Chichiri has a damned good point. Despite how well the Zelda games have done, we`re still only drawing in 72000 people per match, so it`s not like we`re getting substantial outside support for every matchup featuring the Zelda games.

But like I said last night, if Zelda needed a boost, it got one at E3 in a damned big way. If we only get those same 72000 voters in each matchup, enough of them changing their minds because of that wonderful trailor could be enough to really help Zelda put the hammer down in this contest.

Remember how we were all joking about the hell of the four Zelda games going down on four consecutive days? Put tat in reverse. Imagine Mario 3, Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy 7, and SSBM/FFX all losing in a row.
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Remember how we were all joking about the hell of the four Zelda games going down on four consecutive days? Put tat in reverse. Imagine Mario 3, Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy 7, and SSBM/FFX all losing in a row.

No. No no no no no no no.

I'm not even gonna THINK about it.
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Hmm, it might be that way. But I still have a hard time figuring out why Samus would be so different from Link and Mario in terms of summer-to-spring transition, and why Super and Prime voters wouldn't overlap.

Anyway, this board will be fun to look at if LoZ, LttP and OoT all win and then WW takes the lead at the update lock. OMFG.
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 039/044 --- Matches: 33/38 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: LttP

I can't see an all-Zelda final four happening. If you told me this before the ocntest started I'd laugh at you, but even now I can't see it. WW isn't a clear favorite, in fact I don't think it is a favorite, and I'd laugh my ass off for an entire day if Prime kept it as close to WW and Samus would to Link. If that doesn't happen then I'm right; Samus is the sum of her games, Link is the Mean. If it does happen I'm still right; Samus is at her strongest here at GameFAQs when it involves Prime.

WW has a long uphill battle, and unless SSBM goes out prematurly I can assure you WW will not have an easy job of beating it. I'd be willing to say that even if FFX or VC knocks out SSBM that melee is STILL a bigger threat to WW. Even if WW wins over FFX I'll still say SSBM would have probably beaten WW. Among the GC fans WW can't stand up to SSBM. Maybe Nintendo fans can rally behind the Zelda banner to do more damage to a non-Nintendo game than SSBM could, but there is no way in hell I could ever see SSBM losing to WW.

WW has a long way to go, and even beng a Zelda game doesn't give it the full Link support. I won't vote for WW, I find it to be a dull and boring game. It doesn't deserve my vote, and it doesn't deserve to win if the only thing that keeps it afloat is the Zelda name. The only reason I could see for WW taking the division is that pretty much everything else in the division stinks just as badly. It's been a bad generation for gaming, apparently.

And don't get me started on OoT, it has to face FF7, and anyone who thinks that Zelda has the upper-hand to be a certain fact was hibernating last year.
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And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow

From the main page: And just so you know, the Spring Contest will be taking the day off tomorrow between divisions, returning on Saturday, giving us a chance to rest up after the last day of the show.

Good idea? Bad idea?
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Mega Man in the Summer Contest '04? You better believe it!

Geesh, at this rate we'll only have 3 hours to fill up our Summer Contest brackets. I mean, this is the fourth delay already! This will end on June 6 instead of June 2 if there's no other delay.
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 039/044 --- Matches: 33/38 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: LttP

"why Super and Prime voters wouldn't overlap."

Have you played Prime? It's highly different from it's predecessors. Super voters may miss the old style, Prime voters may be too young to appreciate 2D glory. It does happen to Zelda as well, it's just less extreme. That could be because unlike Metroid it didn't take a vacation for an entire generation of gaming. Or, maybe, because OoT was revolutionary for Zelda and Prime was just different for Metroid. OoT did something special, Prime was just OoT with Metroid elements. Would an oldschool gamer support that? I dunno. Would a new-school gamer who only cares about poly counts vote for a game with 0 polys? Doesn't seem so to me.
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And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow

I played every last Metroid made to date.

