which one is the better game is a matter of opinion..

Thank you, High Lord of the Obvious

Smiteelf = SSBM is the better game. Really, I do not think is even debatable.

Oh, but it is, it is.

But since everything is a debate on this board, I will conceed that you feel Starcraft is the best remaining game, and that is fine.

Wow, thanks.

The winner tomorrow will prove NOTHING as to which game is better; rather it will only prove which is more popular.

Looks like someone is running for President of the Obvious.
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Current Sp2K4 Score: 94/112, Next Winner: Final Fantasy VII

BTW, how are they dividing up the brackets for the summer contest? Are they doing North/South/East/West, by Company, 8/16/32&64/128 bit?

True dat creative; and 2*60*24 = 2,880, but who's counting =)

Looks like I did 2+60*24 by accident :) So, about 5 cheaters necessary. But 2 votes per minute is pushing it since dial-up can take a while. Plus they'd better have 1-800 connection numbers, else their phone bills will get quite high...
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Nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for the Summer 2004 Character Contest!
http://SC2k4.com/frog (click on the galleries)

I said this in another topic, but I guess I'll say it again. This match really reminds me of Cloud Vs. Link. FF7 just keeps gaining in small increments, it won't let go of the momentum.
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Man, I can't believe how much sway the bracket voters have in deciding today's match
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ChichiriMuyo is officially the Discussion Guru Encyclopedia - UltimaterializerX
And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow

Anyway, not to put too fine a point on it, this match shouldn't be surprising at all to anyone. This is what I thought before the contest started, and the idea of an all Zelda final four should have been disregarded as a joke. Sure, we deserved to see at least one make it, but they all faced such quality opponents that it's not surprising.
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ChichiriMuyo is officially the Discussion Guru Encyclopedia - UltimaterializerX
And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow

Also, when do the stats usually get updated? I really wanted to see how I stood over all. I know I'm doing better than 5%...

*note: that means I'm in the top 5%. Don't be a wise ass, yo.
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ChichiriMuyo is officially the Discussion Guru Encyclopedia - UltimaterializerX
And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow

this match shouldn't be surprising at all to anyone

It is when your expecting Ocarina of Time to win. >>
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To whoever said that my competition may not have picked SSBM, I don`t think that`s true. Unless Pepe and Kirin both picked Wind Waker to win the division, this contest may come down to the tiebreaker should we all go perfect the rest of the way.

And ten games would not take up my free time. I have plenty of games lying around that I haven`t touched yet, namely Xenosaga, Devil May Cry, Starfox Adventure, my new collection of Tanya`s old SNES games, my incoming Ebay purchases of SOTN and LTTP, Zelda: 4 Swords, Xenogears, Metroid Prime, the Wind Waker, the rest of FFX-2, Metal Gear Solid: Substance... all kinds of good stuff. I wouldn`t be going anywhere, believe me =)
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
I would like to take this moment to politely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf

I almost want Starcraft to beat SSBM, just to see it get completely PWNed by Final Fantasy VII.

Yeah, I really want Starcraft to win its next match and get killed against FFVII just to shut up the idiots (yes, that's right, I-D-I-O-T-S) who think Starcraft has even the smallest, infinitesimal chance of beating Final Fantasy VII.

I`d gladly like to join in on the deal of StarCraft getting royally owned by FFVII to silence its fans.

in a strange but probably predictable contrast, i'm suddenly rooting for starcraft to win it all.

...what?
i want to see the board explode.
...is that so wrong...?
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Well, I want SSBM to win the match, for obvious reasons.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
I would like to take this moment to politely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf

"It is when your expecting Ocarina of Time to win."

And I told people before the contest started that they shouldn't expect OoT to win.

"I`d gladly like to join in on the deal of StarCraft getting royally owned by FFVII to silence its fans."

