And here the CJayC topic we've been waiting for...
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=14418787&page=0

So it was proxy votes after all:

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=14418787

There was some talk on the boards about some commercial on Korean Starcraft TV about this contest, but that rumor was of shady credibility and looks debunked now.

As it turns out, CJayC intervenes for only the second time ever...against a game that he thinks Mario is the star of. (he clearly thinks Mario is the star since he used Mario's pic to reprsesent the game in earlier rounds) Seems fishy in itself.

Of course, this was perhaps the most blatant cheating ever ;) So no need to start believing the conspiracy theories. It is quite the coincidence though...

Too bad Halo and Wind Waker, who probably also suffered from proxy votes, won't be helped.
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http://SC2k4.com/frog (click on the galleries)

You and your Mario conspiracies...

Mario just happens to be in the game... heh. =P
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From that topic:

Seeing a lot of proxy server votes for Starcraft, from votes # 76000 to 79000. Looks like someone got real sloppy; this is kind of obvious. I may end up throwing out that entire block of 3000 votes unless I can sort out the legitimate from the proxy votes. Let me see what I can do here... [CJayC]

POWER OVERWHELMING
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I would like to take this moment to politely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf

That huge push was 1300, right? If I was him, I'd be generous to the Starcraft people and remove 800, since some of it can be legit as well.
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 105/120 --- Matches: 51/59 --- Rank: 00200/40940 --- Today's pick: Wind Waker

*sigh* And now all the SC fans on the board are going to be persecuted by idiots because other people are idiots. Oh well, as long as the results are legit.
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Too bad Halo and Wind Waker, who probably also suffered from proxy votes, won't be helped.

they were both definitely victims and possibly even Kingdom Hearts, too, but none of those matches had vote spikes nearly as severe as the 1350 vote comeback in thirty minutes that happened earlier today. that was ridiculously blatant.

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cyko's 256 Game Contest: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=14404468

No, it gained 1300. The total was well over 2300 votes for SC, and around 1060 for SSBM. Anywher from 13-15 hundred of SC's are probably cheat votes, judging from the way SSBM was gaining right before those two updats.
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Bump
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The only time anything has ever been this blatant was the other time CJayC took action, in fact. Not even the giga-push at the end of Mario/Crono II was as blatant.
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 105/120 --- Matches: 51/59 --- Rank: 00200/40940 --- Today's pick: Wind Waker

You and your Mario conspiracies...

Mario just happens to be in the game... heh. =P

Yeah, Mario just "happens" to be around whenever stuff like this happens ;)

Interesting story about the proxy voting: I was interested in experimenting with this. So I found lists of proxy servers and tried to manually use them. I would alternate voting attempts for both entrants, so as not to affect the voting. I estimate that I tried maybe 20-30 attempts, and of those, only 2 worked (both for SSBM I think, but I'm not sure about that)--for all the others, it said the IP address had already voted! So whoever this was did a pretty thorough job of using up a big part of the publicy available proxy servers (the ones I tried were from different lists from different sites). Silly fool did it all within the same 20 minute span though, making it even more obvious. There were also some transparent servers in there that had already been used. Transparent servers are easier to detect than anonymous and high anonymous servers.
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Nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for the Summer 2004 Character Contest!
http://SC2k4.com/frog (click on the galleries)

And I call it for SSBM. I shall take a screenshot in a couple of hours to show you all my perfect 128 bracket, of which I may be one of the few who can claim that.

CJayC:
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=14419457

"I still haven't found the proxy list this guy used, but I'm piecing it together.

So far, I've found 400 votes for Starcraft made through proxy servers, all coming pretty much one after another. You can actually see when the proxy program starts in the server logs. This is a case of one person (or a couple of them) going through all the trouble of creating a program to auto-vote through proxy server after proxy server. I can only hope they're doing it for the fun of it and not for their own contest entry.

I mean, you usually see 1-2 votes from known proxies an hour, but those votes are for both sides. Then suddenly, between votes #75562 and #78961, there are over 400 votes for Starcraft, all from known proxies. Of course, I'm fairly sure another 300-400 votes in that range are from proxies as well, but I'm still hunting them down."

Hello Final Fantasy VII vs. SSBM.
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Nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for the Summer 2004 Character Contest!
http://SC2k4.com/frog (click on the galleries)

Excellent work, Tarrot.

