Since Solar doesn't seem to be coming back, I hope no one minds if I take it upon myself to make the topics until he says otherwise. And the tradition of people getting modded for counting posts continues as none other than Tai was nailed for Disruptive Posting. As such, TRE gets the last normal post in the topic. Nice work =)

Stats websites:

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/2003/index.html

Spring 2004 Contest: (not currently updating)
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/index.html

Stats topics:

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note)

2003-2004 Off-Season:
http://membres.lycos.fr/shindohikaru/stats1.htm (See note)
Note: Don't use the links in the topic to browse through the pages, change the page number in the URL.

Spring 2004 Pre-Season:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason3.htm

Spring 2004 Contest:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats3.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats4.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats5.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats6.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats7.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats8.htm

Summer 2005 Contest
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=14910836 (until purge)

!yawA tsoP
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

My favorite topic... orgasmic.
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My name is Reggie. I'm about kicking ass. I'm about taking names, and we're about making games.

Hmm...
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/Summer2004Winner.gif

Wow, it just hit me. 25 topics later, and I'm still supporting Link since I first came here a few days after the 2002 contest began.
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My name is Reggie. I'm about kicking ass. I'm about taking names, and we're about making games.

Nothing wrong with that.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

ESPN was rather disappointing today.

Anyhoo, any new thoughts on the Ryu H. vs Jill debate?
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

Hayabusa wins, end of that story. =p
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Ryu. Ninja Gaiden for XBox has more board activity then every gamecube Resident Evil combined. Ryu is a ninja which will get more casual votes than a girl with a gun (I think). Ryu gets the classic gamer vote for Ninja Gaiden on NES. I think that is enough but I can probably present more reasons.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Hayabusa wins, end of that story. =p

Well, it's good to know that you and I can at least agree on something. ^_^
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Oh really?

We shall see, Mario.

(PS - hey charmder, always assume I'm around to make the next topic until stated otherwise. I was actually in the middle of getting all of the data together when you posted yours, so it's somewhat unfair for the person who has been keeping the topic running to not be able to post it just because someone else was faster =( )
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

I fail to see how Ryu H. could get the picture vote over one of the sexiest characters in the contest.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

Well, it's good to know that you and I can at least agree on something. ^_^

You think Ryu too? You own. =)
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

The board stats are as follows, if anyone is particularly interested.

Board Title l Topics l Msgs l Last Post
Ninja Gaiden l 405 l 3982 l 7/6 9:57 PM
Resident Evil l 134 l 2057 l 7/6 8:46 PM
Resident Evil 0 l 55 l 514 l 7/6 7:28 PM
Resident Evil 2 l 29 l 206 l 7/6 8:54 PM
Resident Evil 3: Nemesis l 18 l 139 l 7/6 4:46 PM
Resident Evil Code: Veronica X l 21 l 273 l 7/6 8:36 PM

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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

It kind of depends what pic of Jill they use. On the one hand, they can use a very... ya know... picture which will garner her a lot of votes. On the other hand, if they just use a very standard picture, Ryu is a ninja no matter what, and I think ninjas will garner more votes than just a plain old girl. Personally, based on picture, I'd pick the ninja in either case but I don't know how much the sexy factor really effects peoples choices.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

I don't feel that board stats mean much. Final Fantasy Tactics has much more board activity than Metal Gear Solid. And I could come up with a few more examples if you need me to. FAQ hits don't matter either, as Grand Theft Auto's flops in two contests running would suggest.

There is also the issues concerning Half-Life, Halo, and even Pokémon. All popular according board and FAQ hits, but contest flops.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

(PS - hey charmder, always assume I'm around to make the next topic until stated otherwise. I was actually in the middle of getting all of the data together when you posted yours, so it's somewhat unfair for the person who has been keeping the topic running to not be able to post it just because someone else was faster =( )

ok next time I'll remember
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LUE is a cancer, and if it can't be destroyed, it must be contained. - CjayC

I suppose that is true but they could dictate something. Maybe it shows the percentage of voters for each within the board users and then the casual, non-board users have a different percentage. Or maybe it means nothing. It's all based on assumptions.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

The perfect example of why board traffic and FAQ lists are irrelevant:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1669

It was topping the charts on GameFAQs at that time, remember.
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SC2K4 Status - Elite 8: LINK, Mario, MEGAMAN, Snake, CLOUD, Sephiroth, Sonic, SAMUS

Eh, mistakes happen. No big deal. The plan was for me to make topics until Solarshadow returns and is like "YO WTF *****ES?" and takes the rights back.

The updated Guru Contest List:

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Heroic Mario
3 - Sephirot1
4 - Ringworm
5 - Tnote827
6 - charmander6000
7 - DaruniaTheKing
8 - SteveIllumina
9 - Nightmare 45
10 - Krusty the Klown
11 - Red Sox 777
12 - Naye745
13 - Starion
14 - Yesmar
15 - swirldude
16 - King Morgoth
17 - jonthomson
18 - Z1mZum
19 - DomaDragoon
20 - Alanna82
21 - FastFalcon05
22 - andaca
23 - TyRaNuS
24 - Lieutenant Kettch
25 - Scoop Li
26 - FrostHarpy
27 - yoblazer33
28 - irriadin
29 - Haunter12O
30 - Aprosenf
31 - BeTheMan
32 - RamzaB
33 - Mac Arrowny
34 - Tai
35 - Cavemanbob
36 - Tarrot
37 - Phediuk
38 - TheCalmness
39 - nifboy
40 - WiggumFan267
41 - perdevious
42 - Haste2
43 - Yokel
44 - Qwaar
45 - MasterMage119
46 - arkenaga
47 - Shadowdude
48 - Tequilla Gundam
49 - Ziwei
50 - smitelf
51 - Heroic Knuckles
52 - StopPokingMe
53 - cyko
54 - Salient
55 - Sir Chris
56 - TheRye
57 - Rufus Shinra 18
58 - nh82
59 - Steinershocker
60 - Smurf Thy Legend
61 - BocaSE
62 - Garsha II
63 - A Hogasm IN POG FORM
64 - PregnantPrincess
65 - CrAzYCarl73
66 - Bananaquest
67 - Lone Saiyajin
68 - Aeon Azuran
69 - Fett0001
70 - Fantusta
71 - Dilated Chemist
72 - BFitz310
73- ChichiriMuyo
74 - Lucid Faia
75 - HaRRicH
76 - MMXcalibur
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

I'm taking a backseat on this debate since I blasted everyone who said something about Jill in the last topic.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

The perfect example of why board traffic and FAQ lists are irrelevant:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1669

It was topping the charts on GameFAQs at that time, remember.


Point taken.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

I was wondering when someone would bust that poll out. Don't forget that most people haven't played Final Fantasy XI, either. And the EA sports titles, despite having one of the biggest online franchises in the world, are hated on gamefaqs.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

if i steal this contest, can I be on the Guru list? I have a weird feeling i might actually win. (disreguard sig)
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*I have currently beat 98 videogames*
MEGAMAN Summer 2004--Believe It.

Here's all the matches that the winner will have less then 60% (there are some surprises)

Ganondorf vs. Alucard
Luigi vs. Pac-Man
Tidus vs. Shadow
Kefka vs. Knuckles
Vyse vs. Laharl*
Kirby vs. Kain*
Ness vs. Jak*
Auron vs. Scorpion
Vivi vs. Donkey Kong*
Viewtiful Joe vs. Tails*
Sora vs. HK-47*
Ryu H. vs. Jill*

*Estimate

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LUE is a cancer, and if it can't be destroyed, it must be contained. - CjayC

Well I still think the whole ninja thing can help him out quite a bit.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Auron could score more than 60%.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

They are interesting to look at, sure, but no more than that. And to think, I got flamed for my tiebreaking methods on that aspect about the Starcraft/WW match!

That's why I'm worried about many of the newcomers. HK-47 and Hayabusa, most importantly. And Ulti summed my thoughts on Jak perfectly with that EA analogy. OK, so perhaps he's not "hated", but I don't think people care about him that much. And as I said, that's where AwareNess from SSBM kicks in.
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SC2K4 Status - Elite 8: LINK, Mario, MEGAMAN, Snake, CLOUD, Sephiroth, Sonic, SAMUS

it seems a tad wasteful to take up this topic here when the other one was just as good and put up faster...
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If you work hard you can achieve great things in life...........and then you die. - from dilbert

The extrapolated have Auron getting 56%. You could be surprised... Scorpion got 38% against Zero. ZERO.
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SC2K4 Status - Elite 8: LINK, Mario, MEGAMAN, Snake, CLOUD, Sephiroth, Sonic, SAMUS

Auron could score more than 60%

Try 56%
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LUE is a cancer, and if it can't be destroyed, it must be contained. - CjayC

And to think, I got flamed for my tiebreaking methods on that aspect about the Starcraft/WW match!

You did? I don't recall seeing that. And EA isn't hated, but most people on this site don't care about sports titles. Remember the belief that we all had about Starcraft in reference to the fact that the players are busy playing the game instead of hanging out on our site? That philosophy truly applies to online sports titles.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

OK, so perhaps he's not "hated", but I don't think people care about him that much. And as I said, that's where AwareNess from SSBM kicks in.

And people have cared for Ness outside of that little group? Pssh. Outside of that small group of EB fans where is Ness going to get votes? I couldn't possibly see SSBM getting him votes as he's garbage in the game as far as who people know more that would easily be in favor of Jak.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Mortal Kombat isn't exactly unpopular. It's definitely not as big as it used to be, but Scorpion's no pushover. I still wish Sub-Zero had gotten in instead of him though.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

Will nintendo fans prefer to vote for Ness, who is from one of their favorite gamecue games, or Jak, who is for PS2? Yeah, exactly.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Will nintendo fans prefer to vote for Ness, who is from one of their favorite gamecue games, or Jak, who is for PS2? Yeah, exactly.

Umm, hello. *points to self*
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

it seems a tad wasteful to take up this topic here when the other one was just as good and put up faster...

Did anyone else besides Solarshadow make the topic when he was around to do so? No. Same goes for Slowflake making the topic during the offseason. It's just one of those unwritten rules type of things, but hey, mistakes happen. charmander didn't seem to mind when I mentioned it, anyway.

On a completely unrelated side note, have I ever mentioned that I have a neverending hatred for most Philly fans?
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

Umm, hello. *points to self*
Okay, change it to will most.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Yes I did get flamed. It was dead even between the two in the "GameFAQs Status" category, but I gave the slight edge (the slightest ever, I admit) to Wind Waker based on the fact that Starcraft had two individual titles to draw from (Starcraft, Brood War) while WW was all by itself. The catch? It's easier to have your review pass when there are less up already, and many reviewers overlapped themselves between SC and BW anyway. That's the only time I ever got flamed by non-trolls IIRC. Oh wait, there's that one time when I got called a sexist pig, but that was a regular's joke account (can't put the finger on who did that).
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SC2K4 Status - Elite 8: LINK, Mario, MEGAMAN, Snake, CLOUD, Sephiroth, Sonic, SAMUS

I still wish Sub-Zero had gotten in instead of him though.

YES. To think of all the fighting characters that got in in 2002 without the true MK representative showing up is a joke.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

Will nintendo fans prefer to vote for Ness, who is from one of their favorite gamecue games, or Jak, who is for PS2? Yeah, exactly.

Jak is a far better character than Ness. System loyalty isn't that big of a factor, honestly.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

Oh wait, there's that one time when I got called a sexist pig, but that was a regular's joke account (can't put the finger on who did that).

Hey now, that wasn't me. And it was a joke, anyways =p
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

Kefka is a far better character than Knuckles, too... *sighs*
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SC2K4 Status - Elite 8: LINK, Mario, MEGAMAN, Snake, CLOUD, Sephiroth, Sonic, SAMUS

Am I the only one who feels that Magus is the best character of all time?
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

Am I the only one who feels that Magus is the best character of all time?

Definetly not on GameFAQs.
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"Between gas leaks and electric lines someone could get seriously killed!" ~Miami Construction Guy

Magus isn't even the best character in his own game, in my opinion.

Of course, I'm aware that my favorite character isn't exactly well-received by most.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

I think a few more people would say Magus, but then again the way it goes is like...

Mario and Mega Man owning all. ;)
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

The more I'm on this board, the more I feel I'm missing out on so the best characters ever by not playing RPG's. ;__;
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My name is Reggie. I'm about kicking ass. I'm about taking names, and we're about making games.

Knuckles/Kefka is really bothering me...Knuckles should destroy Kefka, but I just can't see that happening. From the Spring Contest, it's clear that the Square fanbase prefers CT to FFVI, making SFF all the more likely in Kefka/Crono last year, and yet Kefka nearly lost to Pac-Man. But with the success of FFVI in the Spring Contest, I just can't write off Kefka. I know characters =/= game, what's stopping someone from voting for the only representative? Plus, the loss of 20,000 casual votes which probably would have gone to Pac-Man in the last contest, and would go to Knux in this one, the flop of Sonic 2 (maybe because it is pre-Knuckles?)... Dammit, this should be an easy match! Why must I make it hard on myself!

Oh well. It's only 1 point, maybe I'll be and idiot and change to Kefka. The only other 4 pack I'm worried about is Ryu H's. The rest of the first round and second round seems like clear sailing...
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Supporter of Frog in SC2k4!

as long as charmander's alright, Im alright too...


and for Knux/Kefka, I was worried about that too, but kefka just didn't impress enough for me to change him to the winner.
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If you work hard you can achieve great things in life...........and then you die. - from dilbert

Knuckles will win. That match shouldn't even be in question. Kefka has done nothing to prove that he could beat Knuckles. I would be utterly shocked if he managed to.
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week.

I can't believe that match is even being analysed, to be honest. I personally feel that it's a no-brainer.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

Maybe I'll repost my analysis tomorrow in Ulti's topic. I'm not sure which is the "real" thread.

Way to ditch me, yo =)
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

People are crossing their fingers and hoping for Kefka's sprite pic. Honestly, I think that pic is worth a 2/3% spread at least. And don't count out the Dancing Mad Clown yet, there may be an anti-rematch vote.

Yes, that sounds stupid, but so did "Aeris is more likely to not be in the bracket than CATS", and we all know how that turned out.
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Ulti pulled a Damage Split on my bracket. Go Guru Ulti!
Smart Ask! National Champion (2003) www.rpgdl.com

Hey, I just posted in the one that came up first. I guess I may as well post it now (and I won't "correct" Ryu's name this time :) I've also made a few other corrections but it's all grammar, none of the opinion has been changed.

Okay, folks, here’s my bracket analysis (yeah, I really don’t care about this contest since I have no chance of winning it so I’m not hoarding my wisdom/stupidity).

ROUND 1: FIGHT!

Hyrule Division

Link vs. CATS
I hate you Ceej. No Kerrigan. NO ****ING KERRIGAN. Oh, but we have CATS, and that’s much better than using his spot on an actual competitor. God, I hate you, Ceej.
Winner: Link

Ganondorf vs. Alucard
This should be much more interesting than the previous no-brainer but not by much; anyone who thinks Alucard is going to win this needs to direct me to their crack dealer, for he must sell it mighty cheap. Ganondorf is a highly recognizable character from one of the leading franchises on this site. Alucard is from the best of the Castlevania games…but he’s still from a Castlevania game. Sorry, Alucard – no amount of coolness can save you from a first round defeat, though I will still have fantasies involving you and Sephiroth together in sexual situations, regardless of your humiliation. Perhaps your humiliation will even spark some bondage fantasies.
Winner: Ganondorf

Yoshi vs. Ryo Hazuki
Wow, look, it’s another fodder character who isn’t Kerrigan. I hate you, Ceej.
Winner: Yoshi

Luigi vs. Pac-Man
Why is Pac-Man still here? Two words: Sarah. Kerrigan. Hate you, Ceej.
Winner: Luigi

Magus vs. Luca Blight
Wow, the third boring match in a row. Ceej has outdone himself.
Winner: Magus

Crono vs. Conker
No, Ceej, that’s not how you spell Kerrigan…you silly, silly website administrator. Oh? What’s that? It’s not supposed to be Kerrigan? You mean it’s another character vastly inferior to her? Have I told you lately how much I hate you, Ceej? I hate you as much as I hate the smell of my brother when he goes on a deodorant strike. That’s a lot of hate, Ceejus. Oh, and this is the fourth boring match in a row.
Winner: Crono

Bowser vs. Guybrush Threepwood
Boring match count up to five in a row now…*cries*
Winner: Bowser

Mario vs. JC Denton
Ceej, oh Ceej, how do I hate thee? Let me count the ways.
Winner: Mario

Wrap-up for Hyrule Division, Round 1: Full of no-brainer matches. Nothing in this division should come as a surprise. Also, is full of characters that Kerrigan is superior to. Curse you, Ceej.
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week.

20XX Division

Mega Man vs. Earthworm Jim
At this point, there has not been a single match in the first round worth agonizing over. This match does not change that. I’d point out that Kerrigan would perform better than Earthworm Jim but he kicks far more ass than the prerequisite for earning my approval for contest entry. In short, Earthworm Jim rocks, and I will be rooting for him, even if he has less chance of winning than Janet Jackson has of her “wardrobe malfunction” blowing over within her lifetime.
Winner: Mega Man

Tidus vs. Shadow
Finally, a good fight! I’m really not too sure why Tidus is such a heavy favorite to win. Shadow is far cooler, does not generate a negative reaction from fans of his series, and probably has more staying power than his opponent. Nevertheless, we’re talking about a Final Fantasy character here and none of them are to be taken lightly. In a close match involving a Final Fantasy character, it’s usually good policy to give the Final Fantasy character the benefit of the doubt, even if it is Tidus. I hate to bet against one, especially in a first round match. For now, I’m going with Tidus, if only because I’m too chicken **** to bet against him.
Winner: Tidus

Tommy Vercetti vs. Max Payne
Battle of the Badasses. I’m betting on the one who isn’t completely washed up yet (let’s give Tommy another year or so, hmm?). Oh, and I guess I should add my obligatory point that Kerrigan would fare far better than Max Payne.
Winner: Tommy Vercetti

Zero vs. Protoman
Protoman, you poor bastard. You might have actually had some upset potential in a match against a lesser character but alas, that was not to be.
Winner: Zero

Frog vs. Liquid Snake
Interesting factoid: the only 11-seed to ever make it out of the first round in the character contests is Aeris – twice. I feel it is safe to say that Liquid Snake is no Aeris. Much as I despise the Frog hype, and as dorky as he is, I’m not going to display my revulsion just yet.
Winner: Frog

Master Chief vs. Crash Bandicoot
Wow, look, yet another character that should be Kerrigan! Crash’s continuing presence is completely beyond my comprehension. I hate you, Ceej.
Winner: Master Chief

Kefka vs. Knuckles
Anyone who can give me any logical reason for Kefka being seeded above Knuckles gets a kick in the balls…err, I mean, doesn’t get a kick in the balls…hehe…anyway, Kefka sucked last year, and he’ll suck again this year. Kefka has finally managed to build his monument to non-existence, and he is it, for he will make no impact on this contest.
Winner: Knuckles

Snake vs. Tanner
Ceej spelled Kerrigan wrong again. Oh, wait, he didn’t…curse you once more, Ceej. Another boring match, yawn.
Winner: Snake

Wrap-up for 20XX Division, Round 1: Tidus vs. Shadow and Frog vs. Liquid Snake made this division spicier than the Hyrule Division but, as always, it was still filled with plenty of fodder and predictable matches. Those two are quite enough for my nerves, though, so I’m not complaining.
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week.

Midgar Division

Cloud Strife vs. Duke Nukem
Yes, Ceej, you wasted yet another spot that could have gone to Kerrigan. Sure, she would have been creamed, too, but not as badly as this washed-up action hero. Cloud will win in a match that shouldn’t surprise anyone who is not about to die of a drug overdose.
Winner: Cloud

Vyse vs. Laharl
I would call this the definition of a fodder vs. fodder match except for a certain match yet to be mentioned that fits the definition even better. Both Vyse and Laharl are cool characters from cult favorites; it should come down to which cult favorite has more support and which character gets the cooler picture. I’m going to go with Vyse on this one, much as I hate to let Laharl down, because Skies of Arcadia strikes me as being slightly better-known than Disgaea, the (awesome) game from which Laharl hails.
Winner: Vyse

Kirby vs. Kain
This strikes me as a strange match for some reason but I see no way for Kirby to flub it. I’d like to again point out that Kerrigan would have been a better performer than X, with X = Kain.
Winner: Kirby

Squall vs. Bomberman
Squall, the black horse of ’03. You will not catch me by surprise this year – and even then, I would have expected you to make mincemeat of Bomberman.
Winner: Squall

Ness vs. Jak
The extrapolated rankings are very useful here, despite Jak being a newbie. There have been several characters of his approximate type in the contest before. Conker is approximately equal to Ness if going by last year’s rankings, and I suspect that Jak could be significantly more popular than Conker. This isn’t truly difficult to decide; if anything, Ness’ looks will be the death of him in a close match. Oh, and Kerrigan is superior to both, damn you Ceej, etc.
Winner: Jak

Auron vs. Scorpion
The irony. Scorpion was once Elite Eight material, and look at him now: not even getting past the first round. Sucker.
Winner: Auron

Vivi vs. Donkey Kong
A new Final Fantasy character facing off against our favorite underperformer. Donkey Kong has been nearly beaten by characters much less popular than Vivi; thus, the new entrant should be able to beat DK comfortably.
Winner: Vivi

Sephiroth vs. Sly Cooper
Ah, Sephiroth, once again denied his deserved one-seed. This match is another obvious one; is there anyone who thinks we won’t be seeing a second (or third, depending on how you look at it ;) match between Cloud and Sephiroth? Oh, and Kerrigan > Sly Cooper.
Winner: Sephiroth

Wrap-up for Midgar Division, Round 1: This division is probably the most challenging of the first round. There are two matches between fodder characters that are difficult to call; unfortunately, this division is pretty predictable from here on out.
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week.

