I have the list of people involved in the contest, but I can`t give updated scores.

UltimaterializerX
Ngamer
Ncrdrg
Shake
Team Rocket Elite
Xuxon
IMAP
King Morgoth
StopPokingMe
red sox 777
nh82
FastFalcon
swirldude
Yesmar
creativename
Bananaquest
Sephirot
Haste2
Starion
Heroic Mario
solarshadow
Sir Chris
smitelf
neoatomtaco
cyko
Z1mZum
charmander
torey luvullo
ChichiriMuyo
DomaDragoon
Ringworm

And no Kirin17, meaning that I`ve won this contest once FF7 wraps up its victory.
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I would like to take this moment to politely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf

I'm very surprised to see the very tame predictions for Final Fantasy VII against SSBM in the Oracle challenge. Most of them appear to be under 60%!

MGS got 28.7% against Final Fantasy VII, MGS2 got 43.28% against SSBM. If MGS=MGS2, then SSBM would only be expected to get 33.16% here. While I would actually expect MGS to be significantly stronger than MGS2, I guess MGS2 might be stronger because it's newer. But still, for SSBM to get over 40% here would be quite the leap.

I believe the biggest semi-final blowout we've had was Sephiroth's 61.18% against Mega Man, and I'd be surprised if this didn't pass that.
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Nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for the Summer 2004 Character Contest!
http://SC2k4.com/frog (click on the galleries)

I've got Frog and Ridley as your nominations if you miss the Slow. I was going to nominate them anyway.

Kudos to Ulti who looks to be taking home a prize of some sort. Congrats.
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Mega Man in the Summer Contest '04? You better believe it!

And if I have to miss the entire nomination period, if any of you has any spots left, please nominate Frog and Ridley for me. Pwease?

I have no idea who Ridley is, but for you I'll be sure to keep him in mind ;) I'm sure someone will be kind enough to tell me what game he's from...?
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Nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for the Summer 2004 Character Contest!
http://SC2k4.com/frog (click on the galleries)

Ridley is from the Metroid series.
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Some problems with both sides, but not to bad overall.
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I must say this: I personally don't believe that because a>b and b > c, a > c. Some games just match up better against each other than others. Starcraft, as an obvious example, is good enough to beat practically any game on a good day. However, just because Halo and WW both got 50% on it doesn't mean Halo = WW. The extropolated rankings are good for a general idea, but are not locks by any means.

I must say this: I personally don't believe that because a>b and b > c, a > c.

We all know that the linearity assumption fails in many cases, however transitivity has never so much as been challenged. It would make no sense to challenge it either. Only in cases where you're dealing with results where all relevant matches were very close (say, within a percentage point) could you believe that C could defeat A, if A had beat already B and B had also already beaten C. (obviously this is referring to matches in the same year) While this cannot be test given the contest format, it would make little sense to believe otherwise.

Some people might think that there are some specific instances where transitivity might not hold, (especially regarding intra-fanbase or rivalry matches) but that is a huge stretch.

Starcraft, as an obvious example, is good enough to beat practically any game on a good day. However, just because Halo and WW both got 50% on it doesn't mean Halo = WW. The extropolated rankings are good for a general idea, but are not locks by any means.

You're mostly talking about linearity here, not transitivity. Drawing solid conclusions about games' relative strengths in the 128 division would be unwise, mostly because they are so clustered, and also because Starcraft is an anomaly.

