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Contest Stats & Discussion - Part 18
From: Tarrot
| Posted: 5/23/2004 12:14:49 AM | Message Detail
Well, look at it's competition. Vice City, MGS2, and SW:KotOR. Still, it's almost as suprising as SC being at 15%.
From: Starion
| Posted: 5/23/2004 12:16:11 AM | Message Detail
You said it yourself. The result tends to be clustered. However, unless
that group ends up right at the top of the leaderboard people will not
be satisfied.
I'm not knocking your methods. Thanks to you and the other experts here, my scores have improved when compared to the past contests. However, it still isn't good enough.
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Nominate Death for the 2004 Character Contest
I'm not knocking your methods. Thanks to you and the other experts here, my scores have improved when compared to the past contests. However, it still isn't good enough.
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Nominate Death for the 2004 Character Contest
From: lefthando
| Posted: 5/23/2004 12:16:19 AM | Message Detail
wow
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If you don't have one of these it makes it very hard to post some things
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If you don't have one of these it makes it very hard to post some things
From: Haste2
| Posted: 5/23/2004 12:21:09 AM | Message Detail
SMB3 is below 65%...
Well, that pretty much proves that SFF occured in Super Mario Bros. 3 vs. Metroid. I was hoping SMB3 was that much of a powerhouse, but...too bad.
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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."
Well, that pretty much proves that SFF occured in Super Mario Bros. 3 vs. Metroid. I was hoping SMB3 was that much of a powerhouse, but...too bad.
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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."
From: King Morgoth
| Posted: 5/23/2004 12:25:01 AM | Message Detail
More people had Starcraft beating Halo than SSB:Melee going to the sweet 16...
O_o
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"Everything gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost"
O_o
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"Everything gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost"
From: Heroic Mario
| Posted: 5/23/2004 12:26:28 AM | Message Detail
Well, that pretty much proves that SFF occured in Super Mario Bros.
3 vs. Metroid. I was hoping SMB3 was that much of a powerhouse,
but...too bad.
Are you kidding me? We aren`t even 30 minutes into the match and haven`t gotten close to morning. Come that time Mario 3 is going to definitely jump up in percentage.
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Nintendo® - We Make Games Worth Playing
We all need to encourage people who are currently non-gamers to start playing.
Are you kidding me? We aren`t even 30 minutes into the match and haven`t gotten close to morning. Come that time Mario 3 is going to definitely jump up in percentage.
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Nintendo® - We Make Games Worth Playing
We all need to encourage people who are currently non-gamers to start playing.
From: Ngamer64
| Posted: 5/23/2004 12:39:45 AM | Message Detail
Going to post the Guru results after two full rounds, but before then,
I'm afraid I'll have to draw your attention to the newest Top 50. As we
all saw, smitelf went with Vice City last night, and so was dropped
from the listing... but fortunately for us, one new Guru stepped up, to
keep us at 3 out of the 50.
1 The Return 64 Final Fantasy VII
2 Saitou7777 64 Super Mario Bros. 3
3 leet g33k 63 The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
4 willyman76 62 The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
5 SlangEdter41 62 The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
6 Raistlin187 62 Final Fantasy III (VI)
7 Dont Tread On ME 62 Final Fantasy VII
8 CounterCloud 62 Super Mario Bros. 3
9 Bananaquest 61 Final Fantasy VII
10 tempoblade 61 Final Fantasy VII
11 LordOfDabu 61 Chrono Trigger
12 alpha door 61 Final Fantasy VII
13 PerfectDemon 61 Super Mario Bros. 3
14 UltimaterializerX 61 Final Fantasy VII
15 FrostHarpy 61 Chrono Trigger
16 PepeCamello 61 Final Fantasy VII
17 kaonashi1 61 Final Fantasy VII
18 Modest Morte 61 Final Fantasy III (VI)
19 usefulidiot 61 Final Fantasy VII
20 SSJGasSnake 61 The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
21 Roving Vagrant 61 Final Fantasy VII
22 HoratioQHornblower 61 Final Fantasy VII
23 SecondBest 61 Final Fantasy VII
24 Kirin17 61 Final Fantasy VII
25 Delpheous2003 61 Final Fantasy VII
26 Aprosenf 61 The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
27 Topdogg48067 61 Final Fantasy VII
28 Dralor 61 Final Fantasy VII
29 Vortyx 61 Final Fantasy VII
30 duilio9z 61 Final Fantasy VII
31 CloudsShinji 61 Final Fantasy III (VI)
32 Sins Tox1n 61 Final Fantasy VII
33 Bejita San 61 Chrono Trigger
34 TrunksMagusDante 60 Final Fantasy VII
35 leonlai86 60 Final Fantasy VII
36 Ngamer64 60 The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (!!!!!!!! w00t !!!!!!!!)
37 AlliterationMan 60 Final Fantasy VII
Yup, life-time goal = achieved. Even better, I think I should remain up there straight through to the 128 matchups in Round 3, assuming Mario World can't pull off the big upset. Whoo!
But now, take a look at the way things have turned out between us Gurus, following the major shakeup that was Prime/Wind Waker. (shockingly, only 22% of brackets were smart enough to take Melee yesterday... the result was no surprise to us, though, as we favored it with a full 93%!)
The Guru Scoreboard
1st Bananaquest 61
1st UltimaterializerX 61
3rd Ngamer 60
4th smitelf 59
4th Ncrdrg 59
4th neoatomtaco 59
4th Shake 59
4th Xuxon 59
4th Team Rocket Elite 59
10th IMAP 58
10th King Morgoth 58
10th StopPokingMe 58
10th red sox 777 58
10th nh82 58
10th FastFalcon 58
10th swirldude 58
10th Yesmar 58
10th creativename 58
19th Sephirot 57
19th Haste2 57
19th Starion 57
19th Heroic Mario 57
19th solarshadow 57
19th cyko 57
19th Z1mZum 57
19th charmander 57
27th Sir Chris 56
28th torey luvullo 55
29th ChichiriMuyo 54
30th Ringworm 53
31st DomaDragoon 50
I was surprised to see that both of my former score-buddies went with Prime, leaving me all alone in the newly opened #3 position. Major log jam back in the 58 and 57 range... hopefully we'll be able to break that up some more in the coming round. Now let's check how we're comparing to the general brackets.
Avg Guru Score: 57.48%
Avg Overall Score: 45.86%
And the Expert Gap widens...
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the-elite.net
Guru Rankings: geocities.com/cyber1166/gamefaqs/ContestGurus.xls
The Contest Archives: http://geocities.com/cyber1166/gamefaqs
1 The Return 64 Final Fantasy VII
2 Saitou7777 64 Super Mario Bros. 3
3 leet g33k 63 The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
4 willyman76 62 The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
5 SlangEdter41 62 The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
6 Raistlin187 62 Final Fantasy III (VI)
7 Dont Tread On ME 62 Final Fantasy VII
8 CounterCloud 62 Super Mario Bros. 3
9 Bananaquest 61 Final Fantasy VII
10 tempoblade 61 Final Fantasy VII
11 LordOfDabu 61 Chrono Trigger
12 alpha door 61 Final Fantasy VII
13 PerfectDemon 61 Super Mario Bros. 3
14 UltimaterializerX 61 Final Fantasy VII
15 FrostHarpy 61 Chrono Trigger
16 PepeCamello 61 Final Fantasy VII
17 kaonashi1 61 Final Fantasy VII
18 Modest Morte 61 Final Fantasy III (VI)
19 usefulidiot 61 Final Fantasy VII
20 SSJGasSnake 61 The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
21 Roving Vagrant 61 Final Fantasy VII
22 HoratioQHornblower 61 Final Fantasy VII
23 SecondBest 61 Final Fantasy VII
24 Kirin17 61 Final Fantasy VII
25 Delpheous2003 61 Final Fantasy VII
26 Aprosenf 61 The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
27 Topdogg48067 61 Final Fantasy VII
28 Dralor 61 Final Fantasy VII
29 Vortyx 61 Final Fantasy VII
30 duilio9z 61 Final Fantasy VII
31 CloudsShinji 61 Final Fantasy III (VI)
32 Sins Tox1n 61 Final Fantasy VII
33 Bejita San 61 Chrono Trigger
34 TrunksMagusDante 60 Final Fantasy VII
35 leonlai86 60 Final Fantasy VII
36 Ngamer64 60 The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (!!!!!!!! w00t !!!!!!!!)
37 AlliterationMan 60 Final Fantasy VII
Yup, life-time goal = achieved. Even better, I think I should remain up there straight through to the 128 matchups in Round 3, assuming Mario World can't pull off the big upset. Whoo!
But now, take a look at the way things have turned out between us Gurus, following the major shakeup that was Prime/Wind Waker. (shockingly, only 22% of brackets were smart enough to take Melee yesterday... the result was no surprise to us, though, as we favored it with a full 93%!)
The Guru Scoreboard
1st Bananaquest 61
1st UltimaterializerX 61
3rd Ngamer 60
4th smitelf 59
4th Ncrdrg 59
4th neoatomtaco 59
4th Shake 59
4th Xuxon 59
4th Team Rocket Elite 59
10th IMAP 58
10th King Morgoth 58
10th StopPokingMe 58
10th red sox 777 58
10th nh82 58
10th FastFalcon 58
10th swirldude 58
10th Yesmar 58
10th creativename 58
19th Sephirot 57
19th Haste2 57
19th Starion 57
19th Heroic Mario 57
19th solarshadow 57
19th cyko 57
19th Z1mZum 57
19th charmander 57
27th Sir Chris 56
28th torey luvullo 55
29th ChichiriMuyo 54
30th Ringworm 53
31st DomaDragoon 50
I was surprised to see that both of my former score-buddies went with Prime, leaving me all alone in the newly opened #3 position. Major log jam back in the 58 and 57 range... hopefully we'll be able to break that up some more in the coming round. Now let's check how we're comparing to the general brackets.
Avg Guru Score: 57.48%
Avg Overall Score: 45.86%
And the Expert Gap widens...
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the-elite.net
Guru Rankings: geocities.com/cyber1166/gamefaqs/ContestGurus.xls
The Contest Archives: http://geocities.com/cyber1166/gamefaqs
From: Mac Arrowny
| Posted: 5/23/2004 12:50:36 AM | Message Detail
Outside of the board, the overwhelming favorite could easily have
been Vice City. But we`ll have to wait to see the percentage for the
match. If Vice City`s prediction percentage is anywhere above 50%, then
I believe that alone proves that Vice City was a damned strong game in
this contest. Hell, it was predicted by nearly 80% of people to take
down KOTOR in a match that had upset written all over it. Vice City,
while being a game I cannot stand, is very strong in a contest setting.