Thinking this over... wouldn't it be even more funny if SC lost to SSBM? I mean, really... SSBM is in no way straonger than FF7, so losing to SSBM would be more humiliating.
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I don't want Starcraft humiliated, I just want its fans to be pwned by reality.
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Current Sp2K4 Score: 94/112, Next Winner: Final Fantasy VII

Oh, okay. Well, in that case... stop wishing ill luck upon Ulti. Really, we need SSBM to win that match. I need it to, and Ulti needs it to... so really, don't go around jynxing people.
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ChichiriMuyo is officially the Discussion Guru Encyclopedia - UltimaterializerX
And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow

Thinking this over... wouldn't it be even more funny if SC lost to SSBM? I mean, really... SSBM is in no way straonger than FF7, so losing to SSBM would be more humiliating.

Heh, good point. I`m rooting for SSBM anyway, so seeing StarCraft lose there would be better. ;)
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Sevendust PWNED me with his superior prophet skills.

SSBM is in no way straonger than FF7, so losing to SSBM would be more humiliating.

seeing ssbm beat starcraft with 51%, then lose to ff7 with 25% would have a diluted effect on starcraft's fans.
their spirits would be much more thoroughly crushed if they saw it demolished directly.

psychology is a funny thing, sometimes.
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then lose to ff7 with 25%

Unfortunately I have a feeling it would near 40% due to that spamming.
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Sevendust PWNED me with his superior prophet skills.

Here's the reality of this. I want Ulti to win, but no one has ever won one of these contests without a perfect final 4. For Ulti to have a perfect final four (and myself, as well) SSBM MUST win at all costs. If anyone can win while losing that many points... then this contest is by far less predictable than sc2k2. And by that I mean the best sp2k4 score will be lower than any of the top 10 sc2k2 scores by a couple of points. Is that even possible statistically?
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ChichiriMuyo is officially the Discussion Guru Encyclopedia - UltimaterializerX
And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow

And of course, it would be on a Saturday. If Starcraft wins tomorrow and gets a higher score than CT/SMB3 against FF7, effectively making it 3rd overall, then serious ethical questions will have to be asked. Not necessary for Starcraft to win the championship to do that.

Ulti: My stats are a free all-you-can-eat-buffet. Take what you want with you, they're not mine, a 5-year-old could figure these out. You'll find the most recent stuff on my Excel file, which I haven't found the time to update today. Hopefully tomorrow.

Speaking of which, I'm moving on Saturday, so I won't be on that day (hopefully I'll find a way to cast my vote and collect my karma anyway). So if anyone is interested in taking over my previews for the second semifinal and the finals, feel free to do so.

Heh, the BOP deciding the winner. If that's true, that would pwn hardcore. IIRC, Ulti was against me doing another one this summer because it would give too much info to the non-regs. How strangely ironic.
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 097/112 --- Matches: 50/58 --- Rank: 00301/40940 --- Today's pick: FF7

I was NOT against a BOP. I was against a BOP being tallied before the bracket lockdown.

And if you`re letting me use the standings, I need extrapolated results, as well as the formula for how you came up with them, the day after the contest. Preferably in the stats topic. Can you do that for me? ^_^
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
I would like to take this moment to politely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf

"a 5-year-old could figure these out."

Even if they are told the process before hand I don't think they could repeat the steps involved. Fractions and decimals are way beyond a 5 year old, and even then a 10 year old would still have to be told step by step what to do. It's not that easy to figure out, it's just easy to do.

And definitely do anyother one this summer, just try to keep as much of the data under wraps as possible. I'm sure if you asked in the topic to collect the data from people through aim or email you'd get half the info that way... and I believe you are both too prideful and too honest to use that info yourself. It'd be a fair deal that way.
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ChichiriMuyo is officially the Discussion Guru Encyclopedia - UltimaterializerX
And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow

Know what? That's a golden idea, going with e-mail and all, and keeping the tallies a secret before the bracket lockdown. Didn't think of that... only problem is, I'm not sure I'd get as many entries.

