I liked Xenogears, but not that much. The gameplay on the second disc was indeed quite boring, but the story was interesting, and reading Perfect Works only helped to make it seem better. Out of the 13 or so PS games I've played, I would rank it at 12.

As for its match against FFVII...this match means absolutely nothing. If FFVII does better than it did in the first round, that means Xenogears is weaker than Suikoden 2. If FFVII does worse, the opposite is true. The only thing I can think of that we'll get from this match is a comparison of FFVII vs. Pokemon to Cloud vs. Pikachu, which isn't very useful at all, considering today's match only gives us that LttP > Link and/or SM < Samus. It doesn't really tell us anything about how LttP will fare in the contest.

It's even the same thing in tomorrow's match with FFVI. What will it tell us? Whether Mortal Kombat or Doom is stronger. Nothing more than that, as MK being stronger means that PC games are weak and/or fighting games are strong and/or MK is strong at this site. Doom doing better means that PC games are strong and/or fighting games are weak and/or FPS are strong and/or Doom is strong at this site.

"Out of the 13 or so PS games I've played, I would rank it at 12."

You must be playing from the top 25 list or sometihng then.
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ChichiriMuyo is officially the Discussion Guru Encyclopedia - UltimaterializerX
And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow

You must be playing from the top 25 list or sometihng then.

Actually, I'm playing from the only got a PS 3.5 years ago and play RPGs very slowly list. On average, I've probably played my PS games about 120 hours each, while spending time playing games on other systems and not playing too many games in general. Plus, it's not too easy to find PS games where I live. Oh, and I should have said played and beaten. I have played a few more than that.

Match #38 Review:

Jesus. SMW did a lot better than expected...CT is in trouble next round.

Match #40 Preview:

FFVI will win by a bigger margin than in its last match.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

And, to try to get this discussion back on topic, may I mention yet *again* that I'm sick to death of people thinking LttP has it all won because it can soundly beat a lesser game from its own company? I know Super Metroid is nothing to scoff at but the SFF is huge in this match. This match says nothing about its performance against Crono Trigger, which I expect will be found lacking in the end.

Before this match even began I was sold on LttP being near OoT`s strength and that it would definitely take the division and move onto the finals. The showing of strength today just helps reaffirm what I had thought, this is definitely something no matter how you look at it, 75% against Super Metroid is pretty big. But again I`ve been under the idea that CT is going out to LttP for a while, and now I`m even hoping that SMW is able to overcome it with the performance yesterday.

Yes, well, most of the peopel still going on about LttP are probably lacking a bit compared to us in this topic. Everyone went crazy but had time to calm down and realize that it's nothign special considering everything else that's happened. People are just setting their expectations too low and then when they are broken by a large margin they jump to unnecessary conclusions. I can see it tomorrow, if FF6 is winning by 75%... "Oh my god, It's gonna be a FF6 vs FF7 finals!!!!!111!!!!1!!!one!11!!!". Just chill people. This is the Spring contest, not Summer, and you shouldn't have Summer-like expectations.

Lol, that could not be said better. If we do see this happen in the topic your the first one to call it. ;)
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NintendoŽ - The Beginning and the End
But as the light fades... Will the hero rise again? Or will darkness reign?

*smacks phediuk*
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ChichiriMuyo is officially the Discussion Guru Encyclopedia - UltimaterializerX
And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow

Seriously man, people have been putting up 70% as FF6's necessary counter, if it exceedes that by about 5 people will flip out almost as much as people seeing LttP exceeding by 9. It may not be in this thread, but it'll hit this board. If 70% is its counter anything better than that may cause a near riot, essecially against an opponent that could either be completely blown out or able to put up a real fight. No one knows what Doom can do, it's a PC game but we've seen that they aren't as bad as their characters. I wouldn't be surprised to see the two within 10%, I likewise won't be surprised to see Doom get chumped like a two-bit hooker. Nothing surprises me now, though. But them... they see 70% on a Metroid and it's like hell froze over. Why is so impossible? Because we've seen the Summer results? **** the Summer, this isn't the summer. It's a whole new game, and we need to have all new expectations (aka no expectations) about it. This isn't Samus vs. Link, this is LttP vs. SM... and to me, this feels right. Link vs. Samus felt right to me, and this feels right to me. It is, simply put, as it should be.
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ChichiriMuyo is officially the Discussion Guru Encyclopedia - UltimaterializerX
And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow

Jesus. SMW did a lot better than expected...CT is in trouble next round.

