And Chrono jumps out to a 70-30 lead. Jesus, just imagines what happens if FFVI beats LttP tomorrow.

Of course, of fanatical upset pics by the board happen to fail, there goes Starcraft.

No!

Starcraft shall overcome!!!
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I'd like to point out that at the moment, according to the stats page, 0 percent of the contest brackets called Zelda vs Tetris correctly.

Wow.
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Wow, Chrono Trigger has jumped out to a commanding lead. After last round, this is a lot more lopsided than I expected. It did lose a big chunk of percentage against Mario RPG throughout the day though, so Mario World should be below 60% by the end of the match.
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Spring Contest 2004: 60/72
Today: (1)Chrono Trigger over (5)Sonic the Hedgehog 2

Chrono has hit a point where it's victory is almost secure. About a 1500 vote lead and 60+ percent going into the mourning. SMW's bound to bring it under 55, but I don't see CT having any difficulty winning this round at all.

60% on a major mario game is a huge accomplishment. i still doubt it will finish that way, but if it does - that would be big time strength being shown, people.

TRE: I think I know what you`re getting at, and I personally don`t think strength between Mario World and FF6 matters much. What I look at is that LTTP is far closer to OOT than FF6 is to FF7, and Mario World is only the third strongest Mario title on this site (Mario 3, Mario 64).

Basically, if LTTP beats FF6 in equal to or worse fashion than Chrono Trigger beats Mario World today, LTTP is the favorite. But if CT manages a 60-40 beating while LTTP can only scrape out a 53-47 type of match, Chrono Trigger may just prove why it is a 1 seed.
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That's the kind of score I'd expect from LttP, barring SFF. Of course, if CT keeps on slipping, then I'll have to give the nod to LttP for good.
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I wouldn`t exactly call this 'slipping'. The fact that Chrono Trigger has 60% on Mario World has me in shock in the first place. And besides, it just increased its lead by almost 100 since I last checked a few minutes ago. This 'slipping' is just the percentages of the match finally leveling off.
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FF6 will beat LttP... >,>

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= Chrono Trigger vs. Super Mario World =

But that's what matters in non-close matches. If I expect a bit above 60% from LttP against SMW, doesn't it make sense that CT getting, say, 57-58% would make it a slight favorite?

One thing's for sure... LttP must NOT let FF6 any closer than 45%.
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Possibly, but LTTP would kill Mario World by at least 70% due to SFF.
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so no ones giving ff6 a chance to beat lttp eh?
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If you're worried people are talking about you... you're probably right.

FF6 is long gone, we're talking FF7 buddy.

And if it can come close to FF7 like some of us think it can, then I don't see how we can be worried about FF6. CT is where it's at.

Ulti: But CT can't pick up SFF from SMW now, can it?
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I still believe!..

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Spring 2004 Contest - Score: 061/072
= Chrono Trigger vs. Super Mario World =

Oh you better believe ALttP is going to go kick some ass...
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I second the no closer than 45% for FFVI though. <<
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I think Mario World is less SFF-able against Chrono Trigger than LTTP, if you ask me.
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Well, duh. Why would one expect ANY SFF against CT?!?
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Peeps of GameFAQ's! Do I have your attention?
All of you who dwell here and post away your lives! :) Well it's time for...the newly modernized...

Steve Illumina Speaks

Indeed it is so, the legendary and ever humorous commentary rages on from the soon to be 350 Karma Legend, to offer some lighthearted yet well-honed levity, here on this the stats thread... the one bastion of proven intelligence on this overly fanboy dominated board.

And so it proceeds, with the match that will bring the Zelda fanboys to their knees... here in the Greatest Generation Division

ROUND 3: Match LII (52...)

(6)Zelda: Link to the Past vs (2)Final Fantasy III/VI

Steve's Prediction: FFVI by 53%
Steve's Bracket: FFVI
LUE's Pick: "A house divided among itself cannot stand" -A. Lincoln
Upset Chances: Time for the Zelda bandwagon to be ground to a halt.

Comments: The best match of the Sweet 16 is right here, as FFVI takes on Zelda LTTP in a classic Nintendo/Square or Zelda/FF grudge match.

This match requires extensive analysis to counter the silly fanboy talk I keep hearing for Zelda. Everywhere one turns on this board, its 'Zelda this' or 'Zelda that'. 4 Zelda's, and they all are being tossed around as division champions and more! Geesh!

