now. If Tidus can keep this up he'll look great heading into the morning.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

The next 10 days before Jak/Ness should be pretty smooth sailing, but they should be nowhere near as boring as the first 9. If nothing else, we'll get to assess Sonic Team's current standing with the Knuckles match, as well as see Frog in action for the first time.
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My name is Reggie. I'm about kicking ass; I'm about taking names, and we're making games.

Um, we've been calling this match a dud for weeks.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Eh, I was at least expecting Shadow to take the lead in the first 15 minutes or something. Instead, we get nothin'. I expected Tidus to win from the start, but I didn't think Shadow would just roll over and die like this.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

The next thing I have to look forward to is Frog performing weakly against Liquid Snake and Master Chief demolishing Crash. That way my first upset is plausible.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

If Tidus maintains his current 54%, it'll prove to be very bad news for Sonic Team. From barely managing 41% against Sonic in 2002, to performing 13% better against his clone merely two years later.
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My name is Reggie. I'm about kicking ass; I'm about taking names, and we're making games.

Bah, this match disappointed me. A Tidus win with a margin that's somewhat comfortable. I was hoping I was wrong.
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The only reason this is here is because posts without sigs look ugly.

Not counting any chickens, but the voting so far is very encouraging.
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Jon Thomson - today: Tidus, tomorrow: Tommy Vercetti - 8/9
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Said it earlier, this is a match with a bunch of hype and will end up being not even close with 70% of the regs picking right. The same goes for Jak vs. Ness, I will be suprised if Ness is not doubled up by Jak. In fact, I will eat my hat if Ness gets more then 45%.

Shadow's coming back now.

With these two eyesores on the front page, it's like a coin toss, y'know. ;)
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 008/008 - Matches: 08/08 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: Megaman - Tomorrow: Tidus

Shadow isn't coming back as of yet. He keeps losing on the updates as Tidus is steadily increasing his total. As of this moment 900+ lead in votes and rise in percentage.

The day vote usually begins at 9 AM EST. I still fear for Tidus' safety... only Sonic and Knuckles are as strong as Shadow in the day vote.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 009/009 - Matches: 09/09 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: Tidus - Tomorrow: Vercetti

The day vote is officially on, then.

Tidus up 1140.
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*yawn*

I'm not gonna start gloating yet...... Sign me up for the "haven't lost since Starcraft/WW" group though. Let me just say a couple of things about this match.

1. SHADOW =/= SONIC

It pained me to see that people actually started to believe that they were. You see what kind of nonsense the extrapolated rankings can start? Yes, Shadow is cool, but he still is NOT Sonic. And even so, I don't see why the same people who say Sonic = Shadow talk about how much Sonic has fallen off, and yet treat Shadow like he is some kind of god....

2. Shadow's only matches have been against Mario and Wario. I've said that before. What people don't seem to catch is that Shadow and the Sonic series in general can take away from Mario's fanbase FAR EASIER than they can take away from Tidus and FF. Most people that like Mario probably like Sonic as well. I can see people coming to that poll and thinking "Hey, Mario is cool. Shadow is cooler though". Shadow CANNOT take away from the FF fanbase as easily. Besides, have we forgotten that Tidus is the BIGGEST name in the next-gen FF era?

That being said, let's see this match to the end before the shameless gloating and analyses flood the board.... Shadow may still have a chance.


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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

like the sig. and yes, I can read binary.
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My luck works best when things are... random. Mat Cauthon from The Dragon Reborn

Sure, Chichi, but such an advantage could be nullified by any other random factor, which makes focusing on FAQ listings idiotic even in a close match.

My point is that when everyone is listing out huge complex arguments, they ignore FFX-2 every time, and then pick Shadow. Good luck with that.
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I for one am not surprised with the results, Tidus would've won and most of you people would've known that if you didn't fall into the anti-Tidus trap. Also with the brackets looking to be very close every point does count now.
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Summer 2004 Contest 9/9 Tidus vs. Shadow

SC2K4 FIRST DRAFT - PAGE 11 - (5) TOMMY VERCETTI vs. (12) MAX PAYNE

Disclaimer: This preview series may contain mildly offensive stuff, as well as SPOILERS, not only for the characters discussed, but other stuff as well.

Here we have another match where an obvious set-up is taking place, between two of the most famous Rockstar action heroes. I'll say it outright: I don't play Rockstar games, so I don't know anything about these guys, except that the FFP's interpretation of Vercetti kicked so much ass. Actually getting to bang KOS-MOS = my instant admiration.

Some may contest Max Payne's return here after blowout losses against Scorpion and Sephiroth. But hey, he still beat Gordon Freeman and blew the **** out of Dirk the Daring. Fun fact: Gordon is seeded higher than Max, yet Scorpion is lower. Max Payne is weak, yes, but what if instead of Payne we got Paine? Suddenly makes you a lot happier to have him, I guess.

This is Tidus/Shadow day, so don't expect much analysis here. Vercetti is expected to win this match, and I have no idea how he can possibly lose. Max Payne is no DK, hell ****ing no. He's even weaker than Kite, if that can be done.

NUMBERS OF INTEREST

SC2K3 extrapolated standings
27. Tommy Vercetti - 24.76%
51. Max Payne - 16.68%
Projection: Vercetti with 66.32%

Board Odds Project picks (119 brackets)
Tommy Vercetti - 119
Max Payne - 0

Board Odds Project point value
20. Tommy Vercetti - 129
52. Max Payne - 0

CONTEST TRIVIA

According to CJayC's standings, Vercetti is the second best newcomer, behind Bowser, but ahead of Magus - by 175 votes!
Max Payne is the weakest character to have won a match in both 2002 and 2003.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 009/009 - Matches: 09/09 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: Tidus - Tomorrow: Vercetti

1 hour into the day vote and Tidus has gain 200 votes.
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Summer 2004 Contest 9/9 Tidus vs. Shadow

Tidus has gain another 100 votes and from the looks of it the Day vote is either cancelling out between the two or hasn't come yet.
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Summer 2004 Contest 9/9 Tidus vs. Shadow

Chucat's stopped doing updates =(. Anyway, Tidus is making me very happy, considering that the day vote is starting and he is holding strong...
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WTF is OoS? Ocarina of Sex? ~ Stop Fundamentalists

Right about now is when I should start laughing at all the Shadow fans who so vohemently argued with me over the past few weeks. This match was in question. Never. You people were just too blind to realize that a character you hate so much could do this well against one of your own. Like it or not, Tidus has his fans. They're quiet, but they're there.

That's pretty arrogant right there. You realize that if shadow fans find out about a loss on your bracket, they'll be all over this?

I picked shadow, but because I thought (Knew) he was cooler than Tidus. FF fanboys proved me wrong...
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Gamefaqs: Where EVERYONE understands sarcasm. ~caitsithfortune

Being cooler than Tidus is not that hard. Shadow being cooler than anyone, anything, is a physical impossibility to the same level as Gordon Freeman winning a match.

And I gotta agree with Ulti. I never gave a second thought about Tidus winning. EVER. Anyone with half a brain could've figured out he was going to win this.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 009/009 - Matches: 09/09 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: Tidus - Tomorrow: Vercetti

I know many people predicted that Shadow was gonna win due to his last year's performance against Mario... But think about it, many characters did put average-good numbers/percentage against Mario.. Right off the start, i didn't really think Shadow had any chance against a main character of a Final Fantasy game.. Although i knew it was gonna be close, i knew Tidus had this one in the bag.. Shadow is overhyped and overestimated in this year's contest..

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"I just wanna protect the people I'm with. Doesn't matter whether I can or not. It's what I believe in."
-Zidane (Final Fantasy IX)

That's fairly insulting to me, seeing how I thought the other way around.
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Gamefaqs: Where EVERYONE understands sarcasm. ~caitsithfortune

OMG yay Tidus is a gonna win! If he keeps any sort of lead in the day then he'll win fo sure!
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros
SC2K4 Score: 10/10 Next Pick: Tommy Vercetti

I honestly wasn't sure, but this is my first contest... I ended up choosing Tidus, just because it seemed like Shadow could've benefitted a tiny bit from antivotes.... I wasn't nearly as sure as Slowflake or Ulti appear to be though...
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WTF is OoS? Ocarina of Sex? ~ Stop Fundamentalists

Like I've been saying

people who put Shadow over Tidus on this board are falling in the anti-Tidus group, but Tidus is stronger then you think. I know this would be a close match though Shadow has next to none chance of winning since for Shadow to win comfortably he would have to be stronger then Sonic
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Summer 2004 Contest 9/9 Tidus vs. Shadow

Lead is over 1400 =).
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WTF is OoS? Ocarina of Sex? ~ Stop Fundamentalists

20XX Division: Round 1 - Match 11 – (5)Tommy Vercetti vs. (12)Max Payne

Moltar’s Analysis

Tommy
Game/Series Known From:Grand Theft Auto: Vice City
Extrapolated Rank in 2002: N/A
Extrapolated Rank in 2003: 27th
Seed in 2002: N/A
Seed in 2003: 3
Lost to Mega Man in Round 3 in 2003.
A favorite to win the Contest in 2003 among casual voters.

Remember the hype this guy got when he was put in as part of the bracket? Tommy turned out to be just another competitor.

Max
Game/Series Known From: Max Payne Series
Extrapolated Rank in 2002: 35th
Extrapolated Rank in 2003: 51st
Seed in 2002: 4
Seed in 2003: 10
Lost in 2002 to Scorpion in Round 2 and to Sephiroth in Round 2 in 2003.

And Max once again worms his way into this Contest. This time, he’s first round fodder!

Last time we saw Tommy, he barely got past an ape and was owned by a man whose name is Mega. Max on the other hand beat Gordon Freeman. The Gordon Freeman of Half-Life. The same Half-Life that got 45% on Metroid Prime...yes, I’m just trying to write an interesting analysis to a boring match.

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Tommy will win.

Moltar’s Prediction is: Tommy 63% - Max 37%


Ulti’s Analysis

Two Rockstar giants, but only one Rockstar character with any sort of a following on our site. Vercetti can win this thing barehanded.

Ulti’s Bracket/Prediction - Vercetti/Vercetti with 61.12%



Cena’s Analysis

It’s hard to tell who’s more bad ass in this match. And honsetly, the bad-ass factor will be a factor in whoever wins this. Unfortunately, it won’t be that big of a factor, since Tommy Vercetti in his ugly Hawaiian shirt, will take the win here. It’ll be closer than you think because Tommy blows, but Max Payne won’t have enough in him to win this.

Cena’s Vote: Max Payne

Cena’s Prediction: Tommy with 65% (There should be a Bad-Ass character tournament. Go Max go!)
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Ganon vs. Alucard - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Tidus vs. Shadow - Bracket: Shadow - Vote: Shadow (9/9)

Tidus is struggling to get 1500 so this could be the day vote and it isn't really helping Shadow as much as you thought
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Summer 2004 Contest 9/9 Tidus vs. Shadow

Every so often, the lead drops by about 15 to maybe 35 votes, but then Tidus manages to come back and bring the lead up again and then some...
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WTF is OoS? Ocarina of Sex? ~ Stop Fundamentalists

It's been happening the entire poll. Tidus will gain a lot, Shadow will hold him about 50-50 for a little and even take some off the lead, and then Tidus will start gaining again.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

Up over 1600 =).
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WTF is OoS? Ocarina of Sex? ~ Stop Fundamentalists

I love how Ulti completely ignored the guy who offered to bet accounts with him.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Oh well, win or lose, I'll still be proud of Shadow. He was able to keep up with one of the strongest FF characters here, and with a better placement next year, I can see him easily reaching the Sweet 16.

It also shows that Shadow's excellent performance against Mario wasn't all just an over-performance and anti-votes and junk.
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Ganon vs. Alucard - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Tidus vs. Shadow - Bracket: Shadow - Vote: Shadow (9/9)

In FFX vs. SSBM, FFX didn't start gaining (won more then one update in a row) until 16:00 so Shadow has about 7 hours to keep toe and toe with Tidus until he runs away with the vote.
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Summer 2004 Contest 9/9 Tidus vs. Shadow

*tag*
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Match #9 Review:

A good, solid showing by MM that shows that he's at least on par with his performance last year. It's too early to tell whether he's got any sort of boost, though.

Match #11 Preview:

My eyes bleed every time either of these guys win a match. Ceej is so cruel to me...
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

1750 vote lead.
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"Shadow has about 7 hours to keep toe and toe with Tidus until he runs away with the vote."

Shadow has to catch back up first.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Hahahahaha!!

I told you all that Tidus would win because of Square. But did none of you listen??? Nooo!!!! Board users have been hilarious. You just say "Sonic beat Aeris" and "Knuckles beat Yuna"! Sonic and Knuckles would stomp all over Shadow!! Shadow is not Sonic nor Knuckles! Sonic has proven he can hang with the toughest, Shadow hasn't!! He's just average!! Tidus is the main character of FFX! Square > Sega. Sonic's the only one that has overcome barrier, and maybe Knuckles will, but NOT NOTSHADOW! And then probably the best argument.."Shadow got 45% on Mario!!!"...well, I suppose that's good, but a lot of others would do better. Shadow is another victim of the Square Fanboys.

And because people couldn't realize this, a lot of people will be saying goodbye to their perfect brackets.

But not me, because I did my voluntary homework!! I stay on top as I get closer to $400 buckeraroos!!! Along with many others yes, but still, I live!! Shadow voters don't!

But this is just the first step..a long way to go to $400...

Next: Knux vs Kefka. Again, another tough match which I'm confident in. Knux will win! Knux is one of those Sonic characaters that have proven their worth against FF characters....can't wait..

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Who said Knuckles was stronger than Shadow? Whoever believes that must be on crack.

However, Shadow still isn't quite at Sonic's level. If you put Sonic instead of Shadow the percentages would be reversed.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 009/009 - Matches: 09/09 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: Tidus - Tomorrow: Vercetti

*blah blah* Yes, based on the extrapolated standings, Shadow is stronger than Knuckles. But I'm probably one of many who would vote Knuckles over Shadow in a heart beat.

That being said.... Tai, you're awfully happy that you got this match right.... It wasn't even in debate for me. Wake me up for Jak/Ness
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Who said Knuckles was stronger than Shadow? Whoever believes that must be on crack.

Knuckles beat an FF character.

Shadow is going to lose to an FF character.

Knux > Yuna.

Shadow < Tidus.

Of course Knuckles > Shadow.
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That being said.... Tai, you're awfully happy that you got this match right.... It wasn't even in debate for me.

It's called watching a lot of perfect brackets go down while mine stays perfect, putting me on top of several more people at the end of the match.

Surely you've heard of it. :-)
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That's horrible logic. Tidus is way stronger than Yuna.
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Tidus vs. Shadow - Bracket: Shadow - Vote: Shadow (9/9)

And Tidus = Yuna. Riiiiiiight.