Chaos Division

Sonic vs. Terry Bogard
Sonic has done nothing to deserve his seeding and Terry Bogard < Kerrigan.
Winner: Sonic

KOS-MOS vs. Ryu
I have no clue why KOS-MOS is seeded higher than Ryu, if even by one spot. Anyway, say goodbye to your girlfriend, Notre Game. She has no chance to survive against the fighter golden boy.
Winner: Ryu

Viewtiful Joe vs. Tails
I have little idea of where Viewtiful Joe ranks in the grand scheme of things, and his five-seed scares me. I would think Tails would have an easy win here: Joe isn’t a household name by any means and just doesn’t seem mainstream enough to beat a well-known member of the Sonic cast. On the other hand, Tails sucks. He has lost in the first round in ’02 and ’03. This seems like his best chance to break his losing streak. And let us not forget the most important point: Kerrigan is superior to both.
Winner: Tails

Dante vs. Ratchet
Ah, Dante. You have always managed to screw me over in previous contests; you failed me against Ryu in ’03 and against Crono in ’02 (yes, my most embarrassing hour, I had no idea how popular Crono was). I have a tendency to overestimate you, possibly because I find you very cool. Regardless, you should have no trouble with Ratchet whatsoever. Even last year’s rankings agree with me profusely on that point. Oh, and Ratchet is wasting a spot that should have gone to Kerrigan.
Winner: Dante

Sora vs. HK-47
This is one overhyped match that I just don’t comprehend. Despite Sora’s and his game being poorly received on GameFAQs as competitors, the fact remains that HK-47 is from an Xbox/PC game that is not called Halo or Starcraft, respectively. Statement: HK-47 deserves to win this contest but he and his game are underappreciated by the meatbags. Again, Sora may suck, but even Gordon Freeman would have a shot at winning this one.
Winner: Sora

Ryu Hayabusa vs. Jill Valentine
This is one match that is freaking me out a little. Ryu Hayabusa is a total unknown to me; I have never played a Ninja Gaiden game in my life (nor do I intend to) and I’m not too familiar with the extent of his fanbase. Jill Valentine, on the other hand, we all know quite well. From what I’ve been hearing about Ryu, he should be able to win this match. However, I am too uncertain; both are characters that exist outside my usual sphere of gaming knowledge and I freely admit that this is an uneducated guess on my part.
Winner: Ryu Hayabusa

Sam Fisher vs. Gordon Freeman
Ah, now here is the definition of a fodder vs. fodder match! Let’s just get the fact that Kerrigan would rape them both out of the way so we can focus on these two losers. It all comes down to which is less of a loser, really, and the answer there is Sam Fisher by a mile. God, this is hilarious, and shows just how much this division sucks.
Winner: Sam Fisher

Samus vs. Lara Croft
Lara Croft has been washed up for some time now; why can’t Ceej let her die?
Winner: Samus

Wrap-up for Chaos Division, Round 1: This is, by far, the weakest division, and that is where some of its difficulty lies. The only competitors of any note (i.e. in about the top third of competitors) here are Sonic and Samus. Those of us who were around in ’02 remember the history behind these two; there’s no doubt that this was a setup. There is no reasonable way for a rematch not to happen and I for one am looking forward to it.
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week.

From what I've seen on these boards, Tidus is a slight underdog, at best.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

Also, about the ninja factor, did it help Strider?
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Now a proud Rider of Lohan.

Also, about the ninja factor, did it help Strider?

Not really. Jill was about 3% stronger than Strider in the 2002 extrapolated rankings.
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My name is Reggie. I'm about kicking ass. I'm about taking names, and we're about making games.

Also, about the ninja factor, did it help Strider?

He won his first round match, after all.
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Ulti pulled a Damage Split on my bracket. Go Guru Ulti!
Smart Ask! National Champion (2003) www.rpgdl.com

From what I've seen on these boards, Tidus is a slight underdog, at best.

You're the second person to tell me that. I guess I read the mood of the board wrong when I wrote that one up. My decision to stick with Tidus stands for now. That match is very difficult to call and I might switch before the brackets are closed.
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week.

So why do people say the Ninja factor will decide it?
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Now a proud Rider of Lohan.

It won't decide it, just contribute. And smiteself, I believe it is Ryu Hazuki :P
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

I've already said I'm a moron for agonizing over Kefka/Knux, but that doesn't mean I'm not doing it. Anyway, why exactly is Shadow the favorite in Tidus/Shadow? The extrapolated rankings are basically too close to call (0.04% difference), plus Tidus losing in the first round and Shadow overperforming against Mario (because everybody overperforms against Mario) don't make them the best source of information. Sega loving is at an all time low, and FFX seems to have aged passably well. As much as I dislike Tidus, I have him winning this, and I really didn't think too long about it. Let's put it this way: Tidus barely lost to Ganondorf last year, who in turn barely lost to Magus. Can you see Shadow beating (or coming very close to) Ganondorf or Magus?
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Supporter of Frog in SC2k4!

Well, I'm just saying which character the board is favoring. Personally, I'm going with Tidus on that one.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

Board favorite =/= actual winner.

*coughEarthboundAndUnfortunatelyKefkacough*
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Supporter of Frog in SC2k4!

It won't decide it, just contribute. And smiteself, I believe it is Ryu Hazuki :P

No, It’s Ryo Hazuki and Ryu Hayabusa. Don’t get me any more confused than I already am.

The pick I’m agonizing over at the moment is Tidus vs. Shadow. It’s not going to make or break my bracket, so I won’t cry about it for too long, but thus far I’m thinking I made the right choice with Tidus (especially now that he’s apparently the board underdog). With a match as near 50/50 as this one is, Final Fantasy is usually the better bet. I don't really think I'll change my decision on this match, though I may bite my nails about it for a while.
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week.

I personally find the stress over Tidus/Shadow funny. I have my own reasons for going the way I am, but even if I'm wrong, it's one friggen point. Matches like this serve for little more than board hype.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

You've argued for both Shadow and Tidus, Ulti. STOP MESSING WITH MY FEEBLE MIND!
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My name is Reggie. I'm about kicking ass. I'm about taking names, and we're about making games.

I personally find the stress over Tidus/Shadow funny. I have my own reasons for going the way I am, but even if I'm wrong, it's one friggen point. Matches like this serve for little more than board hype.

Heh. I agree.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Anyone want to discuss Mario Vs. Crono?

-_-

Ryu, Jill, Shadow and Teeeeeeeeeeeeedus are boring me to death.
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His grace, Sir YokeI, duke of USL.

You've argued for both Shadow and Tidus, Ulti. STOP MESSING WITH MY FEEBLE MIND!

I have no reason to be serious if people are going to hang on every word I say simply because I finished in first place in the last contest. I see no shame in confusing you people, in all honesty.

And the funniest part is that even in posts where I flat-out say I'm being serious, people can't tell whether or not I'm just lying. It's ****ing hilarious.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

As I said, Ulti, I won't cry about it for too long ;) I'm moving on to worrying about Round 2 tomorrow.
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week.

Yeah, Crono has that thing won with ease. The masses of people who voted for Mario in the past two years are magically going to forget about him.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

The sad thing is that Round 2 is more predictable than Round 1.
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His grace, Sir YokeI, duke of USL.

It is pretty funny. I bet more then one person changed their brackets due to one of your joke topics.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Er, today, I mean, but later today, like after I've had some sleep.
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week.

Yeah, Crono has that thing won with ease. The masses of people who voted for Mario in the past two years are magically going to forget about him.

Damn straight, now GET BACK IN THE KITCHEN!
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week.

Crono will win that, though not for that reason =/ He has proven stronger than Mario in the spring contest, another Crono Trigger character got nominated this year, I think the entire series is gaining power and Crono only needs very little gain to beat Mario.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

It is pretty funny. I bet more then one person changed their brackets due to one of your joke topics.

More than one? I should start keeping a list all of the people who keep IMing me to ask for help. And yes, I mix in the joke picks with the real advice. Sue me.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

Crono should win this year. Oh, and Ulti, I was just joking around. I make my own decisions. Sorry, didn't mean to pump all that helium in your head.
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My name is Reggie. I'm about kicking ass. I'm about taking names, and we're about making games.

You should try and see how messed up you can make someones bracket.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Damn straight, now GET BACK IN THE KITCHEN!

I already washed the dishes and cleaned the entire house. What the **** else do you want from me? I'm sitting here on perscribed L10 Perkasets due to having a hole in my back. Can I have a break, just this once? ~_^

Crono will win that, though not for that reason =/ He has proven stronger than Mario in the spring contest, another Crono Trigger character got nominated this year, I think the entire series is gaining power and Crono only needs very little gain to beat Mario.

What did Mario have going for him last year, may I ask?
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

Yeah, Crono has that thing won with ease. The masses of people who voted for Mario in the past two years are magically going to forget about him.

Lies! All lies! No one forgets about Mario. Mario. He's like... Mario. And... Marioish and stuff.

<3 Mario. He is the best, and he's a communist. You can't go wrong.

<3<3<3

Ooh... Gave me an idea for a poll...

POLL (Who would've thought I'd make a poll right after that statement omgomg): If this contest was run all throughout the world, who do you think would win?

Points to remember:

1. Mario is generally known to people better than Bugs Bunny or Mickey Mouse.
2. Those damn trippy Ethiops would have no idea wtf was going on and would just vote for the badass types.
3. Mario's series is the best selling series of all time.
4. The adorable mother****ers would get votes from <10 girls. That would account for a lot of the votes.
5. RPGs don't mean **** to the Ethiops.
6. Marioooooooo.
7. {Add your own}

My opinion: Mario. What a surprise.
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His grace, Sir YokeI, duke of USL.

You should try and see how messed up you can make someones bracket.

I managed to get some moron to seriously contemplate Zero's chances of winning his division, so I assume it's possible.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

Oh seriously though Ulti, I am having some serious trouble deciding between Sly and Sephiroth. Could you maybe help me out a bit? I just don't know who Sly's strength is similar to.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

To bad that no one would care if it were world wide, which it already is.
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Now a proud Rider of Lohan.

Mario was coming off the recent success of that Mario cartoon, easily clinching the match for him...

Actually, I have no idea what he had going for him last year, I just think Crono Trigger is going to be STRONGER this year.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

I managed to get some moron to seriously contemplate Zero's chances of winning his division, so I assume it's possible

Wait a second... Are you saying Zero CAN'T win his division??? Crap... I'll be right back...
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

To bad that no one would care if it were world wide, which it already is.

Nope. Not everyone has a computer and not everyone with a computer has the !!!INTERNET!!! I mean, this would be a magic poll, that you would hear in your head.
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His grace, Sir YokeI, duke of USL.

I have enough magical things in my head already, thanks. The doctors don't want me to get any more.
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week.

He actually does, believe it or not. He's guaranteed a spot in the third round, and could fluke out a win against Mega Man from reverse SFF. Add in that Snake has no chance to beat Mega Man, the fanbase could turn around and vote Zero over him instead.

Or he could lose to Protoman from reverse SFF. Go figure.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

He actually does, believe it or not. He's guaranteed a spot in the third round, and could fluke out a win against Mega Man from reverse SFF. Add in that Snake has no chance to beat Mega Man, the fanbase could turn around and vote Zero over him instead.

Or he could lose to Protoman from reverse SFF. Go figure.

And, and, at exactly 4:37 AM, the sun could explode.
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week.

Rofl. I like how, when you talk, you could be spewing BS and make it convincing. I guess that is why people fall for such otherwise obvious tricks.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Anyone without a computer doesn't deserve to vote.
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Now a proud Rider of Lohan.

And, and, at exactly 4:37 AM, the sun could explode.

wtf you n00b.

5:38 is a lock for that. don't believe me? look at teh extrapolaporated standings.

see?

SEE?
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His grace, Sir YokeI, duke of USL.

Hey, Ulti, you getting tired of the people in this topic kissing your ass yet? Anyway, I really should go to bed, see you all tomorrow.
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week.

Hey, Ulti, you getting tired of the people in this topic kissing your ass yet? Anyway, I really should go to bed, see you all tomorrow.


If that was directed at me, you really don't know what kissing someone's ass is. If not, you are lying since there was no one else for you to direct it at.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Hey, Ulti, you getting tired of the people in this topic kissing your ass yet?

Yeah, being nice to new people has its merits once in awhile.

Anyway, I really should go to bed, see you all tomorrow.

Good night, Becky. Hope the move is going well for you <3
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

I've succsessufly managed to kill another topic.

YES!
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His grace, Sir YokeI, duke of USL.

By direct, I meant refer.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

If that was directed at me, you really don't know what kissing someone's ass is. If not, you are lying since there was no one else for you to direct it at.

El oh el. The people that know me well know me as a 'love me or hate me' kind of guy. That's where it comes from.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

I don't see how 100+ posts within 7 hours means that the topic was killed by someone.. *shrug*
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

Jill shall destroy Ryu! Grr!
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Now a proud Rider of Lohan.

It's just that everyone sort off stoped posting for a second after this giant ass rush and yeah.

Mario!
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His grace, Sir YokeI, duke of USL.

Because the conversation was kinda done...
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Tizzag.
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Anyone who doesn`t look at a picture of an amphibian knight in awe needs to rethink their purpose in this mortal coil. --Ulti
SC2K4.com/frog

Mario!
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His grace, Sir YokeI, duke of USL.

Gooooooooooooood morning (or day or night)
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LUE is a cancer, and if it can't be destroyed, it must be contained. - CjayC

Good morning, you sexy topic.
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week.

What do you think is the most unorthodox possibility for a winning bracket?

That sounded stupid.

Okay, what do you think is the best logical upset to put in the later rounds? Sonic over Samus? Mega Man over Link?
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Gordon Freeman is your only option. ~Slowflake

That sounded stupid.

Okay, what do you think is the best logical upset to put in the later rounds? Sonic over Samus? Mega Man over Link?

I'd say the most logical upset would be Sephiroth over Cloud, then over Link. Sonic over Samus may be semi-possible but they were so close in '02 and it's pretty clear which of the two is on an upswing and which is on a decline. Mega Man has absolutely no prayer of beating Link; Link, Cloud and Sephiroth are in a class all their own right now and I don't see how Mega Man's performance could have picked up enough to make up the over 10% difference between his and Link's performance in the extrapolated rankings. Sephiroth over Cloud, however, is entirely possible, especially considering our lower vote totals of late. The difference could possibly make up the less than 2% gap between Sephiroth and Cloud. Sephy vs. Link would be a toss-up match, anyway, so betting on Sephy there if he can make it past Cloud isn't too much of an upset.
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week.

Oh, and I haven't been able to access the BOP numbers (something about my internet security; even after I turned it to low I still couldn't get onto the site) so if anyone in this topic knows how I could fix that I'd be most appreciative.
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week.

Gotta catch 'em all!
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For me, video games should be as long as a girl's skirt. That is, long enough to cover the subject, but short enough to keep it interesting

Excuse me, good sir, but I have already caught them all.
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week.

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

I'd like to add that the most likely upsets in the earlier rounds can be summarized in one word: Frog. He could easily bomb just as much as Kefka. They are both from popular SNES RPGs and both are butt ugly. Frog will not be nearly as popular as Magus and I don't see how anyone could logically think he would be.
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week.

Frog is sexy ;)

I'm putting Frog over Solid Snake; I guess that isn't exactly logical, but so it's currently staying.
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Gordon Freeman is your only option. ~Slowflake

I'm putting Frog over Solid Snake; I guess that isn't exactly logical, but so it's currently staying.

Oh well, that's one less bracket for me to pwn.
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week.

If you think Frog can beat Solid Snake, ask yourself why Frog hasn't been doing well the past few contests.
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I don't feel that board stats mean much. Final Fantasy Tactics has much more board activity than Metal Gear Solid. And I could come up with a few more examples if you need me to. FAQ hits don't matter either, as Grand Theft Auto's flops in two contests running would suggest.

There is also the issues concerning Half-Life, Halo, and even Pokémon. All popular according board and FAQ hits, but contest flops.

I haven't read oall of the topic yet, soI don't know if anyone replied to this, but...

FFVII: Probably the most consistently popular board on GameFAQs. Whaddya know? It won the contest.

I should also point out that Half-Life and Halo weren't flops in the contest. Just look at the extrapolated rankings.

Board activity does matter. Pokemon, while its boards are busy, gets antivoted to hell, so we can eliminate that exception. Grand Theft Auto has its fair share of haters as well, so there goes that case too.

Now, can you explain how exactly it "doesn't matter" that solely the Xbox Ninja Gaiden has more board activity than all of the GameCube Resident Evils combined?
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

I'm kinda surprised that no one is even mentioning the Round 2 Crono/Magus matchup as a possible upset. Frankly, I think it's gonna be a lot closer than everyone thinks, and may turn out the other way.
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From this day forth, I shall work with my brothers, Smiling Spoon and Indifferent Knife, and shall let no possible peril hinder my path toward true justice!!

I don't think Frog can beat Solid Snake, but I have no reason to think he won't make it there. Magus is pretty ugly too, you know. The pretty boy version of Snake and an Xbox hero won't stand in Frog's way. Besides, if you know Crono and Magus, you at least know Frog, and I don't see a large amount of the CT fanbase voting for Liquid or MC.
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Supporter of Frog in SC2k4!

Board activity doesn't mean much, sorry. Having a more popular board doesn't say what the rest of GameFAQs users think about the character in the game, let alone the rest of the voting populace. It's too small and too biased a sample to be effective for comparison. Neither board nor FAQ activity means anything really significant in a close match, which are the only matches where such activity would be helpful with decision-making if the comparison actually worked.
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week.

Jak is a far better character than Ness. System loyalty isn't that big of a factor, honestly.

XD

Any Nintendo vs. Square match, pal.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

I'm kinda surprised that no one is even mentioning the Round 2 Crono/Magus matchup as a possible upset. Frankly, I think it's gonna be a lot closer than everyone thinks, and may turn out the other way.

No way. Magus may be popular but it's pretty clear where GameFAQs loyalties lie. I don't recall a case where the existence of reverse SFF has actually been proven and that would be the only factor that could possibly win Magus this match. It is more likely that Magus will do worse against Crono than he deserves to due to your garden-variety SFF.
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week.

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

Any Nintendo vs. Square match, pal.

The casual voter doesn't care about things like that, especially considering that's primarily a message board war here. I doubt very many people vote based on company loyalty. I know I don't. That's just overhyped.

Plus, none of the Nintendo or Square characters have ever been known to overperform or underperform due to facing one from the opposing company. The only time that their strength might either go up or down is when they're facing a character from their own company. For the most part, performance is pretty consistent.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

I'm not really sure that SFF, either reverse or otherwise, has much of anything to do with it. A lot of it will come down to the casual stroll-in votes...though Crono is the hero of CT, Magus tends to be more popular to many of those outside of GameFAQs.

If there is a big factor that will stop him, IMHO it will be fans wanting a repeat of Mario/Crono. Though that could work the other way as well...
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From this day forth, I shall work with my brothers, Smiling Spoon and Indifferent Knife, and shall let no possible peril hinder my path toward true justice!!

Crono will move past Magus. You don't need to realize how obvious this is, then again you don't need to do well in the contest.
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One less bracket for you to pwn? Don't you mean one less bracket that you can pwn?
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Gordon Freeman is your only option. ~Slowflake

No way. Magus may be popular but it's pretty clear where GameFAQs loyalties lie. I don't recall a case where the existence of reverse SFF has actually been proven

Super Mario Bros. 3 vs. The Legend of Zelda.

If THAT isn't reverse SFF, I don't know what is.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

No, that was not reverse SFF. Mario 3 is stronger than Legend of Zelda. Just because something Mario beat something Link doesn't mean there was reverse SFF.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

One less bracket for you to pwn? Don't you mean one less bracket that you can pwn?

I mean what I say. It's one less bracket on my way to victory, one less bracket for me to defeat. Wahahaha...

I'm not really sure that SFF, either reverse or otherwise, has much of anything to do with it.

Think again. SFF is one of the few crazy theories that has actually been proven to have merit. When two characters with similar fanbases are set against each other, the more popular character tends to trounce the less popular character of the fanbase much more than would normally be expected. A recent example of this from the spring contest would be Super Metroid vs. Link to the Past, where Super Metroid performed much worse than a game of its strength should have because its usual supporters jumped the fence to its adversary.

A lot of it will come down to the casual stroll-in votes...though Crono is the hero of CT, Magus tends to be more popular to many of those outside of GameFAQs.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Crono will get more of the casual vote than Magus, that's just common sense. If anything, Magus is more popular on the boards than he is in reality, as is Frog.

If there is a big factor that will stop him, IMHO it will be fans wanting a repeat of Mario/Crono. Though that could work the other way as well...

Most people vote in the moment, not to promote the occurrence of some later match. You're clueless. I know I'm being a little rude here but what you're saying is completely opposed to the reality of the situation and if you think this is the way it'll play out then you need a wake-up call. Crono will get more of the casual vote than Magus and there is absolutely no cause to debate that.
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week.

Frog CAN beat Solid Snake, and it will be the upset of the year when it happens...

Why will it happen? Well to summarize: Cause Snake has been just outright overrated for so long...he collapsed last year against Mega Man, the year before that he fell against CRONO!

The Steve Illuminated logic says this: Should every Crono fanboy stay loyal to the game they worship, along with the FF fanboys, RPG kiddies, Square supporters in general, etc and vote for Frog...its clearly a viable upset in the making.