Now dont get me wrong, I aint a FF fanboy, nor am I a Zelda hater. I like them all, own them all, have beaten them all. When I did my bracket in March, I had Chrono vs FF to end this division, and nothing I have seen changes this opinion.

Zelda took out pathetic Gunstar Heroes with ease for it was very obscure. Then it took out Super Metroid which shocked many peeps, but consider this. Metroid on this site will ALWAYS be 2nd tier. Push come to shove, Metroid/Samus will always fall to Link/Zelda/FF. Period. The only thing that floats a dent in this theory is that Super Metroid got the higher seed than Zelda, presumably on # of nom's though King Ceej may have manipulated it some too for drama purposes. Who really knows?

Meanwhile, FF took out two solid opponents with loyal fanbases by similar margins as to what Zelda did to Metroid: Mortal Kombat and Doom. No SFF, no split Nintendite vote, nothing. Just solid victories against 2 mature rated games that spawned legions of gaming ancestry.

This match is the kind that makes or breaks brackets, and I would be willing to bet more peeps predicted FF to win this match. Its time to find out.

Historical Insights: Zelda LTTP, a solid but easy Zelda game, it sold systems, it put the nail in the coffin of the Genesis, etc.

FFVI: The game that really showed an evolution in the quality of Square's games, both in story quality and depth of gameplay. The 1st FF to have numerous sidequests and extras as well. This game is also thought of as the best quality FF by many, including myself.

Why FF Will Prevail: Voting blocks: Square fanboys will carry it, along with mature gamers who view Zelda as too kiddie, RPG diehards who know FF is more of an RPG than Zelda will ever be, bracket voters, and peeps who vote for what IS the better quality game.

Why Zelda Wont Prevail: All of the above combined will be too much for the 'little 6 seed that could' to overcome. FF will shock many a Nintendite I do believe.

Take a moment to remember...Running through the weeds all over the Overworld...Flying around chasing DoomGaze in the World of Ruin.

Probable Results: The Light of Judgment will judge accordingly, and FF will blindside the Nintendites by a very narrow margin of votes.

Random FF Quotes: "Run run or you'll be well done!" -Kefka, "For a second...I doubted you...but I'm still your friend" -Locke, "People are people, not all of us are like Kefka" -Leo
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You almost had me last time Steve, but this time I'm even more convinced... do not pass go, do not collect 28 points and kiss your bracket goodbye.

In other news...

EXTRAPOLATED RANKINGS FOR LOWER DIVISION 8

1. 50.00% - (3) Legend of Zelda
2. 25.43% - (2) Tetris
3. 13.49% - (7) Pong
4. 12.96% - (6) Donkey Kong
5. 12.94% - (11) Duck Hunt
6. 11.06% - (15) Galaga
7. 08.63% - (10) River City Ransom
8. 04.80% - (14) Adventure

Man, it was obvious that Zelda would waste everything in there... and only 70% got that one right?

Speaking of Zelda, a quick look at the BOP tells us how Zelda was the underdog going into this contest:

SMB3 beats LoZ 88-11
CT beats LttP 83-11
FF7 beats OoT 65-34
FF10 beats WW 40-23

My, how things change.
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Prediction Leaderboard:

1 The Return - 72
1 Saitou7777 - 72
3 leet g33k - 71
4 willyman76 - 70
4 SlangEdter41 - 70
4 Raistlin187 - 70
4 Dont Tread On ME - 70
4 CounterCloud - 70
9 Bananaquest - 69
9 LordOfDabu - 69
9 alpha door - 69
9 PerfectDemon - 69
9 UltimaterializerX - 69
9 FrostHarpy - 69
9 PepeCamello - 69
9 Modest Morte - 69
9 usefulidiot - 69
9 SSJGasSnake - 69
9 Roving Vagrant - 69
9 Kirin17 - 69
9 Delpheous2003 - 69
9 Aprosenf - 69
9 Dralor - 69
9 Vortyx - 69
9 duilio9z - 69
9 CloudsShinji - 69
9 Sins Tox1n - 69
9 Bejita San - 69

Another quiet day only 3 fell off the top 10 which were tempoblade, kaonashi1 and HoratioQHornblower. Also only 71.26% of the people got this match right and it looks like LoZ may be the favorite to take the 8 bit division

Also when I did the rankings for the bottom of the 8 bit division I found out that RCR is ranked below Adventure. Did I make a mistake or is the right thing?
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My Score 65/72 CT vs. SMW

*** COMPARISONS GAME - Match #52 - (6) LEGEND OF ZELDA: A LINK TO THE PAST vs. (2) FINAL FANTASY 6 ***

Sales

the-magicbox.com only gives the Japanese numbers, but surprisingly FF6 absolutely kills LttP there, to an extent where it's pretty much impossible for LttP to come back with the NA numbers.