As a side note, I checked the Oracle challenge, and the picks for Auron are monstruously high. How can that be?
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 009/009 - Matches: 09/09 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: Tidus - Tomorrow: Vercetti

Mine is about 2.5% above Xts, and that's because I'm hoping for a little bit of SFF and a little bit is Scrop dropping.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

SFF in Cloud/Auron eh? I still maintain there wasn't any. Tails remained the same.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 009/009 - Matches: 09/09 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: Tidus - Tomorrow: Vercetti

Then Auron/Seph wouldn't have SFF right?

But Cloud/Squall would.
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SC2K4 Score: 10/10 Next Pick: Tommy Vercetti

That's an interesting point. We have tons of potential SFF matches in the third round as well. Would Auron suffer? He probably didn't against Cloud. But what about Squall? Or Zero? I have no idea.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 009/009 - Matches: 09/09 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: Tidus - Tomorrow: Vercetti

I'm thinking Auron did, but only by a minor amount. Of course against Scorp a minor amount could make up a bigger difference.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Tidus will finish with less than 53%. That's a huge blow to all this talk of Shadow overperforming against Mario.
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He may have overperformed slightly, but we don't know for sure. After all, Mario took Denton to hell and back Sunday.

Either way, KHF is still alive and well, it seems. So much for the worries in that department.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 009/009 - Matches: 09/09 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: Tidus - Tomorrow: Vercetti

Either way, KHF is still alive and well, it seems. So much for the worries in that department.

GAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tidus did NOT benefit from Kingdom Hearts!!!!!!!!!

Tidus was simply THE most underrated character after the Summer Contest 2002. I kept telling this to everybody *before* SC2K3. Any "improvement" from 2K2 to 2K3 for Tidus is marginal at best. And even if he did somehow improve it clearly would have had NOTHING to do with Kingdom Hearts, for the simple fact that it makes no sense.

I do not understand why so many people accept this myth, but hopefully people won't ever speak of it again...<laughs maniacally>
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Supporter of Frog
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I'm not usually one to brag *cough*LIAR*cough* but...
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
This year is Sephiroth's year!

Or maybe it's just Final Fantasy X-2 at work...
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

Guys, stop making up excuses for Tidus' performance and just admit that he's been underestimated -- again -- with or without Kingdom Hearts, FFX-2, Frogger, or any other games on his side.
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
This year is Sephiroth's year!

Well, there's no reason to think that Tidus couldn't have possibly increased. I still picked him to win and was confident from the beginning regardless.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

Even though I have Tidus winning in my bracket, I really hope Shadow comes back and wins the match, just to shut up Ulti and Slowflake.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Tidus' improvement between the two contests is just way too big to be simply underrating Tidus. Don't try to make me buy Claire Redfield would score 43% on Sonic, it won't work. Heck, Ryu will be hard-pressed to do it.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 009/009 - Matches: 09/09 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: Tidus - Tomorrow: Vercetti

Well, there's no reason to think that Tidus couldn't have possibly increased.

There's no reason to think that he has, though.
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
This year is Sephiroth's year!

Well, there's also the big dip the Sonic team has taken. Tidus had to have increased somewhat between 2002 and 2003 because he went from being weaker than Ryu to being stronger than him.

And yes, Tidus will always be underestimated because of how vocal his haters are. Maybe this will give him a little contest respect though now that he's beaten the guy who got 45% on Mario.

There's no reason to think that he has, though.

But you can't rule it out completely. Tidus would at least have a reason to explain his increase, if he has at all.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

Actually, sadly no, Leonhart. All I hear is how Megaman is going to rip Tidus apart.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 009/009 - Matches: 09/09 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: Tidus - Tomorrow: Vercetti

I will give Tidus all the respect in the world if he pull 40 percent againist Megaman.

He will. Oh that he will.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 009/009 - Matches: 09/09 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: Tidus - Tomorrow: Vercetti

But you can't rule it out completely. Tidus would at least have a reason to explain his increase, if he has at all.

If you suspect that an increase has taken place then the burden of proof is on you to prove it, not on me to disprove it. Nothing I'm seeing today should be terribly surprising given the extrapolated rankings, in which both characters were so close that they were practically equal. Add in the possibility of Shadow's ranking having been inflated beyond what he deserved by his match against Mario last year and I see no reason to suspect that Tidus has increased.
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
This year is Sephiroth's year!

Well, Tidus will at least gain a little respect from the people who thought he had no chance of even beating Shadow.

But once he gets mid-40s on Mega Man, I think that'll give him more respect, and maybe even to the point where it's undue, much like Shadow's 45% on Mario did for him. Although I somehow find it difficult to believe that Tidus will ever be overestimated or get more respect than he deserves.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

We're talking about increasing from 2002 to 2003.

Geesh, with all these contests stacking up, it's becoming increasingly hard to communicate quickly and efficiently.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 009/009 - Matches: 09/09 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: Tidus - Tomorrow: Vercetti

So what does mean?

Is Tidus ahead of Squall now or maybe even ahead of the character he lost to last year, Gannondorf?

Tidus is the strongest non-Cloud non-Sephiroth FF character, and has always been. Ganondorf? I'd tend to say he's still ahead by a hair. Though it could've changed, but I don't see why.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 009/009 - Matches: 09/09 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: Tidus - Tomorrow: Vercetti

Well Tidus will be ahead of Ganon or Magus in the extrapolated this year due to the SFF matches Ganon and Magus will be facing, so we'll have to wait for SFF adjusted standings to get an idea on that.
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SC2K4 Score: 9/9 Next Pick: Tidus

Its going to be weird next year if Zelda gets its summer release.

The Noble Nine will probably finnaly be destroyed.

Agreed. Tidus has a golden opportunity to make the overall top 10... Ganondorf will probably suffer from SFF against Link, but I'm not so sure about Magus and Zero, Tidus' other chief competition.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 009/009 - Matches: 09/09 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: Tidus - Tomorrow: Vercetti

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I think Tidus will take an eleventh position behind Magus, who I expect to actually put up a fight againist Crono.

I think many of the true CT fans will vote Magus.

Mario=MC=Tidus.

Maybe...?
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wtf?? i dont understand it...
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I will give Tidus all the respect in the world if he pull 40 percent againist Megaman.

He should get very well above that; 45% wouldn't shock me.

We're talking about increasing from 2002 to 2003.

Oh, okay.
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This year is Sephiroth's year!

Tidus' improvement between the two contests is just way too big to be simply underrating Tidus.

What improvement? If you're talking about improvement relative to Sonic, well, that's shady.

Don't try to make me buy Claire Redfield would score 43% on Sonic, it won't work. Heck, Ryu will be hard-pressed to do it.

You mean 37% back in 2K2. Who knows how she'd do now, you never hear about her anymore.

This talk about Tidus improving from Kingdom Hearts is based on almost nothing. Plain and simple.

Does no one remember my big theory on 2K3?? The one big thing I was predicting was a series of events based on people drastically underrating Tidus, and they all came through except for the part about people underrating Link's performance against Magus (which they should have if people's poor logic was self-consistent). I told everybody that Tidus was vastly stronger than people thought.

Now, people around here know this. But few people recognized how strong Tidus was before 2K3 and the acceptance of the extrapolated standings, simply because of their perceptions about him.

Tidus was *always* a force. To say that he improved from 2K2 to 2K3 when the numbers state he didn't is pretty dubious (he didn't decline as much as most in his division, but neither did Crash or CATS, and Samus didn't decline much). To say that a 5 minute cameo in Kingdom freakin' Hearts helped him out is almost surreal.
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No. Tidus still loses to Mario.

He might to be able to make a match againist Snake or Sonic interesting but Mario still wins. I think Mario might of gotten a bit of a boost along with Luigi, by M&L.

One of the big storylines in this contest besides Link v Cloud redux, Megaman last chance of winning, and the fight over that tenth spot, has to be the death of Sonic as a major character in this contest.

I believe this loss is only a warning bell. If Knuckles fails to beat Kefka convincingly and Sonic fails to beat Ryu convincingly, then I believe we can pencil in Magus or Tidus to his spot this year and him being behind Magus, Tidus, Gannondorf next year.

Oh, and...

[Kingdom Hearts **SPOILERS**, I guess]

...before some wiseass baboon--no offense intended ;)--says something about Sephiroth having only a 5 minute cameo, that a was majorly hyped up part of the game, and most people thought it was a very tough fight that they not only fought many times before winning, but also most people spent a long time buffing up their characters and items to fight the battle. So while the actual fight was short and there were those who found it easy, most spent a while preparing for it and anticipating it.

Sephiroth benefiting from Kingdom Hearts (but not as much as Cloud) makes perfect sense and is very obvious. Tidus??? Nah.

END SPOILERS
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"Heh, were you there when I farted?"~ Peter/Family Guy

I agree with Creativename.. Kingdom Hearts did boost Sephiroth's and Cloud's popularity.. but Tidus??, impossible.. So please, stop using Kingdom Hearts as a theory to all the increase in square character's popularity..

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"I just wanna protect the people I'm with. Doesn't matter whether I can or not. It's what I believe in."
-Zidane (Final Fantasy IX)

Even though I have Tidus winning in my bracket, I really hope Shadow comes back and wins the match, just to shut up Ulti and Slowflake.

Agreed...fanboys I tell ya..for a girly man sissy no less...

Come on Shadow, for the love of all that is right...I cannot afford to be pissed off tonight!
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Pub Trivian Forever...SC2K4: 9/9

For Tidus's improvement: Somic/Tidus had shortened time, right on Tidus's prime time. Maybe that's the cause.
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Because how could I not do this forbidden thing, when it feels so good!

No, it was actually on Sonic's, in the middle of the afternoon.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 009/009 - Matches: 09/09 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: Tidus - Tomorrow: Vercetti

Huh.. but you told me ages ago it was on Tidus' prime time... that's why I said that...

STOP CONFUSING ME!
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Because how could I not do this forbidden thing, when it feels so good!

Come on Shadow, for the love of all that is right...I cannot afford to be pissed off tonight

Don't worry, you'll have a lot more chances to screw up. :-)

*ROTFL*
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To say that Tidus got no boost from Kingdom Hearts isn't agreeable to me though, because despite how insignificant his part in the game was, it does have advantages over Sephy's part. For one thing, Tidus' part you had to play through, it's at the *very* start of the game. Seph's part, without giving away too much, isn't essential, is MUCH cooler, but again, you can miss it. You really can't miss tidus, insignificant and stupid as it is. Tidus didnt have to gain fans, he just had to gain recognition, somethign a three minute opening would allow for him.
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Slowflake:

SFF in Cloud/Auron eh? I still maintain there wasn't any. Tails remained the same.

Somebody, I'm pretty sure it was you said that, Cloud Vs. Auron SFF can be cancelled out by Cloud underperforming against Mario in 2002, so Tails is not an issue.

creativename:

Tidus will finish with less than 53%. That's a huge blow to all this talk of Shadow overperforming against Mario.

Don't rule out Sonic Heroes as a possible source of increased strength for Shadow this year. Even though it didn't sell too well, it did appear on PS2 and Xbox, which is exposing Shadow to a new group of people.
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"Groovy"--Earthworm Jim

What about Tidus' role in Kingdom Hearts makes him more appealing???? They turned him into a 10 year old looking child with a wooden sword and a snotty attitude. If anything, that would DETRACT votes from him. It wouldn't entice me to go play Final Fantasy X.

CLOUD on the other hand was given near god status in Kingdom Hearts (literally, he was assigned to KILL Hercules). Seeing Cloud AND fighting against him WILL make you wanna go play Final Fantasy 7 if you had even heard of him before. The same with Squall. Yuffie and Aeris played great roles in the game as well.

No, I don't think that the fight against Sephiroth played as big a role in his increase as people are making out. But Cloud's role more than makes up for it. Think about it, if seeing Cloud makes you wanna go play FF7, then bygosh who do you end up seeing? And don't bring up how the KHF didn't bring up Squall and Aeris as much as Cloud and Sephiroth. Those CHARACTERS aren't equal right? So why would the KHF benefit all of the equally? It should have brought them up in a ratio to their respective popularity. Think about it....
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Don't rule out Sonic Heroes as a possible source of increased strength for Shadow this year. Even though it didn't sell too well, it did appear on PS2 and Xbox, which is exposing Shadow to a new group of people.

Plus there's the fact that Shadow is only a couple years old, so just about anything could help him. This will anger HM, but...if Tidus and Shadow both took an increase (I said IF...I'm skeptical), then that means Mega Man could have a very close match next round... scary.

Oh, and speaking of the period in Sonic vs. Tidus with the missing votes, and its being Sonic's prime time, that could help explain why Claire Redfield is ranked so high...very interesting.

I still think the natural explanation for Tidus' increase was that he wasn't at his full potential in 2002, still being too new.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

that means Mega Man could have a very close match next round... scary

I think Tidus will scare the crap out of Mega Man fans in the second round because people see Tidus a midweight when he is, in fact, one of the top dozen.
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
This year is Sephiroth's year!

So why would the KHF benefit all of the equally? It should have brought them up in a ratio to their respective popularity

Didn't Squall increase more than Sephiroth?
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"Groovy"--Earthworm Jim

Perhaps, but Mega Man will still win that one. It won't be as close as this one, but it'll probably be no farther apart than 60-40.
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"Spira is full of death...only SIN is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly."- Auron

Barely, but Squall's boost was still only half of what Cloud got, for some reason.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

Grr...darn Tidus....every time Shadow starts to cut the lead Tidus increases his lead by 40 in a minute or two.

Start voting consistently, accursed Tidus fans!
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2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

For Mega vs. Tidus/Shadow, I just look at Mario/Shadow. Mega is a bit stronger than Mario and Tidus and Shadow are about the same.

So Mega with around 56-58%.
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Tidus vs. Shadow - Bracket: Shadow - Vote: Shadow (9/9)

Tidus seems to enjoy toying with Shadow. He's been doing it all day, letting the hedgehog get some small gains, and then grabbing it all back in a brief spurt. Plus, he's fighting with one hand tied behind his back.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

Tidus didn't have to appear great in Kingdom Hearts, apopearing was enough to receive a boost for him. And no, it wouldnt' detract votes from him, because he doesn't really do anything negative to lose votes. If you didn't no Tidus before KH, you probably didn't vote for him anyway, and if you didn't vote for Tidus, than by not voting for him now, you're not really detracting from him. Also, Cloud, imo at least, didn't really appear godly, sure he fights you, woo hoo, but his part in the game really isn't too much greater than Tidus'. And it makes a lot more sense for Squall to go up than Sephiroth did, even if it was only minimal, because Squall is also in the beginning of the game, and more important to the story than Sephy is.
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You realize that if shadow fans find out about a loss on your bracket, they'll be all over this?

Don't take my posts seriously. Ever. Unless you know they're 100% serious. And I'm going to lose a match sooner or later. To be honest, I won a contest already. I don't care about this one as much as you may think. Yeah I hope I do well, but it won't be the end of the world if I don't.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

You'll still be my sexy sex, even if you lose.
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But this is just the first step..a long way to go to $400...

