Oh, and I see they are going to be grouped by developer. REALLY ****ING BAD IDEA.
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Yeah, this morning I saw this topic with 200 posts more than yesterday. I thought "no way I'm reading all this". Well, I did. Anyway, I still think a bye system such as the one kawaiifan first presented (or the one that I suggested later that took care of high seeds issues, with only characters that performed well the year before getting byes) is the best solution - as opposed to Company-based divisions.

Sorry to say it, but 4-packs round-robin is a bad idea imo. Unless you want to make 4-packs with characters of about the same strength (thus eliminating from the beginning very strong characters), it'd just increase the amount of blow-outs in the beginning of the tournament.
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Hard work may not kill you, but why take chances?
Aeowyn is my God - Heroic Tails here

Oh, and I see they are going to be grouped by developer. REALLY ****ING BAD IDEA.

Damned right. I think we`re going to see multiple perfect brackets this summer.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
I would like to take this moment to politely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf

Yeah, someone should definitely start a petition about this. Ulti's very good at that kind of things, maybe we should ask him.

SC2K4 will suck super monkey balls if it comes to pass. I mean, I'll poop out a Nintendo bracket as an example.

(1) Link
(16) Ness
(8) Luigi
(9) Kirby
(5) Bowser
(12) Mewtwo
(4) Ganondorf
(13) Geno
(6) Zelda
(11) Wario
(3) Samus
(14) Captain Falcon
(7) Yoshi
(10) DK
(2) Mario
(15) Pikachu

Looking at this bracket, we have TWO matches that could present any sort of interest, Luigi/Kirby and Mario/Samus. And considering that there are much more hard to call matches that won't even be close than matches that come out of nowhere, we'll be lucky to see one nailbiter come out of it. Mario/Samus, like many others, could be ruined by SFF, too. Link didn't take SFF votes on either, but Mario could do it to Samus.
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Peeps of GameFAQ's! Do I have your attention?
All of you who dwell here and post away your lives! :) Well it's time for...the newly modernized...

Steve Illumina Speaks

Indeed it is so, the legendary and ever humorous commentary rages on from the soon to be 350 Karma Legend, to offer some lighthearted yet well-honed levity, here on this the stats thread... the one bastion of proven intelligence on this overly fanboy dominated board.

And so it proceeds, with a rehash of the age old contest rivalry...Mario vs Crono yet again... here now in the Greatest Generation Division

ROUND 3: Match LI (51...)

(1)Chrono Trigger vs (4)Super Mario World

Steve's Prediction: Chrono by 54%
Steve's Bracket: Chrono
LUE's Pick: Well today, in band camp, I blew my magic whistle!
Upset Chances: It is remotely possible that Mario will keep his one sided domination of Crono going for another season...

Comments: So to begin the next group we got the finest Mario game taking on the last Squaresoft Nintendo release for 8 years...the overworshipped Chrono Trigger

The King of Platformers is riding swift, having taken down Papa FF and now setting his sights on old school RPG icon, Crono and the gang. While he has no fear of a 'generic spiky haired katana wielding teeny-bopper', he does fear the noble amphibian and future contest aspirant, Froggy.

In the eyes of this cursed Frog, Mario sees his destiny...his pain and rage...his victories and glories...and lastly, his defeat...leaving him with but one game left to stake his honor on.

The fanboys are rabid and ready to avenge 2 years worth of defeats. Crono himself could not take on the Icon of Nintendo, but this time, he has Frog, and Magus, and Ayla and Queen Zeal even. They are all set...to take down the evil plumber...and yes, it will happen this time.

Historical Insights: Mario World, the last true launch title pack in since companies then decided to cheat the public by making them buy a game extra from then on, was the game that began the slow but inevitable fall of the House that Sonic built. The processing features this game showed off put the Genesis to shame right from the get-go, and the other games that came out within a month or so of launch...titles like FFII, Castlevania IV, Super Ghouls & Ghosts, Gradius III, FZero, Pilotwings, and more just blew away the Genesis gems and set the stage for why, in my eyes, this is the Greatest Generation of gaming.