- Advantage FF6.

Franchises

As far as we know, Zelda and FF are pretty much equal on this site. I don't think anyone would argue that.

- TIE.

GameFAQs Status

Number of FAQs: FF6
Number of reviews: FF6
Average review score: LttP
Board activity: FF6

A few very low reviews are what is costing FF6 a sweep here. It's got a bit more reviews and FAQs, but the board is where it truly shines.

- Advantage FF6.

Board Odds Project

PICKS (out of 102)
Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past - 59
Final Fantasy 6 - 38
Also picked: Super Metroid (5)

POINT VALUE
7. Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past - 734
8. Final Fantasy 6 - 619

Zelda has shown to be quite underestimated since then, but a slight majority STILL had LttP winning this match. Not very good for FF6, if I may say so.

Still, to FF6's credit, it's the strongest third round loser on the point value list, tying Wind Waker, an Elite 8 prospect.

- Advantage LTTP.

Previous Rounds

And that's where LttP truly shines. Making ANYTHING look like AiAi is a feat of power, and taking SFF votes from Super Metroid, which is seemingly what happened, says a lot about the solid backing this game has. Meanwhile, FF6 had two "meh" victories over MK and Doom. "Meh" isn't going to cut it.

- Advantage LTTP.

Summer Contests / Polls of the Day

Kefka bombed last year, but he's still a poor proxy for FF6. Instead, we'll look at something else...

In favorite Zelda polls, LttP comes decently close every time. In fact, if I'm to believe what someone (I think it's Ulti) said, LttP is inching closer and closer on OoT with every poll that passes.

Can't say that for FF6 compared to FF7, oh no.

- Advantage LTTP.

Intangibles

Um... the picture is absolute trash on both sides - but at least Link is recognizable. I know it's Celes on the other side, but it took me more than a split second to figure it out.

And if we're to believe what we saw in division 8, the old Zeldas get much more backing than the old FFs.

Not that it means much, but that's why it's called "intangibles", right? As in, potential hard to measure?

- Advantage LTTP.

Conclusion: I'm totally surprised at myself... LttP can beat my two favorite games ever back-to-back and I'm not even raising an eyebrow.

At least we aren't subjected to more horrid Kefka art in the match pic.
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And since the Zelda extrapolated standings are rigth in our faces now I'd like to take this time to have us all stop and think: Which games in that 8 pack are truly must haves? Besides Zelda and Tetris I wouldn't be shocked if any of those were missing. In fact, none of us would have even noticed if the bottom four were missing. If there were no DK games it might raise a slight alarm, but nothing on the level with our total lack of Mega Man games. If pong wasn't there a few joke entry fans may be upset, but no one really thinks it's the best game ever. Second game ever, sure, but cetainly not best.

Mario's 8 pack, look at what IT contains though. On GameFAQs can you have an 8 bit division without the original FF? Nope. You can't have any divisions without final fantasies as I'm sure you'll all note. Metroid? It'd feel odd without it. Metal Gear? I'd honestly be surprised not to see it in an all 8bit division. And Contra, the little game that could. I'm glad to see it. I might not be surprised if it were missing, but I'm glad to see it. After all that, and with all things considered, I'd still rank FF, Metroid, and MG as bigger shockers if they were missing than if Tetris was missing.

Look at CT's 8 pack. Name a game that doesn't belong. If you said SoM I'm snapping your twig of a neck though. Sure, the Simpsons... It doesn't belong. Maybe not Shining Force either (I nominated it, butthead, and it's first sequel)

Lttp's 8 pack? FF6, Super Metroid, Doom. The absence of any others in that 8 pack wouldn't be surprising and I actually though MK2 would make the game as it is vastly superior to 1 making 2 sub-par at best :)

FF7's 8 pack has got 4 must have, other than FF7 of course. FFT, DDR, MGS, and RE. Okay, so DDR is questionable, but I think it deserved its place in the contest. Also you can't have a contest without some pokemon weasling in here and there.