I have a perfect Division 8. :P Of course, THAT'S not hard to do, as there were 2 or 3 toss-up matchups in that entire thing.

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"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

I still haven't found the proxy list this guy used, but I'm piecing it together.

So far, I've found 400 votes for Starcraft made through proxy servers, all coming pretty much one after another. You can actually see when the proxy program starts in the server logs. This is a case of one person (or a couple of them) going through all the trouble of creating a program to auto-vote through proxy server after proxy server. I can only hope they're doing it for the fun of it and not for their own contest entry.

I mean, you usually see 1-2 votes from known proxies an hour, but those votes are for both sides. Then suddenly, between votes #75562 and #78961, there are over 400 votes for Starcraft, all from known proxies. Of course, I'm fairly sure another 300-400 votes in that range are from proxies as well, but I'm still hunting them down. [CJayC]

I say he should let the poll play out before taking votes away. I want to see if SSBM would have won anyway.
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I would like to take this moment to politely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf

Good work by CJayC to catch the cheated votes. Glad to see SSBM win the match. =)
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Excellent work, Tarrot.

I have a perfect Division 8. :P Of course, THAT'S not hard to do, as there were 2 or 3 toss-up matchups in that entire thing.

Hey, I can take a screenshot of my perfect 32/64 bracket (something a monkey could have done). =)

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Current Score: 97/120
Today's bracket pick: MP over SSBM (oops!) | Today's Oracle pick: SC with 50.1%

Excellent work, Tarrot.

I have a perfect Division 8. :P Of course, THAT'S not hard to do, as there were 2 or 3 toss-up matchups in that entire thing.

Yeah, excellent work, Tarrot.

I myself have a perfect Division 32/64, but I lost 1 point each in Divisions 8 and 16 (Duck Hunt & SFII), and I lost a whopping TWENTY-ONE points in Division 128. I had FFX over Wind Waker today.
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From: CJayC | Posted: 6/4/2004 1:57:23 AM | Message Detail
Total confirmed open proxy votes found for Starcraft: 637

There are likely more, but I've exhaused all of the public open proxy lists I know. All of the votes came within a specific time frame, and 100% of them were for Starcraft (something that can't really be passed off as a coincidence). They started off heavy, then slowed down (I guess as the guy exhausted his lists).

There are likely more than the 637 I found, but I was only going by public lists (i.e. ones I could find on Google). How I found them: Looked up a suspect vote IP address on Google with the word "proxy" as well, and then taking the lists that popped up and adding them into my known proxy list. I started with around 200 that I already knew about (I hadn't updated my lists in a year and a half), then found the other 400+ through Google tonight.

Oh, and this is pretty telling:
http://www.cjayc.com/kekekeke.png

The plot points are votes per game per 1000 votes.

And now, for the frequently whined questions:

How do you know that these are all fradulent votes?

They're from known open proxy servers (most of them in countries like Malaysia, Turkey, China, and so on), 100% of them are for Starcraft, and they all came in a huge rush (as if someone started off a program to vote automatically).

How do you know that this didn't happen earlier in the contest?

I don't know, but I'm fairly sure, given that there wasn't a surge like this on any other contest. Every other lead change has been gradual and taken hours to fully come about; a 1000 vote gain in an hour isn't normal.

You're just a Nintendo fanboy, aren't you?

How sad is it this? I mean, I've been accused of being for/against so many different companies at this point, it's not even funny. Just a day ago, I was anti-Nintendo for not finding any cheating going on in the LTTP battle...

For the record, I don't care who wins, as long as both sides play as fairly as the other. If you'll recall what I said just a day or two ago, the only kind of "cheating" that I would remove votes for was when one person attempted to seriously sway the contest vote all by themselves, and low and behold, someone got desparate enough to try it. If you were online and watching it when the swing happened, there can't really be any question that this wasn't legitimate.

So, what are you going to do about this?

I'm not sure. Ask me in an hour. The options range from nothing (if SSBM holds out), to removing all proxy server votes, removing all votes within the known "cheating" timeframe, or even a complete re-run of today's battle from scratch, with new intensive security measures in place to prevent this from happening again.

You're just making this up, aren't you?