Says a guy who has Luigi beating Yoshi and Link winning it all. You have no chance. If I had to put my money on anyone winning, it would be anyone and everyone who has the same bracket as either myself or ChichiriMuyo.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Knuckles beat an FF character.

Shadow is going to lose to an FF character.

Knux > Yuna.

Shadow < Tidus.

Of course Knuckles > Shadow.

You have absolutely no common sense. Those characters have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with one another.
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*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

It's called watching a lot of perfect brackets go down while mine stays perfect, putting me on top of several more people at the end of the match.

Congrats, you agreed with over 20000 other people who probably had Tidus winnign this match. Grow up, plz.
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*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Even though I have Tidus winning in my bracket, I really hope Shadow comes back and wins the match, just to shut up Ulti and Slowflake.

Says a guy with a grudge who has nothing better to do with his time but harass me via e-mail about reviews he doesn't agree with. If you don't them, go write your own and do it better yourself.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Don't worry, you'll have a lot more chances to screw up. :-)

*ROTFL*

Posts like that are the reason no one likes you. Why people call me arrogant when you still post regularly on this board is beyond me.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Ulti: 5
Everyone else: 0
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Link, Alucard, Magus, Crono, Mario, Knuckles, Kefka, Cloud, Sonic...
And Frog.

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Personally I still think you have flawed logic on your Vivi/DK match-up, but other than that I see no reason why you cannot run-out the rest of the tourney.

QUESTION OF THE DAY:

Tidus/Shadow hype (PICK ONE): Tidus being underestimated OR Shadow being overrated? Why do you feel the one you choose was more relevant than the other?
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...and it begins! First tough match: Shadow v. TIDUS

"If you don't them?" What, you're so obsessed with being arrogant you can't even post proper grammer now?!?!?!?! *ROTFL*

That load of BS is supposed to somehow make you win an argument that only you care about? You are more of a troll/hypocrite than anyone I have ever seen outside of juigithefefan, and you have no place whatsoever to say anything about it. Ulti is right. Grow the hell up.
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Bling bling yo!

Perhaps, but Mega Man will still win that one.

Well, duh. Tidus is no match for Mega Man but he’ll still be able to put on a show that will shock some of the anti-Meg Ryan users on this board.
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This year is Sephiroth's year!

It's good to have smitelf back =)

How was the vacation/move/comp problem?
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Everytime someone calls Tidus Meg Ryan, I get a picture in my head.

A picture of him laying in bed naked with Billy Crystal.

And I am scared.

Tidus/Shadow hype (PICK ONE): Tidus being underestimated OR Shadow being overrated? Why do you feel the one you choose was more relevant than the other?

Hard to choose on that one, but I have to say Shadow's 45% on Mario was mentioned absolutely everywhere. So I have to say Shadow being overrated was more prevalent than reactions that Tidus couldn't possibly be the 3rd strongest FF char.

Wait, there was a lot of that too. Blarg, I don't think I've managed to pick either.
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Supporter of Frog, Magus, Mega Man, Vivi, and Kefka!

How was the vacation/move/comp problem?

Eh, I'll tell you next time I see you on AIM. I'm sure no one else here wants to read another post dedicated to my ranting ;)
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
This year is Sephiroth's year!

Says a guy with a grudge who has nothing better to do with his time but harass me via e-mail about reviews he doesn't agree with. If you don't them, go write your own and do it better yourself.

Ulti, just let it go. If you can't accpet the fact that there are many, many people out there besides me who dislike your review for the same reasons I do, then I have nothing more to say to you.

Christ almighty, I thought we ended this stupid "feud" already.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

can't it be neither for the question? I mean, this match is no blowout, but I would answer tidus underestimation.
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Well I've also gotten plenty of e-mails from people claiming they loved the review due to not getting why OOT was so well-loved and seeing me put it into words for them.

And I forgot about everything until you made snide comments in this topic. I get a bad reputation from people attacking me so much, yet I did absolutely nothing wrong until you went out and said 'I hope Shadow wins just to shut Ulti and Slowflake up'. That wasn't necessary.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Do people feel for certain that FFX-2 keeping Tidus and his world fairly current has no effect on this match?
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Summer 2004 Contest 9/9 Tidus vs. Shadow

I'm not defending Tai or anything (I already called him out over his gloating over this match), but what exactly is wrong with having Link winning the contest? It's not like he has NO chance of winning. Many people feel like he has a GREAT chance of winning according to the BOP. We all might very well end up being wrong, but that's the whole purpose of the contest! Just like Heroic Mario has his reasons why he thinks Mega Man will take it, I have my same personal reasons for Link. I may have mentioned a couple of those reasons before, but I prefer to keep them to myself and watch what happens. (His Luigi over Yoshi match I will NOT defend at ALL however.....)

Besides, I owe it to Link after going against my gut cost me big time in the Spring Contest. If it ends up costing me, then so be it. TWICE I voted Metroid over Zelda (Super Metroid reaching Chrono Trigger instead of LttP, Metroid Prime beating WW), and I also voted FF Tactics over Metal Gear Solid. Everytime, I went against what I truly thought and went with what I thought everyone else would go with. That 10 points lost was the difference between being tied for 10th place.

*That and the fact that I didn't know a damn thing about Starcraft and didn't know the difference between Starcraft, Warcraft, and Everquest in terms of popularity (-_-)*

Speaking of the Spring Contest, yoblazer33 was only one point out of the lead with 184. Why isn't everybody worshipping him? *sarcasm*
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I'm kind of insulted that he didn't want to shut me up, too. I guess I haven't been vocal enough in my disdain for all those who have underestimated Tidus. <insert bragging, laughing, and pies to the face here>
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This year is Sephiroth's year! Contest Score: 9/9, Next Winner: Tidus

Speaking of the Spring Contest, yoblazer33 was only one point out of the lead with 184. Why isn't everybody worshipping him? *sarcasm*

He has numbers in his name.
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This year is Sephiroth's year! Contest Score: 9/9, Next Winner: Tidus

I don't really see how a match that's 51-49 had an "obvious" outcome.

-Dabu

World Cyber Games 2004
Come, if you dare.

I agree Lord Dabu, I guess this time it was just that we were ready for a close match, and expected a closer one.
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Speaking of the Spring Contest, yoblazer33 was only one point out of the lead with 184. Why isn't everybody worshipping him? *sarcasm*

Because no one remembers the people who don't win.
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros
SC2K4 Score: 9/9 Next Pick: Tidus

Could I be offered an analysis of why Yoshi will beat Luigi? I have Luigi, but I was practically flipping a coin on it. Its the only match in my entire bracket that differs from NGamers =)

Excuse me, but I remember LordOfDabu being #1 quite well. Right up to the final =)
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

He has numbers in his name.

And an "X" isn't as bad?
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Speaking of NGamer, all I ever see him do is make Oracle predictions and not update the guru standings. It seems this year instead of CJay not giving us stats, it is NGamer.
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros
SC2K4 Score: 9/9 Next Pick: Tidus

Excuse me, but I remember LordOfDabu being #1 quite well. Right up to the final =)

Because you remember things better than 95% of GameFAQsers. That and when you win something, you tend to know your entire path to victoly.
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SC2K4 Score: 9/9 Next Pick: Tidus

eh, the guru stats probably don't even really need to be updated until after today anyway though
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Could I be offered an analysis of why Yoshi will beat Luigi? I have Luigi, but I was practically flipping a coin on it. Its the only match in my entire bracket that differs from NGamers =)

With Luigi's performance against Pac-Man all I can say is the better Kefka does against Knuckles the better it is for Luigi
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Summer 2004 Contest 9/9 Tidus vs. Shadow

Tidus was under-rated. They've both matched their estimated powers, which are pretty much equal. However...I think since a higher-seeded Tidus lost closely in the first round last year to Ganondorf, as opposed to a lower-seeded Shadow impressively thumping Wario and did surprisingly very good against Mario, people started to forget about Tidus's overall strength. If there's another Best. Game. Ever. contest, I think Halo and Starcraft will be victims of this by the board's bracket-makers in the same way that Tidus and Shadow did last year.

It's a matter of people flocking to the winners rather than the losers, really. I say this having picked Shadow to beat Tidus.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

That and when you win something, you tend to know your entire path to victoly.

OMG J00 MAED A GRAMMTICAL ERRWOR J00 R TROLLING AND ST00PID ROTFL!1!1!!1!1

Yes, that was sarcasm. I like swirl a bit much to go off and attack him for real.
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LordOfDabu, congratulations on 1337 karma. ;x

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Link, Alucard, Magus, Crono, Mario, Knuckles, Kefka, Cloud, Sonic...
And Frog.

I don't really see how a match that's 51-49 had an "obvious" outcome.

I wouldn't call it obvious...I just found all the talk of Tidus anti-votes annoying. I'm no fan of his but it's pretty clear to anyone with half a frontal lobe that he's much less hated by most of the GameFAQs visitors than by the contest board, and the blatant stupidity and blindness of the board to this fact is worth laughing at. I'm not laughing at all those who picked Shadow, just those who thought he'd win because people don't like Tidus. If he wasn't liked, he wouldn't be thirteenth in the extrapolated rankings from last year. It's pretty hard to be that high up when you're hated.
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This year is Sephiroth's year! Contest Score: 9/9, Next Winner: Tidus

Bah, screw grammar. On this site anyway.
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros
SC2K4 Score: 9/9 Next Pick: Tidus

The night vote has started. Tidus has increased his lead by 50 in the last 10 or 15 min.
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Summer 2004 Contest 9/9 Tidus vs. Shadow

Oh wow, he does have 1337 karma. Go Dabu =)
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I'm not laughing at all those who picked Shadow, just those who thought he'd win because people don't like Tidus.

Fine with that - I don't think most of the people with Shadow in their brackets were relying on anti-votes anyway. Seriously - how could anybody who had serious anti-vote still end up as such a powerful character?

Of course, some people insist on saying that this match was "Obvious". Now, MegaMan versus Earthworm Jim is obvious. A match which may end up within 51-49 is not.
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2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

1337 karma. That pwns.
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros
SC2K4 Score: 9/9 Next Pick: Tidus

I just checked and it's changed to 1338 ;_;
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros
SC2K4 Score: 9/9 Next Pick: Tidus

So Mega Man vs Earthworm Jim wouldn't have been obvious had it been 51-49?
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From: Tai | Posted: 8/10/2004 6:55:27 PM | Message Detail
[This message was deleted at the request of a moderator or administrator]

We still don't have the old mod message back? That sucks.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
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It's messages as funny as this one that keep me going to these boards and reading inane predictions by people that have no idea what they are talking about:

From: UltimateKael | Posted: 8/8/2004 10:53:48 PM | Message Detail
Shadow /does/ have this one in the bag. It's almost a Tidus v.s. Sonic match. And due to the fact that Sonic Heroes is the 9th top selling video game in the U.S. this year, I'd say that they got a boost in popularity. Aka, Shadow is going to wipe the floor with Tidus, and go on to beat the blue bomber. (Don't forget the T.V. show.)
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Random thought of the post: Pwnz0rz on yoo kk.

I love it.
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Current Pick: Tidus; Current Vote: Tidus; Points: 9/9
Supporter of Frog, Magus, Mega Man, Vivi, and Kefka!

>>>>>>>>XD
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

but...if Tidus and Shadow both took an increase

And Mega Man stay the same? I doubt it.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

So Mega Man vs Earthworm Jim wouldn't have been obvious had it been 51-49?

Horrible example, and you know it.

Megaman is 4th strongest in the contest. Earthworm Jim was known from the start to have been barely above fodder, having missed the first two contests and not having had a game in god knows how many years. There was no way Jim was breaking 30 percent without cheating on an unprecedented level, let alone manage to bring the spread within 2 percent.

Whereas with this match, we KNEW it was gonna be close. The extrapolateds had them essentially tied, and they are both fairly recent characters with well received games. Anyone claiming either character was going to get above 53 percent was pulling things out of their ass - there just wasnt any predictable factor that could cause such a change. Additionally, theyre werent any factors that we could count on coming into play in such a way that either character had a guaranteed win. We KNEW the match was going to be this close. And to say that we can tie anything down within such a small range of potentially volitility is just arrogant.
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For Mega vs. Tidus/Shadow, I just look at Mario/Shadow. Mega is a bit stronger than Mario and Tidus and Shadow are about the same.

So Mega with around 56-58%.

If Mega Man received no increase at all, maybe, but I don't a reason for him to get no boost from the prior year.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

On a side note, this match is on pace to easily be the most voted match of the contest so far.
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Theifenburg Uncertainty Principle - Without any witnesses, who's to say what happened?
Proud warrior of THE LUCA BLIGHT ARMY

...and go on to beat the blue bomber.

that prediction went from 0 to hilarious in 0.4 sentences.

and, while i'm here, how about some good old fashioned ulti sniping:

So Mega Man vs Earthworm Jim wouldn't have been obvious had it been 51-49?

actually, no, it wouldn't have.
obvious means we saw the outcome coming from a mile away.
and who would have seen that coming?
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Anyone claiming either character was going to get above 53 percent was pulling things out of their ass

like I was saying if Shadow did break 51% against Tidus in his match that would prove that Shadow > Sonic
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Summer 2004 Contest 9/9 Tidus vs. Shadow

And I forgot about everything until you made snide comments in this topic. I get a bad reputation from people attacking me so much, yet I did absolutely nothing wrong until you went out and said 'I hope Shadow wins just to shut Ulti and Slowflake up'. That wasn't necessary.

The reason I made that comment had nothing to do with your goddamn review. Jesus H. Christ.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

like I was saying if Shadow did break 51% against Tidus in his match that would prove that Shadow > Sonic

Somewhat true. It would mean that Shadow was stronger than Sonic, OR that the entire Sonic series had become more popular, OR that Tidus had lost a small bit of popularity from the year before.


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2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

So Mega Man vs Earthworm Jim wouldn't have been obvious had it been 51-49?

no it wouldn't have been obvious, because apparently, it wasn't obvious, as the match turned out to be much closer, so you could call it obvious, but that doesnt' make it obvious.

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I really don't see any way Shadow can be stronger then Sonic.. I really would see them in a poll and see the result of the match.. Due to SFF, i think Sonic would surely own Shadow in the match-up if it ever happen..

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"I just wanna protect the people I'm with. Doesn't matter whether I can or not. It's what I believe in."
-Zidane (Final Fantasy IX)

Oh and I'm with creativename. I don't see Tidus benefiting from KH at all and there's no way he could be used to say whether or not the characters from KH are still as strong as they were last year.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Furthermore, Ulti, don't talk to me about making snide remarks. I'm certainly not the one who attacked my sexual habits in a recent e-mail.

