Ah! The eyes, the fanboyism makes them burn! I must wash them with the blood of a dozen infants or be blinded by the fires of bias!

...good thing I keep the blood of a dozen infants in stock ;)

Lol. =P

Seriously, though, may I ask *why* you think LttP will beat CT? I really do want an answer.

Well, I`m not nearly as confident as you have seen me prior to today`s match but nonetheless I honestly see it nudging CT out. My reason? Well after today it may seem like CT is looking very good, but given Final Fantasy`s track record along with the fact that ALttP has almost reached that percentage where people were saying that it would make ALttP vs. CT completely even going into the match - 53% - and the fact it is just Zelda.

I think we can agree that Chrono Trigger is stronger than Final Fantasy VI, I`m not doubting that. What I am doubting is people saying that it is much stronger than FFVI. Given what we`ve seen prior with FFT almost ousting MGS, FF managing to keep SMB3 under 60% and of course FFVII I don`t see what reason there is to believe that CT is all that stronger. And given the way the match is playing out CT being a little stronger, like I think it is, is just enough to put ALttP and CT at an even level. And at that point it is obvious I`m not going to back down from my stance on ALttP for CT. =)

Also, with ALttP doing very good right now with the votes I`m getting more confidence than I was say... this morning. Sure, I`m definitely not going to say that ALttP has this match for sure but you`ll still hear me say I think it will win. ;)

I'd love to see it. I really would.

Heh.
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"being facetious, no offense intended"

Why would I be offended by you recognizing that I am more often not being facetious when I state my "opinions"

"I figured you would quote that"

Well duh!

"Again, duh."

Duh!

"almost impossible"

There is no almost when you're talking about impossible. There is only improbable.
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I have thought of something that might be anotehr weakness of the extrapolation technique. Now, I have nothing to back this up with, and it is rather trivial. But my hypothesis is that Chrono Trigger is less capable of blowouts than most other powerhouses.

This is because I think that Chrono Trigger isn't as universally known as the other powerhouses. While a good majority of GameFAQs visitors have heard of it, it doesn't have the name recognition that other big names do. So I think that because of this, it wouldn't do as well against jobbers as, say, a Final Fantasy or Zelda game. The minority of people who have never heard of it, wouldn't be as inclined to vote for it in the same proportion as the majority that have heard of it. I think it would thus underperform against weak opponents, compared to linear expectations.

Again, nothing to back this up with, it seems totally unimportant, and we'll never have any evidence for it. Just something I thought I'd throw out there.
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smitelf is a far better forecaster of this contest than I could ever hope to be.
I am in awe of her PWNage.

HM, I think I need to help you here. I'm almost forced to perform what is called an "intervention". You're sick, and you need to get help. There are places that can cure you of your sickness. We're here for you, we'll get you passed this blind, insane fanboyism... because we care.

I merely feel as if CT will not win, and I don`t quite see a problem there. I mean, hey your falling right into my footsteps by saying ALttP has no chance because I think I said the same thing about FFVI just last night. ;)

"The possibility could be dismissed out of hand."

"That contradicts itself"

Not if you assume Link would whoop Mario's ass without a sword, and I bet he could.

Lol.

Yeah, I was sorta hoping you'd catch on faster :),/I>

I think I just did, heh.l
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"But my hypothesis is that Chrono Trigger is less capable of blowouts than most other powerhouses."

Making it that much more like Mario... no wonder that poor bastard Crono always essentially ties with Mario.
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"I think I just did, heh."

Good, then play along why don't you.
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Ah, screw it. I don't want to get into this.
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I am in awe of her PWNage.

Someone needs a timeout. Dude chill out.
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"...good thing I keep the blood of a dozen infants in stock"

I'm sorry, I was thirsty and drank that blood. I replaced it with the blood of 13 hobos though.

Eh, that works fine. I only use infant blood because I like to; it’s not really necessary.
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You almost had me last time Steve, but this time I'm even more convinced... do not pass go, do not collect 28 points and kiss your bracket goodbye.

To second what was said in the quote, I said it once, and I'll say it again:

You were wrong

It's time to sing the "No Chance" song,
To remind you that, you had no chance all along,
Wanna prove to you that you were wrongggggggg....(that you were wronggggg...)

And I can see it in your eyes,
You can't admit it and then slowly you begin to cry,
You can't admit that you were wrongggggg...(that you were wronggggg....)

Do not make me tell you again,
If you need more understanding, go to school and ask a friend.
And he will tell you that, "You were wronggggg....(that you were wrongggg...")