If you were talking about Wind Waker vs. SSBM, then you would be talking about transitivity. However both their matches with Starcraft were so close you wouldn't be able to conclude anything with confidence anyway. That's because of the closeness of the matches, not Starcraft being weird (though of course Starcraft being weird caused the closeness of the matches).
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Nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for the Summer 2004 Character Contest!
http://SC2k4.com/frog (click on the galleries)

on a similar topic:
could smb3 beat lttp?

the rankings will say that it cannot...but i think it could happen.
they performed almost equally against chrono trigger.
and lttp seems more likely to draw votes from rpg fans than smb3, which could explain its higher score.

of course that would also work to its advantage against smb3...
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I don`t think it could. A Link to the Past was a very strong game and proved so by losing by a very small margin to Chrono Trigger, and not letting it ever blow the match way out. It is possible, but I don`t think it could manage a win against ALttP.
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Final Fantasy VII is just insane. I haven`t seen something so strong since Link in 2002.
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In 2002, I think Cloud would have been able to put up a good fight against Link. He should have beaten Mario for a start, and from looking at his past performances in that tournament I feel he would have beaten Link if they then met in the final (which I don't doubt had PGC not interfered).

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I have no doubt in my mind whatsoever that there was not a character in that contest that could touch Link.
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Okay, I'm getting a bit impatient here, so I'm going to take over your work, Slowflake, just for today.

EXTRAPOLATED RANKINGS FOR DIVISIONS 8 AND 16

* indicates Division 16

01. 50.00% - Chrono Trigger*
02. 49.82% - The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past*
03. 47.78% - Super Mario Bros. 3
04. 47.17% - Final Fantasy VI*
05. 41.30% - The Legend of Zelda
06. 40.99% - Super Mario World*
07. 38.61% - Final Fantasy
08. 32.94% - Super Mario RPG*
09. 28.83% - Street Fighter II*
10. 25.91% - Super Metroid*
11. 25.74% - Doom*
12. 25.40% - Mortal Kombat*
13. 24.13% - Sonic the Hedgehog 2*
14. 23.13% - Contra
15. 22.11% - Earthbound*
16. 21.00% - Tetris
17. 20.98% - Metroid
18. 20.61% - Secret of Mana*
19. 18.02% - Phantasy Star
20. 16.91% - Metal Gear
21. 15.19% - The Simpsons*
22. 13.22% - Pac-Man
23. 11.14% - Pong
24. 10.70% - Donkey Kong
25. 10.69% - Duck Hunt
26. 9.55% - Pitfall
27. 9.30% - Shining Force*
28. 9.14% - Galaga
29. 8.82% - Gunstar Heroes*
30. 8.66% - Phantasy Star IV*
31. 7.13% - River City Ransom
32. 3.97% - Adventure

Well, PSIV is far lower than PS...but that's probably best explained by the fact that not as many people have played those ancient NES games, so weaker games tend to overperform due to name recognition and such. That and also the SFF in Super Metroid vs. Zelda. Check out how high Contra is in the rankings though...wow.

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I really hope that SFF does not come into play majorly in the Final Fantasy VII vs. Chrono Trigger match, because if it does Final Fantasy VII could blow past 70%.

It wouldn't get as bad as Ocarina of Time vs. Mario 64 (Chrono Trigger>SMB3>>Mario 64, while Final Fantasy VII>Ocarina of Time), but it might get pretty bad.

I'm sure all of you can imagine how much I love Chrono Trigger, but I'm going to have to vote for Final Fantasy VII in that one. I just think it's too deserving for me to vote against it. Yet I still hope that the match isn't too big of a blowout; that would be depressing. The fact that SFF in that match would invalidate half the extrapolated standings is also slightly upsetting, but I care far more about Chrono Trigger putting up a reasonable fight. I'd be happy with over 38%, I think. Without SFF I think it could get about 40%, but with it, who knows.