That comment aside, I just want to discuss the goddamn contest. I'll have my opinion, you can have your opinion, and that's that.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Oops.. what i meant was.. i would really like to see a Sonic vs. Shadow match.. Then due to SFF, i think Sonic will surely own Shadow in the match up..

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"I just wanna protect the people I'm with. Doesn't matter whether I can or not. It's what I believe in."
-Zidane (Final Fantasy IX)

I would almost go as far to say Tidus must to have benefited somewhat from Kingdom Hearts, if for nothing else other than the fact that he was in it.
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In a Sonic vs. Shadow match, Knuckles would take the victory.....
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I would almost go as far to say Tidus must to have benefited somewhat from Kingdom Hearts, if for nothing else other than the fact that he was in it.

That, and that Shadow wasn't.
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I chose the road less traveled -- now where the heck am I?
A Picture Is Worth 1,000 Words, But It Uses Up a Thousand Times the Memory

Seriously.. Kingdom Hearts did not boost all the Square Character's Popularity.. The sure main two characters that they boost are Sephiroth and Cloud... If Kingdom Hearts did boosted all the square character's popularity, then why did it do so poorly on the spring contest? I thought for sure it would take down Soul Calibur without too much of a threat, but it almost caved and lost in the FIRST round.. (no comment on the Starcraft vs. Kingdom Hearts match) ..

Anyways.. In Kingdom Hearts, i don't see how it could have boosted Tidus's popularity.. The game seriously made him look like a pansy girl.. I could have seen why Sephiroth and Cloud benefitted so much from it, but not Tidus, Aerith, etc... And even if it did, the "KH FACTOR" probably would have wore off by now for Tidus..

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"I just wanna protect the people I'm with. Doesn't matter whether I can or not. It's what I believe in."
-Zidane (Final Fantasy IX)

I think KH has become the next Tidus
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Summer 2004 Contest 9/9 Tidus vs. Shadow

When does the night vote kick in?

The lead is now under 1500
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Summer 2004 Contest 9/9 Tidus vs. Shadow

It should be right about now.. Around 9 p.m. Eastern Time..

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"I just wanna protect the people I'm with. Doesn't matter whether I can or not. It's what I believe in."
-Zidane (Final Fantasy IX)

Now what would cause me to start laughing at this point would be if the impossible happened and Shadow started to do better with the night vote.

Course, maybe not impossible - he seems to be speeding up somewhat inexplicably....likely won't last, however.
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2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

Now what would cause me to start laughing at this point would be if the impossible happened and Shadow started to do better with the night vote.

Course, maybe not impossible - he seems to be speeding up somewhat inexplicably....likely won't last, however.

See: Donkey Kong vs Duck Hunt.

Donkey Kong took the night vote away at the very beginning, then Duck Hunt kept creeping back from a 3100+ vote deficit and stole the show from there, all the way until the very end where it lost by about 135 votes, I think.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Shadow has been pushing, but waaaaaaay too slowly to do much about it.

And yeah, I think this match was obvious. Sue me.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Kingdom Hearts wasn't weak in the contest, it ranked 13 or 15 with sff adjustments. Starcraft wasn't weak, and losing to it doesn't mean much. And no matter how badly KH did in the contest, it still sold 4+ million copies, and no matter how bad Tidus was in the game, he was in the game, and no not all square characters got increases from it, because only those that were in it did. And Aeris has a much more prominent role in the game than did Cloud, and especially sephiroth. And didn't all the square characters in KH get a boost?
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Donkey Kong took the night vote away at the very beginning, then Duck Hunt kept creeping back from a 3100+ vote deficit and stole the show from there, all the way until the very end where it lost by about 135 votes, I think.

Yeah, but Donkey Kong was supposed to win the night vote. For Shadow to win the night vote against a FF character would be sort of wacky.
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2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

Yeah, but Donkey Kong was supposed to win the night vote. For Shadow to win the night vote against a FF character would be sort of wacky.

That's what I'm comparing; Donkey Kong won the beginning night vote and Duck Hunt took it at the end night vote, whereas Tidus took the starting night vote and Shadow may steal the end night vote.

Of course, that's not set in stone; even if it is, it's not certain that Shadow could get enough of the end night vote to win. It's a pretty steep climb right now, as is.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Seriously.. Kingdom Hearts did not boost all the Square Character's Popularity.. The sure main two characters that they boost are Sephiroth and Cloud...

Look at Squall's performance in 2003 compared to 2002 and tell me he didn't increase dramatically. He went from a 15 seed with 35% against Solid Snake (which was really good on its own without KH. He could've beaten Luigi without the boost) to a Sweet Sixteen appearance and 41.8% on Samus Aran.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

If Mega Man received no increase at all, maybe, but I don't a reason for him to get no boost from the prior year.

I did factor in a small boost...I don't see him breaking 60.
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Tidus vs. Shadow - Bracket: Shadow - Vote: Shadow (9/9)

That's what I'm comparing; Donkey Kong won the beginning night vote and Duck Hunt took it at the end night vote, whereas Tidus took the starting night vote and Shadow may steal the end night vote.

The only reason that happened at all was that neither of the characters had a clear lock on the vote during the night. Square characters, however, ALWAYS win the night. Sonic characters do better during the day. So, for a Sonic character to start to improve after nightfall seems counter-intuitive.
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2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

Whoops... sorry, i left out Squall Leonhart from the boost of Kingdom Heart's popularity..

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"I just wanna protect the people I'm with. Doesn't matter whether I can or not. It's what I believe in."
-Zidane (Final Fantasy IX)

I have a question.. If Squall and Tidus were ever to face each other, who do you think would win?

Personally, I think Squall would edge out Tidus by a little.. But from the polls, Tidus has the edge over Squall..
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"I just wanna protect the people I'm with. Doesn't matter whether I can or not. It's what I believe in."
-Zidane (Final Fantasy IX)

I would just like Heroic Mario to tell me WHY MMAC would give Megaman a KH-esque boost.

KH exposed these characters to a new audience and I'm, assuming that that's what your logic is with MMAC.

But how does a game that sold roughly 200,000 copies give as much of a boost as a game that sold roughly two million copies*. A.K.A Ten times that amount.

*In America.
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"Groovy"--Earthworm Jim

Don't take my posts seriously. Ever. Unless you know they're 100% serious. And I'm going to lose a match sooner or later. To be honest, I won a contest already. I don't care about this one as much as you may think. Yeah I hope I do well, but it won't be the end of the world if I don't.

Still, not everyone would know that.

Remember, my sig is rather accurate for a description.
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Everytime someone calls Tidus Meg Ryan, I get a picture in my head.

A picture of him laying in bed naked with Billy Crystal.

*shudders*

I wouldn't call it obvious...I just found all the talk of Tidus anti-votes annoying.

and i was getting equally irritated by the vast number of "experts" who said there was a high number of Mario anti-votes in his match against Shadow that gave Shadow higher numbers than normal, which supposedly ranked him higher than he should have been.


Tidus/Shadow hype (PICK ONE): Tidus being underestimated OR Shadow being overrated? Why do you feel the one you choose was more relevant than the other?


neither was overrated or underrated. from the day the bracket was posted, this match was completely undecided. this was supposed to be one of the closest matches of this contest. and it looks like it will live up to the expectation. Shadow and Tidus were expected to be equals and anytime a match is this close (51/49), the characters might as well be equal.

but, no match this close could be called obviously predictable. out of the almost 200 contest matches we've seen, only about 16 or 17 have been this close or closer (51%-49% or less).

and yeah, this looks like it will have the highest vote total so far. all we need is 1500 more votes in the next four hours. now that i think about it, didn't Tidus's match last year have the highest first round vote total also? amusing.

ya know, i don't even like Tidus or Shadow at all. can't we just declare them both losers and give us all a point?

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

And yeah, I think this match was obvious. Sue me.

Why are people saying this match could not have been obvious? If we were to go back in time, give Shadow 25% on Mario, no one would have put Shadow over Tidus in their brackets. I still feel strongly that most of the playstation/square/ff/whatever you want to call them fanboys, voted for Shadow in that match, making it more deceiving that it really was.
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Happiness is like peeing on yourself. Everyone can see it, but only you feel it's warmth.

If we were to go back in time, give Shadow 25% on Mario, no one would have put Shadow over Tidus in their brackets.

well, duh, Captain Obvious. if Shadow got 25% on Mario he would be a much weaker character. he would have been expected to get beat horribly by Tidus. but he didn't get 25% on Mario, he got 45%, making him a strong character, which is why he's roughly equal to Tidus today.


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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

God, Ulti, your arrogance really pisses me off. If you say this match was obvious, can you give me an example of a match in this contest that ISN'T obvious? If you can't, and you get a perfect bracket, I will congratulate you, but if you don't, I will laugh at your incredible arrogance.
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Contest status: 9/9 points. Currently anticipating: Tidus vs. Shadow

MvC3 is not obvious
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BtT: 4:07.55 | HRC: 47,493.0 ft OV aaaargh
Crash.

Well, this match is already the most popular poll in the contest, and we've still got 3 and a half hours to go.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

anyone think we might break 100,000 votes? it could happen.

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

KH exposed these characters to a new audience and I'm, assuming that that's what your logic is with MMAC.

Indeed. Given the fact that many people did not play Mega Man games back on the NES, his best set of games, and that it's on the PS2 and GCN lead me to believe he'll be getting a boost. I also believe the loss of voters and/or the poll's position could help him out (though not something I'm relying on greatly).

All a bunch of other small things that could help out Mega Man, and maybe the possibility of MMX:CM coming along in September to give any sort of little help it could do. Nothing that a lot of people would agree with or believe. Most agree that Mega Man will get a boost of some sort from the recent game, but no one thinks it'll be enough to give him a win over one of the big three. I happen to think it will. We'll really get to find out how much it helped next round.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

God, Ulti, your arrogance really pisses me off. If you say this match was obvious, can you give me an example of a match in this contest that ISN'T obvious? If you can't, and you get a perfect bracket, I will congratulate you, but if you don't, I will laugh at your incredible arrogance.

Not that I like the arrogance either, but to be fair, he's been confidently stating it since the beginning (talking about the bracket being revealed) that Tidus would win. For that, I hold no ill feelings to him. If he had just started now, well, we'd all be mad at him, but he's been relaying it onto us for over a month.

Regardless, I disagree about it being obvious, but I'm not about to argue about that.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

It was obvious for one reason, and one reason only.

Both were dead even in the X-Sts. The difference is, we knew Tidus wasn't a fluke. There was a bit of evidence that Shadow was, but EVEN IF HE ISN'T, and he isn't, Tidus still had a great shot at winning this match. Whenever there's a clear favorite and a clear underdog, in my view, it's obvious. You may disagree on that, but then that'd be playing with words and I don't want to do that at midnight.

Hey, someone wanted examples of obvious 51-49 matches? DK/Aya. Tidus/Ganondorf. Kefka/Pac-Man. KH/Soul Calibur.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 009/009 - Matches: 09/09 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: Tidus - Tomorrow: Vercetti

Oh, and talk about Tidus not getting proper respect. All I hear is how Megaman is going to destroy him. When he fails to do so, everyone will jump on the "Snake will beat Megaman" bandwagon. I can see it happening.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 009/009 - Matches: 09/09 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: Tidus - Tomorrow: Vercetti

The only reason that happened at all was that neither of the characters had a clear lock on the vote during the night. Square characters, however, ALWAYS win the night.

Shadow is still winning the night vote (barely) somehow.

DUN DUN DUN
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Oh, and talk about Tidus not getting proper respect. All I hear is how Megaman is going to destroy him. When he fails to do so, everyone will jump on the "Snake will beat Megaman" bandwagon. I can see it happening.

A lot of people are already on that bandwagon after the match yesterday, or at least are rethinking their position. Though for Mega Man vs. Tidus it depends on your definition of "destroy".
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

I'm sure plenty of them don't think Tidus stands a chance of breaking 40%, despite beating the guy who got 45% on Mario, who's only slightly weaker than Mega Man.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

I'm predicting 57-43. No one but Ulti would call that "destroy".
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 009/009 - Matches: 09/09 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: Tidus - Tomorrow: Vercetti

Kingdom Hearts vs Soul Calibur was supposed to be obvious? :(

-Dabu

World Cyber Games 2004
Come, if you dare.

People still don't read posts. I've been saying this match was obvious from the beginning. Whether Tidus wins by 2 votes or 20000 votes, he still won. Seriously, **** the stats for a minute. Tidus would have been far more favored than he already was if X-Sts didn't exist. If you take that as arrogance on my part, then that's your own problem. I would suggest getting fresh air in such cases, because such anger management problems over the internet can lead to similar problems in real life.

Because, you know, online polls have a huge impact on your life if you lose them. And you know, I'm going to lose a match sooner or later. If you people are petty enough to actually get all happy and throw a party after this happens, all I will do is laugh even more. Seriously, getting this worked up over the goddamned internet only gives me more of a reason to pull the arrogance act. You're the ones acting like little kids who were just denied of getting their way at all times whenever you are proven wrong, not me.
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*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

I think it'll be higher, but point taken that people probably don't expect it to be under 60%.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

When did I call a 57-43 match a destruction? I don't remember the first time, but every time I've done it since has been done as an inside joke.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Kingdom Hearts vs Soul Calibur was supposed to be obvious?

Depends. You get hit often by fully charged Flare Blades in SSBM?
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 009/009 - Matches: 09/09 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: Tidus - Tomorrow: Vercetti

SSBM/MGS2, Ulti.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 009/009 - Matches: 09/09 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: Tidus - Tomorrow: Vercetti

Actually, if the rankings didn't exist, I think Shadow would have been an overwhelming favorite among those who had knowledge of the contest. For most people, it would be mind-boggling to think that the despised Tidus could get 45% on Mario like Shadow did. Even with the rankings people flat-out denied that.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

I don't think that's really the problem.

The problem of arrogance most people have with others is that they don't want to be insulted when they lose a match; I'm sure you wouldn't want to either.

When someone says that anyone who voted Shadow has "Half a brain", it doesn't make me warm and fuzzy inside or anything.

So yes, I completely agree. This should be treated as a contest, without the use of insults.
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[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

So stats aside, who did all of you vote for? I think I know the answer, but still.I voted for Shadow cause he's awesome.
Also, how have you all been doing in the contest? So far, I have picked the winner in each one, but sadly, it looks like this one will ruin it. Shadow must win!

People still don't read posts. I've been saying this match was obvious from the beginning. Whether Tidus wins by 2 votes or 20000 votes, he still won.