OoT's? SotN, Mario 64, and Goldeneye. As happy as I am at seeing those two awesome Saturn games getting some respect at long last they and everything else I didn't name are expendable.

Starcraft/WW 8 pack... Well, besides those two I can't imagine a contest without Halo... oh wait *imagines* it'd be a better place... Prime, KH, HL, SC. Yeah, they aren't especially strong, but I can't see the contest without them.

FFX/SSBM... VC, MGS2, Shenmue. We couldn't have a games contest without them. I suppose the biggest benefit to divisions by era is that we aren't overrun by 128 bit games, because that could very well happen if left unchecked. But who knows, we never had a chance at anything better.

Zelda's an awesome game, I've found more enjoyment from Zelda than Mario 3, and in fact I've probably found more enjoyment from Zelda than all 3 NES Mario titles combined. The fact still remains, its half division is a shining example of a steaming pile of horse dung. The only must-have game in that half division, as far as this contest is concerned, isn't even worthy of being less than trippled by Zelda.
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Hahahaha! You guys really kill me with your favoritism. CT is beating SMW 60/40 and you still, STILL, side with LttP, and you're putting down anyone who gives FFVI a chance tomorrow. Fear not, Dilated Chemist -- not *all* of us are diehard Nintendites. I don't think you're crazy. I doubt FFVI can pull it off but I'm rooting for it like crazy just to see the people in this thread finally shut up about that game.
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I`m not putting down FF6. Not one bit. I refuse to say that the best game in the Final Fantasy series has no chance to win. It most definitely does.

But like Slowflake just said, I mentioned one very interesting fact about the two games in the next poll. LTTP is closer to OOT than FF6 is to FF7. You all forget that Chrono Trigger is two years younger than FF6. It may not mean much, but two years is a very long time on gamefaqs. LTTP will win. It will be close as hell (I can easily see this being less than 2%), but LTTP will still win. LTTP is far more fresh in the minds of Zelda fans than FF6 is in the minds of Final Fantasy fans. Don`t ask me how; it just is.
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And while we`re on the subject, never in my wildest dreams did I ever think Chrono Trigger could ever do this to Mario World. Could Super Mario RPG possibly be stronger than Super ****ing Mario World?? That is absolutely insane, and Chrono Trigger is a ****ing powerhouse.
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Mario RPG at least splits the RPG fans, so it'd probably only be stronger than SMW against rpgs and nothing else. Either way you look at it, though, this should impress upon everybody that no Zelda has won the tournament yet.... but ti doesn't. Because you people like to jump on bandwagons? You like to avoid common sense because of a few big number against small games? I dunno. I guess some of you just aren't up to the task :) It's all up in the air still, people, so stop acting like it isn't.
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I`m not putting down FF6. Not one bit. I refuse to say that the best game in the Final Fantasy series has no chance to win. It most definitely does.

I wasn’t actually referring to you, Ulti. At least you can admit to the possibility of LttP losing. Some posters here are too covered with the stink of fanboyism to even admit that much.

But like Slowflake just said, I mentioned one very interesting fact about the two games in the next poll. LTTP is closer to OOT than FF6 is to FF7. You all forget that Chrono Trigger is two years younger than FF6. It may not mean much, but two years is a very long time on gamefaqs. LTTP will win. It will be close as hell (I can easily see this being less than 2%), but LTTP will still win. LTTP is far more fresh in the minds of Zelda fans than FF6 is in the minds of Final Fantasy fans. Don`t ask me how; it just is.

I said myself that LttP is the deserved favorite in its match against FFVI but it irritates me when certain people get cocky about it and say that people who think otherwise are flat wrong when the match hasn’t even started yet.

And while we`re on the subject, never in my wildest dreams did I ever think Chrono Trigger could ever do this to Mario World. Could Super Mario RPG possibly be stronger than Super ****ing Mario World?? That is absolutely insane, and Chrono Trigger is a ****ing powerhouse.

Well, as I said in the last topic, 60% for CT wouldn’t surprise me and it would mean that SMRPG had been seriously underestimated. Anyone who is shocked by this victory should definitely reevaluate tomorrow's match in their minds. A 60/40 victory in a Square vs. Nintendo match should give pause to LttP's supporters, if only for a brief instant. Tomorrow's Nintendo game is stronger, and Square's game is weaker, but that has to make up quite a bit of ground. Not saying it isn't possible, or even likely, but someone should have brought up by now that the old school Square support is clearly larger than anticipated. I can't imagine how this couldn't reflect well on FFVI's chances tomorrow. Sure, it may be even more old school and less popular on this site, but the question is by how much. We'll see tomorrow. There is no clear cut answer yet so stop acting like LttP has it all in the bag, especially those certain posters who were thinking a SMW upset likely.