Preach it! I agree. =)
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NintendoŽ - The Beginning and the End
But as the light fades... Will the hero rise again? Or will darkness reign?

I agree with that post. =) Funny again too.
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NintendoŽ - The Beginning and the End
But as the light fades... Will the hero rise again? Or will darkness reign?

CT isn't in for anymore trouble next round than you should it expect it to be. If you were confident about CT there is absolutely nothing that should shake your confidence. If you were already worried then keep on worrying away. The results are just too crazy to use to predict later rounds. What would you say if LoZ beat SMB3 70/30? It's crazy, but after seeing Metroid's losses it's not impossible, is it? Will you proclaim it the destined winner then? Maybe there really is a SFF in the Sp contest, maybe I'm right and these matches are playing out logically, or maybe all the bandwagons are rigth and Mario 3, LoZ, CT, SMW, and LttP are all locks for the same spot in the finals. Yeah, that's it, they'll all make it there to go toe to toe against SotN! And lose! Please, it's just a crazy game, this SpC, and if you leave yourself in a SC defined box then you're just not going to be able to grasp the implications (or lack thereof) of each match.
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ChichiriMuyo is officially the Discussion Guru Encyclopedia - UltimaterializerX
And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow

OMG! Look at how FFVI is owning with 73% right now! IT cannot be stopped, we might as well stop right now and just let FFVI have a ride to the finals, that is just crazy....


Or its not and I just felt the need to do it, overall nothing that impressive.
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NintendoŽ - The Beginning and the End
But as the light fades... Will the hero rise again? Or will darkness reign?

Lol, 70% against Doom is not impressive.
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Boards Hunted: 4098
I would like to take this moment to politely and sincerely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf

Don`t know whether or not you were being sarcastic or not but honestly I`m not worried in the slightest about it beating LttP. =)

Then again tomorrow I expect stuff like how LttP needs to worry, heh.
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NintendoŽ - The Beginning and the End
But as the light fades... Will the hero rise again? Or will darkness reign?

Did I say 73%? I meant 70.2% and falling. XP
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NintendoŽ - The Beginning and the End
But as the light fades... Will the hero rise again? Or will darkness reign?

69.85% right now, heh.
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NintendoŽ - The Beginning and the End
But as the light fades... Will the hero rise again? Or will darkness reign?

Nah, it's climbing, over 71% now.

All I draw from this result is that FF6 is weaker than Chrono Trigger (Super Mario RPG is a substantially stronger opponent than Doom on GameFAQs, I'd imagine). You can't really compare this to LttP's match, given all the unknowns involved there (SFF, etc.) but I would think LttP is the favourite (though not quite as commanding a one as some believe).

Neo ElfBoy is right. there are still inknown factors between yesterday's and today's matches, but right now it doesn't look so good for FF6. =(

oh, and i completely agree with everything smitelf said about Xenogears. it felt like the game was originally three discs long, but Square ran out of development time and had to cram the last two discs into one disc.

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Current Score: 41/44 (through SMW vs. Sonic 2) ?????/????? with ???? other people
A WINNER of Trivia 12

Hey PC are strong look at Starcraft and
PC FPS are also strong look at Half-Life
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LUE is a cancer, and if it can't be destroyed, it must be contained. - CjayC
My Score 41/44 LoZ: LttP vs. Super Metroid

Hehe, MK owned the morning vote against FF6. Think Doom can do the same?

And even if FF6 would win it, it's not going to be enough next round.
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 039/044 --- Matches: 33/38 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: LttP

Pleased to see Doom putting up a respectable percentage. After yesterday's results it looked like a huge defeat was on, but 25%+ is decent.

What's more, I'm even more confident than I was yesterday that FF6 is done after this match.

