Part 22 was a nice offseason topic that took awhile t fill up. We`ve had nominations since then, as well as a poll asking which character had the best shot at winning it all. Both have dominated discussion. Also, congrats to FrostHarpy for getting the 501st post!

Stats websites:

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com
Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/2003/index.html
Spring 2004 Contest: (not currently updating)
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/index.html

Stats topics:

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html
Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note)
2003-2004 Off-Season:
http://membres.lycos.fr/shindohikaru/stats1.htm (See note)
Note: Don't use the links in the topic to browse through the pages, change the page number in the URL.
Spring 2004 Pre-Season:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason3.htm
Spring 2004 Contest:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats3.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats4.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats5.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats6.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats7.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats8.htm

!yawA tsoP
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

tag. Good to see another topic up already.

499 is the best i could do.

and now this topic is in my list.
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Member: CATS army. All Your Nomination Are Belong to CATS!

Does anyone else think that this contest is going to suffer low vote totals? Starting on August 1 just seems very late to me, its going to run into, and through? september. The layout change was most likely part of the low voter turnout, but maybe it was also due to people being in school, I don't know, but August 1 is kinda late to me...
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Revenge is a dish best served cold.-Old Klingon Proverb
Congrats to UltimaterializerX, winner of the Guru Challenge.

vote totals cannot help but be down. and where often later rounds got more votes in previous summer contests, this year those later rounds will occur after school gets back in and after vacation time is over for workers.
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Member: CATS army. All Your Nomination Are Belong to CATS!

This contest will not go into september, it will go al lthe way THROUGH it.

Assuming nothing is interrupted, this contest will take 63 days.

31 in august, 30 in september, and 2 in october. We wont know a winner until october 3rd. (last match october 2nd).


Vote totals were lower throughout all of the spring contest, not only after the layout (which did lower totals even more). It could be from school, but also from a lower interest.

hmm lower interest I could see more easily being from this third character contest than the new spring one, I think the layout really crippled votes there, as well as school and all. it could be a lack of interest, but the idea of the spring contest was great, its execution, well, it had its good points too.
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Revenge is a dish best served cold.-Old Klingon Proverb
Congrats to UltimaterializerX, winner of the Guru Challenge.

A Summer Contest that ends on October 2nd.

And that's excluding any delays that seem to pop up a lot recently.

I'm losing faith in ol CJay.
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That means: Low ammounts for the tiebreakers. Remember it.
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Because how could I not do this forbidden thing, when it feels so good!

I dunno about the low vote totals. Even the most unpopular polls last year broke 90000 votes with ease. I`m hoping that we have a Spring Contest spillover effect that gets us higher vote totals.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

Back from the grave known as purgatory...its another season...another round of...

Steve Illumina Speaks

Yep yep yep...I am back :) Not that I ever left...it just seems I go away for a weekend and peeps forget to save the thread. No matter. Like the Phoenix rising from the ashes, the enlightened commentary shall live on!

As promised, to fill the time between the nomination process and the start of the tourney August 1st...I shall defend my 10 nominations and proclaim their worthiness, whether they manage to make it or not.

And so it begins, with my fanboyism peeking through for the greatest fighting game character I ever mastered...

10. Princess Kitana

Games Appeared In:All Mortal Kombats 'cept MK1

Created In:1993

Chances of Making Bracket:: Nearly Nil...

Comments:: If I had to pick one single character to put in the tourney and they would be guaranteed a slot, I would give it to Kitana.

Why you ask? For personal glory reasons! Kitana made my name a respected one in the local arcade scene in my high school days. Kids looked up to my MK skills, teens were jealous of my abilities, and adults...well...they waited for the kiddies to run out of money just so they could give them more, all to attempt to beat me and knock me off the winning streak list in machines all around Harrisburg PA. Truly, those were the days it was great to be a gamer...

Next to RPG's and shooters, fighting games are my gaming genre of choice, and well, of all the fighters I have mastered, none top MK for me, and in turn, Kitana...Never have I found a man or woman who wielded the Mistress of the Fans better than I...

So Kitana, I salute thee and nominate you, for the years of glory you gave me long ago...and will again in MK Deception on Xbox Live this fall/winter...
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Noms: Frog, Vivi, Dr. Wily, Seifer, Chocobo, Sigma, Sweet Tooth, Maximo, Rayne (BloodRayne), and Kitana (MK)!

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Wasn`t Fulgore #10?
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

I didn't expect to get 501st, but whatever. Let's hope CJayC will start the contest earlier. The bracket at July 1st, yet the contest a month after? It shouldn't take that long.
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Lonely Angel

One of the nice things about the summer contests were that they took place during the summer when many of us had more free time. I don't like this whole September idea. Oh well.
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And special thanks to UltimaterializerX, who completely pwned me in the spring Guru contest.

Well, I guess if anyone has reason to complain, it would be me. School starts near the beginning of Augest. But you know, I always like to see the good side of things. Next year's spring contest will start earlier, and the off-season is shorter. Besides, good ol CJay is probably trying to get ourselves into action into summer, to actually take advantage of a late contest, forcing us out of our computer seats. Lastly, most of us hang out here in the off-season anyway, so this is not a tough month to endure.
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Yet in the proximity of blight, I seek the Love and the Light. <><
Word of the week= zephyr¤ a gentle breeze

i agree with FastFalcon. unless this contest has something totally unexpected, the third Summer Contest will start to get a bit more predictable and a little less exciting, creating fewer votes. that along with the new layout and running into September, this contest will definitely have lower vote totals than last year. the scary thing is, will the totals drop back down to SC2K2 numbers? it's possible......

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Nominate Shadow from FF3/6 for SC2K4!!
Through great Luck (and a bit of skill) ULTI pounded me in the Spring Contest!!

I've never understood how people could call it predictable. There's no clearcut person to down as a winner, there are plenty of matches inbetween that look like they have an obvious winner but then smack you in your face when they don't win, and then those insanely hyped matches between two dead even opponents -- Mario vs. Crono. Not to mention how many good matches you could set up with the bracket.

I have yet to find a character contest predictable, I did better in the Spring Contest than I did in both summer contests. So, games just happened to be easier to predict, I found, than character contests. As for the vote totals though I'm hoping they go up due to the summer being here along with the layout being already set and what not. They may be lower once some people start heading back to classes, or err.. high school, but hopefully that doesn't kill it.
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Nominate the mad scientist, Dr. Wily, for the Summer 2004 Contest!
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/NominateWily.GIF

I wonder if the heinous reputation that this contest has garnered around the Internet will affect voting. Bad hype is hype nonetheless, so it might be bigger than last year as word continues to spread.

I find most reactions to this contest, outside of gamefaqs, usually falls under two reactions:

1. This sucks! How could *insert winning character or game here* win? What a pile of @%&^@#! It's an OUTRAGE!

or, the more popular one

2. What else do you expect from gamefaqs? It's one of the great intellectual cesspools of the world wide web. Who cares what the fanboys there think anyway?

I can't lie. I share this last opinion, but the fan fiction and free chance to win free games keeps me coming back. And I get to vote for the cool characters as they all lose in the first round or two :)
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Invest in SHMUPS. Stem the Tetrid Tide.

A month between nomination and brackets makes perfect sense. We had a time period similar to that last year.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

Ulti: Fulgore was #10 in a list of peeps I love but would never nominate cause they got no shot at even being fodder...a pity...

Ill redo that list after the list of my true nominations, cause, well, I am more excited about the nominations, ya know :) Some of them got a real shot of making it, ya know :)

Speaking of true noms, here comes #9 :)
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Noms: Frog, Vivi, Dr. Wily, Seifer, Chocobo, Sigma, Sweet Tooth, Maximo, Rayne (BloodRayne), and Kitana (MK)!

Back from the grave known as purgatory...its another season...another round of...

Steve Illumina Speaks

Yep yep yep...I am back :) Not that I ever left...it just seems I go away for a weekend and peeps forget to save the thread. No matter. Like the Phoenix rising from the ashes, the enlightened commentary shall live on!

As promised, to fill the time between the nomination process and the start of the tourney August 1st...I shall defend my 10 nominations and proclaim their worthiness, whether they manage to make it or not.

And so it begins, with my choice of 'fodder' being a vampiress who just happens to kick some serious booty in the most excellent action game from 2002, BloodRayne.

10. Princess Kitana
9. Rayne

Games Appeared In: BloodRayne

Created In: 2002

Chances of Making Bracket: Remote

Comments: One of the most original and fun games I played in recent years that I thoroughly enjoyed from top to bottom, start to finish, would have to be BloodRayne. So I figured the game's protagonist, Rayne, deserved a slot far more than duds like Cloud and Link...

Every year the tourney has fodder, and while sometimes this fodder is the same cause of clueless nerds, ^cough CATS cough^, others are different. We have had AiAi...we have had Guybrush Threepwood, and if it were up to me, we would have Rayne. Course Rayne would pull more votes based on her picture alone than any of these wannabes combined. So she would be worthy fodder indeed.

I encourage anyone who has not played BloodRayne to give it a spin, unless of course you dont ever stray from the RPG camp. Or if u are under 10 cause you wont understand the story. hehe But for real, the game is a Greatest Hits game on PS2 for a reason....its good!

Its also getting a sequel in November...and a movie next year which should rival Underworld or be even better. So what ya waiting for?

So Rayne, I salute thee and nominate you, for being one of the most original babes to come along in some time, and the only one worth nominating!
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Noms: Frog, Vivi, Dr. Wily, Seifer, Chocobo, Sigma, Sweet Tooth, Maximo, Rayne (BloodRayne), and Kitana (MK)!

As I said, the BOP will probably begin next Monday.

Current plan is to accept entries both directly in the topic and via e-mail. Also, people will be asked to put who they genuinely think will win, removing joke picks and favorite picks. Of course, if someone hesitates between the two but picks a given character based on personal preference, then it passes. We're talking about picks like DDR to go all the way, for example: we'd get much cleaner numbers without that kind of picks.

Any other suggestions?
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SC2K4 Status - Nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Yoshi, Ganondorf, Ridley, CATS

Sounds good Slow, I am in this time! Look forward to it.
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Noms: Frog, Vivi, Dr. Wily, Seifer, Chocobo, Sigma, Sweet Tooth, Maximo, Rayne (BloodRayne), and Kitana (MK)!

A new contest, a new format, but still the same old... TNotez Take:

Top 16 Entrants
1. Cloud
2. Link
3. Sephiroth
4. Mega Man (with help from his Collection)
5. Crono (yeah, you read that right)
6. Mario
7. Samus
8. Solid Snake
9. Magus
10. Gannondorf
11. Sonic
12. Tidus
13. Squall
14. Frog (yeah, you read that right)
15. Aeris
16. Tommy Vercetti

I am a little unsold on the latter half, but the top half seems pretty solid to me. I did not bother naming 1-4 seeds, because if the Jesus goes with that screwy bracket system, it will not make sense. Let me know your thoughts on these entrants. Frog is my X-Factor, but I feel if he can sneak into the contest there is no reason he should not be able to perform at a level equal to or slightly lower than Magus.
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SC04 Noms: CATS, Crono, Frog, Vincent, Vivi, Tommy Vercetti, Kefka, Luca Blight, Mewtwo and ???

Psst. Zero is oddly missing from your list and Zero is at least, at least top 14.
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Nominate the mad scientist, Dr. Wily, for the Summer 2004 Contest!
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/NominateWily.GIF

HM, you are right that I did omit Zero from my list, but from throwing around some number he seems very, very similar to Aeris, which taking out personal biases would leave him around 15th or 16th on the list. Is he stronger than Frog? Who knows, but personally I do not think so. Is he stronger than Mr. Vercetti? Probably, but since Ray Liotta is my favorite actor of all time, and since I do not think the difference between the two is that great, I felt giving the anti-hero the nod over Mr. Zero was a defensible enough choice. But he is definitely sitting in my top 20, and probably is 17.
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SC04 Noms: CATS, Crono, Frog, Vincent, Vivi, Tommy Vercetti, Kefka, Luca Blight, Mewtwo and ???

I don't know what all this Frog hype is about. He'll be another Kefka, mark my words.
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week.

Or he could be close to Magus. Right now, I'm not really saying where he'll sit. He'll either do good or completely flop.

And I would put Zero over Frog without much thought while on the subject of whether or not he's stronger.
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Nominate the mad scientist, Dr. Wily, for the Summer 2004 Contest!
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/NominateWily.GIF

I don't think Frog will fall along the lines of Kefka, but I can say without a doubt he'll be less popular than Magus. He'll probably be a middle of the pack character.
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Summer Contest Nominations: Squall Leonhart, Frog, Musashi, Diddy Kong, Sub-Zero, Serge, Viewtiful Joe, Kirby, Vyse, Vivi

I think he's somewhere around Ryu, if anything.
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SC2K4 Status - Nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Yoshi, Ganondorf, Ridley, CATS

Her's how I think the top 20 characters will stand.

1. Cloud
2. Link
3. Sephiroth
4. Megaman
5. Mario
6. Snake
7. Samus
8. Crono
9. Sonic
10. Magus
11. Ganondorf
12. Tidus
13. Zero & Auron
14. Aeris
15. Squall
16. Bowser
17. Ryu Hyubasa
18. Shadow the Hedgehog
19. Frog
20. Ryu
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Wait.. you wanted normal people, and you did this on LUE. That was your first mistake.--GCWolf

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Any specific reason why you copied and pasted the same sentence three times creative? =P
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Nominate the mad scientist, Dr. Wily, for the Summer 2004 Contest!
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/NominateWily.GIF

Any specific reason why you copied and pasted the same sentence three times creative? =P

Er... o_O I didn't even notice that. Hold on...
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You can now nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for SC2K4!
http://SC2k4.com/frog (click on the galleries)

smitelf:
I don't know what all this Frog hype is about. He'll be another Kefka, mark my words.

BOOOOOOOOOOOO

Heroic Mario:
Or he could be close to Magus. Right now, I'm not really saying where he'll sit. He'll either do good or completely flop.

Or he'll do in-between ;) However like most I think he will do well, and be as much below Magus as Magus was below Crono. But I fear he has more downside than upside. In other words, he is more likely to disappoint than surpass expectations. Though of course I really hope that doesn't happen, 'twould break mine heart.

And I would put Zero over Frog without much thought while on the subject of whether or not he's stronger.

I agree, Frog needs to prove himself before being compared to Zero.

Slowflake:
I think he's somewhere around Ryu, if anything.

Yup, same here.



On the subject of our nominations, so far I've nominated:

Frog (Chrono Trigger)
Golbez (Final Fantasy IV)
Celes (Final Fantasy VI)
Weigraf (Final Fantasy Tactics)
Ultros (Final Fantasy VI)
Sephiroth (Final Fantasy VII)
Ramza (Final Fantasy Tactics)
Link (The Legend of Zelda)

Interestingly, these are all Square characters other than Link. Square RPG characters just connect the most with me I guess.

My last two nominations are between Luigi, Auron, Robo, Ryu Hayabusa and HK-47. I've never actually played Knights of the Old Republic but I said that I'd consider him because Slowflake wants him in. If anybody can make a case for HK-47 (without getting spoilerific), then I'll be sure to nominate him ;)

I'm leaning towards Robo for the other spot.
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You can now nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for SC2K4!
http://SC2k4.com/frog (click on the galleries)

Thanks HM for pointing that out ;)

BTW, does anyone have Part 21 of the Stats topic saved? I just saved Part 22 on my computer but don't know when I'll put it up, however I don't have Part 21.

Note that I've put up Ngamer's archive of Ulti's topic:
http://www.sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringUltiPostAnalysis1.htm
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You can now nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for SC2K4!
http://SC2k4.com/frog (click on the galleries)

No problem. Good nomination list too.
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Nominate the mad scientist, Dr. Wily, for the Summer 2004 Contest!
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/NominateWily.GIF

My top 16 right now:

1. Cloud
2. Link
3. Sephiroth
4. Mega Man
5. Mario
6. Crono
7. Samus
8. Snake
9. Sonic
10. Magus
11. Squall
12. Ganondorf
13. Zero
14. Aeris
15. Tidus
16. Bowser
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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO CATS

All right people time to bust out my list since everyone is doing it, and I hate to criticize someones without posting my own for fair game so here we go:

1. Link
2. Sephiroth
3. Cloud
4. Mega Man
5. Mario
6. Crono
7. Samus
8. Solid Snake
9. Magus
10. Ganondorf
11. Sonic
12. Zero
13. Bowser
14. Aeris
15. Tidus
16. Squall

Do I believe that's how it's going to play out? Pssh. I'm banking on someone not from the top 3 winning (Go Mario and MM!) I can hope, I can hope.
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Nominate the mad scientist, Dr. Wily, for the Summer 2004 Contest!
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/NominateWily.GIF

While we're at it:

1. Cloud
2. Link
3. Sephiroth
4. Mario
5. Mega Man (Can't see how a mere 0.4 that could be random deviation makes so many people doubt the Mario)
6. Crono
7. Samus
8. Snake
9. Sonic
10. Magus
11. Zero
12. Ganondorf
13. Aeris
14. Squall
15. Bowser
16. Auron/Tidus
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Because how could I not do this forbidden thing, when it feels so good!

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Awesome, I'm like the only one who isn't believing Sonic will get 9th. =)
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Nominate the mad scientist, Dr. Wily, for the Summer 2004 Contest!
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/NominateWily.GIF

Post your entries for top 16! Here are the first five. Cloud(4) means 4 people thought Cloud is number one.

1. Cloud(4)-Link
2. Link(4)-Sephiroth
3. Sephiroth(4)-Cloud
4. Mega Man(4)-Mario
5. Mario(3)-Crono-Megaman
6. Crono(3)-Snake-Mario
7. Samus(5)
8. Snake(4)-Crono
9. Sonic(3)-Magus(2)-Crono
10. Magus(3)-Ganondorf(2)
11. Squall-Ganondorf-Zero-Sonic(2)
12. Ganondorf-Titus(2)-Zero-Ganondorf
13. Zero-Aeris-Bowser-Squall-Zero-Auron
14. Aeris(3)-Frog-Squall
15. Tidus(2)-Squall-Aeris-Bowser
16. Bowser(2)-TommyV-Squall-Auron-Titus
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Yet in the proximity of blight, I seek the Love and the Light. <><
Word of the week= zephyr¤ a gentle breeze

1. Cloud Strife
2. Link
3. Sephiroth
4. Mega Man
5. Crono
6. Mario
7. Samus
8. Solid Snake
9. Sonic the Hedgehog
10. Magus
11. Ganondorf
12. Squall Leonhart
13. Zero
14. Shadow the Hedgehog
15. Tidus
16. Bowser

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Lonely Angel
Enter the lair of Adam West Batman! http://www.adamwest.com

Total entries: 7(I put my own in). Please tell me if you find this system annoying.

1. Cloud(5)-Link(2)
2. Link(5)-Sephiroth-Cloud
3. Sephiroth(6)-Cloud
4. Mega Man(6)-Mario
5. Mario(4)-Crono(2)-Megaman
6. Crono(4)-Mario(2)-Snake
7. Samus(7)
8. Snake(6)-Crono
9. Sonic(4)-Magus(3)-Crono
10. Magus(4)-Ganondorf(3)
11. Sonic(3)-Ganondorf(2)-Squall-Zero
12. Ganondorf(2)-Titus(2)-Zero(2)-Squall
13. Zero(3)-Aeris-Bowser-Squall-Auron
14. Aeris(4)-Squall(2)-Frog-Shadow
15. Tidus(3)-Bowser(2)-Squall-Aeris
16. Bowser(3)-Titus(2)-TommyV-Squall-Auron
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Yet in the proximity of blight, I seek the Love and the Light. <><
Word of the week= zephyr¤ a gentle breeze

Cloud has six? What a shock.
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Nominate the mad scientist, Dr. Wily, for the Summer 2004 Contest!
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/NominateWily.GIF

creativename is hosting my topic? YAY! =)
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

*tag*
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Whenever did I talk about HK-47? I never even played KOTOR, don't own an X-Box, and am a SW hater anyway.

Anyway, I'll do my own prediction:

1. Cloud
2. Sephiroth
3. Link
4. Megaman
5. Mario
6. Crono
7. Samus
8. Snake
9. Sonic
10. Magus
11. Ganondorf
12. Tidus
13. Zero
14. Aeris
15. Bowser
16. Squall

Call me a chicken for only reversing Sephy/Link and Sonic/Magus from last year and going with my gut for the pandemonium following Zero, but even though I may not nail much right, I'll probably be close for all of them. Barring SFF of course.

In other news, tomorrow I'll put up my first SC2K4 article, dealing with the five most underestimated as well as the five most overestimated major players in the contest. You can already figure out a few of them, I'm sure.
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SC2K4 Status - Nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Yoshi, Ganondorf, Ridley, CATS

i can tell you right now who one of the most overestimated characters for the next contest is: F-R-O-G. there is no way he will perform anywhere near Crono or Magus. i have to admit that Slowflake and Creativename are being somewhat reasonable by putting Frog on the same level as Ryu, well below Magus. but i really don't think he'll even perform that well.

why do i think that you ask? BECAUSE HE IS A FREAKING FROG!!! his looks fight against him. he doesn't have any pics that make people say, "dang, that guy is cool. i'm voting for him." it's the same reason Kefka did so poorly. neither character is photogenic. in a contest with a significant amount of superficial voters, the cooler looking characters gather the most votes, unless you're talking about household names (like Mario or Link). and i'm sorry, (keep in mind that i DO like Frog) but Frog is not a household name.

i believe that Frog does have enough support to earn a spot in the contest, but i will be shocked to see him earn anything higher than an 11 seed. and he will need to luck out by drawing an weak high seed like Magus did last year (Sam Fisher - ha!) to have a shot at winning a match. then again, we all know that the seedings aren't really based on the nominations, so anything could happen.

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Nominate Shadow from FF3/6 for SC2K4!!
Through great Luck (and a bit of skill) ULTI pounded me in the Spring Contest!!

Or he could be close to Magus. Right now, I'm not really saying where he'll sit. He'll either do good or completely flop.

And I suspect the latter. I seriously doubt that he would come anywhere near Magus.

I think he's somewhere around Ryu, if anything.

And I think he’s somewhere around Kefka. Neither character has mainstream or photogenic appeal.

My last two nominations are between Luigi, Auron, Robo, Ryu Hayabusa and HK-47. I've never actually played Knights of the Old Republic but I said that I'd consider him because Slowflake wants him in. If anybody can make a case for HK-47 (without getting spoilerific), then I'll be sure to nominate him ;)

Blast it, this is what I get for my internet connection being screwed today. I think it’s actually me who has been the avid HK-47 supporter, btw ;) Well, it’s too late for the nomination but I’ll take any excuse to portray the coolness of HK-47. It’s all in his lines, really, and his perfect delivery of them. HK-47 is hard to describe as a character (especially without spoilers) but he’s a protocol droid with…err…other, less legal functions. Imagine a psychotic C3PO. There’s a part of the game where you’re trying to repair him so he can regain his memories (and some nifty skill bonuses) and his history is completely hilarious. Here are a few quotes that shouldn’t really spoil anything, though it’s twice as funny when he says them.

You: So you just kill anyone you're told?
HK-47: Observation: I *am* a droid, master, with programming. Even if I did not enjoy killing, I would have no choice. Thankfully I enjoy it very much.

You: So his wife was cheating on him.
HK-47: Statement: I have no idea, master. Cheating seems to be a relevant term only when one is caught in the act. Otherwise it is viewed as intelligence, no?

HK-47: For now, please excuse me, master. I wish to meditate upon the face of my former meatbag master as he was electrocuted. I find it most soothing.

HK-47: Commentary: How would you like to be the wholly-owned servant to an organic meatbag. It's demeaning! If, uh, you weren't one yourself, I mean...

HK-47: Explanation: It's just that... you have all these squishy parts, master. And all that water! How the constant sloshing doesn't drive you mad, I have no idea...

HK-47 isn’t the best combat character (he’s probably the third best at ranged weapons and no character is really worth using as an attacker except a Jedi, anyway) but many people have taken him along with their main party simply for his comedic value.
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Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week.

Entries: 8

1. Cloud(6)-Link(2)
2. Link(5)-Sephiroth(2)-Cloud
3. Sephiroth(6)-Cloud-Link
4. Mega Man(7)-Mario
5. Mario(5)-Crono(2)-Megaman
6. Crono(5)-Mario(2)-Snake
7. Samus(8)
8. Snake(7)-Crono
9. Sonic(5)-Magus(3)-Crono
10. Magus(5)-Ganondorf(3)
11. Sonic(3)-Ganondorf(3)-Squall-Zero
12. Titus(3)-Ganondorf(2)-Zero(2)-Squall
13. Zero(4)-Aeris-Bowser-Squall-Auron
14. Aeris(5)-Squall(2)-Frog-Shadow
15. Bowser(3)-Tidus(3)-Squall-Aeris
16. Bowser(3)-Titus(2)-Squall(2)-TommyV-Auron

Except for your first 3, your picks were pretty consistent with the others.
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Yet in the proximity of blight, I seek the Love and the Light. <><
Word of the week= zephyr¤ a gentle breeze

What the hey...I'll throw one of these out there.
Top 16:
1. Cloud
2. Link
3. Sephiroth
4. Crono
5. Mario
6. Mega Man
7. Samus
8. Solid Snake
9. Sonic
10. Magus
11. Ganondorf
12. Aeris
13. Zero
14. Squall (ugh!)
15. Bowser
16. Shadow (the Hedgehog)
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Proud supporter of Geno, Jigglypuff, Kefka, Knuckles, Meta Knight, Mewtwo, Samus, Ultros, Viewtiful Joe, and Zero for SC2k4!