Fusion is mucho different from Super (and not necessarily in a good way). Not Prime... all they did was stick the camera in Samus' helmet, added a few upgrades attached to that, removed a few upgrades that wouldn't work in a 3D environment, such as the Screw Attack, and that's about it. Oh, and it still kicks ass.
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 039/044 --- Matches: 33/38 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: LttP

"Good idea? Bad idea?"

If we get stats from it, good idea... If we don't, bad idea. Only if we get stats can the break be considered to be worth it... well, that or a minor redesign of the front page that makes the poll visible at first glance again. Otherwise anything that puts off FF7's match is a waste of time, and every extra day I have to wait to see SotN again kills me. The anticipation of that match is too much. I did, as I once stated before, stay on until midnight to see it's first match. That's the first time I had been there for the start of a match since the servers were moved to the west coast. Dont delay my matches, I'm desperate to see them!
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And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow

Yeah, the only way I can see this delay being a good thing would be with the addition of stats. Maybe its a good time to do it. The boards will be abuzz from E3, so we'll have plenty to talk about for a day. And CJayC can do whatever he needs to do to churn out some stats for us.
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Mega Man in the Summer Contest '04? You better believe it!

Fusion isn't even a factor, Slowflake, as it's not even in the contest. BUt nevertheless it's still played from a 2D point of view. Prime is 3D. And not only is it 3D it's not especially an original take on 3D. I don't know how many SM fans are turned off by this, but I'm sure most Prime fans are turned off by anything that isn't as pretty, meaning to them no Metroid will ever be as good until Prime 2 comes out.
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And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow

You speak as though "graphic whores" are everywhere and are supposed to be selective enough to anti-vote Super Metroid - but not LttP or anything else. That's what I'm understanding.
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...it's like i'm ****ing invisible over here.

fine, i'll just lump myself in with a poster that gets noticed: i agree with most of what chichirimuyo is saying as well.
it's surprising how many people in this serious discussion topic are heavily biased in favor of zelda.

My apologies, redline!
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No, slow, I'm saying that graphics whores will support Prime over Super. I still beleive that Prime is more likely to be the series' big performer here, and as such Samus' popularity stems from Prime and the graphics whores. From this you should be able to derive the one thing I'm trying to drive home; Super Metroid =/= Samus at her full strength. In simple terms, I expected SM to do far worse than Samus even before the contest started.
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ChichiriMuyo is officially the Discussion Guru Encyclopedia - UltimaterializerX
And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow

I can't wait for this division to go away...all this stupid LttP talk...and Zelda before it...I shall be teh laughing when no Zelda game makes the final four.

Your going to be in for such a surprise... ;)
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Nintendo® - The Beginning and the End
But as the light fades... Will the hero rise again? Or will darkness reign?

And just so you know, the Spring Contest will be taking the day off tomorrow between divisions, returning on Saturday, giving us a chance to rest up after the last day of the show.

I`m not seeing that anywhere.
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But in 2002, when Prime wasn't even out and it was badmouthed to hell... remember when Samus still ran over more than decent competition en route to a 47% against Sephiroth?
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 041/046 --- Matches: 34/39 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: FF6

It says it Ulti.
Last line of the first paragraph.
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ChichiriMuyo is officially the Discussion Guru Encyclopedia - UltimaterializerX
And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow

And just so you know, the Spring Contest will be taking the day off tomorrow between divisions, returning on Saturday, giving us a chance to rest up after the last day of the show.