And when it happens, I, the 1st expert here to call it back on July 1st when the bracket came out...shall have my ass kissed as much as Ulti does right now.

I look forward to this match more than any other in the first 3 rounds...the sound of broken brackets will be music to my ears as my high score shines bright over the leaderboard...with my commentary causing laughter all the way throughout :)

Yep...bye bye Snakey...and Mario too for that matter...the 3rd battle of Crono will take his faded butt out too.

Crono as Spring runner up is no fluke...its fanboys are rabid...and they WILL flex their muscles big time...though I feel bad for Magus...he is cooler than both of them but got the bad draw and has to fall to Crono early :(
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Steve Illumina: The Official Satirical Commentator of GameFAQ's Contests

Frog CAN beat Solid Snake, and it will be the upset of the year when it happens...

And then you woke up.

Why will it happen? Well to summarize: Cause Snake has been just outright overrated for so long...he collapsed last year against Mega Man, the year before that he fell against CRONO!

OMFG!

The Steve Illuminated logic says this: Should every Crono fanboy stay loyal to the game they worship, along with the FF fanboys, RPG kiddies, Square supporters in general, etc and vote for Frog...its clearly a viable upset in the making.

The problem being that Frog doesn't have the pull necessary to unite the Square supporters behind his banner.

And when it happens, I, the 1st expert here to call it back on July 1st when the bracket came out...shall have my ass kissed as much as Ulti does right now.

And I, being the first in this topic to officially mock your opinion, will laugh at you so hard when Frog loses that you'll feel like you're in one of those nightmares where you go to school naked.

Yep...bye bye Snakey...and Mario too for that matter...the 3rd battle of Crono will take his faded butt out too.

At least we agree on the latter point.
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week.

A bad draw for Magus? The matches in the Hyrule division are so forced it makes my head hurt. Yeah, CJayC only moved around a couple seeds, because I'm sure Yoshi and Luigi got more noms than Ganondorf and Magus. Same with Vercetti, Master Chief, and Kefka being seeded higher than Shadow and Tidus.
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Supporter of Frog in SC2k4!

And I, being the first in this topic to officially mock your opinion, will laugh at you so hard when Frog loses that you'll feel like you're in one of those nightmares where you go to school naked.

hahah, if Frog falls...I shall pay you worthy tribute in my sig...sweet smitelf :)
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Steve Illumina: The Official Satirical Commentator of GameFAQ's Contests

And I shall pay tribute to you in my sig, steve. Too bad for you that Frog doesn't have a prayer :)
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week.

A bad draw for Magus? The matches in the Hyrule division are so forced it makes my head hurt. Yeah, CJayC only moved around a couple seeds, because I'm sure Yoshi and Luigi got more noms than Ganondorf and Magus. Same with Vercetti, Master Chief, and Kefka being seeded higher than Shadow and Tidus.

Magus and Alucard got the worst of it IMHO. I hate seeing Alucard goin down in the 1st round...he dont deserve that. :(
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Steve Illumina: The Official Satirical Commentator of GameFAQ's Contests

^ If Frog wins, I mean, I'll pay tribute to you in my sig
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week.

And I shall pay tribute to you in my sig, steve. Too bad for you that Frog doesn't have a prayer :)

A friendly wager it is then! :)
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Steve Illumina: The Official Satirical Commentator of GameFAQ's Contests

I cannot imagine a scenario where CATS only received enough nominations to put him in as a 16 seed. The majority of these nominations come from those of us who live on the message boards, and from what I am gathering the message board NOMINATION support for CATS was just overwhelming.
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7/9 Noms got into the contest... Semifinalists(at heart): CATS, Luca Blight, Tommy Vercetti, Frog, Cloud, Sephiroth, KOS-MOS, Gordon Freeman

Magus and Alucard got the worst of it IMHO. I hate seeing Alucard goin down in the 1st round...he dont deserve that. :(

I kind of feel sorry for Protoman, myself. In a bracket not fixed by company, he might have had a chance of taking down some of the lesser characters. Alucard got totally screwed, though.

I also pity whoever does the extrapolated rankings for this year. There are going to be so many SFF adjustments to make that it makes my head hurt just thinking about it.
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week.

Er.. I think Ceej said some nominations were adjusted for characters that had a dedicated effort for getting them in (CATS, for example), as opposed to characters who got in without something like that.

Sorry, I meant seedings were adjusted >_>.

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Mega Man has absolutely no prayer of beating Link

Oh well, that's one less bracket for me to pwn.

What are you talking about? Your the one who is wrong here. Mega Man's beating Link see. ;)
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

...okay, i've lost track of who's being serious here and who isn't.

way to run a railroad guys...
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signature (n.): a random bit of gibberish that no one ever reads.

But wait, we're all in agreement that Link's taking this thing, right? Right?
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My name is Reggie. I'm about kicking ass. I'm about taking names, and we're about making games.

No, HM... "Mega Man has absolutely no prayer of beating Link" is correct....

Because Mega Man will be meeting with CRONO!
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I want to Laugh, I want to Play, I want watch the sunset in the sky. I just want know a better life before I die - Solar Twins: Better Life

But wait, we're all in agreement that Link's taking this thing, right? Right?

Sure....
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Moltar's Comics - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Moltar Fact 8: Moltar likes to play GunBound in his spare time.

We're not even all in agreement that Link will be beating Crono, let alone Mega Man or Sephiroth.
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I want to Laugh, I want to Play, I want watch the sunset in the sky. I just want know a better life before I die - Solar Twins: Better Life

Steve, if Frog beats Snake, I will bake you a pie of your personal choice, and I will not mutter the letter "e" again, until Solid Snake makes it to the final four or beyond in another Summer Contest.

However, if Snake does beat Frog, I will make an entire topic that makes fun of you and your incredibly insane predictions.
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"psp has touch screem" - youngfossil

I am still taking it that Cloud will win again this year regardless of anti-votes for a repeat champ.. there just won't be enough votes to affect the outcome.. But yes, the only possible character that could take down Cloud is probably Link, not sephiroth or anyone else..

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"I just wanna protect the people I'm with. Doesn't matter whether I can or not. It's what I believe in."
-Zidane (Final Fantasy IX)

Heroic Mario, I agree with you, and I'm pretty sure we had the same Final Four, which was Link v Mega Man and Cloud vs. Samus, with MM and Cloud in the Final.

Personally, I see this as an upset tournament for once. I think Shadow could beat Tidus, as he's won Pre-Polls, and he's generally not as liked of a main FF character as far as I've seen. Auron will do well for the first few rounds, too, as he seems to be the one character that people really liked in FFX that kept them playing.

Bottom line for me this year, is that I think Cloud nor Mario have any chance at winning. I have Mega Man winning, bringing back my "upset" tournament thought. Crono will beat Mario, and as far as I have, someone will beat Cloud in the final, because most of those bottom two brackets are a joke.
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Zephirias - The Lord of Chaos
Taking control of the Interweb, one IE security hole at a time.

...okay, i've lost track of who's being serious here and who isn't.

I'm serious.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Tightass is being handicapped by his crappy reputation as a FF hero. Again. His match against Claire Redfield was supposed to be a toss-up, Sonic was supposed to completely slaughter him, and Ganondorf had an easy victory as well. See where I'm going? Does Tidus falling short by less than 2000 votes against Ganondorf not impress someone? ANYONE?

Frog over Solid Snake? Psh. If Crono fans vote Frog, he'll win... give me a duh. You know when that trashy excuse for a logic arose last year? Ganondorf vs. Magus, still at the time when Magus was thought to be the #1 threat to Link's championship. He turned out not to be, and Ganondorf STILL couldn't beat him. I could also mention Samus vs. Ken and Wario vs. Shadow...

Back to Frog/Snake. It's not for nothing that Snake/Magus would be a nearly impossible match to predict should it ever occur... but for that Frog would need to be stronger than Magus. Granted, by the time you meet Magus for the first time you recruited Frog not once, but TWICE, but Magus is the closest thing CT had to an active villain (at least for 80% of the game). And we all know that non-written law that villains > fan-favorites. Yes, I'm aware that Magus is technically a fan-favorite, since he turns out to be a good guy, but that's besides the point.
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SC2K4 Status - Elite 8: LINK, Mario, MEGAMAN, Snake, CLOUD, Sephiroth, Sonic, SAMUS

Just because Cloud has the easiest roud to the elite 8 doens't mean he'll go limp afterwards. If Seph doesn't beat Cloud it'll be hard for anyone to. And don't say Seph can't, our voter pool has been tampered, and we lack any sort of control data. Quite frankly it's anybodies game again, in a manner.
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I want to Laugh, I want to Play, I want watch the sunset in the sky. I just want know a better life before I die - Solar Twins: Better Life

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Heroic Mario
3 - Sephirot1
4 - Ringworm
5 - Tnote827
6 - charmander6000
7 - DaruniaTheKing
8 - SteveIllumina
9 - Nightmare 45
10 - Krusty the Klown
11 - Red Sox 777
12 - Naye745
13 - Starion
14 - Yesmar
15 - swirldude
16 - King Morgoth
17 - jonthomson
18 - Z1mZum
19 - DomaDragoon
20 - Alanna82
21 - FastFalcon05
22 - andaca
23 - TyRaNuS
24 - Lieutenant Kettch
25 - Scoop Li
26 - FrostHarpy
27 - yoblazer33
28 - irriadin
29 - Haunter12O
30 - Aprosenf
31 - BeTheMan
32 - RamzaB
33 - Mac Arrowny
34 - Tai
35 - Cavemanbob
36 - Tarrot
37 - Phediuk
38 - TheCalmness
39 - nifboy
40 - WiggumFan267
41 - perdevious
42 - Haste2
43 - Yokel
44 - Qwaar
45 - MasterMage119
46 - arkenaga
47 - Shadowdude
48 - Tequilla Gundam
49 - Ziwei
50 - smitelf
51 - Heroic Knuckles
52 - StopPokingMe
53 - cyko
54 - Salient
55 - Sir Chris
56 - TheRye
57 - Rufus Shinra 18
58 - nh82
59 - Steinershocker
60 - Smurf Thy Legend
61 - BocaSE
62 - Garsha II
63 - A Hogasm IN POG FORM
64 - PregnantPrincess
65 - CrAzYCarl73
66 - Bananaquest
67 - Lone Saiyajin
68 - Aeon Azuran
69 - Fett0001
70 - Fantusta
71 - Dilated Chemist
72 - BFitz310
73- ChichiriMuyo
74 - Lucid Faia
75 - HaRRicH
76 - MMXcalibur
77 - Captain Roy Falcon

It is preposterous to think that Link will lose to Megaman, or for Crono to beat Link, let alone Mario.
Mario again has the advantage this time in MvC3, for a multitude of reasons. Firstly, to silence the "CT beat SMB3, so nyah" people, realize that Mario > all of his games, while Crono < CT. Secondly, Crono has had nothing that would boost his popularity since last year, while Mario has had a few games with his name in the title. MK:DD, while not starring Mario, was extremely popular, and can be counted on for at least a small increase in votes. Thirdly, CJayC would never let it happen.

Even if, through some bizarre alignment of Jupiter and Uranus, Crono pulls through, you're committing bracket suicide if you have him beating Link. Link is a top tier competitor, while Crono is second tier. Additionally, Crono loses a bit of the badass vote against Link, and Link is more popular than Mario. All this weighs heavily in Link's favor. Just look at the extrapolated stats. Also, perhaps you may have heard of a little trade show called E3? And a particular trailer that stole the show? Trailers have never really affected any of the matches, sure enough, but this will be otherwise, I'd reckon.

As for Mega Man beating Link, you need to wake the hell up. Mega Man is awesome, in all incarnations. I have most of the NES games and the SNES one, not to mention the MMX's. I have three of the MMBN series. Mega Man is among the best characters ever. However, Mega Man will never, ever beat Link here at Gamefaqs, even with MMBN4 and MMAC.
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Nominate Geno for the Summer Contest!
All Your pH level>7 Are Belong To Us. - DarkRaptorX

Slowflake brings up an interesting point about Tidus. I didn't wanna comment on this but since it's only worth one point I say "who cares"? I looked DIRECTLY at Tidus' performance against Ganondorf last year to gauge his strength. To me, this match has Luigi vs. Squall written all over it. You guys DO remember that right? Squall was supposed to be a hated FF lead character (although he had Snake in his way the year before). But somehow he beat Jill Valentine, opened up a (slightly) BIGGER can on Luigi, and then took almost 42% from SAMUS. I think Tidus has that potential in him since his game has a larger fanbase. Don't be surprised if you see FANTA commercials being brought out again for Tidus vs. Shadow.....
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Heroic Mario
3 - Sephirot1
4 - Ringworm
5 - Tnote827
6 - charmander6000
7 - DaruniaTheKing
8 - SteveIllumina
9 - Nightmare 45
10 - Krusty the Klown
11 - Red Sox 777
12 - Naye745
13 - Starion
14 - Yesmar
15 - swirldude
16 - King Morgoth
17 - jonthomson
18 - Z1mZum
19 - DomaDragoon
20 - Alanna82
21 - FastFalcon05
22 - andaca
23 - TyRaNuS
24 - Lieutenant Kettch
25 - Scoop Li
26 - FrostHarpy
27 - yoblazer33
28 - irriadin
29 - Haunter12O
30 - Aprosenf
31 - BeTheMan
32 - RamzaB
33 - Mac Arrowny
34 - Tai
35 - Cavemanbob
36 - Tarrot
37 - Phediuk
38 - TheCalmness
39 - nifboy
40 - WiggumFan267
41 - perdevious
42 - Haste2
43 - Yokel
44 - Qwaar
45 - MasterMage119
46 - arkenaga
47 - Shadowdude
48 - Tequilla Gundam
49 - Ziwei
50 - smitelf
51 - Heroic Knuckles
52 - StopPokingMe
53 - cyko
54 - Salient
55 - Sir Chris
56 - TheRye
57 - Rufus Shinra 18
58 - nh82
59 - Steinershocker
60 - Smurf Thy Legend
61 - BocaSE
62 - Garsha II
63 - A Hogasm IN POG FORM
64 - PregnantPrincess
65 - Bananaquest
66 - Lone Saiyajin
67 - Aeon Azuran
68 - Fett0001
79 - Fantusta
70 - Dilated Chemist
71 - BFitz310
72- ChichiriMuyo
73 - Lucid Faia
74 - HaRRicH
75 - MMXcalibur
76 - Captain Roy Falcon

Eh, I'm dropping out.
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Damnant quod non intellegunt

Quick question.... what exactly are the links to the extrapolated data from the past 3 contests? I never save the link.

And also, does anyone know where in the archives is the data for the Mario vs. Crono match from last year? I have to do some more "studying".

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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Hmm. I do remember that, actually. I had Jill, then Luigi winning. That was, other than having Link and Mario in the finals, the reason my bracket died last year. >_<
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Nominate Geno for the Summer Contest!
All Your pH level>7 Are Belong To Us. - DarkRaptorX

I'd like to join if I can...

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Heroic Mario
3 - Sephirot1
4 - Ringworm
5 - Tnote827
6 - charmander6000
7 - DaruniaTheKing
8 - SteveIllumina
9 - Nightmare 45
10 - Krusty the Klown
11 - Red Sox 777
12 - Naye745
13 - Starion
14 - Yesmar
15 - swirldude
16 - King Morgoth
17 - jonthomson
18 - Z1mZum
19 - DomaDragoon
20 - Alanna82
21 - FastFalcon05
22 - andaca
23 - TyRaNuS
24 - Lieutenant Kettch
25 - Scoop Li
26 - FrostHarpy
27 - yoblazer33
28 - irriadin
29 - Haunter12O
30 - Aprosenf
31 - BeTheMan
32 - RamzaB
33 - Mac Arrowny
34 - Tai
35 - Cavemanbob
36 - Tarrot
37 - Phediuk
38 - TheCalmness
39 - nifboy
40 - WiggumFan267
41 - perdevious
42 - Haste2
43 - Yokel
44 - Qwaar
45 - MasterMage119
46 - arkenaga
47 - Shadowdude
48 - Tequilla Gundam
49 - Ziwei
50 - smitelf
51 - Heroic Knuckles
52 - StopPokingMe
53 - cyko
54 - Salient
55 - Sir Chris
56 - TheRye
57 - Rufus Shinra 18
58 - nh82
59 - Steinershocker
60 - Smurf Thy Legend
61 - BocaSE
62 - Garsha II
63 - A Hogasm IN POG FORM
64 - PregnantPrincess
65 - Bananaquest
66 - Lone Saiyajin
67 - Aeon Azuran
68 - Fett0001
79 - Fantusta
70 - Dilated Chemist
71 - BFitz310
72- ChichiriMuyo
73 - Lucid Faia
74 - HaRRicH
75 - MMXcalibur
76 - Captain Roy Falcon
77 - franmars

Yeah you better be scared. If anyone doubts my ability for statistical analysis then they better check this topic:
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=14995431

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Link kills baby seals.

Quick question.... what exactly are the links to the extrapolated data from the past 3 contests? I never save the link.

http://sc2k4.com/
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Link kills baby seals.

I also pity whoever does the extrapolated rankings for this year. There are going to be so many SFF adjustments to make that it makes my head hurt just thinking about it.

I guess I’ll do it. I did 2002 and 2003 so I guess I should do 2004.

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LUE is a cancer, and if it can't be destroyed, it must be contained. - CjayC

As for Mega Man beating Link, you need to wake the hell up.

Wake up? Mega Man beating Link is not as farfetched as you make it seem.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

FFVII: Probably the most consistently popular board on GameFAQs. Whaddya know? It won the contest.

FFX: It's been in the top ten since the day it was released.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

Not Farfetch'd, but Magikarp instead.

Bad puns aside, it's not only Tidus that's underestimated because of his reputation, but Alucard is also overestimated for the same reason. Ryu whooped Duke's ass far worse than Alucard did... and I don't see anyone doubting Ganondorf would beat Ryu!
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SC2K4 Status - Elite 8: LINK, Mario, MEGAMAN, Snake, CLOUD, Sephiroth, Sonic, SAMUS

01 Spider-Man 2 - PS2
02 Spider-Man 2 - XBOX
03 Mega Man BN 4 Red - GBA
04 Grand Theft Auto: Vice City - PS2
05 Ragnarok Online - PC

Now, pray tell, where is SSBM?
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SC2K4 Status - Elite 8: LINK, Mario, MEGAMAN, Snake, CLOUD, Sephiroth, Sonic, SAMUS

>_>

01 Super Smash Bros. Melee - GCN
02 Spider-Man 2 - XBOX
03 Mega Man BN 4 Red - GBA
04 Grand Theft Auto: Vice City - PS2
05 Ragnarok Online - PC

Right there.
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Nominate Geno for the Summer Contest!
All Your pH level>7 Are Belong To Us. - DarkRaptorX

Not Farfetch'd, but Magikarp instead.

Splash! =p
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Caveman: I will take a Lemon Meringue Pie :)

Frog over Solid Snake? Psh. If Crono fans vote Frog, he'll win... give me a duh. You know when that trashy excuse for a logic arose last year? Ganondorf vs. Magus, still at the time when Magus was thought to be the #1 threat to Link's championship. He turned out not to be, and Ganondorf STILL couldn't beat him. I could also mention Samus vs. Ken and Wario vs. Shadow...

Yes..but Magus went up against a Nintendo character...Snakey is a miscellaneous character, and the King of the Miscellaneous is the Blue Bomber, who owned Snake nicely last year. I still stand by my bold prediction...that Snake is ripe for the upset...Frog has so many intangibles in his favor...

The Crono fan factor...
The Cute Amphibian fan factor...
The Cartoony fan factor...
The RPG 4 Life fan factor...
The Square fan factor...
The Old School RPG fan factor...

Snake will draw lots of votes yes, but be barely beaten by the lovable huggable Froggy...

And if villians are so great..why did Sephy choke to Cloud? And Kefka choke to Crono last year and now Knuckles this year??

So ad for Frog beating Snake...I can smell this upset like poop in a toddler's crusty diaper!
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Steve Illumina: The Official Satirical Commentator of GameFAQ's Contests

People dismissing the possibility of Frog defeating Snake are likely in for a surprise. I don't expect Frog to win, but he is unlikely to receive less than 43-45% of the vote, IMO.

The possibility of Frog winning that match is definitely not trivial.
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Anyone who doesn`t look at a picture of an amphibian knight in awe needs to rethink their purpose in this mortal coil. --Ulti
SC2K4.com/frog

So ad for Frog beating Snake...I can smell this upset like poop in a toddler's crusty diaper!

No, I think that's just your bracket.
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Nominate Geno for the Summer Contest!
All Your pH level>7 Are Belong To Us. - DarkRaptorX

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=991


Aeris got 46 percent on Solid Snake in that poll. Frog will not beat Solid Snake. Magus barely beat Ganondorf who barely beat Tidus. Aeris is much popular than Tidus and there is no way Frog is a lot more popular than Magus. Frog if anything, is a tad lower than Magus in popularity, maybe even lower. I do not believe he is as strong as Magus as there are a lot of people on this board who don't even know who he is and Magus was in last year's contest, so he is a lot more known.
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Do not come between the Nazgul and his prey-Witch King

errr... 43 percent not 46
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Do not come between the Nazgul and his prey-Witch King

Aeris is much popular than Tidus

I beg to differ.

Anyway, Snake will NOT break 60% against Frog, but he won't lose either.
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SC2K4 Status - Elite 8: LINK, Mario, MEGAMAN, Snake, CLOUD, Sephiroth, Sonic, SAMUS

Ya, I think Frog will get 41-2% against Snake, no lower than that though.
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Do not come between the Nazgul and his prey-Witch King

I see Frog getting around 45% myself.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

My dear Froggy...do not fail me now...speak to the hearts of every gamer who has ever touched a copy of Chrono...who has ever fought Yakra XIII with a bottle of Mountain Dew in one hand and a fist full of Fritos in the other.