1. Cloud
2. Link
3. Sephiroth
4. Mega Man
5. Mario
6. Crono
7. Samus
8. Snake
9. Sonic
10. Magus
11. Ganondorf
12. Tidus
13. Zero
14. Aeris
15. Squall
16. Bowser
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week.

Slowflake:
Whenever did I talk about HK-47? I never even played KOTOR, don't own an X-Box, and am a SW hater anyway.

Oops, my bad...my memory sucks :(

smitelf:
I think it’s actually me who has been the avid HK-47 supporter, btw ;)

I know I promised someone around here that I'd consider nominating HK-47, might have been you.

Good job of convincing me, I have nominated him :)

HK-47 (Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic)

He seems too bloodthirsty for my tastes, I'm not fond of sadistic evil characters--I like the power mad evil types, not the cruel ones--but he seems entertaining and a lot of people want him in, so I'll do my part. I hope he makes it.

And one of these days I will play Knights of the Old Republic; though it might no be until the sequel comes out, sadly. The sequel looks quite good too though, it certainly has a Dream Team of developers.
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You can now nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for SC2K4!
http://SC2k4.com/frog (click on the galleries)

I'm not sure... Tightass isn't very much photogenic either, yet he ranks 3rd in the FF series, which CT can hold a candle too.

In Frog We Trust.

Think I'll get to writing now.
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SC2K4 Status - Nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Yoshi, Ganondorf, Ridley, CATS

he doesn't have any pics that make people say, "dang, that guy is cool. i'm voting for him."

You completely fail at life. Anyone who doesn`t look at a picture of an amphibian knight in awe needs to rethink their purpose in this mortal coil.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

Yup, a giant sizzord = ratings.

I'll update my tourney and THEN start writing, promise.
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SC2K4 Status - Nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Yoshi, Ganondorf, Ridley, CATS

I feel out of the loop, what exactly do you plan on writing Slow?
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Nominate the mad scientist, Dr. Wily, for the Summer 2004 Contest!
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/NominateWily.GIF

Back from the grave known as purgatory...its another season...another round of...

Steve Illumina Speaks

Yep yep yep...I am back :) Not that I ever left...it just seems I go away for a weekend and peeps forget to save the thread. No matter. Like the Phoenix rising from the ashes, the enlightened commentary shall live on!

As promised, to fill the time between the nomination process and the start of the tourney August 1st...I shall defend my 10 nominations and proclaim their worthiness, whether they manage to make it or not.

And so it continues, with my choice of 'joke fodder' being a brave knight in underpants, the incomparable Maximo!

10. Princess Kitana
9. Rayne
8. Maximo

Games Appeared In: Maximo, Maximo & The Army of Zin

Created In: 2002

Chances of Making Bracket: Not promising

Comments: Another fine newly established action platform series would be Maximo, and its title character is ripe for joke folly status. Infact, it surprises me some that more peeps dont realize this. Guess they are all so stuck up the ass end of a Mass Carrier they just dont know a good joke character when they see one.

So let me enlighten ya...Maximo, the brave knight out to save his girl, wears cute lil undies with red hearts all over them. Perfect for a pic in a contest match, I would say. The fad topics this will start up would rival any that any character has ever borne upon the boards.

Oh, did I mentions the games were pretty good too?

So Maximo, I salute thee and nominate you, for being one of the best joke characters I could think of that just happened to be original.
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Noms: Frog, Vivi, Dr. Wily, Seifer, Chocobo, Sigma, Sweet Tooth, Maximo, Rayne (BloodRayne), and Kitana (MK)!

THE UNDERESTIMATED

#5: Zelda

OK, not as much underestimated as completely neglected. But a lack of hype can still hurt. There's talk about most characters in the front and even in the middle of the field... but lost between the two is Princess Zelda. And not having her name mentioned anywhere except when talking about the games' titles just screams "no one's seeing her coming". In a match against someone like Ryu or Shadow, who at least get some talk, it could cost points to loads of people. I remember going ape**** when she scored 40% on Megaman, especially since Ganondorf, the perennial villain of the series, almost blew it against Tidus. A much-improved Tidus, it goes without saying, but we didn't know that yet. In hindsight, Zelda's a strong contender, and her placing makes perfect sense.

#4: Shadow the Hedgehog

"Are you out of your ****ing mind, Slow? You think he can do any better than what he did against Mario?" No, I don't think I'm the problem here. Seriously, there's a load of people that think Shadow's performance was only due to the Mario vs. Sonic factor, since that's the closest we could ever get to one in a character contest. I disagree, but that's not the point: these people think that without the Mario vs. Sonic factor, Shadow would just be another worthless jobber. As much as I'd like that to come to pass, um, no. Did people already forget about his overwhelming win over Wario, the biggest first-round bracket-breaker other than Starcraft? And then there's Sonic Heroes. Although the game got a lot of criticism, Shadow's part is sure to appeal to an audience who flocks en masse to vote for characters he's molded on, such as Cloud and Sephiroth. And we know what a second major game can do to your chances, and like Alucard showed, no need for it to be from Square.

#3: Samus Aran

Now this is just weird. People still seem to think she's on an even playing field with Snake. Yeah, right. Before Prime, probably. I mean, she was losing to Sonic before pulling a Starcraft to win. But now? After Metroid Prime? The standings beg to differ. And I don't see much that could hinder the accuracy... everything seems to make perfect sense, since the character battles aren't nearly as volatile as game contests. And don't let me started on the dud that was Twin Snakes. MGS3? Game isn't out, Snake isn't in it AFAIK. Okay, I should stop going off-topic. Samus wins, ggnore kthxbye.

#2: Sonic the Hedgehog

You know why he's here. Too many people seem to think he's on the way down after a decidedly unpopular transition to 3D, and Sonic Heroes didn't deliver for most. However, I'll point you to another guy who got a crappy sequel, and unlike Sonic, had only ONE other game to fall back on, and still didn't go down: Dante. (For that, Yuna should be one to watch this summer. No, not like that!) Compared to that, Sonic's old-school legacy is probably putting him in the elite to stay. No way he's losing a rematch to Zero like many claim he would.

#1: Tidus

I'm under the impression that it's the people's hatred for the guy that is causing this. Going as far as to call his performance against Ganondorf a fluke. But let's face it, FF10 is absolutely enormous here. Longest FAQ list on the site, anyone? Okay, so it lost to SSBM, but SSBM lived up to the challenge following that. (Most. Unfair. Pic. EVAR.) And then, there's the whole Squall issue. So many people are certain he'd lose to him, with these PotD results. Not so fast, young Padawan... have you already forgotten the tale of the green dino pet? Knuckles beating both Sonic and Shadow in a PotD? While Squall would have a shot in a direct match (and I wouldn't even bank on it), if they don't face each other Tidus will win the comparison. Not only against Squall, but against a load of other great contenders as well.

THE OVERESTIMATED

#5: Shadow the Hedgehog

Yes, you read that right, Shadow's on both lists. This appearance is due to the drooling Shadow fanboys (HOW COULD YOU?!?) that think his showing against Mario wasn't a fluke, that he collected no anti-votes, and that he would've done even better had it not been Mario vs. Sonic in disguise. Trust me, I've seen them. They're few and far between, hence the #5, but they exist. Kind of guys who think Servbot would really beat Tails in a match, if you ask me.

#4: Sephiroth

So, just because Link lost last year, that anti-champion theory is true. Sorry, but you're not thinking hard enough. Cloud was ridiculously powerful all the way through, not just against Link: likewise, Link was as strong as last year all the way through. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that's the logic of all the Sephiroth pickers, but these so-called "intelligent analysis" topics on why Sephiroth will win almost always have that anti-champion point, and rarely anything else. But, what about Advent Children? FF7 already defied many contest mechanics, why not the one about stuff that's not out yet? And if it DOES help, I hear Sephiroth's only there in a flashback. Period. Otherwise it's all Cloud, all the time. So it's obvious that if someone gets help from it, it's going to be Cloud. Once again, don't get me wrong, Sephiroth COULD win this contest: but if he does, it'll be by his own merit, not some anti-vote hocus pocus.

#3: Megaman

Mario and Link already have a bajillion games out, so when a new one comes out (SMS, Wind Waker), not much happens. Then, why in the world should it not be the same for Megaman, whose entire reputation is based around his impressive library? I'm not sure why. "BOT OMG MMAC IS OLDSKOOL GUUUUUDNESS!!!!" So were Sonic Mega Collection, the Super Mario Advance games, Zelda Collector's Edition... and I doubt it changed much. Mind you, I'm still trying to figure out why in the world Megaman is so popular here in the first place.

#2: Alucard

This one's for all the hype it collected by beating up chumps to get to the Sweet 16 twice. Excuse me, but Tails, Duke, Bomberman and Kirby aren't exactly tough opposition. And Alucard can thank his lucky stars he got a new game in the off-season, else he'd have lost to Kirby and his plan would've been wrecked. In a balanced bracket, he'd be one and out. Not even borderline like guys like Ryu or Squall. Speaking of which...

#1: Squall Leonhart

That's what he'd be, Squall. Borderline. He beats up Luigi and he's an instant powerhouse. Tsk tsk tsk. This match highlighted Luigi's weakness much more than Squall's strength. To put it this way, pre-KH Squall would've had a close match with Luigi. And as his match with Samus showed, Squall's still nowhere near the cream of the crop, and he's not at the doors of the Noble Nine like many seem to think he is. And then there's Tidus, but I already wrote about that in great detail.

#1 bis: Gordon Freeman

Just because no matter how much we think he sucks, he's such a supergenius he always finds a way to do worse.

I'm not sure why. "BOT OMG MMAC IS OLDSKOOL GUUUUUDNESS!!!!" So were Sonic Mega Collection, the Super Mario Advance games, Zelda Collector's Edition... and I doubt it changed much. Mind you, I'm still trying to figure out why in the world Megaman is so popular here in the first place.

The Super Mario Advance games sell at $30 dollars a piece and are specifically targeted on the Game Boy Advance. The Legend of Zelda Collection you could only get if your registered two games or bought a brand-new GameCube all together, and Sonic Mega Collection was exclusive to the GameCube.

Mega Man Anniversary Collection is suppose to be getting craploads of advertisement from Capcom and it appears on more than one console/handheld. Those two consoles mind you are the two most popular ones here (GCN and PS2), and its soon to be released on the GBA. Plus, plus, it's a mere $30.00 for that one game. Not owning it is like not taking free money. =P

I'm not saying it'll do the trick for him, but it is much more favorable than prior collections.
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Nominate the mad scientist, Dr. Wily, for the Summer 2004 Contest!
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/NominateWily.GIF

Oh and great write-up Slow that was fun to read. =)

Sephiroth COULD win this contest: but if he does, it'll be by his own merit, not some anti-vote hocus pocus.

Just one more thing though...

I agree.
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Nominate the mad scientist, Dr. Wily, for the Summer 2004 Contest!
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/NominateWily.GIF

Forgot to add that it's the only collection to come out near the same time as the contest. So, what I'm really getting at there is that it would be much more effective than the ones mentioned prior.
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Nominate the mad scientist, Dr. Wily, for the Summer 2004 Contest!
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/NominateWily.GIF

You do have a point. But for some reason, I think the people targeted would probably vote for Megaman regardless, so any important improvement (read: scoring over 40% on any of the big three) is going to be hard to get.

Besides, the contest begins in a whole month, and almost two others will have passed when Mega gets to the big matches.
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SC2K4 Status - Nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Yoshi, Ganondorf, Ridley, CATS

o_O

Holy crap. I think I'm the first one to point that out:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/nes/

OMG... this is just...
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SC2K4 Status - Nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Yoshi, Ganondorf, Ridley, CATS

http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/nes/

Well, I saw it too, but.. yeah, you were first to point it.
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Because how could I not do this forbidden thing, when it feels so good!

That's true, and the bad thing about it. I, for one, am hoping this collection gives Mega Man some kind of boost that puts him up for a win. I haven't yet seen the week sales for the game, but I'd find it pretty funny if it has come semi-close to outselling MGS: TTS.
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Nominate the mad scientist, Dr. Wily, for the Summer 2004 Contest!
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/NominateWily.GIF

Yes, the NES FAQ list has been absolutely pwned by Mega Man. =P

The Anniversary Collection also shot up on the Top 10 FAQ list to number 1 but is at number 6 currently.
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Nominate the mad scientist, Dr. Wily, for the Summer 2004 Contest!
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/NominateWily.GIF

Essentially, MMAC's role will boil down to these two questions:

1. How much of this "invasion" is caused by voters who support Megaman anyway?

2. How long will it last?

I'm under the impression that while it may give him an edge over other characters in his own tier (Mario, Crono, Samus), it's not going to be significant enough from an overall point of view.
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SC2K4 Status - Nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Yoshi, Ganondorf, Ridley, CATS

Yeah. It seems to the fit the "not effective overall" picture, but does give him the advantage over Mario and Crono. I hope it affects the big picture, but from the looks of it, it might not be the "KH boost" so to speak that MM would need.
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Nominate the mad scientist, Dr. Wily, for the Summer 2004 Contest!
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/NominateWily.GIF

For Mega Man to receive the "Kingdom Hearts" boost, he would have to get a game that would expose him to a new audience. Most people buying the AC are going to be Mega Man fans anyway, so I don't think it'll have that much of an impact.

Oh, and as far as Squall is concerned, I'm one of his biggest fans on the board and even I know he's nowhere close to the elite. Who have to been talking to, Slow? He's a legit Sweet Sixteen competitor, but not much more than that...right now, anyway.

I think he'd beat Tidus head-to-head, too. If CJayC does do brackets by company, that would probably be the ONLY intriguing matchup in the Square division, if it even happened.
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Summer Contest Nominations: Squall Leonhart, Frog, Musashi, Diddy Kong, Sub-Zero, Serge, Viewtiful Joe, Kirby, Vyse, Vivi

There are many people who think Squall would beat people like Zero and Aeris. As it stands, he's just not quite there yet. You didn't see them?
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SC2K4 Status - Nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Yoshi, Ganondorf, Ridley, CATS

For Mega Man to receive the "Kingdom Hearts" boost, he would have to get a game that would expose him to a new audience. Most people buying the AC are going to be Mega Man fans anyway, so I don't think it'll have that much of an impact.

Well if Capcom would get into gear and do the advertising they said they would that might be a possibility. I mean being on the PS2 and GCN has major benefits, but obviously if it doesn't get exposure to other people (no advertising) then it more than likely would be just already existing MM fans buying it.
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Nominate the mad scientist, Dr. Wily, for the Summer 2004 Contest!
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/NominateWily.GIF

In fact, that's kind of how Advent Children goes. The game isn't coming out for a while and the only people who are remotely interested in it now are fans of FFVII. So unless Square gives AC advertising it'll fall into that category as well.
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Nominate the mad scientist, Dr. Wily, for the Summer 2004 Contest!
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/NominateWily.GIF

For some reason I think Megaman is much more fit to be on the Gamecube. Remember Snake's expedition on the Cube, and Sonic going to PS2 and X-Box?
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SC2K4 Status - Nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Yoshi, Ganondorf, Ridley, CATS

Nope, I must have missed that. It would be great if Squall was that strong, but he's not. His popularity does have plenty of room to grow though as the FFVIII hate seems to be waning as the years go by.
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Summer Contest Nominations: Squall Leonhart, Frog, Musashi, Diddy Kong, Sub-Zero, Serge, Viewtiful Joe, Kirby, Vyse, Vivi

More than likely. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the GCN version outsells the PS2 version, and at GameFAQs the GCN version seems to be the more popular one.
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Nominate the mad scientist, Dr. Wily, for the Summer 2004 Contest!
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/NominateWily.GIF

From the front page:

There may be one more chance for you to help decide the way the brackets are set up, so stay tuned...

Please, oh please, regular set-up please...
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SC2K4 Status - Nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Yoshi, Ganondorf, Ridley, CATS

Gulp...

Though a 'Fodder Division' would be lovely too...
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Noms: Frog, Vivi, Dr. Wily, Seifer, Chocobo, Sigma, Sweet Tooth, Maximo, Rayne (BloodRayne), and Kitana (MK)!

No, it's too risky that Freeman wins a match, causing the universe to implode.

If CJayC comes to the board and asks, feel free to show him the arbitrary brackets I've made in the last topic. Just to get the message across: the idea is crap.
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SC2K4 Status - Nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Yoshi, Ganondorf, Ridley, CATS

No, it's too risky that Freeman wins a match, causing the universe to implode.


XD
XD
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Because how could I not do this forbidden thing, when it feels so good!

So, I've taken all 10 brackets that have been posted (8 compiled, 2 separate after it), and awarded points per prediction

I gave 17 points per 1 seed, down to 1 point per 16 seed, and then ranked each name in order. Forgive me if I misread anything:

Rank. Name (points)
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1. Cloud (157)
2. Link (151)
3. Sephiroth (142)
4. Megaman (127)
5. Mario (126)
6. Chrono (120)
7. Samus (100)
8. Solid Snake (92)
9. Sonic (74)
10. Magus (72)
11. Ganondorf (62)
12. Zero (40)
13. Aeris (29)
14. Titus (26)
15. Bowser (16)
16. Auron (5)
17. Frog (4)
18. Shadow (3)
19. TommyV (1)

______________


Maybe future predictions could add to this compilation also, which gives an even clearer picture of the topic consensus.

Pretty cool how close MegaMan / Mario are, and how close Magus is to Sonic, despite Sonic recieving every single 9 seed so far.

I think the petition we sent him earlier (dethaddr e-mailed him) could have given him reason to believe the idea was crap. So hopefully we see normal brackets!

And as for the bracket, you don't know how close I am to putting Mega Man as my winner on the bracket. So, so close to doing it...
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Nominate the mad scientist, Dr. Wily, for the Summer 2004 Contest!
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/NominateWily.GIF

I think the petition we sent him earlier (dethaddr e-mailed him) could have given him reason to believe the idea was crap. So hopefully we see normal brackets!

I think so too. It's good to see Ceej paying attention to the fans about this matter. Do you guys think he put up a poll for the bracket setup, or maybe even ask who should be seeded where? (Kind of a long shot but who knows)
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Nominating: Morrigan, Aya, Strider, Chun-Li, Slayer, Nightmare, Taki, Zero, Dr Wily, Viewtiful Joe

Despite what certain people believe if there are good points brought up he will change his mind on the matter. I remember seeing him post a topic on the FAQ Contributor board saying how he didn't want people sending in a guide with all 10 Mega Man games in them, then someone went through and picked his post apart, put some good reasoning, and he changed his stance on the matter. So it can be done. =P

Anyway, I'm not sure what exactly he would plan to do or even if it deals with the brackets format. I'm eagerly awaiting to see what it is though, heh.
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Nominate the mad scientist, Dr. Wily, for the Summer 2004 Contest!
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/NominateWily.GIF

This will be the 3rd time I ask this question ever, and hopefully this will be the 1st time you guys will ever give me a good answer.

How do you use the extrapolated method to figure out what one character could get on another, how to predict future contest matches, and everything else it could do?

The 1st time I asked, no one answered. The 2nd time I asked, all I got was how to figure out what Phantasy Star would get against Pitfall, which is very limited.

So, any of you big shots gonna help me or what?
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Extrapolated explanation: http://sc2k4.com/extrapolated.php
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Nominate the mad scientist, Dr. Wily, for the Summer 2004 Contest!
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/NominateWily.GIF

Yeah, but it doesn't tell me how to use the percentages to figure extrapolation (although I think I have an idea of it), and it doesn't mention how to predict future matches. creativename (I think it was him) said a while back that the extrapolated method predicted Seph to beat Mario by 60%.
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err...with 60%
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I must be dense. I tried to use it, and I can't get the result for Samus against Cloud that the site does.
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My top 16 going into 2k4:

Cloud
Link
Seph
Mega
Mario
Crono
Samus
Magus
Snake
Sonic
Zero
Ganon
Aeris
Auron
Tidus
Alucard (This one's for you, slow)
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I stand second only to the one and only Lord of Gurus, UltimaterializerX who bested me by no less than 11 points!

Okay here are my observations on the roster as I look at the bracket, forgive me if this post seems jumbled

*I somehow had the feeling that two of the big three would see each other in the elite 8, but my money would have on Link/Sephy since they haven't seen each other since 2k2. But I like Cloud/Sephy, keeps us from have an all FF7 matchup again.

*Biggest things that jump out as far as seeding the Noble Nine, Sonic somehow manages to regain a #1 despite the mixed reviews of Sonic Heroes, And I would have never believed Mario to ever be bumped down to a #2, and oh look who's at #3 in the same bracket...Crono.

*Speaking of three seeds, Crono, Ryu Hayabusa, Auron, & Master Chief...better than the last two years, but something tells me the curse will still be alive in the Character Battle

*What does it say about the Street Fighter fanbase when Ryu, strongest of the cast, is the only one to make it back, and is dropped 5 spots from last year...does 40% against Samus & Snake mean nothing?

*Sticking on fighters, surprising that Terry actually makes the cut. Out of the three King of Fighters that appeared in 2k2, I felt was the most deserving to come back, losing to Aya, who turned out to be roughly equal to DK.

*I count 15 new characters, nice to see.

* So it appears that 60 nominations will NOT get you in the contest, as Slayer is absent. It was a grand try by the GGXX Nomination Project.

*We finally have our third Mega Man character, but uh-oh, look who's he's facing, Zero!

*A lot of the seeding dumbfounds me, most notabley: Ness & Magus at #6, Kefka at #7 and is opponent Knuckles at #10, and Bowser at #7???

*Anyway, a nice looking bracket, I look into more later, but I just wanted to get my inital thoughts down.
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Nominating: Morrigan, Aya, Strider, Chun-Li, Slayer, Nightmare, Taki, Zero, Dr Wily, Viewtiful Joe

I like the bracket, but some of the seeding is pretty shoddy (Sonic #1, the 3-seed curse returning AGAIN.)
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

That Proto Man deal is rediculous... <<

Anyway, I actually like this bracket since it has a lot of good matchups but the only problem is a lot of good characters are going out way to early.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner - Mega Man
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Sam Fisher vs Gordan Freeman. BEST. MATCHUP. EVER.
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Anyone but Cloud for Summer Contest 2004!
Chrono Cross points: 160

Damn, I was hoping for Gordon Freeman vs. CATS. Oh well, always next year...

And considering X-Box hate, could Mr. Freeman stand a chance?
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summoner? wtf! summoner=Yuna Taru=midgit GaryPayton LA

Opinions (with what I'm going to put down to follow):

Samus has the easiest path to the last 8, closely followed by Link.

How is Bomberman seeded above Scorpion?

No Starcraft-ness that I can see, and indeed there are a lot of new names I don't recognise.

Crono's got a tough path, hasn't he?

Anyways, my winners:

Round 1:

Link, Alucard, Yoshi, Luigi, Magus, Crono, Bowser, Mario
Mega Man, Tidus, Tommy, Zero, Frog, Master Chief, Kefka, Solid Snake
Cloud, Laharl, Kirby, Squall, Jak, Auron, Donkey Kong, Sephiroth
Sonic, Ryu, Viewtiful Joe, Dante, Sora, Ryu, Sam Fisher (duh), Samus

Round 2:

Link, Luigi, Crono, Mario
Mega Man, Zero, Frog, Solid Snake
Cloud, Squall, Auron, Sephiroth
Sonic, Dante, Sora, Samus

Last 16:

Link, Crono, Mega Man, Solid Snake, Cloud, Sephiroth, Sonic, Samus

Quarter Finals onwards:

Link, Mega Man, Sephiroth, Samus, with Sephiroth beating Link in the final. Laugh away :-)
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Jon Thomson - final score : 138/192

Knuckles vs. Kefka...who will win? If Knux pulls it out, we'll see him face Snake...for a THIRD time.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

I'm going with Knuckles.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner - Mega Man
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Knuckles...easy
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Wow, I didn't even notice that...is that like some sick joke by Ceej or something? I'm not really a Knux fan, but come on, three years in a row we're getting Snake/Knux in the 2nd round? *shakes head in disgust*
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Nominating: Morrigan, Aya, Strider, Chun-Li, Slayer, Nightmare, Taki, Zero, Dr Wily, Viewtiful Joe

BTW, I'm not changing the bottom line of this sig until next year's bracket is announced.
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Jon Thomson - final score : 138/192
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Crono vs. Magus in the second round. Does Magus have a shot at capturing the win here via SFF?
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1903, 1912, 1915, 1916, 1918, 2004!
Nominate Frog for Summer Contest 2004.