True this is one of those matches where the match was going to be close, but the loser really didn't have much of a chance to win anyway
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Summer 2004 Contest 9/9 Tidus vs. Shadow

I never said that the people who votes Shadow have half a brain. And you will never see me being arrogant and/or defensive without being attacked first. Use this topic as an example. Go find all of my controversial posts made before Phediuk's comments. There are none. Now when I defend myself against such asonine accusations, someone else joins in, and a loop begins. Any and all bad things you have ever heard or seen from me come from that cycle, and those who have knows me for a few years (Slowflake, smitelf, Heroic Mario, etc) could probably attest to it if they didn't mind stepping up for someone who always gets in arguments. It always happens that way. Always.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

True this is one of those matches where the match was going to be close, but the loser really didn't have much of a chance to win anyway

I love when charmander agrees with me, the random-ass stat nut that he is =)
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

i agree with Leonhart. without the Extrapolated Standings, most people who paid attention to last year's contest wouldn't have noticed that losing in the first round while being equal to the guy that was equal to the guy who got 35% on Link was roughly the same strength as the guy who lost in Round 2 to Mario with 45%. among people who paid attention to the last contest, Shadow would've been a heavy favorite.

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

"I never said that the people who votes Shadow have half a brain."

Yeah, that was Sloflake laying the smack down on your asses, not Ulti. Hell, even I wouldn't have said somehting that blunt. Way to go slow!

"Now when I defend myself against such asonine accusations, someone else joins in, and a loop begins. "

And now you know...

*shakes his head*
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 8/11/2004 1:11:43 AM | Message Detail
I never said that the people who votes Shadow have half a brain.

Wasn't you who said it, don't worry. Somewhere in this topic.

Though I must admit with the attitude of Shadow fans last night, some really deserve it.

And you will never see me being arrogant and/or defensive without being attacked first. Use this topic as an example. Go find all of my controversial posts made before Phediuk's comments. There are none. Now when I defend myself against such asonine accusations, someone else joins in, and a loop begins. Any and all bad things you have ever heard or seen from me come from that cycle, and those who have knows me for a few years (Slowflake, smitelf, Heroic Mario, etc) could probably attest to it if they didn't mind stepping up for someone who always gets in arguments. It always happens that way. Always.

Don't doubt it, I haven't seen you instigate anything before, but I can see why people could think of you as arrogant.

But then, you covered that in your last post.
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Though I must admit with the attitude of Shadow fans last night, some really deserve it.

If tidus was losing they'd probably be doing the same thing
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BtT: 4:07.55 | HRC: 47,493.0 ft OV aaaargh
Crash.

That WAS Slowflake!?

Kick ass, Slow! Keep up the good work.

Though I must admit with the attitude of Shadow fans last night, some really deserve it.

GOD YES. Change 'some' to 'most'. God ****ing forbid a Final Fantasy character who is humanized. If you were in his shoes, you would have acted the same way.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

'They' meaning Tidus fans.
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BtT: 4:07.55 | HRC: 47,493.0 ft OV aaaargh
Crash.

"You get hit often by fully charged Flare Blades in SSBM?"

Forgive me, but I do not know what this means.

I did my own research before making my bracket back in the Spring Contest using people in my dorm hallway, and when I get "Kingdom what?" against everyone recognizing the other title mentioned as a fighting game, it is difficult for me to believe that the outcome is obvious even if this site is heavily RPG biased.

-Dabu

World Cyber Games 2004
Come, if you dare.

Forgive me, but I do not know what this means.

Flare Blades take about 4 seconds to fully charge. Think about it.
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BtT: 4:07.55 | HRC: 47,493.0 ft OV aaaargh
Crash.

I love when charmander agrees with me, the random-ass stat nut that he is

>_>

Not really I'm just one of the few people in this topic where Tidus' winning was easily known from the start
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Summer 2004 Contest 9/9 Tidus vs. Shadow

Saying that Shadow fans were any worse last night than Tidus fans is ignorant. I was on the board all night and noticed plenty of stupidity and annoying posts on both sides.
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6th Place in Spread Betting

GOD YES. Change 'some' to 'most'. God ****ing forbid a Final Fantasy character who is humanized. If you were in his shoes, you would have acted the same way.

Know what you mean, but I hate Tidus mostly because of his dialogue and VA. His personality irks me as well.

If tidus was losing they'd probably be doing the same thing

I love you. Father my children. Seriously, you're entirely right. Last year the Link fans were extremely annoying while the Square fans said things like "I hope Cloud wins", but then Cloud started winning, and they got more and more annoying.
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Gamefaqs: Where EVERYONE understands sarcasm. ~caitsithfortune

Both sides were annoying last night, and this is coming from a Tidus fan. However, I did see more topics bashing Tidus than Shadow. The black hedgehog's fans were definitely more outspoken.

Tidus's fans would've been crying if Shadow was winning, too.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

Ah yes. SSBM utterly destroyed MGS2.

Tidus/Shadow thoughts

Tidus made this match look like a dud early by building a 1700 vote lead, but it's been slightly in favor of Shadow ever since. Tidus will win, but at least we almost had something exciting going here. I want to see Shadow take on someone like Aeris or Bowser. Even Squall. That would be interesting as hell.

Vercetti/Payne preview

And with this match, another long string of boredom comes.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

People are taking L. Snake vs. Frog too lightly, IMO. I think Frog will win and all, but Snake has caused some REALLY annoying upsets in just about every contest.
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Gamefaqs: Where EVERYONE understands sarcasm. ~caitsithfortune

*blinks*

Liquid Snake's never been in the contest.

Solid Snake's never pulled off an upset; in fact he gou upset by Crono in 2K2.

heck, even Metal Gear Solid barely squeaked out a win over FFT when it was the clear favorite.

Snake's never upset anything but Metal Gear fans.

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

I think Frog will win and all, but Snake has caused some REALLY annoying upsets in just about every contest.


Yeah. . . .by LOSING!
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"Groovy"--Earthworm Jim

I seem to remember something about MGS pissing me off to no end in every contest. Let me check the stats.
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Gamefaqs: Where EVERYONE understands sarcasm. ~caitsithfortune

Maybe, but I think Frog is being considerably overestimated. If he wins, I don't think it will be a slaughter.

Or maybe it will and it's just another one of those obvious matches; I seem to be really bad at calling them.

-Dabu

World Cyber Games 2004
Come, if you dare.

Oh right, I remember. It was more personal reasons than anything, but Snake beating Squall one year and Raiden another annoyed me.

Not to mention FFT Vs. MGS. ANYONE who was there that night suspects something was up.
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Gamefaqs: Where EVERYONE understands sarcasm. ~caitsithfortune

I was there and I don't really suspect anything.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Also, MGS fanboys piss me off to no end in just about every contest as well. Holy crap. O N E, for example. So annoying, and I love it every time Snake happens to kick the bucket each contest, because they instantly disappear back to their boards.

They've even made me like MGS less. Shudder. Same thing happened for FF7...
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Gamefaqs: Where EVERYONE understands sarcasm. ~caitsithfortune

Not to mention FFT Vs. MGS. ANYONE who was there that night suspects something was up.

What do you mean I knew this match would've been close (but not that close) so I was kind of expecting that.
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Summer 2004 Contest 9/9 Tidus vs. Shadow

From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 8/11/2004 1:38:46 AM | Message Detail
I was there and I don't really suspect anything.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

40 votes for MGS out in 1 second =/= suspicious?
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Gamefaqs: Where EVERYONE understands sarcasm. ~caitsithfortune

Match IX: (1) Mega Man vs. (16) Earthworm Jim

Mega Man beat Earthworm Jim, 82.98% - 17.02%

Well this is finally the end of the 9 boring matches and it ended in a blowout. All that happened was Earthworm Jim still has some popularity left, but even then his last game was a long time ago. If this poll was taken a long time ago I think that this match would’ve been closer. Mega Man still shows his powers in these contests and shows no signs of getting weaker and it still shows him as the favorite in this division.

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Summer 2004 Contest 9/9 Tidus vs. Shadow

Match XI: (5) Tommy Vercetti vs. (12) Max Preview

Past Performances:

Tommy Vercetti: 2002

Did not attend
Ranked: N/A

Tommy Vercetti: 2003

Defeated Kite, 65.24% - 34.76%
Defeated Donkey Kong, 50.48% - 49.52%
Lost to Mega Man, 33.13% - 66.86%
Ranked: 27th

Max: 2002

Defeated Dirk the Daring, 76.17% - 23.83%
Lost to Scorpion, 34.63% - 65.37%
Ranked: 35th

Max: 2003

Defeated Gordon, 53.99% - 46.01%
Lost to Sephiroth, 17.33% - 82.67%
Ranked: 51st

Analysis:

Tommy Vercetti was thought to destroy Kite and Donkey Kong and even give Mega Man a run for his money. But like many other characters he too was overestimated. He couldn’t even double Kite and Donkey Kong almost beat him in round 2 and then Mega Man doubled Tommy Vercetti in round 3. Even though Tommy Vercetti is weaker then we thought he was he is still a mid tier character and is ranked above Luigi. This year like last he’s up against a weak character will he prove that last year he was caught off-guard or will he underperform more then we expected for the second year in a row?

Max has made it to the second round in the past two years though Dirk the Daring and Gordon are weak characters themselves. Max is probably the weakest character that’s won one match in both 2002 and 2003. Unlike the past years Max is up against tough competition and will probably lose horribly in the first round. Now the question is how can such a weak character being ranked so low made it to all three contest yet he’s not a 15 or 16 seed. Max may not be the weakest in this contest, but he’s probably one of the weakest characters that have made it to all three character contest.

Well after an exciting Tidus vs. Shadow match we’re back to some boring matches. Let’s hope we won’t have such a long dry spell of boring matches like last time. Well I guess I should start with the preview.

Unlike last year Tommy Vercetti won’t be underestimated again. Even though he should easily win this match he will have a lot of problems trying to get his second Sweet 16 appearance. Tommy Vercetti has what’s known as the Gordon Freeman Syndrome. The Gordon Freeman Syndrome is that you’re from a very popular game, but no one really knows the main character’s name, so that’s why their games perform so well, but the characters themselves perform very badly.

Max has been to all three contests and the last two he’s been he won his first round match before getting killed in round 2 can he do it for the third straight year? Nope. Every year weaker and weaker characters are weeded out of the competition making characters like Max ever having a chance to win a match again. I’m still surprised that Max is still in this contest too. Max has had two games under his belt and every year they are getting older and older and Max will soon start to get less and less popular and his game won’t take affect until the end of 2005. Well I guess you can make the best of it.

Well this looks like to be the battle of the Rock Star characters, but sadly it will be a boring one and Vercetti easily has this match won. His bad performance against Kite and Donkey Kong were bad, but anyone who’s anyone can tell that Donkey Kong is much more popular then Max. This should be easy so it’s time to get a pillow because it’s going to be another snore fest for a few more matches.

Charmander’s Bracket: Tommy Vercetti

Charmander’s Prediction: Tommy Vercetti wins, 68.45% - 31.55%

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Summer 2004 Contest 9/9 Tidus vs. Shadow

"40 votes for MGS out in 1 second =/= suspicious?"

No, what Starcraft did against SSBM was suspicious... what happened to MGS could have been a vote reporting glitch or a coordinated effort to swin the vote in one quick shot. If anyone was going to mass cheat that then they could have made for a safer lead, and they could have done it without looking suspicious.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

It's amazing that there was no vote recount for that match.

Then again, there IS Crono Vs. Mario, widely believed to be rigged anyway, so there's almost no surprise about FFT VS. MGS.
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Gamefaqs: Where EVERYONE understands sarcasm. ~caitsithfortune

I did fairly well in the Spring Contest (26th...missed Starcraft's run, LttP vs FF3, and MGS vs FFT) and I only really questioned four matches in the contest.

In Hyrule, the only match that is tough is Mario/Crono. I choses Crono, only because I will be overjoyed if Mario wins, and my bracket survives if he does not. Link will own winner anyway.

In 20XX, it is all easy. MM wins for sure, no tough matches, IMO.

In Midgar, only one real problem: Cloud vs Sephy. I'm confident in Vyse over Laharl, but C/S is hard to call. I ended up going with Sephiroth on my gut....I hope I am right.

In Chaos, the only really tough match to call is pointless: Sam Fisher vs G. Freeman. I chose Fisher but it could go either way. Samus wins easily.

Final four is Link vs Mega Man (100%) and Sephiroth vs Samus (Could be Cloud here, and probably will be, but I took a chance.) Link and Cloud/Sephiroth will win without much trouble here.

Which leaves the last hard match to call: Link vs the FF7 rep. I went with Link, my gut says FF7 will not win this, but WILL win the next one. I know this site like the back of my hand, and these are my best guesses, and I am confident in every choice I made (Except for Seph over Cloud, but I had to take a chance)
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If you are reading this and you hate Nintnedo, yo momma is fat and ugly.

Back to 1700 for Teeeedus.
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His grace, Sir YokeI, duke of USL.

You know what screwed up the Spring Contest for me?

Fire Emblem.

All because I picked the better game to win. Doh. Otherwise I would have easily been in the top 8 or 16.
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Gamefaqs: Where EVERYONE understands sarcasm. ~caitsithfortune

You know what screwed me up in the games

This Board

Yup I actually changed my bracket I think 3 times because I fell into board hype and I lost in all of them and If I got them right I would've been in the top 50. So in this contest I made my bracket before coming to this board to see what everyone else picked I never changed it and I'm still confident in all of my picks
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Summer 2004 Contest 9/9 Tidus vs. Shadow

The only question left in this match is whether it will get 95,000 votes before it passes into the Overhyped Match HoF.
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Theifenburg Uncertainty Principle - Without any witnesses, who's to say what happened?
Proud warrior of THE LUCA BLIGHT ARMY

well, I'm too exhausted to stay up for it, being sick and all, but I can't wait to see the updated stats tomorrow.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

95k is possible. And it'd be encouraging to see.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

I'd be very happy with 95K. It would at least give me a bit of hope that the huge matches that could take place later on, such as Link vs. Cloud match, would be able to get into the 115,000 range.

I've never been around for a match that got more than 99,000 votes =(. I only saw about 4 hours of Halo vs. Starcraft, so that didn't really count.
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WTF is OoS? Ocarina of Sex? ~ Stop Fundamentalists

too bad you weren't here last summer : (

you would have had to try to avoid a 100000 match.
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Go vote in today's survivor please!!!
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=15617184

Charmander, tell me about it. My sweet sixteen match, I beileve, was Starcraft vs Wind Waker with Waker winning.

Then I read this board, so my opinion was stupid and changed it.

Too bad I didn't change Half-Life over Metroid Prime. Wrong PC game I guess.

I had SSBM going to the semi-finals, but I made it lose in round 3.
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Summer 2004 Contest 9/9 Tidus vs. Shadow

This match might break 95k
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Summer 2004 Contest 9/9 Tidus vs. Shadow

FastFalcon: Technically, I've been visiting the site off and on for about 4 years... I just didn't come here that often then and I don't think I was even aware that they were having another contest =(. And in 2002, I never noticed that there was a contest board >_>. I feel like I missed out on a lot =(.
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WTF is OoS? Ocarina of Sex? ~ Stop Fundamentalists

I am just praying that Liquid or Kefka puts up a fight, so we wont have THIS LONG OF A BORING STREAK. Seriously I can't see another match that is in ANY sort of question until... DK vs Vivi??? Maybe Ness vs Jak. Probably not until the only interesting group of 4 (Sora vs HK-47; Ryo vs Jill; where I seriously believe anyone could win.)