Chrono Trigger, the last of the glorious SNES RPG's, and the last game to be released by Square for a Nintendo system for 8 years, was, in its day, a lightly marketed gem. Only diehards knew about it when it came out, but as the years went by, it became more and more popular, driving up prices of the rare cartridge that satill are high today, even with the CT rerelease on the PS1 FF Chronicles.

This will be the 1st good match of the round, easily.

Why Trigger Will Prevail: Voting blocks: Square fanboys, Frog lovers, Magus supporters, and of course, Crono geeks.

Why Mario Wont Prevail: Will keep it close with Nintendites rallying the faithful, but CT is the better game...barely.

Take a moment to remember...Looking for the stolen weapons on the Epoch...the Special World & the Blue Yoshi!

Probable Results: Masa & Mune will fuse as one, and Frog will take up the blessed blade and restore honor to Trigger, slaying the King by a narrow margin of 54% or so.

Random Trigger Quotes: "Forthwith I will slay Magus and restore honor" -Frog, "So who is this Entity?" -Magus
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SCK24: 60/68 Trivia XIII: Diehards Forever
Steve Illumina: Standing tall against fanboys for over 20 years

I have a question by using yesterday's stats who would win in...

Metroid vs. Contra
Metal Gear vs. Phantasy Star
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LUE is a cancer, and if it can't be destroyed, it must be contained. - CjayC
My Score 61/68 LoZ vs. Tetris

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EXTRAPOLATED RANKINGS FOR UPPER DIVISION 8

1. 50.00% - (1) Super Mario Bros. 3
2. 40.40% - (4) Final Fantasy
3. 24.20% - (12) Contra
4. 21.96% - (8) Metroid
5. 18.86% - (5) Phantasy Star
6. 17.70% - (16) Metal Gear
7. 13.83% - (9) Pac-Man
8. 09.99% - (13) Pitfall

To answer charmander's question, Contra would beat Metroid with 54.63% (really doubtful), and PS would beat Metal Gear with 53.08%.
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REALLY ****ING BAD IDEA.



Dear Lord, he made Slowflake curse.



Now they've dun it.


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I prefer my sprites to have balls enough to blunder blindly into the enemy, swinging a sword. ~Anfini

thanks slow I just wanted to check my stats with yours
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LUE is a cancer, and if it can't be destroyed, it must be contained. - CjayC
My Score 61/68 LoZ vs. Tetris

What? Grouped by developer? **** that.

We have so much data on Nintendo characters in particular that such a division would be flawless for anyone paying any attention to '02 and '03 results.

Hmm, I wonder what the Square division final would be? Cloud vs. Sephiroth? That's crazy talk!

And the rest? Can you say FODDER? Aside from Snake and Megaman, of course.

And how the ****ing hell would Ceej make two whole divisions without Nintendo or Square characters?

...but wait. Does this mean Kerrigan might get in? In that case, **** the rest, I've been waiting two years to see Kerrigan and I damn well better this year! Any system that gets me my goddamn Kerrigan is fine by me.
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Current Sp2K4 Score: 59/64, Next Winner: Super Mario Bros. 3

Someone suggested that one of the two remaining divisions be Sega, Capcom and Konami together. But then, guess who would get out of the fourth division to make the Final 4?

No idea?

That's a bad sign.

That means this character is weak.

Still no idea?

I'll give out the answer then.

TOMMY VERCETTI.
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I'll give out the answer then.

TOMMY VERCETTI.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!1!shift+1!
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Current Sp2K4 Score: 59/64, Next Winner: Super Mario Bros. 3

Could someone please create a petition against divisions grouped by developer? This is the worst possible idea. We have to act fast here, and even though there is little hope affecting a change, I'm not ready to give up.