It looks like the seedings, for the most part, are based off nominations.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner - Mega Man
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Crono vs. Magus in the second round. Does Magus have a shot at capturing the win here via SFF?

Unlikely, but it may happen. Personally, I don't see how you could vote Crono over Magus, so I'll probably end up with Magus winning this... I bet I'll regret it.
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Aeowyn is my Goddess - Heroic Tails here

I see Crono taking it...60-40.
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While the discussion is mostly about which character wins the contest, I would be interested to know which user people think will get the highest score. I think the smart money (and my own, not literally of course) will be on ultimaterializerX repeating his feat from the best game contest, even if it's in a controversial manner.

Cloud and Sephiroth in the same division...While I suppose it isn't really fair to put #1 and 2 from last year in the same division, I do like this. It gives us 2 "contested" spots in the Final Four, as opposed to 1. A change I would prefer in this bracket is to put Mario in place of Sonic, who is moved to Crono's space. Crono is moved to Samus's slot, and Samus is moved to Mario's. That would give us Mario vs. Crono IV, as well as Magus vs. Sonic, and then Magus/Sonic vs. Samus. I suppose it's time to change my sig, as Frog got in.
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1903, 1912, 1915, 1916, 1918, 2004!
Remember the 3rd GameFAQs Poll of the Day.

Pssh, it's mine this year. =P
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner - Mega Man
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As there will be over 40,000 brackets most likely, there is a very small chance of correctly picking the winning user. Oh, and did CJayC announce who won the previous contest yet?
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Remember the 3rd GameFAQs Poll of the Day.

OK, I'm sorry. Although I appreciate the diversity, where the **** are Zelda and Aeris?

Aeris made the Sweet Sixteen twice. How is that not good enough to justify a spot in the contest?
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Wait.. you wanted normal people, and you did this on LUE. That was your first mistake.--GCWolf

Aeris made the Sweet Sixteen twice. How is that not good enough to justify a spot in the contest?

Ceej has a topic here where he says in the top 32 nominated characters got in, and Aeris wasn't even in the top 100. We're hoping Ceej can print out that list from us to see.
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Nominating: Morrigan, Aya, Strider, Chun-Li, Slayer, Nightmare, Taki, Zero, Dr Wily, Viewtiful Joe

Ceej has a topic here where he says in the top 32 nominated characters got in, and Aeris wasn't even in the top 100. We're hoping Ceej can print out that list from us to see.

Ah. I found the topic.

That is such a stupid excuse. Aeris has clearly proven herself. Shouldn't making the Sweet Sixteen twice count more than what company you're from (the 10 from each company rule)?
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Yuna didn't make it, HA! Still, Strider didn't make it...yet Guybrush did?! Preposterous! Kain really ticks me off, though...either Kain Highwind or Strider (the guy who beat the guy from the same game as Kain) could've had his place!

Wow...this is quite the contest. This seems to be far more unpredictable than last year's summer contest, and there are rematches galore. Too bad none of them will probably change, except for maybe Mario vs. Crono. Think of the outrage if Snake beats Mega Man this year, though.

I'll go and mention that matches that have at least a little uncertainty:

Tidus vs. Shadow the Hedgehog
Frog vs. Liquid Snake -_-
Master Chief vs. Crash (though I really can't see MC losing)
Vyse vs. Laharl
Ness vs. Jak
Vivi vs. Donkey Kong
Viewtiful Joe vs. Tails
Sora vs. HK-47
Ryu Hayabusa vs. Jill Valentine

I would definitely pick Master Chief, Vivi, and HK-47 to win, though. Vyse and Joe SHOULD take their matches, but I'd really like to see Tails win. :/ I'm hoping Ness can take out Jak, but they're both worthless.

Also, let's see who was snubbed from last year...

AiAi
Pikachu
Fox
Isaac
Felix
Ken Masters
Captain Olimar
Wario
Tom Nook
Ramza
Raziel
Raiden
Yuna
Aeris (almost missed her)
Kite
zelda (surprisingly)
Mr. Resetti

2 characters appeared in 2002, appeared in 2004, but not in 2003: Terry Bogard and Guybrush Threepwood.

So, that's 17 different characters betwen this year and last year, as opposed to 30 between the 2002 and 2003 Summer Contests.

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Tidus vs. Shadow the Hedgehog - Shadow gets the win here. 45% on Mario is impressive. Period. (Yes, I am a bit biased here.) >_>

Frog vs. Liquid Snake - Frog. Only thing that makes this match so hard is the fact that both characters are new.

Master Chief vs. Crash - I don't even think Chief is hated enough to lose against Crash. Felix is weaker than Crash though...

Vyse vs. Laharl - The votes totals for this match will be atrocious. Both characters are not well known. I'll give it to Vyse just because I can at least recognize his name.

Ness vs. Jak - Ness...as weak as he is, he is known more than Jak

Vivi vs. Donkey Kong - DK. Can he go a match without give someone a heart attack?

Viewtiful Joe vs. Tails - Joe. He might be new, but he is pretty popular on the site. Getting a 5 seed in his first Contest is pretty good.

Sora vs. HK-47 - Another toss-up. We'll see if HK-47 can live up to the hype. I'm putting Sora in my bracket though.

Ryu Hayabusa vs. Jill Valentine - Ryu, I guess. Jill hasn't been much for me.

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Chaos Division
(1) Sonic the Hedgehog
...
(2) Samus Aran

...i don't care who deserves the seed more, or how predictable the result will be.
this just made my day.
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My Top 5 Toughest First-Round Matches To Predict:
5. (6) Sora vs. (11) HK-47 (Star Wars KOTOR)
Common wisdom would lead you to believe that the much cooler HK-47 would dominate. However, Kingdom Hearts is still a strong force on GameFAQs, and HK-47's lack of known popularity could lead to his downfall. I'll take HK-47, but I'm just not certain if he has enough mainstream appeal to win.

4. (7) Kefka vs. (10) Knuckles the Echidna
Kefka's dismal performance in the last character contest would lead you to believe that Knuckles has this match in the bag. But you still can't count Kefka out, with Sonic Team's popularity dwindling and Final Fantasy's strength holding strong. Knuckles is the early pick, but expect this match to be a close one.

3. (3) Ryu Hayabusa vs. (14) Jill Valentine
I really don't know what to make of this match. Ninja Gaiden has certainly earned a lot of popularity as a game, but will that lead to success for its most popular character, especially on GameFAQs? And Jill has performed excellently in the past two contests, but will her popularity still be high enough to compete against Ryu? Too many questions, too little answers. I'm picking Ryu, just on a whim.

2. (8) Tidus vs. (9) Shadow the Hedgehog
Both performed well in the last contest (Shadow received 40% against Mario, while Tidus almost beat the very strong Ganondorf), and tend to be viewed in overall rankings with even strength. Shadow is the "cooler" character, but Tidus's game and franchise have showed much more recent strength than Sonic has. I'd have to take Shadow, based on my hatred for Tidus, but I really don't know for certain. Tidus DID do well against Ganondorf...

1. (6) Ness (Earthbound) vs. (11) Jak
I have NO idea what to say about this one...Ness performed horribly in SC2k3, and Earthbound was defeated by Doom soundly in the Spring, but Jak hasn't shown anything that would lead me to believe he can beat Ness. No appearances in character or game contests before, less nominations, and less cult fan support make him the most confusing choice in the contest. I'll go with Ness for now, but I can't help but believe I'm making the same mistake as those who picked him over Bowser last year and EB over Doom...
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Tidus vs. Shadow the Hedgehog-Shadow easily. He got 45 agains Mario, no way Tidus could do that.
Frog vs. Liquid Snake-Frog easily again, other characters from CT have really well.

Master Chief vs. Crash-Easy match again, goes to MC

Vyse vs. Laharl-I'll take Vyse because he has been in this contest before and lot more people have played SoA then
Disgaea

Ness vs. Jak-Ness has nintendo support while jak doesn't have nintendo or square, so i pick ness

Vivi vs. Donkey Kong-Tought match, DK barely lost to Vercetti which i think would beat Vivi. I take DK, but I migh change that

Viewtiful Joe vs. Tails-Viewtiful Joe because Tails's performance the past two years have been bad and viewtiful joe with his new game should have the edge.

Sora vs. HK-47-Sora because he got 35% against Aeris and HK-47 came from Xbox which doesn't have a lot of support on this site.

Ryu Hayabusa vs. Jill Valentine-Ryu because of his new game and a lot of people are familiar with him. Plus he got a ton of nominations from people and Jill I think is fading.
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On general concensus, I compiled a list of hard round one matches. I successively make our brackets, we must see how others respond to these matches. Place your opinions, please.

(8)Ganondorf =1
(9)Alucard

(8)Tidus
(9)Shadow the Hedgehog =1

(6)Frog =1
(11)Liquid Snake

(8)Vyse =1
(9)Laharl

(6)Ness
(11)Jak =1

(7)Vivi
(10)Donkey Kong =1

(5)Viewtiful Joe =1
(12)Tails

(6)Sora
(11)HK-47 =1

(3)Ryu Hayabusa =1
(14)Jill Valentine

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(8)Ganondorf...easily.
(9)Shadow the Hedgehog...very close.
(6)Frog =1
(9)Laharl
(6)Ness...extremely tough.
(7)Vivi...looks like Black Mage from 8-Bit theater, plus is the "cool" character in FF9. DK's popularity is dwindling to new lows.
(5)Viewtiful Joe...close.
(11)HK-47
(3)Ryu Hayabusa
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Proud supporter of Kefka, Knuckles, Samus, Viewtiful Joe, and Zero for SC2k4!

Heh heh. The Chaos division is appropriately named. there are more difficult matches to call in it than in the entire rest of the contest. Mercifully, none of them are worth many points.
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Yeah, but it doesn't tell me how to use the percentages to figure extrapolation (although I think I have an idea of it), and it doesn't mention how to predict future matches. creativename (I think it was him) said a while back that the extrapolated method predicted Seph to beat Mario by 60%.

Well, you really can't be sure about that kind of stuff...you simply try all sorts of extrapolated calculations, especially "what if" stuff and try to "average" it all out.

Let's use this 4-pack in the 2003 contest, and you want to predict who wins out of Ryu or Dante the next round:

Ryu vs. Duke Nukem - Ryu wins with 70%
Dante vs. Ryo Hazuki - Dante wins with 78%

Now, extrapolations from the 2002 predict Ryu to beat Duke with 74.75%, and Dante to beat Ryo Hazuki with 64.61%. Extrapolations from 2002 between Ryu and Dante predict Ryu to win with 63.86%. While Dante and Ryu overperformed, Dante did so by a far greater amount. If you assume Ryu's and Dante's popularity changed, but not Ryo Hazuki's or Duke Nukem's, then you do a bit more complicated stuff. (divide Hazuki's value by 22%, multiply by 1/2 to get another value for Dante, and then divide Duke's value by 30% and multiply by 1/2 to get Ryu's value, and then test those two numbers). Those predict Dante to win with 63-64%. With these two "what if" cases, Dante could win with up to 64%, but Ryu could also win with up to 64%. So, um, from there, you use your best judgement.

Oh geez, I shouldn't have used such a difficult example, but I already typed it all up.

Okay, so there's more stuff you can do than that to try and predict stuff, but I hope you sorta understand it now.

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A look at Chichiri's mind...

Huh?! Someone suddenly there's a crap-load of posts about the bracket... how long was I asleep?

WTF!?!?! Aeris is gone? Say it ain't so! *actually checkes the bracket* Mother of god, ceej is insane! The bastard!

Second match... Ganon and Alucard? ****... that's ****ed up.

Yoshi, 5 seed? When will you learn you Aeris snubbing bastard?!

Luigi a 4 in the same division? I love Luigi, and I'm glad to see that he has a real chance of making the sweet 16... but Jesus that's not right. And what, 4 Mario characters in one division, wiht the 2 Zelda chars... it's almost a bracket divided by company...

Luca Blight... he was campaigned for less than Ghaleon, so my pal from Lunar should make it, right? RIGHT?!?

Magus/Crono Round 2, Mario/Crono round 3? This looks like a fan bracket...

Tidus/Shadow... close one, seeds are seperated properly... yet they are BOTH 4 or 5 seeds lower than they should be...

The next four pack... god, I don't even want to comment on how many kinds of wrong that is.

And Frog, a much campaigned for character, makes the cut. I supported the frog fans, not as a big fan myself, but because justice must be served. Yet, at what cost... Aeris... Jeez... that's not right. He best do as well as her. Oh wait, we should be seeign him face to face with Snake (solid) in round 3.

And speaking of... can't Knuckles be cut a break, just once? No? Okay, fine, you're lucky I'm not a huge Sonic fan, Ceej.

Vyse/Laharl... thank god it's only worht 1 point.

Kain? You're kidding me. Strider deserved it, dammit, and someone will pay for this.

Auron/Seph round 3... But wait... urge to kill rising! Vivi out in the second round, Seph stripped of his rightful 1 seed... hulk.... SMASH!!!!

Yay! Terry is back! WTF, a 16 seed? Someone's a bastard....

Ryu... shafted... screwed up

Could Tails win one? Well, probably not, but this is the best chance he's ever been given.

Dante to round 3!

Ryu Hayabusa a 3 seed? Someone never learns... Then again, I htink he'll take that 4 pack pretty easily, and may put up a fight against Samus.

Sam.. Gordon... sam... gordon... Ex 3 seeds do battle for the honor of not being the worst character to "earn" a 3 seed. Who will win? Who gives a crap. They'd both lose to Samus even if they could combine forces. Hell, they'd collectively lose to a pong paddle if it were eligable. And speaking of Samus... Let's hope her victory finally puts the tomb raider ***** to rest permanently. If Lara sees the light of 2k5 I'm buying a shotgun, naming it Aeris, and reminding ceej that he snubbed the second and third strongest female characters and gave the crapfest that is Lara Croft another undeserved chance.

Overall:
Without Aeris you can't legitimately claim anyone as an "elite cuttoff point". That's Aeris' job, always has been. Anyone stronger than Aeris was in the elite (top 9 for 2k2, top 12 or 13 for 2k3), anyone weaker wasn't. She beat MC, he's back she isn't. Zelda beat Lara, Lara is back and Zelda isn't. "Snubbing" Aya was alright, because being at DK's level does't make you all that impressive... But Aeris and Zelda could both whoop DK's ass without breakign a sweat. Those are two high profile snubs, and even worse than Megaman in the spring since there is no legitimate reason AND there is past evidence to prove why it shouldn't be done.
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Yay! Another Aeris supporter. Sign the petition.
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Those are nice analysises, Haste, and Chichiri.

(6)Ness = TIE
(11)Jak

(8)Vyse = TIE
(9)Laharl

(8)Tidus
(9)Shadow the Hedgehog =2

(8)Ganondorf =2
(9)Alucard

(6)Frog =2
(11)Liquid Snake

(5)Viewtiful Joe =2
(12)Tails

(6)Sora
(11)HK-47 =2

(3)Ryu Hayabusa =2
(14)Jill Valentine

I removed DK vs Vivi because it's now obvious Vivi will win.
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(6)Ness
(8)Vyse
(9)Shadow the Hedgehog
(8)Ganondorf
(6)Frog
(5)Viewtiful Joe
(6)Sora
(3)Ryu Hayabusa
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(11)Jak

(8)Vyse

(8)Tidus

(8)Ganondorf

(6)Frog

(12)Tails

(6)Sora

(3)Ryu Hayabusa

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its obvious ViVi will win? I'm sorry, but while this is RPGFAQs, Donkey Kong has a huge advantage in the recognizable name, and the casual vote will favor DK.

CJ said it himself, most of the voting is from the General Public. This board is very biased, and we immerse ourselves into its opinions too much.

I found this and stole it from RockMFR 5.

I had to change the key a bit because "My HTML is not well-formed".

~Hyrule Division~
(1) Link
(16) CATS
(8) Ganondorf
(9) Alucard

(5) Yoshi
(12) Ryo Hazuki
(4) Luigi
(13) Pac-Man

(6) Magus
(11) Luca Blight
(3) Crono
(14) Conker

(7) Bowser
(10) Guybrush Threepwood
(2) Mario
(15) JC Denton (Deus Ex)

~20XX Division~
(1) Mega Man
(16) Earthworm Jim
(8) Tidus
(9) Shadow the Hedgehog

(5) Tommy Vercetti
(12) Max Payne
(4) Zero
(13) Protoman

(6) Frog (Chrono Trigger)
(11) Liquid Snake
(3) Master Chief
(14) Crash Bandicoot

(7) Kefka
(10) Knuckles the Echidna
(2) Solid Snake
(15) Tanner (Driver)

~Midgar Division~
(1) Cloud Strife
(16) Duke Nukem
(8) Vyse
(9) Laharl (Disgaea)

(5) Kirby
(12) Kain (Legacy of Kain)
(4) Squall Leonhart
(13) Bomberman

(6) Ness (Earthbound)
(11) Jak
(3) Auron
(14) Scorpion

(7) Vivi
(10) Donkey Kong
(2) Sephiroth
(15) Sly Cooper

~Chaos Division~
(1) Sonic the Hedgehog
(16) Terry Bogard
(8) KOS-MOS
(9) Ryu (Street Fighter)

(5) Viewtiful Joe
(12) Miles "Tails" Prower
(4) Dante
(13) Ratchet

(6) Sora
(11) HK-47 (Star Wars KOTOR)
(3) Ryu Hayabusa
(14) Jill Valentine

(7) Sam Fisher
(10) Gordon Freeman
(2) Samus Aran
(15) Lara Croft

Bold ~ Nintendo
Italics ~ Square

Discuss.
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Yes, Vivi will win. The casual vote doesn't favor DK, it makes him look like a chump. He's just a floaty little chump who can't do any real damage, he's so weak he's the only character to have ever suffered from SEVERE SFF, and to top it all off he lost to Tommy V. DK isn't a top 20 character, he's not even really a top 30 character, and if you saw Xenogears vs. Pokemon then you should know damn well that sometimes the general populace is even less favorable to the mainstream contestant than the boards are! DK is a chump, and even if he does pull a miracle out of his flea ridden ass he's still not going to get a solid win. He'll always be a chump.
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My early analyses on some upcoming matches:

Ganondorf vs. Alucard - well, Alucard did appear to improve from 2002 to 2003. Nonetheless, Alucard still struggled with Kirby, while Ganondorf and Tidus and those guys are way higher than Kirby. Ganondorf WILL win, even if it's by a small margin (though I'm thinking closer to 60%).

Tidus vs. Shadow the Hedgehog - first thing to note is this: Shadow is higher in the extrapolated rankings than Tidus is. So what? If you noticed, Wario lost to Shadow last year, and he's almost as high as Luigi is in those rankings! Yeah, right. I'm almost certain Shadow overperformed against Mario. I don't think Tidus is slumping any time soon, judging by last summer.

Vivi vs. Donkey Kong - Donkey Kong nearly lost to Aya Brea last year. That was pretty impressive of Aya for being part of a lesser Squaresoft title. I don't see any reason for Vivi to lose this one. He's got a bigger name behind him, has the famous black mage appearance, and is well-liked in general.

Ryu Hayabusa vs. Jill Valentine - Okay, I'm still having trouble with this match, but from what I could tell, Ryu H. does not have much going for him in looks. Being a ninja is supposed to help a character do better in something like this, but he doesn't look anywhere NEAR as sleek as Strider. Besides, what was Ryu in? A few nearly forgotten NES games? An X-Box game? Jill, on the otherhand, defeated Kirby and Bomberman 2 years ago, with little proof of declining, especially with Samus' suspicious underperformance against Link.

Well, that's my reasoning for a possible upset, anyway. We can't count Jill out just yet. I say it's impressive she even made it in the contest again, after being an 11-seed last year and losing to the gunblade lad.

Heh, cool. I just realized that there was not only Link vs. Ganondorf, but Bowser vs. Mario. Luigi vs. Mario still would've been better, though!

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"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

The bracket is out, and so is another edision of Tnotez Take:

Hyrule Division: Poor CATS... why won't the Jesus just let us GFAQoholics have our CATS/Gordon matchup?I would be lying if I said I knew who Guybrush is. I would also be lying if I said Luigi deserves that 4 seed. Ooh well. I WILL get my Crono/Mario round three that I have been pining for since the Jesus screwed Crono last summer. I have heard some mumbling about Magus giving Crono some trouble, and to that I say Magus better worry about the Madd Prince before he worries about Crono. Alucard/Gannondorf should be a good one, though in the Hyrule Division I cannot imagine Alucard's Plan having the Anti-Jesus' son advance past Hyrule's villain. Link yawns his way to the final four, but will he defeat Crono or Mario to do it? History says Mario, but the T-Note says it's Chrono Trigger's year. Ryu Hazuki? I thought he was the new foreign exchange student... maybe not. Who gets thumped by Link? I say Luigi, though Yoshi winning wouldn't shock me in the least. Moving on...

20XX Division: Yay for Earthworm Jim! I knew I forgot someone to nominate. We welcome you to the tourney with a 16 seed and a butt-whooping courtesy of last place's final four participant. Better luck next year tiger. Tidus/Shadow... in the 1st round... as 8/9 seeds? Come on... who did Master Chief sleep with to pull a 3 seed over these two? Don't answer that... earlier in the week I discussed with HM about Zero v. Vercetti, and how I thought they were evenly matched, but my bias gave the edge to the hawaiian shirt-wearing Italian. And while my heart with always belong to Tommy, all my bracket support are belong to Zero... Liotta's voice acting just cannot compete with compilation game set. And my leap of faith of the top half of the bracket... everybody's favorite green theme songed character will Master a few Snakes on his way to the elite eight. And if he does not, my bracket will die with him. Chrono Trigger was the second best. game. ever. I think that its third best. character. ever. is enough to take out this half of the bracket... but not enough for Mega Man, who has a date with Link in the Final Four. Bottom half of the bracket coming next...

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SC04 Noms: CATS, Crono, Frog, Vincent, Vivi, Tommy Vercetti, Kefka, Luca Blight, Mewtwo and ???

I usually don`t do this, but I like you guys:

Vyse vs Laharl: Take it from me, Vyse will win this. No one knows what Disgaea even is, and its main character is supposed to win a match? I think not.

Ness vs Jak: Ness and Earthbound will always be overseeded. An interesting fact is that Jak and Dexter came with the Playstation 2 during the opening launch. Does that make it easier to choose who will obviously win this match?
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

Ok, I have about 5 entries, and I got rid of Ganondorf vs Alucard because there were unaminous votes for Ganondorf. Some of you are still confident about Ryu beating Jill, so I've leave on a bit longer.

Heroic Knuckles--What's the answer to your puzzle, Nintendo and Square? I couldn't see anything special.

(6)Ness TIE
(11)Jak

(8)Vyse = 2
(9)Laharl

(6)Sora
(11)HK-47 =1

(8)Tidus
(9)Shadow the Hedgehog =2

(6)Frog =4
(11)Liquid Snake

(5)Viewtiful Joe =2
(12)Tails

(3)Ryu Hayabusa =5
(14)Jill Valentine

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Yet in the proximity of blight, I seek the Love and the Light. <><
Word of the week= zephyr¤ a gentle breeze

"earlier in the week I discussed with HM about Zero v. Vercetti, and how I thought they were evenly matched"

Wow, it's not often that we see someone supporting a possition that has so much evidence proving it wrong...
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I stand second only to the one and only Lord of Gurus, UltimaterializerX who bested me by no less than 11 points!

I still think Jill is gonna win her 4 pack.
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This is the alternate account of swirldude.
In Soviet Russia, the TOS violates you. ~JonPen1416

I dunno if you got my opinion on these tough matches or not, but...

(6)Ness

undeceided between vyse and laharl

(6)Sora

(8)Tidus

(6)Frog =4

(5)Viewtiful Joe =2

(3)Ryu Hayabusa =5
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I stand second only to the one and only Lord of Gurus, UltimaterializerX who bested me by no less than 11 points!

Part 2 of Tnotez Take:

Midgar Division: Yawn. Cloud a 1, Sephiroth a 2... wait, the runner up of last year's contest did not receive a 1 seed? Blasphemy! Ooh well. I would be lying if I said I knew who either of the 8/9 matchup were, though I think the one is from Disgaea, whatever that is. Our pink fluffball grabs its derserved 5 seed, while everyone's favorite pink pokemon fluffball watches at home from the couch... aww, no pokemon? Not even Mewtwo... bastards! Moving on... I like the Kirby/Squall match-up, but in the Midgar division, Kirby is just out of its league... sorry, you still rule in Melee bro. Auron a 3, Scorpion a 14? WOW... winner has free pass to the sweet sixteen, but who wins? See Midgar Division. Voting for Ness or Jak is kinda liking choosing which 250 lbs. beauty you want to take to prom... nobody wins. So glad to see Vivi secure a place in the tournament, and even happier to see him face the overgrown primate. Donkey Kong couldn't beat Vivi if the Jesus linked to free video games in his battle picture. Either way, winner gets pummelled by quintessential villain, who has his date with destiny in the Elite Eight. Winner takes tourney, loser takes a whole bunch of brackets with them to visit Alucard's pops. Personally, I cannot ever see a villain outdueling his heroic counterpart (except for the Madd Prince), so Cloud, congrats on winning SC2K4. And finally...

