Slow does that in every single preview match, and he is correct on the matter. LttP is easily more equal to OoT, in polls and in this contest, than FFVI is to FFVII furthermore we all know how Kefka did in comparison to Link. I don`t see how he has a lack of knowledge on the matter. And again he does the summer contest bit in every single preview match.
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Becky makes a great point:

I declare Chrono Trigger the winner of this division!

I declare Link to the Past the winner of this division!

No, Chrono Trigger will win the division!

Damn all you ****ing n00bs, Link to the Past will win this division!

What`s this? Chrono Trigger has made itself out to be the favorite!

IDIOTS! Link to the Past beat the holy hell out of Super Metroid! SUPER METROID! The game that was named "The Greatest Game of All Time"! Surely, Link to the Past will win this division!

You people and all your goddamned bandwagon jumping. Final Fantasy 6 can even beat Link to the Past. How could Chrono Trigger possibly lose?

...and so on and so on and so on. Personally, I have no idea what will happen the rest of this division. The whole damned thing makes no sense, and for all I know, Final Fantasy 6 could make the finals. I`m rooting for CT over LTTP for my bracket of course, but to be honest, the three big hitters in this division all have an equal chance.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
I would like to take this moment to politely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf

This match definitely had a lot less "bandwagon" jumping to be honest. We`ve seen it before, but I haven`t seen anyone who said ALttP would win the division before say that CT would win it now.
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That pertained to this topic, as the board jumped bandwagons like no tomorrow.
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So, does anyone think Melee can beat FFX? Even though I have melee in my bracket, I kinda don't think its going to win, because I don't see Final Fantasy X being worse than Vice City. I would love for Melee to win, but I don't think its too likely.
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Its possible but like you said I also believe it`s unlikely.
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Chrono Trigger is my favorite for this division
and I think it can beat Mario Bros 3
but it will lose to FF7 in the finals

at least, that is what I am hoping...


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I have SSBM in the Final Four. With the insanely low prediction percentage for the game, I would love to see it win. It know for a fact that a good number of the people near me on the leaderboard have FFX winning the match and/or SSBM no where near the Final Four.

And yes, SSBM can win. It may have to do it by less than 1000 votes, but it can win.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
I would like to take this moment to politely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf

I think any game in Division 128 has a shot within the boundaries of sanity at this point -- yes, even Starcraft, though it is by far the least likely to succeed.
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Current Sp2K4 Score: 67/72, Next Winner: Chrono Trigger

you know, i may not be catching every post in the topic...
but the only people that seem to be giving ff6 no chance are heroic mario and slowflake.
...and both of them are painfully biased zelda fanboys.

i was feeling fairly downtrodden about tonight's match before i realized this.
now i'm looking forward to it all over again...
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I declare Chrono Trigger the winner of this division!

I declare Link to the Past the winner of this division!

No, Chrono Trigger will win the division!

There hasn't been any bandwagon jumping, actually.

Early, Chrono Trigger was the heavy favorite. After the contest started A Link to the Past steadily claimed that mantle, its most significant stride made after whomping on Super Metroid. Most here did question how much that really meant, due to the nature of the match, but still concluded that it was a breathtaking performance no matter what. Which is quite logical.

Chrono Trigger's stock has risen, but I don't see too many people with changed opinions--those who expect Chrono Trigger to win, have been saying so from the start, and those who considered ALttP the heavy favorite still consider it the favorite.

I consider A Link to the Past a slight favorite. However there are a number of issues that not only make this match tough, but the Final Fantasy VII vs. Ocarina of Time match almost impossible to call.

We've seen the power of the Final Fantasy name. It got 40% on SMB3. So, Final Fantasy VII would probably defeat SMB3 easily. Ocarina of Time would do likewise, but not by nearly as much as it beat Mario 64, even if there were SFF (and SFF might be less present anyway with SMB3, because OoT and M64 were both on the N64). Just throwing out some numbers, a conservative non-SFF estimate for Mario 64 against OoT would be OoT winning with 65%. Maybe it could beat SMB3 with 62%, excluding SFF. I could see Final Fantasy doing the same however. There is also the question of Fallout 2 perhaps being much stronger than Suikoden II because it is a PC game. Ocarina of Time vs. Final Fantasy VII might not even be that close a match, but at this point is too difficult too forecast.

As for Chrono Trigger vs. A Link to the Past, ALttP would do worse against SMW than OoT did against Mario 64. Saying that OoT would get 65% if not for SFF against Mario 64 means that Chrono Trigger vs. A Link to the Past is very much up in the air, since Chrono Trigger will likely finish with 58%-59%. Since SFF is so hard to pin down, and the relative strengths of ALttP and OoT is also unclear (not to mention we can't be sure that SMW=Mario 64), one cannot predict a winner in Chrono Trigger vs. A Link to the Past with too much confidence.