Why does prediction percentage have anything to do with strength? As I recall, Master Chief and Vercetti were both among the top 8 picks to win last year, and they performed pathetically. All that high prediction percentage means is that lots of people think that they're popular.
And yes, SSBM was underestimated by this board.
Huh? Most everyone picked it to win, and with a greater percentage than it did, in its first and second round matches. I would definitely call that overestimation, not underestimation.
Why does prediction percentage have anything to do with strength? As I recall, Master Chief and Vercetti were both among the top 8 picks to win last year, and they performed pathetically. All that high prediction percentage means is that lots of people think that they're popular.
And yes, SSBM was underestimated by this board.
Huh? Most everyone picked it to win, and with a greater percentage than it did, in its first and second round matches. I would definitely call that overestimation, not underestimation.
From: andaca
| Posted: 5/23/2004 12:58:08 AM | Message Detail
Still amazed at only 22 percent...I don't think anyone thoght the
percentage would have been that low. I guess that Vice City had a heck
of a lot of support behind it. In a way, this makes me more confident
in SSBM - if it strong enough to win rounds where its bracket
percentage is that low, then next round could bode well for it.
On a related note, i checked my bracket to ogle the pretty colors (Oooooo......) and suddenly realized i have FF3 winning next round....which means my hopes of sneaking onto the leaderboard this contest now rest entirely on an upset of epic proportions. Great.
Kudos to all of those on the board at the moment - you're doing us all proud.
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SP2k4C : Winner - Chrono Trigger
On a related note, i checked my bracket to ogle the pretty colors (Oooooo......) and suddenly realized i have FF3 winning next round....which means my hopes of sneaking onto the leaderboard this contest now rest entirely on an upset of epic proportions. Great.
Kudos to all of those on the board at the moment - you're doing us all proud.
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SP2k4C : Winner - Chrono Trigger
From: andaca
| Posted: 5/23/2004 1:05:35 AM | Message Detail
Hypothetical question.
Assume both Starcraft and SSBM win their next round matchups, putting them in the division finals. Does anyone dispute the fact that no matter which of the two won the match, it would be the least predicted match in any of the three contests?
Remember folks - a vote for SSBM and Starcraft is a vote for anarchy.
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SP2k4C : Winner - Chrono Trigger
Assume both Starcraft and SSBM win their next round matchups, putting them in the division finals. Does anyone dispute the fact that no matter which of the two won the match, it would be the least predicted match in any of the three contests?
Remember folks - a vote for SSBM and Starcraft is a vote for anarchy.
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SP2k4C : Winner - Chrono Trigger
From: nh82
| Posted: 5/23/2004 3:01:18 AM | Message Detail
I just had an interesting few minutes checking my bracket (have been
far too lazy to do it without all the colours doing the thinking for
me!)... and I was most surprised to see I have WW winning the 128
division.
I watched all this 'Zelda Final Four' hype that went on during the second round with a kind of dispassionate removal, thinking that I had FFX beating WW in the division final. Now I suddenly find myself agreeing with all those I shook my head at so disdainfully just last week.
How I love bias. ;)
But seriously, I'm now fairly conflicted. I have WW>FFX and FF7>OoT (neither of which represent my own opinions or votes, I must add). At the moment, they're pretty much both a coin toss... but is it just one coin toss extended over two matches, or are they two entirely unrelated coin tosses?
What I'm saying, in a metaphor-stretching way, is that are we tossing one big coin that has "Zelda" on one side and "FF" on the other? Or could we see one zelda progress and one FF?
Rereading this I realise it does sound like I'm talking a lot of rubbish, but I think my point just about gets across through the mess. Let this be a warning to all: too much thermodynamics leads to ill-thought-out over-extended-metaphors and unnecessary-hyphen-usage.
:D
Oh and great guru stats Ngamer! I just worked out I (and all the other gurus stuck at 58) am in the top 0.01% of the contest, which makes me feel all special inside. Shame I'll probably never make the leaderboard, though. Too many first round mistakes. Thought I'd make up for it with a perfect second round, but I missed *one* match. No prizes for guessing which, though!
I watched all this 'Zelda Final Four' hype that went on during the second round with a kind of dispassionate removal, thinking that I had FFX beating WW in the division final. Now I suddenly find myself agreeing with all those I shook my head at so disdainfully just last week.
How I love bias. ;)
But seriously, I'm now fairly conflicted. I have WW>FFX and FF7>OoT (neither of which represent my own opinions or votes, I must add). At the moment, they're pretty much both a coin toss... but is it just one coin toss extended over two matches, or are they two entirely unrelated coin tosses?
What I'm saying, in a metaphor-stretching way, is that are we tossing one big coin that has "Zelda" on one side and "FF" on the other? Or could we see one zelda progress and one FF?
Rereading this I realise it does sound like I'm talking a lot of rubbish, but I think my point just about gets across through the mess. Let this be a warning to all: too much thermodynamics leads to ill-thought-out over-extended-metaphors and unnecessary-hyphen-usage.
:D
Oh and great guru stats Ngamer! I just worked out I (and all the other gurus stuck at 58) am in the top 0.01% of the contest, which makes me feel all special inside. Shame I'll probably never make the leaderboard, though. Too many first round mistakes. Thought I'd make up for it with a perfect second round, but I missed *one* match. No prizes for guessing which, though!
From: Slowflake
| Posted: 5/23/2004 4:10:22 AM | Message Detail
Every match is different. FF7/OoT may not end the same as WW/FF10,
because although franchise vote is important against jobbers, when two
big names encounter, it goes out of the window and we can get different
results for two matches featuring the same series. Zelda/Metroid anyone?
Hey, SMB3's doing well for now, but its percentage is sliding. Is it gonna stop with the morning vote, or is it really pulling a Luigi (against Ratchet, not Squall, of course)?
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 055/062 --- Matches: 41/47 --- Rank: 00971/40940 --- Today's pick: SSBM
Hey, SMB3's doing well for now, but its percentage is sliding. Is it gonna stop with the morning vote, or is it really pulling a Luigi (against Ratchet, not Squall, of course)?
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 055/062 --- Matches: 41/47 --- Rank: 00971/40940 --- Today's pick: SSBM
From: Slowflake
| Posted: 5/23/2004 4:14:09 AM | Message Detail
And only 22% of the brackets had SSBM winning? That's less than Magus,
too! And I think it pretty much affected people of all scores, save for
the two perfects: I gained 500 places, and when in the top 1000 that's
really uncommon.
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 057/064 --- Matches: 42/48 --- Rank: 00471/40940 --- Today's pick: SMB3
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 057/064 --- Matches: 42/48 --- Rank: 00471/40940 --- Today's pick: SMB3
From: Cactrot
| Posted: 5/23/2004 4:38:25 AM | Message Detail
What about the possibility of a Starcraft-Wind Waker upset? Starcraft
is obviously a dark horse, and while WW is a Zelda game, it's also the
black sheep of the family. It didn't exactly blow away Metroid Prime.
On the other hand, the match picture will surely go in WW's favor.
I am not saying it is likely, but there is a lingering possibility of SC actually beating WW. Discuss?
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Yans, Shmans... Watch out for the spiky green cactus man!
I am not saying it is likely, but there is a lingering possibility of SC actually beating WW. Discuss?
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Yans, Shmans... Watch out for the spiky green cactus man!
From: UltimaterializerX
| Posted: 5/23/2004 4:39:20 AM | Message Detail
I cannot get over how people (not just you) can hold the
extrapolated performance evaluation method in contempt, or dispagarge
it in any way. Just how much does it need to prove itself to be an
extremely powerful tool?
We`d need to see a perfect bracket based off of someone going solely by the numbers.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
I would like to take this moment to politely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf
We`d need to see a perfect bracket based off of someone going solely by the numbers.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
I would like to take this moment to politely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf
From: UltimaterializerX
| Posted: 5/23/2004 4:46:07 AM | Message Detail
*reads the other topic*
You know Slowflake, I wasn`t trying to personally attack you or anything. I might have read your posts the wrong way, but making a comment about how I need to be spoonfed? You`re above that. Way above that.
And I worded that one post wrong. I meant to say that if SSBM had a low percentage, then Vice City was a strong game in this contest. And I still believe this to be true. 22% picked SSBM to get that far. That is absolutely insane, and as a result, I jumped all the way from 26th to 14th on the leaderboard.
*wonders if anyone above me was silly enough to pick Final Fantasy or Tetris*
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
I would like to take this moment to politely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf
You know Slowflake, I wasn`t trying to personally attack you or anything. I might have read your posts the wrong way, but making a comment about how I need to be spoonfed? You`re above that. Way above that.
And I worded that one post wrong. I meant to say that if SSBM had a low percentage, then Vice City was a strong game in this contest. And I still believe this to be true. 22% picked SSBM to get that far. That is absolutely insane, and as a result, I jumped all the way from 26th to 14th on the leaderboard.
*wonders if anyone above me was silly enough to pick Final Fantasy or Tetris*
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
I would like to take this moment to politely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf
From: UltimaterializerX
| Posted: 5/23/2004 4:49:59 AM | Message Detail
Hey, does anyone have a link to our guru leaderboard?
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
I would like to take this moment to politely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
I would like to take this moment to politely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf
From: UltimaterializerX
| Posted: 5/23/2004 4:56:27 AM | Message Detail
Never mind, I found it. Good to know that Bananaquest and I don`t have
the exact same bracket. He has FF6 beating LTTP (you have some guts, my
friend) and FFX in the Final Four, while I have LTTP winning the former
match and SSBM in the Final Four.
This could get mighty interesting, and I`m damned happy to see that a lot of people have FF6 beating LTTP. Not saying that FF6 will beat LTTP, but it`s good to know that LTTP isn`t invincible. Then again, does today`s matchup show a Mario weakness? 60-40 on Final Fantasy isn`t that good if you ask me, though I might be wrong. But I`m telling you right now, if Zelda 1 flattens Tetris, I`ll get scurrd.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
I would like to take this moment to politely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf
This could get mighty interesting, and I`m damned happy to see that a lot of people have FF6 beating LTTP. Not saying that FF6 will beat LTTP, but it`s good to know that LTTP isn`t invincible. Then again, does today`s matchup show a Mario weakness? 60-40 on Final Fantasy isn`t that good if you ask me, though I might be wrong. But I`m telling you right now, if Zelda 1 flattens Tetris, I`ll get scurrd.