Either way you look at it, though, this should impress upon everybody that no Zelda has won the tournament yet.... but ti doesn't. Because you people like to jump on bandwagons? You like to avoid common sense because of a few big number against small games? I dunno. I guess some of you just aren't up to the task :) It's all up in the air still, people, so stop acting like it isn't.

Thank you, Chichiri. I’m starting to get irritated by certain posters who can talk of nothing but Zelda’s inevitable victory despite the results of this match.
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the-magicbox.com only gives the Japanese numbers, but surprisingly FF6 absolutely kills LttP there, to an extent where it's pretty much impossible for LttP to come back with the NA numbers.

- Advantage FF6.

With NA numbers, probably not, but what about European numbers? I remember Zelda 3 being decently big here. And FF6 was never released during the SNES days.
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I wasn’t actually referring to you, Ulti. At least you can admit to the possibility of LttP losing. Some posters here are too covered with the stink of fanboyism to even admit that much.

Smitelf, Ulti, you both and me and the other FFVI backers for tomorrow must combat the fanboyism...it is too much indeed...and it has tainted some of the elites opinions I do believe as well.

I wanted FFVI to win for my bracket alone, but now I want in to win just to shut up the fanboys. They really are starting to become a plague to this site.
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Chich..way to tell them to get off the bandwagon!
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Umm... didn't SMRPG get 33%? SMW looks like it's stagnating just below 40%.

Anyway, looks like my bracket is not entirely dead yet. These four division finals are going to be ugly, and there's no clear favorite in either.

Another note: the more CT dominates the opposition, the more SoM looks good. I wonder where it's going to end up overall.

Today seems to cement CT, LttP, FF7 and OoT as the big four of the Spring contest. They should monopolize the 1-seeds next year.
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Hahahaha! You guys really kill me with your favoritism. CT is beating SMW 60/40 and you still, STILL, side with
LttP,

What reason is there not to side with ALttP? I`ll admit this isn`t how I expected the match to go, but Mario and Zelda are obviously two different areas in strength. Yes, this may be Super Mario World but CT will also be facing A Link to the Past. This isn`t any reason to go back to Chrono Trigger.

and you're putting down anyone who gives FFVI a chance tomorrow.

Like I always have, I don`t believe FFVI has any sort of notable shot at ALttP. In fact, I think the max that FFVI would get is 45%.

Fear not, Dilated Chemist -- not *all* of us are diehard Nintendites. I don't think you're crazy. I doubt FFVI can pull it off but I'm rooting for it like crazy just to see the people in this thread finally shut up about that game.

I actually can`t wait for it to be put to rest so the entire board will get off FFVI. << Plus, I believe it`s a much better game than FFVI.

It will be close as hell (I can easily see this being less than 2%), but LTTP will still win.

I can`t honestly see FFVI giving ALttP that much trouble, I`d be shocked if it did.

LTTP is far more fresh in the minds of Zelda fans than FF6 is in the minds of Final Fantasy fans.

That it is. It has always seemed to me that FFVII is the game that gets all the backing while the other FF games get some but far from full.
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Could Super Mario RPG possibly be stronger than Super ****ing Mario World?? That is absolutely insane, and Chrono Trigger is a ****ing powerhouse.

I doubt it. Judging from this match right now SMW is still stronger than SMRPG and by a good bit.

Either way you look at it, though, this should impress upon everybody that no Zelda has won the tournament yet.... but ti doesn't.

It doesn`t change the fact that all of the Zelda games are still looking extremey powerful themselves, minus Wind Waker but that whole division is weak. It doesn`t mean a Zelda title has this won yet, but regardless they power of all of the games is still very high up there.

Because you people like to jump on bandwagons? You like to avoid common sense because of a few big number against small games? I dunno. I guess some of you just aren't up to the task :) It's all up in the air still, people, so stop acting like it isn't.