Chaos Division: So aptly named, as it seems someone cast Chaos on the Jesus when he made this Division (props to old school gamers who know Chaos; you newbies may prefer its paralleled "Confusion"). KOS-MOS wins every damn contest on this board, but can she(he? it?) take out Street Fighter's sole rep? You extrapolated stat junkies let me know. The next four pack looks like something the Jesus left after having too much White Castle, and I have no idea what to make of it. Dante does not deserve to sniff the sweet sixteen, but something tells me he will. Ultimately, I am just bitter Sonic has a free ride to the Elite 8, while either Crono or Mario is going home. Either one of those two would treat Sonic like a diaper, but instead must battle eachother until the 24:15 mark. Everyone asked for HK-47, and the Jesus oblidged. And he gets the highly overrated Keyblade specialist. Upset city? We shall see. Was Ninja Guiden Ryu even in the damn thing last year? Does a new release really equate from no go to 3 seed? Anyways, let's rekindle the ole TJF, get Jill a proportional battle pic, and send this ninja home with his kitana between his legs. Winner of this takes out HK-47/Sora, only to eventually lose to the final four rep. of chaos... Gordon Freeman! No, seriously, just wanted to make sure you were still paying attention. Samus takes this division, but more importantly is this: Gordon may actually win a match! But if not... Sam Fisher may actually win a match! But more importantly that that: If a tree falls in the woods, and noone hears it... does it find a way to vote for 'none of the above?'


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SC04 Noms: CATS, Crono, Frog, Vincent, Vivi, Tommy Vercetti, Kefka, Luca Blight, Mewtwo and ???

(6)Ness TIE
(11)Jak

(6)Sora TIE
(11)HK-47

(8)Vyse = 2
(9)Laharl

(8)Tidus
(9)Shadow the Hedgehog =1

(6)Frog =5
(11)Liquid Snake

(5)Viewtiful Joe =3
(12)Tails

(3)Ryu Hayabusa =6
(14)Jill Valentine

About 7 entries, but some people didn't vote for all the matches. By the way, some of you guys sound quite confident. Is everybody expecting an easier contest?
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Yet in the proximity of blight, I seek the Love and the Light. <><
Word of the week= zephyr¤ a gentle breeze

I haven't read any comments yet, but I'll be quick:

THIS BRACKET ABSOLUTELY SUCKS.
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SC2K4 Status - Nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Yoshi, Ganondorf, Ridley, CATS

Chaos Division is chaos, Hyrule Division is chalk, 20XX Division is boring, and Midgar Division has three interesting matches, total. And they're all in the first round.
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Proud supporter of Kefka, Knuckles, Samus, Viewtiful Joe, and Zero for SC2k4!

Lemme see.

Hyrule Division: ABSOLUTELY NOTHING UNPREDICTABLE, save for Mario/Crono. Except if SFF goes Magus' way and he beats Crono. Full of lame-o setups. Yoshi beats Luigi, I'm pretty sure of that. Great, CATS made it. Did I mention Mario vs. Crono was this division's only saving grace?

20XX Division: Tidus/Shadow, meh. I'm convinced Tidus wins. Frog/Liquid... two untested guys, but when in doubt go with Square... Knux smashes Kefka and meets Snake AGAIN. Argh.

Midgar Division: Vyse/Laharl? This is this year's Gordon/Max, if you ask me. Disgaea dominating the FAQ list for a while is scary, though. Another Gordon/Max in Ness/Jak. Now or never for Earthbound... I'm picking Ness. Vivi/DK... eww. That's tough too. And after that, nothing of interest until Cloud/Sephy.

Chaos Division: Sonic a 1-seed? WHAT? Finally, Tails has a golden opportunity to win a match, but it's tough to predict. Sora/HK-47 seems to be a pain too. And the second round match there too! Harder to call than any 4-pack in history, I reckon. Hayabusa/Jill as well. GFNW, still. And after that, besides the aforementioned second round match... NOTHING. Samus wins the division with relative ease. SAMUS IN THE FINAL 4?!? WTF???

Random thought: We've seen all these division finals before...

Final Four: Boring semis, good Link/Cloud final.

My Elite 8: Link, Mario, Megaman, Snake, Cloud, Sephiroth, Sonic, Samus (once again it's the Mario/Crono loser who will receive the short end of the stick).

My Final 4: Link, Megaman, Cloud, Samus.

My championship: Cloud over Link.
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SC2K4 Status - Nominations: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Yoshi, Ganondorf, Ridley, CATS

Is it just me, or are the top 2 divisions horribly stacked, while the bottom 2 are weak ('cept for Cloud and Seph)...
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Moltar Fact 8: Moltar likes to play GunBound in his spare time.

This year's Gordon/Max matchup will involve one of those two again. My money's on Gordon vs. Sam. It's almost an insult to compare Vyse and Laharl to Freeman and Payne.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

Sam Fisher only got doubled by Magus.

Gordon's fate would've been far worse.
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SC2K4 Status - Elite 8: LINK (finalist), Mario, MEGAMAN, Snake, CLOUD (champion), Sephiroth, Sonic, SAMUS

Upset special of the tournament: Ryu wins the chaos Division. This from a guy who called the 128 bracket perfectly.

Hey Slow, you are runnin' the BOP again, right? When I get my bracket up and functional tomorrow afternoon, how do you want me to get it to you?
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SC04 Noms: CATS, Crono, Frog, Vincent, Vivi, Tommy Vercetti, Kefka, Luca Blight, Mewtwo and ???

Well, let me see there. Ryu lost 58-42 to Samus the first time around. Since then, Samus had Prime. Ryu had... um... oh yeah, a loss to SMRPG.
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SC2K4 Status - Elite 8: LINK (finalist), Mario, MEGAMAN, Snake, CLOUD (champion), Sephiroth, Sonic, SAMUS

Hey Tarrot, how do you get the entire 128 right, but not the other three? Seriously, I picked those in my sleep, and 128 treated me like a virgin on prom night... stupid Melee and Starcraft... and you really think someone who couldnt even make the tourney the past two years is going to win his division the first year in? Very gutsy dawg.
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SC04 Noms: CATS, Crono, Frog, Vincent, Vivi, Tommy Vercetti, Kefka, Luca Blight, Mewtwo and ???

Video games =/= Characters
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

What`s wrong with Samus in the Final Four? She deserves something after seeing all three of her games knocked out in round two this spring.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

The BOP isn't starting until Monday, to avoid all the flip-flopping of the first few days.

Everything will be indicated in the BOP topic, don't worry.

And I agree... the top is full of monsters, the bottom is for half of the Noble Nine to own.

Snub Of The Year: Aeris Gainsbourough. I would have never thought that one who ranked 14th last year wouldn't come back. This makes Aya, Strider and Morrigan's absence from SC2K3 look perfectly normal. And where ARE these three, anyway?

Oh, and CJayC is hell-bent on giving Snake the finest first round fodder.
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SC2K4 Status - Elite 8: LINK (finalist), Mario, MEGAMAN, Snake, CLOUD (champion), Sephiroth, Sonic, SAMUS

I'd love to see Samus in the Final Four, but even I'll admit she doesn't deserve it. Mario and Crono have proven much more throughout the course of the contests, but all they get is a matchup in Round 3 to make up for it...
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Proud supporter of Kefka, Knuckles, Samus, Viewtiful Joe, and Zero for SC2k4!

I dunno, it's just that seeing her stay after Sephiroth, Mario and Crono are all gone feels so wrong. Kinda like the feeling I had when I had WW outlasting all the other Zeldas.
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SC2K4 Status - Elite 8: LINK (finalist), Mario, MEGAMAN, Snake, CLOUD (champion), Sephiroth, Sonic, SAMUS

Squall has a pretty comfortable road to the Sweet Sixteen. I doubt Kirby will give him too much trouble. I like Cloud and all, but he's knocking off two of my favorite characters back to back.

...Unless Squall can miraculously get SFF in his favor! What? I can dream, can't I?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
First round: (13)Bomberman

swirl's First Look Predictions

Link vs CATS
Ganondorf vs Alucard
Yoshi vs Ryo Hazuki
Luigi vs Pac-Man
Magus vs Luca Blight
Crono vs Conker
Bowser vs Guybrush
Mario vs JC Denton

Megaman vs Earthworm Jim
Tidus vs Shadow
Tommy Vercetti vs Max Payne
Zero vs Protoman
Frog vs Liquid Snake
Master Chief vs Crash
Kefka vs Knuckles
Solid Snake vs Tanner

Cloud vs Duke Nukem
Vyse vs Laharl
Kirby vs Kain
Squall vs Bomberman
Ness vs Jak
Auron vs Scorpion
Vivi vs Donkey Kong
Sephiroth vs Sly Cooper

Sonic vs Terry
KOS-MOS vs Ryu
V. Joe vs Tails
Dante vs Ratchet
Sora vs HK-47
Ryu Hayabusa vs Jill Valentine
Sam Fisher vs Gordon Freeman
Samus vs Lara Croft

Round 2

Link vs Ganondorf
Yoshi vs Luigi
Magus vs Crono
Bowser vs Mario

Megaman vs Shadow
Tommy Vercetti vs Zero
Frog vs Master Chief
Knuckles vs Solid Snake

Cloud vs Vyse
Kirby vs Squall
Jak vs Auron
Vivi vs Sephiroth

Sonic vs Ryu
V. Joe vs Dante
Sora vs Jill Valentine
Sam Fisher vs Samus

Round 3

Link vs Luigi
Crono vs Mario

Megaman vs Zero
Frog vs Solid Snake

Cloud vs Squall
Auron vs Sephiroth

Sonic vs V. Joe
Jill Valentine vs Samus

Round 4

Link vs Mario

Megaman vs Solid Snake

Cloud vs Sephiroth

Sonic vs Samus

Round 5

Link vs Megaman

Cloud vs Samus

Championship

Link vs Cloud

This may change, but this is what I see so far.

Discuss
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This is the alternate account of swirldude.
In Soviet Russia, the TOS violates you. ~JonPen1416

How many people who do not live at this site even know who Luca Blight is? 25, maybe 30? Stupid Konami can go kiss my.... for not mass producing Suikoden II!
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7/9 Noms got into the contest... Semifinalists(at heart): Link, Luca Blight, Tommy Vercetti, Frog, Cloud, Sephiroth, Sonic, Gordon Freeman

And what did I say no later than this morning in my article? People are all over Shadow to beat Tidus. I smell the wake-up call as far as these two are concerned.

(This should've been a 4 vs. 5 match, not 8 vs. 9!)
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SC2K4 Status - Elite 8: LINK (finalist), Mario, MEGAMAN, Snake, CLOUD (champion), Sephiroth, Sonic, SAMUS

Alucard's being overestimated, too. People actually think it's going to be CLOSE when he's up against Ganondorf.
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Proud supporter of Kefka, Knuckles, Samus, Viewtiful Joe, and Zero for SC2k4!

CJayC must really have something against Aeris, I mean, ouch. She's Aeris! she's not some unknown female? And Zelda? 40% on MegaMan!!! AGH!
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Revenge is a dish best served cold.-Old Klingon Proverb
Congrats to UltimaterializerX, winner of the Guru Challenge.

(6)Ness
(11)Jak =1

(6)Sora =1
(11)HK-47

(8)Vyse = 3
(9)Laharl

(8)Tidus
(9)Shadow =2

(6)Frog =5
(11)Liquid Snake

(5)Viewtiful Joe =3
(12)Tails

(3)Ryu Hayabusa =5
(14)Jill Valentine

This is based on 8 entries. Submit your vote as to who you think will win.

Oh, and Slow, I must disagree with you. This contest is quite great because of 8 main hyped 1st round matches, and whole load of fun 2nd round matches, and an exciting ending part. I haven't been to previous character contests, but this is easier than Spring Contest, I agree. Still, because it is easier, I will have some added excitment on my part.
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Yet in the proximity of blight, I seek the Love and the Light. <><
Word of the week= zephyr¤ a gentle breeze

Ganondorf/Alucard, CLOSE? Please.

Guess I was right on the money when I talked about Zelda being neglected for someone of her power... even CJayC did!
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SC2K4 Status - Elite 8: LINK (finalist), Mario, MEGAMAN, Snake, CLOUD (champion), Sephiroth, Sonic, SAMUS

CJayC could have put a few characters much better than the low-end fodder that made it in because of mass nominations...
No Aeris? No Zelda? No Kerrigan???
He should have set up Master Chief vs Kerrrigan if he wanted to give us some entertainment! =)

oh and my thoughts for now:
(6)Ness
(11)HK-47
(8)Vyse
(8)Tidus
(6)Frog
(12)Tails
(3)Ryu Hayabusa
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SpC2k4 - Triple Crown Winner! (Spread Betting, Betting, Oracle),
yet UltimaterializerX, King of the gurus, pwned me badly

Zelda actually finished in the Top 64 (at least it seems that way by how CJayC talked in his mini-FAQ), but Aeris not even making the Top 100 is stunning. I can't believe the FF7 fanboys weren't out in full force.
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Proud supporter of Kefka, Knuckles, Samus, Viewtiful Joe, and Zero for SC2k4!

Umm... no. The only round 2 match that's of any interest is in that 4-pack of hell in Chaos division. Unless you call SFF matches exciting. OK, Magus MAY have a shot, but that's it. Luigi? No, just no.
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SC2K4 Status - Elite 8: LINK (finalist), Mario, MEGAMAN, Snake, CLOUD (champion), Sephiroth, Sonic, SAMUS

What mini-FAQ? Link. Now.
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SC2K4 Status - Elite 8: LINK (finalist), Mario, MEGAMAN, Snake, CLOUD (champion), Sephiroth, Sonic, SAMUS

I vote that when we see mistakes in other people`s brackets, we let them go =)

Anyhoo, Shadow beating Tidus makes some sense. 45% on Mario is no joke no matter how you look at it, and there is also this poll:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=984

FFX and Tidus have not aged well. The match against SSBM proved it in my opinion. The match comes down to whether or not Shadow is weaker than Sonic to the point where Tidus can make up 10000 votes.

Common sense would tell you no, but I ask you this. If this matchup were between Ganondorf and Shadow, would you be putting this much thought into it? Of course not, because Ganondorf would win with ease. We all hate Tidus, but as long as he`s on par with Ganondorf and Magus, he beats Shadow in a poll. It sucks a ****, but it`s true.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

CHANGE: I've removed Frog vs Liquid because everyone thinks Frog will win.

(6)Ness TIE
(11)Jak

(6)Sora TIE
(11)HK-47

(8)Vyse =4
(9)Laharl

(8)Tidus
(9)Shadow =1

(5)Viewtiful Joe =2
(12)Tails

(3)Ryu Hayabusa =6
(14)Jill Valentine

The second round is somewhat humorous, no, not too difficult, but funny. Villain vs Hero, and Sam vs Samus.
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Yet in the proximity of blight, I seek the Love and the Light. <><
Word of the week= zephyr¤ a gentle breeze

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=14873439

CJayC discusses snubs and other matters...
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Proud supporter of Kefka, Knuckles, Samus, Viewtiful Joe, and Zero for SC2k4!

Everyone thinks Frog wins? I do as well, but I'm still scared by what Cyko said. What if it was true?
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SC2K4 Status - Elite 8: LINK (finalist), Mario, MEGAMAN, Snake, CLOUD (champion), Sephiroth, Sonic, SAMUS

what did cyko say?
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7/9 Noms got into the contest... Semifinalists(at heart): Link, Luca Blight, Tommy Vercetti, Frog, Cloud, Sephiroth, Sonic, Gordon Freeman

Geesh, so many people who think this bracket's good. Other than a bunch of first round matches (mostly involving chumps), we have the round 2 match from hell, Mario/Crono, and the two intra-big-three matches. THAT'S IT.
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SC2K4 Status - Elite 8: LINK (finalist), Mario, MEGAMAN, Snake, CLOUD (champion), Sephiroth, Sonic, SAMUS

I think the finals will be good, for once. At least Cloud v. Link will be close, regardless of who wins.
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Proud supporter of Kefka, Knuckles, Samus, Viewtiful Joe, and Zero for SC2k4!

Cyko said Frog's lack of photogenic-ness would send him the way of Kefka.

I'm off to bed. I'll put that bracket in tomorrow, and the only place where I have huge trouble for now is that damned 4-pack (if you come up with a creative name [XD at the pun] for it in the meantime, submit it!).
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SC2K4 Status - Elite 8: LINK (finalist), Mario, MEGAMAN, Snake, CLOUD (champion), Sephiroth, Sonic, SAMUS

After the first 2 Rounds, the Contest is going downhill. With the exception of Mario/Crono, the bracket is so predictible from there on out.
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Moltar Fact 8: Moltar likes to play GunBound in his spare time.

The four pack featuring Sora, HK-47, Ryu Hyabusa, and Jill Valentine? Kingdom Losers would be the first thing that jumps to mind.

And Slow, I have to disagree with you on this bracket not being good. It`s a much better alternative than what Jeff was going to do originally, and you know this. At least we`re actually getting tough matches here, whereas a company-based bracket would have multiple people get perfect brackets.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

Difficult future matches: Crono vs Mario, Sonic vs Samus, Cloud vs Sephiroth, Mega Man vs Snake, Link vs Cloud.

Please submit your guesses to hard 1st round matches. Than after that we can move on to 2nd round. I'm beginning to get worried about Shadow vs Titus. You see, for votes on this topic, Shadow didn't even make top 16, while Titus got 15th. Ness vs Jak is still at tie, and so is Sora vs HK-47.
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Yet in the proximity of blight, I seek the Love and the Light. <><
Word of the week= zephyr¤ a gentle breeze

Ulti - just because this bracket sucks less than what Cjay was planning on in the first place doesnt mean that it is good - it still is a fairly boring, uninteresting bracket. There are some weird snubs, insane seeding, very few worthwhile new characters have been included (Auron and Frog are a few good exceptions, however), and not many matches that are interesting.

This sucks.

The hardest match to call in Round 1 is without a doubt Tidus vs Shadow. Shadow finished 12th in the extrapolated rankings, Tidus finished 13th.

Which puts something interesting on the table. We agreed Knux vs Yuna was the hardest to call last year. That was FFX vs Sonic. This year, Tidus vs Shadow is the hard one, and it is also FFX vs Sonic! I think this has been set up on purpose...
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This is the alternate account of swirldude.
In Soviet Russia, the TOS violates you. ~JonPen1416

Please submit your guesses to hard 1st round matches. Than after that we can move on to 2nd round.

I`ll gladly pass. I`m not one for having everyone`s brackets look exactly the same. And anyone can see that you`re only trying to get the majority opinion to meet your own ends.

But if you want me to be nice, fine. I`m going with a Mario, Solid Snake, Sephiroth, Sonic Final Four. I`m taking more logical risks this year than I did last year.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

My first Character contest......I am excited. I still hold this bracket rocks! Now, here's a concensus for top 16, generated by this topic.

1. Cloud/Link
2. Link/Sephiroth
3. Sephiroth
4. Mega Man
5. Mario/Crono
6. Crono/Mario
7. Samus
8. Snake
9. Sonic/Magus
10. Magus/Ganondorf
11. Sonic/Ganondorf
12. Zero/Titus/Ganondorf
13. Zero
14. Squall/Frog/Shadow
15. Bowser/Titus
16. Bowser/Titus
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Yet in the proximity of blight, I seek the Love and the Light. <><
Word of the week= zephyr¤ a gentle breeze

Which puts something interesting on the table. We agreed Knux vs Yuna was the hardest to call last year. That was FFX vs Sonic. This year, Tidus vs Shadow is the hard one, and it is also FFX vs Sonic! I think this has been set up on purpose...

dun dun DUN!!

Tidus still wins.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

It`s spelled Tidus.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

I see your point, Ulti. But there's no real concern about people having similar brackets because #1, few people have frenquented this topic, and #2, many people still disagree about hard matches. I have two ties, and two close match-ups, and #3, people will have made their bracket long before this "pre"-voting finishes. Of course, if you find my pre-polling annoying, I can stop.
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Yet in the proximity of blight, I seek the Love and the Light. <><
Word of the week= zephyr¤ a gentle breeze

Then by all means, stop. It`s not necessarily annoying, just unbeneficial.

Whew, that`s one down. 491748 more to go.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

But if you want me to be nice, fine. I`m going with a Mario, Solid Snake, Sephiroth, Sonic Final Four. I`m taking more logical risks this year than I did last year.

How many people do you actually think will be fooled by that? :p
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My name is Reggie. I'm about kicking ass. I'm about taking names, and we're about making games.

I was lying about Mario (obviously), but I seriously do have the other three. The Twin Snakes, the new Sonic title, and the anti-repeat factor will kill the 1 seeds.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

I have a feeling that the earlier discussed "divisons by company" thing was probably the result of some off-chance remark for a new idea. So, I'm not really going to excuse that for this bracket. I need to look at it more, but no Aeris or Zelda is just not cool.
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Revenge is a dish best served cold.-Old Klingon Proverb
Congrats to UltimaterializerX, winner of the Guru Challenge.

Ok, my last 3 questions:
Luigi vs Yoshi, Tommy vs Zero, Kirby vs Squall.
These, in my opinion, are probably the harder matches of round 2. After round two, the major competition comes, making a distinction of 1st from 50th.
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Yet in the proximity of blight, I seek the Love and the Light. <><
Word of the week= zephyr¤ a gentle breeze

Sorry, not buying it. You claim that Sonic will beat Samus because of the new Sonic game, yet Shadow will still lose to Tidus? Ulti, you so crazy.
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My name is Reggie. I'm about kicking ass. I'm about taking names, and we're about making games.

"Luigi vs Yoshi, Tommy vs Zero, Kirby vs Squall"

I think Luigi, Zero, and Squall will emerge victorious.
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"psp has touch screem" - youngfossil

hmm my instinct tell me Squall has kirby without too much trouble.
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Revenge is a dish best served cold.-Old Klingon Proverb
Congrats to UltimaterializerX, winner of the Guru Challenge.

you're telling us you think sonic and snake will make the final four.

...and you call ziwei on trying to take advantage of people...
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signature (n.): a random bit of gibberish that no one ever reads.

...er. that was directed at ulti, not the seven people that suddenly posted after him.
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signature (n.): a random bit of gibberish that no one ever reads.

Zero and Squall should win those two matches with ease, but to be dead honest, I don`t know which way I`m going on Luigi vs Yoshi yet.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

Great job by CJayC here in not going with the company brackets. Give props to the man--he isn't stubborn, he can adapt. He's serving his consumers well, and thanks to him for that.

I am SOOOO happy that Frog made it--and with a 6 seed to boot!!!!! That's awesome. The board really came through for Frog :o)

Thank you everybody that nominated Frog!

But...he faces Liquid Snake? Wow, that's tough competition. Frog is certainly no lock to make it out of the 1st round. I do expect him to win, and he appears to be the clear favorite, but Liquid Snake is no joke. If Frog is overseeded due to board support and Liquid Snake gets a large part of Solid Snake's support, Frog is in trouble. I don't think Frog is overseeded, because Chrono Trigger is obviously very strong at this site. I do think he may have gotten a higher seed than he would normally due to board support, but I think that normally he (like Magus) would have been underseeded to begin with. That 6 seed looks just right.


My thoughts on the bracket:

*Auron with a 3 seed...WTF???

*I'm not happy about Sonic getting Sephiroth's 1 seed. The most exciting Final Four would be the one with all of the Big Three in it.

*How...how...HOW in the ****ing hell does Guybrush Threepwood (!!) make the contest while Aeris, Yuna, Ken, Ramza, and Zelda don't? Him making it ahead of guys like Mewtwo is also nonsensical.

*Even Felix deserves that spot more. I was very curious to see how he'd do against a non-Master Chief opponent.

*...speaking of nonsensical...Tanner? ...Tanner!? The hell?

*People are saying Ryu Hayabusa vs. Jill Valentine is questionable? I'm thinking that match won't even be close. Ryu Hayabusa has CROSS-OVER appeal. Lots of people have maintained for a while that he's overrated--but that 3 seed shows he has a huge support base. And no X-Box hate here people--he is an old-school NES favorite. I think he's actually being underrated because people aren't respecting him enough. He could very will win his division.

*I think Vivi is being screwed over big time. I think he's a Sweet Sixteen worthy character who'll do well in the extrapolated standings--he's got both the cute factor and the Black Mage factor working for him, not to mention the Square fanbase. Note that I don't expect him to suffer from SFF against Sephiroth.

*Magus is also getting screwed over. Not that I mind so much, him being Frog's arch-rival and all, but to be honest he deserves better. Though, Magus vs. Crono isn't a guarantee...maybe Crono is the one getting screwed over...? Crono certainly appears to have the toughest path out of anybody.

*The seeding in the Tidus vs. Shadow match is a joke. 8 vs. 9?

UltimaterializerX:
Anyone who doesn`t look at a picture of an amphibian knight in awe needs to rethink their purpose in this mortal coil.