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Married to smitelf on 5/21/04
I would like to take this moment to politely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf
From: irriadin
| Posted: 5/23/2004 5:44:17 AM | Message Detail
I'm on the top 50 :)
Anyway, I don't like SMB3's courrent performance against FF. It scares me very much for it's next match against Zelda. I'd like to see it get 65% to 35% on Final Fantasy.
It must be all the franchise voters...
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Current Score: 60/64 Ranked: 41st
Today's Pick: SMB3 over FF
Anyway, I don't like SMB3's courrent performance against FF. It scares me very much for it's next match against Zelda. I'd like to see it get 65% to 35% on Final Fantasy.
It must be all the franchise voters...
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Current Score: 60/64 Ranked: 41st
Today's Pick: SMB3 over FF
From: Seijun
| Posted: 5/23/2004 5:48:29 AM | Message Detail
But I`m telling you right now, if Zelda 1 flattens Tetris, I`ll get scurrd.
What if Tetris pulls a Squall and somehow beats LoZ? >>
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The last thing I see in my lifetime is that fixed smile crawling out of the television, as my brain explodes into tiny, sobbing pieces.
-Videogame Recaps
What if Tetris pulls a Squall and somehow beats LoZ? >>
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The last thing I see in my lifetime is that fixed smile crawling out of the television, as my brain explodes into tiny, sobbing pieces.
-Videogame Recaps
From: charmander6000
| Posted: 5/23/2004 5:59:08 AM | Message Detail
I have alot of things to post since it's the end of round 2, but here it goes
All Time Records
Top 10 Biggest Blowouts (difference in percentage)
1) 90.40% - Legend of Zelda vs. Adventure (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
2) 84.60% - Mega Man vs. Ms. Pac-Man (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
3) 83.68% - Mega Man vs. Serious Sam (II) from 2002 Summer Contest
4) 82.70% - Link vs. AiAi (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
5) 82.30% - Legend of Zelda: LTTP vs. Gunstar Heroes (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
6) 77.92% - Mega Man vs. Mr. Resetti (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
7) 76.84% - Mario vs. Captain Olimar (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
8) 75.42% - Sephiroth vs. Gabe Logan (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
9) 75.28% - Final Fantasy vs. Pitfall (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
10) 74.08% - Legend of Zelda vs. Donkey Kong (II) from 2004 Spring Contest
Top 10 Biggest Vote Gaps (difference in votes)
1) 88208 - Legend of Zelda vs. Adventure (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
2) 84196 - Link vs. AiAi (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
3) 80505 - Mega Man vs. Mr. Resetti (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
4) 79918 - Cloud Strife vs. CATS (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
5) 78272 - Legend of Zelda: LTTP vs. Gunstar Heroes (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
6) 77511 - Mario vs. Captain Olimar (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
7) 76348 - Final Fantasy 7 vs. Suikoden 2 (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
8) 74682 - Final Fantasy vs. Pitfall (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
9) 73838 - Crono vs. Tom Nook (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
10) 70809 - Sephiroth vs. Max Payne (II) from 2003 Summer Contest
Top 10 Closest Matches (difference in percentage)
1) 0.04% - Samus Aran vs. Sonic the Hedgehog (III) from 2002 Summer Contest
1) 0.04% - Metal Gear Solid vs. Final Fantasy Tactics (II) from 2004 Spring Contest
3) 0.10% - Mario vs. Crono (V) from 2002 Summer Contest
4) 0.10% - Mario vs. Crono (III) from 2003 Summer Contest
5) 0.14% - Donkey Kong vs. Duck Hunt (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
6) 0.22% - Mario vs. Cloud Strife (IV) from 2002 Summer Contest
7) 0.34% - Starcraft vs. Halo (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
8) 0.60% - Magus vs. Ganondorf (II) from 2003 Summer Contest
9) 0.96% - Tommy Vercetti vs. Donkey Kong (II) from 2003 Summer Contest
10) 1.02% - Sephiroth vs. Mega Man (III) from 2002 Summer Contest
Top 10 Smallest Vote Gaps (difference in votes)
1) 34 - Samus Aran vs. Sonic the Hedgehog (III) from 2002 Summer Contest
2) 38 - Metal Gear Solid vs. Final Fantasy Tactics (II) from 2004 Spring Contest
3) 115 - Mario vs. Crono (V) from 2002 Summer Contest
4) 137 - Mario vs. Crono (III) from 2003 Summer Contest
5) 143 - Donkey Kong vs. Duck Hunt (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
6) 277 - Mario vs. Cloud Strife (IV) from 2002 Summer Contest
7) 373 - Starcraft vs. Halo (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
8) 650 - Magus vs. Ganondorf (II) from 2003 Summer Contest
9) 968 - Tommy Vercetti vs. Donkey Kong (II) from 2003 Summer Contest
10) 987 - Sephiroth vs. Mega Man (III) from 2002 Summer Contest
Top 10 Most Popular Polls (by vote totals)
1) 147637 - Cloud Strife vs. Link (V) from 2003 Summer Contest
2) 133005 - Mario vs. Crono (III) from 2003 Summer Contest
3) 129703 - Mario vs. Cloud Strife (IV) from 2002 Summer Contest
4) 124443 - Cloud Strife vs. Sephiroth (VI) from 2003 Summer Contest
5) 124192 - Sephiroth vs. Mega Man (V) from 2003 Summer Contest
6) 123587 - Sephiroth vs. Mario (IV) from 2003 Summer Contest
7) 118961 - Mega Man vs. Solid Snake (IV) from 2003 Summer Contest
8) 116190 - Squall Leonhart vs. Luigi (II) from 2003 Summer Contest
9) 115738 - Ganondorf vs. Tidus (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
10) 113881 - Zelda vs. Lara Croft (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
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LUE is a cancer, and if it can't be destroyed, it must be contained. - CjayC
My Score 57/64 SMB3 vs. FF
All Time Records
Top 10 Biggest Blowouts (difference in percentage)
1) 90.40% - Legend of Zelda vs. Adventure (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
2) 84.60% - Mega Man vs. Ms. Pac-Man (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
3) 83.68% - Mega Man vs. Serious Sam (II) from 2002 Summer Contest
4) 82.70% - Link vs. AiAi (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
5) 82.30% - Legend of Zelda: LTTP vs. Gunstar Heroes (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
6) 77.92% - Mega Man vs. Mr. Resetti (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
7) 76.84% - Mario vs. Captain Olimar (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
8) 75.42% - Sephiroth vs. Gabe Logan (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
9) 75.28% - Final Fantasy vs. Pitfall (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
10) 74.08% - Legend of Zelda vs. Donkey Kong (II) from 2004 Spring Contest
Top 10 Biggest Vote Gaps (difference in votes)
1) 88208 - Legend of Zelda vs. Adventure (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
2) 84196 - Link vs. AiAi (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
3) 80505 - Mega Man vs. Mr. Resetti (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
4) 79918 - Cloud Strife vs. CATS (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
5) 78272 - Legend of Zelda: LTTP vs. Gunstar Heroes (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
6) 77511 - Mario vs. Captain Olimar (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
7) 76348 - Final Fantasy 7 vs. Suikoden 2 (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
8) 74682 - Final Fantasy vs. Pitfall (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
9) 73838 - Crono vs. Tom Nook (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
10) 70809 - Sephiroth vs. Max Payne (II) from 2003 Summer Contest
Top 10 Closest Matches (difference in percentage)
1) 0.04% - Samus Aran vs. Sonic the Hedgehog (III) from 2002 Summer Contest
1) 0.04% - Metal Gear Solid vs. Final Fantasy Tactics (II) from 2004 Spring Contest
3) 0.10% - Mario vs. Crono (V) from 2002 Summer Contest
4) 0.10% - Mario vs. Crono (III) from 2003 Summer Contest
5) 0.14% - Donkey Kong vs. Duck Hunt (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
6) 0.22% - Mario vs. Cloud Strife (IV) from 2002 Summer Contest
7) 0.34% - Starcraft vs. Halo (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
8) 0.60% - Magus vs. Ganondorf (II) from 2003 Summer Contest
9) 0.96% - Tommy Vercetti vs. Donkey Kong (II) from 2003 Summer Contest
10) 1.02% - Sephiroth vs. Mega Man (III) from 2002 Summer Contest
Top 10 Smallest Vote Gaps (difference in votes)
1) 34 - Samus Aran vs. Sonic the Hedgehog (III) from 2002 Summer Contest
2) 38 - Metal Gear Solid vs. Final Fantasy Tactics (II) from 2004 Spring Contest
3) 115 - Mario vs. Crono (V) from 2002 Summer Contest
4) 137 - Mario vs. Crono (III) from 2003 Summer Contest
5) 143 - Donkey Kong vs. Duck Hunt (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
6) 277 - Mario vs. Cloud Strife (IV) from 2002 Summer Contest
7) 373 - Starcraft vs. Halo (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
8) 650 - Magus vs. Ganondorf (II) from 2003 Summer Contest
9) 968 - Tommy Vercetti vs. Donkey Kong (II) from 2003 Summer Contest
10) 987 - Sephiroth vs. Mega Man (III) from 2002 Summer Contest
Top 10 Most Popular Polls (by vote totals)
1) 147637 - Cloud Strife vs. Link (V) from 2003 Summer Contest
2) 133005 - Mario vs. Crono (III) from 2003 Summer Contest
3) 129703 - Mario vs. Cloud Strife (IV) from 2002 Summer Contest
4) 124443 - Cloud Strife vs. Sephiroth (VI) from 2003 Summer Contest
5) 124192 - Sephiroth vs. Mega Man (V) from 2003 Summer Contest
6) 123587 - Sephiroth vs. Mario (IV) from 2003 Summer Contest
7) 118961 - Mega Man vs. Solid Snake (IV) from 2003 Summer Contest
8) 116190 - Squall Leonhart vs. Luigi (II) from 2003 Summer Contest
9) 115738 - Ganondorf vs. Tidus (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
10) 113881 - Zelda vs. Lara Croft (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
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LUE is a cancer, and if it can't be destroyed, it must be contained. - CjayC
My Score 57/64 SMB3 vs. FF
From: charmander6000
| Posted: 5/23/2004 5:59:29 AM | Message Detail
Top 10 Least Popular Polls (by vote totals)
1) 50816 - Max Payne vs. Dirk the Daring (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
2) 51889 - Pac-Man vs. Kyo Kusanagi (II) from 2002 Summer Contest
3) 52419 - Bomberman vs. Kane (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
4) 52618 - Donkey Kong vs. Bub (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
5) 52874 - Duke Nukem vs. Iori Yagami (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
6) 53213 - Mario vs. Servbot (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
7) 53920 - Kyo Kusanagi vs. Abe (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
8) 54997 - Serious Sam vs. Mr. Driller (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
9) 55392 - Ryo Hazuki vs. Guybrush Threepwood (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
10) 56361 - Tina Armstrong vs. Gordon Freeman (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
