Yeah, tis true. But strider, man, he beat Raziel but which of the two got to come back? That's not right. It's criminal, I tell you. I'm highly considering nominating Strider for being cool yet getting badly shafted.
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Very well-written petition by dethaddr. Please sign it... SAVE THE SUMMER CONTEST!!!

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That idea is the worst thing I have ever seen, what in the world. -_-

Oh and for LoZ, I think it`s looking like a favorite to win the division.
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Yeah, people keep saying that about LoZ. Let's just wait till it happens, okay?

And yes, divisions by company is the worst idea known to mankind.
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Hey, look whose saying it about LoZ? =\
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I was saying that LoZ was a threat to Mario 3 before the contest started, man, it's just been said enough times already that it doesn't need to be stated again.
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Yeah, well I felt like saying it...

Especially since it pertained to it beating my favorite game.
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I was saying that LoZ was a threat to Mario 3 before the contest started, man, it's just been said enough times already that it doesn't need to be stated again.

Has me laughing at HM, calling him a Nintendo/Zelda fanboy, and condemning his biased opinions been done enough?

Not that Zelda doesn't have a chance but its performance today isn't exactly definitive. I wouldn't call it a favorite. They are both about equal, as has been evidenced by every match they've taken part in since the contest began. I'm expecting one of those edge-of-your-seat matches out of those two games and they better deliver.

And in other news, I'm hoping for a SMW victory tomorrow. It won't happen despite the hype but I can always hope that my pick for Most. Overrated Game. Ever. may be toppled.
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Well, there are two things I'm really looking for... Tetris doens't come out looking better than Mario 3, firstly, as that wouldn't make sense... but if LoZ is such a clear favorite that would be the obvious result. And second I'm looking to see CT whoop some friggin' ass! I'm not a big CT, I'll tell you now, because I really wanted SoM to beat it even though it wasn't possible. That being said, however, I still want CT to win because it DOES deserve more recognition. If it wins Crono and Magus may become strong in the summer because people just might play it if they see it doing well. And besides, who wants to be open to the possibility of two days in a row of Mario having his ass handed to him by Link via their games?

*note: not saying FF6 will lose, just saying that it is the more likely possibilit :(
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but if LoZ is such a clear favorite that would be the obvious result

Clear favorite and slight favorite are different.
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That NES rankings topic that TRE provided has Legend of Zelda barely behind SMB3! Now, pick the game which would probably have a higher proportion of the vote with the casual gamers compared to the NES gamers.

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And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow

Time for a T-Note Speaks (sorry Steve-O, but I gotta borrow it):

Before even addressing this board, I filled out a bracket based solely on how I thought "the site" would vote. This included the original Zelda in the Finals against FFVII. I then began discussing on the board, with those far more knowledgable than myself on the demographics of this site (Slowflake, Ulti, et al.). With this, I changed quite a few predictions, such as Xeno, Castlevania and Doom to win their 1st round matches. For this, I thank everyone. However, another change made was the Zelda falling to SMB3, as everyone could not get past the best Mario game losing to the 3rd best Zelda game. Moral of the story: no matter how much you beat something to death, always go with your first instinct. If SMB3 wins in a week, I will post another "you gurus are deities" message, however right now I find it hard to believe Mario will take out Link.

Sidenote: Why doesn't anyone like Tommy Vercetti? Ray Liotta is my favorite actor, so when I heard he was doing the anti-hero of GTA: Vice City, I couldn't get my hands on the game soon enough. The one liners are histerical, and the guy is just a total bad-ass. Seriously, why no love???
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Contest: 63/68; I miss being in tied for 17th place... =(

*** COMPARISONS GAME - Match #51 - (1) CHRONO TRIGGER vs. (4) SUPER MARIO WORLD ***

Sales

SMW: 17 million.
CT: Not nearly enough.

- Advantage SMW

Franchises

CT alone, it's tied - Mario wins, blame Chrono Cross.

- Advantage SMW.

GameFAQs Status

Number of FAQs: CT
Number of reviews: CT
Average review score: CT
Board activity: CT

Total domination in every sector.

- Advantage CT.

Board Odds Project

PICKS (out of 102)
Chrono Trigger - 98
Super Mario World - 3
Also picked: Sonic the Hedgehog 2 (1)

POINT VALUE
2. Chrono Trigger - 2623
15. Super Mario World - 310

There weren't as many doubters back then, that's for sure.

- Advantage CT.