^^^One of the best posts ever.
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Supporter of Frog in SC2K4
http://SC2K4.com/frog (click on the galleries)

Slowflake:
Cyko said Frog's lack of photogenic-ness would send him the way of Kefka.

Look at the pics of Frog on my site and tell me he's not photogenic. I could see him being hurt by the fact that he's a Frog, but come on--his appearance is off the hook. A Frog...in armor...with a sword...and a cape? Sheer coolness. There is no parallel to Kefka there. The only way I see him being hurt is if a face-only pic is used, which I don't think will happen.


I haven't touched my site in a while, I'll try to update it this weekend if I get the chance. But I'm going to my best friend's engagement party on Saturday (god, I'm so old) and might not have time yet.
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Supporter of Frog in SC2K4
http://SC2K4.com/frog (click on the galleries)

Anyone who doesn`t look at a picture of an amphibian knight in awe needs to rethink their purpose in this mortal coil.

^^^One of the best posts ever.

In fact, sigged. Ulti, I hope you don't mind me quoting you as Ulti instead of UltimaterializerX--I know that using a full name in a sig is traditional, but I can't fit my site address in otherwise. Sorry :(
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Anyone who doesn`t look at a picture of an amphibian knight in awe needs to rethink their purpose in this mortal coil. --Ulti
SC2K4.com/frog

Now see Ulti, you just said earlier Snake would get his ass kicked again. ;)
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner - Mega Man
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/Summer2004Winner.gif

...just...Now, is when the seeding sucks.
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Vote for Luca Blight in the SC2K4!

BTW, should we begin the Guru's contest's signs up?
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Vote for Luca Blight in the SC2K4!

I'm all for that, put me on the list without me saying "I'll signup". =P
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner - Mega Man
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/Summer2004Winner.gif

creative, you can sig me any time you damned well please <3

I forgot actually making that post. Was it in this topic?
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

Well if we`re doing it again, here we go:

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Heroic Mario
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Heroic Mario
3 - Sephirot1
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Vote for Luca Blight in the SC2K4!

creativename, is SC2k4 down for maintenance or something? It won`t open for me.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

Yeah, I can't get it to work either.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner - Mega Man
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/Summer2004Winner.gif

K. Gave some things extra thought overnight, and I came up with three small conclusions:

1. Sora isn't winning his 4-pack. Jill would roast him if he gets by HK-47, and if Hayabusa passes instead, it's just going to be worse. It's only going to get interesting if HK-47 beats Sora.

2. If Magus manages to leech off votes from Crono and win, Mario gets a free pass to the Elite 8.

3. Vivi's in for some serious trouble. The Tidus/Squall debate leads me to believe that their games are for more in it than we could be led to think, and FF9's not exactly big like 7, 8 and 10. Plus, fan-favorite syndrome, that crap Auron and Magus have. That carried them into a very high seed, since board members tend to support these characters mostly (that's why Auron got a 3 to Tidus' 8).

On another note, I think I'm going to have Tails win a match. I just don't think Joe's staying power is enough, especially after one game.
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SC2K4 Status - Elite 8: LINK (finalist), Mario, MEGAMAN, Snake, CLOUD (champion), Sephiroth, Sonic, SAMUS

So, who do you people think this year's Scorpion/Squall/StarCraft will be? Magus? HK-47? Frog? Liquid? Master Chief?

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-http://mooncalf.org

Chief has an even easier first round match than last year, if that's even humanly possible. MGS getting beat by MGS2 this spring puts a hurdle on Liquid's chance against Frog, who gets a chump of a second round opponent... Chief. Then an elimination against Snake. As I said, if Magus manages to beat Crono, he's going down to Mario...

...yeah, I think HK-47 and Hayabusa are the ones that can do damage.
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SC2K4 Status - Elite 8: LINK (finalist), Mario, MEGAMAN, Snake, CLOUD (champion), Sephiroth, Sonic, SAMUS

I just don't think Joe's staying power is enough, especially after one game.

And a soon to be sequel on the GCN and PS2. Right now, I'm putting Joe.

And where exactly do some of you have Hayabusa going? I have him out in the Sweet 16.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner - Mega Man
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/Summer2004Winner.gif

Frog will be this year's Scorpion, he has a free three round way.
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Vote for Luca Blight in the SC2K4!

taggity. Ulti is always good for these kinds of things. I'm proud of him.
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I think FFDragon just became my new Idol. Screw Clockspider. ~Crimson Sword

Now that I see it, the Chaos division is the most difficult one to predict.
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Vote for Luca Blight in the SC2K4!

Here's the catch though... VJ2's not out when the contest is over, let alone the Tails match. And I don't see "Cloud" or "Sephiroth" in Joe's name.

Hayabusa... oh man, I just don't know. Current plan is to have him barely beating Jill, then winning by a few thousands against the winner of the other match (I'm torn...)
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SC2K4 Status - Elite 8: LINK (finalist), Mario, MEGAMAN, Snake, CLOUD (champion), Sephiroth, Sonic, SAMUS

You don't need "Cloud" or "Sephiroth" in your name to beat someone like Tails. And lets not mention how nothing Sonic has done exceptionally well recently.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner - Mega Man
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/Summer2004Winner.gif

Yeah, Hayabusa is probably sweet sixteen material.
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Vote for Luca Blight in the SC2K4!

That's not the point... I meant, Cloud and Sephiroth were the ones to defy all logic last year, and it would defy logic for VJ2 to help Joe's chances.
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SC2K4 Status - Elite 8: LINK (finalist), Mario, MEGAMAN, Snake, CLOUD (champion), Sephiroth, Sonic, SAMUS

Oh, I see what your saying now. Nevermind then.

It's not like I'm relying on that in anyway or anything, because quite frankly it's Tails.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner - Mega Man
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/Summer2004Winner.gif

Tails came close to Alucard. I don't think Joe would be able to do that.
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SC2K4 Status - Elite 8: LINK (finalist), Mario, MEGAMAN, Snake, CLOUD (champion), Sephiroth, Sonic, SAMUS

I could see him getting close, much closer than Duke Nukem to say the least. I might switch it later, but right now I'll have Joe winning the match. Sonic characters have given me reason to doubt them.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner - Mega Man
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/Summer2004Winner.gif

Hi again!

Been really busy the last few months, should post here a bit more, but don't really have time. I'll give an analysis of my bracket after I actually get to enter it. I've decided I'm just entering it day 1 and forgetting about it this time - late changes never seem to help me.

As for the guru contest - I'm up to putting someone elses name in my sig for a while again, sure.

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Heroic Mario
3 - Sephirot1
4 - Ringworm

Good luck in this!
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Everyone that says ''There's no such thing as a stupid question'', has obviously never visited this board.

Man this bracket sucks...

Some of the goofs in here...unfreakinbelievable
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Noms: Frog, Vivi, Dr. Wily, Seifer, Chocobo, Sigma, Sweet Tooth, Maximo, Rayne (BloodRayne), and Kitana (MK)!

I guess I'm the only one in the discussion topic that likes the bracket?
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner - Mega Man
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/Summer2004Winner.gif

Count me in this time (shame I didn't find this topic for the last contest, a 2nd place finish to only the champ would have been cool):

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Heroic Mario
3 - Sephirot1
4 - Ringworm
5 - Tnote827
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7/9 Noms got into the contest... Semifinalists(at heart): Link, Luca Blight, Tommy Vercetti, Frog, Cloud, Sephiroth, Sonic, Gordon Freeman

I sooo agree with Steve. So much fodder, Tails, Vyse and NESS could win a match, and Gordon Freeman gets spared from a slaughter, AGAIN.
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SC2K4 Status - Elite 8: LINK (finalist), Mario, MEGAMAN, Snake, CLOUD (champion), Sephiroth, Sonic, SAMUS

Ness winning a match is bad, very bad. Thankfully, I think we'll be spared that terrible sight.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner - Mega Man
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/Summer2004Winner.gif

I finally took Ulti off of my sig so I'll sign up

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Heroic Mario
3 - Sephirot1
4 - Ringworm
5 - Tnote827
6 - charmander6000
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LUE is a cancer, and if it can't be destroyed, it must be contained. - CjayC

Hey, I like Earthbound just as much as you, but I think Ness is pretty cool, actually. And who the hell is Jak? I think if SSBM has a chance to do something, ANYTHING, it's now.

I just gotta wonder how Guybrush made it back. Only Serious Sam, Ms. Pac-Man, Mr. Driller and another one I forget (I'm thinking Gabe Logan) did worse in 2002. Oh well, at least it's an 80%+ blowout for Bowser.
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SC2K4 Status - Elite 8: LINK (finalist), Mario, MEGAMAN, Snake, CLOUD (champion), Sephiroth, Sonic, SAMUS

Jak? Jak is from the Jak and Daxter titles on the PS2, platforming games. Great little series right there, I don't own a PS2 but I do make sure I play those gems. Looking forward to Jak III. =)

http://www.uwasa.fi/~j81666/jak&daxter2.jpg
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner - Mega Man
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/Summer2004Winner.gif

I just cant see how Guybrush, Ryo, and freakin Duke Nukem are in this again. And Bomberman??? WTF???

Protoman over Wily??? Geesh...
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Noms: Frog, Vivi, Dr. Wily, Seifer, Chocobo, Sigma, Sweet Tooth, Maximo, Rayne (BloodRayne), and Kitana (MK)!

Protoman over Wily??? Geesh...

'tis sad I know. =( Not to bring down Proto Man though, he's cool and had he not had to face Zero in round 1 he could have made it at least to round 2.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner - Mega Man
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/Summer2004Winner.gif

At least Frog and Vivi are in...though I am annoyed Vivi has to face Sephy

Frog though..I smell upset on him...takin out the Snakester...you know them Crono fanboys...
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Elite 8: Link, Mario, MM, Frog, Cloud, Sephy, Sonic, Samus

Hey, that means another Megaman character. The more the better. That migth mean Wily next year.

Also, can I sign up for the guru thing? If yes...

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Heroic Mario
3 - Sephirot1
4 - Ringworm
5 - Tnote827
6 - charmander6000
7 - DaruniaTheKing

(If not, discard that)
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Because how could I not do this forbidden thing, when it feels so good!

That migth mean Wily next year.

I hope. ^_^
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner - Mega Man
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/Summer2004Winner.gif

Also, can I sign up for the guru thing? If yes...

Me too!

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Heroic Mario
3 - Sephirot1
4 - Ringworm
5 - Tnote827
6 - charmander6000
7 - DaruniaTheKing
8 - SteveIllumina
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Elite 8: Link, Mario, MM, Frog, Cloud, Sephy, Sonic, Samus

Why not?

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Heroic Mario
3 - Sephirot1
4 - Ringworm
5 - Tnote827
6 - charmander6000
7 - DaruniaTheKing
8 - SteveIllumina
9.- Nightmare 45
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Now a proud Rider of Lohan.

Tsk tsk tsk... Vivi may not get past DK in the first place. FF9 + fan-favorite syndrome = another heart-attack-giving match involving DK.
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SC2K4 Status - Elite 8: LINK (finalist), Mario, MEGAMAN, Snake, CLOUD (champion), Sephiroth, Sonic, SAMUS

How the hell manages DK to end on those all the time?
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Because how could I not do this forbidden thing, when it feels so good!

I'm in this time:

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Heroic Mario
3 - Sephirot1
4 - Ringworm
5 - Tnote827
6 - charmander6000
7 - DaruniaTheKing
8 - SteveIllumina
9 - Nightmare 45
10 - Krusty the Klown
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My dermatologist says its not good to have things crawling in your skin. -Notre Game

I'm more wondering what the hell is up with CJayC's infatuation for Freeman. It's like he WANTS him to win a match. Then again, he predicted Tina would beat him...
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SC2K4 Status - Elite 8: LINK (finalist), Mario, MEGAMAN, Snake, CLOUD (champion), Sephiroth, Sonic, SAMUS

I still think Jill has a chance against Ryu.
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Now a proud Rider of Lohan.

I'm all for Mr. Hayabusa in the Sweet 16.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner - Mega Man
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/Summer2004Winner.gif

I'm torn apart. I'd bring the SC2K3 extrapolated, but sc2k4.com doesn't work. And then there's HK-47... but as the dust falls I think the winner of this match will be the winner of Hayabusa/Jill. Can HK-47 even get there, though...?
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SC2K4 Status - Elite 8: LINK (finalist), Mario, MEGAMAN, Snake, CLOUD (champion), Sephiroth, Sonic, SAMUS

I'll join the Guru Contest again as well.

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Heroic Mario
3 - Sephirot1
4 - Ringworm
5 - Tnote827
6 - charmander6000
7 - DaruniaTheKing
8 - SteveIllumina
9 - Nightmare 45
10 - Krusty the Klown
11- Red Sox 777
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1903, 1912, 1915, 1916, 1918, 2004!
Remember the 3rd GameFAQs Poll of the Day.

The 2003 extrapolated standings, and sc2k4.com, work now.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner - Mega Man
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/Summer2004Winner.gif

I hope MMAC and the tragedy that's MMX7 will make Proto Man win...
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In Soviet Russia, shiny metal asses bite you!

MMX7 isn't going to down Zero and Proto Man shall not win.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/Summer2004Winner.gif

MMX7 was decent, I wouldn't call it a tragedy.
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Now a proud Rider of Lohan.

MMX7 sucked it up. <<
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/Summer2004Winner.gif

I have a HUGE complaint on the selections and seedings that I'm sure nearly everyone else has. I want others opinions on this!

I just read the "mini-faq" by CJayC and saw that Aeris didn't make the top 100. I'm completely shocked. I admit that i didn't vote for Aeris, but I was under the assumption that ALL the strong characters from the LAST contest would get in AUTOMATICALLY! I am totally against the nomination process. What point is it to have nominations if you have to use them on the no-brainers? Shouldn't you spend the nominations on the underdog characters that REALLY need support to get in? Myself? Here were some of my nominations:

Sub-Zero
Chun-Li
Aya Brea
Brave Fencer Musashi
Frog
Viewtiful Joe
Stretch (from NBA street)

All in all, characters who NEEDED support to get in the contest. I think it would be a waste of time to waste nominations on the Marios, Clouds, Bowsers, Aeris's, and other characters who are unquestionably popular. Think about the NCAA b-ball tournament selections. Most of the staple teams are pretty much GUARANTEED to be included. The REAL selection process involves all the "bubble" selections.

So shouldn't the top 16-24 performers from the last contest be automatically included so that we won't have to waste nominations on them? What does everybody else think?
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Proto Man is a dud...

MMX7 was ok, better than MM5 and MM6...those 2 sucked in the NES days and they still suck!
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Elite 8: Link, Mario, MM, Frog, Cloud, Sephy, Sonic, Samus

Well I am not gonna finish my top 10 list of who i nominated...rather I shall do...since this bracket annoys me...

Top 10 Nondeserving 2004 Entrants

Gotta get started :) Look for #10 later today.
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Elite 8: Link, Mario, MM, Frog, Cloud, Sephy, Sonic, Samus

He could very will win his division

Ryu beat Samus? I don't even how to think about that.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/Summer2004Winner.gif

One more complaint. Can someone answer this question please...

Why does CJayC always set intriguing characters up the bomb?

Doesn't anyone else like to see how powerful Vivi truly is? Instead of setting him up against another FF character (Sephiroth) who will almost undoubtedly take him out? The same can be said for Protoman and Knuckles. I also don't want to see who would win classic hero/villain fights. Bowser/Mario, Crono/Magus, Link/Ganon are good fights, but I'd much rather see these characters fight other people! The contest would be a lot more unpredictable and more fun that way.

Oh well.... With that off my chest, I will sit back and read other people's opinions like I always do! This is the BEST summer internship pastime available! Thanks guys! (I hope the MAN didn't just read that....)
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I agree, except for that first part. Vivi/DK will be great.
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SC2K4 Status - Elite 8: LINK (finalist), Mario, MEGAMAN, Snake, CLOUD (champion), Sephiroth, Sonic, SAMUS

Guru stuff? Sure why not

In other news...

Sonic shall taste the final four... I think.
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Shake... You're my Honeybunch, Sugarplum Pumpy-umpy umpkin, You're my Sweetie Pie You're my Cuppycake, Gumdrop Snoogums-Boogums, You're the Apple of my Eye

Sonic's not beating Samus.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/Summer2004Winner.gif

No, because sonic isn't a woman beater (I'm looking at you Link). He shall simply get past her.
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Shake... You're my Honeybunch, Sugarplum Pumpy-umpy umpkin, You're my Sweetie Pie You're my Cuppycake, Gumdrop Snoogums-Boogums, You're the Apple of my Eye

Now I can give my thoughts on some tough matches. Yes, the person who finished with a score of 94 last year wants to give analysis :)

Round 1:

-Ganondorf vs Alucard-
Ganondorf seems to be the favorite here, but can two sweet sixteen appearances by Alucard be ignored? I think so. Why? Because Alucard didn't really have much competition in his wins. Simple enough, eh?

-Tidus vs Shadow-
This is a killer. Based off last year's performance, Tidus would be the favorite, but by very little. In this actual match-up, I'd go with Shadow simply because it seems to make more sense that a hedgehog who finished with about 45% on Mario would beat a hated FF lead character who couldn't make it past Ganondorf.

-Kefka vs Knuckles-
This is probably considered tough, but lets take a look back. Knuckles wins with great and relative ease in both contests only to be smacked with Snake in round 2 where as Kefka struggles with Pac-Man. Now it seems to almost be a no-brainer.

-Vyse vs Laharl-
I know that Vyse couldn't do a damn thing against Donkey Kong and Laharl is in a game which has shown to be quite popular here on GameFAQs. Pirate vs Prince of the Netherworld. Tough. Arrgh! Vyse wins because pirates > princes. >_> What?

-Ness vs Jak-
Ness gets annihilated by Bowser and his seeding gets 100% better. O_o Jak is pretty unknown as far as popularity goes. If Ness wants to ever win, now is his chance and I think he'll capitalize on it.

-Vivi vs Donkey Kong-
It would probably be more sensible to pick the higher seeded RPG character in this match, but upsets from the classics can happen quite easily. *points to EB vs Doom in the spring contest* Add that in with the fact the DK is the greatest character ever and I'll take the Kong.

-Viewtiful Joe vs Tails-
Initially I wrote Tails off as another first round loser, but what really do we know about Joe? Another than the fact that he's Viewtiful, nothing. Tails has had his share of bad first round draws, but maybe he has finally caught a break. I'm still leaning towards Joe in this one, but I haven't counted Mr. Prower out yet.

-Sora vs HK-47-
Sora gets handily beaten by Aeris with this same seed last year and HK is a newcomer I know nothing about. And that's it for that match. I think I may resort to flipping a coin here.

-Sam vs Gordon-
Greatest match-up of the first round. Not just for the humor, but because it could make for a close match. I am taking Sam because GFNW

I'll do Round 2 later. If ever.

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My dermatologist says its not good to have things crawling in your skin. -Notre Game

I guess I'm the only one in the discussion topic that likes the bracket?

I think the bracket, is okay. It could have been far better. This bracket feels like he just slapped it together as quickly as he could after closing the nominations.

Yes we get some good/interesting 1st & 2nd rounders, but it's like he had a brain fart on a good number of these matchups. I mean, do we have to see Mario vs Crono again?...in the Sweet 16 no less. Do we need another potential Mega Man vs Snake Division Final? Do we need another potential Knuckles vs Snake...in the 2nd round...for the third year in a row? (I'm starting to think Ceej has a rematch fetish with Snake, hell if Aeris was around, I bet he'd have her face him in the Sweet 16).

A little too many same game/series matchups for my liking. I don't think it's terrible, but could have been fleshed out better.

btw, of the fourcontests this one has my favorite bracket.
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Shake... You're my Honeybunch, Sugarplum Pumpy-umpy umpkin, You're my Sweetie Pie You're my Cuppycake, Gumdrop Snoogums-Boogums, You're the Apple of my Eye

This bracket probably has some of the best first round matches, which is definitely a good thing, considering that the first round is half of the tournament. However, from the second round on, there are only about three or four difficult matches to predict. Most of the matches (especially those in Hyrule Division) cater to n00bs to the tournament who will be interested in fights like Ganon-Link, Crono-Magus, and Mario-Bowser. We all know how those will turn out, but just the names in the fight will help to increase voter turnout.
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Proud supporter of Kefka, Knuckles, Samus, Viewtiful Joe, and Zero for SC2k4!

Sign me up for the Guru thing as well, despite my horrible ability to make good predictions...
1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Heroic Mario
3 - Sephirot1
4 - Ringworm
5 - Tnote827
6 - charmander6000
7 - DaruniaTheKing
8 - SteveIllumina
9 - Nightmare 45
10 - Krusty the Klown
11 - Red Sox 777
12 - Naye745
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Proud supporter of Kefka, Knuckles, Samus, Viewtiful Joe, and Zero for SC2k4!

For fun, I'll compare what I got in my pseudo-bracket to the real thing.

IN BOTH (my seed > CJayC's seed)
Link: 1 > 1
CATS: 16 > 16
Ganondorf: 3 > 8
Alucard: 7 > 9
Yoshi: 6 > 5
Luigi: 7 > 4
Pac-Man: 12 > 13
Magus: 3 > 6
Crono: 2 > 3
Conker: 16 > 14
Bowser: 5 > 7
Mario: 1 > 2
Megaman: 2 > 1
Tidus: 4 > 8
Shadow: 4 > 9
Vercetti: 6 > 5
Zero: 3 > 4
Frog: 5 > 6
Master Chief: 8 > 3
Crash: 16 > 14
Kefka: 13 > 7
Knuckles: 6 > 10
Snake: 2 > 2
Cloud: 1 > 1
Duke: 15 > 16
Vyse: 15 > 8
Kirby: 8 > 5
Squall: 5 > 4
Bomberman: 14 > 13
Auron: 6 > 3
Scorpion: 8 > 14
DK: 7 > 10
Sephiroth: 1 > 2
Sonic: 3 > 1
KOS-MOS: 12 > 8
Ryu: 4 > 9
Joe: 14 > 5
Tails: 10 > 12
Dante: 7 > 4
Sora: 9 > 6
Hayabusa: 13 > 3
Jill: 9 > 14
Sam Fisher: 11 > 7
Gordon: 16 > 10
Samus: 2 > 2
Lara: 9 > 15

IN REAL, NOT IN PSEUDO
Ryo
Luca
Guybrush
JC Denton
Earthworm Jim
Max Payne
Protoman
Liquid
Tanner
Laharl
Kain
Ness
Jak
Vivi
Sly Cooper
Terry
Ratchet
HK-47

IN PSEUDO, NOT IN REAL (My seed)
Zelda (5)
Claire Redfield (11)
Nightmare (14)
Morrigan (10)
Kasumi (9)
Ken Masters (12)
Geno (13)
Strider (10)
Pikachu (15)
Yuna (8)
Ridley (11)
Aya (10)
Capt. Falcon (15)
Fox (12)
Aeris (4)
Mewtwo (13)
Ramza (11)
Kerrigan (14)
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SC2K4 Status - Elite 8: LINK (finalist), Mario, MEGAMAN, Snake, CLOUD (champion), Sephiroth, Sonic, SAMUS

Why not? We'll see how Ulti fares this time.

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Heroic Mario
3 - Sephirot1
4 - Ringworm
5 - Tnote827
6 - charmander6000
7 - DaruniaTheKing
8 - SteveIllumina
9 - Nightmare 45
10 - Krusty the Klown
11 - Red Sox 777
12 - Naye745
13- Starion
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Master Guru UltimaterializerX is my can of tuna!!
Nominate Death for the 2004 Character Contest

Add that in with the fact the DK is the greatest character ever and I'll take the Kong.

The hell you smokin???
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Elite 8: Link, Mario, MM, Frog, Cloud, Sephy, Sonic, Samus

Here is mine.

IN BOTH (my seed > CJayC's seed)
Link: 1 > 1
CATS: 16 > 16
Ganondorf: 3 > 8
Alucard: 4 > 9
Yoshi: 6 > 5
Luigi: 7 > 4
Pac-Man: 8 > 13
Magus: 3 > 6
Crono: 2 > 3
Bowser: 3 > 7
Mario: 1 > 2
Megaman: 2 > 1
Tidus: 5 > 8
Shadow: 6 > 9
Vercetti: 8 > 5
Zero: 4 > 4
Frog: 7 > 6
Master Chief: 8 > 3
Kefka: 10 > 7
Knuckles: 5 > 10
Snake: 2 > 2
Cloud: 1 > 1
Vyse: 13 > 8
Kirby: 6 > 5
Squall: 6 > 4
Bomberman: 12 > 13
Auron: 5 > 3
Scorpion: 10 > 14
DK: 9 > 10
Sephiroth: 1 > 2
Sonic: 3 > 1
KOS-MOS: 7 > 8
Ryu: 4 > 9
Joe: 14 > 5
Tails: 9 > 12
Dante: 10 > 4
Sora: 12 > 6
Hayabusa: 14 > 3
Sam Fisher: 11 > 7
Gordon: 16 > 10
Samus: 2 > 2
Luca Blight: 8 > 11
Laharl: 15 > 9
Jak: 15 > 11
Vivi: 15 > 7
HK-47: 16 > 11

IN REAL, NOT IN PSEUDO

Ryo
Guybrush
JC Denton
Earthworm Jim
Max Payne
Protoman
Liquid
Tanner
Kain
Ness
Sly Cooper
Terry
Ratchet
Conker
Crash
Duke
Jill
Lara

IN PSEUDO, NOT IN REAL (My seed)
Zelda (5)
Nightmare (13)
Akuma (15)
Yuna (7)
Ridley (15)
Fox (10)
Aeris (4)
Mewtwo (8)
Ramza (11)
Kerrigan (16)
Rikku (12)
Serge (11)
Falco (14)
Ghaleon (11)
Slayer (12)
Kain Highwind (13) probably CJayC's mistake
Sigma (14)
Wario (9)
Celes (13)

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Vote for Luca Blight in the SC2K4!