The Square fanbase doesn't appear to be as inclined to SFF as the Nintendo fanbase. Also, like I said earlier, I don't think SFF would be as bad here as in some of the earlier matches, because these games are from different generations. I hope I'm right.
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Nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for the Summer 2004 Character Contest!
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Well, in the space of three days, I've lost all my money in the betting (damn useless Starcraft), all my money in the spread betting from a comfortable top 10 position (damn useless Mario 3 not covering the spread), and with FF7 blowing SSBM out of the water, all interest in the tournament. It was pretty obvious it would come down to Square vs. Square, but it's still a sad state of affairs when you've got a championship match in a "Best Game Ever" contest (yes, I know it's popularity, whatever) and I'll have to abstain on it. What a shame. I'll go and get some Whineken now I think.
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Jon Thomson - 45/61, 90/144 - today: FF7 (voting SSBM), tomorrow: FF7 (abstaining)

Whoa there, I`m relying on SFF for my tiebreaker to have any shot whatsoever of coming through here. Even if FF7 somehow manages to get 75% of the vote, the poll needs to get 95000 total votes for me to have any chance here.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
I would like to take this moment to politely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf

SFF is going to hurt FFVII more than help, I think. The fans of CT are just as fanatical as those of FFVII, and would vote CT over their own mother's lives. Of course, FFVII has those fans too, and more of them, plus the casual vote to go on, but CT will not be blown out. It will perform on SSBM levels, leaving no doubt as to what the #1 game is.

Peeps of GameFAQ's! This is it! So yep, its time for...the ever forward and ever revised...

Steve Illumina Speaks

Indeed it is so, the legendary and ever humorous commentary spews forth for a few days more, to attempt to offer some funny and lighthearted yet well-honed levity, here on this the stats thread... the past, present and future bastion of proven intelligence on this overly fanboy dominated board.

And so it proceeds, with the tourney favorite pulling it out over the cries of the Nintendites, the Sega Squadrons, the Xbox Nation, and the StarCraft cheaters.

CHAMPIONSHIP: Match LXIII (63...)

Chrono Trigger vs Final Fantasy VII

Steve's Prediction: FFVII by 55.55%
Steve's Bracket: FFVII over Chrono (Yes! I called it!)
Worst Game Ever: Bebe's Kids (NES)
Upset Chances: Improbable, Impossible, Indefensible

Comments: I called this match from the start, and am pleased to know I will finish 164/192. Not too bad. Better than over 39500 of the over 40000 entries. Congratulations to me! :)

It is sort of a pity the final match will have no drama and be over in about 10 minutes. But it was a wild ride to get here, and that makes it all worthwhile. For that, I shall give out my awards to the games that deserve them...

Best Performance: SSBM: The dark horse made it to the final four, and I am angry I did not keep it in my bracket to do that as I had originally! Good job SSBM

Best Surprise: StarCraft: Without the cheating, it won 3 matches and shocked the board to the core.

Biggest Flop: Kingdom Hearts: The touted Square RPG barely beat a 5 year old Dreamcast fighter (a good one though) and collapsed like a house of cards to a game it was "SUPPOSED" to beat, StarCraft.

Best Match: FF Tactics vs Metal Gear Solid: Back and forth all day, ended by a mere 30 or so votes.

Worst Match: FFTA vs Fire Emblem: Boring...and I called it kiddies: lowest vote total in the entire contest for this snoozefest.

Most Overseeded: Phantasy Star: This #5 seed was humiliated by Contra early.

Most Underseeded: Zelda LTTP: Should have been the #3, not the #6. It still did well though.

Now onto today's easy to call matchup...

Why FFVII Will Win: The name says it all.

Why Chrono Wont Win: FF7 is the game all the fanboys worship...even Chrono must bow in homage to it...

Probable Results: FFVII wins by a few thousand, and ends the tourney within minutes tonight.

What's Next!: The month of June will see the board die off til July to a degree, but that dont mean I am leaving! I will keep up the daily commentary including defending my nominations for Summer's Contest, discuss my dream bracket, and more.

Thanks to all who enjoyed my spring commentary! Keep it up through the break and through the summer!

~Steve Illumina~
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What is the point in these contest anymore? Square are going to win every single one of them with the same game.It's totally pointless.
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Best Performance: SSBM: The dark horse made it to the final four, and I am angry I did not keep it in my bracket to do that as I had originally! Good job SSBM

I would have said Starcraft.