Previous Rounds

And here's where all the hype comes from. Sonic 2 may not be able to beat SMRPG, but don't tell me it couldn't hold its own.

- TIE.

Summer Contests / Polls of the Day

Mario vs. Crono... 'nuff said.

Although to be fair, SMW isn't Mario's most popular title... but it's close enough that the difference between it and SMB3 is a bit questionable.

- TIE.

Intangibles

Nintendo vote-stuffers can do miracles in a close match, it's common knowledge. Except this time, Mario's still the underdog, so there will be less hesitation to mobilize behind him. It IS one of these matches where such factors could actually matter. And CT can only count on its regular fanbase to survive...

- Advantage SMW.

Conclusion: It may not be a true Mario vs. Crono match, for Mario's proxy may be a bit flawed. But it's still the most interesting match in this round, and by far.
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I think it's just the lack of love for the GTA series. I don't know if the FFP portrays Vercetti with much fidelity, but if it does, then Vercetti may just be that good.

And I got lured by the rest of the gurus into picking SMB3 as well. But my gut constantly told me, go with LoZ, GO WITH LOZ!!!
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Honestly, I think Tetris is the weakest member of the Sweet Sixteen. It's the timeless classic and definitive puzzle video game. Millions of people have played it and just about anyone who knows anything about video games has heard of it.

Yet honestly, how many of you would say that it's worthy of being considered the best game ever? Very few, despite how fun, challenging, and well-known it is. I still feel confident that Mario 3 will beat Legend of Zelda.
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Spring Contest 2004: 60/68
Today: (2)Tetris over (3)Legend of Zelda

I don't care for the GTA series as a whole. VC was interesting for a few hours, but it wasn't that great. That being said I hold Vercetti in a similar regard, I'll vote for him occasionally, but not often.
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And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow

I agree with that. Heck, I ran a survey on this topic yesterday, and Tetris got a lot of #16s, along with a few #15s. Now we can be in agreement that Goldeneye and Starcraft are the weakest games left.

Interesting fact: today is the biggest round 3 blowout ever, passing Jill/Link for the record.

Interesting fact #2: today is the first time a 3-seed reaches the Elite 8, EVER.
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Interesting fact #3: I had Subway for lunch. Ooh, and I just bought FF: Crystal Cronicles for $16. I love internet shopping.
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Contest: 63/68; I miss being in tied for 17th place... =(

I consider it a personal insult that Tetris doesn't have at least 30% on Zelda I. Are the voters just ******* idiots or something? I knew that Tetris would lose. That was a given. But this is just disrespect on the greatest puzzle game since chess. </whine>

Oh, and boo for the company divisions.
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I think Goldeneye could still prove to be the weakest in the 16. It will be going up agaisnt OoT, and it CAN get beaten soundly. I would deffinitely say that Mario 64 vs. Goldeneye would be interesting, and for various reasons I'd give Mario 64 the edge. GE may very well get beat down.

Starcraft is another matter, we don't know how to judge it yet. WW didn't do very well against Prime, and seemed to fall short of many expectations. Currently I will give the edge to WW if anyone, but I think it'll be fairly close. WW is getting heavily demoralized, and I don't think it has any real chance of coming out of the division. If it does, it just shows that the 128 bit division is an utter failure and that divisions by age was a poor idea.
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The 128-bit division really needs to go to hell in a handbasket... if only because it is the only division I have lost points in...
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Contest: 63/68; I miss being in tied for 17th place... =(

Interesting fact: today is the biggest round 3 blowout ever, passing Jill/Link for the record.

You are wrong.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=988
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Metroid Prime > Wind Waker

The board is the only group bringing down Wind Waker, because they seemed to have jumped onto StarCraft as coming out of the division all of a sudden. I still don`t see that happening. Wind Waker could still lose the division to FFX, but I`m still confident that it`ll come out.
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It has nothing to do with Starcraft though. WW is inherently weak, and unless by some chance its competitors are especially weak I can't see it coming out on top.
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And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow

So to put it another way, I can't see it beating Melee. That wouldn't make sense. I could see Melee losing to FFX and WW beating FFX, but even if that actually happened I still couldn't see WW losing to Melee. It just doesn't make sense.
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All the games in the 128 division are very weak if you ask me, none of them seem to be provide any sort of strength that`s worth looking at to much. Wind Waker has been around what people figured it what get in its matchups while its biggest rival, FFX, seems to be underperforming in every single match it has been in. I think it`ll come down to those two in a close match but I can definitely see Wind Waker coming out on top. But I`d say this division is incredibly weak.
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What do you all think of the prospects of anti-voting in the next rounds? There are numerous possibilities of Mario v. Zelda, Zelda v. Final Fantasy and Crono v. Mario. Do you think a LttP whipping of FF III would lead to some anti-OoT voting against FF VII? Or perhaps a Crono victory over Mario game #2 leading to a possible anti-Trigger vote against SMB3? I am taking some liberties with victories in previous rounds, but I am just curious what are the gurus sentiments on these possibilities. Also, I am curious in applying into the guruhood, as I feel my outlook on things have definitely carried worth throughout this contest. With my only anchored biases coming in the form of Tommy Vercetti... damn you SSBM!
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Contest: 63/68; I miss being in tied for 17th place... =(

Anti-votes will not matter.
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anti-voting = overrated, and I doubt we'll get to see SMB3 vs CT, one or both may lose before reaching the semis.
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Just to make the joke more cruel... all forms of anti-votes, such as revenge, are insignificant.
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Anti-votes will matter in a very close fight. But then again, so do many other factors.
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Sorry I haven`t been a part of this in the last few hours. I`ve been busy tearing into CJayC and his rediculous idea to change the format of the contest.
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I would like to take this moment to politely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf

Sorry I haven`t been a part of this in the last few hours. I`ve been busy tearing into CJayC and his rediculous idea to change the format of the contest.

Oh? Where was this? I'd love to read it.
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There, I`m done. Don`t say I never put myself out on a limb for you guys.
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I would like to take this moment to politely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf

Oh? Where was this? I'd love to read it.

It`s in the petition. I`d like to see if anyone from this topic thinks the change is a good idea after reading that little rant of mine. New characters is a decent idea, but it would still suck for the contest.
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I would like to take this moment to politely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf

I've been meaning to ask, does anyone in this topic (i.e. who is not a moron) *seriously* consider Starcraft to be a threat to Wind Waker? If so, why?

And I'm kind of warming up to the idea of brackets being split up by company. The pros are that a lot of new characters would be in the contest (KERRIGAN, DAMN YOU CEEJ, KERRIGAN!!!) and that the final four wouldn't be all Nintendo and Square for a change. the only con I can think of aside from the last three matches being very boring and the voting levels being lower in certain divisions would be that Sephy would probably be shafted of his deserved 1-seed again (as Chichiri, I think, already protested about earlier in the topic)
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Smitelf- I consider myself to not be a moron, and while I would love to see WW win, I would not be at all shocked if Starcraft pulled it out. Reasoning?

Heavy overseas internet-based support. In a blowout, this will not make a difference, but in close matches, as its two previous were, the ability to spam an unnamed evil website carries merit.

Cinderella. Look at the board as a whole; they need to change their pants at the thought of a 16 seed making the elite 8. Casual voters no; they have no clue the seeds of these games, and will not search to find out what it is. Rather, they will vote for the game they prefer, which is where Link and Zelda have a distinct advantage. However; 40,000+ of us filled out brackets, and since 80,000 is a decent guess at turnout, you can assume 30-50% of voters filled out brackets. Thus, 30%-50% of those votes know seedings, and all but maybe 10% of us have zero chance at respectability in the contest, so screw the bracket and put that glass slipper on those aliens.

<Personal thought> Repetition. After Zelda, LttP and OoT make the elite 8, does Zelda REALLY need 1/2 of the spots? This may not change more than 1-2% of voters. Some may argue it will not even effect that many. But if it does, 1-2% may determine who goes home and who competes for the "this division should burn in hell" title.

Just my thoughts; lemmie know if I am a moron.


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Contest: 63/68; I miss being in tied for 17th place... =(

Once again, I think you're waaaaay overestimating the bracket vote.

And damn Ulti, you pwned many people in your time here, but never as hard as you just pwned CJayC.
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I've been meaning to ask, does anyone in this topic (i.e. who is not a moron) *seriously* consider Starcraft to be a threat to Wind Waker? If so, why?

Me. I'm not a moron (ignore the fact that I'm last in the Guru standings, I'm still above the average GameFAQs bracket), and I literally have Starcraft beating WW in my bracket. Why?

Originally, it was because I thought that Div 128 was the PC's to lose. I had Half-Life advancing to Round 2 simply on the strength of the game outside GameFAQs. I had KotOR winning the division on the strength of the awards and PC entry.