My dear Froggy...do not fail me now...vanquish the hopes and dreams of a few Snake supporters...and be the catalyst that propels me to contest glory!

My dear Froggy...do not fail me now! :)
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Steve Illumina: The Official Satirical Commentator of GameFAQ's Contests

For everyone saying that Crono < CT, the name of the game is Chrono Trigger. I'm sure that helps him get votes.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

On the subject of Link, I should think it is pretty obvious that the only two characters that have a chance of taking him down are Cloud and Sephiroth. Just look at the extrapolated rankings, for God’s sake:

1. Cloud - 50%
2. Link - 48.39%
3. Sephiroth - 48.11%
4. Mega Man - 37.35%

The top three competitors are in a whole other realm of popularity. I don’t see how there could be any reasonable expectation of Mega Man beating Link.

But yes, the only possible character that could take down Cloud is probably Link, not sephiroth or anyone else..

I disagree. Sephiroth’s chances of beating Cloud are only slightly less than Link’s, IMO. Link would have the advantage because I find it hard to believe that Sephiroth’s popularity would increase while Cloud’s would stay the same or decrease; they would tend to move together, thus always putting Cloud above Sephiroth. On the other hand, the decreased traffic to the site could mean a slight shift in voter preferences (since the voters have changed) and considering the slight difference of less than 2% between Cloud and Sephiroth already, I would say that Sephiroth’s chances of victory are significant.

Personally, I see this as an upset tournament for once. I think Shadow could beat Tidus, as he's won Pre-Polls, and he's generally not as liked of a main FF character as far as I've seen.

Yeah, well, just to give you a heads up on this one, CATS won the pre-poll against Cloud last year, so pre-polls don’t mean **** all. Also, Tidus isn’t the most well-liked of the FF main characters but that didn’t stop Squall from beating Luigi last year to the surprise of many. The moral of the story is to not underestimate any Final Fantasy character.

Auron will do well for the first few rounds, too, as he seems to be the one character that people really liked in FFX that kept them playing.

I would have liked to see a Tidus vs. Auron match in this tournament. I really think that Tidus would win, if only because it is very difficult for a supporting cast member to beat the main character in a poll – near impossible, even, with Sephiroth possibly being the only character who could come close to achieving that. However, by the time the ’05 contest comes along, we may see Kingdom Hearts 2, with Auron as a member of the cast in that game, which I think could tip the scales in his favor in such a match for next year. Anyway, Auron should do well this year until hitting the brick wall known as Sephiroth.

Bottom line for me this year, is that I think Cloud nor Mario have any chance at winning.

Mario didn’t have a chance of winning last year and he doesn’t have a chance of winning this year; that’s pretty obvious. Saying Cloud doesn’t have any chance of winning this year, however, would be tantamount to saying that Link had no chance last year. The defending champion should be an automatic favorite, especially with no new heavy hitters joining the bracket. Now, that’s not to say I intend to have Cloud winning in my bracket but to say that he has no chance at winning is absurd.
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Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week.

I have Mega Man winning, bringing back my "upset" tournament thought. Crono will beat Mario, and as far as I have, someone will beat Cloud in the final, because most of those bottom two brackets are a joke.

There is no reasonable way for Mega Man to win. There is no Kingdom Hearts factor in his favor and there is no reason to believe the voting bloc here has changed its preferences to the point of bringing Mega Man’s popularity up by enough to score a victory against Link. Jesus, sometimes I think you people were asleep last year. Even if you weren’t here, at least look at last year’s results. Mega Man got utterly trounced by Sephiroth. Give me a good reason why he could beat the big three this year and then we’ll talk but for now the only characters with a reasonable expectation of victory are Cloud, Link, and Sephiroth. I know the voter pool has changed significantly since last year but making up 10% in the extrapolated rankings is no laughing matter and I see no reason why the new voter pool would be so dramatically pro-Mega Man.

Tightass is being handicapped by his crappy reputation as a FF hero. Again. His match against Claire Redfield was supposed to be a toss-up, Sonic was supposed to completely slaughter him, and Ganondorf had an easy victory as well. See where I'm going? Does Tidus falling short by less than 2000 votes against Ganondorf not impress someone? ANYONE?

It impresses me. As I keep saying, one should always think twice before betting against a Final Fantasy character. In a match as close as Tidus’ match against Knuckles, it’s better to give Final Fantasy (in this case, in the form of Tidus) the edge. He’s obviously popular enough, guys. He got more nominations than Aeris, Vincent, etc. so he has some fans. Don’t underestimate him.

Frog over Solid Snake? Psh. If Crono fans vote Frog, he'll win... give me a duh. You know when that trashy excuse for a logic arose last year? Ganondorf vs. Magus, still at the time when Magus was thought to be the #1 threat to Link's championship. He turned out not to be, and Ganondorf STILL couldn't beat him. I could also mention Samus vs. Ken and Wario vs. Shadow...

Precisely. Frog does not have Crono’s fanbase behind him 100%, guys. He will not do as well as Crono. He won’t even do as well as Magus, who is far cooler looking and clearly more popular since he managed to get into the contest a year earlier.

Back to Frog/Snake. It's not for nothing that Snake/Magus would be a nearly impossible match to predict should it ever occur... but for that Frog would need to be stronger than Magus. Granted, by the time you meet Magus for the first time you recruited Frog not once, but TWICE, but Magus is the closest thing CT had to an active villain (at least for 80% of the game). And we all know that non-written law that villains > fan-favorites. Yes, I'm aware that Magus is technically a fan-favorite, since he turns out to be a good guy, but that's besides the point.

Yup, look at the extrapolated rankings. Magus is less than a percent below Solid Snake. It’s not logical to assume that Frog would be equal to Magus – if he was, he would have been around last year. He’s not even equal to Magus as a fan-favorite, yet alone a crowd favorite. He’s going to bomb in that match and leave a lot of screwed brackets in his wake.
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week.

Don't even think for a second that Link's trailer will have ANY impact whatsoever. Honestly, being in a video game that was released the week of Cloud vs. Link didn't help him at all. Why would a trailer for a game that won't be released any time soon and that quite a bit of the voters might not have seen put him over the top?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

Mario again has the advantage this time in MvC3, for a multitude of reasons. Firstly, to silence the "CT beat SMB3, so nyah" people, realize that Mario > all of his games, while Crono < CT. Secondly, Crono has had nothing that would boost his popularity since last year, while Mario has had a few games with his name in the title. MK:DD, while not starring Mario, was extremely popular, and can be counted on for at least a small increase in votes. Thirdly, CJayC would never let it happen.

Your first reason is valid but since that doesn’t figure into my argument for Crono’s victory it doesn’t really matter to me. Eh, I’ll get to this when I do my match analysis, but in short, Crono has a better chance at winning this year than ever before.

Even if, through some bizarre alignment of Jupiter and Uranus, Crono pulls through, you're committing bracket suicide if you have him beating Link.

On that, we can agree.

Also, perhaps you may have heard of a little trade show called E3? And a particular trailer that stole the show? Trailers have never really affected any of the matches, sure enough, but this will be otherwise, I'd reckon.

That’s a load of crap. The E3 trailer won’t change anything because most people really don’t follow E3, as shocking as that may be to us, let alone vote for a particular character because of a particular trailer they saw on a website with a Link who looks suspiciously like Legolas.

<TMI>(Not that I don’t like Legolas; any incarnation of Orlando Bloom is worthy of sexual fantasies)</TMI>
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week.

For everyone saying that Crono < CT, the name of the game is Chrono Trigger. I'm sure that helps him get votes.

Yeah.... for a few dumbasses who never played the game but vote for it anyway.... And the same thing sure as hell doesn't apply to Zelda.

And as for Aeris > Tidus, I believe it. It was a fluke that Tidus got as far as he did--a direct match of him against Magus would result in Tidus being pwned, big time. Tidus garnered votes by being against a Nintendo villian--who tend to suffer from villian vs hero anti-votes more than other villians. Magus then failed to gain that dichotomy advantage, being a pure anti-hero rather than a main character.

Of course, this year will show whether or not I am right. Here's to hoping.....
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On the subject of Link, I should think it is pretty obvious that the only two characters that have a chance of taking him down are Cloud and Sephiroth. Just look at the extrapolated rankings, for God’s sake:

I don't think there are only two characters who have a shot at Link. Mega Man has the ability to beat Link this year much more than he had last year.

The top three competitors are in a whole other realm of popularity. I don’t see how there could be any reasonable expectation of Mega Man beating Link.

I hate when people think there are only going to be three possible winners for this thing every year. I do believe that Link will lose to Mega Man this year, despite what the stats say. I've said many times there isn't a way in the world statistics will back Mega Man, but then again they don't need to back you for you to win.

There is no reasonable way for Mega Man to win. There is no Kingdom Hearts factor in his favor and there is no reason to believe the voting bloc here has changed its preferences to the point of bringing Mega Man’s popularity up by enough to score a victory against Link.

There just so happens to be a game that is planned on giving Mega Man quite the boost as opposed to last year. It surely wouldn't be the sole reason for his increase, but it's called a risk pick for a reason. To say Mega Man has no chance of beating Link is about as bad as saying Cloud has this entire thing won before we even get started.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

It was a fluke that Tidus got as far as he did--a direct match of him against Magus would result in Tidus being pwned, big time.

I'm just going to go on the record and say that Tidus would NOT suffer from SFF against Magus. His margin of defeat would only be slightly larger than against Ganondorf.

Plus, I don't see how you can say Tidus is a fluke. He performed just about equally both years.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

The only reason it's difficult for people to perceive that Tidus would actually beat Aeris and come reasonably close to beating Magus is because, quite frankly, it's Tidus. His high popularity just doesn't add up, even to fans of his like me.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

Steve, the only pie you'll be tasting will be the bitter Pie of Defeat that I throw into your face as Snake proves once and for all to little Frog-Woggy that reptiles > amphibians.
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And as for Aeris > Tidus, I believe it. It was a fluke that Tidus got as far as he did--a direct match of him against Magus would result in Tidus being pwned, big time. Tidus garnered votes by being against a Nintendo villian--who tend to suffer from villian vs hero anti-votes more than other villians. Magus then failed to gain that dichotomy advantage, being a pure anti-hero rather than a main character.

If this were true, then how do you explain Ganondorf doing well against Magus also? Ganondorf should have suffered equally from being a Nintendo villain against Magus. If that were the case, and what you are saying was true about Tidus, then Magus should have killed Ganondorf. I stand by my opinion that Tidus is a sleeper (at least for the first round).

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I think people will be surprised to see how well Tidus does against Mega Man.

Just for the record, according to the extrapolated, what should Tidus get?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

You're a Tidus fanboy? Ugh.... did NOT need to know that, but whatever....

I'm just going to go on the record and say that Tidus would NOT suffer from SFF against Magus.

And you know this because......? Tidus has never had to face another Square character. Tidus and Magus have completely different personalities, and I'm of a fashion of thinking that Tidus is some sort of Nintendo-version Mario--incapable of pulling a significant win, loses in close matches and popular only because of the success of his game (and possibly because you could rename him). Add this to the 5% gap in performance already existing between Aeris and Tidus (against the weakening Sonic, but even so....) and I think Aeris could have taken Tidus if they met.
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If this were true, then how do you explain Ganondorf doing well against Magus also? Ganondorf should have suffered equally from being a Nintendo villain against Magus. If that were the case, and what you are saying was true about Tidus, then Magus should have killed Ganondorf. I stand by my opinion that Tidus is a sleeper (at least for the first round).

I'm not going to repeat myself. Well, just this once.

Magus then failed to gain that dichotomy advantage, being a pure anti-hero rather than a main character.

There you go. The anti-vote applies to clear-cut hero vs villain matches only, and as it has been pointed out earlier, the average player probably thinks of Magus as more of a villain anyway. (Doesn't speak well for him in the second round ;_;)

Now THIS will be pretty well proven by the end of the contest.
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Tidus has to deal with Shadow first, and should he make it past that I couldn't possibly imagine him doing well against Mega Man.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Wow, I didn't realize liking a character automatically makes you a fanboy.

Well, there's the generation gap theory for SFF. Magus is from the SNES era, and Tidus is from the PS2 era, so their fanbases could be more diversified. I dunno if the theory has any merit or not, but it's a viable explanation as to why. If it's true, Aeris wouldn't be able to gain the SFF necessary to make up the gap against Tidus either.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

Just for the record, according to the extrapolated, what should Tidus get?

39.38% in 2K2, 44.36% last year. (Tidus stayed the same but Mega Man went down)
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should he make it past that I couldn't possibly imagine him doing well against Mega Man.

And why is this so hard to imagine? Because it's Tidus. It's hard to look past who he is. Honestly, would you even hesitate to put Ganondorf over Shadow, even though they're virtually even in the rankings?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

Wow, I didn't realize liking a character automatically makes you a fanboy.

No, being a Tidus fan, being male, and being relatively young (admittedly, the latter two are only assumptions) makes you a fanboy. *rimshot*

As for the generation gap, you may be right, but I don't think there's enough of a gap between PSX and PS2 to justify Tidus being free of the SFF factor. And there aren't enough pure PS2 gamers here anyway. But I repeat myself.
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And why is this so hard to imagine? Because it's Tidus. It's hard to look past who he is. Honestly, would you even hesitate to put Ganondorf over Shadow, even though they're virtually even in the rankings?

Do you really have to ask me why I think that?
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Oh and I never hesitated putting Ganondorf over Tidus so I wouldn't think about doing it to Shadow either.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Well, the gap between Cloud and Auron is only PSX and PS2. Plus, you're comparing characters from the same games with Aeris and Tidus, too.

And I'm 18, by the way.

Do you really have to ask me why I think that?

No, just making a general statement about how underestimated Tidus is. Heh, if he gets as much against Mega Man as the extrapolated rankings say he should, you can kiss your bracket goodbye. Heck, if he even breaks 40%, you're in trouble.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

No, just making a general statement about how underestimated Tidus is. Heh, if he gets as much against Mega Man as the extrapolated rankings say he should, you can kiss your bracket goodbye. Heck, if he even breaks 40%, you're in trouble.

True, true.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Well, there's a big difference between this year and last year. You didn't know what Ganon and Shadow were capable of then, and you do now. If you wouldn't hesitate now, then I don't see why you wouldn't be leaning toward Tidus to win that match, especially if you think Shadow's performance against Mario was only a fluke.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

Well, there's the generation gap theory for SFF. Magus is from the SNES era, and Tidus is from the PS2 era, so their fanbases could be more diversified. I dunno if the theory has any merit or not, but it's a viable explanation as to why. If it's true, Aeris wouldn't be able to gain the SFF necessary to make up the gap against Tidus either.

I agree with this. In fact I have hypothesized that this played a huge role in the Game contest. For instance, I think SMW vs. Sonic 2 might've been SFF-influenced, even though it was a Nintendo vs. Sega match-up. I think generational loyalties are a huge thing. Especially when it comes to the older divisions--I don't think they're as big for newer games.

Also, check out the known instances of character contest SFF we've seen. Mario vs. DK and Crono vs. Kefka (though the latter wasn't nearly as big). Old-school vs. old-school, and SNES RPG vs. SNES RPG. Aeris vs. Sora might also have been SFF, but while Aeris is from the previous generation they were in the same PS2 game. (though I'm not entirely convinced about SFF here, Sora might just be a weakling)

And why is this so hard to imagine? Because it's Tidus. It's hard to look past who he is.

Indeed. People always seem to underrate the guy.

If anyone recalls, I only had one bold prediction for SC2K3. It was actually a series of predictions. It went like this:

1) People would underrate Tidus.
2) People would say that Ganon's performance was disappointing if Tidus almost beat him, or if Tidus in fact won.
3) People would say that the winner of Tidus/Ganon would lose by a lot to Magus. People would think that Ganon would lose by a lot because he "bombed" against Tidus; they would think that Tidus would lose by a lot despite beating Ganon because people would've discounted Ganon since he lost to Tidus.
4) After Magus didn't beat Ganon/Tidus by much, people would underestimate him.
5) After Link didn't totally crush Magus, people would mistakenly say that Link was vulnerable and that he might lose to Samus.

The last part didn't come true, in terms of people underestimating Link--I'm not sure why, because people were calling Magus a flop, and yet his performance against Link was right what you would've expected and quite good. In order to be a flop he would've had to do much worse than that.

But the rest was spot on. People underestimating Tidus did lead to a chain reaction of them underestimating Ganon and then Magus, just like I predicted. Now people seem to have more respect for Magus and Ganon, but at the time they did not.

This is why Slowflake's pet theory about Tidus imroving is totally wrong--I was yelling at everybody last year that Tidus was being vastly underestimated. Everyone treated him like a jobber, rather than the guy who was the 11th strongest character in SC2K2. I saw people underestimating Tidus coming from a mile away. He didn't perform significantly better against Ganon than he would've in 2K2.
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Anyone who doesn`t look at a picture of an amphibian knight in awe needs to rethink their purpose in this mortal coil. --Ulti
SC2K4.com/frog

especially if you think Shadow's performance against Mario was only a fluke.

I'm not one to buy into the fluke deal. I just saw Mario vs. Shadow being a Mario vs. Sonic.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Magus then failed to gain that dichotomy advantage, being a pure anti-hero rather than a main character

I had already read this... I was just curious and wanted you to elaborate. It seems like you contradict yourself when discussing Magus' position. Oh well, forget it.

I'm glad someone pointed out that situation of Shadow and Ganondorf being near even in the extrapolated rankings. Even though stats may say one thing, sometimes you just have to look at matches outside of the stats.

What would you guys say about these match-ups, even though the rankings are nearly even?

Zero vs. Shadow
Knuckles vs. Kirby

These may be bad cases though....
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Well, if you think Shadow got more votes against Mario than he should have due to it being treated like Mario-Sonic, that's all the more reason to believe Tidus will win.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

Shadow ranked very close to Sonic too and with Shadow looking almost exactly like him I'm going with Shadow. It is only one point, one I'd like to get mind you, but I think Shadow will pull it off. There's no personal preference in this match either as I think both of them suck.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Zero and Knuckles are who I would pick for those matches.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

I'm just curious, but do the anti-Cloud votes count for anything in his match against Sephiroth this year?
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I would also say Zero and Knuckles.
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Nominate Geno for the Summer Contest!
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FFX: It's been in the top ten since the day it was released.

And which game did FFX lose to? Super Smash Bros. Melee, which is also one of the most consistently popular game boardss on GameFAQs.

Face it: board activity gives us a fair idea of how popular a game is on GameFAQs.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

I'd take Zero over Shadow. Knuckles vs. Kirby would just be evil though, as they both rank high on my list of favorite characters. I'd take Knux to win.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

creativename:

I agree with this. In fact I have hypothesized that this played a huge role in the Game contest. For instance, I think SMW vs. Sonic 2 might've been SFF-influenced, even though it was a Nintendo vs. Sega match-up. I think generational loyalties are a huge thing. Especially when it comes to the older divisions--I don't think they're as big for newer games.


I was thinking that sounded a bit daft, but then thought about it for a couple of seconds and realised that it was perfectly true. Both games were on the same level of platform, are of the same genre and are regarded by many as the best game in their genre on their system. I certainly SFF'ed and bracket voted (and having a FAQ-voted) towards SMW on that one. Although there's not many games I'd have voted for against Sonic 2. In that division, only SF2 and Super Metroid. Maybe Doom. Quite a few in the 8-bit division but practically none in the new half of the draw. Looking at Goldeneye, Metroid Prime (now that I've played it, not at the time), Vice City. End.

If the poll was in 1992, the idea of SFF in Mario World-Sonic 2 would have been laughed out of the internet.
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Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Hey, guys, I have a question for you all...

...why is Sonic still part of the Noble Nine? Everyone seems to be with the general consensus that both Magus and Ganondorf (hell, even Tidus by this point, despite getting only 41% in 2002-Zero and Aeris also have a shot) would beat him, should the Blue Blur meet either of them.

Can't we just officially eject him from the Noble Nine and have Magus take his spot? Or do we need direct proof first?
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Did you miss that whole "Sonic's a 1 seed, what?" episode about a week ago?
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Jon Thomson - final score : 138/192
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Sonic's not a #1 seed for no reason. He's still very popular here and worthy of his status as part of the Noble Nine. He would either have to get beaten more than 55/45 against Samus or lose before he even reaches her before I would consider kicking him out of the Noble Nine.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

Can't we just officially eject him from the Noble Nine and have Magus take his spot? Or do we need direct proof first?

We need direct proof. And the only proof we'll get is that Sonic is No.1!!!!!!1!!!!</fanboyism>
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Magus would have to beat Sonic before he could get in, or Sonic would have to totally bomb. I see neither happening, ever.
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http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=14977390

Sonic's not a #1 seed for no reason. He's still very popular here and worthy of his status as part of the Noble Nine. He would either have to get beaten more than 55/45 against Samus or lose before he even reaches her before I would consider kicking him out of the Noble Nine.

I agree. In fact, I think his second rounder against Ryu(SF) with tell us alot about his current popularity since I think he'll be the toughest of his first three opponents.
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Nomination Accuracy - 2/10: Morrigan, Aya, Strider, Chun-Li, Slayer, Nightmare, Taki, Zero, Dr Wily, Viewtiful Joe

I hope Sonic does bomb this year and loses that spot. Hopefully Samus makes him look like a fool when shes faces him, right after Ryu gets nearly 45% on Sonic. =)
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

I'm actually expecting Ryu to pull in 45% myself.
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Nomination Accuracy - 2/10: Morrigan, Aya, Strider, Chun-Li, Slayer, Nightmare, Taki, Zero, Dr Wily, Viewtiful Joe

If I had my way Ryu would beat him, but alas...
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

How could you not like sonic?
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...why is Sonic still part of the Noble Nine?