Biggest Flop: Kingdom Hearts: The touted Square RPG barely beat a 5 year old Dreamcast fighter (a good one though) and collapsed like a house of cards to a game it was "SUPPOSED" to beat, StarCraft.

Honorable mentions go to the Wind Waker, Street Fighter 2, and Donkey Kong.

Best Match: FF Tactics vs Metal Gear Solid: Back and forth all day, ended by a mere 30 or so votes.

Pass whatever you`re smoking over here. LTTP vs Chrono Trigger completely trumped this match, and SSBM vs Starcraft blew the board to bits.

Most Underseeded: Zelda LTTP: Should have been the #3, not the #6. It still did well though.

Someone doesn`t like Starcraft much.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
I would like to take this moment to politely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf

Okay, this is just sickening. If all of Nintendo's characters combined can only manage 39% against FFVII...

...it doesn't matter how many times this contest is rerun. FFVII will never lose. Ever. I realize that people said the same thing about Link going into 2002, but...FFVII's popularity isn't going anywhere, and it takes years to gather the kind of fanbase like it's got here on GameFAQs.

*sigh*
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Honorable mentions go to the Wind Waker...

Why Wind Waker? While it didn't win the division, it came quite close. Also its loss was mostly because of Starcraft's strength not Wind Waker's weakness.
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Why Wind Waker? While it didn't win the division, it came quite close. Also its loss was mostly because of Starcraft's strength not Wind Waker's weakness.

It's a friggin' Zelda game. Zelda games aren't supposed to lose to 6 year-old RTS games that were given the 16 seed in a division they weren't even supposed to be in.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

I wonder if FF7 winning this contest will adversely affect Cloud and Sephiroth's chances in the summer contest? I truly hope anything, anything but FF7 wins the summer contest. Even if it's Gordan Freeman or CATS...
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Nominate Lyn for the Summer 2004 Contest!

Best Performance: SSBM: The dark horse made it to the final four, and I am angry I did not keep it in my bracket to do that as I had originally! Good job SSBM

Yeah, Starcraft probably does deserve this, but ssbm is ok for here too, because it wasn't expected to beat FFX, and it did take down StarCraft, not an easy thing to do.

Biggest Flop: Kingdom Hearts: The touted Square RPG barely beat a 5 year old Dreamcast fighter (a good one though) and collapsed like a house of cards to a game it was "SUPPOSED" to beat, StarCraft.

Honorable mentions go to the Wind Waker, Street Fighter 2, and Donkey Kong.

Hmm, Kingdom Hearts? I don't know, when you consider how WW did against SC, and then how SSBM did against SC, Kingdom Hearts really didn't do that badly. And same with Windwaker, imo, I wouldn't call it a flop, it probably is considered the worst Zelda by many, and I think that we should know Starcraft is no joke. Street Fighter 2? Yeah, but Mario RPG coulda been underestimated too. Donkey Kong? Yeah, that I can agree with. btw I know some of those were ulti's.

Best Match: FF Tactics vs Metal Gear Solid: Back and forth all day, ended by a mere 30 or so votes.

Pass whatever you`re smoking over here. LTTP vs Chrono Trigger completely trumped this match, and SSBM vs Starcraft blew the board to bits.

I agree with steve on this one, because FF Tactics vs Metal Gear Solid was the first match like that in a while. Yeah lttp vs chrono lasted longer, but I think that almost played it out. I mean it the poll was frantic between tactics and metal. SSBM vs SC, yeah, but all the SC matches were exciting, but this one was cool with cj intervening.

Yeah, I think Starcraft rightfully deserves most underseeded.
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I wonder if FF7 winning this contest will adversely affect Cloud and Sephiroth's chances in the summer contest? I truly hope anything, anything but FF7 wins the summer contest. Even if it's Gordan Freeman or CATS...