Why in the hell would I open myself up to this much criticism without a valid reason? I mean, seriously, tracking this crap down has been an amazing waste of my time that I could have spent updating the site. Instead, we've got some guy attempting to ruin things for his own personal benefit, and that's not right. [CJayC]
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I would like to take this moment to politely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf

Most. Detailed. Ceej post. EVAR.

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=14420188

And what's this...there's a CJayC.com!?

Ooh...pretty graphs!

http://www.cjayc.com/kekekeke.png

"Kekeke" indeed. Need more graphs!! Ceej should make this data public.


I'm concerned about the "I'm tired of looking..." thing though. Even though Starcarft almost certainly won't win, the proxy voting was at least somewhat successful. Since the turnaround was for about 1200-1300 votes, and only 637 will be removed, we can safely assume that at least 400-500 cheat votes will still be counted.

Also, Ceej basically openly admits that he's not gonna check for proxy votes unless there's a singular surge. So smart cheaters still look to be in the clear.

You're just a Nintendo fanboy, aren't you?

How sad is it this? I mean, I've been accused of being for/against so many different companies at this point, it's not even funny. Just a day ago, I was anti-Nintendo for not finding any cheating going on in the LTTP battle...

Note how he conspicuously avoids the Mario fanboy accusations, while dealing with the easy to discredit Nintendo fanboy accusations. We already *know* he's not a Zelda fanboy after all, that was never an issue.

Snarky protestations of innocence won't work, my friend. We're onto you CJayC :|
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http://SC2k4.com/frog (click on the galleries)

Total confirmed open proxy votes found for Starcraft: 637

There are likely more, but I've exhaused all of the public open proxy lists I know. All of the votes came within a specific time frame, and 100% of them were for Starcraft (something that can't really be passed off as a coincidence). They started off heavy, then slowed down (I guess as the guy exhausted his lists).

There are likely more than the 637 I found, but I was only going by public lists (i.e. ones I could find on Google). How I found them: Looked up a suspect vote IP address on Google with the word "proxy" as well, and then taking the lists that popped up and adding them into my known proxy list. I started with around 200 that I already knew about (I hadn't updated my lists in a year and a half), then found the other 400+ through Google tonight.

Oh, and this is pretty telling:
http://www.cjayc.com/kekekeke.png

The plot points are votes per game per 1000 votes.

And now, for the frequently whined questions:

How do you know that these are all fradulent votes?

They're from known open proxy servers (most of them in countries like Malaysia, Turkey, China, and so on), 100% of them are for Starcraft, and they all came in a huge rush (as if someone started off a program to vote automatically).

How do you know that this didn't happen earlier in the contest?

I don't know, but I'm fairly sure, given that there wasn't a surge like this on any other contest. Every other lead change has been gradual and taken hours to fully come about; a 1000 vote gain in an hour isn't normal.

You're just a Nintendo fanboy, aren't you?

How sad is it this? I mean, I've been accused of being for/against so many different companies at this point, it's not even funny. Just a day ago, I was anti-Nintendo for not finding any cheating going on in the LTTP battle...

For the record, I don't care who wins, as long as both sides play as fairly as the other. If you'll recall what I said just a day or two ago, the only kind of "cheating" that I would remove votes for was when one person attempted to seriously sway the contest vote all by themselves, and low and behold, someone got desparate enough to try it. If you were online and watching it when the swing happened, there can't really be any question that this wasn't legitimate.

So, what are you going to do about this?

I'm not sure. Ask me in an hour. The options range from nothing (if SSBM holds out), to removing all proxy server votes, removing all votes within the known "cheating" timeframe, or even a complete re-run of today's battle from scratch, with new intensive security measures in place to prevent this from happening again.

You're just making this up, aren't you?

Why in the hell would I open myself up to this much criticism without a valid reason? I mean, seriously, tracking this crap down has been an amazing waste of my time that I could have spent updating the site. Instead, we've got some guy attempting to ruin things for his own personal benefit, and that's not right.

While SSBM may hold out, Ceej could rerun the whole match possibly. It ain't over yet.

You just have a thing against Mario. =P
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Beat you to it by 12 seconds, creative ~_^
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I would like to take this moment to politely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf

The first reason he stated will be the one that actually is used I would venture to say. Reason being? SSBM is going to hold out and by quite a bit.
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Sevendust PWNED me with his superior prophet skills.