Top 10 Highest Individual Votes
1) 94086 - Cloud Strife (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
2) 92998 - Link (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
3) 92894 - Legend of Zelda (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
4) 91905 - Mega Man (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
5) 91749 - Final Fantasy 7 (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
6) 90364 - Sephiroth (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
7) 89595 - Sephiroth (II) from 2003 Summer Contest
8) 89189 - Mario (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
9) 88469 - Crono (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
10) 86938 - Final Fantasy (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
Top 10 Lowest Individual Votes
1) 4686 - Adventure (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
2) 5257 - Ms. Pac-Man (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
3) 5414 - Serious Sam (II) from 2002 Summer Contest
4) 8418 - Gunstar Heroes (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
5) 8602 - Gabe Logan (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
6) 8802 - AiAi (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
7) 9559 - Donkey Kong (II) from 2004 Spring Contest
8) 11076 - Little Mac (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
9) 11145 - CATS (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
10) 11292 - Pitfall Harry (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
Top 10 Most Impressive Losers (by votes)
1) 71438 - Link (V) from 2003 Summer Contest
2) 66434 - Crono (III) from 2003 Summer Contest
3) 64713 - Cloud Strife (IV) from 2002 Summer Contest
4) 59865 - Sephiroth (VI) from 2003 Summer Contest
5) 57078 - Tidus (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
6) 56258 - Halo (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
7) 55322 - Solid Snake (IV) from 2003 Summer Contest
8) 54529 - Ganondorf (II) from 2003 Summer Contest
9) 53716 - Crono (V) from 2002 Summer Contest
10) 50457 - Donkey Kong (II) from 2003 Summer Contest
Top 10 Least Impressive Winners (by votes)
1) 30662 - Strider Hiryu (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
2) 30711 - Pikachu (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
3) 31160 - Kyo Kusanagi (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
4) 31798 - Donkey Kong (II) from 2002 Summer Contest
5) 32301 - Serious Sam (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
6) 32602 - Donkey Kong (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
7) 32607 - Pac-Man (II) from 2002 Summer Contest
8) 33160 - Duke Nukem (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
9) 33516 - Alucard (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
10) 33602 - Sonic the Hedgehog (II) from 2002 Summer Contest
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LUE is a cancer, and if it can't be destroyed, it must be contained. - CjayC
My Score 57/64 SMB3 vs. FF
1) 50816 - Max Payne vs. Dirk the Daring (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
2) 51889 - Pac-Man vs. Kyo Kusanagi (II) from 2002 Summer Contest
3) 52419 - Bomberman vs. Kane (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
4) 52618 - Donkey Kong vs. Bub (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
5) 52874 - Duke Nukem vs. Iori Yagami (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
6) 53213 - Mario vs. Servbot (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
7) 53920 - Kyo Kusanagi vs. Abe (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
8) 54997 - Serious Sam vs. Mr. Driller (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
9) 55392 - Ryo Hazuki vs. Guybrush Threepwood (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
10) 56361 - Tina Armstrong vs. Gordon Freeman (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
Top 10 Highest Individual Votes
1) 94086 - Cloud Strife (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
2) 92998 - Link (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
3) 92894 - Legend of Zelda (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
4) 91905 - Mega Man (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
5) 91749 - Final Fantasy 7 (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
6) 90364 - Sephiroth (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
7) 89595 - Sephiroth (II) from 2003 Summer Contest
8) 89189 - Mario (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
9) 88469 - Crono (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
10) 86938 - Final Fantasy (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
Top 10 Lowest Individual Votes
1) 4686 - Adventure (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
2) 5257 - Ms. Pac-Man (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
3) 5414 - Serious Sam (II) from 2002 Summer Contest
4) 8418 - Gunstar Heroes (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
5) 8602 - Gabe Logan (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
6) 8802 - AiAi (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
7) 9559 - Donkey Kong (II) from 2004 Spring Contest
8) 11076 - Little Mac (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
9) 11145 - CATS (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
10) 11292 - Pitfall Harry (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
Top 10 Most Impressive Losers (by votes)
1) 71438 - Link (V) from 2003 Summer Contest
2) 66434 - Crono (III) from 2003 Summer Contest
3) 64713 - Cloud Strife (IV) from 2002 Summer Contest
4) 59865 - Sephiroth (VI) from 2003 Summer Contest
5) 57078 - Tidus (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
6) 56258 - Halo (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
7) 55322 - Solid Snake (IV) from 2003 Summer Contest
8) 54529 - Ganondorf (II) from 2003 Summer Contest
9) 53716 - Crono (V) from 2002 Summer Contest
10) 50457 - Donkey Kong (II) from 2003 Summer Contest
Top 10 Least Impressive Winners (by votes)
1) 30662 - Strider Hiryu (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
2) 30711 - Pikachu (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
3) 31160 - Kyo Kusanagi (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
4) 31798 - Donkey Kong (II) from 2002 Summer Contest
5) 32301 - Serious Sam (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
6) 32602 - Donkey Kong (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
7) 32607 - Pac-Man (II) from 2002 Summer Contest
8) 33160 - Duke Nukem (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
9) 33516 - Alucard (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
10) 33602 - Sonic the Hedgehog (II) from 2002 Summer Contest
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LUE is a cancer, and if it can't be destroyed, it must be contained. - CjayC
My Score 57/64 SMB3 vs. FF
From: charmander6000
| Posted: 5/23/2004 6:00:19 AM | Message Detail
Top 10 Easiest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner)
1) 99.1% - Link vs. AiAi (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
2) 99.02% - The Legend of Zelda vs. Adventure (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
3) 98.0% - Mario vs. Captain Olimar (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
4) 97.75% - Zelda: A Link to the Past vs. Gunstar Heroes (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
5) 96.76% - Final Fantasy VII vs. Suikoden II (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
6) 96.46% - Final Fantasy vs. Pitfall (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
7) 96.4% - Link vs. Little Mac (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
8) 96.32% - The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time vs. Fallout 2 (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
9) 95.91% - Super Mario World vs. The Simpsons (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
10) 95.9% - Mario vs. Servbot (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
Top 10 Hardest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner)
1) 6.0% - Cloud Strife vs. Sephiroth (VI) from 2003 Summer Contest
2) 12.8% - Link vs. Mario (VI) from 2002 Summer Contest
3) 13.4% - Cloud Strife vs. Link (V) from 2003 Summer Contest
4) 14.5% - Mega Man vs. Solid Snake (IV) from 2003 Summer Contest
5) 14.6% - Crono vs. Solid Snake (IV) from 2002 Summer Contest
6) 15.62% - Starcraft vs. Kingdom Hearts (II) from 2004 Spring Contest
7) 17.3% - Scorpion vs. Pac-Man (III) from 2002 Summer Contest
8) 21.7% - Sephiroth vs. Mega Man (V) from 2003 Summer Contest
9) 22.03% - Super Smash Bros. Melee vs. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City
10) 24.09% - Starcraft vs. Halo: Combat Evolved (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
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LUE is a cancer, and if it can't be destroyed, it must be contained. - CjayC
My Score 57/64 SMB3 vs. FF
1) 99.1% - Link vs. AiAi (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
2) 99.02% - The Legend of Zelda vs. Adventure (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
3) 98.0% - Mario vs. Captain Olimar (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
4) 97.75% - Zelda: A Link to the Past vs. Gunstar Heroes (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
5) 96.76% - Final Fantasy VII vs. Suikoden II (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
6) 96.46% - Final Fantasy vs. Pitfall (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
7) 96.4% - Link vs. Little Mac (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
8) 96.32% - The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time vs. Fallout 2 (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
9) 95.91% - Super Mario World vs. The Simpsons (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
10) 95.9% - Mario vs. Servbot (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
Top 10 Hardest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner)
1) 6.0% - Cloud Strife vs. Sephiroth (VI) from 2003 Summer Contest
2) 12.8% - Link vs. Mario (VI) from 2002 Summer Contest
3) 13.4% - Cloud Strife vs. Link (V) from 2003 Summer Contest
4) 14.5% - Mega Man vs. Solid Snake (IV) from 2003 Summer Contest
5) 14.6% - Crono vs. Solid Snake (IV) from 2002 Summer Contest
6) 15.62% - Starcraft vs. Kingdom Hearts (II) from 2004 Spring Contest
7) 17.3% - Scorpion vs. Pac-Man (III) from 2002 Summer Contest
8) 21.7% - Sephiroth vs. Mega Man (V) from 2003 Summer Contest
9) 22.03% - Super Smash Bros. Melee vs. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City
10) 24.09% - Starcraft vs. Halo: Combat Evolved (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
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LUE is a cancer, and if it can't be destroyed, it must be contained. - CjayC
My Score 57/64 SMB3 vs. FF
From: charmander6000
| Posted: 5/23/2004 6:01:36 AM | Message Detail
Year Game was made
1972 0/1
Pong
1979 0/1
Adventure
1980 0/1
Pac-Man
1981 0/2
Donkey Kong
Galaga
1982 0/1
Pitfall
1984 0/1
Duck Hunt
1986 0/1
Metroid
1987 3/5
Super Mario Bros. 3
Metal Gear
Phantasy Star
Final Fantasy
Legend of Zelda
1988 1/2
Contra
Tetris
1989 1/2
River City Ransom
Super Mario World
1991 1/3
Street Fighter II
The Simpsons