Sign me up

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Heroic Mario
3 - Sephirot1
4 - Ringworm
5 - Tnote827
6 - charmander6000
7 - DaruniaTheKing
8 - SteveIllumina
9 - Nightmare 45
10 - Krusty the Klown
11 - Red Sox 777
12 - Naye745
13- Starion
14 - Yesmar
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Get Aeris and Zelda in the Summer Contest: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=14874452

what is the signups for?
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Anyone but Cloud for Summer Contest 2004!
Chrono Cross points: 160

*enters guru contest
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This is the alternate account of swirldude.
In Soviet Russia, the TOS violates you. ~JonPen1416

this time again, count me in!

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Heroic Mario
3 - Sephirot1
4 - Ringworm
5 - Tnote827
6 - charmander6000
7 - DaruniaTheKing
8 - SteveIllumina
9 - Nightmare 45
10 - Krusty the Klown
11 - Red Sox 777
12 - Naye745
13- Starion
14 - Yesmar
15 - swirldude
16 - King Morgoth
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SpC2k4 - Triple Crown Winner! (Spread Betting, Betting, Oracle),
yet UltimaterializerX, King of the gurus, pwned me badly

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Heroic Mario
3 - Sephirot1
4 - Ringworm
5 - Tnote827
6 - charmander6000
7 - DaruniaTheKing
8 - SteveIllumina
9 - Nightmare 45
10 - Krusty the Klown
11 - Red Sox 777
12 - Naye745
13- Starion
14 - Yesmar
15 - swirldude
16 - King Morgoth
17 - jonthomson

I feel like getting pwned.
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Jon Thomson - final score : 138/192
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Heroic Mario
3 - Sephirot1
4 - Ringworm
5 - Tnote827
6 - charmander6000
7 - DaruniaTheKing
8 - SteveIllumina
9 - Nightmare 45
10 - Krusty the Klown
11 - Red Sox 777
12 - Naye745
13- Starion
14 - Yesmar
15 - swirldude
16 - King Morgoth
17 - jonthomson
18 - Z1mZum

I still haven't bothered to change my sig from the first time around. Oh well, it'll happen eventually.
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UltimaterializerX is my god.

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Heroic Mario
3 - Sephirot1
4 - Ringworm
5 - Tnote827
6 - charmander6000
7 - DaruniaTheKing
8 - SteveIllumina
9 - Nightmare 45
10 - Krusty the Klown
11 - Red Sox 777
12 - Naye745
13- Starion
14 - Yesmar
15 - swirldude
16 - King Morgoth
17 - jonthomson
18 - Z1mZum
19 - DomaDragoon
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Ulti pulled a Damage Split on my bracket. Go Guru Ulti!
Smart Ask! National Champion (2003) www.rpgdl.com

Uh, I'll sign up for that I guess... We just have to put in a bracket, right?
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Anyone but Cloud for Summer Contest 2004!
Chrono Cross points: 160

Well, I may have to opt out of the guru contest this time... Picking either Cloud or Link to win is pretty much hopeless, because that's what most everyone else will do. If I can't get in the top 50 it doesn't matter where I stand, so maybe some game theory is in order here...
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I stand second only to the one and only Lord of Gurus, UltimaterializerX who bested me by no less than 11 points!

Cloud and Link is going to be the choice of everyone and the best friends, friend. So I went with the next logical choice... and no not Sephiroth. <<
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/Summer2004Winner.gif

Meh, Ryu Hayabusa appearing in the NES Ninja Gaiden games means little. Go ask Little Mac. Even Simon Belmont would school the old Ryu H. Ryu is mainly relying on the X-Box game to pull him through. Why would he be more popular than Master Chief, anyway? Ninja factor? Pah, not like Strider's ninja factor. Besides, lots of people still don't even know who Ryu H. is, as far as I've seen. I bet even a lot of bracket makers will pick Jill because they've only heard of her.

Something interesting: Kirby went from a 14-seed to a 3-seed from 2002 to 2003. Jill went from a 3-seed to a 14-seed over a span of 2 years.

As for Vivi vs. DK, man, would I hate to see Vivi lose. It might be possible, though, as Yuna, being a non-hero(ine) in FFX ranked worse than DK. Vivi is also a non-hero, but in a lesser FF game. I'm still pulling for Vivi because he's so respected as a character, and, well, two words: black mage.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

*signs*

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Heroic Mario
3 - Sephirot1
4 - Ringworm
5 - Tnote827
6 - charmander6000
7 - DaruniaTheKing
8 - SteveIllumina
9 - Nightmare 45
10 - Krusty the Klown
11 - Red Sox 777
12 - Naye745
13- Starion
14 - Yesmar
15 - swirldude
16 - King Morgoth
17 - jonthomson
18 - Z1mZum
19 - DomaDragoon
20. Alanna82
21. FastFalcon05


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If you work hard you can achieve great things in life...........and then you die. - from dilbert

I bet even a lot of bracket makers will pick Jill because they've only heard of her.

Those same bracket makers will also pick Vercetti over Zero. But given Ninja Gaiden's popularity I would say a lot more people know of him now.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/Summer2004Winner.gif

For the third year in a row, Ceej spares Gordon from a total slaughter. Lucky him.

(6)Ness
(11)Jak

Jak and Daxter has sold horribly, and it sure doesn't garner the widespread respect that Doom does. Earthbound also sold pretty bad, but it actually has a following on GameFAQs.

Winner: Ness.

(8)Vyse
(9)Laharl

Sam vs. Gordon. Ness vs. Jak. Vyse vs. Laharl.

What do they all have in common? They're this year's "complete losers" matchups.

In the case of Vyse vs. Laharl, it's just a question of which character is less obscure. I highly doubt that Disgaea is anything more than a small-selling niche title. Skies of Arcadia, on the other hand, is also pretty niche...but it's on two systems as opposed to Disgaea's one.

Winner: Vyse.

(8)Tidus
(9)Shadow the Hedgehog

The strength of the Sonic franchise is only deteriorating while FFX has one of the largest fanbases on the site. Aside from that, Tidus is on par with Ganondorf and Magus, while Shadow was almost certainly inflated past regular strenth in his match against Mario.

Winner: Tidus.

(8)Ganondorf
(9)Alucard

Is this even really up for debate? Alucard has scored unimpressive victories against total marshmallows (quite literally, in Kirby's case), while Ganondorf is equal to Magus.

Winner: Ganondorf.

(6)Frog
(11)Liquid Snake

This one is tougher to analyze than one might think...

...IMO, this is in no way a lock for Frog. If Liquid is to Snake like Magus is to Crono, then Frog and his opponent should be dead even in this match, since the general consenus is that Frog will be slightly weaker than Magus.

Nonetheless, Liquid winning just doesn't sound right to me, so...

Winner: Frog.

(5)Viewtiful Joe
(12)Tails

Psssh. Unnecessary hype for this match. Joe has the looks and the 'tude, while Tails is just an incredibly lame character all around. Aside from that, ol' Miles has had totally pathetic performance in past contests.

Winner: Joe.

(6)Sora
(11)HK-47

Sora is a Square RPG character, and there was probably SFF in his sole match last year that made him a look a bit weaker than he'd be otherwise. It's not like anybody's heard of HK-47, either...and when you consider that KOTOR is primarily an Xbox game, things really don't look good for our bloodthirsty friend.

(3)Ryu Hayabusa
(14)Jill Valentine

Give. Me. A. Break.

Ryu=the usual Xbox hate isn't as strong as normal because of the NES Ninja Gaidens, AND he's a ninja.

Jill=central character from a series that's been drowned in a flurry of horrible sequels and spinoffs.

Winner: Ryu.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

NES Ninja Gaidens will mean nothing! He's riding on his Xbox game.
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This is the alternate account of swirldude.
In Soviet Russia, the TOS violates you. ~JonPen1416

Was the last topic archived somewhere? I can't find it.
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Ulti pulled a Damage Split on my bracket. Go Guru Ulti!
Smart Ask! National Champion (2003) www.rpgdl.com

The NES games will mean somehting for Ryu H, they mean people who hate the Xbox with a passion don't HAVE to anti-vote Ryu. He's also been in the Dead or Alive games, a lot of people liked DoA 2 on DC and PS2.
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I stand second only to the one and only Lord of Gurus, UltimaterializerX who bested me by no less than 11 points!

I'm still worried about Kefka vs. Knuckles and Sam vs. Gordy, but I'll leave those matchups for later.

Jill vs. Ryu... Hargh. There's a great amount of perverts on these boards.

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Haunter12O: Writer of CE Battle Royale
http://boards.tokyotosho.com <---CABLE boards, good stuff

How many people are gonna vote for Hayabusa because of DoA2 or the NES games? Few know of the NES games, and the DOA series is remembered for one thing and one thing only...

I'll let you fill in the blank.
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This is the alternate account of swirldude.
In Soviet Russia, the TOS violates you. ~JonPen1416

Oh, and poor Luca Blight. :(

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Haunter12O: Writer of CE Battle Royale
http://boards.tokyotosho.com <---CABLE boards, good stuff

How many people are gonna vote for Hayabusa because of DoA2 or the NES games?

Are you serious?
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Heroic Mario
3 - Sephirot1
4 - Ringworm
5 - Tnote827
6 - charmander6000
7 - DaruniaTheKing
8 - SteveIllumina
9 - Nightmare 45
10 - Krusty the Klown
11 - Red Sox 777
12 - Naye745
13- Starion
14 - Yesmar
15 - swirldude
16 - King Morgoth
17 - jonthomson
18 - Z1mZum
19 - DomaDragoon
20. Alanna82
21. FastFalcon05
22. andaca
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S2k4C Sucks.

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Heroic Mario
3 - Sephirot1
4 - Ringworm
5 - Tnote827
6 - charmander6000
7 - DaruniaTheKing
8 - SteveIllumina
9 - Nightmare 45
10 - Krusty the Klown
11 - Red Sox 777
12 - Naye745
13- Starion
14 - Yesmar
15 - swirldude
16 - King Morgoth
17 - jonthomson
18 - Z1mZum
19 - DomaDragoon
20. Alanna82
21. FastFalcon05
22. andaca
23.TyRaNuS
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Currently Playing: Skies of Arcadia Legends

People, those old Ninja Gaiden games were some of the best the NES had to offer. Surely you can't say Hayabusa isn't going to benefit from a highly received new game plus those old titles.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/Summer2004Winner.gif

There really isn't much for me to think about past the first round here, since I always pick Crono. I do think that the division finals will be closer than everyone here is expecting though. Snake should at least get a small boost from Twin Snakes. MGS didn't do too well, but I think that had a lot to do with the title change. Also, I think that Sephiroth actually has a chance against Cloud. If we assume that the Kingdom Hearts factor will have died down a bit by now (since for most people it wasn't that memorable of a game), it would take away more votes from Cloud than it would Sephy.

Factor in the new layout, the massive drop in "casual" votes, and these matches could potentially swing the other way. Generally, I would expect this to help the villain, so I would give Sephy another small boost. As for the MegaMan/Snake matchup, I don't really know which it would help, if at all.

Still, I'll probably end up going with the favorites, unless my bracket ends up looking too predictable.

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Heroic Mario
3 - Sephirot1
4 - Ringworm
5 - Tnote827
6 - charmander6000
7 - DaruniaTheKing
8 - SteveIllumina
9 - Nightmare 45
10 - Krusty the Klown
11 - Red Sox 777
12 - Naye745
13- Starion
14 - Yesmar
15 - swirldude
16 - King Morgoth
17 - jonthomson
18 - Z1mZum
19 - DomaDragoon
20. Alanna82
21. FastFalcon05
22. andaca
23.TyRaNuS
24. Lieutenant Kettch

I'd like to do this for the first time, if I can.

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Heroic Mario
3 - Sephirot1
4 - Ringworm
5 - Tnote827
6 - charmander6000
7 - DaruniaTheKing
8 - SteveIllumina
9 - Nightmare 45
10 - Krusty the Klown
11 - Red Sox 777
12 - Naye745
13- Starion
14 - Yesmar
15 - swirldude
16 - King Morgoth
17 - jonthomson
18 - Z1mZum
19 - DomaDragoon
20. Alanna82
21. FastFalcon05
22. andaca
23.TyRaNuS
24. Lieutenant Kettch
25. Scoop Li
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SC2K4 - 152/192 points - 02886/40940
Match Total - 55/63

I am dumbfounded at how badly people are underestimating Ryu Hayabusa in this topic.

Seems like he's gonna be SSBM all over again--the guy who got lots of supporters, but also lots of doubters who think he's overhyped. I was on the other side with SSBM--I was a doubter. But I think Ryu has a lot of upside.

swirldude:
How many people are gonna vote for Hayabusa because of DoA2 or the NES games? Few know of the NES games, and the DOA series is remembered for one thing and one thing only...

I have no idea if DoA will matter at all, but the NES games are a big factor. They were some of the most popular old school games around. They revolutionized cut scene graphics.

Trust me, Ryu ain't gonna suffer from too many XBox anti-votes. I would say that he is in fact the 3rd strongest character in his division, so that 3 seed is deserved in that sense (though it's a weak division). I think he's also more likely to win the division than he is to lose in the 1st round. I would be extremely hesitant to put him over Samus, but I'm thinking about it as a game theory gambit.

I really don't see how he's not the 5th strongest character in his division at worst. Maybe Dante could be stronger, but that just doesn't look right. The other Ryu is the only character (outside of Sonic and Samus) I think that might be ahead of him. Unless Viewtiful Joe surpasses expectations, Ryu Hayabusa is going to be one of the strongest characters in his division.

Speaking of the other Ryu, why aren't people talking about his match with KOS-MOS more? Street Fighter II popularity seems to be declining, while KOS-MOS should only be increasing. I don't think that match is easy to call.

Heroic Mario:
People, those old Ninja Gaiden games were some of the best the NES had to offer. Surely you can't say Hayabusa isn't going to benefit from a highly received new game plus those old titles.

Exactly.


I also think people are over-hyping the Vivi vs. Donkey Kong match.

Master Chief ~= Tommy Vercetti = Donkey Kong

Would Vivi beat Master Chief? I don't see how he wouldn't.

Remember, his support base is more than Final Fantasy IX's because as a Black Mage, he represents old school Final Fantasy. That's a big reason why he's popular in the first place.


BTW, sorry that my site wasn't available last night guys, the server must've crashed.

On a personal note I'm seeing Spider-Man 2 tonight...I am incredibly hyped for that movie. I desperately wanted to see a Tuesday midnight showing, but all my friends are yuppies who don't hang out that late on work nights. Seeing this movie, and having Frog make it into the tourney...good times :)
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Anyone who doesn`t look at a picture of an amphibian knight in awe needs to rethink their purpose in this mortal coil. --Ulti
SC2K4.com/frog

50% of voters won't take that into consideration. They'll just look at the pictures and either go "omg b00bs LOL" or "d00d tht ninja looks kewl".

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Haunter12O: Writer of CE Battle Royale
http://boards.tokyotosho.com <---CABLE boards, good stuff

Speaking of the other Ryu, why aren't people talking about his match with KOS-MOS more? Street Fighter II popularity seems to be declining, while KOS-MOS should only be increasing. I don't think that match is easy to call.

It would utterly shock me to see KOS-MOS give Ryu a close match. It's freakin' Ryu for crying out loud.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/Summer2004Winner.gif

Oh and hope you have fun seeing Spider-Man 2, I heard it's a great movie. (plan to see it this weekend)
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/Summer2004Winner.gif

50% of voters won't take that into consideration. They'll just look at the pictures and either go "omg b00bs LOL" or "d00d tht ninja looks kewl".

I would give them a ton more credit than that.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/Summer2004Winner.gif

Let me join.

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Heroic Mario
3 - Sephirot1
4 - Ringworm
5 - Tnote827
6 - charmander6000
7 - DaruniaTheKing
8 - SteveIllumina
9 - Nightmare 45
10 - Krusty the Klown
11 - Red Sox 777
12 - Naye745
13- Starion
14 - Yesmar
15 - swirldude
16 - King Morgoth
17 - jonthomson
18 - Z1mZum
19 - DomaDragoon
20. Alanna82
21. FastFalcon05
22. andaca
23.TyRaNuS
24. Lieutenant Kettch
25. Scoop Li
26. FrostHarpy
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Lonely Angel

OMG I'm so in!!!

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Heroic Mario
3 - Sephirot1
4 - Ringworm
5 - Tnote827
6 - charmander6000
7 - DaruniaTheKing
8 - SteveIllumina
9 - Nightmare 45
10 - Krusty the Klown
11 - Red Sox 777
12 - Naye745
13- Starion
14 - Yesmar
15 - swirldude
16 - King Morgoth
17 - jonthomson
18 - Z1mZum
19 - DomaDragoon
20. Alanna82
21. FastFalcon05
22. andaca
23.TyRaNuS
24. Lieutenant Kettch
25. Scoop Li
26. FrostHarpy
27. yoblazer33

Ummm.... what's this for again?
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My name is Reggie. I'm about kicking ass. I'm about taking names, and we're about making games.

It would utterly shock me to see KOS-MOS give Ryu a close match. It's freakin' Ryu for crying out loud.

Agreed, but there's been some big hype for Xenosaga Ep. 2. KOS has a new look, and some old fans as well. Plus, "RPGFAQs"... I fully expect Ryu to win, but only by a 53-47 margin.

50% of voters won't take that into consideration. They'll just look at the pictures and either go "omg b00bs LOL" or "d00d tht ninja looks kewl".

I would give them a ton more credit than that.

And that's why you won't win the contest. To paraphrase Tommy Lee Jones, "A person is smart. People are stupid, ignorant, catch-phrase using idiots, and you know it."
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Ulti pulled a Damage Split on my bracket. Go Guru Ulti!
Smart Ask! National Champion (2003) www.rpgdl.com

Count me in the guru contest.


1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Heroic Mario
3 - Sephirot1
4 - Ringworm
5 - Tnote827
6 - charmander6000
7 - DaruniaTheKing
8 - SteveIllumina
9 - Nightmare 45
10 - Krusty the Klown
11 - Red Sox 777
12 - Naye745
13- Starion
14 - Yesmar
15 - swirldude
16 - King Morgoth
17 - jonthomson
18 - Z1mZum
19 - DomaDragoon
20. Alanna82
21. FastFalcon05
22. andaca
23.TyRaNuS
24. Lieutenant Kettch
25. Scoop Li
26. FrostHarpy
27. yoblazer33
28. irriadin
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Proud Supporter of Link and Megaman

Agreed, but there's been some big hype for Xenosaga Ep. 2. KOS has a new look, and some old fans as well. Plus, "RPGFAQs"... I fully expect Ryu to win, but only by a 53-47 margin.

Then I must be the only one expecting him to get right around 45% against Sonic. This is the same guy that got 42% against Solid Snake last year afterall.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/Summer2004Winner.gif

Eh. I wanna do good in the contest.


1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Heroic Mario
3 - Sephirot1
4 - Ringworm
5 - Tnote827
6 - charmander6000
7 - DaruniaTheKing
8 - SteveIllumina
9 - Nightmare 45
10 - Krusty the Klown
11 - Red Sox 777
12 - Naye745
13- Starion
14 - Yesmar
15 - swirldude
16 - King Morgoth
17 - jonthomson
18 - Z1mZum
19 - DomaDragoon
20. Alanna82
21. FastFalcon05
22. andaca
23.TyRaNuS
24. Lieutenant Kettch
25. Scoop Li
26. FrostHarpy
27. yoblazer33
28. irriadin
29. Haunter12O
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Haunter12O: Writer of CE Battle Royale
http://boards.tokyotosho.com <---CABLE boards, good stuff

I'll join.

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Heroic Mario
3 - Sephirot1
4 - Ringworm
5 - Tnote827
6 - charmander6000
7 - DaruniaTheKing
8 - SteveIllumina
9 - Nightmare 45
10 - Krusty the Klown
11 - Red Sox 777
12 - Naye745
13 - Starion
14 - Yesmar
15 - swirldude
16 - King Morgoth
17 - jonthomson
18 - Z1mZum
19 - DomaDragoon
20 - Alanna82
21 - FastFalcon05
22 - andaca
23 - TyRaNuS
24 - Lieutenant Kettch
25 - Scoop Li
26 - FrostHarpy
27 - yoblazer33
28 - irriadin
29 - Haunter12O
30 - Garsha
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Hellfire Knight of the <<Official** Sephiroth Army>>
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1655 - Remember that day...

Full of rage, angry at the GameFAQ's world...I return with the pen of justice to reveal my furiously satirical commentary to the world...

Steve Illumina Speaks

Many love this bracket, and many hate it. I hate it. The bums in this group this year are just waiting to be beaten...and I shall list the cream of the crop...the 10 that so DONT belong here. They are fluff...creampuffs...stuff that should have been left on the cutting room floor...where worthy entrants like Aeris and Zelda and Dr. Wily were left behind in favor of goofs like these...

So without further Adieu...

Top Ten Undeserving Tourney Characters

10. JC Denton

Game Represented: Deus Ex

Systems Represented: PC, PS2, X-Box

Seeded Right: Yes...

Vote Totals Over 10% Probability: None

Comments: The list begins with a real doozy...a piece of fodder from a niche game so niche I never played it. Heck, its not even an RPG and yet it is represented by this guy who sounds like a reject from the Backstreet Boys Reunion Tour.

The only fun I will have with this goober is how funny a piece of writing I will compost when I will bash the match with him goin up against the King of Platformers.

I would write more, but I gotta save my anger for when Mario comes running along full of his own anger...too bad I got to wait 6 weeks...maybe I will be calm then.

And it was regrettably so...
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Elite 8: Link, Mario, Mega Man, Frog, Cloud, Sephy, Sonic, Samus

Frog in the Elite Eight? Um...no comment.
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This is the alternate account of swirldude.
In Soviet Russia, the TOS violates you. ~JonPen1416

Good afternoon once again!

Well, yesterday I lost sleep over Sonic vs Samus. Besides that, I agree with Heroic Mario. This bracket is great, and I can't wait until the contest.

About the Guru contest, do we just put the winner's name in our sig for a year? I......I'm too chicken to join. But good luck to those in the contest!
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Yet in the proximity of blight, I seek the Love and the Light. <><
Word of the week= zephyr¤ a gentle breeze

Full of rage, angry at the GameFAQ's world...I return with the pen of justice to reveal my furiously satirical commentary to the world...

Steve Illumina Speaks

Many love this bracket, and many hate it. I hate it. The bums in this group this year are just waiting to be beaten...and I shall list the cream of the crop...the 10 that so DONT belong here. They are fluff...creampuffs...stuff that should have been left on the cutting room floor...where worthy entrants like Aeris and Zelda and Dr. Wily were left behind in favor of goofs like these...

So without further Adieu...

Top Ten Undeserving Tourney Characters

10. JC Denton
9. Lahari

Game Represented: Disgaea

Systems Represented: PS2

Seeded Right: Hell no

Vote Totals Over 10% Probability: Yes, but consider the opposition people...

Comments: The list continues with a match that will be so boring...it will cause the website to shut down due to lack of hits. It will be a serious contender for the lowest vote total of all time...a match between 4th rate characters from obscure to the masses RPG's. Neither really belong, but the #9 seeded Lahari really really really does not belong...and at a #9 seed no less????

Ceej must have stuffed the ballot box himself, or Atlas sent funds to buy a spot for the beloved character I am willing to bet has the least amount of name recognition on this bracket. A #9 Seed???? Nearly every 10-16 seed would hand Lahari his Lahiney!

And it was regrettably so...
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Elite 8: Link, Mario, Mega Man, Frog, Cloud, Sephy, Sonic, Samus

Frog in the Elite Eight? Um...no comment.

If Frog is equal to Crono, he can make the Elite eight. It's not likely, but it's not impossible.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

Full of rage, angry at the GameFAQ's world...I return with the pen of justice to reveal my furiously satirical commentary to the world...

Steve Illumina Speaks

Many love this bracket, and many hate it. I hate it. The bums in this group this year are just waiting to be beaten...and I shall list the cream of the crop...the 10 that so DONT belong here. They are fluff...creampuffs...stuff that should have been left on the cutting room floor...where worthy entrants like Aeris and Zelda and Dr. Wily were left behind in favor of goofs like these...