If CJayC reruns the match, Starcraft will definitely win. Think about it. The casual SSBM voter will think he already voted and not bother, while the better-informed Starcraft fans will rush here again.
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 105/120 --- Matches: 51/59 --- Rank: 00200/40940 --- Today's pick: Wind Waker

Heroic Mario:
You just have a thing against Mario. =P

Ceej just has a thing for Mario ;)

Ulti:
Beat you to it by 12 seconds, creative

Well, you posted a minute and 12 ahead of me, but I only posted the link. I was mainly just commenting though :)

Slowflake:
If CJayC reruns the match, Starcraft will definitely win. Think about it. The casual SSBM voter will think he already voted and not bother, while the better-informed Starcraft fans will rush here again.

Possible, but I wouldn't be sure about it. One possible benefit for Starcraft though could be that the cheater would now know his mistake. If he could find other proxy servers than the one's he used, he could do it again, successfully this time.

I doubt the match will be re-run though, since Starcraft ain't winning anyway. I would presume Ceej would only restart the match if Starcraft had won by something like 637 votes or more, since beyond that is a grey area where Ceej knows he didn't get all the proxy votes.
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Nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for the Summer 2004 Character Contest!
http://SC2k4.com/frog (click on the galleries)

This match will not be reran. SSBM is going to win cheat votes, or no cheat votes. Only if SC were to win would the redo option come to play.
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"Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone's got one and nobody thinks their's stink." -Random Zulan Villager (Lunar 2: Eternal Blue)

As promised:

http://evenflow469.homestead.com/files/bracket.jpg

My 128 bracket, all full of green. Wish I could say the same for my other brackets.

Prediction: It looks like SMB3/CT will be within a couple hundred going into the mourning vote. I'm predicting that SMB3 will carry the day vote more convincingly then LttP, and will be able to hold the night vote to beat CT.

Well my first three divisions are completely green. Wish I could say the same about the 128 division in which I lost eeehhmm 1 first round, 2 second round, 2 third round, division final that's 21 points :S
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so....... when are nominations for SC2K4 gonna be up?

>_>

and congrats again, Ulti. it looks like you are headed for the top Two.

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Current Score: *ripped up bracket*
cyko's 256 Game Contest: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=14404468

Congratulations Ulti, looks like YOU'RE WINNER! Maybe you won't get first place, who knows, but you should end up getting something.
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Current Sp2K4 Score: 94/112, Next Winner: Final Fantasy VII

Congratulations Ulti, looks like YOU'RE WINNER! Maybe you won't get first place, who knows, but you should end up getting something.

Provided this match doesn't decide to follow the tradition of Mario vs. Crono battles. >>

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-Videogame Recaps

Well, so much for one last upset.

Jesus, what a boring finish to a contest that was getting to be really interesting...
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Peeps of GameFAQ's! Only 2 battles to go! So yep, its time for...the ever forward and ever revised...

Steve Illumina Speaks

Indeed it is so, the legendary and ever humorous commentary spews forth for a few days more, to attempt to offer some funny and lighthearted yet well-honed levity, here on this the stats thread... the past, present and future bastion of proven intelligence on this overly fanboy dominated board.

And so it proceeds, with the Nintendites' valiant last stand, there to breathe their last gasps as they do battle with the Idol of Square fanboys, here to get us finalist #2 in the Spring 2004 Contest.

FINAL FOUR: Match LXII (62...)

(Golden Age Champ)FFVII vs (Modern Era Champ)SSBM

Steve's Prediction: FFVII by 55%
Steve's Bracket: FFVII over FFX (1/2 Right!)
Dreamer's Pick: Ephemeral Fantasia
Upset Chances: FFVII can only lose to itself...

Comments: Considering the 32 games from these divisions...could there be a more fitting match to get us finalist #2? Yes. Should have been FFVII vs Universal Studios on GameCube. Haha, Kidding! So I picked the 2 FF's. One made it, the other failed. Oh well. Lets look at what we got...

SSBM....the Nintendo All Star Team, knows well that Mario 3, the King of Platformers' defining moment of glory, fell to Chrono. The Nintendrones know that they are the last hope of non RPG'rs everywhere. They know if anyone is to stop the juggernaut of GameFAQ's, the Idol of the Square Legions, the poster child of profits, it would be them.