This also applies to Final Fantasy VI vs. A Link to the Past, of course. While I'd be quite surprised if Final Fantasy VI won, we've seen quite clearly the power of the Final Fantasy name--even against other Final Fantasy games. Final Fantasy, Final Fantasy: Tactics, and FFTA have all done well, despite not being among the more famous games in the series. Final Fantasy VI is one of the three strongest games in the series. Zelda has PWNed everything, but add the Final Fantasy name to a strong fanbase of its own, and you have a formidable foe.

I said in an earlier topic that I couldn't see Final Fantasy VI getting less than 45% in this match, but entered a prediction of 57% in the Oracle challenge because I didn't want to risk being too different from everybody else. I'm thinking that people's picks will be reduced after this match however, so I changed it to 54.5%, which I consider more reasonable. If A Link to the Past does get close to 60% on Final Fantasy VI, it should become the clear favorite again.
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smitelf is a far better forecaster of this contest than I could ever hope to be.
I am in awe of her PWNage.

I also don't beleive FF3/6 has a chance. To believe that would mean believing Lttp has no chance at beating CT. I don't believe that either. FF3/6 is an awesome game, but it's going down tommorow.
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Oh, and let me add that tomorrow's match may very well be the most important match of the contest so far, in terms of giving insight into who the winner of the contest will be.

Most of us would agree that there is a significantly larger difference between Final Fantasy VII and Final Fantasy VI than there is between Ocarina of Time and A Link to the Past. This is the main reason why I do not think Final Fantasy VI can actually defeat A Link to the Past--that would seem to imply that Final Fantasy VII would easily dismiss Ocarina of Time, which doesn't match up with what we know so far.

If A Link to the Past fails to break 53%, I believe Final Fantasy VII would have to become the clear favorite to win it all. If it gets 60% or more, then Ocarina of Time would probably become the clear favorite.

In actuality, I expect us to be little wiser after this match--the results will likely be inconclusive, leaving Final Fantasy VII vs. Ocarina of Time up for debate. The possibility of a key result is there, though.

And let me take this opportunity to once again whine about the new layout. This match is Zelda vs. Final Fantasy: the contest at its finest. I'm guessing that this would have been the highest vote-getting match of the contest so far, passing Starcraft vs. Halo and probably getting well over 110,000 votes. Instead, it likely won't even come close to 80,000.
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smitelf is a far better forecaster of this contest than I could ever hope to be.
I am in awe of her PWNage.

Instead, it likely won't even come close to 80,000.

I know. I hate that too. =(
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People are giving LttP too much credit it's almost like this match won't be close at all. You people have to give FFVI a chance here sure it may not win, but it will get pretty close or it may surprise you people and win after all seriously if you look at Gunmage's Spread Betting...

Link to the Past > 62.5%
Final Fantasy III/VI > 37.5%

there is no way LttP will get above 60% if it does then you may as well say that there is a 100% chance that there will be an all Zelda Final Four
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My Score 65/72 CT vs. SMW

i've been with FF6 since the start of this contest and i'm still standing behind it. i will admit that this match could go either way, but Chrono's performance today, along with FF1's performance against SMB3, has bolstered my confidence. Square, specifically Final Fantasy has always been strong here. either way, i can't wait for tonight's match. =)

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cyko's 256 Game Contest: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=14222671

there is no way LttP will get above 60%

It might not get above 60% but I`m eyeing right around that area. 59-60%.


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i predict FF6 vs. LTTP will be very close, within a percent or two.

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I also don't beleive FF3/6 has a chance. To believe that would mean believing Lttp has no chance at beating CT. I don't believe that either. FF3/6 is an awesome game, but it's going down tommorow.

Hearing you say that makes me feel better. Then again, you`re just defending your bracket, Mr. 'LTTP vs OOT in the finals' =)
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
I would like to take this moment to politely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf

I agree with cyko.
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Current Sp2K4 Score: 67/72, Next Winner: Chrono Trigger

I`ve honestly never seen FFVI as that much of a threat. If it does manage to keep it that close I will be the first one here to be in a world of shock. <<
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I don't think any outcome of tomorrow's match could truly shock me aside from a win of 61% or greater.
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Current Sp2K4 Score: 67/72, Next Winner: Chrono Trigger

This could prove to be pointless, but should SSBM beat FFX, can it take down WindWaker? I think if it can beat FFX, and MP could get 55%, SSBM has a pretty good shot at that battle, too.
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Silly Rabbit...Trix are for....kids.
Revenge is a dish best served cold.-Old Klingon Proverb

This of course, is assuming that Wind Waker does in fact beat Starcraft right?