Vyse vs. Laharl will be interesting
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Summer 2004 Contest 9/9 Tidus vs. Shadow

95,000 votes for this poll.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

No it wont. You are kidding yourself if you think so.

Skies of Arcadia is cult, but Disgaea is like the cult of all cults. I be surprised if Vyse got under 55.

No I think this will be like Pac-Man vs. Kefka

Winner thought to have an easy match, but instead has a close match
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Summer 2004 Contest 10/10 Vercetti vs. Max

Score-Brackets-% Right
9----10942----70.4807165
8----12613----71.2360263
7----6907-----70.1751846
6----1966-----65.5137335
5----481------62.3700624
4----118------60.1694915
3----23-------52.173913
2----14-------7.1428571
1----42-------30.952381
0----115------39.1304348

For the first time, the perfects did not do best. Also the 1's did "better" than the 0s.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

An astounding 70.09% had this match correct. That's even more than Luigi vs. Pac-Man and Ganondorf vs. Alucard. Sometimes the casual bracketeers can make the board look stupid. Shadow was actually a slight favorite here.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

25 people fell off the top 50. They are Wedge Antilles, Alanna82, jmgrimm, Paratroopa1, andrew2004, FinalFantasy Fanatic, FMJ Drill Sgt, ElementBunny, Captain Obviousx1, PsychoSwordsman, Eternal Sunshine, DpObliVion, Rotting Corpse, Rotted one, jelly soup, hipery, TetsuoShima, PdW2kX, super brolly, GoldSlime35, manny80, gamemaster390, Cloud is DA Bomb, Illerdrin and Marthfish.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

That's because Board voters occasionally buy in to the extrapolated rankings and character hate, instead of looking at the obvious. Tidus is a swordweilding main character from a popular FF game. The average casual bracketmaker doesn't take two seconds to decide this match.
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Theifenburg Uncertainty Principle - Without any witnesses, who's to say what happened?
Proud warrior of THE LUCA BLIGHT ARMY

Didn't everyone yell at me earlier for saying this match was obvious? Are you still going to argue with me, despite 70% of people thinking Tidus would win?

And look at this topic title, plz:

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=15639421
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Heh, thanks RamzaB:

That's because Board voters occasionally buy in to the extrapolated rankings and character hate, instead of looking at the obvious.

I don't usually say this, but...

PWNED.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

And this is exactly what I said would happen. There would be all this hype, it would not be close, and 70% of the vote would be toward Teedus.

And, in moves that could win me the tournament/come back to bite me in the ass, I have Crash over Chief, and Kefka over Knuckles. I'm relying on X-Box hate and a non-lettuce picture for Kefka.

ah, ok mumei, last year's vote totals were so nice, also, since Tidus vs Shadow was relatively easy for casuals, maybe vercetti/zero and stuff like that won't be?
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Go vote in today's survivor please!!!
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=15617184

There's a good chance we'll lose a greater % of perfect brackets over this match than Tidus/Shadow. The winner may be obvious to us, but to most others, it's a guy from one game (that isn't a Square RPG) vs. a guy with two games named after him. I sense a possible bracket buster.

...or maybe I'm just talking outta my ass. Who knows...
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My name is Reggie. I'm about kicking ass; I'm about taking names, and we're making games.

Heh, thanks RamzaB:

That's because Board voters occasionally buy in to the extrapolated rankings and character hate, instead of looking at the obvious.

I don't usually say this, but...

PWNED.

You and I will find out in ten days who ignored the obvious in Ness vs. Jak. :P
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Theifenburg Uncertainty Principle - Without any witnesses, who's to say what happened?
Proud warrior of THE LUCA BLIGHT ARMY

You picked Jak, I assume?

Now that would be a match where I wouldn't go out and say anything was obvious. Both of those characters absolutely suck in these contests, and the winner just sucks less.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

That, I think everyone can agree to.
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My name is Reggie. I'm about kicking ass; I'm about taking names, and we're making games.

That pwning wasn't meant for you, by the way. I was (deservingly) laughing at the people yelling at me earlier today for saying Tidus/Shadow was obvious.

And now that they've been proven wrong, all you hear is the sweet disorder between the sacred silence. </System of a Down>
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Between the sacred silence and sleep, no less.

*thoughtfully rubs chin*
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My name is Reggie. I'm about kicking ass; I'm about taking names, and we're making games.

Ahem, Deity Link or KH Cloud?

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Summer 2004 Contest - Score: 9/10
= Tommy Vercetti vs. Max Payne =

You picked Jak, I assume?

Now that would be a match where I wouldn't go out and say anything was obvious. Both of those characters absolutely suck in these contests, and the winner just sucks less.

Indeed. Worse than that, in the eyes of pretty much everyone, I picked Jak over Auron. The reasons I did so concern my suspicion that Jak is much, much stronger than the board thinks he is, as well as Ratchet being stronger than he looked in 2003. That required me to think that there was Same Fan Factor involved in Samus Vs. Link and Ness Vs. Bowser, (an SSBM effect, if you will) thus the reason I have Luigi beating Yoshi in the second round as well. I have taken a rather large gamble with that pick, but I'm fairly confident Jak can beat Ness. The real question for me is by how much. We'll find out in the first hour of the poll whether I'm right or not.
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Theifenburg Uncertainty Principle - Without any witnesses, who's to say what happened?
Proud warrior of THE LUCA BLIGHT ARMY

There's silence because most sane people are sleeping at this time. :(

-Dabu

World Cyber Games 2004
Come, if you dare.

By the way, saying that I question how obvious the outcome of a match is doesn't mean I missed the match! I just don't see the point of the "we told you so" posts from those of us who were correct, which in this case was picking Tidus, when I don't believe the outcome of the match was certain, unless you honestly believe that 51-49 is not a close match.

-Dabu

World Cyber Games 2004
Come, if you dare.

I keep up my belief that Ness will be doubled against Jak. In fact, I'll eat my hat if Ness gets 45%.

For Jak to double up Ness, he'd need to be almost as strong as Yuna. Good luck on that.

Funny how I got accolades from Ulti and Chichiri for being too rude. That's just not me, I guess I got pumped because of the match and my least favorite character losing. But let's face it, Shadow was never the logical favorite. Ever. EVER. Sure, it's a nice upset pick, but had he won it would have been nothing more than a small upset. Not the favorite having his way or anything. So for all the ones who thought Shadow had this in the bag, YOU GOT SERVED'D. That is all.

Oh, and dear God. The guy with GF winning is still perfect. Oh the hilarity. It would be awesome if he took the lead.

70% picked Tidus. Just like I thought. The "front page" bracketmakers, as Kawaiifan likes to call them, seem to give Tidus his due. He was favored over Ganondorf last year, yet we were all WTF when he made the match close.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 009/009 - Matches: 09/09 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: Tidus - Tomorrow: Vercetti

I'm wondering if bracket voters could have decided the Tidus/Shadow match...

Votes for Tidus: 48334
Votes for Shadow: 46788
Difference: 1546

Brackets picking Tidus (rounded): 23275
Brackets picking Shadow (rounded): 9946

Let's assume everyone who made a bracket also voted. Let's also assume everyone that had Shadow in their bracket also voted Shadow, just because that's who they had in their bracket.

That would mean that 11492 (1546 + 9946) of the people picking Tidus in their bracket would have to have 'bracket voted' in order for bracket voters to have decided the match (meaning; it would have been a tie if no one had 'bracket voted', neither for Tidus, nor for Shadow).

That's about 49.37% of the brackets picking Tidus in their bracket.

(Keep in mind that this is assuming that everyone who picked Shadow, also 'bracket voted')

I don't think that many people 'bracket voted', especially since this match wasn't that close, but it's still possible. What does everyone else think?
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I chose the road less traveled -- now where the heck am I?
A Picture Is Worth 1,000 Words, But It Uses Up a Thousand Times the Memory

Yes I picked Shadow...ya have to take risks once in a while where it is warranted, its the only way in the end the elites like myself are seperated from the wannabes.

So if I lose 1 out of 32, as projected, I will be fine. This was the only match that had me even remotely concerned.

Now to write some satires...the bitterness has subsided, so I shall let the Tidus kiddies have their day in the sun now.
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Steve Illumina: The Official Satirical Commentator of GameFAQ's Contests
Pub Trivian Forever...SC2K4: 9/10 (Fanboys...)

Loved my many...hated by few...respected by all...its...

Steve Illumina Speaks

Right you are, my fans and friends! The witty humor returns for another round of contest madness. Fanboys and diehards alike can come to appreciate the mocking of their beloved characters, their contest, their likes, their dislikes, and the gaming subculture we are all a part of, not to mention sweet Board 8, as the latest fad has come to know it to be called.

And so it begins, with the third matchup of the first round in the "What Year is It?" Division...

Tommy Vercetti vs Max Payne
Steve's Pick: Tommy
Bracket Pick: Tommy
Newbie Pick: Tommy Boy
Fanboy's Choice: Tommy Hilfiger
My Oracle Pick: 59.90 for Tommy
My Prophet Pick: 28282 for Tommy
Upset Potential: Not a chance in hell.

Comments: The poster boy for gaming violence and anti-Haitian sentiment takes on a stale guy with a gun and a name that sounds tough.

Well now that the Man, (me if u dont know) has lost a match by a narrow margin...the fanboys of one group too tough for the fanboys of another group to overcome, my expert calculations have realized that if the seeds were switched, Shadow would have won by the same margin Tidus did. So that settles that.

Moving right along, we got two characters I really dont care a lick about. Tommy Hilfiger model wannabe Vercetti, the biggest flop of 2003, back with a more appropriate seeding against a snoozefest character, Max. Why do peeps even nominate these shallow shooters?

They must have their hands in their beer and their minds on the trigger...or something. I dunno. And ya know what? I dont really care. This match is lame. And most will agree. So I aint sayin another word...boring! Oops! I said another word after all...sigh.

Results: The Boredom Train has left the station, and the first stop is this slugfest, with Tommy takin' out Maxi Pad by a comfy 60% or so.

Quotes: Tommy: "Yo, I aint racist...some peeps think I am though...blame Rockstar, not the playa!" Max: "For all that is holy, I shall win again this year...or maybe not. Gordon! Where are you!?"
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Steve Illumina: The Official Satirical Commentator of GameFAQ's Contests
Pub Trivian Forever...SC2K4: 9/10 (Fanboys...)

oh, definitely. bracket-voters decided this match. it's still early and there are a lot of people still perfect. hardly anyone has given up on their brackets yet and a lot of people are willing to vote by their bracket if they have a chance at winning.

here, look at the number of perfect brackets: 7712 had Tidus and only 3220 had Shadow. if a mere 800 people would've changed their minds to Shadow and voted with their bracket to maintain their perfect bracket, Shadow would've won, despite still being a significant underdog. and that's a very small number, proportionately.

in fact, Tidus having so many brackets in his favor and coming so close to defeat makes this match even LESS OBVIOUS. Shadow was a massive underdog and still came very close to winning. any small factor could've swung Shadow's way. for all we know, the casual vote could've helped Shadow a bit more if the poll was on a weekend (unlikely but possible). and with the high vote totals, there was most likely vote stuffing and definitely extra rallying for both sides. but we don't know how much of that went Tidus's way. Shadow might have gotten more vote stuffers or Tidus might have, but on a different day someone may not have been able to help his character as much. someone who rallied for support for Tidus on other sites or even off-line may not have been as successful another day (same thing goes for Shadow).

so if any of those small factorswent Shadow's way and he pulled a narrow victory, with the same percentage, would the outcome be equally as obvious? no, because that match really could've gone either way. good job to all who guessed Tidus correctly, though. i went with Shadow (even though i think i dislike Shadow more) and i feel no shame in losing a match that close to a huge favorite. although if by some miracle, i happen to lose the contest by a single point, then i will be feeling plenty of shame and anger.

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

Loved my many...hated by few...respected by all...its...

Steve Illumina Speaks

Right you are, my fans and friends! The witty humor returns for another round of contest madness. Fanboys and diehards alike can come to appreciate the mocking of their beloved characters, their contest, their likes, their dislikes, and the gaming subculture we are all a part of, not to mention sweet Board 8, as the latest fad has come to know it to be called.

And so it begins, with the fourth matchup of the first round in the "What Year is It?" Division...

Zero vs Protoman
Steve's Pick: Zero
Bracket Pick: Zero
Newbie Pick: Zero
Fanboy's Choice: Servbot (haha)
My Oracle Pick: 62.10 for Zero
My Prophet Pick: 27111 for Zero
Upset Potential: Input Command: N

Comments: The Red Robot takes on ummm another Red Robot! Geesh could we be any more ridiculously predetermined here???

Right up there with Mortal Kombat on my list is the Mega Man series. Love them. The MM Anniversary set was a dream come true, and I do hope the MMX series gets the same treatment soon. (Note: Email to Capcom)

So do I see or feel joy and perverse pleasure at seeing Zero take out Protoman? Nope. It is a mismatch, a mockery of the classic MM series, the true gems of the franchise. Sure I like MMX and Bass and all the spinoffs, but give me a Mega Man IX anyday!

Give me a Bubble Man! Quick Man! Gemini Man! Snake Man! Guts Man! Cloud Man! Junk Man! Wave Man! Aqua Man! Wood Man! Metal Man! Centaur Man! Oh my!

Actually..give me a Mountain Dew. I am thirsty...wore myself out with all that reminiscing! I like these two, but it is still a boring match...one out of many... :(

Proto will keep it close due to the newly minted voting trend known as Cult Bandwagon Fanboyism (CBF). That means that a new character to the contest draws lots of votes seemingly out of nowhere that they really should not be getting. So why are they getting them? Cult voters hype it, which attracts bandwagoners and thus that attracts fanboys of related series/games/genres. Hence, the CBF factor! Proto definitely will be showing this factor tomorrow. its as certain as Frog in the Sweet 16. :)

Fight Zero..for everlasting peace! Oops...wrong robot...damn u Tidus! *rants*

Results: The Boredom Train rolls on through Sigmaville, and Zero takes out an underused Mega Sidekick, low 60's due to cult bandwagon fanboyism (CBF)

Quotes: Zero: "I was once a Maverick...then a sidekick...now...a bonafide robotic star! Gato who?" Protoman: (whistling) "I AM PROTOMAN: ROBO28 COPY ACKNOWLEDGE! MUST TERMINATE ZERO! MUST! MUST!"
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Steve Illumina: The Official Satirical Commentator of GameFAQ's Contests
Pub Trivian Forever...SC2K4: 10/11 (La la la la)

Nice post cyko :) You agreed with me!
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Steve Illumina: The Official Satirical Commentator of GameFAQ's Contests
Pub Trivian Forever...SC2K4: 10/11 (Fanboys...)