Now, I can say that I still think Starcraft can win because Wind Waker is not a strong game. I have no respect for Metroid Prime as a contender, and SoA didn't get a great reception outside the Dreamcast. Starcraft is a game that is still played today, a game that would get massive hype if a sequel was ever announced, a game that has a spinoff that's expected to do very well on XBox, a game that (as Ulti said) SAVED A BLOODY COUNTRY. And you only sail in it 50% of the time, which is 30% less than WW.
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...i think that rant might actually be hurting our case, ulti.

you make it sound like this contest format change would lead to the apocalypse.
it wouldn't.
there would be fewer days of close matchups and high vote totals...but the casual voter wouldn't care about that.
the casual voter wouldn't even realize why it happened.

in fact...any format change would probably lead to more site traffic than another retread would.

this change would definitely lead to decreased traffic at this board.
but that is all.
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I won't deny that SC has a shot. It doesn't LOOK possible, but SC beating KH didn't look possible either. SC being Halo almost seemed impossible. I won't count Starcraft out until it goes out there and fights.

And I will murder someobody if Seph gets robbed of his deserved seed twice. Count on it.
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But it's been shown that many casual voters ALREADY abstain in matches such as FF10 vs. FFTA, WW vs. Prime, etc. A whole contest of these, and guess what we get?
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pure boredom?
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Is seeding really that important? Sephiroth is already one of the strongest contenders. I just don't see how Sephy being a 2,3, 4, or even 5 seed as a big deal unless Cjay made Cloud or Link a 12-16th seed.
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SC beating KH didn't look possible either.

Before KH's match against Soul Calibur, it did look impossible, I agree. But after that match, Starcraft had a real shot.

SC being Halo almost seemed impossible.

Of course it can't be Halo. It's an RTS as opposed to an FPS, and it stars a pleiad of characters as opposed to Master Chief.

Joking aside, this match was a crapshoot, and we all know why. Flagship of a semi-unpopular type of gaming (PC) vs. flagship of a both popular and hated (console).

All in all, I won't be impressed by Starcraft's run until it comes relatively close to Prime.
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Smitelf- I consider myself to not be a moron,

Very few people who find this topic are, it seems, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Heavy overseas internet-based support. In a blowout, this will not make a difference, but in close matches, as its two previous were, the ability to spam an unnamed evil website carries merit.

Starcraft's match against Halo was quite close; the questions are 1) whether Halo = Wind Waker in popularity and, if negative, 2) whether enough extra support can be garnered from Battle.net to make up the difference.

Strangely enough, I *can* see #1 being possible (though I don't necessarily lean toward that belief myself) but I find it difficult to believe in #2. Battle.net was spammed for the Halo match and I doubt that the vote-gathering for Starcraft from that area could amount to much more than it did then.

Cinderella. Look at the board as a whole; they need to change their pants at the thought of a 16 seed making the elite 8. Casual voters no; they have no clue the seeds of these games, and will not search to find out what it is. Rather, they will vote for the game they prefer, which is where Link and Zelda have a distinct advantage. However; 40,000+ of us filled out brackets, and since 80,000 is a decent guess at turnout, you can assume 30-50% of voters filled out brackets. Thus, 30%-50% of those votes know seedings, and all but maybe 10% of us have zero chance at respectability in the contest, so screw the bracket and put that glass slipper on those aliens.

I love your Cinderella analogy (put the glass slipper on those aliens, indeed! Hehehe...) but the problem lies in the sentence where you admitted that the majority of voters will vote for the game they prefer and that Zelda has an advantage in that particular area. The problem is that if the majority of the voters favor Zelda, that means Zelda will win, regardless of board support.

And just because a voter filled out a bracket doesn't mean they're watching this contest with such zeal as board users are. I could easily see someone filling out a bracket, checking it once in a while until it became obvious that they were too screwed to win, and then forgetting about it. The amount of brackets says nothing about the amount of people who are actually watching this contest closely, especially at this point when, as you say, only about 10% have a decent chance.

Most people won't know or care that Starcraft is a Cinderella story on this board. And, if that is the case, Starcraft is ****ed simply because most of the site's visitors prefer Zelda.

<Personal thought> Repetition. After Zelda, LttP and OoT make the elite 8, does Zelda REALLY need 1/2 of the spots? This may not change more than 1-2% of voters. Some may argue it will not even effect that many. But if it does, 1-2% may determine who goes home and who competes for the "this division should burn in hell" title.

I doubt this will affect many votes *at all* but I could be completely wrong.

Just my thoughts; lemmie know if I am a moron.

Nope, not a moron :)
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