That never happened in the first round...what makes you think it will happen in the second? O_o

No...don't think so.
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The only real competition it faced was between Sonic and Sephiroth. Sonic didn't exactly roll over and die, and Sephiroth proved to be even stronger the next year. At the time there wasn't any evidence to prove that Ryu was anything more than mid tier. She didn't do horribly, but then again why would she? She has the Nintendo machine behind her, and she appeared in SSB. If nothing else she was still recognized by the graphics whores who love Nintendo's games.
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ChichiriMuyo is officially the Discussion Guru Encyclopedia - UltimaterializerX
And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow

If CJayC gives us stats within the break, then I`ll be fine with the change. But even then, taking 40 matches to put up stats is ludicrous.
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Speaking of stats, sign this:

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=14057138
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Well, now we know Ryu wasn't a fluke, and Sonic still ranked a very honorable #9 last year. Sonic, Samus and Snake were pretty much on par that year. I don't suspect many Samus voters to come from SSB or general Nintendo fanboys, else Bowser would've gotten a little more competition in the first round last year.
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 041/046 --- Matches: 34/39 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: FF6

Alright, I'm of to work everybody. try not to be too boring while I'm gone, okay?
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ChichiriMuyo is officially the Discussion Guru Encyclopedia - UltimaterializerX
And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow

Ouch. Well, I can say this about Xenogears. The ending may have been too slow for most people to even care about it anymore, but at least it didn't start out extremely slow like Xenosaga. They gave you time to at least care for the characters, while in Xenosaga you're bored before you even get to start.

Xenogears: A game I wouldn’t replay unless a loaded gun was pointed at my cat’s head
Xenosaga: My 2nd favorite game of all time.

Given that information, I think you can guess my response to your comment :)

Creativename, you’ve already pointed out the fatal flaw of your own percentage system for Zelda (that being that the games aren’t truly independent). I wouldn’t be too surprised, truthfully, if one got in, or even two on a good day, but this crap about an all Zelda final four is making me ill. Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy VII, at the very least, will prevent that from happening. I’d say the first and last Zelda have a better chance of making it into the final four than the superior two in the middle, ironically enough.

Here’s my current odds on which games will make it to the final four:

SMB3: 50%
Zelda: 50%

Chrono Trigger: 60%
LttP: 40%

FFVII: 65%
OoT: 35%

Wind Waker: 45%
FFX: 55%

Samus is the sum of her games, Link is the Mean.

OMFG! I agree with Chichiri on something!
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Current Sp2K4 Score: 45/46, Next Winner: Final Fantasy VI

Someone just told me on AIM that Samus and I would make a great couple. That`s good to know.

Oh, and the poll Slowflake was referring to: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=366
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While we are all at it....

SMB3: 52%
LoZ: 48%

LttP: 60%
CT: 40%

OoT: 60%
FFVII: 40%

WW: 70%
FFX: 30%
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Nintendo® - We Make Games Worth Playing
But as the light fades... Will the hero rise again? Or will darkness reign?

If I had to guess...

LoZ: 65%
SMB3: 35%

LttP: 70%
CT: 18%(I don't see CT beating both SMW and LttP)
Final not featuring Lttp vs CT: 12%

OoT: 50%
FFVII: 50%

WW: 45%
FFX: 40%
FInal not featuring WW vs FFX: 15%
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Contest Score: 46/192
Next Pick : FF6

My two cents...this is estimated chance to win division right?

Mario 3: 66%
Zelda 1: 34%

CT: 50%
LttP: 40%
FF3 or SMW: 10%

FF7: 51%
OoT: 49%

FFX: 45%
WW: 45%
Something else: 10%
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My Bracket: (Still only missed two)
http://home.fuse.net/jimholte/dethwing/spring-bracket.html

smitelf, page 4:
Xenogears would have made an excellent anime, I am sure, but it was a downright crappy game.
smitelf, page 6:
Xenogears: A game I wouldn’t replay unless a loaded gun was pointed at my cat’s head
Xenosaga: My 2nd favorite game of all time.

these statements...kind of conflict.
i like xenosaga just fine...but if there was ever a game that wanted to be an anime, that was it...

my divisional predictions, just for kicks and giggles:

loz: 50%
smb3: 50%

ct: 40%
lttp: 30%
ff3 or smw: 30%

ff7: 55%
oot: 45%

ww: 35%
ffx: 45%
something else: 20%
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signature (n.): a random bit of gibberish that no one ever reads.

I can put numbers in too, based on gut feeling and random number selecting.