Why do we still supposedly have a Noble Nine? Why did we EVER have a Noble Nine?

Snake was closer to Ryu in 2K2 than to Cloud.

This year, if anything, we have the Superior Seven or something of Cloud, Link, Sephiroth, Mega Man, Mario, Crono, and Samus. But the only real huge drop-off is after the Big Three. Any other classifications are almost arbitrary, because there's no clear cut-off point. There certainly wasn't a clear cut-off point for this whole Noble Nine business to begin with, I have no idea why it got so popular.
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Anyone who doesn`t look at a picture of an amphibian knight in awe needs to rethink their purpose in this mortal coil. --Ulti
SC2K4.com/frog

How could you not like sonic?

It's fairly easy.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

I'm not entirely convinced Sonic has no hope of beating Samus.

If I was going by game theory I'd pick Sonic to win that division, but I hate the bastard, so... :|
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Anyone who doesn`t look at a picture of an amphibian knight in awe needs to rethink their purpose in this mortal coil. --Ulti
SC2K4.com/frog

but I hate the bastard, so... :|

I'm starting to agree with you more often than I have before, heh.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

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You know, one thing about this bracket really annoys me.

We all know how much Ceej rigs the brackets. Mario vs. Crono III, Link vs. Ganon, Sonic vs. Samus, etc.

Yet, after all this, he can't give us Mario vs. Sonic!? That is the ONE match that people wanted to see more than any other before the first contest even started. It'd still be huge. I personally dislike both, but I am still very curious to see how it would play out.

What the ****. Seriously, this pisses me off. He should've just moved Mario to the Chaos division, made him the #1 seed, and called it the Mushroom Kingdom, and put Sonic at #4. He's moved other seeds around so what's the big deal about dropping Sonic a few spots? It certainly would've helped that weak-ass division.

And if he really wanted Mario vs. Crono, there's some way he could've done it so that it would still be possible. Not certain, since Mario could lose to Crono or Sonic before he faced the other, but Sonic vs. Crono would be interesting anyway. And it's better to have a chance at both matches, with one of them guaranteed, than to not even try to set it up.
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Anyone who doesn`t look at a picture of an amphibian knight in awe needs to rethink their purpose in this mortal coil. --Ulti
SC2K4.com/frog

That would have made the whole tournament quite a bit more interesting actually. Although, Mario would still beat Sonic probably.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

I'm starting to agree with you more often than I have before, heh.

Yeah, we're on the same page with Ryu Hayabusa and Jak vs. Ness.

Though I still think Tidus vs. Shadow is tough to call, and give Tidus a slight edge.
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Anyone who doesn`t look at a picture of an amphibian knight in awe needs to rethink their purpose in this mortal coil. --Ulti
SC2K4.com/frog

I think if Crono beats Mario decisively this year (for those two, that would be 51% or greater), everyone would forget about Mario vs. Crono and jump aboard the Mario vs. Sonic train. I'm willing to bet we'll see them go at it in 2005.
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Heh, I would love to see Mario dismantle that hedgehog :)
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Oh, and like everyone else I think Mega Man as champion is a hopeless dream :)

Although, Mario would still beat Sonic probably.

I think it'd be very even. Sonic finished ahead in 2K2, Mario in 2K3. Some might say that is because Sonic is declining but I'm not convinced. I think Mario vs. Sonic is very unpredictable. The difference between the two is easily within a margin of error.
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Anyone who doesn`t look at a picture of an amphibian knight in awe needs to rethink their purpose in this mortal coil. --Ulti
SC2K4.com/frog

Personally, I'd love to see Sonic beat Mario.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Even though Games =/= Characters, SMW's thrashing of Sonic 2 may hurt our chances of ever seeing Mario vs Sonic.
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http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=14977390

He would either have to get beaten more than 55/45 against Samus or lose before he even reaches her before I would consider kicking him out of the Noble Nine.

You know Samus getting 55% isn’t impossible as of now Samus would win with 54% and even if there was a slight SFF in the Link vs. Samus match or if Samus’ popularity grew or Sonic’s popularity fell by just a little Samus could very well get 55%.

I think it'd be very even. Sonic finished ahead in 2K2, Mario in 2K3. Some might say that is because Sonic is declining but I'm not convinced. I think Mario vs. Sonic is very unpredictable. The difference between the two is easily within a margin of error

3 word West Division Factor or WDF, but after taking that into account Mario is ahead of Sonic and even then Sonic drops by a little.

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LUE is a cancer, and if it can't be destroyed, it must be contained. - CjayC

Would you people be interested in hearing a few of my previews?
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Furious J is God.

I would be. It's an analysis topic, afterall.
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My name is Reggie. I'm about kicking ass. I'm about taking names, and we're about making games.

sure
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LUE is a cancer, and if it can't be destroyed, it must be contained. - CjayC

they ask they recieve :)

Link vs CATS - a typical slaughter for the Hyrulian, or so much more? CATS is not the traditional fodder character, that is for certain. Many fodder characters see their way into the contest, typical of the Ms Pac-Man's and the AIAI's, but what defines fodder? Gordon Freeman of course! But this isn't about fodder, this is about CATS, the villain that was bold enough claim your base as his, and that he was gong to use zigs to get said base. But was he really supposed to be a laughing stock, or so much more than that? It does not matter, either way his game was decent and in that day and age there was not a plot in every game, love story in every movie, you played it for the love of the game, not some unrealistic romantic drivel. CATS had his demands and he sought to have them met. In the end he failed, but not before giving it his all. So I must ask, how is Sephiroth somehow better than him? Oh well, that will have to be saved for the finals preview... of 2100 A.D.

Link is a fallen champion, most know his story. He is the master of the triforce, wielder of the Master Sword. Guy who wants to have sex and then murder the title character of a series that should be his, HIS! But that is all right, she still gives him sexual favors under the table, literally. Link is a man of few words, his favorite being "HIYA!" I rather like this forcfulness in the main character. He doesn't whine about his life and knows karate, what is next? He can control time and ends up stabbing his arch rival in the head? Sorry, I leave in the past. You might even say that I am a link to the past. Oh yes, I went there. Is Link top tier? No doubt. Does Link have a shot at taking it all? Possibility. Does CATS own all of Link's base? Oh yes...

But all of CATS vote are belong to Link.

Link will finish with 90.14% of the vote.

CATS is just another victim, see you next year CATS.

Hmmmm.... it looks like Zero would be favored over Shadow even though they have the same extrapolated rankings. Same for Knux vs. Kirby. It all depends on exactly WHO they are facing as well as the extrapolated rankings. Zero takes ALL of Shadow's fanbase away (non-Nintendo, bad-ass, etc....). The specific matchup plays a large role that a lot of people tend to ignore.

That being said, I cannot BEGIN to say all the gripes that I have with this bracket. I know CJayC wants to continue drama from past matches and set up certain matches (hero vs. villain) but I would MUCH rather see matches that were truly unpredictable! Why can't we have these matches:

Mario vs. Sonic
MegaMan vs. Samus
Squall vs. Tidus
Crono vs. Samus
Crono vs. Sonic
Bowser vs. Zero

ANYTHING but the same thing! I can go forever. I wish the contest could have at least SOME degree of intrigue in the matches instead of having 3-4 good matches for the WHOLE contest that haven't been done before.



Or at LEAST give underestimated characters a CHANCE to see how strong they REALLY are, the same chance that Squall got last year. I would really like to see how strong Knuckles and Tails really are, instead of putting them as first or second round fodder.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Alucard/Ganondorf - What a wonderful match we have here, two guys that just won't die! Yet somehow they never win the contest, how strange. This is going to be the first exciting match of the year for many, with CATS beating Link being oh so predictable for many, or for others who still think the green elf will hold onto his luster of years gone by.

But this isn't about Link, this is about Ganondorf. Last year he was cut down one round short of meeting his arch rival by the dark wizard Magus, a few Dark Matters and and a Dark Eternal later, Ganondorf was sent packing earlier than he, or Link, had expected. This year he gets to face a different pale colored badass, this time however Ganondorf can hold out hope in reaching his eternal rival.

Alucard is simply in a different class than Ganon, a tier if you will. While Alucard is a two time sweet 16 contender and could make easy meals out of most of the field, Ganon outperformed him it would seem. On the surface this is a very tough matchup to call, Alucard is a tough character and he has a loyal fanbase here, but the legend of Zelda is also extreemly popular, and the hero of those tales, Link, has captured the prize before.

However, I must be honest with you, this matchup shouldn't be happening in the first round. Both of these great fighters are horibly underseeded. I would expect this out of a 3-6 matchup, 4-5 would be pushing it, but still more acceptable than this 8-9 fiasco we have here. It just so happens that the winner of this matchup gets a ticket to face Link, the champion of old. Does it have to be anymore obvious that CJayC set this up to see this rivarly? No, probably not.Do you see me carign anytime soon? No. This will be a great matchup and I am going to enjoy it. I must admit that I expect it to lean one way slightly, but the hype is enough to see me go at it.

Let me look at the characters and discuss what makes them, them.

Alucard - The slayer of Dracula himself, this half vampire is not one to play games. He is a very deadly being who has rose to stardom in the Castlevania series, which peaks at Symphony of the Night. Who doesn't love a bloody, sword wielding, driven, and of course vampiric hero? Well, a lot of people! But that isn't the point, his Murasame would gut you all the same. Two time sweet 16 and considered one of the better non Elite.

Ganondorf - Big things looked on the Horizon for Ganon, a strong duel with Tidus sending the young blitzball player home in pieces and he had to fight another dark wizard, his speciality! Sadly for him it was not to be, he simply did not know who he was fighting when he fought Magus. His over confidence and his lesser magical abilities cost him versus the prince of Zeal. Seen in many Legend of Zelda games, his most worthwhile games are Ocarina of Time and Wind Waker(not saying best, just noteworthy). Who doesn't love a dark wizard who doesn't seem to die and wishes to cast the world into shadows and darkness? Well obviously Link doesn't, since he is always there to stop Ganondorf's plans.

So, are people so against a Ganondorf-Link meeting they they will Anti-vote the Ganon to see Alucard rise up to challenge Link? I find this to be doubtful. Alucard is not wholly out of it by any means, Alucard is a stable character and puts up a fight against a good amount of people, whereas Ganondorf only is strong by getting a good score on Magus. It is possible that the power rankings could be wrong in this, they will probably be wrong in a couple of places. I simply see no justfiable reason for Alucard to gain enough to beat Ganon, but it is a possibility, so if you want to be very risky, go against the odds and previous stats and try to one up many people early, go with Alucard. Safe bet? Ganondorf.

My prediction is Ganondorf wins this match with 55.46% of the vote.
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Furious J is God.

Oh, and like everyone else I think Mega Man as champion is a hopeless dream :)

Just wait until he wins, just wait. ;)

As for the Mario vs. Sonic ordeal I really don't know what is so great about that match. Going by the past two contests Mario ranked ahead of Sonic twice and in 2003 there was enough difference between them to make it around a 55-45 match. That is close, but definitely nothing to warrant an impossible to pick kind of match. I'd go with Mario and wouldn't worry about it.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Mario you have no right to speak, you are putting a guy whho got 61-39ed by a guy who didnt even win it all to win it this year >_>
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Furious J is God.

3 word West Division Factor or WDF

You speak as if this has suddenly become accepted. Evidence for this has always been sketch, I've gone over it numerous times in the past. Not to mention the fact that it makes no sense.
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Anyone who doesn`t look at a picture of an amphibian knight in awe needs to rethink their purpose in this mortal coil. --Ulti
SC2K4.com/frog

what in the hell is the west division factor?
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Furious J is God.

is everyone in agreement that kos-mos will be toppled by ryu then?
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If you're worried people are talking about you... you're probably right.

I'd go with Mario and wouldn't worry about it.

Gee, WHAT A SHOCK. The sky is falling. ;)
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Anyone who doesn`t look at a picture of an amphibian knight in awe needs to rethink their purpose in this mortal coil. --Ulti
SC2K4.com/frog

West Division Factor is where it is said that Sephiroth overperformed against Link making that entire division stronger than they actually were.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

See? You do need to hang out here more often =)

The West Division factor would be Sephiroth's performance against Link elevating the status of the entire West Division in 2002. Take a look at the extrapolated rankings from that year to see what we mean.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

Those matches arn't that hard to predict

Mario vs. Sonic- Mario easily
MegaMan vs. Samus- Megaman easily
Squall vs. Tidus-Little tough, but i'd give the edge to Tidus
Crono vs. Samus-Crono easily
Crono vs. Sonic-Crono easily again
Bowser vs. Zero-Zero easily

Now you want hard matches(here is what I thought of)

Mario vs Megaman
Zero vs Magus
Crono vs Megaman
Auron vs Ganondorf
Bowser vs Squall

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Currently Playing: Skies of Arcadia Legends

Are there any Kingdom Hearts style games that could really change the status of Noble Nine members? The only ones I can think of are Twin Snakes (non-factor, horrible sales), MMAC (10% in extrapolateds is a lot of ground to make up...), and Sonic Heroes, which everybody hates.

Just wondering if I missed any so I don't get completely caught by surprise by a KHF2.
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Supporter of Frog in SC2k4!

Are there any Kingdom Hearts style games that could really change the status of Noble Nine members? The only ones I can think of are Twin Snakes (non-factor, horrible sales), MMAC (10% in extrapolateds is a lot of ground to make up...), and Sonic Heroes, which everybody hates.

Though I'm the only person who thinks it will.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Mario vs Megaman - i'd say megaman is a pretty good favorite

Zero vs Magus - leaning towards magus on this one

Crono vs Megaman - leaning towards crono here

Auron vs Ganondorf - have no way to judge on this other than ganondorf's strong performance against magus and if ganondorf=magus he may be stronger than auron in which i'd go with him

Bowser vs Squall - this is extremely hard to call.. but being an rpg fan i'd probably go with squall :/
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If you're worried people are talking about you... you're probably right.

That makes no sense, how would he have overperformed?
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Furious J is God.

I was just listing those matchups as saying there should be more of a variety of matchups instead of threematches and predictable "boring" matches. I didn't feel like searching for tough matchups. But I agree with you. In fact, THOSE are more of the matchups that I was thinking about. I just couldn't think of who I wanted to match Zero up against!

Just wondering if I missed any so I don't get completely caught by surprise by a KHF2

I think that Samus is on a BIG increase. She's had multiple games come out in the past two years and all of them were successful. Plus she has a highly anticipated (at least to many) sequel on the horizon in Metroid Prime 2. She's come a long way since SC2k2 when the only things she had going were older games (her pics came from SSBM). EVERYBODY knows who she is now and I think that she may even have surpassed Mario in terms of popularity on this board. THAT would be a good matchup too....
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

That makes no sense, how would he have overperformed?

The match was hyped up many people had Sephiroth winning and many people didn't want a Nintendo final
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LUE is a cancer, and if it can't be destroyed, it must be contained. - CjayC

So... basicfalyl everyone preaches of the "no anti votes" then they believe it when they want to? :O
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Furious J is God.

I've gone over this before, but looks like I should go over it again.

The fact that 5 of the top 10 decliners in Weighted Average popularity* from 2K2 to 2K3 were in the 2002 West Division indicates something strange might've happened. But is it conclusive? Can we discount this totally? Let's see.

Here is how the characters from the 2002 divisions, who were also present in 2003, improved/declined from year-to-year:

(from http://www.sc2k4.com/summer_comparisons.php)

2002 Division || Character who won it || Average Popularity Change || *Weighted Average Popularity Change
East || Crono || +7.31% || +1.49%
North || Mario || +14.66% || +3.32%
South || Link || -7.12% || -1.62%
West || Sephiroth || -4.58% || -1.76%

*Weighted average popularity change is simply the popularity change, weighted by 2002 popularity; this is used to discount the volatility of jobbers.

What sticks out here? The fact that people in Mario's division increased most. The other changes weren't overly significant. And if anything, there is more reason to believe Link overperformed in 2002 than that Sephiroth did. In other words, there are two things that you could take from this, if you wanted too: 1) Mario underperformed against Link in 2K2, presumably due to SFF; 2) Link performed better in 2K2 than in 2K3--i.e., his popularity declined.

However, everything else points to neither of these being true. Mario really didn't change in popularity at all. And when you try to optimize how much Link's popularity changed across years in order to minimize the popularity changes--and of course, popularity changes is where all this talk about West division factor is coming from--the optimal ratio is almost exactly 1.

So not only are we dealing with iffy evidence for these ideas in the first place, but everything points to Mario not suffering from SFF against Link, and Link not declining in popularity.

Sephiroth over-performance against Link is not actually implied by these numbers at all.
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Anyone who doesn`t look at a picture of an amphibian knight in awe needs to rethink their purpose in this mortal coil. --Ulti
SC2K4.com/frog

However, let us now re-calculate these numbers, this time without Sephiroth, Cloud, Squall, or Donkey Kong (all of whom went way up in 2K3, due to known reasons).

2002 Division || Character who won it || Average Popularity Change || *Weighted Average Popularity Change
East || Crono || +4.45% || +0.76%
North || Mario || -1.43% || +.07%
South || Link || -7.12% || -1.62%
West || Sephiroth || -6.98% || -2.77%

By taking out Cloud and Donkey Kong, you see that Mario's division didn't change at all. The evidence for Mario suffering from SFF against Link didn't come from Mario--it came from Cloud.

Now you can see where the idea for West Division factor comes from. By taking out Sephiroth's improvement, the West Division dropped the most in terms of Weighted popularity.

But is this entirely convincing? The difference isn't huge. And you still have some reason to think Link declined. But that is based off of the changes of guys like Bomberman and Raziel. Hardly convincing reason to believe Link himself changed. Yet, the evidence for Link dropping is actually even greater than the evidence for Sephiroth over-performing against Link--since if you adjust for Link dropping, the West division's weighted average drop goes down.

The most convincing argument for West Division Factor is not how much the division increased on average, or weighted average, but how the changes were systematic, and happened to upper tier characters. Ken, Sonic, Mega Man, and Samus each dropped significantly in the extrapolated standings. This seems most curious, and unlikely to be a statistical fluke.

But while the drops were systematic, can you really say they weren't just due to year-over-year volatility, or imperfections in the extrapolated technique? The weight of evidence itself is pretty light.

We accept SFF and KHF as influences not only because of the heavy weight of evidence for them, but because they make total sense. Over-performance of Sephiroth against Link in 2002 makes little sense. Given the fact that evidence for it is not at all convincing, this hypothesis should be taken with a grain of salt.
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Anyone who doesn`t look at a picture of an amphibian knight in awe needs to rethink their purpose in this mortal coil. --Ulti
SC2K4.com/frog

Well it's the only reason Samus, Sonic and Mega Man all dropped be about 4%
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LUE is a cancer, and if it can't be destroyed, it must be contained. - CjayC

Why does any of this matter?

We basically know who the contest is down to, the rest of the battles are cannon fodder. Who cares if Sephiroth over-performed? Who cares if Link under-performed? It makes no diference. Right?
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His grace, Sir YokeI, duke of USL.

We basically know who the contest is down to, the rest of the battles are cannon fodder. Who cares if Sephiroth over-performed? Who cares if Link under-performed? It makes no diference. Right?

It's a good thing more people like you aren't here. All these extra stats are for DISCUSSION.
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Moltar Fact 8: Moltar likes to play GunBound in his spare time.

MM won't be making it to the finals for you believers (especially you HM). He's going to be shut down by Link.

I'm with creative on the WDF.....honestly, i can't think of any reason why you could say Sephiroth overperformed in that match - it just doesnt make sense.

Meanwhile, the number of voters shifted by.....oh, 25 or 30 thousand? That amount of volitility seems a much more likely factor for the change between years that an inexplicable over-performance.
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2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

MM won't be making it to the finals for you believers (especially you HM). He's going to be shut down by Link.

I disagree. I really do believe Mega Man will make the finals this year, pssh, what am I saying? He'll win it.

For the overperforming thing, I still have no idea how Sephiroth overperformed in a direct match against Link.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

You seem pretty confident about this HM. Our neverending debates/discussions/arguments with one another never seem to reach an end.

Why don't we spice things up a bit?

Hmm?
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

hmm, yeah, I wish they had closer matches.

and Samus MegaMan would not be easy to call

Sephiroth 61.18% 75979
Mega Man 38.82% 48213
TOTAL VOTES 124192

Samus Aran 47.36% 46047
Sephiroth 52.64% 51177
TOTAL VOTES 97224


now, granted these are from very different years, but still, that match is not easy to call.
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If you work hard you can achieve great things in life...........and then you die. - from dilbert

I think it wouldn't be hard to call, I surely wouldn't be picking Samus to win that. If your going to use 2002 Mega Man got much closer than Samus.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Sephiroth 61.18% 75979
Mega Man 38.82% 48213
TOTAL VOTES 124192

Samus Aran 47.36% 46047
Sephiroth 52.64% 51177
TOTAL VOTES 97224

Different years does make a difference because Sephiroth improved a lot between 2002 and 2003. Anyway, Megaman still got more votes than samus by about 2000. Samus would do better than Snake, but not by much.

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This topic is the greatest i have read anywhere.
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Very Low Impact 30 min; A narcoleptic aerobics instructor struggles to hide her condition from students and employers.

There doesn't seem to be much 2nd round discussion, so I'll try and start some.