FF7's popularity is still growing by leaps and bounds. If anything, FF7's victory not only increase Cloud and Sephiroth's chances of winning, but also gives Aeris a shot too. I think Aeris has a small chance(doubtful though) get a #1 seed in the Summer Contest.

The only thing I think that could hurt FF7 at this point is Advent Children. If it's a bust, or has poor reviews, then I think FF7's popularity will start to go down.
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Ulti says:

Best Performance: SSBM: The dark horse made it to the final four, and I am angry I did not keep it in my bracket to do that as I had originally! Good job SSBM

I would have said Starcraft.

Wtf? Hell no! Starcraft had to spam sites, cheat, spam sites, and cheat again just to get as far as it [.......] did! Those proxy votes...[.......] telling others how to cheat to vote-stuff for Starcraft..you know what?! Starcraft shouldn't even RETURN to this contest next year! It all did was cheat for it's wins, and it had to play dirty. It doesn't deserve to be in another Spring Contest, especially with a higher seed..because people are just gonna vote spam more and more and more and lead Starcraft to an undeserved title!! SSBM beat Starcraft cause CJayC kicked those Starcraft fanboys so far up their asses...along with their votestuffing. If I despised Starcraft FANS when it beat WW this way, I despised them know when SSBM only won because of votes taken away from Starcraft and despite that, taking out 3000 votes of SSBM's lead thanx to it's fans' votestuffing. It's disgusting. Those [.......] like [.......] toddlers like the PPG or Super Milk-Chan or something..for real..what are you talking about, Ulti?! ANY OF YOU?!

Cheaters never win. Winners never cheat.

Starcraft cheats. Therefore, it's the loser. It made a mockery of this contest, and gave no justice to it. How can anyone respect that?! Because it's popular?! I don't give a [....], anymore. It cheated all through this tourney, and it doesn't deserve a comeback. And those Korean [.......] should [...] in [....]. Starcraft couldn't win one this year, so it shouldn't comeback. It should be disqualified. If it wants to be in this contest, it should cry to GameSpy. Simple as that.

End of story. Say what you'd like about me being "biased" and just hating Starcraft. It's there [.............] FANS who gives games a bad name.

Again, say what you'd like. I'm fed up..
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"Haha SMRPG wins because this is RPGFAQs." "If SMRPG wins then GameFAQs has no credibility." - Fanboys.

This is boring, when does the next contest start?

</whining>
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Current Sp2K4 Score: 94/128, Next Winner: Chrono Trigger

Best Performance: FFVII - this should be obvious, seeing as it's going to win the contest. Even failing to take that into account, however, it beat OoT by a significant margin that few were expecting. It is now destroying SSBM. FFVII is a killer.

Best Surprise: Starcraft - who would think that a PC game would do half this well on GameFAQs? Not counting the massive cheating in the SSBM match, it put up a good and fair show, regardless of what certain people say about Battle.net. An excellent game that deserves far better than its 16-seed got to the elite eight. Whether you like Starcraft or hate it, the game added some unexpected spice and controversy to the contest that was desperately needed.

Biggest Flop: Kingdom Hearts - the vast majority thought that Kingdom Hearts would take its quarter of the division all the way to Wind Waker, and yet it nearly loses in the first round to a fighting game and was beaten by Starcraft without the assistance of Battle.net being necessary. A pathetic showing from a Square title.

Best Match: TIE between Starcraft vs. Wind Waker and Chrono Trigger vs. Link to the Past - I just can't decide. I had more fun during Starcraft vs. Wind Waker near the end but CT vs. LttP was going back and forth for much of the match with neither game seeing a clear advantage until the end. Both were great matches that show just why this contest can be so much fun.

Worst Match: FFVII vs. SSBM - can you say mismatched? I have nothing against SSBM; I'd probably be calling this the worst match for any game out of Division 128. Seriously, this is the second to last match, and it's a total bore. The contest should be a nailbiter at this point but has ended up being completely predictable.