Div. 8:
SMB 3 - 45%
Zelda I - 45%
Tetris - 10%

Div. 16:
CT - 40%
LttP - 40%
FF VI - 15%
SMW - 5%

Div. 32/64:
FF VII - 48%
OoT - 48%
Goldeneye - 3.334%
SotN - 0.666%

Div. 128:
WW - 30%
Metroid Prime - 25%
SSBM - 25%
Starcraft - 15%
Vice City - 5%

And I wouldn't hold my breath for stats. With all the problems with the site, Ceej just won't have the time.

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"SotN - 0.666%"

best. prediction. in the last day or so.

made me laugh...

these statements...kind of conflict.
i like xenosaga just fine...but if there was ever a game that wanted to be an anime, that was it...

How so? Because of the long cutscenes? I actually found them to be nice breaks from playing but they were too clumped together in some places (a minor problem to be fixed in Ep. 2). The gameplay was good -- getting tech points became an obsession for me :) -- and it was actually pretty challenging for a modern console RPG, as well.

How could you say Xenosaga would be more of an anime than Xenogears (aside from the obvious advances in technology)? At least Xenosaga *had* gameplay for more than half of its length.
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Current Sp2K4 Score: 45/46, Next Winner: Final Fantasy VI

Match #39 Review:

Err...holy hot damn. Judging from LttP's performance here...unless it does reeeeallllly bad against FFVI next round, I see no reason that it shouldn't be able to take down CT/SMW as well.

Match #41 Preview:

Meh.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

"OMFG! I agree with Chichiri on something! "

If you're anything like Ulti then before you know it we'll be best of friends! :) But, really... I can't imagine you touching Xenosaga. You knew what Xenogears was like, and withing the first hour or more of the game being on you really only spend 10-15 doing anything other than reading. I couldn't pay attention long enough to know what was going on because I didn't even care. At least with gears by the time the action slowed to a crawl you had soem reason to care for the characters... all Xenosaga had going for it in the first hour were a couple of hotties that you knew (or at least hoped) would eventually do somehting. I couldn't take it any more, I put in Kingdom Hearts. That too bored me after an hour, but at least I did sometihng in that time. Why, why can't I have a Lufia or Lunar game for the PS2?
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And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow

"Goldeneye - 3.334%
SotN - 0.666%"

Son, only because having .666% for SotN is humorous do you continue to live. I still have faith in Alucard's plan, and I believe Goldeneye will lose. I mean, this is GameFAQs after all, and I can't see two nearly identical games being that differnt in score. Sure, Goldeneye can win, but I'm the last person who will count SotN out (and yes, by that, should I be disappointed I will hold out hope that Ceej finds a cheater until GE vs OoT/SM64 actually plays out, and possibly even longer than that)
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ChichiriMuyo is officially the Discussion Guru Encyclopedia - UltimaterializerX
And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow

I've yet to see any evidence as to why Wind Waker should be given a 70% chance to win division 128 as compared to FFX's 30%. Both performed similarly in the first round, and there is NO way there is that much of a gap between the popularity of Skies of Arcadia and Shenmue. I'd wager that the latter is more well-known to the casual gamer.
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Spring Contest 2004: 42/46
Today: (2)Final Fantasy VI over (10)Doom

Leonhart, really, it's idle speculations and it's probably all way off. Hell, it assuems that each division only has two possible winners and that's not the case.
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ChichiriMuyo is officially the Discussion Guru Encyclopedia - UltimaterializerX
And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow

Yep... just can't wait till SotN spanks GE.
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ChichiriMuyo is officially the Discussion Guru Encyclopedia - UltimaterializerX
And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow

Now, Leonhart mentioned a thing about popularity and name-recognition.

By using what gave Shenmue any votes as the loser could prove how Goldeneye will be the winner against SotN: Name recognition, and popularity.

I've played both games plenty, and must say that Goldeneye has it beat...Badly.