So without further Adieu...

Top Ten Undeserving Tourney Characters

10. JC Denton
9. Lahari
8. Tanner

Game Represented: Driver 1, 2, 3

Systems Represented: PS1 and PS2

Seeded Right: I suppose so

Vote Totals Over 10% Probability: Yes...he drew the Noble Nine weakling Snakey in Round 1...

Comments: The list continues with a 'well its a newly released game sequel so it belongs cause it sold a couple million preorders', but then using that logic, the last Atari released game to do that type of sales PWNage was the critical flop Matrix game...and I dont see any Neo in the bracket...

Tanner...one who tans leather in cultures of old medieval times...also a driver of a car in a town that gets to run around and wish he had the name rep that old Tommy Boy gots right now. Another wasted flop spot...
And it was regrettably so...
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Elite 8: Link, Mario, Mega Man, Frog, Cloud, Sephy, Sonic, Samus

Ulti, in the Tidus v Shadow topic, you declared Shadow a 6000 vote winner, easy. Here, you give it to Tidus.

Trying to make people stop trying to copy you? ^_^
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The list begins with a real doozy...a piece of fodder from a niche game so niche I never played it. Heck, its not even an RPG and yet it is represented by this guy who sounds like a reject from the Backstreet Boys Reunion Tour.

Deus Ex is considered an RPG (even if I disagree with that). And niche? You don't deserve to call yourself a gamer. Deus Ex won essentially every Game of the Year Award it could (PC Gamer and BAFTA, among others).

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Ulti pulled a Damage Split on my bracket. Go Guru Ulti!
Smart Ask! National Champion (2003) www.rpgdl.com

Full of rage, angry at the GameFAQ's world...I return with the pen of justice to reveal my furiously satirical commentary to the world...

Steve Illumina Speaks

Many love this bracket, and many hate it. I hate it. The bums in this group this year are just waiting to be beaten...and I shall list the cream of the crop...the 10 that so DONT belong here. They are fluff...creampuffs...stuff that should have been left on the cutting room floor...where worthy entrants like Aeris and Zelda and Dr. Wily were left behind in favor of goofs like these...

So without further Adieu...

Top Ten Undeserving Tourney Characters

10. JC Denton
9. Lahari
8. Tanner
7. Guybrush Threepwood

Game Represented: Monkey Island Series

Systems Represented: PC Mostly...

Seeded Right: This is a failure in seeding of the utmost.

Vote Totals Over 10% Probability: Not lookin too promising...

Comments: The list continues with a joke entrant from 2002 making a joke comeback. But let me ask u this, Mr. Threepwood...

What have u done for me lately?

Nothing. You dont belong in the bracket even as a joke...cause u aint funny anymore. Even Leisure Suit Larry would have been a trickle funnier than this. Mr. Wood, as a #10 seed, will be crushed so handily he will be mere splinters when Bowser is done with him. He disgraces fellow joke seed Mr. Freeman, who is also a #10. Think of a Freeman Threepwood match peeps....and u will realize how wrong this seeding really is...

And it was regrettably so...
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Elite 8: Link, Mario, Mega Man, Frog, Cloud, Sephy, Sonic, Samus

Full of rage, angry at the GameFAQ's world...I return with the pen of justice to reveal my furiously satirical commentary to the world...

Steve Illumina Speaks

Many love this bracket, and many hate it. I hate it. The bums in this group this year are just waiting to be beaten...and I shall list the cream of the crop...the 10 that so DONT belong here. They are fluff...creampuffs...stuff that should have been left on the cutting room floor...where worthy entrants like Aeris and Zelda and Dr. Wily were left behind in favor of goofs like these...

So without further Adieu...

Top Ten Undeserving Tourney Characters

10. JC Denton
9. Lahari
8. Tanner
7. Guybrush Threepwood
6. Crash Bandicoot

Game Represented: Crash 1, 2, 3, Neo Cortex, Racing, Blah Blah Blah

Systems Represented: PS1, PS2, GBA

Seeded Right: You could say so...but he is stale as last week's Fritos. See below.

Vote Totals Over 10% Probability: Hate voting yes...true voting no.

Comments: The list continues with a has been faded PS1 wannabe icon who never was an icon who was barely a wannabe icon coming back for a 3rd year of losing...

Last year dummy me picked this idiot rodent to win a match against someone...I forget now i am so annoyed this bum is back again, just to job to the pride of the Xbox. Even Billy Gates is laughing right now at how easy his boy Chief has it this year in Round 1.

Believe me, Felix will be proud...cause his last year's vote total against the pride of Bungee will double Crash's vote total this year.

And it was regrettably so...
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Elite 8: Link, Mario, Mega Man, Frog, Cloud, Sephy, Sonic, Samus

Full of rage, angry at the GameFAQ's world...I return with the pen of justice to reveal my furiously satirical commentary to the world...

Steve Illumina Speaks

Many love this bracket, and many hate it. I hate it. The bums in this group this year are just waiting to be beaten...and I shall list the cream of the crop...the 10 that so DONT belong here. They are fluff...creampuffs...stuff that should have been left on the cutting room floor...where worthy entrants like Aeris and Zelda and Dr. Wily were left behind in favor of goofs like these...

So without further Adieu...

Top Ten Undeserving Tourney Characters

10. JC Denton
9. Lahari
8. Tanner
7. Guybrush Threepwood
6. Crash Bandicoot
5. Bomberman

Game Represented: Bout 30 versions of Bomberman fron NES to Cube and back

Systems Represented: See Above

Seeded Right: Too high.

Vote Totals Over 10% Probability: If he gets 13% it is a miracle.

Comments: The list continues with a piece of filler from 02...and 03...and now 04. Why Ceej Why???

Why torture us gamers with this miserable pathetic bomb layer who aint worthy enough to be on my Stratego board? I mean, really. Bomberman is another stale tired entrant...and I have no clue as to why someone would nominate him. Really. I dont. I am trying to come up with a valid rationale for it. I cant. i am sorry. Call me a failure if u want...but Bomberman is even more of one with how he performs around here. Last year he jobbed to a jobber, if I recall. Could not have been any better in 2002...

Thankfully Squall the Misunderstood will vanquish this waste of a character entrant...

And it was regrettably so...

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Elite 8: Link, Mario, Mega Man, Frog, Cloud, Sephy, Sonic, Samus

Full of rage, angry at the GameFAQ's world...I return with the pen of justice to reveal my furiously satirical commentary to the world...

Steve Illumina Speaks

Many love this bracket, and many hate it. I hate it. The bums in this group this year are just waiting to be beaten...and I shall list the cream of the crop...the 10 that so DONT belong here. They are fluff...creampuffs...stuff that should have been left on the cutting room floor...where worthy entrants like Aeris and Zelda and Dr. Wily were left behind in favor of goofs like these...

So without further Adieu...

Top Ten Undeserving Tourney Characters

10. JC Denton
9. Lahari
8. Tanner
7. Guybrush Threepwood
6. Crash Bandicoot
5. Bomberman
4. Jill Valentine

Game Represented: Resident Evil

Systems Represented: PS1 & Cube

Seeded Right: Yes...in 2002

Vote Totals Over 10% Probability: Yah she will, but some peeps think she will win too!

Comments: The list continues with a one game star...or is it two? Or was it a movie that did so-so and has a sequel coming? I dont really care to know...cause she is mere fodder for the blade of Ryu H.

She is part of the fairly interesting 4 pack with Kingdom Flop Sora and HK-47, a cult favorite of recent weeks. So that is the only thing that saves her from total obscurity and gets her a higher spot on my list. But still...its Resident Evil...out long enough now we can safely call it 'old'

Another easy point for my bracket...I oughta pencil in a "W" right now...

And it was regrettably so...
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Elite 8: Link, Mario, Mega Man, Frog, Cloud, Sephy, Sonic, Samus

Full of rage, angry at the GameFAQ's world...I return with the pen of justice to reveal my furiously satirical commentary to the world...

Steve Illumina Speaks

Many love this bracket, and many hate it. I hate it. The bums in this group this year are just waiting to be beaten...and I shall list the cream of the crop...the 10 that so DONT belong here. They are fluff...creampuffs...stuff that should have been left on the cutting room floor...where worthy entrants like Aeris and Zelda and Dr. Wily were left behind in favor of goofs like these...

So without further ado...

Top Ten Undeserving Tourney Characters

10. JC Denton
9. Lahari
8. Tanner
7. Guybrush Threepwood
6. Crash Bandicoot
5. Bomberman
4. Jill Valentine
3. Liquid Snake

Game Represented: Metal Gear Solid

Systems Represented: PS1 & Cube

Seeded Right: Fraid not.

Vote Totals Over 10% Probability: Yah he will, cause peeps who are allergic to Frogs will get his vote.

Comments: The list continues with a one game supporting character. Seems more than a few fanbabies thought it would be cute to have a "Solid Snake" and a "Liquid Snake" And it is so convenient they are near eachother in the bracket. Awww...makes me wanna hug a teddy bear too.

Now where is my "Gas Snake" or "Plasma Snake" or even "Dark Matter Snake" ??? Oops...they are coming in the Metal Gear sequels....maybe.

And it was regrettably so...
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Elite 8: Link, Mario, Mega Man, Frog, Cloud, Sephy, Sonic, Samus

Full of rage, angry at the GameFAQ's world...I return with the pen of justice to reveal my furiously satirical commentary to the world...

Steve Illumina Speaks

Many love this bracket, and many hate it. I hate it. The bums in this group this year are just waiting to be beaten...and I shall list the cream of the crop...the 10 that so DONT belong here. They are fluff...creampuffs...stuff that should have been left on the cutting room floor...where worthy entrants like Aeris and Zelda and Dr. Wily were left behind in favor of goofs like these...

So without further ado...

Top Ten Undeserving Tourney Characters

10. JC Denton
9. Lahari
8. Tanner
7. Guybrush Threepwood
6. Crash Bandicoot
5. Bomberman
4. Jill Valentine
3. Liquid Snake
2. Duke Nukem

Game Represented: Duke Nukem 1 (crap) Duke Nukem 2 (Crap) Duke Nukem 3D (decent) Ports to N64, etc (crap) Duke Nukem Forever (Mythical)

Systems Represented: PC mainly, some ports too to PS1 and N64

Seeded Right: Yes...he is now a true joke.

Vote Totals Over 10% Probability: It dont look good for "the King, baby!"

Comments: The list continues with Duke Nukem...

What more needs to be said? This bum aint had a game in YEARS. And yet here he is...again...he has officially become a parody of himself...with so many "Forever" jokes out there to use when I write up his match with Cloudy in late August...

Only cause his name rhymes...and his game sequel is taking forever and a day...and his cheesy one liners... Back for another beating...we love you Duke Pukem.

And it was regrettably so...
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Elite 8: Link, Mario, Mega Man, Frog, Cloud, Sephy, Sonic, Samus

Full of rage, angry at the GameFAQ's world...I return with the pen of justice to reveal my furiously satirical commentary to the world...

Steve Illumina Speaks

Many love this bracket, and many hate it. I hate it. The bums in this group this year are just waiting to be beaten...and I shall list the cream of the crop...the 10 that so DONT belong here. They are fluff...creampuffs...stuff that should have been left on the cutting room floor...where worthy entrants like Aeris and Zelda and Dr. Wily were left behind in favor of goofs like these...

So without further ado...

Top Ten Undeserving Tourney Characters

10. JC Denton
9. Lahari
8. Tanner
7. Guybrush Threepwood
6. Crash Bandicoot
5. Bomberman
4. Jill Valentine
3. Liquid Snake
2. Duke Nukem
1. RYO HAZUKI!

Game Represented: Shenmue I, II

Systems Represented: Dreamcast and X-Box

Seeded Right: No no no no no no no!

Vote Totals Over 10% Probability: Again, no no no no no no no!

Comments: The list concludes with the pride of Shenmue and its 9 fanboys, Ryo.

Of all the peeps on the list...Ryo so does not belong in the tourney. Somehow this bum and his games make it in all these contests here. Once is bad enough...but now this is the 4th time! What must I do or say to stop this flop from being here??? And a #12 seed at that???? Ceej I am sorry, but u have really bent to the Sega fanboys a little too much now. This plus making Sonic a #1 seed? Its wrong...and every true Elite Expert Analyst on this site will agree with me, even if they wont say it publicly.

I look forward to Yoshi, a dino I dont even like, affixing his tongue onto Ryo's hairy behind and yanking him up by the seat of his pants into his big fat mouth and spitting him right back out onto the floor!

And it was regrettably so...
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Elite 8: Link, Mario, Mega Man, Frog, Cloud, Sephy, Sonic, Samus

There I am done now... :)

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Elite 8: Link, Mario, Mega Man, Frog, Cloud, Sephy, Sonic, Samus

That's enough about saying why Ryu Hayabusa could lose...I'll just wait until the end of next month to see him struggling. Hey, even if Ryu H wins with 55% in Round 1 he could still be the 4th strongest character in the division...:P

I still can't be so sure on Vivi vs. Donkey Kong. Sure, it's hard seeing MC (= DK) beating Vivi, but other guys like Kirby, Vercetti, or Luigi are on the same level as MC...it's hard to see those guys losing to Master Chief, as well.

And what's this about Jak & Daxter selling horribly, Phediuk? Are you certain about this?

Ooh, and I just realized that Shadow is BARELY above Tidus in the extrapolated rankings...for some reason I thought Shadow was quite a bit higher. I think that pretty much seals the victory for Tidus. I don't think Wario would get 35% on Ganondorf or Magus, especially after Luigi could only get 40% on Squall.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Pretty good for the most part, but where's Conker, Max Payne, Ratchet, or Lara Croft??? They're nothing but fodder (unlike Laharl or Jill) and are even less popular than half the names you mentioned.
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Proud supporter of Kefka, Knuckles, Samus, Viewtiful Joe, and Zero for SC2k4!

Sign me up -

- UltimaterializerX
2 - Heroic Mario
3 - Sephirot1
4 - Ringworm
5 - Tnote827
6 - charmander6000
7 - DaruniaTheKing
8 - SteveIllumina
9 - Nightmare 45
10 - Krusty the Klown
11 - Red Sox 777
12 - Naye745
13 - Starion
14 - Yesmar
15 - swirldude
16 - King Morgoth
17 - jonthomson
18 - Z1mZum
19 - DomaDragoon
20 - Alanna82
21 - FastFalcon05
22 - andaca
23 - TyRaNuS
24 - Lieutenant Kettch
25 - Scoop Li
26 - FrostHarpy
27 - yoblazer33
28 - irriadin
29 - Haunter12O
30 - Garsha
31 - Aprosenf

I love reading these topics, you guys do such a great job and I hope I'll contribute a good amount.

Oh yeah, and where's the "mini-faq" by CJay mentioned on page 26?

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=14873439
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Proud supporter of Kefka, Knuckles, Samus, Viewtiful Joe, and Zero for SC2k4!

steve illumina, you`re getting your ass whipped for this...

9. Lahari

Game Represented: Disgaea

Systems Represented: PS2

Seeded Right: Hell no

Vote Totals Over 10% Probability: Yes, but consider the opposition people...

Comments: The list continues with a match that will be so boring...it will cause the website to shut down due to lack of hits. It will be a serious contender for the lowest vote total of all time...a match between 4th rate characters from obscure to the masses RPG's. Neither really belong, but the #9 seeded Lahari really really really does not belong...and at a #9 seed no less????

Ceej must have stuffed the ballot box himself, or Atlas sent funds to buy a spot for the beloved character I am willing to bet has the least amount of name recognition on this bracket. A #9 Seed???? Nearly every 10-16 seed would hand Lahari his Lahiney!

And it was regrettably so...

It`s LAHARL with a damned L, punk. At least spell his name right if you`re going to bash him. And if he can take down 6 million EDF Battlecruisers in one fell swoop, I think he would be able to whip aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllll your kandy asses!1!11

Okay, I`m done. Disgaea is the greatest game ever, and you have obviously never played it. And on a more serious note, I`d love to know how Laharl is on a list of people that don`t belong here without having also included Earthworm Jim, Sly Cooper, Tidus, and Sephiroth. For shame.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

Sweet zombie mother of Jesus, that list got big fast.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

Actually, take me out.

Sign me up -

- UltimaterializerX
2 - Heroic Mario
3 - Sephirot1
4 - Ringworm
5 - Tnote827
6 - charmander6000
7 - DaruniaTheKing
8 - SteveIllumina
9 - Nightmare 45
10 - Krusty the Klown
11 - Red Sox 777
12 - Naye745
13 - Starion
14 - Yesmar
15 - swirldude
16 - King Morgoth
17 - jonthomson
18 - Z1mZum
19 - DomaDragoon
20 - Alanna82
21 - FastFalcon05
22 - andaca
23 - TyRaNuS
24 - Lieutenant Kettch
25 - Scoop Li
26 - FrostHarpy
27 - yoblazer33
28 - irriadin
29 - Haunter12O
30 - Aprosenf

Sorry guys, but I've got many important things to do. Oh well.
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Hellfire Knight of the <<Official** Sephiroth Army>>
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1655 - Remember that day...

I'll try my hand at it...

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Heroic Mario
3 - Sephirot1
4 - Ringworm
5 - Tnote827
6 - charmander6000
7 - DaruniaTheKing
8 - SteveIllumina
9 - Nightmare 45
10 - Krusty the Klown
11 - Red Sox 777
12 - Naye745
13 - Starion
14 - Yesmar
15 - swirldude
16 - King Morgoth
17 - jonthomson
18 - Z1mZum
19 - DomaDragoon
20 - Alanna82
21 - FastFalcon05
22 - andaca
23 - TyRaNuS
24 - Lieutenant Kettch
25 - Scoop Li
26 - FrostHarpy
27 - yoblazer33
28 - irriadin
29 - Haunter12O
30 - Aprosenf
31 - BeTheMan
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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO CATS

Is it possible I can enter the Guru thing minus the stipulation? I have been here a good 5 years, never had a sig, and don't want to have to have one if I (inevitabally) lose, though I wouldn't want others to have me in their sig either.

I did pretty well last contest, so I'll throw my hat into the ring too.

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Heroic Mario
3 - Sephirot1
4 - Ringworm
5 - Tnote827
6 - charmander6000
7 - DaruniaTheKing
8 - SteveIllumina
9 - Nightmare 45
10 - Krusty the Klown
11 - Red Sox 777
12 - Naye745
13 - Starion
14 - Yesmar
15 - swirldude
16 - King Morgoth
17 - jonthomson
18 - Z1mZum
19 - DomaDragoon
20 - Alanna82
21 - FastFalcon05
22 - andaca
23 - TyRaNuS
24 - Lieutenant Kettch
25 - Scoop Li
26 - FrostHarpy
27 - yoblazer33
28 - irriadin
29 - Haunter12O
30 - Aprosenf
31 - BeTheMan
32-RamzaB
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Theifenburg Uncertainty Principle - Without any witnesses, who's to say what happened?
Proud warrior of THE LUCA BLIGHT ARMY

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Heroic Mario
3 - Sephirot1
4 - Ringworm
5 - Tnote827
6 - charmander6000
7 - DaruniaTheKing
8 - SteveIllumina
9 - Nightmare 45
10 - Krusty the Klown
11 - Red Sox 777
12 - Naye745
13 - Starion
14 - Yesmar
15 - swirldude
16 - King Morgoth
17 - jonthomson
18 - Z1mZum
19 - DomaDragoon
20 - Alanna82
21 - FastFalcon05
22 - andaca
23 - TyRaNuS
24 - Lieutenant Kettch
25 - Scoop Li
26 - FrostHarpy
27 - yoblazer33
28 - irriadin
29 - Haunter12O
30 - Aprosenf
31 - BeTheMan
32 - RamzaB
33 - Mac Arrowny

I don't get how Jill and Liquid are jokes, I expect that they'll do quite well. After all, Jill was the second strongest in her division in 2k2, over the likes of Kirby. How is Jill more of a joke than Kirby is?

Ulti, in the Tidus v Shadow topic, you declared Shadow a 6000 vote winner, easy. Here, you give it to Tidus.

Trying to make people stop trying to copy you? ^_^

if i recall correctly...ulti said he was going to spread some "misinformation" around this time, to protect his own bracket.
which makes it difficult to tell which of his comments are worth listening to, if any.

personally, i'll just be ignoring him until the contest starts.
...and possibly afterwards as well.
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After all, Jill was the second strongest in her division in 2k2,

That's not saying to much.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
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steve, I dunno what to say to you. Bomberman and Jill are not jobbers. Jill is stronger than Sora, who's in her 4 pack, and yet Jill should be taking the boot? And Ryu Hayabusa is an untested character who gets much of his popularity from his Xbox game, how does this not give Jill a good chance at beating him?
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In Soviet Russia, the TOS violates you. ~JonPen1416

Talk of Jill winning against Hayabusa remind me of how people though she would beat Squall.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/Summer2004Winner.gif

Good point. 'Cept we expected Squall to come at the same strength as he did in 2002, in which case it would have been a nailbiter. Now Jill has an opponent that's painfully hard to gauge.
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I just find it incredibly hard to believe he'd rank around Donkey Kong and Luigi.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
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JILL FOR PREZ OF THE 4 PACK OF HELL!

Or the USA. She could do that too.
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In Soviet Russia, the TOS violates you. ~JonPen1416

time to run down steve's top 10 list.

10. JC Denton

true.

9. Lahari

false on gamefaqs. disgaea seems pretty big here.

8. Tanner

true.

7. Guybrush Threepwood

very true.
in fact...the fact that he's not only back, but at a #10 seed makes me question cjayc's honesty.

6. Crash Bandicoot

false. crash has fallen hard, but a former sony mascot deserves at least a footnote in a greatest character contest.

5. Bomberman

false. he's not as important as crash...but he's probably stronger anyway.

4. Jill Valentine

false. she did as well as luigi against squall last year, and even better in sc2k2.

3. Liquid Snake

false. mgs deserves another representative.
it's either this or raiden...

2. Duke Nukem

...true.

1. RYO HAZUKI!

probably true.
it's been too long since shenmue was relevant, and ryo's a jobber.
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I just find it incredibly hard to believe he'd rank around Donkey Kong and Luigi.

This site is full of Xbox haters and newschoolers, and their first game was FF7 (or other games at that time, but FF7 mostly). It's possible for Ryu H to be defeated by Jill.
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In Soviet Russia, the TOS violates you. ~JonPen1416

Jill vs. Ryu will be a great match.
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This site is full of Xbox haters and newschoolers, and their first game was FF7 (or other games at that time, but FF7 mostly). It's possible for Ryu H to be defeated by Jill.

Seriously, what in the world does it take for you to believe that Ninja Gaiden games on the NES are going to help him? That new Xbox game just sends it right over the top if you ask me. And I don't care if you hate the Xbox or love it, Ninja Gaiden is just a game you like regardless of the system. It's that good, this isn't Master Chief we're talking about.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
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redline, you`re one of those people that just can`t take a joke. For all you know, my outrageous claim that I would spread lies could have been a mere lie in and of itself.

Though do yourself a favor. Go search 'Crono will beat Mario' and note the topic by Heroic Common Sense (aka me). Despite anything I said, the true nature of the beast eventually shows up. It`s impossible for me to keep everything a secret with all of the discussion going on.
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Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

for anyone that cares about a tally, that's 5 trues and 5 falses.
i don't know what that means...but i do know i have a "top 10 least deserving characters" list of my own:

10. max payne
9. duke nukem
8. protoman
7. terry bogard
6. ness
5. ryo hazuki
4. sly cooper
3. jc denton
2. tanner
1. guybrush threepwood
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And Xbox hate surely didn't stop Master Chief from ranking above Jill I might add.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
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Wait, if Ryu H's NES games were great, how come he was never in it before the new game?
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Now a proud Rider of Lohan.

8. protoman

What? Why? He'd have a shot at making the Sweet 16 if he didn't get pitted against someone like Zero.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/Summer2004Winner.gif

And I don't care if you hate the Xbox or love it, Ninja Gaiden is just a game you like regardless of the system.

And Halo isn't? The top Spring nomination getter that falls in the 1st round (albeit to Starcraft) and puts their hero as a 3 seed in the contest and fails?

Ryu H can win, but I don't think he will, and I don't think the NES games will put in more than 3 thousand votes, because there aren't a lot of oldschoolers here that remember Ninja Gaiden.
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In Soviet Russia, the TOS violates you. ~JonPen1416

Wait, if Ryu H's NES games were great, how come he was never in it before the new game?

Like I said the Xbox game puts him over the top, making him an easy target for the Sweet 16.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/Summer2004Winner.gif

Wait, if Ryu H's NES games were great, how come he was never in it before the new game?

Ninja Gaiden Trilogy, the Atari Lynx Ninja Gaiden game, Ninja Gaiden: Shadow Warriors for the Game Boy. And then, of course, Team Ninja had a little series called Dead or Alive that they made. Three guesses as to who in the bracket appeared in that series.
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Smart Ask! National Champion (2003) www.rpgdl.com

In case you didn't notice, the BOP is now up.