So like 'Stonewall' Jackson in the Civil War, they are standing tall and rigid, lined up in formation like a wall of mortar, preparing to offer their very virtual lives in honor, as they stand up to the force of all that is overworshipped, overidolized, overadored. We aint talking about Yu-Gi-Oh! We are talking only about FF freakin VII.

The FFVII fanboys know that if they repel the last full measure by the Nintendites, the victory this spring is assured due to the Same Fanbase Factor. Still, the existing fanboy sects are not enough, so they pull out all the stops, bringing in every last group they can summon. The fanboys are now an army...laid out in batallions, divisions and companies, and they roll call as such:

Square Squad, Aeris Army, Barret's Brigade, Tifa's Babes, International Brotherhood of Squaresoft, Vincent's Valentine Club, Highwinders, Shinra Union, Order of the Orange Chocobo, Friends of Heidigger, Red Herd, and the new fringe militia, the Jenova Junkies!

"We all stand tall and proud, for you our mother FFVII!" The fanboys and fangirls cry out, beating their chests and standing tall in devotion to their sacred entity...

Why FFVII Will Advance: Because this is GameFAQ's, and this is where "every fanboy, every fangirl, every cosplayer, every blind devoted kiddie who tattooed Jenova to their arm will stand tall behind this, their reason for living" (Steve Illumina 4/17/04)

Why SSBM Wont Advance: It will fight to the last Nintendite, but in the end, collapse to the FFVII juggernaut, as the Texans did to the Mexicans at the Alamo...

Probable Results: FFVII wins comfortably, and ends the tourney a day early.

Random Gibberish: "They are stealing the Planet from Mother" -Sephiroth, Fox McCloud, Heretic Hojo, Casa de Sol, Gold Saucer, Mr. Game and Watch, Luigi, Yoshi, Peach, The Junon March, The Secret of Nibelheim, Beta, "You are a worthless specimen" -Hojo, Ancients, Bugenhagen, Mario, Link, Bowser, Ice Climbers, and of course, Cloud.
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Steve Illumina: Standing tall against fanboys for over 20 years

Well, Ulti, better start picking your games now... you look primed for a second place, damn that tiebreaker of yours.

I'll be gone for a couple days, because I'm moving... my dad can pull the plug anytime now. I'll hopefully be back on Sunday, and then I'll try and update as much stats as possible.

And for the first time in the contest, CT is winning the day vote... against a Mario game. XD
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 105/128 --- Matches: 51/60 --- Rank: 00512/40940 --- Today's pick: CT

I still have time left, it seems, so...

EXTRAPOLATED RANKINGS FOR DIVISION 128

01. 50.00% - (2) Super Smash Bros. Melee [+1]
02. 49.73% - (16) Starcraft [+14]
03. 49.63% - (5) Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker [+2]
04. 49.56% - (1) Halo: Combat Evolved [-3]
05. 49.06% - (3) Final Fantasy 10 [-2]
06. 46.46% - (7) Grand Theft Auto: Vice City [+1]
07. 46.18% - (9) Kingdom Hearts [+2]
08. 45.62% - (8) Soul Calibur [0]
09. 44.45% - (4) Metroid Prime [-5]
10. 43.28% - (15) Metal Gear Solid 2 [+5]
11. 38.97% - (13) Half-Life [+2]
12. 36.87% - (10) Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic [+2]
13. 32.91% - (6) Final Fantasy Tactics Advance [-7]
14. 25.10% - (12) Skies of Arcadia [-2]
15. 25.04% - (14) Shenmue [-1]
16. 22.15% - (11) Fire Emblem [-5]

According to the rankings, the most underseeded game in the entire bracket is Starcraft (gimme a "duh"...), and the most overseeded one is FFTA. The seeds were really screwy in this division.

Of course, if you ask me, I don't think that's how the games really stack up, with Starcraft doing what it did. I think Prime should be above KH and Soul Calibur, and Halo should be below Prime and above these two. MGS2 is really hard for me to place in that mess, I know.
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 105/128 --- Matches: 51/60 --- Rank: 00512/40940 --- Today's pick: CT

Hey, hey, hey it is only 1,000 votes here. No need to jump to call this match just yet.
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Sevendust PWNED me with his superior prophet skills.

1300 now. I htink CT is doing well enough...