From: PokemonPatriarch | Posted: 5/13/2004 11:37:25 PM | Message Detail
"Now, Leonhart mentioned a thing about popularity and name-recognition.

By using what gave Shenmue any votes as the loser could prove how Goldeneye will be the winner against SotN: Name recognition, and popularity.

I've played both games plenty, and must say that Goldeneye has it beat...Badly."

Please, for the love of god, someone translate. I cannot understand what that means. All I know is that they seem to think Goldeneye is better than SotN, and they say they played both. The contradictions, they hurt my brain. And what does Shenmue have to do with SotN and Goldeneye?
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ChichiriMuyo is officially the Discussion Guru Encyclopedia - UltimaterializerX
And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow

Wait, are you trying to say that Castlevania lacks name recognition? On GameFAQs? I suppose comming from soemone who thinks Goldeneye is the better game this shouldn't be too surprising... but, still... the implication that even one person on this site beleives Castlevania lacks name-recognition and popularity... head.... swimming... falling... bleeding...
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ChichiriMuyo is officially the Discussion Guru Encyclopedia - UltimaterializerX
And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow

my head's still bleeding, but before I seek a doctor I wish to state that should I die... ulti gets everything...
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all my debts, that is :P

Oh, wait, I'm not dying and I don't have debts. Just... no one ever let that guy imply Castlevania lacks name recognition again.
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ChichiriMuyo is officially the Discussion Guru Encyclopedia - UltimaterializerX
And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow

You can keep your debts. I already have Samus Aran, and I refuse to use the profits she makes from killing off various brains to help pay off a fee that someone else racked up without buying anything for me. That was a very underhanded attempt at stuffing your responsibilities on me, Chichiri. I like it =)

And while everyone else is doing it:

SMB3: 48%
Zelda 1: 52%

Chrono Trigger: 49%
LTTP: 51%

FF7: 55%
OOT: 45%

Wind Waker: 40%
FFX: 30%
SSBM: 30%
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I would like to take this moment to politely and sincerely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf

Dun worry. I don't owe a cent to anybody. Anyway... sicne it's so popular and eveything... I guess I'll do it too...

Alucard's plan 100%


Yep, looks right to me.
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And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow

Past and Present Contest Statistics and Discussion - Part 17

I vote to have that be the name for all of the topics. It`s long to catch attention, yet holds true to the core fo the original name.

Oh, and today`s matchup showed me that the Zelda titles may not be as strong as everyone thinks. LTTP`s match managed 72000 votes in 26 hours, while FF6`s match managed an extra 2000 votes in 22 hours. My faith in Chrono Trigger waivered a bit after its match earlier this week, but now I`m feeling better about it.

And for the record, this post was made at 3AM, right around this poll`s 22 hour mark. I have no clue when the poll will actually end, but as of right now it has roughly 74000 votes.
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The polls weren't loading during portions of Lttp vs Metroid.
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Contest Score: 48/192
Next Pick : FF7

While everyone is doing these:

SMB3: 55%
Zelda 1: 45%

LTTP: 70%
CT: 29%
SMW: 1%

OOT: 55%
FFVII: 45%

Wind Waker: 70%
FFX: 15%
SSBM: 15%

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Spring Contest 2004 (Best. Game. Ever.): My Score: 46/48 Today's Pick: Final Fantasy VII

Yes, the loading stopped right before the contest poll for me, a lot of times.

Besides, it's not like total votes mattered in the past... I'll bring up Mario vs. Cloud again, for old times' sake.

Well, time for my question of the day...

42.11% brackets had Shadow beating Wario. Do you think any first round matches this year could have gone lower than that?
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 041/046 --- Matches: 34/39 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: FF6

300 karma! :) Go me!

Estimated date of Legend status...July 3rd. heh

Estimated date of this contest ending...June 7th hehe

Estimated date of stats...Never. :(
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SCK24: 46/50 Trivia XIII: Diehards Forever
Steve Illumina: Standing tall against fanboys for over 20 years