Points to consider:
1) Incredibly predictable matches
2) Lack of interest due to lack of exciting, inter-company match-ups; it is well known that intra-company match-ups do no generate as much excitement.
3) Large number of blowouts caused by the well-documented Same Fanbase Factor

It would be great if others can list their own points against this so that the petition creator has something to work with.
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smitelf is a far better forecaster of this contest than I could ever hope to be.
I am in awe of her PWNage.

that's logical, slowflake. obviously, you would not have the strongest tournament possible if one of the threats to win division 4 is the character whose main claim to fame is a narrow win over the 10th seeded in the nintendo division.

TOMMY VERCETTI.

If it's Capcom and Konami together, wouldn't it be Mega Man and Snake, with Zero and Shadow close behind? Even Dante would probably beat Vercetti.
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smitelf is a far better forecaster of this contest than I could ever hope to be.
I am in awe of her PWNage.

4) The two non-Square, non-Nintendo divisions would contain extremely weak competitors that are unlikely to generate much interest
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Current Sp2K4 Score: 59/64, Next Winner: Super Mario Bros. 3

Not only that, but his most likely opponents in the division finals would be in the range of Master Chief, Kasumi, KOS-MOS and other stuff.
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Oh, and Ulti should do the petition, of course. It's what we put up with him for.
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Current Sp2K4 Score: 59/64, Next Winner: Super Mario Bros. 3

I said the non-Nintendo/Square/Sega/Capcom/Konami, CN, not the Sega/Capcom/Konami division.
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I think Slow just wanted to scare us. And he did. *trembles*



If this is so, I'll show the board what I've been preparing on the day of this Contest's final. And never come back. :p


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I prefer my sprites to have balls enough to blunder blindly into the enemy, swinging a sword. ~Anfini

Dividing by era again would be a better idea, for Pete's sake. Tidus looks like a demigod compared to Vercetti.

Pick your Final 4!

Link/Crono/Cloud/Tidus

or

Link/Megaman/Cloud/Vercetti
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I said the non-Nintendo/Square/Sega/Capcom/Konami, CN, not the Sega/Capcom/Konami division.

AH, that makes more sense.
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smitelf is a far better forecaster of this contest than I could ever hope to be.
I am in awe of her PWNage.

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Actually, I like the idea of an era-based bracket for the Summer Contest. Sure, it's blatantly skewed towards the 8-bit division, and the 128-bit is filled with complete marshmallows, but hell, it'd be fun. If we divide some noteworthy characters into these divisions...

8-bit: Link, Mario, Mega Man, Samus, Snake, Bowser, Zelda, Alucard, Kirby, Donkey Kong

16-bit: Crono, Magus, Sonic, Zero, Yoshi, Ryu, CATS, Scorpion, Knuckles, Fox

32-64-bit (aka the "FFVII takes a crap on the bracket" division): Cloud, Sephiroth, Aeris, Ganondorf, Squall, Lara Croft, Gordon Freeman, Pikachu, Crash Bandicoot

128-bit division: Tidus, Auron, Yuna, KOS-MOS, Master Chief, Tommy Vercetti, Dante, Shadow the Hedgehog, Tom Nook, and a whole bunch of other crappy characters

Whaddya guys think?
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

CN: You put Shadow with Nintendo.

Phediuk: I think Ganondorf should belong in the 8-bit division, since Ganon and Ganondorf are the same entity. Ganondorf just seems like the more recognizable one to the majority.
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Oops, I have Shadow as Nintendo! Will fix that.
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smitelf is a far better forecaster of this contest than I could ever hope to be.
I am in awe of her PWNage.

any attempt to arbitrarily define brackets will, of necessity, exclude stronger characters, and include weaker. on the plus side, CATS gets in on merit, instead of as a joke!