Ummmm.... seeds don't matter. The seeds aren't even shown in the match pic. Tidus's fans will pick him whether he was a 5 seed or a 10 seed. Same with Shadow. Aeris, Ganondorf, and to a MAJOR extent Starcraft already proved this. It may SLIGHTLY matter in a match such as Vyse vs. Laharl where both characters are unknown but still, only SLIGHTLY.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Match #10 Review:

Ignore Ulti. This match was quite unpredictable (just look at the BoP standings, for God's sake.) Most people thought it would be close; it was. The two characters are practically equal.

Match #12 Preview:

Eh. Just another boring match.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

um... how exactly was a 51-49 match obvious? It wasn't. 70% actually had Re-jecht? Wow. It still wasnt obvious.
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User that knows me best: The King in Teal
Married SemiFinal vs Belarus on 6/1/04

Alanna.. don't be bitter because you fell off the leaderboard.
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Link, Alucard, Magus, Crono, Mario, Knuckles, Kefka, Cloud, Sonic...
And Frog.

Shadow vs Tidus is a good example of how extrapolated statistics can be used poorly.
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Let's just say that it was obvious for the 70% that went with Tidus and leave it at that. People are making a bigger deal out of this than it really is.... If you don't like the word "obvious", replace it with "overly confident", "fairly certain", or any other phrase as you please.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

That's because Board voters occasionally buy in to the extrapolated rankings and character hate, instead of LOOKING AT THE OBVIOUS.

Agree'd

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"I just wanna protect the people I'm with. Doesn't matter whether I can or not. It's what I believe in."
-Zidane (Final Fantasy IX)

Hey, now, at least call him by his proper name, Alanna. He deserves our respect now. *snicker*

But seriously, I can see you don't like Tidus at all, but like I've said before, Tidus is the main character in a Square FF RPG, the first one on PS2 I might add, on an RPG-weighted website. Tidus was not going to lose this one, ever; too many bought into the Tidus hate and the "OMG SHADOW GOT 45% AGAINST MARIO HE'S TEH OWNAGE!" argument. But both were overrated, and apparently a very good deal of the casual bracketmakers saw through to the obvious solution. And when 70% of people who are perfect so far get this match right, one can't help but admit that Tidus is stronger than most people wantr to believe.
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"Spira is full of death...only SIN is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly."- Auron

20XX Division: Round 1 - Match 12 – (4)Zero vs. (13)Protoman

Moltar’s Analysis

Zero
Game/Series Known From: Mega Man X Series
Extrapolated Rank in 2002: N/A
Extrapolated Rank in 2003: 27th
Seed in 2002: N/A
Seed in 2003: 7
Lost in Round 2 to Sonic in 2003.

Zero is back and with a much better seed. Now he has the chance to do some serious damage in the Contest.

Protoman
Game/Series Known From: Mega Man Series
Extrapolated Rank in 2002: N/A
Extrapolated Rank in 2003: N/A
Seed in 2002: N/A
Seed in 2003: N/A

Another newcomer. Protoman might have had potential if he didn’t get a horrible seed.

This match just screams SFF. Mega Man fans might have a tough time realizing the fact that only 1 can make it through to the next round. Who do I think will take it? Zero. Why? He showed his strength last year when taking on Sonic. Zero has potential.

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Zero will win.

Moltar’s Prediction is: Zero 61% - Protoman 39%



Ulti’s Analysis

Didn't we just get done with an SFF match? And once again, the lower seed has no chance.

Ulti’s Bracket/Prediction - Zero/Zero with 65.99%



Cena’s Analysis

Can anybody tell me how Proto Man actually made this contest? He was a favourite only on the board, winning many hearts along the way...but still, he made it into the top 100 vote-getters? Either way, Zero’s going to mop the floor with Proto, and it’s going to be laughable.

Cena’s Vote: Zero

Cena’s Prediction: Zero with 75% (Proto Man will get owned)
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Ganon vs. Alucard - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Tidus vs. Shadow - Bracket: Shadow - Vote: Shadow (9/9)

wow.. Cenaboulder is pretty bold on this one.. 75-25 Zero? .. Maybe it could happen due to SFF.. but i think i am going to agree with Ulti more on this prediction.. I say around 67-33 Zero..

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"I just wanna protect the people I'm with. Doesn't matter whether I can or not. It's what I believe in."
-Zidane (Final Fantasy IX)

I said it once and I'll say it again. Sure most of myself knew Tidus would probably take it, but I really wanted Shadow to win, since I like him alot. Putting him ahead in my bracket was a mistake, but I don't regret it.

Anyway, Shadow impressed the hell out of me yesterday. I didn't think he would get 49% on Tidus. But that only proved to me that Shadow is about as strong as his performance against Mario told us. I just can't wait until next year, when Shadow gets a better seed and makes his first Sweet 16 appearance!
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Ganon vs. Alucard - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Tidus vs. Shadow - Bracket: Shadow - Vote: Shadow (9/9)

Shadow has proved nothing more to me than he did before. Sure, he put up quite the valiant effort, and kept it close all the way till the end. Hopefully his overperformance against Mario will go noted next time people want him to upset someone.
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SC2k4 Winner: Sephiroth
Status: 11/11 Next Pick: Zero

That's because Board voters occasionally buy in to the extrapolated rankings and character hate, instead of looking at the obvious.

Yep, Tidus is Square, Shadow is Sega..it's that simple. Tidus = Shadow, so Tidus wins.

So sad that a lot of people lost a point and their perfects because they couldn't realize that..oh well, at least I'm not one of them. :-)

Anyways, that match is over with, let's move on to the next one..

Next: Kefka or Knuckles. Who shall win and why?! I say Knuckles because he beat a good FF character before (Yuna), so I have faith he could do it again.

What does the BOP say for that match, btw?
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I wonder why people are so uptight over Knuckles/Kefka...Kefka is borderline fodder, no?

The BOP is 100 v 19 in Knuckles favour.

God knows what those 19 were thinking.

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SC2K4: 10/10
Todays Pick: Tommy Vercetti

Now, Knuckles vs. Kefka is obvious. I can't believe anyone is having trouble with this one.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
This year is Sephiroth's year! Contest Score: 10/10, Next Winner: Tommy Vercetti

Knuckles beat Yuna, I'm sure he would beat kefka (thought the same thing about Shadow and Re-Jecht, and had to eat her words, hoping the same thing wont happen again)
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User that knows me best: The King in Teal
Married SemiFinal vs Belarus on 6/1/04

Don't worry Alanna, Knuckles is going to destroy Kefka.
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SC2k4 Winner: Sephiroth
Status: 11/11 Next Pick: Zero

Vercetti's severely underperforming today. More than 4 points under the X-Sts' projection. Is VC dying down? Would he lose to DK this year?
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 010/010 - Matches: 10/10 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: Vercetti - Tomorrow: Zero

OK, Why exactly is Kefka so unpopular?. I don't know if anyone compared which character was furthest away from his games performance is the Spring Contest but Kefka must be close to that title. Final Fantasy 6 was 6th (I think)in the extrapolated rankings yet that massive popularity is not even enough to turn him into a mid carder.
I know that game popularity =/= character popularity but the difference in this case is absolutely massive.
I haven't played FF6, is Kefka really irritating in the game that would cause a lot of FF6 fans to hate him?

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SC2K4: 10/10
Todays Pick: Tommy Vercetti

he got 45%, making him a strong character

No, I still don't think that "made" him a strong character. All it made him was a character perceived as higher than he actually was. I'm not saying Shadow isn't a strong character at all, he still is.

here, look at the number of perfect brackets: 7712 had Tidus and only 3220 had Shadow. if a mere 800 people would've changed their minds to Shadow and voted with their bracket to maintain their perfect bracket, Shadow would've won, despite still being a significant underdog. and that's a very small number, proportionately.

Good theory but, this theory can apply to almost every match. Look at the Ness vs Jak coming up. My gut told me to put Jak, but in the end I have Ness winning. I'm sure most of the bracketeers have Jak winning. So when Jak wins, can I say the same thing in the above quote? Nah.
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Happiness is like peeing on yourself. Everyone can see it, but only you feel it's warmth.

70 percent getting that match right does by no means mean that it was obvious. The average bracket maker doesnt seem to know what they are doing, a fact we've seen time and time again.
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2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

I haven't played FF6, is Kefka really irritating in the game that would cause a lot of FF6 fans to hate him?

FF6 fans that I know unanimously believe Kefka to be the greatest villain ever.
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Link, Alucard, Magus, Crono, Mario, Knuckles, Kefka, Cloud, Sonic...
And Frog.

Vercetti's severely underperforming today. More than 4 points under the X-Sts' projection. Is VC dying down? Would he lose to DK this year?

SFF? *shudders* I feel dirty just saying that, I suppose it is possible though.

Seriously I think VC could be dying down a little. Vice City was massive on this site last year, but Tommy is a real one hit wonder. Not just because it's only one game but because he is likely to be very popular at first then declining. I suspect his fanbase are pretty fickle. Many people who were coming here last year looking for Vice City cheats probably don't visit anymore, at least until San Andreas comes out.

Plus Max Payne 2 came out after the last contest which should give Max a little boost.
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SC2K4: 10/10
Todays Pick: Tommy Vercetti

FF6 fans that I know unanimously believe Kefka to be the greatest villain ever.

Exactly. That's what I keep hearing, I just can't understand why he does so badly.

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SC2K4: 10/10
Todays Pick: Tommy Vercetti

It's possible that FF6's strength comes from its name, and that most people who voted for it never played it so that have no clue who Kefka is. *shrug*
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Link, Alucard, Magus, Crono, Mario, Knuckles, Kefka, Cloud, Sonic...
And Frog.

Shadow vs Tidus is a good example of how extrapolated statistics can be used poorly.

Shadow vs Tidus is a good example of how accurate extrapolated statistics can be. If I'm not mistaken, Shadow was supposed to win with 50.04% of the votes...that didn't happen, obviously, but the final percentages still showed that it was a very close match. To me, that shows how accurate they are. You can't rely on that ranking system to the exact hundredth of a percent, but it's generally a good estimate.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

I agree that the extrapolated rankings are a good source of info. It showed that yesterday's match would be close, and it was. I don't think it's that useful in deciding the winner of a match when two characters are that close in the rankings, though.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
This year is Sephiroth's year! Contest Score: 10/10, Next Winner: Tommy Vercetti

cyko:
from the day the bracket was posted, this match was completely undecided. this was supposed to be one of the closest matches of this contest. and it looks like it will live up to the expectation. Shadow and Tidus were expected to be equals and anytime a match is this close (51/49), the characters might as well be equal.

Exactly cyko. Tidus vs. Shadow was never a clear-cut result. Tidus deserved to be a slight favorite, but Shadow could obviously have won.

Saying this match was "obvious" shows a lack of understanding of the term. If Shadow had won, a lot of people would've found that "obvious" as well, but clearly the match wasn't truly obvious.


Slowflake:
Oh, and talk about Tidus not getting proper respect. All I hear is how Megaman is going to destroy him. When he fails to do so, everyone will jump on the "Snake will beat Megaman" bandwagon. I can see it happening.

You mean Frog... :o)

I understand though. You had a Freudian slip there just because your blind Mega Man fanboyism is blinding you from thinking clearly.


Leonhart4:
Actually, if the rankings didn't exist, I think Shadow would have been an overwhelming favorite among those who had knowledge of the contest. For most people, it would be mind-boggling to think that the despised Tidus could get 45% on Mario like Shadow did. Even with the rankings people flat-out denied that.

Yup, definitely. If it hadn't been for the rankings, Tidus would have still been a huge favorite on the general brackets, but gotten NO RESPECT WHATSOEVER on the boards.

The people around here take it for granted that they "know" Tidus was underrated by most board members, but I do not recall one single person standing up and giving Tidus any respect before I started touting him as a legit contender prior to SC2K3. And even then my stance was pretty much ignored until *after* the contest, when this "Tidus is underrated" bandwagon began.


RamzaB:
That's because Board voters occasionally buy in to the extrapolated rankings and character hate, instead of looking at the obvious.

Dude, without the extrapolateds, Tidus would've been even more underrated by the board. Now THAT is "obvious".


Ulti:
Didn't everyone yell at me earlier for saying this match was obvious? Are you still going to argue with me, despite 70% of people thinking Tidus would win?

HUH? WTF kinda logic is this?

Halo vs. Starcraft was even more obvious then.

The general brack makers obviously had LESS of an idea on this match than the board members!!! Board members thought it was close, and it was. The general bracket makers clearly overrated Tidus' chances. 70% is far higher than it should have been.


Slowflake:
was favored over Ganondorf last year, yet we were all WTF when he made the match close.

People wouldn't have been if they had listened to me ;) That went exactly as I told people it would. I flat out said that people would underrate Ganon after he didn't beat Tidus by much (if he beat him at all), and did anybody listen? Of course not. <sigh> Damn young'uns.
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Supporter of Frog
SC2K4.com/Frog

Oh, and why the **** did I pick Tommy to win with 66% in the Oracle Challenge. I *HATE* Tommy. I would've known he would underperform if I had thought about this match for more than 2 seconds.
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Supporter of Frog
SC2K4.com/Frog

since 70% of the brackets had Tidus....does anyone think bracket voting is the reason Tidus won?
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Extrapolated rankings can be misused if you think they are always right. You always have to account for a margin of error, and for characters that are within 1-2% of each other, the higher ranked character isn't always going to win.

As far as Tidus-Shadow being "obvious" is concerned, I said it several times leading up to the match: I'll take the main character of the PS2 Final Fantasy over a character in a declining series on this site. In a match between two practically equal characters, you have to give the edge to Final Fantasy.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

The general brack makers obviously had LESS of an idea on this match than the board members!!! Board members thought it was close, and it was. The general bracket makers clearly overrated Tidus' chances. 70% is far higher than it should have been.

So, what you're saying is that the general bracket makers were wrong to pick Tidus, even though he won? Listen to yourself, man. You're not making sense here. Ever consider that maybe you underestimated Tidus, as opposed to the general public overestimating him? 70% of all bracket makers expected Tidus to win but less than half the BOP made that same call. Seeing as Tidus won, this demonstrates that the general public did better than the board members because the board overanalyzed the match, while most bracket makers took one look at the match and said "Oh, look, some hedgehog guy versus Tidus, the main character of FFX. That series is pretty popular around here, so I'll go with Tidus," which is exactly what the match boiled down to.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
This year is Sephiroth's year! Contest Score: 10/10, Next Winner: Tommy Vercetti

Yeah, today's going to kill me in the Oracle Challenge. I was 8th BEFORE Tidus/Shadow, which I nailed almost perfectly IIRC. I actually gave Vercetti almost an extra point compared to the X-Sts projection.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 010/010 - Matches: 10/10 - Rank: 00001/33221 - Today: Vercetti - Tomorrow: Zero

LordofDabu:
By the way, saying that I question how obvious the outcome of a match is doesn't mean I missed the match! I just don't see the point of the "we told you so" posts from those of us who were correct, which in this case was picking Tidus, when I don't believe the outcome of the match was certain, unless you honestly believe that 51-49 is not a close match.