Most Overseeded: Halo - how is this even in question? We were laughing about this before the contest started and we should still be laughing. This is the most glaring problem with the nominations system as it stands, except for...

Most Underseeded: Starcraft - it's a sixteen seed that made it to the division finals. There is no other logical pick possible in this category.
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Current Sp2K4 Score: 94/128, Next Winner: Chrono Trigger

Go to the link, everyone.

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=14440814

Enough said.
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"Haha SMRPG wins because this is RPGFAQs." "If SMRPG wins then GameFAQs has no credibility." - Fanboys.

Well, I'm sitting at 126 now and have FF7 winning today and tomorrow. Doesn't sound all that bad after all, comming from being about the 4th lowerst in the guru standings. If I end up taking 2nd I suppose there's no one better to take second to than Ulti. Wish we could see the Guru standings though, just so I could know if anyone was standing higher than me :)

I was quite surprised to see 74 people tied or above me had picked SMB3 yesterday. I was actually hoping for a little bit more than that, but I wasn't expecting it. Still, after looking at the leader board to my shock a full 30% of the people in the top 50 have someone other than FF7 winning. If that holds out I will, unfortunately, fall a slight bit short of the top 50. It would seem that at this point more people who had FF7 winning expected it to face CT... Alas, It seems I wasn't destined for top 50 after all.
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I disagree about Halo being the most overseeded game. We thought it was weak after Starcraft took it down, but now we can see that it would lose to Zelda: WW 52/48 (judging by how they were both doing against Starcraft at their peak). Yes, maybe it deserves a 5 or 6 seed, but all the top games in the division are REALLY close to each other...

I think FFTA is the most overseeded game.

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Yes, FFTA was badly overseeded.
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I disagree about Halo being the most overseeded game. We thought it was weak after Starcraft took it down, but now we can see that it would lose to Zelda: WW 52/48 (judging by how they were both doing against Starcraft at their peak). Yes, maybe it deserves a 5 or 6 seed, but all the top games in the division are REALLY close to each other...

As some have already noted, judging games by how they did against Starcraft won't work because of its variable fanbase between matches.
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The difference would hardly be huge. The cheating accounted for maybe 2,000-5,000 votes each match. While that's enough such that we couldn't tell who'd actually win a match between, say, Halo and Wind Waker, it is very clear they wouldn't be too far apart.

But to screw up a one-seed is pretty major in my books. Ceej should have exercised some common sense and put SSBM or FFX above Halo. And, again, what's this about cheating? It was only found in the SSBM match.
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Current Sp2K4 Score: 110/144, Next Winner: Final Fantasy VII

Haste2:
I disagree about Halo being the most overseeded game. We thought it was weak after Starcraft took it down, but now we can see that it would lose to Zelda: WW 52/48 (judging by how they were both doing against Starcraft at their peak). Yes, maybe it deserves a 5 or 6 seed, but all the top games in the division are REALLY close to each other...

I totally agree. In truth, Halo was MUCH stronger than most of us gave it credit for before the contest. We were all laughing our asses off about it being the #1 seed, but in retrospect, it being the #1 seed actually wasn't that unbelievable. We can say with high confidence that it would not have lost to SSBM, the strongest game in the division, while getting more than 45% at a bare minimum. (and in all likelihood, over 48%)

Kingdom Hearts was also the biggest disappointment in some ways, but in retrospect, it wasn't a flop. Its strength was comparable to Metroid Prime's, which most of us would not have thought possible before the contest. We also probably wouldn't have thought it to be so close to Wind Waker and Final Fantasy X. It was a disappointment in terms of not living up to how we thought it would do against its opponents, but this was clearly not because we overrated it, since we actually would have underrated how close it was to the strongest games in the division.

smitelf:
As some have already noted, judging games by how they did against Starcraft won't work because of its variable fanbase between matches.