Legend of Zelda: Link to the Past
1992 0/3
Sonic 2
Shining Force
Mortal Kombat
1993 0/4
Secret of Mana
Gunstar Heroes
Phantasy Star IV
Doom
1994 1/3
Super Metroid
Earthbound
Final Fantasy III/VI
1995 1/1
Chrono Trigger
1996 0/4
Super Mario RPG
Resident Evil
Super Mario 64
NiGHTS into Dreams
1997 2/4
Final Fantasy VII
Final Fantasy Tactics
Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
Goldeneye
1998 3/9
Suikoden II
Xenogears
Dance Dance Revolution
Metal Gear Solid
Panzer Dragoon Panzer
Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Fallout 2
Starcraft
Half-Life
1999 0/3
Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal
Soul Calibur
Shenmue
2000 0/2
Perfect Dark
Skies of Arcadia
2001 2/4
Halo
Final Fantasy X
Super Smash Bros. Melee
Metal Gear Solid 2
2002 1/4
Kingdom Hearts
Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker
Metroid Prime
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City
2003 0/3
Final Fantasy Tactics Advance
Fire Emblem
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
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LUE is a cancer, and if it can't be destroyed, it must be contained. - CjayC
My Score 57/64 SMB3 vs. FF
1972 0/1
Pong
1979 0/1
Adventure
1980 0/1
Pac-Man
1981 0/2
Donkey Kong
Galaga
1982 0/1
Pitfall
1984 0/1
Duck Hunt
1986 0/1
Metroid
1987 3/5
Super Mario Bros. 3
Metal Gear
Phantasy Star
Final Fantasy
Legend of Zelda
1988 1/2
Contra
Tetris
1989 1/2
River City Ransom
Super Mario World
1991 1/3
Street Fighter II
The Simpsons
Legend of Zelda: Link to the Past
1992 0/3
Sonic 2
Shining Force
Mortal Kombat
1993 0/4
Secret of Mana
Gunstar Heroes
Phantasy Star IV
Doom
1994 1/3
Super Metroid
Earthbound
Final Fantasy III/VI
1995 1/1
Chrono Trigger
1996 0/4
Super Mario RPG
Resident Evil
Super Mario 64
NiGHTS into Dreams
1997 2/4
Final Fantasy VII
Final Fantasy Tactics
Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
Goldeneye
1998 3/9
Suikoden II
Xenogears
Dance Dance Revolution
Metal Gear Solid
Panzer Dragoon Panzer
Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Fallout 2
Starcraft
Half-Life
1999 0/3
Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal
Soul Calibur
Shenmue
2000 0/2
Perfect Dark
Skies of Arcadia
2001 2/4
Halo
Final Fantasy X
Super Smash Bros. Melee
Metal Gear Solid 2
2002 1/4
Kingdom Hearts
Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker
Metroid Prime
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City
2003 0/3
Final Fantasy Tactics Advance
Fire Emblem
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
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LUE is a cancer, and if it can't be destroyed, it must be contained. - CjayC
My Score 57/64 SMB3 vs. FF
From: charmander6000
| Posted: 5/23/2004 6:02:13 AM | Message Detail
Games from Console
Arcade 1/11
Tetris
Donkey Kong
Pong
Pac-Man
Contra
Pitfall
Galaga
Street Fighter II
The Simpsons
Mortal Kombat
Dance Dance Revolution
Atari 2600 0/1
Adventure
Dreamcast 0/3
Soul Calibur
Skies of Arcadia
Shenmue
Game Boy Advance 0/2
Final Fantasy Tactics Advance
Fire Emblem
Game Boy Color 0/1
Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal
GameCube 2/3
Super Smash Bros. Melee
Metroid Prime
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
Genesis 0/4
Sonic the Hedgehog 2
Gunstar Heroes
Shining Force
Phantasy Star IV
NES 3/7
Super Mario Bros. 3
Legend of Zelda
Final Fantasy
Metroid
River City Ransom
Duck Hunt
Metal Gear
Nintendo 64 2/4
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
GoldenEye 007
Perfect Dark
Super Mario 64
PC 1/4
Doom
Fallout 2
Half-Life
Starcraft
PlayStation 2/7
Final Fantasy VII
Metal Gear Solid
Final Fantasy Tactics
Xenogears
Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
Resident Evil
Suikoden II
PlayStation 2 1/4
Final Fantasy X
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City
Kingdom Hearts
Metal Gear Solid 2
Saturn 0/2
NiGHTS into dreams...
Panzer Dragoon Saga
Sega Master System 0/1
Phantasy Star
SNES 4/8
Chrono Trigger
Final Fantasy III/VI
Super Metroid
Super Mario World
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
EarthBound
Super Mario RPG
Secret of Mana
Xbox 0/2
Halo: Combat Evolve
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
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LUE is a cancer, and if it can't be destroyed, it must be contained. - CjayC
My Score 57/64 SMB3 vs. FF
Arcade 1/11
Tetris
Donkey Kong
Pong
Pac-Man
Contra
Pitfall
Galaga
Street Fighter II
The Simpsons
Mortal Kombat
Dance Dance Revolution
Atari 2600 0/1
Adventure
Dreamcast 0/3
Soul Calibur
Skies of Arcadia
Shenmue
Game Boy Advance 0/2
Final Fantasy Tactics Advance
Fire Emblem
Game Boy Color 0/1
Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal
GameCube 2/3
Super Smash Bros. Melee
Metroid Prime
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
Genesis 0/4
Sonic the Hedgehog 2
Gunstar Heroes
Shining Force
Phantasy Star IV
NES 3/7
Super Mario Bros. 3
Legend of Zelda
Final Fantasy
Metroid
River City Ransom
Duck Hunt
Metal Gear
Nintendo 64 2/4
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
GoldenEye 007
Perfect Dark
Super Mario 64
PC 1/4
Doom
Fallout 2
Half-Life
Starcraft
PlayStation 2/7
Final Fantasy VII
Metal Gear Solid
Final Fantasy Tactics
Xenogears
Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
Resident Evil
Suikoden II
PlayStation 2 1/4
Final Fantasy X
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City
Kingdom Hearts
Metal Gear Solid 2
Saturn 0/2
NiGHTS into dreams...
Panzer Dragoon Saga
Sega Master System 0/1
Phantasy Star
SNES 4/8
Chrono Trigger
Final Fantasy III/VI
Super Metroid
Super Mario World
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
EarthBound
Super Mario RPG
Secret of Mana
Xbox 0/2
Halo: Combat Evolve
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
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LUE is a cancer, and if it can't be destroyed, it must be contained. - CjayC
My Score 57/64 SMB3 vs. FF
From: charmander6000
| Posted: 5/23/2004 6:03:54 AM | Message Detail
Prediction Leaderboard:
1 The Return - 64
1 Saitou7777 - 64
3 leet g33k - 63
4 willyman76 - 62
4 SlangEdter41 - 62
4 Raistlin187 - 62
4 Dont Tread On ME - 62
4 CounterCloud - 62
9 Bananaquest - 61
9 tempoblade - 61
9 LordOfDabu - 61
9 alpha door - 61
9 PerfectDemon - 61
9 UltimaterializerX - 61
9 FrostHarpy - 61
9 PepeCamello - 61
9 kaonashi1 - 61
9 Modest Morte - 61
9 usefulidiot - 61
9 SSJGasSnake - 61
9 Roving Vagrant - 61
9 HoratioQHornblower - 61
9 SecondBest - 61
9 Kirin17 - 61
9 Delpheous2003 - 61
9 Aprosenf - 61
9 Topdogg48067 - 61
9 Dralor - 61
9 Vortyx - 61
9 duilio9z - 61
9 CloudsShinji - 61
9 Sins Tox1n - 61
9 Bejita San - 61
Yesterday a lot of things happened because only 22% predicted that SSBM would win. 2 people who are tied for 3rd stayed 61 and 6 people with a score of 60 also didn’t gain points and since we are now below the top 10 we add 25 new people (most notable: Bananaquest, UltimaterializerX, FrostHarpy and Sins Tox1n)
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LUE is a cancer, and if it can't be destroyed, it must be contained. - CjayC
My Score 57/64 SMB3 vs. FF
1 The Return - 64
1 Saitou7777 - 64
3 leet g33k - 63
4 willyman76 - 62
4 SlangEdter41 - 62
4 Raistlin187 - 62
4 Dont Tread On ME - 62
4 CounterCloud - 62
9 Bananaquest - 61
9 tempoblade - 61
9 LordOfDabu - 61
9 alpha door - 61
9 PerfectDemon - 61
9 UltimaterializerX - 61
9 FrostHarpy - 61
9 PepeCamello - 61
9 kaonashi1 - 61
9 Modest Morte - 61
9 usefulidiot - 61
9 SSJGasSnake - 61
9 Roving Vagrant - 61
9 HoratioQHornblower - 61
9 SecondBest - 61
9 Kirin17 - 61
9 Delpheous2003 - 61
9 Aprosenf - 61
9 Topdogg48067 - 61
9 Dralor - 61
9 Vortyx - 61
9 duilio9z - 61
9 CloudsShinji - 61
9 Sins Tox1n - 61
9 Bejita San - 61
Yesterday a lot of things happened because only 22% predicted that SSBM would win. 2 people who are tied for 3rd stayed 61 and 6 people with a score of 60 also didn’t gain points and since we are now below the top 10 we add 25 new people (most notable: Bananaquest, UltimaterializerX, FrostHarpy and Sins Tox1n)
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LUE is a cancer, and if it can't be destroyed, it must be contained. - CjayC
My Score 57/64 SMB3 vs. FF
From: charmander6000
| Posted: 5/23/2004 6:04:20 AM | Message Detail
Rankings
1. Super Mario Bros. 3
2. Metroid
3. Metal Gear
4. Pac-Man
1. Final Fantasy
2. Contra
3. Phantasy Star
4. Pitfall
1. Legend of Zelda
2. Donkey Kong
3. Duck Hunt
4. Adventure
1. Tetris
2. Pong
3. Galaga
4. River City Ransom
1. Chrono Trigger
2. Super Mario RPG
3. Street Fighter II
4. Secret of Mana
1. Super Mario World
2. Sonic 2
3. The Simpsons
4. Shining Force
1. Legend of Zelda: Link to the Past
2. Super Metroid
3. Gunstar Heroes
4. Phantasy Star IV
1. Final Fantasy III/VI
2. Doom
3. Mortal Kombat
4. Earthbound
1. Final Fantasy VII
2. Xenogears
3. Suikoden II
4. Pokemon G/S/C
1. Metal Gear Solid
2. Final Fantasy Tactics
3. Resident Evil
4. Dance Dance Revolution
1. Goldeneye
2. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
3. Perfect Dark
4. Panzer Dragoon Saga
1. Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
2. Super Mario 64
3. Fallout 2
4. NiGHTS into Dreams
1. Starcraft
2. Halo
3. Kingdom Hearts
4. Soul Calibur
1. Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker
2. Metroid Prime
3. Half-Life
4. Skies of Arcadia
1. Final Fantasy X
2. Final Fantasy Tactics Advance
3. Shenmue
4. Fire Emblem
1. Super Smash Bros. Melee
2. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City
3. Metal Gear Solid 2
4. Star Wars: Knight of the Old Republic
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My Score 57/64 SMB3 vs. FF
1. Super Mario Bros. 3
2. Metroid
3. Metal Gear
4. Pac-Man
1. Final Fantasy
2. Contra
3. Phantasy Star
4. Pitfall
1. Legend of Zelda
2. Donkey Kong
3. Duck Hunt
4. Adventure
1. Tetris
2. Pong
3. Galaga
4. River City Ransom
1. Chrono Trigger
2. Super Mario RPG
3. Street Fighter II
4. Secret of Mana
1. Super Mario World
2. Sonic 2
3. The Simpsons
4. Shining Force
1. Legend of Zelda: Link to the Past
2. Super Metroid
3. Gunstar Heroes
4. Phantasy Star IV
1. Final Fantasy III/VI
2. Doom
3. Mortal Kombat
4. Earthbound
1. Final Fantasy VII
2. Xenogears
3. Suikoden II
4. Pokemon G/S/C
1. Metal Gear Solid
2. Final Fantasy Tactics
3. Resident Evil
4. Dance Dance Revolution
1. Goldeneye
2. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
3. Perfect Dark
4. Panzer Dragoon Saga
1. Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
2. Super Mario 64
3. Fallout 2
4. NiGHTS into Dreams
1. Starcraft
2. Halo
3. Kingdom Hearts
4. Soul Calibur
1. Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker
2. Metroid Prime
3. Half-Life
4. Skies of Arcadia
1. Final Fantasy X
2. Final Fantasy Tactics Advance
3. Shenmue
4. Fire Emblem
1. Super Smash Bros. Melee
2. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City
3. Metal Gear Solid 2
4. Star Wars: Knight of the Old Republic
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LUE is a cancer, and if it can't be destroyed, it must be contained. - CjayC
My Score 57/64 SMB3 vs. FF
From: Tai
| Posted: 5/23/2004 7:53:58 AM | Message Detail
I really can't believe barely 22% of bracket voters picked SSBM to beat VC. O_o
The 128 bracket is getting more insane every day..