Here are the 2K3 character rankings by what the divisions are expected to be (Other, Sega/Capcom/Konami, SquareEnix, Nintendo), with their expected % against Link: (I might have misplaced some characters, let me know if I did)


Other

1 | Master Chief | 26.15%
2 | Tommy Vercetti | 25.58%
3 | Scorpion | 24.74%
4 | Sam Fisher | 23.57%
5 | KOS-MOS | 22.96%
6 | Lara Croft | 22.85%
7 | Bomberman | 19.59%
8 | Duke Nukem | 18.46%
9 | Conker | 18.14%
10 | Raziel | 17.90%
11 | Kite | 17.79%
12 | Crash Bandicoot | 17.46%
13 | Max Payne | 17.23%
14 | Gordon Freeman | 15.86%
15 | Pac-Man | 15.78%
16 | CATS | 13.52%
17 | Ratchet | 12.85%
18 | Raiden | 12.29%


Sega/Capcom/Konami

1 | Mega Man | 38.60%
2 | Solid Snake | 35.90%
3 | Sonic the Hedgehog | 34.92%
4 | Shadow the Hedgehog | 34.28%
5 | Zero | 33.28%
6 | Ryu | 30.69%
7 | Dante | 28.23%
8 | Alucard | 27.56%
9 | Knuckles the Echidna | 26.47%
10 | Jill Valentine | 25.38%
11 | Ken | 21.71%
12 | Miles 'Tails' Prower | 20.41%
13 | Vyse | 19.05%
14 | Ryo Hazuki | 12.62%
15 | AiAi | 08.65%


SquareEnix

1 | Cloud Strife | 51.67%
2 | Sephiroth | 49.71%
3 | Crono | 38.14%
4 | Magus | 34.93%
5 | Tidus | 34.25%
6 | Aeris Gainsborough | 32.81%
7 | Squall Leonhart | 31.72%
8 | Auron | 28.73%
9 | Yuna | 23.66%
10 | Ramza Beoulve | 22.31%
11 | Sora | 21.88%
12 | Kefka | 16.08%


Nintendo

1 | Link | 50.00%
2 | Mario | 38.18%
3 | Samus Aran | 37.94%
4 | Ganondorf | 34.72%
5 | Bowser | 30.97%
6 | Zelda | 30.29%
7 | Yoshi | 27.05%
8 | Kirby | 26.34%
9 | Donkey Kong | 25.34%
10 | Luigi | 25.24%
11 | Felix | 24.60%
12 | Wario | 24.07%
13 | Isaac | 18.72%
14 | Fox McCloud | 17.54%
15 | Ness | 15.44%
16 | Pikachu | 10.99%
17 | Tom Nook | 10.82%
18 | Captain Olimar | 08.84%
19 | Mr. Resetti | 08.52%
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smitelf is a far better forecaster of this contest than I could ever hope to be.
I am in awe of her PWNage.

Just about the only good thing that could come out of company brackets is the increased likelihood of Frog making it :( Ugh.

Four more slots for SquareEnix. Nintendo's weak bottom-feeders are gone too. I wonder if he would include Pikachu anyway, because of name-value alone? (I question if Pikachu would really get enough noms to make it; maybe, maybe not)

BTW, does Golden Sun count as Nintendo? Is Ceej going to go by designer or publisher? I'm assuming publisher.
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smitelf is a far better forecaster of this contest than I could ever hope to be.
I am in awe of her PWNage.

Wow, this topic has really exploded. Didn't it only have, what, like 120 posts or so as of last night? In other news, I moved up to 25th place, w00t!
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Contest status: 69/72 points through The Legend of Zelda vs. Tetris.

People why are most of you giving the win to LttP. FF III/VI has a chance let's take a look at this.

In round 1 FF III/VI beat Mortal Kombat 73.08%-26.92%
In SC2K3 Link would've beat Scorpion 75.30%-24.70%

I think that most of us agree that Mortal Kombat > Scorpion, but were not sure by how much. If LttP gets over 52% in it's match and were all saying OoT > LttP and it also means LttP > Link so then unless Cloud is like FF VII >>> Cloud then I think that OoT has this contest won. Does anybody agree with me?
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LUE is a cancer, and if it can't be destroyed, it must be contained. - CjayC
My Score 61/68 LoZ vs. Tetris

Except Mortal Kombat isn't the most popular in the series, and by a long shot. Hell, it's lower than Doom for crying out loud.
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I've pretty much given up on this topic when it comes to anything involving a Zelda game, charmander.
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Current Sp2K4 Score: 63/68, Next Winner: The Legend of Zelda

Wow this topic is moving faster than a fanboy to a rally!