I think CT just made it a lot more interesting by doing this to SMW. I still firmly believe that ALttP will be the one in the finals to represent this half of the bracket. And I`m surprised this match didn`t have people jumping all over CT in this topic, I was almost convinced I`d be seeing everyone taking CT as the one in the finals after today. As it turns out that`s how the board went, heh. =P

I wasn’t actually referring to you, Ulti. At least you can admit to the possibility of LttP losing. Some posters here are too covered with the stink of fanboyism to even admit that much.

There is always a chance at a loss, however, that chance does not have to big. In this case, there is a chance that FFVI could win the match but I wouldn`t say it has a great one.

Well, as I said in the last topic, 60% for CT wouldn’t surprise me and it would mean that SMRPG had been seriously underestimated. Anyone who is shocked by this victory should definitely reevaluate tomorrow's match in their minds.


if only for a brief instant. Tomorrow's Nintendo game is stronger, and Square's gam is weaker, but that has to make up quite a bit of ground. Not saying it isn't possible, or even likely, but someone should have brought up by now that the old school Square support is clearly larger than anticipated. I can't imagine how this couldn't reflect well on FFVI's chances tomorrow. Sure, it may be even more old school and less popular on this site, but the question is by how much. We'll see tomorrow.

There is no clear cut answer yet so stop acting like LttP has it all in the bag, especially those certain posters who were thinking a SMW upset likely.

If anything Chrono Trigger caught up to ground it had "lost" on ALttP prior to today. There isn`t a clear-cut winner right now but that still isn`t going to stop people from favoring one or the other and a few still believe that ALttP has the match won. I don`t see what is wrong with that at all, especially since ALttP has not faultered yet in its performances against opponents.

the-magicbox.com only gives the Japanese numbers, but surprisingly FF6 absolutely kills LttP there, to an extent where it's pretty much impossible for LttP to come back with the NA numbers.

You do realize that ALttP is the second third highest Zelda game with 4.5 million units sold. I don`t think FFVI got anywhere near that.
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Smitelf, Ulti, you both and me and the other FFVI backers for tomorrow must combat the fanboyism...it is too much indeed...and it has tainted some of the elites opinions I do believe as well.

I still don`t see a reason to think that ALttP won`t win the division. It may be a whole lot closer than what it was before, but still no reason to suddenly stop believing that ALttP will win for favor of CT.

I wanted FFVI to win for my bracket alone, but now I want in to win just to shut up the fanboys. They really are starting to become a plague to this site.

I want the game I like better to win, regardless of fanboys, fans, etc. =)
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Dodongo Dislikes Smoke - Old Man; The Legend of Zelda

According to the-magicbox.com, Final Fantasy VI has more than doubled Link to the Past's Japanese sales, 2.55 million to 1.16 million, and I'm sure that it wasn't a slouch stateside either.
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Spring Contest 2004: 60/72
Today: (1)Chrono Trigger over (5)Sonic the Hedgehog 2

I never remember the game taking off in the states, so I can`t say it would beat out ALttP here. It could have but I dunno. That is a hefty beating from FFVI with 2.25 million to 1.2 million. Ouch.
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"We predicted it would sell millions in the U.S. too, but it didn't do that. I'm sure it didn't break one million, because our goal for Final Fantasy VII was to break one million in the United States."

-quoted from Hironobu Sakaguchi in NEXT Generation magazine, Feb. '99 issue
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LttP sold 4.6 millions overall. FF6 sold 2.55 millions in Japan alone. So the question is: did FF6 sold more than 2 millions in the US?
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According to that quote it did not.
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Dodongo Dislikes Smoke - Old Man; The Legend of Zelda

Then let's switch.

Sales: Advantage LTTP.

Just makes FF6 look a tiny bit worse.
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SAVE THE SUMMER CONTEST!
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=14242163

What reason is there not to side with ALttP? I`ll admit this isn`t how I expected the match to go, but Mario and Zelda are obviously two different areas in strength. Yes, this may be Super Mario World but CT will also be facing A Link to the Past. This isn`t any reason to go back to Chrono Trigger.

It’s not necessarily the idea of you siding with LttP that is troubling but your defensive reaction to Chrono Trigger doing so well. It’s pretty funny.

I actually can`t wait for it to be put to rest so the entire board will get off FFVI. << Plus, I believe it`s a much better game than FFVI.

I am in shock! HEROIC MARIO thinks that a Zelda game is better than a Final Fantasy game! My God, how could anyone have ever guessed?