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Welcome to SpC2k4, where you suck if you presume someone else's opinions.- Tai.
The 128 bracket is getting more insane every day..
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Welcome to SpC2k4, where you suck if you presume someone else's opinions.- Tai.
From: steve illumina
| Posted: 5/23/2004 8:13:02 AM | Message Detail
Peeps of GameFAQ's! Do I have your attention?
All of you who dwell here and post away your lives! :) Well it's time for...the newly modernized...
Steve Illumina Speaks
Indeed it is so, the legendary and ever humorous commentary rages on from the soon to be 350 Karma Legend, to offer some lighthearted yet well-honed levity, here on this the stats thread... the one bastion of proven intelligence on this overly fanboy dominated board.
And so it proceeds, with the fall of the Puzzle genre, here in the "Ancient" Division
ROUND 3: Match L (50...yep yep)
(3)Legend of Zelda vs (2)Tetris
Steve's Prediction: Zelda by 73%
Steve's Bracket: Zelda
LUE's Pick: The Area of the Long Piece: A=lw
Upset Chances: Long Piece to secure a Tetris when needed: 1:24, Chances of a Tetris now: 1:1000000
Comments: Here to finish the Ancient Division reps for the Elite Eight, we have the most predictable match of the whole 3rd round other than GoldenEye and Zelda Ocarina...
With Mario doing what he is supposed to do, but at a smaller percentage than I thought, but its ok, a win is a win as far as my sacred bracket is concerned. And this match will be no different.
The two games expected to come out of this division alive by nearly every elite are going to. That is just the way it is, baby!
Historical Insights: Zelda 1, Game Informer's Greatest Game of All Time a couple years ago and probably still today if they redid it, is a true historical gem. It created a genre of games that goes beyond the Zelda realm of sequels, and propelled Miyamoto to even more power at Nintendo. It sold millions of copies, and even had a gold cartridge. What more can be said?
Tetris, the pride of Soviet mathematics, created a genre too, the modern puzzler. Selling even more millions than Zelda as a Game Boy pack in, and in countless versions on every system from the NES to the Xbox, this game is loved and respected by all. So good it spawned lawsuits between rival versions. So good it sold 20 million or so Game Boys and destroyed Sega, Atari, NEC, and SNK's dreams of handheld glory. So good the Russian who invented it had to turn to dropping stacks of hats for a curtain call. Hatris, anyone? He did well enough though...
Tetris deserves better, but at the hands of Zelda 1, on this site, it is outclassed.
Why Zelda Will Prevail: Voting blocks: Nintendites! Zelda fans! Old schoolers! Hyrulian Knights and blind fanboys.
Why Tetris Wont Prevail: Will carry the adult vote MAYBE, some casuals MAYBE. But really, it is outclassed, more so than any game in this round when considered against its opponent.
Take a moment to remember...Running out of bombs in the 7th dungeon cause you failed to pay the Old Man to carry more. Waiting for the Tetris block on Speed Setting 9.
Probable Results: As I hum Ganon's dungeon theme, I see the elf draw his Raft and sail across the river to a Heart Container, the crucial 70% win margin heart piece that will take him to the Elite Eight and into a matchup for the ages against the King of Platformers.
Random Zelda 1 Quotes: "Dodongo Dislikes Smoke" -Old Man, "Pay Me and I'll Talk" -Old Lady, "Master Using It and You Can Have This" -Old Man, "Lets Play Money Making Game" -Old Man, "There Are Secrets Where Fairies Don't Live" -Old Man
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SCK24: 56/64 Trivia XIII: Diehards Forever
Steve Illumina: Standing tall against fanboys for over 20 years
All of you who dwell here and post away your lives! :) Well it's time for...the newly modernized...
Steve Illumina Speaks
Indeed it is so, the legendary and ever humorous commentary rages on from the soon to be 350 Karma Legend, to offer some lighthearted yet well-honed levity, here on this the stats thread... the one bastion of proven intelligence on this overly fanboy dominated board.
And so it proceeds, with the fall of the Puzzle genre, here in the "Ancient" Division
ROUND 3: Match L (50...yep yep)
(3)Legend of Zelda vs (2)Tetris
Steve's Prediction: Zelda by 73%
Steve's Bracket: Zelda
LUE's Pick: The Area of the Long Piece: A=lw
Upset Chances: Long Piece to secure a Tetris when needed: 1:24, Chances of a Tetris now: 1:1000000
Comments: Here to finish the Ancient Division reps for the Elite Eight, we have the most predictable match of the whole 3rd round other than GoldenEye and Zelda Ocarina...
With Mario doing what he is supposed to do, but at a smaller percentage than I thought, but its ok, a win is a win as far as my sacred bracket is concerned. And this match will be no different.
The two games expected to come out of this division alive by nearly every elite are going to. That is just the way it is, baby!
Historical Insights: Zelda 1, Game Informer's Greatest Game of All Time a couple years ago and probably still today if they redid it, is a true historical gem. It created a genre of games that goes beyond the Zelda realm of sequels, and propelled Miyamoto to even more power at Nintendo. It sold millions of copies, and even had a gold cartridge. What more can be said?
Tetris, the pride of Soviet mathematics, created a genre too, the modern puzzler. Selling even more millions than Zelda as a Game Boy pack in, and in countless versions on every system from the NES to the Xbox, this game is loved and respected by all. So good it spawned lawsuits between rival versions. So good it sold 20 million or so Game Boys and destroyed Sega, Atari, NEC, and SNK's dreams of handheld glory. So good the Russian who invented it had to turn to dropping stacks of hats for a curtain call. Hatris, anyone? He did well enough though...
Tetris deserves better, but at the hands of Zelda 1, on this site, it is outclassed.
Why Zelda Will Prevail: Voting blocks: Nintendites! Zelda fans! Old schoolers! Hyrulian Knights and blind fanboys.
Why Tetris Wont Prevail: Will carry the adult vote MAYBE, some casuals MAYBE. But really, it is outclassed, more so than any game in this round when considered against its opponent.
Take a moment to remember...Running out of bombs in the 7th dungeon cause you failed to pay the Old Man to carry more. Waiting for the Tetris block on Speed Setting 9.
Probable Results: As I hum Ganon's dungeon theme, I see the elf draw his Raft and sail across the river to a Heart Container, the crucial 70% win margin heart piece that will take him to the Elite Eight and into a matchup for the ages against the King of Platformers.
Random Zelda 1 Quotes: "Dodongo Dislikes Smoke" -Old Man, "Pay Me and I'll Talk" -Old Lady, "Master Using It and You Can Have This" -Old Man, "Lets Play Money Making Game" -Old Man, "There Are Secrets Where Fairies Don't Live" -Old Man
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SCK24: 56/64 Trivia XIII: Diehards Forever
Steve Illumina: Standing tall against fanboys for over 20 years
From: charmander6000
| Posted: 5/23/2004 8:14:34 AM | Message Detail
well look at the predictions
45 Starcraft - 15.62%
46 The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker - 47.04%
47 Final Fantasy X - 79.81%
48 Super Smash Bros. Melee - 22.03%
All the predictions except for FFX are below 50% and that's because FFX went up against a FF game in round 2. This is how unpredictable this round is
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LUE is a cancer, and if it can't be destroyed, it must be contained. - CjayC
My Score 57/64 SMB3 vs. FF
45 Starcraft - 15.62%
46 The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker - 47.04%
47 Final Fantasy X - 79.81%
48 Super Smash Bros. Melee - 22.03%
All the predictions except for FFX are below 50% and that's because FFX went up against a FF game in round 2. This is how unpredictable this round is
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LUE is a cancer, and if it can't be destroyed, it must be contained. - CjayC
My Score 57/64 SMB3 vs. FF
From: charmander6000
| Posted: 5/23/2004 8:16:01 AM | Message Detail
change round to prediction
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LUE is a cancer, and if it can't be destroyed, it must be contained. - CjayC
My Score 57/64 SMB3 vs. FF
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LUE is a cancer, and if it can't be destroyed, it must be contained. - CjayC
My Score 57/64 SMB3 vs. FF
From: smitelf
| Posted: 5/23/2004 8:36:22 AM | Message Detail
I'm kind of curious to see the percentage correct on this match just to see how much the Final Fantasy name was overestimated.