LOL @ the pride comment. I went against the BOP four times in the first 15 matches, and it cost me dearly. I'd go against it again sometimes.
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 097/112 --- Matches: 50/58 --- Rank: 00301/40940 --- Today's pick: FF7

just to be on record before the match starts - i am not buying into the Battle.Net hype. i think SSBM will build up a lead during the day that even Battle.Net will not be able to erase. i will say that 3500 lead with 6 hours left should be enough for SSBM to win.

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I don`t think battle.NET is going to be able to save StarCraft this time myself.
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Sevendust PWNED me with his superior prophet skills.

The idea is to give the option. Some can post in a topic, some can email/aim it to you. That way people like Ulti and myself who don't want that data to go to somebody who might be capable of winning with it can't get it. They'd, at best, have incomplete information. That infor would have more stuff like the guy who picked DDR to win it all... well, not more of it, but it would appear to be more prevalent. Basically if half the board sneds emails then the data will be so far off in some places that anyone who does take it for their own bracket will be screwed just a bit... plus it'll be funny to see their reaction the day after the brackets are locked when he says something about the brackets not adding up right :)
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ChichiriMuyo is officially the Discussion Guru Encyclopedia - UltimaterializerX
And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow

Know what? That's a golden idea, going with e-mail and all, and keeping the tallies a secret before the bracket lockdown. Didn't think of that... only problem is, I'm not sure I'd get as many entries.

I don't think it would work out as well. You definitely wouldn't get as many entries and that would take away most of the interest in it, IMO. It's not as if the BOP's bracket is a winning one, anyway. It has FFX in the final four, right? And Starcraft losing in the first round? Division 128 killed the BOP, just as any unpredictable section of the Summer bracket would do. I don't see it as being useful for winning, just for showing that the board elites generally pwn the other bracketeers, so I don't see why it can't be done on the board.
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Current Sp2K4 Score: 94/112, Next Winner: Final Fantasy VII

I like Chichiri's idea. Make it optional. Then you'll still get the same amount of brackets but the total results won't be available until after the brackets are closed. Everyone wins.
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Current Sp2K4 Score: 94/112, Next Winner: Final Fantasy VII

"i will say that 3500 lead with 6 hours left should be enough for SSBM to win."

If it can take a 3500 lead and hold it until 6 pm, I'll have great faith in SSBM. In fact, if it can take 3500 at any time in the day I will rest comfortably. Never has a lead that great been overcome. If it was ever going to happen it'd be Starcraft that does it, yes, but it's still highly unlikely.
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ChichiriMuyo is officially the Discussion Guru Encyclopedia - UltimaterializerX
And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow

I don`t think battle.NET is going to be able to save StarCraft this time myself.

*sigh* How many times does this make, now?
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Current Sp2K4 Score: 94/112, Next Winner: Final Fantasy VII

Heh, guess I wasn't clear when I proposed that. I meant for it to be implied that both options would be available. Either way, if Smitelf thinks I'm on to something I may be on to something! :)
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ChichiriMuyo is officially the Discussion Guru Encyclopedia - UltimaterializerX
And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow

Hey, I was just agreeing with him. And I can`t wait for the day that StarCraft goes down and battle.NET doesn`t pull through.
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Sevendust PWNED me with his superior prophet skills.

"*sigh* How many times does this make, now?"

Three
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And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow

Three

Where`s number 1?
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Sevendust PWNED me with his superior prophet skills.

People didn't think SC could beat Halo, KH, or WW... so in general I'm just saying 3 times now we've had to lsten to people imply that sc wasn't going to pull through... and it did.
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ChichiriMuyo is officially the Discussion Guru Encyclopedia - UltimaterializerX
And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow

Oh people, I thought you were talking about me in general. Nevermind then.
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Sevendust PWNED me with his superior prophet skills.