I'm so tempted to show Ulti what I collected so far. Some of that stuff, one round 2 match in particular, just sounds ridiculous.
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And Halo isn't? The top Spring nomination getter that falls in the 1st round (albeit to Starcraft) and puts their hero as a 3 seed in the contest and fails?

Do I need to bust out the CJayC explanation on that one? It was obvious why Halo got a #1 seed.

Ryu H can win, but I don't think he will, and I don't think the NES games will put in more than 3 thousand votes, because there aren't a lot of oldschoolers here that remember Ninja Gaiden.

Those people should be shot... or stabbed in this case, but I wouldn certainly think that if Jill won she wouldn't do it by much at all. So those three thousand or so votes would be all he'd need, going by how much you think they'll affect things.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
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What? Why? He'd have a shot at making the Sweet 16 if he didn't get pitted against someone like Zero.

yes, protoman could do well...but only riding on mega man's coattails.

he's like liquid snake...except that liquid is probably mgs's second strongest character.
dr. wily, sigma and x would all do better than protoman.
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I will join the guru..

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Heroic Mario
3 - Sephirot1
4 - Ringworm
5 - Tnote827
6 - charmander6000
7 - DaruniaTheKing
8 - SteveIllumina
9 - Nightmare 45
10 - Krusty the Klown
11 - Red Sox 777
12 - Naye745
13 - Starion
14 - Yesmar
15 - swirldude
16 - King Morgoth
17 - jonthomson
18 - Z1mZum
19 - DomaDragoon
20 - Alanna82
21 - FastFalcon05
22 - andaca
23 - TyRaNuS
24 - Lieutenant Kettch
25 - Scoop Li
26 - FrostHarpy
27 - yoblazer33
28 - irriadin
29 - Haunter12O
30 - Aprosenf
31 - BeTheMan
32 - RamzaB
33 - Mac Arrowny
34 - Tai

I Feel confident about doing in this good contest for some reason..<_<'
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"Haha SMRPG wins because this is RPGFAQs." "If SMRPG wins then GameFAQs has no credibility." - Fanboys.

I'm so tempted to show Ulti what I collected so far. Some of that stuff, one round 2 match in particular, just sounds ridiculous.

From my bracket, or from someone else`s?

And let me guess. Some nutcase has Jill Valentine beating HK-47 in the second round >_<
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Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

26 Master Chief: 25.31% vs Cloud
28 Jill Valentine: 24.56% vs Cloud

That's a really big difference that makes me wet my pants.

And shouldn't MC being able to win the 4 pack we discuss of now show how weak it is?

And Ryu Hayabusa can easily join the list of those afflicted with the Gordon Freeman Flu (when I think of Ninja Gaiden, I think of the game, not Ryu, and I know I'm not the only one who thinks like this). Maybe he won't, but if he does, and the oldschoolers don't show, Jill can take the win here, and by more than 3,000.
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No, overall. And having Jill to take the 4-pack looks like a stroke of genius compared to what I'm talking about.
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Count me in, I guess.

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Heroic Mario
3 - Sephirot1
4 - Ringworm
5 - Tnote827
6 - charmander6000
7 - DaruniaTheKing
8 - SteveIllumina
9 - Nightmare 45
10 - Krusty the Klown
11 - Red Sox 777
12 - Naye745
13 - Starion
14 - Yesmar
15 - swirldude
16 - King Morgoth
17 - jonthomson
18 - Z1mZum
19 - DomaDragoon
20 - Alanna82
21 - FastFalcon05
22 - andaca
23 - TyRaNuS
24 - Lieutenant Kettch
25 - Scoop Li
26 - FrostHarpy
27 - yoblazer33
28 - irriadin
29 - Haunter12O
30 - Aprosenf
31 - BeTheMan
32 - RamzaB
33 - Mac Arrowny
34 - Tai
35 - Cavemanbob
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just the seeding alone makes me want to pick ryu over jill.

...not that i thought that way when i picked starcraft over halo...
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That's a really big difference that makes me wet my pants.

I didn't say it was huge, but you seem to thrive on Xbox hate yet it didn't stop an FPS, with no other background except Xbox, rank above Jill.

And shouldn't MC being able to win the 4 pack we discuss of now show how weak it is?

Depends on if you believe Jill can beat Hayabusa, in your case, yes. Me on other hand, no.

And Ryu Hayabusa can easily join the list of those afflicted with the Gordon Freeman Flu (when I think of Ninja Gaiden, I think of the game, not Ryu, and I know I'm not the only one who thinks like this).

How can you not think of the badass ninja your playing as? That guy just reeked of coolness in every game he's been in. And I could also easily see him doing well on Samus, surely not winning, but doing well.

Maybe he won't, but if he does, and the oldschoolers don't show, Jill can take the win here, and by more than 3,000.

I seriously doubt she could win by more than that. I'm still not sure why you are so doubtful of Hayabusa in the first place.
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dr. wily, sigma and x would all do better than protoman.

X would never get in, Sigma I would doubt being stronger than Proto Man. He's not exactly a liked person mind you, I mean how many people cheered when they heard this quote at the end of the MMX8 trailer:

"Congrats on defeating Sigma. I really can't say how many times this makes, but rest-assured he isn't coming back."

And Dr. Wily, yes, I could see him being stronger. Becuase the doc owns. =p
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/Summer2004Winner.gif

Well, Strider is a ninja, and he theoretically should be weaker than Hayabusa, I say. I just don't know if Hayabusa has the level of appeal that Strider does. :/

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

I'm doubtful of Hayabusa because the seeding says you should expect so much more out of him, yet we can see he won't do that well. Remember that MC only got 53% on Felix. Felix ranked 32nd, and Jill ranked 28th (not the biggest of differences, but worth mentioning).

Ryu H > MC is possible, but I wouldn't say by enough to make him the kick arse option of the 4 pack. If he does beat Jill, it will likely be a close match (no more than 55%). He'll then beat up Sora or HK-47, cause Sora is 11 ranks behind Jill. The only way for Ryu/Jill to lose in Round 2 is if HK-47 destroys Sora (75% or more).
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In Soviet Russia, the TOS violates you. ~JonPen1416

I'm doubtful of Hayabusa because the seeding says you should expect so much more out of him,

If CJayC really made the brackets off of nominations, like he said he did, then Hayabusa should have some well-deserved support heading in. But I think he'll perform like a #3 seed should despite the "curse" they present.

yet we can see he won't do that well.

I'm with creativename on this, I don't know why people are thinking he'll totally flop. Sure, it's a possibility but I never once held it in high regard.

Remember that MC only got 53% on Felix.

He then turned around and got like 40%+ on Aeris, he's an oddball.

Felix ranked 32nd, and Jill ranked 28th (not the biggest of differences, but worth mentioning).

Every ranking is worth mentioning if you ask me.

Ryu H > MC is possible, but I wouldn't say by enough to make him the kick arse option of the 4 pack.

I really think he's going to rank in the top spots of the rankings when it's all said and done. He has so much potential in him.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
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I think Ryu H will beat Jill with no real difficulty. I'm also expecting myself to miss about 2 round one matches:

Shadow vs Tidus, and Ness vs Jak.
2nd round: Yoshi vs Luigi, and Viewtiful Joe vs Dante.
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Word of the week= zephyr¤ a gentle breeze

What the... only one of them presents any real difficulty (Ness/Jak).
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Slowflake, don`t you have Yoshi beating Luigi?
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

Well, I'm hoping your current trend in the contest still holds Slowflake because my choices differ from yours.
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Master Guru UltimaterializerX is my can of tuna!!
Nominate Death for the 2004 Character Contest

I hope everyone realizes that Yoshi is going to lay it into Luigi.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/Summer2004Winner.gif

Slowflake, I believe everything in your sig, but it's not so much about the elite 8 as it is of the final 4. Now that will be an exciting final four. And there's actually one more round two match that's in the air: Tommy Vercitti vs Zero.
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Word of the week= zephyr¤ a gentle breeze

*laughs at Ness/Jak causing difficulty*

Jak has been in 2 very popular games, and has a lot of hype behind his 3rd. Ness is a cult favorite who even Guybrush Threepwood would be able to beat. I will be genuinely suprised if Jak doesn't get 65% on Ness.

i admit it's a long shot...but i won't be able to keep myself from picking luigi over yoshi.

he is the higher profile character in the series, after all.
hopefully that'll let him suck away some votes from the fan favorite...
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Tommy Vercitti vs Zero.

Zero's going to rip him apart.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
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Why, why, why am I seeing people actually giving HK-47 a chance of advancing to round 2? The guy is a fan-favorite minor character in a game for Xbox and PC only. That is the perfect recipe for a complete flop in the contest.

Now, I'll grant that Sora was no great shakes last year, but he was a cut above the true bottom-feeders. Aeris wasn't expected to be as strong as she turned out to be, so people blew Sora off as weak the day he lost and forgot about him when Aeris was busy giving Sonic the scare of his life. To top it all off, there may have been SFF hurting Sora last year as well!

As for this Hayabusa debate:

Yes, Ryu H.'s NES titles are surely worth something. One might expect that, on the strength of them alone, he would poll similarly to Simon Belmont. Simon is quite a way behind Jill ('03 version, let alone the '02 sweet 16 Super-Jill) though, so that Xbox Ninja Gaiden game had better have helped him a lot to get him past her. I certainly think it could have, but it is by no means a certainty.

Oh, and Hayabusa's high seeding came from being mentioned in the example on the nominations page.
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And there's actually one more round two match that's in the air: Tommy Vercitti vs Zero.

this match could be close...but zero seems like a clear favorite.
i can't imagine zero losing to donkey kong...

I will be genuinely suprised if Jak doesn't get 65% on Ness.

i will be genuinely surprised if jak gets more than 60% on ness.
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Since no one answered my question, I'm assuming I'm good to go. As I said, I'm not putting anyone's name in my sig, nor would I want someone to do the same for me if I win. Still doing this though.

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Heroic Mario
3 - Sephirot1
4 - Ringworm
5 - Tnote827
6 - charmander6000
7 - DaruniaTheKing
8 - SteveIllumina
9 - Nightmare 45
10 - Krusty the Klown
11 - Red Sox 777
12 - Naye745
13 - Starion
14 - Yesmar
15 - swirldude
16 - King Morgoth
17 - jonthomson
18 - Z1mZum
19 - DomaDragoon
20 - Alanna82
21 - FastFalcon05
22 - andaca
23 - TyRaNuS
24 - Lieutenant Kettch
25 - Scoop Li
26 - FrostHarpy
27 - yoblazer33
28 - irriadin
29 - Haunter12O
30 - Aprosenf
31 - BeTheMan
32 - RamzaB
33 - Mac Arrowny
34 - Tai
35 - Cavemanbob
36 - Tarrot

I shall join in this little challenge as well.

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Heroic Mario
3 - Sephirot1
4 - Ringworm
5 - Tnote827
6 - charmander6000
7 - DaruniaTheKing
8 - SteveIllumina
9 - Nightmare 45
10 - Krusty the Klown
11 - Red Sox 777
12 - Naye745
13 - Starion
14 - Yesmar
15 - swirldude
16 - King Morgoth
17 - jonthomson
18 - Z1mZum
19 - DomaDragoon
20 - Alanna82
21 - FastFalcon05
22 - andaca
23 - TyRaNuS
24 - Lieutenant Kettch
25 - Scoop Li
26 - FrostHarpy
27 - yoblazer33
28 - irriadin
29 - Haunter12O
30 - Aprosenf
31 - BeTheMan
32 - RamzaB
33 - Mac Arrowny
34 - Tai
35 - Cavemanbob
36 - Tarrot
37 - Phediuk
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

I missed that post.

It`s a sig challenge, Tarrot =(
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

The guru contest is gonna be big this year.

And BTW HM, although you've made my confidence in Jill waver, you haven't changed my mind yet on the issue. If you wanna keep trying, go ahead. Might be interesting stuff to read :)
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In Soviet Russia, the TOS violates you. ~JonPen1416

If Tommy gets destroyed by Zero, then that means Sonic has a more than reasonable chance of beating Samus. Though I hated it, GTA seems to be admired by everyone else. No one else has to, but I'm going to post my 2nd and 3rd round guesses. I think that the majority of points and distinction of victor and loser comes from everything after the 3rd round.

(1)Link vs (8)Ganondorf= Link
..........................................................Link vs ?????= Link
(5)Yoshi vs (4)Luigi= ??????

(6)Magus vs (3)Crono= ??????
.......................................................?????? vs Mario= ?????
(7)Bowser vs (2)Mario= Mario

(1)Mega Man vs (9)??????= Mega Man
...................................................................Mega Man vs Zero= Mega Man
(5)Tommy vs (4)Zero= Zero

(6)Frog vs (3)Master Chief= Frog
...............................................................Frog vs Snake= ?????
(10)?????? vs (2)Snake= Snake

(1)Cloud vs (8)Vyse= Cloud
.........................................Cloud vs Squall= Cloud
(5)Kirby vs (4)Squall= Squall

(11)Jak vs (3)Auron= Auron
.........................................Auron vs Sephiroth= Sephiroth
(7)Vivi vs (2)Sephiroth= Sephiroth

(1)Sonic vs (9)Ryu= Sonic
.........................................Sonic vs ?????= Sonic
(5)Joe vs (4)Dante= ??????

(11)HK-47 vs (3)Ryu H= Ryu H
.........................................Ryu H vs Samus= Samus
(7)Sam vs (2)Samus= Samus
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Word of the week= zephyr¤ a gentle breeze

How can you say Magus vs Crono and Frog vs Snake are questionable? Those are Crono's and Snake's matches easily.
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In Soviet Russia, the TOS violates you. ~JonPen1416

And BTW HM, although you've made my confidence in Jill waver, you haven't changed my mind yet on the issue. If you wanna keep trying, go ahead. Might be interesting stuff to read :)

Anytime between now and August you want to discuss the match I'll be more than happy. =) Although you'll probably run across me yelling at someone on the board.

If Tommy gets destroyed by Zero,

He will. Tommy is the most overrated piece of junk I've seen, and in the overall brackets he'll be in the division finals more than Mega Man. He was last year. <<
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I missed that post.

It`s a sig challenge, Tarrot =(


yeah, but it didn't even start out that way, right? I don't think its a big deal, I mean how many people actually care if he doesn't put them in his sig, its not like he's doing it just to be spiteful, he never has had one, personally, its not a very big deal, one person missing doesn't, or kinda shouldn't matter to anyone anyway...

and also Yoshi > Luigi
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If you work hard you can achieve great things in life...........and then you die. - from dilbert

Hey HM, if someone wants to be this passionate about Jill, let them. It isn`t your points going to waste.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

Well I guess we could include him in the stats.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

True.
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Summer Contest 2004 Winner: Mega Man
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario/Summer2004Winner.gif

This is why I think this contest is going to be great. The elite four is pretty much totally questionable, and we have pretty exciting 2nd and 3rd round matches.

And as for me questioning the obvious fights........well, who knows, if Frog comes close to Crono, than we know Crono can beat Snake. And last year Snake seemed to slug it along. He wasn't as powerful as I expected. And Magus seems to be a better CHARACTER and along with a more interesting personality, may boost his chances against Crono. In the Spring Contest, Crono Trigger beat A Link to the Past, one of the best Zelda games. I don't know what to expect next. If a character pulls a Starcraft, then there will be lots of surprises. That's why I'm giving more question marks than could be.
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Yet in the proximity of blight, I seek the Love and the Light. <><
Word of the week= zephyr¤ a gentle breeze

Oh, and I have one question for Ulti...

...do you feel any more confident in your contest prediction abilities now that you've scored second place in one of them?

Just curious.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Oh, and I have one question for Ulti...

...do you feel any more confident in your contest prediction abilities now that you've scored second place in one of them?

Just curious.

I`m tied for first until notified otherwise, and I was confident in my abilities before the Spring Contest even started. Aside from underestimating Starcraft, I only missed one match. And that was due to placing too much stock into board opinion.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
Ulti pwned me so completely in the Sp2k4 contest that I won't be able to sit for a week. -smitelf

You didn't exactly answer the question. :)
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It`s LAHARL with a damned L, punk. At least spell his name right if you`re going to bash him. And if he can take down 6 million EDF Battlecruisers in one fell swoop, I think he would be able to whip aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllll your kandy asses!1!11

Okay, I`m done. Disgaea is the greatest game ever, and you have obviously never played it. And on a more serious note, I`d love to know how Laharl is on a list of people that don`t belong here without having also included Earthworm Jim, Sly Cooper, Tidus, and Sephiroth. For shame.

Ulti...do not be angry!!! I put Laharl on the list cause he is too obscure to be in a character tourney, no matter how good the game is. I like Disgaea...believe me I do!

Yes I spelled it wrong...forgive me please! 10 others corrected me on it too so far!

But did u not say that StarCraft was the greatest game ever a mere month or so ago??? :)

And...tomorrow..I am...a LEGEND :) Now thats a worthy title for me, eh?

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Hey Slow, the least you can do is let us know what the huge laugher is that the majority apparently sees in the 2nd round... I mean, I know I could use a good laugh, especially if it happens to involve CATS... all your overestimations should not are belong solely to Slow =)
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7/9 Noms got into the contest... Semifinalists(at heart): Link, Luca Blight, Tommy Vercetti, Frog, Cloud, Sephiroth, Sonic, Gordon Freeman

Kirby vs. Squall is the only one I ended up having trouble on, although either one lost in the next round.

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I would go with Squall easily

and for the Sora vs. HK-47 stats without using any factors show that HK-47 will still only get 47.04%
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I don't like this business about keeping the Board Odds Project secret. Slowflake's doing all the work so the choice is his, but I'm in favor of public disclosure. Comes from my science/finance background--I strongly believe knowledge should be freely shared. That's why I have all this stuff on my site, after all.

I must say Ulti, I am also disappointed about your "misinformation" thing. I mean, you yourself wouldn't have won without being affected by board opinions, right? ;)

I'm only saying this half-seriously, as I realize people might be reading too much into your misinformation comments. I also like the humor value of the disinformation, and don't want to come off like a jackass. But it bothers me a little bit.

The way I see it, anything that makes one of "us" more likely to win this thing--just like it helped you win the last one--is better. I'd rather a board vet win this with the help of the board, than some guy who got lucky.

OK, sorry about that, I don't mean to upset anyone. I just had to get that off my chest--in the interest of full disclosure... ;-)


Heroic Mario:
Talk of Jill winning against Hayabusa remind me of how people though she would beat Squall.

Except that Jill beating Squall actually made sense :) It was logical to expect that at the time, though it wasn't entirely clear.

How can you not think of the badass ninja your playing as? That guy just reeked of coolness in every game he's been in. And I could also easily see him doing well on Samus, surely not winning, but doing well.

I agree. I've never played the XBox game, but certainly whenever I played the original Ninja Gaiden, I thought heavily of Ryu. Those NES games were too story-oriented for the player not to.

And HM, I find it very hard to believe that you and I are two of the only people vocally harping on Ryu's chances around here. I mean, we could be totally wrong, but it just seems obvious to me that Ryu would be very strong.

I hope everyone realizes that Yoshi is going to lay it into Luigi.

I don't think so actually, even though Nintendo stuff seems very susceptible to SFF. I think Luigi might win. Some of that might be my Luigi fanboyism, but the difference between them in last year's standings was not very large, maybe within a margin of error. It's easily within year-over-year volatility, except that these are pretty established characters, so I don't think they would change much from year to year.

StopPokingMe:
Oh, and Hayabusa's high seeding came from being mentioned in the example on the nominations page.

Aha, this is the best reason anyone has given so far for Ryu possibly flopping. I myself said this very same thing when the nominations came up ;) Except that Street Fighter Ryu didn't get seeded too well, so it's questionable how much of a factor this really was. (and who was the other Ryu again? He didn't make it at all)
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Anyone who doesn`t look at a picture of an amphibian knight in awe needs to rethink their purpose in this mortal coil. --Ulti
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For the record, I'd like to say you are all awesome gamers. Good luck with your brackets. I've finished mine, but somehow, I don't feel it will do unexpectably good. Still, it's time to bring on the contest.
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I'm actually more concerned about how little time was given for nominations. Didn't the nomination process for the previous contests last a week or longer? This one happened on short notice. I'm thinking this significantly affected the composition of the brackets.
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I don't think so actually, even though Nintendo stuff seems very susceptible to SFF. I think Luigi might win. Some of that might be my Luigi fanboyism, but the difference between them in last year's standings was not very large, maybe within a margin of error. It's easily within year-over-year volatility, except that these are pretty established characters, so I don't think they would change much from year to year.

Yoshi went down to Bowser last year. So Yoshi's ranking was hurt by SFF. Luigi went down to Squall who went down to Samus who went down to Link. SFF is supposed to be non-existant in a battle between heavyweights like Link and Samus. Even if it existed, Yoshi-Bowser SFF should be a lot more.
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I'm actually more concerned about how little time was given for nominations. Didn't the nomination process for the previous contests last a week or longer? This one happened on short notice. I'm thinking this significantly affected the composition of the brackets.

2k3's lasted about 2 days. Sp2k4 lasted about 5 days. This one was 4 days long. So it wasn't that much shorter than before.
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Interesting. Still, it seemed like the whole thing just came out of nowhere. I would be interested in how many total nominations each contest received. Anyone have that data?
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Nominate Death for the 2004 Character Contest

Nomination information was never released.
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Yeah, I really wish Ceej would release the nomination data. That would be incredibly interesting to look at.

I wonder if he even kept the data for the older contests.
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Anyone who doesn`t look at a picture of an amphibian knight in awe needs to rethink their purpose in this mortal coil. --Ulti
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Here are some of the 1st round matches that should be close:

(8) Ganondorf
(9) Alucard

Oh this will be close. Alucard, if not a powerhouse, is still a force to be reckoned with. On the other hand, there is Ganondorf, who for all intents and purposes is equal to Magus in popularity. Although it'll be a close one, I think Ganondorf will take home a 55% victory over Alucard.

(8)Tidus
(9)Shadow

Tidus is well remembered from his showdown with Ganondorf in 2003, losing in one of the closest matches of the 1st round, and indeed, the very tournament. Regardless, Tidus was booted out of the tourney in the 1st round, while Shadow pulled an "upset" over Wario then proceeded to perform extremely well against Mario, undeniably one of the strongest characters in the tournament. I think Shadow will take Tidus down anywhere from the 52-57% victory range.

Here are some other that are worth a blurb:

Kefka vs. Knuckles

Kefka's less than stellar performance last year indicates that he can't even match the third most popular Sonic character.

Ness vs. Jak

Relative new-comer Jak might be a popular platforming character, but can he measure up to Ness' quirky RPG and place in a phenominally popular fighting game? I'm hoping not.

Vivi vs. DK

Ok. DK is not a strong character by any means, but I think the franchises associated with his character (Donkey Kong Country, 64, etc.) will give him the edge needed to oust a Final Fantasy character.



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i too wish cjayc would show us some nomination data.
perhaps someone should email that petition to him directly...

Ok. DK is not a strong character by any means, but I think the franchises associated with his character (Donkey Kong Country, 64, etc.) will give him the edge needed to oust a Final Fantasy character.

those franchises didn't help him much against a grand theft auto character.
...they barely helped him against a bubble bobble character.
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I think Shadow will take Tidus down anywhere from the 52-57% victory range.

You're kidding, right? That would place Shadow on the verge of the Noble Nine, if not thrusting himself into that group. Tidus is being severely underestimated here.
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Hm, so everyone's saying HK-47 has no chance, huh? Are you sure about this? Star Wars: KotOR didn't do too badly...it would lose to Kingdom Hearts 60/40. So, if HK-47 beats Sora 60/40 among people who have played both games, then HK-47 is now 50/50 with Kingdom Hearts. :P Of course, it's just not like that.

That gets me thinking, though...Kingdom Hearts performed worse than expected, and many people said it would have done much better in 2003. Could that mean Sora actually got weaker, as well? If that's the case...

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Stupid Stats n00b Question Alert: If Chrono Trigger can beat LttP, is it silly to think Crono has a chance at Link?

Also, are you guys doing that sig thingy again?
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Shadow is being greatly underestimated, in my opinion. His % against Mario was very, very respectable.

In fact, I think Sonic's placement in the noble nine is questionable. Looking at the results of Link vs. Magus ( http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1353 ) , Cloud vs. Sonic ( http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1362 ), and finally Link vs. Cloud ( http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1365 ), you'll see that Magus and Sonic are of very similar power.

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Stupid Stats n00b Question Alert: If Chrono Trigger can beat LttP, is it silly to think Crono has a chance at Link?

I beleive OoT did better than Chrono Trigger in the Spring Contest. So Crono beating Link still doesn't seem likely.

Also, are you guys doing that sig thingy again?

Yes. Look back about 50-80 posts. You should see a large list of names.

Shadow is being greatly underestimated, in my opinion. His % against Mario was very, very respectable.

Tidus is also being underestimated. According to extrapolated rankings, Tidus did less than 0.05% worse than Shadow last year. If Shadow is even slightly weaker than he was against Mario(which is likely considering it's Mario), Tidus will come out on top.
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