I'm 5 points short of the leaderboard, yay! Let's see what happens when I get the rest of the matches correct. :)
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And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow

I still find it interesting that Kefka could do so bad, yet FFVI does so well. Is Kefka that unpopular by FFVI's fans, or is the Final Fantasy name that powerful? Probably a bit of both. SFF affected Kefka for the worse against Crono, for one thing. On the other hand, Final Fantasy did extremely well against SMB3, when Final Fantasy just ISN'T that good...(not saying it's bad)

Oh, and another thought: are there far more Nintendo fanboys than Squaresoft fanboys? SFF seems to be a factor for Nintendo games far more, which could infer that. =P

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

You know what blows? Going out of town for a weekend without Internet access and being unable to see the rest of today's match or any of the last two.

Hopefully when I get back I won't see something messed like Melee > Mario3 in the finals. T_T

LordOfDabu
A legend beyond all ages.

I still find it interesting that Kefka could do so bad, yet FFVI does so well. Is Kefka that unpopular by FFVI's fans, or is the Final Fantasy name that powerful?

I blame the pictures. The casual voter wouldn't have recognized Kefka Palazzo in either of those pics. Heck, most Square fans wouldn't have recognized Lettuce Kefka. You put Locke or Shadow with a pic like that, and they wouldn't do as well as they could, either.

And a quick question for the guys (and girls (and Steve)) here: Do you know who started the "In or Out" topics before the SpC? If so, could you write it here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=14425002

I'd hate to have a topic with only one post that didn't fulfill at least the first goal of finding out who started it.
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Super Mario Bros. 3 48.32% 23725
Chrono Trigger 51.68% 25374
TOTAL VOTES 49099

And thus ends the Spring Contest for me, most likely. As I said, I'm moving tomorrow, and I'm going to work right about now, and when I come back the computer will be gone... and I probably won't have it for the weekend. When I come back though, I'll be sure to get caught up on everything, including the extrapolated rankings, which will pass before everything else.

And if I have to miss the entire nomination period, if any of you has any spots left, please nominate Frog and Ridley for me. Pwease?
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 105/128 --- Matches: 51/60 --- Rank: 00512/40940 --- Today's pick: CT

And a quick question for the guys (and girls (and Steve)) here

You listed me seperate? Aint I just special :)

Though I am curious as to why...
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Steve Illumina: Standing tall against fanboys for over 20 years

Oh, and another thought: are there far more Nintendo fanboys than Squaresoft fanboys? SFF seems to be a factor for Nintendo games far more, which could infer that.

I don't think so. It seems to me like the Nintendo food chain (Zelda>Mario>Metroid) is more defined than the Square foodchain (FFVII>all). Thus, SFF for Nintendo tends to fall right into the foodchain (only exception: SMB3). Plus, the only notable Square/Square matches have been FFVII/XG, which was pretty ugly, CT/SoM, which was very ugly, and FFTA/FFX which was inexplicable. So, even Square matches tend to be heavily influenced by SFF, although there does seem to be a bit more infighting than in the Nintendo camp (imagine a CT/FFVI battle).
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Chrono Trigger over Super Mario Bros. 3 (painfully)
Supporter of: LttP(out), CT, OoT(out), SMB3, MP(out)

I`m sort of hoping that Jeff says something about the layout change affecting vote totals and saying 'you know, my bad. We`ll split first place among both of you and give you each 7 free games'.

I won`t hold my breath. And by the way, I blame Slowflake if I don`t finish in first place =)
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
I would like to take this moment to politely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf

Well Ulti, even if you don't take the top prize you'll still prove how damn good you are. I'll be 11 points behind you and as it is I still have a chance to make the top 50. That's a pretty big range to be on the top of.
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ChichiriMuyo is officially the Discussion Guru Encyclopedia - UltimaterializerX
And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow

Well, Ulti, looks like you're gonna be bringing home a few free games at the end of this...

...just try not to get too confident for the Summer Contest. ^_^
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

This isn`t confidence, it`s luck. Donkey Kong, Metal Gear Solid, Kingdom Hearts, Starcraft, SSBM, and Chrono Trigger could have all lost well before I projected them too.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
I would like to take this moment to politely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf

On a somewhat related side note, did Kirin enter our Guru Contest? If not, we will be seeing multiple sig changes in two days.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
I would like to take this moment to politely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf

How are the Guru Standings? Anyone know? Or is Ngamer still busy?