Well, it was pretty evenly split with Halo, and with KH after it bombed against Soul Calibur. It was a big underdog for the first time against WW, I'd say.
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Naw, ya big turd. If I was goign to point out such a number about you I wouldn't stop with just predictions of SC's demise... :)
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ChichiriMuyo is officially the Discussion Guru Encyclopedia - UltimaterializerX
And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow

If I was goign to point out such a number about you I wouldn't stop with just predictions of SC's demise... :)

This contest hasn`t been treating me well as of late, I know. =P
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Sevendust PWNED me with his superior prophet skills.

Actually, it was still a big underdog against Halo, the numbers would say. I think the only matches where it wasn't seen as the underdog by a wide margine were against KH and SSBM. Both games were both underestimated by a certain slowflake after their first round matches, too. Coinicidence? Most certainly. But anyway, against Halo it was an underdog. Most people thought it could win... but those same people were also often afraid to take the chance on a 16 seed against any 1 seed, even if it was only Halo. People were split in their own minds, but the brackets (aka, the final choices of those people who were split) favored Halo more.

I never considered Halo a legit 1 seed anyway... That spot should have been given to SSBM just for it having real competition... Let's hope SSBM performs as the 1 seed it should have been.

*note: That's not fanboyism... I don't even really like SSBM, but I do consider it to be the most deserving of the 1 seed, all things considered.
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ChichiriMuyo is officially the Discussion Guru Encyclopedia - UltimaterializerX
And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow

I wonder if today`s match will actually tell us how strong Wind Waker is.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
I would like to take this moment to politely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf

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I think at this point unless SSBM wins with something slightly convinsing (52%ish) then we won't be able to tell anytihng about it. I still don't believe that SSBM could lose to WW, and I won't believe anything in div 128 if the rankings say otherwise.
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ChichiriMuyo is officially the Discussion Guru Encyclopedia - UltimaterializerX
And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow

It looks like this poll won`t even match Chrono Trigger vs. A Link to the Past in the vote totals.
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Sevendust PWNED me with his superior prophet skills.

Starcraft out to an early 100 vote lead. It'll probably stabalize around 4-600 going into the mourning, where we'll see just how powerful SSBM is.

I wonder if today`s match will actually tell us how strong Wind Waker is.

I doubt it, unless SSBM gets something like 53% in this match (which it may, Starcraft isn't doing that great right now).

Even then there's still the Thursday/Saturday stuff to consider. In all likelihood though SSBM and Wind Waker arne't very far apart, not counting any SFF in an actual match between them. Though that's not saying much, as no games in this division are very far apart, except for Skies of Arcadia, Shenmue, FFTA and maybe Knights of the Old Republic.

Earlier I said that I highly doubted SSBM could take down Wind Waker, but now there's no way to tell who'd win that match (unless this match's results are clear-cut).

I'm still curious as to what would win between Wind Waker and Final Fantasy X, but I don't think we'll ever have anything overly convincing regarding that.
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Nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for the Summer 2004 Character Contest!
http://SC2k4.com/frog (click on the galleries)

Well, with about a 120 vote lead, I see Smash overrunning Starcraft around 3AM or so. To be honest, I don't think it'll get as much of a push as Zelda did against Starcraft, because Link for some reason always was able to turn a solid comeback during the daytime hours.

If SSBM can't break a 1500 lead by 18:00 it will be my opinion that Starcraft will be able to overrun it by the end of the match.

My cutoff point would be a 3,000 vote lead by 18:00. If SSBM can top that, Starcraft is beyond repair.


To answer an earlier point, I think Starcraft getting 3rd in the tournament is largely dependant on who wins friday's match. Should Chrono Trigger Prevail, Starcraft will likely get 3rd if it is able to overcome Ocarina's percentage (Which I see as a long shot anyhow, but that's not at issue.) Should SMB3 win, then it will be a decently close finals match, and CT will likely get the 3rd place nod.
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Starcraft managed a 51% split over Wind Waker early on, right? Well in this match, it`s clinging to a 52% split. If the past is any indication, it looks like SSBM will only be able to build a small lead before Starcraft`s night vote kills it.

This. Sucks. I was so close, too.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
I would like to take this moment to politely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf

The lead is down from 120 to 79.
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