Has today's events come to an end,
And has your ego begins to fall, and descend,
I will tell you that, you were wronggggggg...(That you were wronggggggg....)

I'm so sorry, Steve, that your bracket will be doomed after this...but that's how it goes. :-)

Yes, another Final Fantasy game is getting beaten! Muhaahahahahahahaahahaha!!!!

I still believe in an all-Zelda Final Four!! GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ZELDA!!!!!!!

*ahem*

I've noticed while reading this whole topic that people in this topic are pissed to no end about what fanboys are saying, like, "LTTP the rule, it rule all!". Guys...just get over the fact..that Zelda...rules..ok?

Listen, just because LTTP is losing so much [.......] percentage to FF6, does not mean it stands no chance against CT. You like to whine and say "[....] them LTTP fanboys, so blind and stupid..". Did you forget about the FF fanboys? THERE ARE A LOT OF THEM!!! Not even FFX could double FFTA, the weakest game in the FF series, as far as I've heard. LTTP fanboys have every right to still support their favorite game. You wanna whine about one fanboy base, then not consider the other, right? Pfft..whatever. I'm hearing CT doesn't have that same support as well, so LTTP still has a chance.

Your mind is clearly twisted, so of course you'd think that. And your opinion sucks.

You are the guy that actually likes the corpse-puppets that Sonic and crew have turned into, though, so this should all come as no surprise.'

.....*ahem*...WHO CARES?! Sonic 2 faced a Mario game and lost. Sonic faced Sephiroth in 2k2 and Cloud in 2k3, both FF characters, and lost. So what if he likes it? Don't diss people on things that others couldn't give a crap about. You're starting to become the annoying user that people claim I am. -______-



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Hmmm, does anyone's view on SMB3 vs Chrono Trigger change after this match? I doubt it can mean anything, but Mario did put up 60% against a FF, and LttP is only putting up around 52.4% on a Final Fantasy. Now, of course FFVI is much stronger than FF, but the view also seemed to be that LttP was stronger than SMB3, so does anyone think SBM3 chances of beating Chrono have changed at all?
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Hmm... the polls that everyone is referring to when talking of FF6, Lttp, FF7, and OoT are these, correct?

(11-20-03, Final Fantasy) http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1443

(4-12-03, Zelda) http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1225

Seven month difference, hmm. I do have a few things to say about the Zelda poll. The date is only several weeks after Wind Waker was released, so it's certainly possible some votes were leeched from OoT due to people excited with the new Zelda game (at the time, Wind Waker.)

Now, I think that both the time difference (7 months) and SFF make using these polls utterly useless, save for when two Zelda's or FF's meet.

Also, the new zelda announced will help Ocarina of Time the most, because it is most similar to that game (horse-riding, huge overworld, adult link, etc. etc.) That is why Link to the Past can't be expected to gain from the upcoming Zelda release; it's a very different game from the new Zelda.
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FastFalcon, 16bit division winner will go on to the finals, there is very little chance for SMB3. I thought this was the consensus since the beginning?
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You're starting to become the annoying user that people claim I am. -______-

No one needs to claim it. You prove it on your own daily.

Hmmm, does anyone's view on SMB3 vs Chrono Trigger change after this match? I doubt it can mean anything, but Mario did put up 60% against a FF, and LttP is only putting up around 52.4% on a Final Fantasy. Now, of course FFVI is much stronger than FF, but the view also seemed to be that LttP was stronger than SMB3, so does anyone think SBM3 chances of beating Chrono have changed at all?

I don’t think this says anything about CT vs. SMB3, aside from it being more likely that such a match will occur in the minds of many posters.
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No Irradin, any pro-Zelda comments are prohibited here, or you shall be labeled a fanboy.
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"Cloud was expected to beat Link via extrapolation."

bull****. Until after 2k3 started there was only one mathmatical possibility, Link wins again. It didn't happen, and nobody though it could happen until the contest was underway.

"Just when I was starting to think you were OK, you act like a jack*** again?"

Yeah, it's one of those days. I am an okay guy, but I like to take things to the extreme. It's not impossible for Crono to win. It's exceedingly improbable. Really, would you take me seriously if I told you that the SC2k4 finals would have Luigi losing to Alucard by a slim margin? I say things, don't take them all seriously. The only point here is this; the extrapolated standings can't account for everything. They said Cloud couldn't beat Link, but he did. They never once said Link could be defeated UNTIL 2k3 was well underway. Obviously that's too late for our brackets, isn't it?

"Thinking Crono would've had any shot against Link the past two years is totally asinine"

Thinking Cloud had any shot at Link before 2k3 started was asinine.