I don`t think the Wind Waker would stand any chance in hell of beating SSBM, to be honest. It would be a close matchup no doubt, but we discussed this while ago. People, even to this very day, play SSBM in religious fashion and have sold their copies of Wind Waker and Metroid Prime. SSBM is the Gamecube mascot, much like FF7 is the PSX mascot. I think SSBM takes the division if it gets past FFX. Which is no guarantee, but it was the most logical risk to take in this contest.

Besides, the thought of either FFX or Wind Waker representing the modern era of gaming is naueating.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
I would like to take this moment to politely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf

Son of a *****....

NAUSEATING.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
I would like to take this moment to politely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf

I don't remember the source, but it stated that FFVI sold 889,000 copies in the US (or maybe North America). Also, since when has FFVI been a "Player's Choice" title, anyway? I -think- all SNES million sellers become one... That means Zelda: LttP has almost certainly sold better across the world. Besides, the voters are mostly American anyway, so Zelda clearly has the advantage in that department.

I guess I'm a little surprised at how CT's doing, but not like other matches. Ooh, Street Fighter II would beat Sonic 2, apparently. Even Secret of Mana should take off 40% from Sonic the Hedgehog 2, heh.

Let's see...if CT = FF6, then LttP would need to receive 59% at most on SMW (if the match happened) to be beaten by CT next round. I would expect LttP to win by more than that. I also believe that CT > FF6. Double whammy against FFVI for tomorrow. :[ Well, I hope you're right about FFVI winning, smitelf. It's my favorite game ever.


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I disagree, UltimaterializerX. I think that, on this site, Zelda would win in a direct match with SSBM. It was last year's game of the year, as well. Regardless, I still believe that FFX will beat SSBM, although it'll probably be close.

On almost any other site, Metroid Prime would've beaten Wind Waker. But on Gamefaqs, anything that is Zelda is incredibly difficult to beat. The same can be said of Final Fantasy. Which is why SSBM will most likely lose this round.
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Current Score: 68/72 Ranked: 35th
Today's Pick: CT over SMW

I think that, on this site, Zelda would win in a direct match with SSBM.

How do you know that? Personally, I think FFX vs SSBM will go exactly the way of Ganondorf vs Tidus last year.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
I would like to take this moment to politely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf

I highly doubt SSBM would beat Wind Waker.
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smitelf is a far better forecaster of this contest than I could ever hope to be.
I am in awe of her PWNage.

How do you know that? Personally, I think FFX vs SSBM will go exactly the way of Ganondorf vs Tidus last year.

That would thrill me Ulti.
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I`d also doubt SSBM being able to beat WW. I`d like to see SSBM win just due to how much I`ve played that game and even the money I`ve won from it, heh, but yeah I doubt it could win.
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And why can`t it win, may I ask?
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
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Division 128 is up for grabs. As someone said earlier, any of the final four games remaining in the division have a chance to win.

I said doubt, didn`t say it couldn`t win but I wouldn`t expect it to against Zelda - even if it is Wind Waker.
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And if it did that would make Vice City on the level of FFX and WW.
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TAG'D
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I also don't think that SSBM can beat Wind Waker. While there is some hate towards the cel shading, and it's certainly one of the weaker Zeldas, keep in mind that it's still Zelda, it was the Game of the Year 2003, and most importantly, it's still a damn good game. Then of course there's the issue of SFF. Anti-Nintendites might be more inclined to vote for WW since it's the "lesser of two evils," i.e. it's only one hated icon, not two dozen. The Nintendo vote will also be split, because many GameCube owners have both games.
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Contest status: 73/76 points through Chrono Trigger vs. Super Mario World.

I don't think SSBM will win, myself, but anything is possible in that insane division.
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Current Sp2K4 Score: 67/72, Next Winner: Chrono Trigger

I wouldn`t be so fast to discredit Vice City`s chances of being close to FFX and the Wind Waker in strength. It came damned close to taking down Metroid Prime in the 2003 GotY poll, so I`d assume it to be roughly equal to Metroid Prime. Melee beat Vice City by 4800 votes, so Melee is obviously stronger than Vice City.

Are FFX and Wind Waker 4800 votes stronger than Vice City? We shall see.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
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Are FFX and Wind Waker 4800 votes stronger than Vice City?

I would imagine that plus some.
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" I was almost convinced I`d be seeing everyone taking CT as the one in the finals after today."

No, the CT fans are obviously more level headed than the people being blinded by Zelda. I especially am not going to run around saying lkike the because no matter how much of a **** I can be I'm not an all-out hypocrite. CT with 60/40 over SMW is no more meaningful than LttP trippling SM. Neither has anything to do with CT vs. LttP. Obviously all of you that were blindsided by Nintendo can't even figure out the meaning of SM, so I'm certainly not going to believe you if you tell me you can figure out the meaning of CT vs. SMW. We are, after all, talking about Mario's 3rd best game out of dozens. If that isn't as close to a Mario proxy as you can get then you simply can't use proxies I say. Which means SM isn't a Samus proxy and LttP isn't a Link proxy. If you can't use proxies you have no data to back your wild theories up with. If you can't back it up bottle it up until something actually happens.