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Current Sp2K4 Score: 59/64, Next Winner: Super Mario Bros. 3
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Current Sp2K4 Score: 59/64, Next Winner: Super Mario Bros. 3
From: Aprosenf
| Posted: 5/23/2004 9:01:20 AM | Message Detail
I'm moving up - 26th place now, tied for 9th.
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Contest status: 61/64 points through Grand Theft Auto: Vice City vs. Super Smash Bros. Melee.
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Contest status: 61/64 points through Grand Theft Auto: Vice City vs. Super Smash Bros. Melee.
From: Slowflake
| Posted: 5/23/2004 9:21:32 AM | Message Detail
Yes, Vice City IS a strong game. I could easily see SSBM barely falling
short of FF10, and FF10 barely falling short of WW. That's a likely
scenario, and it would make VC look good.
I'm going to go on a limb here and say that the (very) few of us who don't believe in Starcraft would have found it more impressive had it beaten Kingdom Hearts in the FIRST round instead of the second. That left a whole match for KH to show its true power (or lack thereof) against Soul Calibur. If Starcraft beat it right off the bad, THEN it would look like a mighty opponent to Wind Waker to me and these few and far between.
Funny when I remember the consensus pick before the contest starter... WW/MP winner would have little problem disposing of Kingdom Hearts, which beats Soul Calibur and Halo/Starcraft easily. Kingdom Hearts bombs, and everyone puts Starcraft on a pedestal, with no mention whatsoever of Halo and Soul Calibur. Heck, even supposing Halo/Starcraft and Soul Calibur/KH never happened, with the kind of score Starcraft pulled against KH, and supposing KH had the power we thought it did, according to our consensus WW would still be winning by a number of votes in the high four digits.
A last thought for this post... it's hilarious that the contest isn't revolving around FF7/OoT like we thought it would, but instead around a match like that. I promise I'll be up for the start of this match, flamethrower fully loaded if the need arises.
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 057/064 --- Matches: 42/48 --- Rank: 00471/40940 --- Today's pick: SMB3
I'm going to go on a limb here and say that the (very) few of us who don't believe in Starcraft would have found it more impressive had it beaten Kingdom Hearts in the FIRST round instead of the second. That left a whole match for KH to show its true power (or lack thereof) against Soul Calibur. If Starcraft beat it right off the bad, THEN it would look like a mighty opponent to Wind Waker to me and these few and far between.
Funny when I remember the consensus pick before the contest starter... WW/MP winner would have little problem disposing of Kingdom Hearts, which beats Soul Calibur and Halo/Starcraft easily. Kingdom Hearts bombs, and everyone puts Starcraft on a pedestal, with no mention whatsoever of Halo and Soul Calibur. Heck, even supposing Halo/Starcraft and Soul Calibur/KH never happened, with the kind of score Starcraft pulled against KH, and supposing KH had the power we thought it did, according to our consensus WW would still be winning by a number of votes in the high four digits.
A last thought for this post... it's hilarious that the contest isn't revolving around FF7/OoT like we thought it would, but instead around a match like that. I promise I'll be up for the start of this match, flamethrower fully loaded if the need arises.
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 057/064 --- Matches: 42/48 --- Rank: 00471/40940 --- Today's pick: SMB3
From: smitelf
| Posted: 5/23/2004 9:35:31 AM | Message Detail
The Starcraft phenomenon is caused by just how damn cool it would be if
such a huge underdog -- a goddamn 16 seed -- could beat (or even put up
a good fight against) one of the division favorites. It's not a logical
supposition but rather one based on the coolness factor of it all. At
this point, most of us could easily say "**** you" to our brackets if
it meant seeing something that would really stir up this contest like
another Starcraft victory.
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Current Sp2K4 Score: 59/64, Next Winner: Super Mario Bros. 3
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Current Sp2K4 Score: 59/64, Next Winner: Super Mario Bros. 3
From: smitelf
| Posted: 5/23/2004 9:36:22 AM | Message Detail
And by most of us, I mean board members. I doubt the average joe voting could give a damn about Starcraft.
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Current Sp2K4 Score: 59/64, Next Winner: Super Mario Bros. 3
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Current Sp2K4 Score: 59/64, Next Winner: Super Mario Bros. 3
From: Slowflake
| Posted: 5/23/2004 9:38:44 AM | Message Detail
That would be cool, I agree. (If it wasn't at the expense of Wind
Waker, that is.) But, the idea of the board mattering just doesn't
click. It's almost unanimous towards Starcraft. So what? It was pretty
much unanimous towards FF10 in its last match as well.
If Starcraft doesn't lead in the opening seconds, it's going to get shot to hell when the "casual vote" takes over. Mark my words.
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 057/064 --- Matches: 42/48 --- Rank: 00471/40940 --- Today's pick: SMB3
If Starcraft doesn't lead in the opening seconds, it's going to get shot to hell when the "casual vote" takes over. Mark my words.
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 057/064 --- Matches: 42/48 --- Rank: 00471/40940 --- Today's pick: SMB3
From: FastFalcon05
| Posted: 5/23/2004 9:43:53 AM | Message Detail
Remember folks - a vote for SSBM and Starcraft is a vote for anarchy.
haha, just had to laugh at that.
And, I'm still shocked by how many people are believing in a StarCraft upset on WindWaker. It barely beat Halo, huge emphasis on barely, beat KH by a few thousand votes, and it isn't going to live past WindWaker. It really would have needed much more impressive numbers for its wins, and I would be enormously shocked should it even be close.
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Silly Rabbit...Trix are for....kids.
Revenge is a dish best served cold.-Old Klingon Proverb
haha, just had to laugh at that.
And, I'm still shocked by how many people are believing in a StarCraft upset on WindWaker. It barely beat Halo, huge emphasis on barely, beat KH by a few thousand votes, and it isn't going to live past WindWaker. It really would have needed much more impressive numbers for its wins, and I would be enormously shocked should it even be close.
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Silly Rabbit...Trix are for....kids.
Revenge is a dish best served cold.-Old Klingon Proverb
From: smitelf
| Posted: 5/23/2004 9:49:25 AM | Message Detail
Oh, I don't think the board does matter. As I said, the average voter
doesn't give a damn about the Starcraft Phenomenon around here. I don't
think Starcraft will win...but I can always hope against all logical
reason :)
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Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04
Current Sp2K4 Score: 59/64, Next Winner: Super Mario Bros. 3
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Current Sp2K4 Score: 59/64, Next Winner: Super Mario Bros. 3
From: Slowflake
| Posted: 5/23/2004 10:03:00 AM | Message Detail
*** COMPARISONS GAME - Match #50 - (3) LEGEND OF ZELDA vs. (2) TETRIS ***
Sales
Tetris... 33 million... bundle... Game Boy... zzzzzzzzzzzz...
- Advantage TETRIS.
Franchises
Zelda... equals... Final Fantasy... everything else... nuclear launch detected... zzzzzzzzzzzz...
- Advantage LOZ.
GameFAQs Status.
Number of FAQs: LoZ
Number of reviews: LoZ (counting the Famicom ones)
Average review score: LoZ
Board activity: LoZ
4-0... not close... back to sleep... zzzzzzzzzzzz...
- Advantage LOZ.
Board Odds Project
PICKS (out of 102)
Legend of Zelda - 91
Tetris - 10
Also picked: River City Ransom (1)
POINT VALUE
6. Legend of Zelda - 772
11. Tetris - 366
Not quite as close as it looks, all remaining games have quite high point value... zzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
- Advantage LOZ.
Previous Rounds
Blowouts... all the time... worthless opponents... Zelda killed its own better though... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
- Advantage LOZ.
Summer Contests / Polls of the Day
Never seen Tetris... Link is SC2K2 champion... try... stop that... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
- Advantage LOZ.
Intangibles
A Tetris game, how exciting... zzzzzzzzzzzzz...
- Advantage LOZ.
Conclusion: Zzzzzzzzzzz... what, it's a third round match? Oh well... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 057/064 --- Matches: 42/48 --- Rank: 00471/40940 --- Today's pick: SMB3
Sales
Tetris... 33 million... bundle... Game Boy... zzzzzzzzzzzz...
- Advantage TETRIS.
Franchises
Zelda... equals... Final Fantasy... everything else... nuclear launch detected... zzzzzzzzzzzz...
- Advantage LOZ.
GameFAQs Status.
Number of FAQs: LoZ
Number of reviews: LoZ (counting the Famicom ones)
Average review score: LoZ
Board activity: LoZ
4-0... not close... back to sleep... zzzzzzzzzzzz...
- Advantage LOZ.
Board Odds Project
PICKS (out of 102)
Legend of Zelda - 91
Tetris - 10
Also picked: River City Ransom (1)
POINT VALUE
6. Legend of Zelda - 772
11. Tetris - 366
Not quite as close as it looks, all remaining games have quite high point value... zzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
- Advantage LOZ.
Previous Rounds
Blowouts... all the time... worthless opponents... Zelda killed its own better though... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
- Advantage LOZ.
Summer Contests / Polls of the Day
Never seen Tetris... Link is SC2K2 champion... try... stop that... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
- Advantage LOZ.
Intangibles
A Tetris game, how exciting... zzzzzzzzzzzzz...
- Advantage LOZ.
Conclusion: Zzzzzzzzzzz... what, it's a third round match? Oh well... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 057/064 --- Matches: 42/48 --- Rank: 00471/40940 --- Today's pick: SMB3
From: Tarrot
| Posted: 5/23/2004 10:39:52 AM | Message Detail
Debate: Which would be the bigger upset and cause more problems, Tetris over LoZ, or Starcraft over WW?
Also, Zelda/Tetris should give an insight into the true strength of Zelda. We've seen it blow out a noname opponent and Donkey Kong, neither of which are feats of tremendous power. If it gets over 80% on Tetris, I think the division is locked up. However, I'm predicting a win in the 70-75 range, which despite how impressive it might look, puts it on par with SMB3. Anything under 70 and SMB3 has the division locked.