"and not a statement worthy of even the slightest bit of respect."

and picking Cloud to win it all is still called dumb fanboy luck.

So then, what's your point? That people who make asinine choices can win the contest and still get treated like they know nothing because they just got lucky? If that's your point, you've done a great job of making it.

"Good lord, what is the matter with you?"

You're just too easy for me to resist ****ing with right now.

"You never even did apologize to Ngamer for the **** that you pulled on him, did you?"

Which ****? I don't even remember pulling any on him, so it must not have been important.

"It's people like you that caused Jjukil to leave these topics, which are supposed to be free of the crap that goes on at these boards"

I had nothing to do with Jjukil, he was gone before I got into this topic, and if anyone left over anything I said then I can't feel sorry for them. If you take what I say too seriously it's your own problem. Most others know it means nothing. If anything HM should be the one crying like a little girl because of what I said, but obviously he is not. Ulti could hold a very severe grudge against me. He does not. Shake could as well. He does not. Slowflake has taken more flak from me than you probably ever will. It doens't faze him. I say things more strongly than I mean them most of the time. Why? Because some people say some of the most aggrivating things like "the extrapolated results are almost completely correct" when they forget to mention "...but when they are off it's going to cost you the entire contest". You wanna talk about math, fine. It's flawed, and no matter what you say to the contrary I know that before 2k3 started you had no math at all that said Cloud could even win. You know what that means? The math is useless unless the contest followes expected trends EXACTLY.

Go cry elsewhere, today is not a day in which I can be bothered to care.
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And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow

I'd also like to add that there is a 40,000 vote total difference between both polls of "what is your favorite (Zelda / FF) game?" That further invalidates it, in my opinion.
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OoT and M64 have nothing to do with SMW and LttP. and if you can't see SFF when its right up in your face you don't get to have your opinions listened to because they are wrong.

...i have been pointing out cases of sff for a while now.
if i had forgotten about it when i made that statement, i would have predicted that lttp would score 60% against chrono trigger.

oot and m64 simply made it clear which series nintendo fans favor more strongly.
therefore, i believe that when chrono trigger faces lttp, fewer nintendo fans will be persuaded to vote for it than when it faced mario world.
certainly fewer rpg fans will be persuaded to vote for it.

if this does not happen, it would contradict all logic.
...or at least my logic.
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Yeah, I know the reasoning was faulty beyond belief, but I don't think its out of reason for SMB3 to pull the win. Chrono won with what, around 58%? It seems people think SMB3 is Mario's best game, so I think it does have a chance.
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SMB3 is Mario`s strongest/best game but the 16-bit division is really looking fierce right now.
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Mario 3... as little sense as it make to me personally, could actually be as strong/strogner than lttp. I still have reseveations about actually assuming it will get past LoZ though, like I always have. It's going to be a real nail biter, and I honestly can't begin to even lean to one side or the other as far as which 8bit game I think will win. I think Zelda is the bestter game, but I don't begin to presume that I know how the match will go.
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No Irradin, any pro-Zelda comments are prohibited here, or you shall be labeled a fanboy.

Huh? When did this happen? Must be recent because I heard anyone who thought FFVI would win being laughed at yesterday. It's just a bit of ribbing. As soon as I start extolling FFX's virtues in this topic I'll get labeled a fangirl, too. It's all in good fun.
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It would seem to benefit ALttP greatly the SFF area against SMB3. In fact, it is one of the few reasons I didn`t believe SMB3 would get to the finals. I think SMB3 could beat CT/ALttP but if its the latter it just doesn`t seem likely due to the Zelda over Mario deal.
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Lol. Guys, don`t take things Chichiri says as personal insults. If you break them down and look at the pure message, he says many things that we all agree with. He just likes to be extreme to have his fun. Easy to deal with, really.

And no, I have no grudges =)

Oh, and Becky. Who is Kyle Bowen?
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Then again by saying that I could almost be saying that LoZ would beat SMB3 for the same reason. I still want to see SMB3 in the Final Four, both LoZ and SMB3 are great games, but one of them is my favorite game of all-time and the other misses out by a few spots.

Though I`m not going to call the match either right now. Surprising eh? ;P
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Mario > his games; at least thats how I see it so far.
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"No Irradin, any pro-Zelda comments are prohibited here, or you shall be labeled a fanboy."