"So, does anyone think Melee can beat FFX?"

I do, and I just can't imagine Melee losing to WW if it goes through FFX.

"but the only people that seem to be giving ff6 no chance are heroic mario and slowflake."

Personally I'm trying to convert Slowflake back to the realm of the more level-headed analysts. HM is always going to be a Nintendo fan so there's nothing to convert him back to, but I've known Slowflake to look at things in complete objectivity once or twice.

"If A Link to the Past does get close to 60% on Final Fantasy VI, it should become the clear favorite again."

Don't encourage them, goddamit, because I'll tell you what, even without SFF I'd expect CT to take 60% on FF6, maybe more.

"Oh, and let me add that tomorrow's match may very well be the most important match of the contest so far,"

If I could go back in time to stop you I would. I'd like for you to not add that, okay. Without SFF a FF6 vs. FF7 may see FF7 do as much as trippling FF6. But, then again, without SFF it could be 55/45 for all we know. We've never seen it and never will see it, and because of that we can't tell anything about FF7 vs. OoT from FF6 vs. LttP unless LttP loses OR get's 75%+ of the votes.

"I`ve honestly never seen FFVI as that much of a threat."

What's your point? You probably don't even see FF7 as much of a threat...

"This could prove to be pointless, but should SSBM beat FFX, can it take down WindWaker?" It doesn't make sense to lose to WW after beating FFX... in fact, under no circumstance does it make sense for SSBM to lose to WW. One game has the full support of its system's fans, the other is WW. In a SFF match I think that's the only Zelda that doesn't have a big advantage over its contemporaries. Oh wait, it face Prime and showed that it in fact does not. And SSBM is all things Nintendo, this is the one time I can really see the Nintendites turning on the Zelda series for another company rep.

"Besides, the thought of either FFX or Wind Waker representing the modern era of gaming is naueating."

Preach on brother!

"Even Secret of Mana should take off 40% from Sonic the Hedgehog 2, heh."

*cough* SFF *cough*

Yeah, that's right, SoM may even be able to BEAT Sonic 2. Choke on that one!

"It was last year's game of the year, as well"

Only because SSBM was too old to compete. :) I think SSBM might still be outselling WW, come to think of it.
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What's your point? You probably don't even see FF7 as much of a threat...

A big point. Chrono Trigger is a threat, FFX is a threat, and Final Fantasy VII is the biggest threat of them all. FFVI? I don`t see it as a threat.
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You`re good with sales figures. Give me stats on FFX, WW, and SSBM.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
I would like to take this moment to politely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf

I know you didn`t ask me, but the order in sales is relatively easy:

Final Fantasy X
SSBM
Wind Waker


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"And if it did that would make Vice City on the level of FFX and WW."

VC is better as a game than Vercetti is as a character. And I don't mean to say VC is a good game, I'm just saying it rates higher. WW in my book is crap, I'd rather spend 80% of my time driving a taxi instead of sailing :) And FFX? Well, I don't have to repeat myself, right? It's not exactly the greatest FF game. It's not exactly in the top 3 either, as far as I'm concerned. It may be 3rd most popular (we'll only be able to tell after it's over and evaluate where FFT stands) but that's simply because it's the newer that isn't an abomoination (for FF standards).

"I would imagine that plus some."

Glad to hear that from someone who isn't insanely biased... wait, yes you are. Again, let's just wait and see, okay?

Man, I feel like a liberal here... I'm trying for a fair middle ground but I keep losing my grip on the tug-o-war rope. I'm moderate when you're assuming I'm biased, and you're all so biased that "moderate" leans more towards your side than *gasp* the middle ground.
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And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow

Oh, and tomorrow`s matchup is important from a bracketeer standpoint. Brackets will be broken one way or the other, and should LTTP win, we won`t be seeing any perfect brackets this year. The Return has FF6 beating LTTP, and saitou777(sp?) has SMB3 winning it all.

I, obviously, am rooting for LTTP. It`s in my bracket, and I hope plenty of people have FF6 winning the match.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
I would like to take this moment to politely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf

GC Nintendo Super Smash Bros. Melee 2.24
GC Nintendo Super Mario Sunshine 1.55
GC Nintendo Mario Kart: Double Dash!! 1.55
GC Nintendo Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker 1.46

PS2 Squaresoft Final Fantasy X 2.08
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ChichiriMuyo is officially the Discussion Guru Encyclopedia - UltimaterializerX
And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow

Wow, I never would have expected FFX to sell so low.
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Current Sp2K4 Score: 67/72, Next Winner: Chrono Trigger

Ah, those are US sales I imagine? Worldwide I think FFX hit the 5 million mark but I do know as of 1/30/02 it was 4 million.
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