At least I can say this, there's no hype going into Chrono/Mario 2.75 (CT/SMBRPG was 2.25, this is 2.75, CT/SMB3, should it occur, will be 3), with everyone riding Zelda... maybe I should rephrase that last part.
Also, Zelda/Tetris should give an insight into the true strength of Zelda. We've seen it blow out a noname opponent and Donkey Kong, neither of which are feats of tremendous power. If it gets over 80% on Tetris, I think the division is locked up. However, I'm predicting a win in the 70-75 range, which despite how impressive it might look, puts it on par with SMB3. Anything under 70 and SMB3 has the division locked.
At least I can say this, there's no hype going into Chrono/Mario 2.75 (CT/SMBRPG was 2.25, this is 2.75, CT/SMB3, should it occur, will be 3), with everyone riding Zelda... maybe I should rephrase that last part.
From: creativename
| Posted: 5/23/2004 11:57:10 AM | Message Detail
Ulti:
We`d need to see a perfect bracket based off of someone going solely by the numbers.
I pray that you were joking. That is simply assinine. I would be sorely disappointed in you if you meant that seriously.
I meant to say that if SSBM had a low percentage, then Vice City was a strong game in this contest. And I still believe this to be true. 22% picked SSBM to get that far. That is absolutely insane, and as a result, I jumped all the way from 26th to 14th on the leaderboard
So Vice City is strong because it had a high prediction %, and SSBM is strong because it had low prediction % against a game with a high prediction %? Either a high prediciton % is good, or a low one is good. You can't have it both ways.
In all likelihood, the prediction % is no indication of strength or weakness anyway.
Tarrot:
Debate: Which would be the bigger upset and cause more problems, Tetris over LoZ, or Starcraft over WW?
*Easily* Tetris over The Legend of Zelda. People are throwing out high 60's to mid 70's numbers for that match. People would be stunned if Wind Waker could get 70% on Starcraft. Almost noone truly expects Tetris to beat The Legend of Zelda, whereas you do hear some vocal Stacraft backers.
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smitelf is a far better forecaster of this contest than I could ever hope to be.
I am in awe of her PWNage.
We`d need to see a perfect bracket based off of someone going solely by the numbers.
I pray that you were joking. That is simply assinine. I would be sorely disappointed in you if you meant that seriously.
I meant to say that if SSBM had a low percentage, then Vice City was a strong game in this contest. And I still believe this to be true. 22% picked SSBM to get that far. That is absolutely insane, and as a result, I jumped all the way from 26th to 14th on the leaderboard
So Vice City is strong because it had a high prediction %, and SSBM is strong because it had low prediction % against a game with a high prediction %? Either a high prediciton % is good, or a low one is good. You can't have it both ways.
In all likelihood, the prediction % is no indication of strength or weakness anyway.
Tarrot:
Debate: Which would be the bigger upset and cause more problems, Tetris over LoZ, or Starcraft over WW?
*Easily* Tetris over The Legend of Zelda. People are throwing out high 60's to mid 70's numbers for that match. People would be stunned if Wind Waker could get 70% on Starcraft. Almost noone truly expects Tetris to beat The Legend of Zelda, whereas you do hear some vocal Stacraft backers.
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smitelf is a far better forecaster of this contest than I could ever hope to be.
I am in awe of her PWNage.
From: Tarrot
| Posted: 5/23/2004 1:14:41 PM | Message Detail
Also, in reference to game strength:
40% had MGS2 advancing out of round 1. Assuming all 40% of the people who had MGS2 advancing had it going to round 3, that's till around 40% who had Vice City/SW:KotOR advancing. More likely, here's how I think the brackets would've went:
Vice City: 50%
SSBM: 22%
MGS2: 18%
KotOR: 10%
This seems about right, as I feel those who had SC going past VC would've had it going past MGS2/SSBM as well.
40% had MGS2 advancing out of round 1. Assuming all 40% of the people who had MGS2 advancing had it going to round 3, that's till around 40% who had Vice City/SW:KotOR advancing. More likely, here's how I think the brackets would've went:
Vice City: 50%
SSBM: 22%
MGS2: 18%
KotOR: 10%
This seems about right, as I feel those who had SC going past VC would've had it going past MGS2/SSBM as well.
From: Starion
| Posted: 5/23/2004 1:16:55 PM | Message Detail
Why do you say that creativename? The point of this contest is to have
the highest score. I don't really know if Ulti was joking or not but if
you don't end up in the top 10, the system doesn't do squat.
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From: creativename
| Posted: 5/23/2004 1:29:00 PM | Message Detail
Why do you say that creativename? The point of this contest is to
have the highest score. I don't really know if Ulti was joking or not
but if you don't end up in the top 10, the system doesn't do squat.
The Oracle challenge is a far more relevant metric. A lot of the utility of the method comes from dynamic adjustements, such as predicting Cloud vs. Link after Cloud vs. Sonic. The extrapolated standings have dominated the Oracle challenge in the past.
The method would work well for predicting the Summer bracket too, but won't let you end up in the top 100, since that's all about game theory and exploiting expectations in predictions. Fanboy luck is the most powerful force there, and why would someone respect that?
Though for game theory/exploiting expectations puroses, the method can still be very useful, as you can tell which entrants might be being underestimated, and thus increase your odds of winning by picking them.
And of course the method would be useless for the Spring contest, since there was nothing to work with.
Again, the method has nothing left to prove to anyone who thinks rationally. If anything, you have to earn the respect of the method, rather than the method earning your respect :-P
The best way to test the method would be repeating a contest right after it finishes, with a randomized bracket. This would help to dilute the impact of year-over-year volatility and simply test the linearity and transitivity assumptions. But that won't ever happen, so we have to make due with comparisons across years, where the method has shown to be excellent anyway.
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smitelf is a far better forecaster of this contest than I could ever hope to be.
I am in awe of her PWNage.
The Oracle challenge is a far more relevant metric. A lot of the utility of the method comes from dynamic adjustements, such as predicting Cloud vs. Link after Cloud vs. Sonic. The extrapolated standings have dominated the Oracle challenge in the past.
The method would work well for predicting the Summer bracket too, but won't let you end up in the top 100, since that's all about game theory and exploiting expectations in predictions. Fanboy luck is the most powerful force there, and why would someone respect that?
Though for game theory/exploiting expectations puroses, the method can still be very useful, as you can tell which entrants might be being underestimated, and thus increase your odds of winning by picking them.
And of course the method would be useless for the Spring contest, since there was nothing to work with.
Again, the method has nothing left to prove to anyone who thinks rationally. If anything, you have to earn the respect of the method, rather than the method earning your respect :-P
The best way to test the method would be repeating a contest right after it finishes, with a randomized bracket. This would help to dilute the impact of year-over-year volatility and simply test the linearity and transitivity assumptions. But that won't ever happen, so we have to make due with comparisons across years, where the method has shown to be excellent anyway.
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smitelf is a far better forecaster of this contest than I could ever hope to be.
I am in awe of her PWNage.
From: Starion
| Posted: 5/23/2004 1:51:34 PM | Message Detail
What does respect have to do with this? The only thing that matters is
the method's utility. In this case, it is fantastic for the Oracle
Challenge and a useful tool for future contests. But as you said
yourself, it won't get us in the top 100. So why the surprised reaction
about the criticism?
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From: creativename
| Posted: 5/23/2004 2:05:36 PM | Message Detail
What does respect have to do with this? The only thing that matters
is the method's utility. In this case, it is fantastic for the Oracle
Challenge and a useful tool for future contests. But as you said
yourself, it won't get us in the top 100. So why the surprised reaction
about the criticism?
I've already gone over this in depth...why the continued comments?
Again, the utility is exceptional, this is undebatable. I'm surprised at the reaction here because I thought people were wiser than this. Bias against quantitative techniques is something very common among people that don't have experience or training in math, but not something I would expect in a stats thread.
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smitelf is a far better forecaster of this contest than I could ever hope to be.
I am in awe of her PWNage.
I've already gone over this in depth...why the continued comments?
Again, the utility is exceptional, this is undebatable. I'm surprised at the reaction here because I thought people were wiser than this. Bias against quantitative techniques is something very common among people that don't have experience or training in math, but not something I would expect in a stats thread.
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smitelf is a far better forecaster of this contest than I could ever hope to be.
I am in awe of her PWNage.
From: LordOfDabu
| Posted: 5/23/2004 2:12:30 PM | Message Detail
creativename, how much mathematical experience do you have under your belt?
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From: Starion
| Posted: 5/23/2004 2:16:05 PM | Message Detail
I've already gone over this in depth...why the continued comments?
Well, I was taken back a bit by how strongly you felt about the criticism. It came across as sort of you thinking people were idiots for not using the method.
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Well, I was taken back a bit by how strongly you felt about the criticism. It came across as sort of you thinking people were idiots for not using the method.
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From: creativename
| Posted: 5/23/2004 2:22:32 PM | Message Detail
creativename, how much mathematical experience do you have under your belt?
I have a Master's in Computational Finance from Carnegie Mellon, which was more math oriented than Finance oriented. Though it was more Stochastic Calculus and stats, than proof-oriented math and such. I also took a bunch of math classes as an undergrad, though not enough to have a minor in it. But some of my Comp Sci classes were more like math classes though.
It came across as sort of you thinking people were idiots for not using the method.
Oh no. There's nothing to use it on now anyway, but it will be very useful to the next Summer Contest. To disparage it is totally wrong-headed though, and while it is natural for many people to do so-- as with many quantitative things--and does not indicate lack of intelligence, it does indicate some lack of understanding.
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smitelf is a far better forecaster of this contest than I could ever hope to be.
I am in awe of her PWNage.
I have a Master's in Computational Finance from Carnegie Mellon, which was more math oriented than Finance oriented. Though it was more Stochastic Calculus and stats, than proof-oriented math and such. I also took a bunch of math classes as an undergrad, though not enough to have a minor in it. But some of my Comp Sci classes were more like math classes though.
It came across as sort of you thinking people were idiots for not using the method.
Oh no. There's nothing to use it on now anyway, but it will be very useful to the next Summer Contest. To disparage it is totally wrong-headed though, and while it is natural for many people to do so-- as with many quantitative things--and does not indicate lack of intelligence, it does indicate some lack of understanding.
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smitelf is a far better forecaster of this contest than I could ever hope to be.
I am in awe of her PWNage.