Luigi/Yoshi. 2 mid tier Nintendo characters. One tanked last year against Squall, the other fell to Bowser. What happens when the Nintendo losers meet up? The rankings would have you believe Yoshi would take it, but the rankings also have Kirby and DK over Luigi. My money is on the man in green, even though there are no real compelling reasons to go with either side, as they both suck. Any opinions?
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Supporter of Frog in SC2k4!

Yoshi. The end.

Anyways, considering the finals are projected to be Link vs. Cloud, do you think 5000 votes with Link winning is a good tiebraker guess?
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TheDarkshineKnight: Bow to your new God!
help i cannot breathe where are my cholesterol ~ Nightmare 415

There is indeed a compelling reason to choose Yoshi. Extrapolated stats put that match at a 53.3% to 46.6%, in Yoshi's favor. That's good enough for me.
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Nominate Geno for the Summer Contest!
All Your pH level>7 Are Belong To Us. - DarkRaptorX

I've been archiving and listing the stats from the three different contests both separated by year and combined, and it's a real *****. Fun, but a *****.

And yes, I'm aware that there are sites and such. I still want to do it for myself to see something.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

However, let us now re-calculate these numbers, this time without Sephiroth, Cloud, Squall, or Donkey Kong (all of whom went way up in 2K3, due to known reasons).

I missed out on the Donkey Kong reason; can somebody fill me in?

As for Yoshi/Luigi...I'm pretty confident with Yoshi; he's had more exposure than Luigi, and Luigi's Mansion bombed. I'll likely vote Luigi out of sympathy, however, though it certainly won't be a blowout.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Donkey Kong got SFF'd to death against Mario. He's still the only character to suffer from an extreme case of it.

I really don't see how Yoshi could have more exposure than Luigi. They appear in almost all of the same games, and the man in green predates him.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

wow, I post them here and everyone ignores them

lol
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Furious J is God.

I really don't see how Yoshi could have more exposure than Luigi. They appear in almost all of the same games, and the man in green predates him.

Yoshi's had more starring roles. There's the Yoshi series of puzzle games (and you could include Tetris Attack in there), Yoshi's Story, Yoshi's Island... Luigi may have been around longer, but Yoshi's developing his own fans.
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Ulti pulled a Damage Split on my bracket. Go Guru Ulti!
Smart Ask! National Champion (2003) www.rpgdl.com

Yoshi has that one won, there isn't much of a case for Luigi.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Sir Chris: We aren't ignoring them we just read tham already. But keep it up ~_^
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

Donkey Kong got SFF'd to death against Mario. He's still the only character to suffer from an extreme case of it.

I really don't see how Yoshi could have more exposure than Luigi. They appear in almost all of the same games, and the man in green predates him.

Forgot 'bout that match-up; yeah, DK got pimp-slapped there by the man in the blue overalls. My bad.

I know I saw Yoshi so much more than I saw Luigi in Super Mario World, a game that came with the SNES...and the SNES is arguably the system of choice for more GameFAQs-users than any other system (I think a poll said that about a year or two ago? I need to look that up before I pass that as fact). Yoshi's Island has been deemed a classic by many. Yoshi's had a puzzle game or two of his own on the NES (though those won't account for many votes at all, if any). Yoshi's Story, while uber-short and let down many people who were overly hyped for it, was still a fun romp for a rental. Also, Yoshi made a secret cameo in the mega-popular Super Mario 64 and was a controllable character in the not-so-popular Super Mario Sunshine.

Luigi is the "second player" in quite afew of Mario's games, and the only two games I can think of where you must play as Luigi is "Where Is Mario?" (which featured Yoshi in it) and "Luigi's Mansion"...not exactly games one wants to be recognized by, plus they weren't best-sellers by any means. Luigi is also in SSBM (was he in SSB, too? I haven't played that in so long, I've forgotten), but that point is mute because Yoshi was in both.

I guess it boils down to which is more popular; a "second player" sidekick who can't make it on his own or a dinosaur-sidekick that's had its ups and downs in popularity and roles. Personally, I'm sticking with the dino, and the extrapolated stats back me up.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Oh, and I forgot to mention that both of them were in most of Mario's N64-and-up games, like Mario Golf and the Mario Party series...but those points are irrelevent 'cuz they cancel each other out, like SSBM will.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Does anybody else think that it's possible that the WDF is due to Sephiroth getting anti-votes in his matches?

I mean, Square is the biggest company on this web site. It makes sense that they'd have a significant anti-vote to work with, and it makes sense that it'd go to Sephiroth, well at least to me.
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Get Aeris and Zelda in the Summer Contest: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=14874452

Luigi was an unlockable character in Super Smash Brothers.

What happened to Luigi over the years anyway? Back in the SNES days, he was a huge fan favorite, seemingly more popular than Mario himself. I remember how outraged people were when he didn't even make an appearance in Mario 64. I guess he has suffered from a lack of exposure since then though. Not to mention that Nintendo has turned him into a total wuss.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

Yoshi vs Ryo - Oh, an epic struggle if I ever saw one. A dinosaur that eats everything in sight and has to be rode on by a fat italian plumber versus someone who was on a Dreamcast game that most of us have never played, oh the excitement.

What can I say? Ryo may be the best thing since sliced bread, but if the company that produces Shenmue is unwilling to market it how are we ever going to know? I like to call this "Enix Syndrome." Enix produces kick ass games, top of the line stuff. Problem? They have a really crappy marketing department. Reason why Dragon Warrior 7 sold over 6 million copies in Japan alone? It was a Dragon Warrior.

Shenmue doesn't have such a great legacy for itself. So our friend Ryo falls into a trap called mainstream popularity, and is sucked into an unending black hole of first round defeat.

Yoshi, third amongst Mario's crew, behind the red plumber himself and Bowser. Will that be good enough to beat Ryo? Damn straight it is. The Super Mario series is still going strong. While Mario has seen better days than Sunshine,his legacy lives on through the GBA remakes. With him he keeps Yoshi, Luigi, and Bowser going strong as well. Nohing much to report on the Mario frong over the past year that would help Yoshi suddenly be a contender to win it all. But you don't have to be a champion to beat down Ryo in a popularity contest. Just ask Dante! Ryo will put up a pretty good fight though, he has his fanbase like any other character, and he is certainly no joke. He has been here three years now, and while he does not usually make much of an impact, it is nice to see him return. Sadly for him he does not get the pleausre of facing Guybrush once more.

Yoshi wins with 65.89%

this is a short one, its ryo vs yoshi... Can't write a novel.
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Despite being a god-awful game, Luigi's Mansion did sell pretty well. (I'm not sure about the exact number, but it beat 1 million.) However, the game only succeeded in making Luigi look like a scared wuss the entire time. I'm favoring Yoshi after looking at his whole career. He's well remembered by most for being a great new addition in Super Mario World, and that's why I think he'll win.
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Proud supporter of Kefka, Knuckles, Samus, Viewtiful Joe, and Zero for SC2k4!

What happened to Luigi over the years anyway? Back in the SNES days, he was a huge fan favorite, seemingly more popular than Mario himself. I remember how outraged people were when he didn't even make an appearance in Mario 64. I guess he has suffered from a lack of exposure since then though. Not to mention that Nintendo has turned him into a total wuss.

I gotta believe that him not being in Mario 64 had to do some major damage; I mean, come on, they're friggin' brothers, and aside from maybe Dr. Mario, that was the first game I think that had Mario but no Luigi; it seperated them, pretty much. Heck, if you could just choose between Mario or Luigi at the beginning of a game-file in that game, I believe Luigi would be an easy favorite in his quadrant and almost pull Mario-like numbers against Link. Instead, I don't think it ever did so much as even mention his name in one of the biggest titles ever. I can't help but think that was the beginning of the end for Luigi.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

I think we're all pretty much in agreement that the statistics and discussion favor Yoshi.

The real tossup of this contest is the Lockbox Quartet, in my opinion. Thoughts?
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Nominate Geno for the Summer Contest!
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Despite being a god-awful game, Luigi's Mansion did sell pretty well. (I'm not sure about the exact number, but it beat 1 million.)

Did it beat 1 million? Glad to hear it, but for it supposedly leading the way for the launch games (I refuse to call SSBM a true launch game, since it came out almost a month after the Gamecube did), it certainly didn't do so hot. Plus, the game ain't that bad; I've beat it two or three times...but it's certainly not a game I want to remember Luigi by. Luigi's Mansion wasn't the worst in the world, but like Yoshi's Story did to Yoshi, it left many fans disappointed in Luigi; Luigi shouldn't have had the responsibilty of leading the way for the Gamecube, which was being released in the same week as X-Box and same month as Metal Gear Solid 2.

Back to the Yoshi's Story/Luigi's Mansion connection, the two differences is that...

1) Yoshi's Story was longer back ago, so people may have forgotten that not-so-fantastic experience.
2) Yoshi's had both more games and roles to protect himself from the hype-disappointment.

The more I think on this, the less chance I think Luigi has to get 45% on Yoshi.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

I actually like what Nintendo has done with Mario and Luigi recently. They've given Mario the more prominent and hero like role while Luigi is more of the cowardly tag along. Luigi is freakin' hilarious though in M&L: SS so I applaud Nintendo on that. I will say that Luigi was more popular back in the 90's and I found myself angered to see him missing from SM64. If had Luigi as a second player it would have been without a doubt my favorite game of all-time.

Yoshi on the other hand is a huge favorite within the Mario fanbase. I've always liked Yoshi since SMW and when he got the release of Yoshi's Island that sent it over the top. Given how many people like Yoshi to begin with and his many roles in games lead me to easily put Yoshi in the Sweet 16. I wish both of 'em could have made it but I've no problem with the green dino making it.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

The real tossup of this contest is the Lockbox Quartet, in my opinion. Thoughts?

It's a toss-up that I have picked merely with slight knowledge and gut feelings. Sora should have HK-47 beat due to Kingdom Hearts being so popular and helping other Square characters out last year. I think the winner of Ryu/Jill will beat Sora in a close match, but not as close as Ryu/Jill should be. I've predicted that Ryu will carry this through, due to him being newer (yeah, i know about his old NES games, but how well did you know him then?), cooler-looking, having fair popularity at GameFAQs, and the fact that Jill disappointed me last year against Squall. Jill is just barely more powerful than Luigi according to last year, and I think Ryu could have a reasonable chance to beat Luigi. Therefore, Ryu has a almost-as-reasonable chance to beat Jill. Last, her #14-seed makes me wonder just how popular Jill is nowadays, though we know that seeding doesn't always matter much.

Keep in mind, however, that I know very little about HK-47 and don't know alot more about Ryu.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Also, Luigi's Mansion sold about 1.58 million copies in Japan and North America combined (don't know Europe sales at the moment). It was a successful game as far as sales go and I happened to like it, although it wasn't a game that should have been released for a system as the main Mario-ish game. Super Mario Sunshine would have sold systems moreso than Luigi's Mansion did. Anyway, I don't really see Luigi making it farther than round 2.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Keep in mind, however, that I know very little about HK-47 and don't know alot more about Ryu.

Which is why the Kingdom Losers Fourpack is such a ***** to call.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

The real tossup of this contest is the Lockbox Quartet, in my opinion. Thoughts?

Ryu Hayabusa. I haven't run into someone yet who has managed to knock anything that would favor Ryu except that he's "untested", which is true. Other than that he is more than capable of making the Sweet 16.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

I actually like what Nintendo has done with Mario and Luigi recently. They've given Mario the more prominent and hero like role while Luigi is more of the cowardly tag along.

Mario's always been the prominant one, but I agree about Luigi. Nowadays, Mario and Luigi remind me of Freddy and Shaggy from Scooby-Doo...except who likes Fred, seriously? =P
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Mario's always been the prominant one,

I'm more than aware. I've been playing this series for as long as I can remember a thought. ;)

but I agree about Luigi. Nowadays, Mario and Luigi remind me of Freddy and Shaggy from Scooby-Doo...except who likes Fred, seriously? =P

Mario > any Mario character, heh.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

HM, little known fun-fact for ya: I didn't start talking until I was 4 years old, and my first word was "jump" when trying to make Mario jump in SMB1...no ****. I'll go ahead and say it for ya: touche. =P
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Mario > any Mario character, heh.

not Geno
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BtT: 4:20.83 | HRC: 42,085.3 ft
Crash is the Top Tier

HM, little known fun-fact for ya: I didn't start talking until I was 4 years old, and my first word was "jump" when trying to make Mario jump in SMB1...no ****. I'll go ahead and say it for ya: touche. =P

Age of 4? I started my SMB gaming when I was the age of 2, however, I can't account to my first word being "jump". ;)
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Okay. This is getting a little off of the contest discussion here. And no Geno is not better.

Now, Mega Man's winning it? Yeah I'd have to agree. =p
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Now, Mega Man's winning it? Yeah I'd have to agree. =p

As much as I'd love to see it, keep dreamin'. If I try really really rreeaallllyy hard, I can imagine Mega Man gettin' up to 46% on Link this year. MMAC will help him out, and whatever the name of the RPG game he has coming out in September certainly won't hurt him, either...heck, I'll give ya the anti-votes from people that'll vote against Link so we can try to have a new champion AND the anti-votes from the CATS-army, just for kicks. However, I still don't see Mega Man gettin' over 46% in any situation again Link, and that's pushing it.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Who are you agreeing with other than yourself?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

As much as I'd love to see it, keep dreamin'.

The difference between me and everyone else is I'm the one whose actually confident in Mega Man winning. ;)

If I try really really rreeaallllyy hard, I can imagine Mega Man gettin' up to 46% on Link this year.

I don't really have to try really hard to imagine that. Mega Man isn't going to roll over and die like he did last year, that's for sure.

MMAC will help him out, and whatever the name of the RPG game he has coming out in September certainly won't hurt him, either...heck,

Yeah, Mega Man X: Command Mission is the name of it. Looks great if I do say so myself.

I'll give ya the anti-votes from people that'll vote against Link so we can try to have a new champion AND the anti-votes from the CATS-army, just for kicks. However, I still don't see Mega Man gettin' over 46% in any situation again Link, and that's pushing it.

In all of my talk, analysis, etc. I haven't even brought up the idea of anti-votes playing into Mega Man's favor. Because it is almost a non-factor in matches I don't feel the need to include them into the picture, sure they may have an affect but not so much to push MM over the top. Statistically there isn't a thing in the world that can back me up on this and that's fine, because Cloud and Sephiroth couldn't have been backed up earlier last year. There is always a possibility that Mega Man won't manage to beat Link but he certainly has the potential to do it. It's my risk of the contest to put Mega Man over Link because I truthfully believe it will be happening. Most people who have Mega Man winning aren't really trying to win, but I am so we'll see.

Who are you agreeing with other than yourself?

I'm pretty much the only person who agrees with me, so yeah. =p
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Okay, here are my round 2 picks, as obvious as they all are:

ROUND 2: FIGHT!

Hyrule Division

Link vs. Ganondorf
The first of several SFF riddled matches, the result should be of no surprise to anyone. Link is one of the big three contenders this year and Ganondorf, while still a powerful character in his own right, will be overshadowed by his nemesis.
Winner: Link

Yoshi vs. Luigi
This is the first of only two matches in this division that are moderately difficult to call. Yoshi’s main advantage here is that he’s had more (and better) starring roles in games and has had more success moving out of Mario’s shadow. Luigi, on the other hand, is still Mario’s skinny green clone, with his one major break, Luigi’s Mansion, not living up to expectations. Yoshi also gets the cute and cool votes over Luigi, who looks pretty generic. It will be interesting to see how the SFF plays out in this match, if it is at all a factor when neither character has a distinct advantage over the other as in the hero/villain scenarios of the next two matches.
Winner: Yoshi

Magus vs. Crono
I refuse to bold this match despite some of the hype it is being given. Crono is the main character and Magus is in the supporting cast and not named Sephiroth. That’s all I need to know to call this one. Crono’s name is (mostly) in the game’s title, and Magus won’t be winning many cool factor votes against another Dragonball Z reject.
Winner: Crono

Bowser vs. Mario
This one is another no-brainer; Bowser doesn’t have a chance of beating his clearly more popular opponent, and SFF will bring his vote total down even lower.
Winner: Mario

Wrap-up for Hyrule Division, Round 2: This is a pretty dull round in this division; all the matches are riddled with SFF and none will cause me to lose any sleep over my picks. I think it was a mistake for Ceej to organize the divisions this way because it makes for some very boring matches.
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week.

20XX Division

Mega Man vs. Tidus
Regardless of who ends up facing Mega Man in this round, be it Tidus or Shadow, we can safely say that they will put up little fight against a Noble Nine character of Mega Man’s status.
Winner: Mega Man

Tommy Vercetti vs. Zero
Zero should be the clear favorite here based on his prior performance and superior staying power. Not much to say; Vercetti isn’t in his league, this won’t be close.
Winner: Zero

Frog vs. Master Chief
Any match involving Frog could go either way, IMO, depending on how much of Crono’s popularity he has the ability to leech. It should be enough to get him past the Xbox icon; there are too many people who haven’t played or don’t like Halo, and even those who do like it wouldn’t necessarily vote for MC. He disappointed many last year and he won’t make it past a Crono Trigger character, even if it is just Frog.
Winner: Frog

Knuckles vs. Snake
This seems familiar, doesn’t it? Yeah, welcome to Summer ’03. Guess who won then? I see no reason for such a clear-cut verdict to have changed.
Winner: Snake

Wrap-up for 20XX Division, Round 2: Another boring division with no true surprises in store. Aside from the wild card that is Frog, we know how all these characters ought to perform, and every match has a character with a clear advantage over the other. Yawn.
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week.

Midgar Division

Cloud vs. Vyse
This should be another bore. Cloud is simply more popular, period. No need for further discussion.
Winner: Cloud

Kirby vs. Squall
After how Squall performed last year, the outcome of this match is not in question. Kirby won’t be murdered (Squall still isn’t Cloud, after all) but there’s little doubt of who should emerge victorious.
Winner: Squall

Jak vs. Auron
Dear Lord, this round sucks. Auron will wipe the floor with Jak; his coolness is to blinding to be stopped…yet.
Winner: Auron

Vivi vs. Sephiroth
I think I’m going to start having to slap myself in the face to stay awake during this analysis.
Winner: Sephiroth

Wrap-up for Midgar Division, Round 2: Just when you thought this round couldn’t possibly get more boring, this division comes along. These aren’t just clear-cut matches, they’re complete no-brainers, every one of them. I feel unclean devoting any time to discussing them.
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week.

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Chaos Division

Sonic vs. Ryu
Ryu is a solid character and it would be unfair to say he has no chance here whatsoever. However, that chance is still slim; Sonic may be on the verge of slipping out of the Noble Nine classification but he’s still there, and Ryu doesn’t quite have the juice to take down a character of that caliber.
Winner: Sonic

Tails vs. Dante
This is another case of two characters being on two completely different rungs of popularity. Dante will take this with ease.
Winner: Dante

Sora vs. Ryu Hayabusa
This is the single hardest match to call in round 2 – not like that means much considering how boring this round is. Sora may not be the most popular character around but I hate to bet against him in favor of a character that we know so little about, having no prior record to back up his supposed awesomeness. As with the previous match involving Hayabusa, I will freely admit that this is an uneducated guess; however, Kingdom Hearts’ performance in the Spring Contest has me a little edgy, especially since Sora is hardly the most popular of heroes even with those of us who like KH.
Winner: Ryu Hayabusa

Sam Fisher vs. Samus
Ah, back to the boring stuff. The lovely dominatrix should have no trouble with this piece of man meat.
Winner: Samus

Wrap-up for Chaos Division, Round 2: zzzz…zzzz…
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week.

HM, I'll give you this; if Mega Man beats Link, Mega Man will win it all. That, I'll give you...but I can't give ya that much of a boost to beat Link, no matter how much I'd like for it to happen.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Tidus will give Mega Man more of a fight than people expect. You'll see.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

Tidus will give Mega Man more of a fight than people expect. You'll see.

I really don't think he will.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

I'm not bothering to read the 200-ish posts that were posted while I was at work, but I thought the Joe/Tails match over during that time, and although it pains me to do so, I'll have to switch to Joe. The reason? Alucard improved between the two contests, all of a sudden making Tails' showing less impressive. In 2002, Alucard was on par with Lara Croft. Although she's heavily underestimated on this board... yuck. 20% on the big three looks like something Joe could do... after all, it's only a bit better than Raziel, or Fox McCloud. Not too much to ask, hmm?

The other spiny match that's worrying me a bit now is Vyse/Laharl. Disgaea is a cult hit, given (it even won a "Best Game No One Played" award last year), but it absolutely nuked the FAQ list. I am aware of its relevance, or lack thereof, but it's still scary, given how much of a wimp Vyse is. Equal to Bub? OK, so maybe I'm not giving Bub the credit it deserves - old-school characters did well enough in 2002, to the point where Simon Belmont = Kefka once SFF is adjusted! And then something just as weird: Vyse is only a bit stronger than Kite. I don't know about you, but .hack being mentioned in the same breath as Disgaea just sounds horribly wrong. Opinions?
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SC2K4 Status - Elite 8: LINK, Mario, MEGAMAN, Snake, CLOUD, Sephiroth, Sonic, SAMUS

Tidus will give Mega Man more of a fight than people expect. You'll see.

Oh yeah?! Well, I think Shadow will give Tidus more of a fight than you expect! You'll see!!!