Bring on the rules, Ceej, we must hear your thoughts now!

So far we got the following possibilities:

Brackets by era
Brackets by publisher
Brackets by genre
Brackets by alphabet

Brackets by genre again will be too uneven. Too many RPG and action guys, not enough others and fighters and all that. Would cause problems.

Brackets by era would put all the legends in 2 eras, leading to charges of unevenness, but it could maybe work if seeded right. Though I am not so sure yet...

Brackets by publisher is most intriguing to me.... Obviously Only Square and Nintendo can fill a division alone so those would be 2 divisions easy. The 3rd division would be a good mix of Capcom/Konami/Sega (the 2nd tier) and probably real exciting too and the 4th would be a catch all of places like Midway, Sony, Microsoft, SNK, Namco, etc. Lots to pick from all these places.

Brackets by alphabet would be cheesy. That is all.

I hope and pray CATS dont make it this year...it is a damn waste of a spot. Plenty of other fodder that is more worthy.
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SCK24: 60/68 Trivia XIII: Diehards Forever
Steve Illumina: Standing tall against fanboys for over 20 years

Except Mortal Kombat isn't the most popular in the series, and by a long shot. Hell, it's lower than Doom for crying out loud.

Slow, any of the MK games would beat Doom by 60-40 with ease.

SCK24: 60/68 Trivia XIII: Diehards Forever
Steve Illumina: Standing tall against fanboys for over 20 years

Let's see... *takes out calculator*

Doom would beat MK1 with 50.66% if we go by standings, possible results being more like between 49 and 52%. Now, I don't think there's been any SFF or anything like that in FF6's matches so far, huh?

Now, MK2 or MK3 beating Doom by a good amount, that I could buy.
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Now, MK2 or MK3 beating Doom by a good amount, that I could buy.

You're delusional if you think the GameFAQs population would differentiate between two fighters with the same name to a meaningful extent unless they were pitted against each other (SFF).
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Current Sp2K4 Score: 63/68, Next Winner: The Legend of Zelda

You think the ORIGINAL Street Fighter would've gotten 44% on SMRPG?

I really think Soul Calibur 2 could be a match for Halo and Starcraft, too.
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You think the ORIGINAL Street Fighter would've gotten 44% on SMRPG?

LOL, point taken. But more specifically, Mortal Kombat and MK2 would not likely have a very different fanbase.

I really think Soul Calibur 2 could be a match for Halo and Starcraft, too.

Yes, it could.
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Current Sp2K4 Score: 63/68, Next Winner: The Legend of Zelda

Soul Calibur II would not struggle to beat Starcraft, I think.

And The Legend of Zelda's performance makes me even more confident in it beating SMB3. Almost 74% now. Right about what expectations were, but still quite amazing if you think about it. I mean, it's Tetris, for crying out loud.
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smitelf is a far better forecaster of this contest than I could ever hope to be.
I am in awe of her PWNage.

charmander:
I think that most of us agree that Mortal Kombat > Scorpion, but were not sure by how much. If LttP gets over 52% in it's match and were all saying OoT > LttP and it also means LttP > Link so then unless Cloud is like FF VII >>> Cloud then I think that OoT has this contest won. Does anybody agree with me?

Games will tend to be stronger than characters. I would think that Final Fantasy VII would be much stronger than Sephiroth in 2K2, but I don't know about how much stronger it is than Cloud in 2K3. But if Final Fantasy VI does fail to get 40% on A Link to the Past, that bodes very well for Ocarina of Time in its match against Final Fantasy VII. Though I still wouldn't take anything for granted, since Final Fantasy VII will be much stronger than Final Fantasy VI; the difference will be significantly greater than that between OoT and ALttP, I would think.