Yes, exactly. I thoght Tidus had a significantly better shot of winning than Shadow did, but the match was always at least somewhat up in the air.

Just because Tidus won doesn't mean he was fated to do so. Thinking that is similar to the logic that made people underrate Tidus in the first place--losing close matches early in the contest doesn't make you a weak competitor. Thinking that Tidus' victory over Shadow makes him obviously superior to Shadow in terms of contest strength is not the proper way to think. There's just not much difference between the two characters. There might be in the future, but there wasn't last year, and there isn't this year.

And I can't believe I'm actually defending Shadow. I dislike the Sonic series and Shadow seems annoying.
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Supporter of Frog
SC2K4.com/Frog

Argh, I shouldn't have deleted my prediction of Tommy with around 63% AND changed my pick to him in Spread Betting. I figured he would underpeform as always.
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Tommy vs. Max - Bracket: Tommy - Vote: Tommy (9/10)

So, what you're saying is that the general bracket makers were wrong to pick Tidus, even though he won? Listen to yourself, man. You're not making sense here.

If you actually thought about it, you'd see I was making perfect sense.

The general bracket makers clearly overrated Tidus' chances of winning that match.

Ever consider that maybe you underestimated Tidus, as opposed to the general public overestimating him?

Whoa there...you *do* know who you're talking to right? I was the one who started preaching about Tidus being underrated. And I've mentioned that fact a lot recently.

70% of all bracket makers expected Tidus to win but less than half the BOP made that same call. Seeing as Tidus won, this demonstrates that the general public did better than the board members because the board overanalyzed the match, while most bracket makers took one look at the match and said "Oh, look, some hedgehog guy versus Tidus, the main character of FFX. That series is pretty popular around here, so I'll go with Tidus," which is exactly what the match boiled down to.

This is not the proper way to think about the situation.

So let's say that 50.01% of the board thought Mario would beat Crono last year (making this up), but 80% of the general brackets thought Mario would win. Just because Mario ended up winning, demonstrates that the board is clueless and the general brackets are WISER!!~~11!

I don't think so.
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Supporter of Frog
SC2K4.com/Frog

If as few as 774 people changed their vote from Tidus to Shadow, Shadow wins.

774 voters, out of 95,122.

I wouldn't declare that "obvious".
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You know, I think Ness vs. Jak could go about the same as Tidus vs. Shadow. This is a highly debated match on this board, but yet I wouldn't be surprised to see Jak as the overall bracket favorite by a good margin.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

For all we know Kefka did face quite a bit of SFF against Crono. Considering Pac-Man I wouldn't say it's a lot, nor enough to outright beat Knux this year, but he may keep it closer than we expect.

"I haven't played FF6, is Kefka really irritating in the game that would cause a lot of FF6 fans to hate him?"

No, Kefka rocks, but there is deffinately better reps for the game than him.

"It's possible that FF6's strength comes from its name, and that most people who voted for it never played it so that have no clue who Kefka is."

You're joking, right? FF6 is the second strognest FF for a damn good reason.

"Tidus deserved to be a slight favorite, but Shadow could obviously have won."

Tidus was a reasonably big favorite, and it was enough so that Shadow couldn't have won. Maybe, just maybe, if there ween't brackets Shadow could have taken it. There were, they were lopsided towards Tidus, and he won just like a majority of the bracketmackers predicted.

"fanboyism is blinding"

You just implied that Frog is capable of beating Mega Man when we lack the evidence to say that Crono and Magus are capable of doing the same...

"Dude, without the extrapolateds, Tidus would've been even more underrated by the board"

And they would have been even more wrong. A bunch of fools they are. That's why I don't listen to the board.

"The general bracket makers clearly overrated Tidus' chances."

As a wise man once said, it doesn't matter if Tidus wins by 2 or 20,000, he won. A much larger % off the boards knew that then on the boards, and so it was pretty obvious. Just because it was close (as was expected) doesn't mean the winner was in question.

"does anyone think bracket voting is the reason Tidus won?"

gIt's possible. However, I'd be willin to be a significant number of people with Tidus in their bracket did so grudgingly and still voted their "heart" with Shadow despite all that. Frankly, so people put the safe bet in their bracket even if it's not who they want to win, then they still turn around and vote for who they want to win. I do it all the time. I voted for Alucard, but had Ganon winning. So sad...

"In a match between two practically equal characters, you have to give the edge to Final Fantasy."

That's what the board keeps forgetting.
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Except Ness will win.
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Crash.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Jak as the overall bracket favorite by a good margin.

Strange, I would expect Ness to be the one to do that.
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I really don't expect Ness to be the bracket favorite against Jak. If he is, it'll be just barely.
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SC2K4 FIRST DRAFT - PAGE 12 - (4) ZERO vs. (13) PROTOMAN

Disclaimer: This preview series may contain mildly offensive stuff, as well as SPOILERS, not only for the characters discussed, but other stuff as well. This is the third preview in a row where there's some FFX-2 diss somewhere, I should take a break.

Hurray for lame SFF matches... again. The powerful Zero vs. the untested Protoman. I don't understand how some people think Zero can lose this. I mean come on. If Protoman can win by any sort of semi-comfortable margin, that would put him in the Snake/Sonic/Magus/Ganondorf group at worst. And believe me, he just can't be that strong. Zero came within 5000 votes of Sonic, and the two split the night vote evenly. Protoman can be loved all he wants, but if he's not important enough in the series, he just can't win. Seriously. Zero's in a dead heat with Shadow for second place in the "fan-favorite" department.

I'm no Megaman junkie, merely a sympathizer. But I do know that Zero dies on a basis just as regular as Kenny McCormick. Well, as far as a robot can be considered "living", that is. And apparently some people take the "living" concept too far. I mean, Zero pr0n? Apparently it exists, and in disturbing amounts. Come on now, Zero is a set of scraps of metal. HE'S ALREADY NAKED FOR CRISSAKES!!!

There's some guy on the board who put Vercetti over Zero on the basis that Zero (and Protoman too, he said) was from F-Zero. Urgh. I know, the interviewer from GX is called Zero too, but at least they had the decency to add a "Mr." in front to avoid getting sued by Capcom. Way to go, genius.

Protoman. Truth be told, I know a sum total of Zero about this guy. Except that people like him. And he wears a scarf. Wait a minute, what's with scarves and video game that don't need them, be it robots or scantily-clad women? Is it supposed to be badass or something? Well, compared to Sonic Team's definition of "badass", a pink ball of fluff sure is, let alone a scarf.

I know nothing about Protoman, but the very idea of him beating Dante or Luigi is just crazy talk, I believe. He's probably the strongest 13-seed in the field, but him being on the level of say, KOS-MOS or Ken Masters seems about right. Yes, he's a Megaman character. Yes, the most insignificant character from the Megaman universe scored 25% on Mario. But being a character from a popular series does NOT warrant a spot in the top half of the field. Ask Wario. Or Ramza. Or Kefka. Or Tails.

So my verdict is... well, I'll go with the consensus and say Zero should double up Protoman, but not much more. Where can SFF go? Obviously, Zero is really really loved here. But Protoman is in MMAC, and Zero is not. So... I'll just set SFF aside for tomorrow.

NUMBERS OF INTEREST

SC2K3 extrapolated standings
14. Zero - 32.21%
DNE. Protoman

Board Odds Project picks (119 brackets)
Zero - 116
Protoman - 3

Board Odds Project point value
13. Zero - 340
46. Protoman - 7

CONTEST TRIVIA

Zero is the non-Noble Nine character that came closest to beating a Noble Nine character in a direct match.
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The point I'm making, is that declaring the outcome of a contest as "obvious" when you can look at 0.81% as being the deciding margin of sorts. Less than 1%!

I was confident from day 1 when I picked Tidus, but I wouldn't say that this match is worthy of an "obvious" denotation. It basically makes the word obvious useless for practical purposes.
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The name of the topic isn't "Semantics stats and discussion".

Let's just say those who thought Shadow had it in the bag never had a point at all and leave it at that.
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Contest Stats and Useless Hyperbole it is, then.
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Enough talk about the damn Tidus/Shadow match. The results speak for themselves! Yes, the match was close but was Tidus ever in jeopardy of losing the match? No matter how many times Shadow threatened, Tidus kept his lead well over 1000 votes. Yes, 800 people COULD have voted for Shadow over Tidus. But the fact of the matter is that they didn't . The match played itself out, and there is no denying the results.

Kudos to those who thought that Tidus was more popular, even if not by that much. That's all there is to it. This wasn't even a match that went back and forth ala Mario/Crono, Starcraft/WW, or any other match. Tidus held a 1000+ lead for most of the match and that's based on FACT, not theory, not rankings. Hell, plenty of things COULD happen. 800 people who voted for Shadow could have voted for Tidus, then this wouldn't even have been in discussion. Grady Little COULD have taken Pedro out. Karl Malone's knee COULD have been healthier against the Pistons. The Titans COULD have gotten the yard that they needed against the Rams. But what do all of these have in common? They didn't.

Can we please move on?


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I have a feeling that Jak will have the majority of brackets on his side, whether or not he wins.
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ChichiriMuyo beat me to the punch.....

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Hurricane Charley hits mah house Friday. I'm so freaking excited, seriously. *rolls eyes*
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I still have a very hard believing Ness could obtain the casual vote. It's pretty much a given that Earthbound won't do it for him, neither will Nintendo loyalty (or less DK would be top 15-20 material), so it has to come from the SSB games. Will that be enough? I have my doubts...
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"ChichiriMuyo beat me to the punch....."

Yes, but I didn't make reference to the all-awesome Karl Malone
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SSBM made the Final 4 this spring.

I'll say it again.

SSBM MADE THE FINAL 4.

Now, I still maintain this would've been a different ball game had WW faced Starcraft on any other day. But SSBM is very, very strong.
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And character =/= games. I had SSBM reaching the Final Four from the beginning, and I'm still taking Jak to beat Ness.
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"I still maintain this would've been a different ball game had WW faced Starcraft on any other day"

SSBM had a bigger advantage over WW than SC, regardless of how WW did against SC. I'm tellin' ya man, SSBM is universally loved and WW is not, SSBM takes the Nintendo vote AND the 80% sailing vote.
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Just because it was close (as was expected) doesn't mean the winner was in question.

I would have to disagree with that. If a match is close, the winner is never obvious even if the match is expected to be close.

Like Mario's victory over Crono. Because it was so close, it was still obvious that Mario would win because his victory was expected to be close? Hardly.
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Mario and Crono is a whole other matter. First, MvC always has strange happenings towards the end of the match. Second, it was about 10 times closer than Tidus vs. Shadow. You people just don't realize that Tidus vs. Shadow wasn't that close at all.
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Characters may not equal games, else the entire SSBM cast would be as strong as Mario.

But, that means an assload of people played the game, and many people who don't recognize Jak will recognize Ness. This is a jobber vs. jobber match, remember, and in these anything can **** the math over.

And, there's always the possibility of Bowser absorbing that SSBM recognition vote with his own fame. AKA SFF.
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I really don't expect Ness to be the bracket favorite against Jak. If he is, it'll be just barely.

I'm sure more people have Ness winning than do Jak. People who are not familiar with the contest will see Ness from Earthbound/SSBM as a 6 seed against Jak, an 11-seed, and put him ahead. However, what they don't realize is Ness always horribly underperforms. GO JAK!

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Chichiri:
"fanboyism is blinding"

You just implied that Frog is capable of beating Mega Man when we lack the evidence to say that Crono and Magus are capable of doing the same...

I think you were quoting me, so I'll respond. I was joking. You know, irony? Accusing Slowflake of blind fanboyism when I'm the blind Frog fanboy? Hence the smiley :o) (or is it "smilie"...hmm...)

I actually do have Frog beating Solid Snake in my bracket (though he might struggle to get 40% on Solid Snake), but not even I could picture him beating Mega Man. I still have Mega Man winning the division. And I don't think it's impossible for Liquid Snake to beat Frog.

And they would have been even more wrong. A bunch of fools they are. That's why I don't listen to the board.

The board >>>> general brackets, obviously. And I'd say that a good majority of the Top 50 of the past couple contests wouldn't have been there without board input (not like this statement is going out on a stretch or something).

As a wise man once said, it doesn't matter if Tidus wins by 2 or 20,000, he won.

That would have to be the biggest dumbass of a wise man ever, then :) Obviously it matters a lot. If Link beats CATS by 10,000 votes only, then guess what, he ain't winning jack. (or CATS has suddenly become capable of beating Mario one-on-one)

Michael Jordan and some high school varsity player would both beat me at basketball. But Michael Jordan would take about 2 minutes to beat me 21-0 playing halfcourt, I'd actually score a few points on the varsity player.

You have to look at these *events* as *experiments*. The speed at which one basketball player beats another, and the points he allows, clearly says something about him. There's a reason why a blowout loss, or a sweep loss in a playoff series, is embarrassing. A game 7 OT loss might be far more heartbreaking, but that's because you knew the team *was right there*. Get swept, and you know they were outclassed.

A .500 NBA team averages about the same points for as points against. A championship caliber team, on average, beats its opponents comfortably (in the NBA, typically by at least 5 points/game). The same is true for all pro sports--the championship level teams have the best point differentials.

Not all victories are created equal. This is just about the most self-evident fact there is.
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Now, I still maintain this would've been a different ball game had WW faced Starcraft on any other day. But SSBM is very, very strong.

During Starcraft's static fanbase stages, the lead comparisons between Wind Waker and SSBM against Starcraft were 2000 and 3700. SSBM would kill Wind Waker in that match.

I'm saying one more thing about Tidus before laying it to rest. Everyone knew in advance that the match would be close before it started, but it was one of those close matches where the loser never had a good chance to come back. Unlike most matches, I wasn't worried in the least when Shadow trimmed 400 votes off of the lead. The match was just omfg obvious from the start that it would play out that way. If anything, Shadow did worse than I thought he would. I thought he would take a lead of 500-700 in a slow, grinding manner throughout the day, and then Tidus would have to come back later. Tidus gettng the lead right from the start was a shock to me.
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That's true, the seeding could easily sway the minds of the many who don't really care about either Jak or Ness.
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I predicted SSBM to get to the Final Four, and I was confident in it doing so throughout, even if it would face WW. I was actually more worried about StarCraft than Wind Waker.

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If anything, Shadow did worse than I thought he would

Weird since you said the exact opposite during the middle of the match
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Somebody WILL have a perfect bracket. Too much previous data for it not to happen.
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...and it begins! Next tough match: VYSE vs. Laharl

I think you're mistaken if you expect Jak to be as weak as Ratchet. That's about where he has to be for Ness to win, barring some SFF against Bowser. He's a much more recognizable character on the primary system of GameFAQs.
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