If anything Chrono Trigger caught up to ground it had "lost" on ALttP prior to today.

LOL! You mean the imaginary ground it had lost due to underestimation of its opponents? Somehow I doubt that CT has *magically* become more popular from the second to the third round, so the only explanation is that its performance was underrated from the start.

There isn`t a clear-cut winner right now but that still isn`t going to stop people from favoring one or the other and a few still believe that ALttP has the match won. I don`t see what is wrong with that at all, especially since ALttP has not faultered yet in its performances against opponents.

What’s wrong with that is when people who think otherwise are disregarded completely in a discussion topic that is supposed to be based on logic instead of favoritism.
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Current Sp2K4 Score: 67/72, Next Winner: Chrono Trigger

It’s not necessarily the idea of you siding with LttP that is troubling but your defensive reaction to Chrono Trigger doing so well. It’s pretty funny.

I think CT definitely has a better chance that what I gave it prior to this match. I mean, beating SMW by 60% is something no doubt about that. And I think the match is also going to be closer than what I would have expected, but then again I don`t see a reason as to why ALttP wouldn`t look good still going in, if only by a little.

I am in shock! HEROIC MARIO thinks that a Zelda game is better than a Final Fantasy game! My God, how could anyone have ever guessed?

While I think its better, I also believe that FFVI is one amazing game. I couldn`t bring myself to say that FFVI is bad, because it is very far from that. Great game. =)

LOL! You mean the imaginary ground it had lost due to underestimation of its opponents? Somehow I doubt that CT has *magically* become more popular from the second to the third round, so the only explanation is that its performance was underrated from the start.

That is more likely than not. I`d say we underestimated SoM and SMRPG quite a bit. I know I did, especially SMRPG. I didn`t figure that SMW would only manage to do a little better, but turns out SMRPG was quite the contender and Sonic 2 was just weak. The "lost ground" I was referring to was more along the lines of how it was held in regard to ALttP for the division.

What’s wrong with that is when people who think otherwise are disregarded completely in a discussion topic that is supposed to be based on logic instead of favoritism.

It is almost impossible not to at least favor one or the other, very easy to keep it down but sometimes certain things make you put your "favoritism" into one over the other. Saying either can win is very logical however since the match should be very close.
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Heh, yeah. CT's back in contention, there's no doubt about it. I can't wait for the division finals to take place.
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SAVE THE SUMMER CONTEST!
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=14242163

It is almost impossible not to at least favor one or the other, very easy to keep it down but sometimes certain things make you put your "favoritism" into one over the other. Saying either can win is very logical however since the match should be very close.

Thank you. That's all I was looking for -- some admission that either has a chance to win instead of scoffing at those that say otherwise. Glad to see that you still have the ability to think logically. I was beginning to worry that this thread was going to become another fanboy-infested den of villany.
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Hehe. =)
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Dodongo Dislikes Smoke - Old Man; The Legend of Zelda

I moved up to 22nd, yay.

I think that LttP is probably going to win tomorrow, but don't count out FF6 completely. It just happens to be my personal favorite game of all time, and I originally had it winning the whole thing, but then I came to my senses and realized that GameFAQs is definitely not going to agree with me. Never underestimate the Zelda fanboys.
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Contest status: 69/72 points through The Legend of Zelda vs. Tetris.

Kefka bombed last year, but he's still a poor proxy for FF6. Instead, we'll look at something else...

In favorite Zelda polls, LttP comes decently close every time. In fact, if I'm to believe what someone (I think it's Ulti) said, LttP is inching closer and closer on OoT with every poll that passes.

Can't say that for FF6 compared to FF7, oh no.

- Advantage LTTP.

I'm going to take issue with this comment. FFVI, while it will never surpass FFVII, is still the 2nd most popular FF on the site easily. In the last poll, it has surpassed FFX which had in the poll before that been 2nd to VII.

In addition, look at the huge variance in competition. Really, the LoZ franchise has LoZ, LttP, and OoT as legit competition for best Zelda ever, and that's it. All the games in the FF series outside 1, 2, and 5 (3 did remarkabally well, so I'm assuming it's votes go to 6) have a claim, some much larger then others. I think I factored in FFVI getting 40% against FFVII by the latest poll.

You want to use Link and Zelda's performances in the Summer Contests, go ahead. I won't deny LttP the victory there. But FFVI is still growing in spite of your lack of knowledge on the matter.