And I've always said that Final Fantasy VI's victory over Mortal Kombat was more impressive than people gave it credit for. Though, Doom doing even better than Mortal Kombat doesn't help my position there.

smitelf:
Mortal Kombat and MK2 would not likely have a very different fanbase.

I agree with this statement, and must necessarily bow down to your PWNage yet again.
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smitelf is a far better forecaster of this contest than I could ever hope to be.
I am in awe of her PWNage.

And I've always said that Final Fantasy VI's victory over Mortal Kombat was more impressive than people gave it credit for. Though, Doom doing even better than Mortal Kombat doesn't help my position there.

I think this is just indicative of a general tendency to underestimate PC games on this board and, particularly, in this thread. Doom is no pushover game. Everyone has heard of Doom. Before GTA3, it was the media's embodiment of entertainment evil, just like Dungeons and Dragons before it.
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Current Sp2K4 Score: 63/68, Next Winner: The Legend of Zelda

I keep hearing about this media villification of Dungeons & Dragons (especially through the famous parody), but I don't recall ever actually hearing such a thing. I don't remember ever hearing D&D mentioned by the media. When was this a "hot" issue?
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smitelf is a far better forecaster of this contest than I could ever hope to be.
I am in awe of her PWNage.

When was this a "hot" issue?

a long, long time ago. i think the 80s...

ok, i went right to the source [chick, natch] and found that the furor began even a little earlier than that - looks like late 70s:

http://www.chick.com/articles/dnd.asp

I remember the 80's but didn't ever hear anything about that. The 70's were before my time though.

You know, I just thought of something. Is it actually possible that more brackets had The Legend of Zelda winning the 8 bit division that SMB3? That would be shocking given how massive a favorite SMB3 was among the experts.

I always figured that match was a place where the expert syndrome might strike hard, but I thought SMB3 would be the clear favorite among the brackets as well. That might not be the case.
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smitelf is a far better forecaster of this contest than I could ever hope to be.
I am in awe of her PWNage.

You know, I just thought of something. Is it actually possible that more brackets had The Legend of Zelda winning the 8 bit division that SMB3? That would be shocking given how massive a favorite SMB3 was among the experts.

Based on the number of predictions that had Link winning last year, a lot of the people who sent in a bracket looked at the previous contest when making their decsions. I would assumine they did the same for this contest even if this wasn't ga game contest. SMB3 and LoZ are pretty old, so many people don't know just how popular they are. All things being equal, Link decimated Mario in 2k2 and got furthur in 2k3 than Mario did. If the voters think the same way, Mario 3 is screwed.

Something of interest:
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=912&topic=10764262

Based on this, Contra is indeed stronger than Metroid. Not only that, Contra is only slightly less powerful than Final Fantasy. But in the contest, Final Fantasy turned out to be considerably more powerful.
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''Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts...''
''All dreams are but another reality. Never forget...''

And The Legend of Zelda's performance makes me even more confident in it beating SMB3. Almost 74% now. Right about what expectations were, but still quite amazing if you think about it. I mean, it's Tetris, for crying out loud.


Let us consider for a moment, Tetris is the defining puzzle game. A million years from now my great great... great grandson will be playing Tetris. But how good is it? I mean, it is a good game, fun to play after so many years of mastery, but how good is it? If you were to name the 5 best games that you've played without seriously thinking about it, I doubt Tetris'd be a part of that list, and have doubts it'd be there even if you did think. Right now, LoZ = SMB3 with these results.

cn, Raiden is from Konami.

Also, why not throw in 2k2 characters? Some of them are more deserving of the spot anyway (Strider, for god's sake!)
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And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow

And Aya, and Morrigan, and Kasumi.

Dang, all the females who did relatively well got the shaft.
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