Seriously, I think Shadow'll beat Tidus, despite the possibility of him clinging onto Mario's anti-votes last year. With that said, either one of them should be able to avoid gettin' doubled by Mega Man, but don't count on much more of a showing.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Well, you can be confident in your overestimation of Mega Man, and I'll be confident in the general underestimation of Tidus.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

Tidus is going to get 43-45% on Megaman, I think.
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SC2K4 Status - Elite 8: LINK, Mario, MEGAMAN, Snake, CLOUD, Sephiroth, Sonic, SAMUS

As someone who most likely knows more about Disgaea than anyone else on this board, I can assure you that Vyse is the favorite in that match. I'm not guaranteeing a win for him, but he is the favorite.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

The only way Shadow would put up more of a fight than I'd expect is if he absolutely blew Tidus out of the water. I'm well-aware that the match can easily go either way, but I'm sticking with Tidus. Neither of them will come even close to being doubled up, with that being said.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

Why? Because Laharl is a character no one would vote for at gunpoint?

Besides Jill, Laharl is the biggest threat to my bracket in the first round, I think. And I'll smack you if you say one word about Shadow or Vivi.
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SC2K4 Status - Elite 8: LINK, Mario, MEGAMAN, Snake, CLOUD, Sephiroth, Sonic, SAMUS

HM - Sorry man, It's going to be Seph beating Crono in the finals, no way of getting around it.

Slow - You have DK winning over Vivi? Fool.
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I want to Laugh, I want to Play, I want watch the sunset in the sky. I just want know a better life before I die - Solar Twins: Better Life

Tidus is going to get 43-45% on Megaman, I think.

2002: Sonic > Tidus, who had 41.17% against Sonic
2002: Sonic lost to Samus by 34 votes
2002: Mega Man got 2.13% more against Sephiroth than Samus

Fast-forward two years, where Tidus's fame has probably gone down a degree or two and Mega Man's popularity has gotten a boost from a new collection and an upcoming RPG (I don't think that game will affect his popularity as much as people think, though). I can see Tidus getting around 36% to 38%, but I think Shadow can range from 38% to 42% (if Shadow earned his votes against Mario, and didn't get many/any anti-Mario votes to help him) on Mega Man.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Forgot to mention that I don't consider it likey he gets much over 40%, and same for Tidus about 37%.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Why? Because Laharl is a character no one would vote for at gunpoint?

It isn't that. It's just that no one knows who Disgaea is. We fans of the game love him to death, but we are a very small fanbase.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

who Laharl is, even.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

Fast-forward two years, where Tidus's fame has probably gone down a degree or two

Shows what you know. Tidus would've gotten above 48% on Sonic last year.

Mega Man's popularity has gotten a boost from a new collection and an upcoming RPG

Yeah, and Link got a boost from the eventual 2003 GOTY. No, wait, it didn't. Like Link, Megaman's repertoire is too oversaturated to leave any room for improvement. If he gets so much as 40% on Link, it'll be mission accomplished for him.
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SC2K4 Status - Elite 8: LINK, Mario, MEGAMAN, Snake, CLOUD, Sephiroth, Sonic, SAMUS

I heard there was some sort of problem with the Sonic-Tidus poll though. Perhaps someone can clarify here because I wasn't here then.

No matter who he faces and no matter what the stats say, Tidus will never get a fair shake on this board.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

Side-note: how do you say Disgaea, anyways?
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

I don't even think Tidus is in the same league as Shadow.Shadow will get about 60% on him at least.
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Supporting Nintendo for this year's Summer Contest!

No matter who he faces and no matter what the stats say, Tidus will never get a fair shake on this board.

True. Had he beaten Ganondorf, though, he may be getting the accolade he deserves - no, wait, I'm withdrawing that, everyone and their parrot would have Ganondorf losing to Alucard.
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SC2K4 Status - Elite 8: LINK, Mario, MEGAMAN, Snake, CLOUD, Sephiroth, Sonic, SAMUS

Yeah, right, because Wario would've beaten Ganondorf.
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SC2K4 Status - Elite 8: LINK, Mario, MEGAMAN, Snake, CLOUD, Sephiroth, Sonic, SAMUS

I think Tidus v. Shadow is one of the hardest round 1 matches to call. Shadow seems like the right choice, but the Sonic franchise is certainly declining and Tidus is still a FF character. I think the winner will get at most 55% either way.
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Crash is the Top Tier

Shows what you know. Tidus would've gotten above 48% on Sonic last year.

Tidus VS Ganondorf
Ganondorf VS Magus
Magus VS Link

Between those three matches, I gotta contest the rating that Tidus would get against Sonic; there is far too much Square/Nintendo for me to think that just a very tiny portion of the votes wasn't biased for one company or the other, especially with the first two being as close as they were.

Now, since I hadn't looked at it like that, I'll take back what I said about Tidus doing so poorly against Mega Man, but I don't think Tidus is more popular than Zero or even Aeris, and it's common sense that Mega Man is a good bit more popular than Zero, SFF or not.

I'll give Tidus 41%, and give Shadow about 42-43%.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

I think Tidus would get 43-45% against Sonic because Aeris got 46%. Aeris is stronger than Tidus, but not by a lot.
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Currently Playing: Skies of Arcadia Legends

I'm not bothering to read the 200-ish posts that were posted while I was at work,

pfffttt.... yeah, i was still looking for Topic #24 and now 25 is already close to 400 posts? yeesh. you guys talk too much. =P

okay, i see Vyse vs. Laharl is the current debated match, so here:

Laharl - http://www.atlus.com/dis/images/chars_laharl.jpg

Vyse - http://www.sailorlah.com/vyse.jpg

compare the two pics and tell me who looks like they can draw more votes.

mass swords = instant win

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you guys nominated the wrong Shadow..... =(
Through great Luck (and a bit of skill) ULTI pounded me in the Spring Contest!!

well, that match and Tidus vs. Shadow. ain't it funny how the one-point matches get the most attention?

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you guys nominated the wrong Shadow..... =(
Through great Luck (and a bit of skill) ULTI pounded me in the Spring Contest!!

Wow, if the picture factor does come into play, that's a big advantage for Vyse.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

Yeah, but one point can make all the difference in the world.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Dis-Guy-Uh
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

Sifting through old stats is fun. Did you guys know that Crono vs Dante was the first match in 2002 in which the winner had more than 75% of the vote? Another interesting fact is that even Kasumi, who lost in the first round to a girl with smaller boobs, still managed to outscore Gordon Freeman.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

Thanks Ulti; I'd been figuring that it was pronounced "dis-gaye-e-a", which probably woulda gotten afew people confused if I'd ever say it out loud, heh.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

I think Tidus would get 43-45% against Sonic because Aeris got 46%. Aeris is stronger than Tidus, but not by a lot.

sigh there's no love for Tidus and don't call me a FF fanboy because I havn't even played any of the FF games it's just that many people on this board seem to hate Tidus.

2003 Rankings

10. Sonic - 33.79%
11. Ganondorf - 33.61%
12. Shadow - 33.18%
13. Tidus - 33.15%
14. Zero - 32.21%
15. Aeris - 31.75%

Yah you see that right Tidus > Aeris. Also Tidus would get 49% against Sonic.
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Another interesting fact is that even Kasumi, who lost in the first round to a girl with smaller boobs, still managed to outscore Gordon Freeman.

Yeah, well, GFNW. I'm still wating for the day that Gordon and CATS face off. That, my friends, would cause hell to break loose on the boards, though Freeman would win it and break his curse.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Sifting through old stats is fun. Did you guys know that Crono vs Dante was the first match in 2002 in which the winner had more than 75% of the vote?


yeah it is, but uh, don't you mean Crono vs. Simon Belmont?

and my other favorite stat is that in Link's division, Jill Valentine was the second strongest competitor and Strider was fourth, ahead of Scorpion, Raziel, Max Payne, Bomberman, and Pac-Man. and yet, he still gets snubbed.

also amusing in that division is that Pac-Man was actually weaker than Link, Scorpion, Jill, Kirby, Strider, Raziel, and Bomberman. man, does that make Kefka look pathetic. >_<

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you guys nominated the wrong Shadow..... =(
Through great Luck (and a bit of skill) ULTI pounded me in the Spring Contest!!

Yeah, and Link got a boost from the eventual 2003 GOTY. No, wait, it didn't. Like Link, Megaman's repertoire is too oversaturated to leave any room for improvement. If he gets so much as 40% on Link, it'll be mission accomplished for him.

I see that as a terrible comparison. Wind Waker didn't help Link so MMAC shouldn't help Mega Man? That makes no sense. Given the whole point of the compilation was to attract new fans. Furthermore, being on the PS2 and GCN is much better than solely on the GCN with a game that would get absolutely no new fans? (turning some away).
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

yeah it is, but uh, don't you mean Crono vs. Simon Belmont?

Whoops >_>
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Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

10. Sonic - 33.79%
11. Ganondorf - 33.61%
12. Shadow - 33.18%
13. Tidus - 33.15%
14. Zero - 32.21%
15. Aeris - 31.75%

Interesting to see that, but I'm still against the idea of Tidus being able to do so good against Sonic due to the Tidus/Ganon-Ganon/Magus-Magus/Link thing I've already mentioned. Plus, that makes me think of the first case of reverse-SFF that could happen; Aeris is generally more loved by FF-fans than Tidus according to these boards (strict observation), and casual voters who may not know them would probably pick a cute girl over a guy who looks like a girl (strict guess, plus I don't think the casual voter would change things alot there).

I have nothing for or against Tidus, by the way. I swear it.

Hey...now that I look a lil' closer, does that mean Magus got ranked over Sonic?
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

and my other favorite stat is that in Link's division, Jill Valentine was the second strongest competitor and Strider was fourth, ahead of Scorpion, Raziel, Max Payne, Bomberman, and Pac-Man. and yet, he still gets snubbed.

Third, I assume you mean?
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Hey...now that I look a lil' closer, does that mean Magus got ranked over Sonic?

Yup, but very slightly

2003 Rankings

9. Magus - 33.81%
10. Sonic - 33.79%

Also board opinon doesn't really matter for Tidus since many people hate him (and if it does matter then why don't we see CATS being very strong)

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Third, I assume you mean?

nah, i believe Strider was slightly below Kirby, too.

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you guys nominated the wrong Shadow..... =(
Through great Luck (and a bit of skill) ULTI pounded me in the Spring Contest!!

nah, i believe Strider was slightly below Kirby, too.

It's true

2002 Rankings

17. Kirby - 25.54%
18. Dante - 25.02%
19. Morrigan - 24.87%
20. Squall - 24.36%
21. Strider - 24.23%

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CATS IS A FORCE!!!!1! ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US, F00LS1!!!!!!

Seriously, I figure that Tidus/Aeris would be a battle between the more hardcore gamers, and not quite as many casual gamers sign up for the message boards as hardcore gamers. With the hardcore gamers on here voicing out about how they hate Tidus and the casual gamers being much more likely to have played FF7 or would probably pick the cute girl (I know the pic wouldn't be the biggest factor ever though, don't let me put too much emphasis on it), I think that would spell doom for Tidus. I'd see it being close, but I stand firm in my belief that the famous victim of FF7 would triumph over the ridiculed star of FF10 (it IS FF10 he's in, right?).
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Yes, it does mean Magus is ranked over Sonic and on par with Snake. Noble Nine my ass.

Anyway, I'm kinda surprised that Yoshi is such a clear board favorite over Luigi. I guess he really pissed you guys off after last year.

Wow, I'm trying to find good 2nd and 3rd round matches, and the only one I see is Mario/Crono, and I have a feeling no one wants to talk about that one. And yet we could use a new topic of discussion...Damn these forced matches! Sure, Mario/Bowser, Crono/Magus, and Link/Ganondorf are cool in theory, but they are far too easy to predict...
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17. Kirby - 25.54%
18. Dante - 25.02%
19. Morrigan - 24.87%
20. Squall - 24.36%
21. Strider - 24.23%

Overlooked Jill beating Kirby, my bad. Still...that's scary how good Strider did, though I truly have no idea just how he did it.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

I think the fastest time we ever filled one of these topics was just over 48 hours
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Why are people predicting Protoman to get absolutely trounced by Zero? I know Blues will probably lose, but I've seen predictions of upwards of 80% for Zero.
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Yes, it does mean Magus is ranked over Sonic and on par with Snake. Noble Nine my ass.

Yah sure. Snake is .95% ahead of Sonic in the rankings making him .93% ahead of Magus
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So, if Magus took on Sonic, who do you think would win?

I pick Sonic.
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Anyway, I'm kinda surprised that Yoshi is such a clear board favorite over Luigi. I guess he really pissed you guys off after last year.

Nah, Squall pissed me off. Luigi just disappointed me. =P

Wow, I'm trying to find good 2nd and 3rd round matches, and the only one I see is Mario/Crono, and I have a feeling no one wants to talk about that one.

I'm afraid that "the third time's a charm" phrase might come true...but I'm gonna try to quote a sig I saw afew months ago:

"It's not a question of if Mario wins, but how."
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Why are people predicting Protoman to get absolutely trounced by Zero? I know Blues will probably lose, but I've seen predictions of upwards of 80% for Zero.

Dear Lord who in the world said that? O_o
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Overlooked Jill beating Kirby, my bad. Still...that's scary how good Strider did, though I truly have no idea just how he did it.

Not really there wasn't alot of strong characters in 2002 like in 2003. If Strider got the same percent in 2003 he would've ranked 31st behind Luigi.
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I would take Sonic over Magus, but I'd feel uncomfortable regardless of who I took.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

I'd take Magus over Sonic myself.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Why are people predicting Protoman to get absolutely trounced by Zero? I know Blues will probably lose, but I've seen predictions of upwards of 80% for Zero.

Holy hell, that's insane. Protoman, I think, actually has a shot to win; I know he'll get my vote against Zero, though I'm not about to put that in my bracket. Now, the shot isn't very good, but I think it's a potential upset special.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

So, if Magus took on Sonic, who do you think would win?

Sonic easily
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Err, sorry, I kinda read the extrapolated rankings wrong. Regardless, less than a percentage point is well within the margin of error. As for Sonic/Magus, I'd pick Magus, but then I'd probably pick Magus over Snake too.

For Protoman/Zero, 80% is insane, but I can't see Zero losing either. He's proven himself to be rather strong.
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Supporter of Frog in SC2k4!

I would be thrilled to no end if Protoman beat Zero. I'm afraid he will get SFF'd, and he won't know how strong he could potentially be unless he gets in next summer.

What do you guys expect Blues to get?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

I posted earlier about how you see confident that Megaman will win HM while I say he'll fall to the champion of the Hyrule division (most likely Link).

Since you seem so confident and sure about this, MM being a lock and all, let's make things interesting.

I'd imagine 30-40% for Proto Man in that match.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

So, if Magus took on Sonic, who do you think would win?

I'd go with Sonic; I still think the Tidus/Ganon-Ganon/Magus-Magus/Link battles messed the stats up with too much Nintendo/Square.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Blues probably won't get above 35%, though he might get 40%, but I doubt he'll beat Zero. SFF will likely favor Zero.
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Since you seem so confident and sure about this, MM being a lock and all, let's make things interesting.

Sure.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

So, if Magus took on Sonic, who do you think would win?

I'd take Magus.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

For Protoman/Zero, 80% is insane, but I can't see Zero losing either. He's proven himself to be rather strong.

O_O Yah that would mean that Protoman is around CATS level. The most Zero would score would be 70% though he could even score around 55%
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LUE is a cancer, and if it can't be destroyed, it must be contained. - CjayC

Make a suggestion. Sig bet, etc. Call it.

I'd like to think Protoman would win, but I'd say 40%-45%, and I can't imagine him gettin' doubled by Zero.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

HM, you said you'd take Magus twice now I believe.
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I'll another sig bet if you want.

For Proto Man, I really don't think he would reach 45% on Zero but he could. That 80% though was ridiculous.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

HM, you said you'd take Magus twice now I believe.

I'd take Magus.

Three times actually. ;)
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

For Proto Man, I really don't think he would reach 45% on Zero but he could. That 80% though was ridiculous.

If MMAC affects Mega Man as much as you think it will, then Protoman will likely get this or better, heh.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

I thought 80% was really ridiculous, too. I just wanted to run it by you guys to see if there was any justification for it.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

Somebody besides me has to stick up for Magus, even if it's the same person 3 times.
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Supporter of Frog in SC2k4!

A sig bet alone is far too weak for a heavy match such as MM vs Link/other in the semi-finals. We need to up the ante. An account bet is too mean though, seeing as how you'd lose all that 777 karma that you worked so hard to get. I'm not that cruel.

So let's do this...

A signature bet (writing in it currently pending)

A post topic full of nothing but praise about how the opponent is a god and how we idolize them.

Undying support for characters of winner's choosing for the rest of the contest. (ie, you call who I have to root for from then on and vice versa).

Tell me what you think.

If MMAC affects Mega Man as much as you think it will, then Protoman will likely get this or better, heh.

Proto Man's role as opposed to Zero's role in the X series and even his own MMZ series leads me to this conclusion. Though I've already thought about PM benefiting from that long and hard. ;)
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

A signature bet (writing in it currently pending)

A post topic full of nothing but praise about how the opponent is a god and how we idolize them.

Undying support for characters of winner's choosing for the rest of the contest. (ie, you call who I have to root for from then on and vice versa).

I'll wait until HM agrees before I jump on this.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

A signature bet (writing in it currently pending)

Good.

A post topic full of nothing but praise about how the opponent is a god and how we idolize them.

Good.

Undying support for characters of winner's choosing for the rest of the contest. (ie, you call who I have to root for from then on and vice versa).

Eh, it'd only be for two matches and a choice of three characters, but I suppose.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Zero shouldn't get anywhere near 80% on Protoman. He's good but not that good. I still feel sorry for Protoman, though...he's a hell of a lot better than most of the fodder in the Chaos Division.
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week.

Yeah. It still sucks to have to see Proto Man lose his first round match, because I believe he could have made the Sweet 16 if he were in another place. =\
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

Good job HM; that topic could probably be made pretty hilarious and joke-topic'ish if ya tried, and that final part is really just silly.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

When did Proto first show up in the series, anyway?
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

Mega Man 3.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

And damn, these topics are filling up fast.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

Mega Man 3, I think.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Hello, three same time posts. =)
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

A triple same time post in the topic? That's insane.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

TRIPLE-POST!
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

15 seconds...

We shall meet again, Mario.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

Four seconds...

We shall meet again, Harrich.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

Then it's done. Locked and ready. No pretending to "forget" later on, no backing out, etc.

The signature will have to last for the entirety of the contest and 1 whole month after that also. It's much better having it last long term I think over a big match. What do you say?

The character rooting will indeed last only for a few matches but it will be late into the contest so what can you do. I also said, undying support that has to be exclusive. No supporting secondary characters, rooting for a backup, etc. One and only.

The post topic will have to garner much attention to epitomize defeat at the hand's of the opponent and will have to contain a good thorough writeup, repeatedly stating and explaining why the opponent is so godly.

Aside from that, I think it's all good and fair.

Yo, Imma head on to bed ya'll...got a hard day's work ahead of me tomorrow.

I'll be lookin' forward to Discussion 26 when I get home tomorrow.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

No pretending to "forget" later on, no backing out, etc.

I don't back down from bets.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

We are kinda running out of things to discuss, and there's still over 20 days until the contest starts up.
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Supporter of Frog in SC2k4!

Like I said, then it's all good and done. Just make sure to take it seriously and not try and "fudge" anything by posting jokes/mocking/etc.

I guess now, we just wait...

Well, since this topic is filled with insane discussion, thoughts coming in every single second I refresh, I think I'll go give Neo Sigma a beat down in MMX2.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

At this point, the only matches I'm concerned about are the Joe/Tails/Dante trio and Shadow/Tidus, though I'm leaning towards Joe to win both matches and Shadow winning, though I can see Tidus taking it. Primarily, however, the trio bothers me.
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Nominate Geno for the Summer Contest!
All Your pH level>7 Are Belong To Us. - DarkRaptorX

Heh. I replayed MMX for the first time since I was 7 a month ago. I got everything, including the Hadoken. I killed the dog thing and Sigma in one hit with the Hadoken, and I thought to myself how much better I had gotten over the years. Then, I come to the final boss. That was humiliating.
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Nominate Geno for the Summer Contest!
All Your pH level>7 Are Belong To Us. - DarkRaptorX

I can't see Joe beating Dante, but who knows?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

Jesus shall guide Jill to victory.
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Now a proud Rider of Lohan.

But in that case the non-Christians will not vote Jill, and she would lose.
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Well, after giving Neo Sigma a well deserved beating and watching Zero tear Dark Zero into little nothings I comeback to the same bustling conversation that was here before I left. *thumbs up* =p

Anyway, I'm off to bed now.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

there was some talk about SM64 missing Luigi, but it's also missing a few things too.

- Luigi, you had to press the L button to switch him with Mario

- Riding Yoshi I think after you get a certain number of stars Yoshi will be there and you could ride him

- 2 missing levels

That's all that I can remember
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LUE is a cancer, and if it can't be destroyed, it must be contained. - CjayC

Okay, I just don't get Harrich's idea about "too much Nintendo/Square". How would that mess up the stats and not, say, a Capcom/Konami match?
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SC2K4 Status - Elite 8: LINK, Mario, MEGAMAN, Snake, CLOUD, Sephiroth, Sonic, SAMUS

Yah I don't understand it either.
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LUE is a cancer, and if it can't be destroyed, it must be contained. - CjayC

I mean, I know they're intrinsically stronger, I mean, out of the 14 strongest characters, there's six Square (Cloud, Sephiroth, Crono, Magus, Tidus, Aeris) and four Nintendo (Link, Mario, Samus, Ganondorf). Only Megaman, Snake, Sonic and Zero are able to crack through.
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SC2K4 Status - Elite 8: LINK, Mario, MEGAMAN, Snake, CLOUD, Sephiroth, Sonic, SAMUS

Aeris is ranked 15th you forgot Shadow
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LUE is a cancer, and if it can't be destroyed, it must be contained. - CjayC

Tsk tsk tsk, you know my thoughts on this.
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SC2K4 Status - Elite 8: LINK, Mario, MEGAMAN, Snake, CLOUD, Sephiroth, Sonic, SAMUS

Geesh...had to read 300 posts since my Frog support posts yesterday! You peeps amaze me!