I think Zelda's the best damn video gaming series ever (minus the 3d ones). Hmm, nothing happened. Oh wiat, that's because I'm one of the ones you're accusing of being an anti-Zelda fan, right? Well it's horse****. All I do want is for this "Zelda r teh bset" and "Zelda aer teh winnar!" **** to stop. Period. You can like Zelda, you can say you want it to win match X, you can even say you still have faith that it can beat CT.... but if you're going to sit there and say that it's the favorite I'm going to come down on your ass so hard because I'm so ****ing tired of hearing it when there is no evidence to prove t.
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And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow

Oh, and Becky. Who is Kyle Bowen?

Don't play games with me! You *know* who he is...just look up a topic called "smitself" in the search and see what I mean.
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"but if its the latter it just doesn`t seem likely due to the Zelda over Mario deal."

I know, that's why I can't even pick a winner for the 8bit division finals right now. It's beyond my ability to believe anyone can pick a clear winner wihtout bias or... to put it bluntly... not knowing what they are talking about.
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And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow

I think Zelda's the best damn video gaming series ever (minus the 3d ones).

Now I get it. You're actually an anti-3D fanboy.
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"but one of them is my favorite game of all-time and the other misses out by a few spots. "

See, now, one of them is my favorite game of all time as well. Mine just doesn't coincide with yours.
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"You're actually an anti-3D fanboy."

Haven't you tried pulling that before? It's simply not the case. You know why? Mario 64 is my favorite Mario game.
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See, now, one of them is my favorite game of all time as well. Mine just doesn't coincide with yours.

Fair enough.
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Every rule has an exception. ^^
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See Slang. I just admited to being a huge Zelda fanboy, Where are the gustapo? I'm not being led off in handcuffs. I'm not even being called a Zelda fanboy... I don't get it, I thought you said it was prohibited. Prohibited, to me, means banned. And if I do somehting that's banned I'm supposed to be punished. But all is well. I'm a big fan of Zelda, and nominated no less than two games from the series to be in this contest (probably more, but I can't remmeber) and everyhting is cool. Why? Because I state it as personal opinion that I like the game as opposed to stating it as a fact that LttP is favored to win over CT.
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Too bad you read that before I could delete it. I have no desire to get into any sort of flame wars, they leave me with an awful taste in my mouth.

bull****. Until after 2k3 started there was only one mathmatical possibility, Link wins again. It didn't happen, and nobody though it could happen until the contest was underway

The greatest single source of volatility is year-over-year volatility. There can be huge jumps or declines in year-over-year popularity. This much is very evident.

To say that Crono could've beat Link either of those years, or even come close, is absurd. Plain and simple.

In the future, it is not impossible. I could certainly see Crono being a major powerhouse in the future, if he was in some new game. Or on the teeny chance that if Chrono Trigger wins this, the fanbase at the site will expand. (the teeny chance referring to this actually having an affect, rather than to Chrono Trigger's chances of victory--which I also think are very small)

Thinking Cloud had any shot at Link before 2k3 started was asinine.

I stated to my brother before the contest that if you actually wanted to win the contest or finish high, Link was a poor choice. The same reason I stated that Final Fantasy VII was a poor choice for champion for this contest if you wanted to finish in the top 10.

I told him a guy like Sephiroth was a good choice for champion. I knew year-over-year volatility could be high. I never suspected Cloud could beat Link, but he was in the group of characters for whom it was not utterly unimaginable, along with Mario, Samus, Snake, Sonic, Crono, etc. (even Magus)

wanna talk about math, fine. It's flawed, and no matter what you say to the contrary I know that before 2k3 started you had no math at all that said Cloud could even win.

No math discounted it, since we had nothing to see what the year-over-year volatility could be. Distributions of expectations have two parameters, mean and variance (ignoring higher order parameters such as skewness). No estimates for model variance were possible until we saw the 2nd year result.

The model could've been completely useless until we saw the 2nd year result. I myself dismissed it outright after Jill vs. Squall. In the end, that clearly turned out to be a big mistake.

We know pretty well the level of confidence the model calls for, now. We didn't before.

You know what that means? The math is useless unless the contest followes expected trends EXACTLY.

I hope you appreciate the total lack of logic in this statement.

Go cry elsewhere, today is not a day in which I can be bothered to care

Whatever. </Squall'D>
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I am in awe of her PWNage.