The difference would hardly be huge. The cheating accounted for maybe 2,000-5,000 votes each match. While that's enough such that we couldn't tell who'd actually win a match between, say, Halo and Wind Waker, it is very clear they wouldn't be too far apart.
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http://SC2k4.com/frog (click on the galleries)

But to screw up a one-seed is pretty major in my books. Ceej should have exercised some common sense and put SSBM or FFX above Halo. And, again, what's this about cheating? It was only found in the SSBM match.

Whoa, fast reply. I said less than 45% when I meant more than so I deleted that post.

Anyway, again, Halo was the #1 seed didn't end up being nearly as bad we all had presumed beforehand. I mean, few of us gave Halo much chance against Kingdom Hearts, let alone Wind Waker/Final Fantasy X/Metroid Prime/SSBM. It ended up being roughly equal to most of those games at worst.

It should also be obvious that significant cheating was going on for Starcraft in earlier matches. We knew this beforehand and talked about it, and the sloppy cheating in the SSBM match only makes it even more clear. Turns out it was probably with proxy votes rather than dynamic IPs, which is what we were discussing earlier. However I doubt it accounted for much more than 3,000 votes per match, and while that is enough to throw off the relative strenghts of games it faced, Halo still is fairly close to Wind Waker no matter which way you look at it.
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Nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for the Summer 2004 Character Contest!
http://SC2k4.com/frog (click on the galleries)

BTW, I deleted that post before I refreshed it so I didn't see smitelf's post beforehand. Sorry if that made the thread confusing.
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Nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for the Summer 2004 Character Contest!
http://SC2k4.com/frog (click on the galleries)

Anyway, again, Halo was the #1 seed didn't end up being nearly as bad we all had presumed beforehand. I mean, few of us gave Halo much chance against Kingdom Hearts, let alone Wind Waker/Final Fantasy X/Metroid Prime/SSBM. It ended up being roughly equal to most of those games at worst.

Which is what I had been saying even before the Wind Waker matchup.....

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Hero "Things happen when you`re living!
"Cake. Tasty even raw!"

And Tai`s trolling even spreads to Site Suggestions. All posts have been marked as such, of course.

And assuming FF7 wins tomorrow, this means I win the Guru contest. One more day until I see some people change their sigs =)
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
I would like to take this moment to politely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf

Someone doesn`t like Starcraft much.

I like and respect StarCraft and awarded it Best Surprise. Yes it could have won other categories, but I wanted to not have the same game win 2 of my picks for my made up categories.

SO yep, I like it, but give me Age of Empires or good old Red Alert instead! :)
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NOW you`re talking =)
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
I would like to take this moment to politely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf

Well, because SSBM will lose, there is no more Nintendo in this contest. I will probably be taking it easy now.


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Ñïñtèñdð²®
<><»»Jesus is cool.

Sigh.

Maybe I'll have better luck in the Summer Contest.

I had a SMB3 vs. OoT final...*sob*
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Heck, it was most likely a nintendo fanboy who did it to make us look bad
~Lamest excuse for StarCraft cheating ever.

So it does look like the finals are going to be Chrono Trigger vs. Final Fantasy VII. The most favored two games at the beginning seem to have made it here. It seems yet again that we are going to get a rather boring final with the same company for each game. I wouldn`t see this match being too close either with FFVII winning with 56%+ would be my prediction on the match.

Oh well I`m ready for the Summer Contest right now. =)
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Sevendust PWNED me with his superior prophet skills.

you should have stuck with CT, Heroic Mario, lol ^_^
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Married to SemiFinal vs Belarus since June 1st, 2004.

Yes, HM.
My bracket really screwed up with LTTP beating CT, and SSBM beating LTTP in the finals....

I wish all a good luck at the 2004 Summer Contest. Remembre......
.....
...GO NINTENDO!!!!!!!

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Ñïñtèñdð²®
<><»»Jesus is cool.

I have to hope that HM's curse in close matches holds true.

;)
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120 pts.
CT vs. OoT (FF7)