All I can say is, this contest will have lots of fine matchups for me to write my award winning satirical columns about...though it will be tough even for me to top some of the silliness from the Spring contest commentaries.

For sure, some of the blowouts will be entertaining in the 1st round...CATS is always fun to mock, Duke Nukem too....and many more indeed.

I also got a great lil idea for the pride of Disgaea...should be good for a few laughs. And HK-47 and the rest of that overhyped predictable Kingdom Krap "Lockbox" fourpack? Lockbox??? Who came up with that lame name?

Ughh...23 days left to wait to get it going! Too long...
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I know theres Mario's anti-votes, but how much of the vote could've been from people hating Mario? Even if Tidus is ranked the same as in 2003 he would have to beat Shadow by more then 52% before he's below Aeris and even then Shadow may still be slightly ahead of Aeris.
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LUE is a cancer, and if it can't be destroyed, it must be contained. - CjayC

Okay, I just don't get Harrich's idea about "too much Nintendo/Square". How would that mess up the stats and not, say, a Capcom/Konami match?

It is my personal theory that, with Tidus/Ganon and Ganon/Magus being so close and both being Nintendo/Square matches, I think there were more company votes than most in both matches. I also think it happened in the Link/Magus match, though to a lesser extent. That's three early matches in a row with heavy Nintendo/Square hype and competition (notsomuch competition with Link/Magus, but still), and I just don't believe that there couldn't have been too many votes influenced by the company.

Again, theory, it's not been proven, but I stay more skeptical about Tidus's ranking than Shadow's.
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Spring Contest Score: 151/192

But then, if Tidus gets more company votes than Shadow, doesn't that give him the edge anyway?
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SC2K4 Status - Elite 8: LINK, Mario, MEGAMAN, Snake, CLOUD, Sephiroth, Sonic, SAMUS

Let's have a look shall we?

Hmmmmmm we have Chrono/Mario III and Sonic/Samus II.
After last year I think Marios is going to get squished very badly as Chrono sets up to take on either Link or Mega Man,personally I think MM stands a very good chance of getting to the final if Link's power fades away.

On the other side we have Sonic/Samus,the MOST controvertial match from 2002,should have met last year but did'nt,finally get their LONG awaited match this year.
I think Sonic will win,not mainly becuase he's the more popular character as they are equal but because I think the sympathy vote might just get him past Samus and into the match against Cloud,ok so Cloud wins BUT if true Sonic fans believe in miracles then I think Sonic MIGHT just take Cloud as well,only leaving Link/MM in his way.

Close Matches:Sora/HK47, Auron/Scorpion.

20+ days to go, the forums going to go crazy but you knew that already :)
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Character Battle III-Link Vs Cloud? (0-0) (Points)
Elite Eight-TBD

Out of the 12429 posts in this topic's history, that last one was the first one to make me fall out of my chair in laughter.
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yea there is no way sonic is getting past cloud if he even gets past samus.

Not only that, he/she managed to cram every single non-factor known to man short of TJF in a few lines.

And Auron/Scorpion close? Gimme a break... Scorpion is underestimated, but not to that extent.
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SC2K4 Status - Elite 8: LINK, Mario, MEGAMAN, Snake, CLOUD, Sephiroth, Sonic, SAMUS

Sora/HK47, Auron/Scorpion
...these won't be close.
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Proud supporter of Kefka, Knuckles, Samus, Viewtiful Joe, and Zero for SC2k4!

A few words on Vyse vs. Laharl:

I'm a pretty hardcore gamer. I have been all my life. I've heard of practically every new game that's come out, I'm up to date on all the new releases, and yet...before this contest, I had never heard of Laharl. Ever. So, if I haven't heard of Laharl, what makes you think the casual voter will have?

I had heard of Vyse about a year before I played Skies of Arcadia. So...I'll be sticking with Vyse.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

But then, if Tidus gets more company votes than Shadow, doesn't that give him the edge anyway?

Depends on how much you believe in Mario's anti-votes then. Personally, I believe Shadow earned his near-45% against Mario, and I don't think Tidus would have been able to pull those numbers against Mario anyways, though the ratings would show he would. We know what I think about Tidus's rating though, so come to your own conclusions.

The only thing that keeps me from fully believing Shadow will win here is that, although I'm confident Tidus wouldn't do as good against Mario, it's hard for me to imagine Shadow doing as good against Ganondorf as Tidus did; that's another reason why I don't entirely agree with the stats, because I'm more confident Tidus benefitted from some Square-voting than I am of Shadow benefitting from anti-Mario votes...

...no anti-Mario votes will help Shadow this time, so we'll see in that match just how powerful Shadow really is. I got faith in him.
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Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Sora/HK-47 very well could be close...but I wouldn't bet on it.

With the Vyse/Laharl match: at first glance, I didn't have a clue as to who either of them were, though I knew I had heard of Vyse before. I look back, and he did fair against Donkey Kong. Skies of Arcadia is also a game with a decent following AND is a game-name I'm familiar with now (I've never played it though...I need to, I guess). Laharl, hell, first of all is a funny name to me. Then, he's from Disgaea, a game that I've heard of before but much less than SoA. He also wasn't in last year's contest, so he's untested. It also doesn't hurt that since both games are fairly cult-like, the boards have often thought Vyse will win; the casual vote shouldn't affect this match much unless one has a significantly cooler picture. My belief is that Vyse will win this match fairly easily, but not a blowout by any means.
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Spring Contest Score: 151/192

I have to wonder if Scorpion is as strong as he was in 2002. His run then was amazing, but it makes me wonder if he can pull it off again.

Auron is a pretty strong character, but if Scorpion can pull off the upset(I have Scorpion winning against Auron, actually), I think he can go to the sweet 16(beating Jak). No way he goes further, though.

Of course, I have Ryu pulling off a big upset in round 2 against Sonic.. so take my predictions with a grain of salt :P
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SC2K4 Prediction: Cloud over Crono

Tails got 35% against Auron. Scorpion should get 40-2% against Auron. Scorpion won't upset Auron though.
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BTW, wasn't around too much when the bracket was released.

I just have to wonder.. why Guybrush and HK-47 are in this contest? :P I'd ask the same thing about JC and Tanner but they're good enough fodder where they are. Couldn't there have been better characters that got the seeds Guybrush and HK-47 got?
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SC2K4 Prediction: Cloud over Crono

I should've added this to my previous post :P

If anything, Guybrush and HK-47 would make good fodder for the #1 or #2 seeds. I just think they're a bit overseeded, IMO. I probably would've swapped Jill for either of the two I mentioned, personally.
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SC2K4 Prediction: Cloud over Crono

Here are a few words for some of you: Viewtiful Joe will make the sweet 16.

Confused? Already typing "You are delusional, Dante will kill him!", or even, "Joe won't even beat Tails!"? Allow me to prove why I think Joe will make it to the 3rd round.

Round 1: Viewtiful Joe vs. Tails

Tails previous Summer Contest History includes a sound defeat at the hands of Alucard, and a thorough thrashing by Auron of FFX. While most contend that Auron is a very strong opponent, being beaten by a 2:1 ratio doesn't speak well of Tails' overall strength.

Viewtiful Joe is, of course, completely unproven in the Contest. However, he does have some merits that will allow him to easily pass Tails.

1. Viewtiful Joe is the name of the character's game, and Joe is the main character

Tails suffers from "side-kick syndrome," as evidenced by Luigi's disappointing performance last year. Tails has not (to my knowledge) been the main protaganist of any game, merely the assistant to Sonic.

2. Viewtiful Joe is a critically acclaimed game praised for its nostalgic gameplay, highly stylized graphics, and infamous difficulty

Tails, on the other hand, has had cameo appearances in Sonic Heroes, and Sonic Battle, neither of which were given the praise or spotlight like Joe.

3. Joe is a very funny / personable character

Again, Tails will really only appeal to Sega fans in this respect. Joe is cocky and comedical at times. While playing his game, I found his sarcastic banter and undeniably cocky swagger highly amusing.

Bottom Line: Joe beats Tails 60% - 40%.

Round 2: Viewtiful Joe vs. Dante

Dante's previous contest history is not all-together disappointing, but neither is it impressing in any way. He can thrash weaklings like Ryo easily ( http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1332 ), but when facing mid-tier characters like Ryu, Dante doesn't perform as well ( http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1350 )

Another aspect to consider is that Dante hasn't had a game since Devil May Cry 2, which was generally held as a dissapointing sequel to an amazing original.

Joe is quite popular right now. His original game has received innumerable positive reviews, and is coming to the PS2. Additionally, Joe has a sequel coming to both PS2 and GCN this year.

Winner: Joe with 52-55% - 45-48%

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Tails has not (to my knowledge) been the main protaganist of any game

He was the "hero" in a Game Gear game.
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"Tails has not (to my knowledge) been the main protaganist of any game"

"He was the "hero" in a Game Gear game."

Ah. See, I figured he starred in something. But the fact of the matter is, whatever that game is, it is far too obscure to have any bearing on the "side-kick syndrome."
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Official Fire Emblem fanboy

So Viewtiful Joe would get in the 40's against Auron if he was to beat Tails 60-40. Tails got 35% against Auron. I would hard time imagining Viewtiful Joe gettting that high and his game wasn't even the contest.
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Currently Playing: Skies of Arcadia Legends

In the spring contest i meant
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Currently Playing: Skies of Arcadia Legends

I must say this as well...

I think Gordon finally will win one.
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SC2K4 Prediction: Cloud over Crono

Joe's game is too new to be considered "the.greatest.game.ever." And in the poll on this website for the best GCN game of 2003, Viewtiful Joe placed 4th, behind only Zelda, Mario Kart, and Soul Calibur II, all of which are quite impressive games.
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Official Fire Emblem fanboy

It is called Tails Adventure and it is VERY obscure.
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His game isn't new at all. It came out last year in October. Fire Emblem got into to the contest and came out in around november last year.
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I think Gordon finally will win one.

Well first GFNW and second Sam Fisher is better then Gordon

2003 Rankings

35. Sam Fisher - 22.82%
53. Gordon - 15.35%

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But Gordon is a lot more powerful now!

j/k, of course.
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Fire Emblem is also far more worthy of being considered "the Greatest Game Ever" than Viewtiful Joe. I nominated Fire Emblem, even though there are dozens of other GBA games worthy of being in the contest. Look at my sig.

Anyway, the point of the matter is that Joe the character > Viewtiful Joe the game, in terms of contest popularity. The fact that VJ didn't make the Spring contest doesn't mean anything. Just look at what happened to Megaman! Not a single game in the Spring contest. Does that mean Megaman is weak?
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Official Fire Emblem fanboy

That's because Mega Man has many games so it's hard to choose from
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Mega Man had so many games on each platform that it was nearly impossible for fans to agree on a single game. However, Viewtiful Joe didn't have any restriction on getting in, it just didn't have the nominations. I do think Joe is going to beat Tails, and it would rock to see him down Dante, but I doubt he'll manage that.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
Fight Mega Man, for everlasting peace!

"That's because Mega Man has many games so it's hard to choose from"

Regardless, Viewtiful Joe made this contest for a reason. I think it's short-sighted to label Joe weak simply because his game didn't make the spring contest.

Spring contest =/= Summer contest.

This isn't a "best game contest", this is a "best character contest." And, as I said before, Joe the character > VJ the game, as evidenced by his presence in this contest and his lack thereof in the previous contest.
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Official Fire Emblem fanboy

You know Joe would have to beat Tails be more then what Auron did since Dante = Auron.
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"You know Joe would have to beat Tails be more then what Auron did since Dante = Auron."

How can you prove this? What makes this a fact? Dante and Auron never met in any contest. What makes you sure of this fact?

Besides, Dante was beaten soundly by Ryu last year. I find it hard to believe that Auron would suffer the same fate.
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Official Fire Emblem fanboy

How can you prove this? What makes this a fact? Dante and Auron never met in any contest. What makes you sure of this fact?

Well

2003 Rankings

20. Auron - 27.80%
21. Dante - 27.32%

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LUE is a cancer, and if it can't be destroyed, it must be contained. - CjayC

Ah. Extrapolated rankings.

While I can see how you are saying Auron = Dante now, I think extrapolated rankings can be deceiving sometimes. Can you say, without a doubt, that Ryu would beat Auron?

I still think that VJ will edge out Dante in round 2. Dante's loss to another Capcom figure, Ryu, seems appropriate as he will lose to VJ.
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Official Fire Emblem fanboy

Joe's strength is a real mystery to me. I can't tell if he is going to do well by putting up good numbers against Tails and Dante, or if we will flop horribly and get low numbers against Tails and lose to Dante. >_<;
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Yeah, I'm concerned about Joe, myself. Oh, not when it comes to Dante -- Dante would kick his ass -- but I'm wondering about him possibly getting past Tails. Of all the matches I've made decisions on thus far, that's the match I'm most likely to change my prediction on (for Joe). I hate giving any match to such a weak character as Tails. It would be very easy for Joe to be more popular.
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week.

Kingdom Krap "Lockbox" fourpack? Lockbox??? Who came up with that lame name?

The hell if I know. I like Kingdom Losers Fourpack far better. And let's not forget about The New BangFang Triangle (Dante has guns, Tails -- a Fox -- has fangs, and Joe has...... whatever he has).
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

I wouldn't call that a Bang-Fang Triangle; I think Dante has it locked =\
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Gordon Freeman is your only option. ~Slowflake

Still pains me to see the pride of MK losing to overrated Auron...

Yes, I love MK...so? :)
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Frog over Snake...Believe it fanboys!

Goldeneye had its triangle locked in the Spring Contest, yet people debated it to high heaven.

As for Dante, you all act as if losing to characters the calibur of Crono and Ryu makes him a [cat] or something. Plenty of characters would lose to Crono and Ryu, believe me. Don't be so quick to take the new meat over a character that has already established himself in these contests. Dante is a Sweet 16 character that has simply gotten a bad draw both years.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

I'm probably going to end up with Dante over Joe. The more I think about it, the more right it sounds. I just don't see Joe losing to Tails though.
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Moltar Fact 8: Moltar likes to play GunBound in his spare time.

The match I'm most unsure of is Vivi vs Donkey Kong. With new characters, it's tough to really say how popular they truly are - if Vivi's such a star, where has he been in these contests?

Maybe others think this is easy, but it's one of the 3 matches I honestly don't have confidence in either name I put in. The other two are Vyse/Laharl and Joe/Tails. Again, it's a weaker/underachieving character vs a new flavor, and I'm not sure how to rate the new guy.

Not that I really want the help, I mean, I'll put the name I feel best about down, and whatever happens happens.

I would actually like to do a little study/survey of what everyone things the toughest matches to call are, that whole "rank'em 1-4, and assign 4 pts for 1, 3 pts for 3..." thingie.
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Sure:

1 - Mario vs Crono
2 - Tidus vs Shadow
3 - Ryu H vs Jill
4 - Ness vs Jak
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

1 - Mario vs Crono
2 - Tidus vs Shadow
3 - Vivi vs DK
4 - Ness vs Jak
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Nominate Geno for the Summer Contest!
All Your pH level>7 Are Belong To Us. - DarkRaptorX

I'll touch on a few topics from the past few posts.

There are certain things that aren't factored into the extrapolated rankings. One obviously is consistent popularity. This is a specific trait of characters such as Ryu. No matter WHO Ryu performs against, as he has shown in previous matches, he has the same amount of strength, whether it be Samus or CATS. Zero would probably be another. On the other hand, there are characters whose performances would oscillate based on exactly who they were up against. Sonic and Tails would be prime examples (we ALL know who Tails CAN'T beat, but do we really know who he CAN beat?) And I'm not even touching SFF.

Speaking of Tails, the introduction of Knuckles was his demise. Remember when Sonic 2 first came out? What did you want to be when playing Sonic? Player 1 (Sonic) or Player 2 (Tails)? A two-tailed fox what can FLY? And in Sonic 3, they let you fly FREELY? But then they brought out Sonic & Knuckles. Knuckles clearly took over being the darkhorse selection of the sonic games. A good-guy but also a bad-ass. Where did this leave Tails? As a complete wuss. The cartoons didn't help his cause either....

Dante vs. Joe. Take into account the systems they are on and the base of their fans. Read in GI or EGM, I can't remember which one. Viewtiful Joe was CRITICALLY acclaimed, but it didn't sell like a game of it's acclaim should, probably due to being on Gamecube. Devil May Cry is a PS2 staple, and was released when their library was just starting to grow. If they don't know the name, people should at LEAST know the face. Plus these two are from the same game company....

Speaking of Joe though, he shouldn't exactly be written off. He actually LOOKS like an appealing character. Complete with the wicked goatee. That should play a BIG factor in some of these matches. Think of Joe's pic being put next to Tails'. Who would YOU vote for? The same thing just dawned on me with Ness vs. Jak. Picture these two placed next to each other. Who would you vote for? Jak may have the goofy ears, but the goatee IS WHAT'S HAPPENING! Plus the fact that Jak has THREE games on the widely distributed PS2, and Ness isn't exactly up there with Luigi in popularity (Luigi vs. Ratchet)


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Vivi > DK
Ryu H > Jill

Ness/Jak, Mario/Crono and Shadow/Tidus are kinda tough though =/
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Crash is the Top Tier

top 4 matches in this contest
1.Ryu H. vs Jil
2.Jak vs Ness
3.Tails vs Joe
4.Mario vs Crono


top 4 matches overall that would be tough to predict
1.Crono vs Megaman-Could go either way
2.Ganondorf vs Auron-this would be close
3.Zero vs Magus-2 badasses facing each other, I can't decide.
4.Bowser vs Squall-could go either way too
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top 4 matches in this contest
1.Ryu H. vs Jil
2.Jak vs Ness
3.Tails vs Joe
4.Mario vs Crono

Those may be some of the toughest matches, but they certainly aren't the "top"" matches of the contest. Only one of them even feature Elite 8 possibilities.
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i meant to say top 4 toughest matches

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1. Tidus vs. Shadow
2. Tails vs. Viewtiful Joe
3. Mario vs. Crono
4. Cloud vs. Sephiroth
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week.

1. Jill Valentine vs. Ryu Hayabusa
2. Veiwtiful Joe vs. Dante (It will happen, I can't see how Tails has gotten anymore popular)
3.Ganondorf vs. Alucard
4. Ness vs. Jak (I'm going with Jak, I loved Jak II)
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Now a proud Rider of Lohan.

Tails vs. Viewtiful Joe, a hard choice?

I think not. I think you're overestimating Tails' power.
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1. Mario vs. Crono (A toss-up, quite literally)
2. Luigi vs. Yoshi (I'm leaning toward Yoshi, but it's still tough)
3. V. Joe vs. Dante (It's scaring me now, but I think Joe will win)
4. Frog vs. Master Chief (Frog's unknown power is scary. Is he a Magus, or a Kefka?)
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Official Fire Emblem fanboy

With some research I've been doing, I can almost see for certain who wins the Ryu vs Jill match.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

Well Ulti, that doesn't sound like it favors Ryu. Care to divulge at least some of your findings?
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Nominate Geno for the Summer Contest!
All Your pH level>7 Are Belong To Us. - DarkRaptorX

Of course not. I'm out to try and win this thing, and it amazes me why everyone else is so quick to kill their chances by helping everyone else to have the exact same bracket. You will all lose because of this, mark my words.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

After concluding my own painstaking research, I have proven without a shadow of a doubt that breakfast burritos are indeed the greatest brain food of all time. Who wants some?
*whips out a tray of burritos*
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My name is Reggie. I'm about kicking ass. I'm about taking names, and we're about making games.

I thought as much. Hmph.
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Nominate Geno for the Summer Contest!
All Your pH level>7 Are Belong To Us. - DarkRaptorX

*steals all of the burritos and feeds them to Villainous Magus*
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

Well, lets look at the stupidess thing possible, Jill is staring in the new Resident Evil movie.
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Now a proud Rider of Lohan.

That has nothing to do with the numbers I just managed to dig up.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

Ulti... those were special BRAIN BURRITOS. I hope your mind and heart suffers every night, knowing the evil you just unleashed upon the world.
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My name is Reggie. I'm about kicking ass. I'm about taking names, and we're about making games.

*Dances*
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Now a proud Rider of Lohan.

I guess this is teh part where you overtake the good ol' FF9 = FF6 topics from FF9 social. *cries*
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Heh. I remember those topics.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

...Jill Sandwhich...
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Now a proud Rider of Lohan.

www.ohnoes.org

Seriously, I wouldn't want to see a Jill sandiwch. God knows what kind of infested bugs are on that girl.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

Ninjas.
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Yet again, ninjas. </hidden '500!' post>
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http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=2685

Thousands of them.
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So one day, it was 4th of July 2 years ago I believe, I saw a mouse. I was making cakes and i was like "oh no, there's a mouse"- xXSabinFigaroXx

Say, what'd you people have for lunch?
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Testicles
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So one day, it was 4th of July 2 years ago I believe, I saw a mouse. I was making cakes and i was like "oh no, there's a mouse"- xXSabinFigaroXx

1 - Mario vs Crono
2 - Link vs Cloud
3 - Vyse vs Laharl
4 - DK vs Vivi
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

Ice cream.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

awaY!
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Now a proud Rider of Lohan.

I had a Jill Sandwich.
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My name is Reggie. I'm about kicking ass. I'm about taking names, and we're about making games.