Chichiri, I wasn't trying to single you out.
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There was NOBODY claiming LttP was the favorite today, NO ONE. Few of us happen to think LttP will win a close match next round. Now, be kind enough to point out where your problem is again?
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I also think Mario Kart 64 was better than the original. That's nearly blasphemy to some people, and as an "anti 3-d fanboy" I could never think such a thing. But I do. I'm a "this game wasn't done as well in 3d as it was in 2d and I don't think I should have to put up with this bs" fanboy. If the game doesn't feel as good or better to me in 3d then I will have no hessitation about blasting it to hell and back after giving it a nice 9 out of 10 personal review. LoZ and LttP are 10s in my book, OoT being a 9 in my book is justificaion for me slamming it repeatedly simply because it isn't as good, to me, as it's predecessors. The 2d sonics probably easily get 9's from me, the 3d sonics would probably get 7s. I wont hesitate to trash anything that drops that badly even it I do consider it to be above average.
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He wasn`t so much talking about the people in here as much as he was talking about the people on the board I think. I saw a few of them myself saying that ALttP was still a favorite, which is downright wrong. So I don`t think it was directed toward anyone in here, I might be wrong though.

Oh and admitting your a fanboy is so much easier, I`ve done so on many occasions, heh.
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Oooh I`m all about the original Super Mario Kart over the other three.
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Chichiri, your throwing out *ideas* like Crono > Link and LttP > OoT. No, you didn't say that was the case, but what the hell is the point of speech if everything has to fall somewhere in between "guaranteed" and "impossible"? Again, I haven't seen any post claiming LttP is the favorite against CT today, NONE.
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Oooh I`m all about the original Super Mario Kart over the other three.

Absolutely. All other versions pale in comparison. It is my favorite SNES game.
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I wonder if I've just become a Nintendo fanboy. Afterall, I DO feel strong about 4 Zelda matches next round.
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ALttP > OoT wasn`t a bad comment, I know I harped on it for the longest time. I was hoping it would be that way too or at least equal but it more than likely will turn out to be OoT greater than ALttP.
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Well, the fact is that I enjoy both 2D and 3D games. I don't really try to compare them. To tell the truth, Sonic in 2D is getting boring. Not matter how good it is/was, it's always more of the same. Having games that are not only in 3D (something new in the series) and which use such different gameplay mechanics from game to game gives enough novelty to overlook the flaws and enjoy the ride.

This is about Sonic. Zelda is another matter entirely. Zelda doesn't get boring. Actually I wouldn't mind getting 2D Zelda games one after another. But the truth is, 3D Zelda aren't flawed, and they are imo just as good as the 2D ones. So having both gives a bit of diversity in the series that prevents it even more from getting boring.
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"The greatest single source of volatility is year-over-year volatility. There can be huge jumps or declines in year-over-year popularity. This much is very evident."

That's the idea, anything is still possible and you need to stop indirectly calling me an idot for thinking Crono might be able to win. You stop doing that and I'll stop attacking you.

"To say that Crono could've beat Link either of those years, or even come close, is absurd."

He'd have come a lot close than Mario, that's for damn sure. Besides, the one of teh few times I directly stated that Crono should have won I also said that timetravelers prevented me from winning so I couldn't spread world peace. Get a damn clue, man, I'm ****ing around.

" could certainly see Crono being a major powerhouse in the future"

Compare to 90% of the competition he IS a powerhouse. So far only 3 characters have been shown to actually be out of reach for him, and he never faced any of them directly. I won't say he would have won against any of them, but I'd bet anything he'd do better against at least one of them, if not all 3.

"I stated to my brother..."

That's game theory, good sir, and not a prediction of "the math says Cloud is going to win". Yes, if Link did win it all you'd probably still lose because you had to compete with 17,000 other people that had the same winner. I fyou can't win it all with the safe bet then there is no reason to NOT take a risky one. That still doesn't mean that people were considered dumb, lucky fanboys (and I'll tell you now I've never believe the "dumb fanboy luck" bs) for getting it right, and it certainly doesn't doesn't mean the math said it would be so.

"since we had nothing to see what the year-over-year volatility could be."

That's the point. We can't even get an accurate grasp on year to year volatility yet. If the contest goes on for 20 more years then we can talk about predicting volatility and have it actually mean anything. We don't even know for sure If 100% of Cloud's change is from KH. I don't tihnk it is. I think most is, without a doubt, but I'm open to the idea that there was more to it than that.

"We know pretty well the level of confidence the model calls for, now."

It'll be accurate 90% of the time, easily, but that other 10% is the most important. Just don't rely on it too much, really, especially if you are going to say the word "impossibe" around me and that's your only back up.

"I hope you appreciate the total lack of logic in this statement."

You're a little slower to catch on than I hoped. I overexaggerated the point to show that the math we have is only good if you want to be in the top couple hundered, and it does nothing if you want to be in the top 10 when its all said and done. You can't win with the extrapolated ratings alone, and that's what we all want... to win.


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