Looking forward now, how sure are people that the higher seeds will win each match in the 32/64 division? I think they'll all get through but a couple could be fairly close.
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Jon Thomson - 32/39, 38/46 - today: Doom, tomorrow: FF7 (voting Xenogears)

"Every day when another game, no matter what it is, gets over 70, you are all jumping all over it like a fat kid on a pizza and proclaiming it the winner, the finalist, etc! Its exciting yes, but we just cant get ahead of ourselves! :)"

Steve, despite us both being guys, I wanna have your baby. :P

All you people, you need to stop and think before you declare your daily "teh winnar!"

"Newbie's Pick: Uhhhh....ummmm...Umaro!"

Shouldn't that be LUE's pick? :)

Anyways, guys, don't forget... most of the voters didn't know there even was a Super Metroid when it was out. They probably only knew of the SNES as something they weren't allowed to touch! While it's not sensible from an OG's (older gamer) standpoint, I'm gonna say Prime is the strongest Metroid on this site by a wide margin.

Chich: Awesome post bud! Thanks for being like the only one who agrees with me on many points. And yep, "LUE's pick" replaces the Newbie Pick in my Round 3 match commentaries, just to mock that bastion of intelligence infertility.

Love how you mock the young so-called gamers who do not fully appreciate the SNES, the best of all systems, and how you bash the Capcom vs SNK voters...lol. They are clueless. And yep Prime is loved on this site, when Super is the better game. Oh well...they are both done in Round 2 anyway...

Great reading today when I got on here...

smitelf: Your analogy comparing Xenogears to a miscarriage was freaking brilliant. Chich: your arguments defending it were just as compelling

Meanwhile, FFVI delivers as expected...so will FFVII...
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SCK24: 44/48 Trivia XIII: Diehards Forever
Steve Illumina: Standing tall against fanboys for over 20 years

Are ya all ready? Fanboys? Gamers? Elites? Newbies? :) It's time for...the enhanced...

Steve Illumina Speaks

Indeed it is so, the infamous and ever humorous commentary continues, to offer some educated levity, here on this the true beacon of intelligence on this overly fanboy dominated board.

And so it proceeds, where the fanboy parade marches on in the "Golden Age" Division

ROUND 2: Match XXXXI

(1)Final Fantasy VII vs (9)Xenogears

Steve's Prediction: FFVII by 79.3%
Steve's Bracket: FFVII
Newbie's Pick: SEPHIROTH!
Upset Chances: Still moving onward...

Comments: Here we have another yawnfully simple match for the second of Square's big guns...the rear end of the back to back FF juggernaut, as iconisized FFVII takes on Xenogears.

FFVII...what can I say this time about this game...the game by which GameFAQ's revolves around in the eyes of many fanboys, elite observers, newbies, trolls, lamers, lurkers, LUE Lifers, and of course, King Ceej himself. Well I am sure I can think of something to say.

Xenogears...the lil RPG that could have been so much more. Loved or hated is the word peeps will give for this, unless they never heard of it, which I would say is true for more than a few baby gamers who are just realizing the GameCube really is shaped like a cube.

The FFVII fanboy cults are not too worried about Xeno, but they have enlisted a few more to join their cause. Joining the Square Squad, Aeris' Army, Barret's Brigade, Tifa's Babes, and the International Brotherhood of Squaresoft for this match are Vincent's Valentine Club and the Highwinders. So yep, the fanbase continues to rally fringe fanboy sects to their cause...the cause of victory.

Prepare for your baby, Suikoden II, for you will not be alone for long...

Why FFVII Will Win: Voting blocks: FF Fanboys, RPG lovers, and the universal truth that this is the best FF in the eyes of many nonobjective fanboys. (Yep I do feel FFVI is the best quality FF, though FFIV is my personal favorite for sentimental reasons and FFVII is one of my favorite games ever but it ranks below VI and IV and even IX on my list.)

Why Xeno Wont Win: Being a Square game also hurts it even more, cause we know where Square loyalties lie...dont we? If you dont know, point your web browser to www.disney.com and watch some Pooh cartoons.

Probable Results: Aeris' chants the Great Gospel, and Xeno shall fall to the lights of heaven, by a near 80% margin, setting the benchmark for blowouts in Round 2 against better competition than a certain primate who will remain nameless. (Sorry Zelda 1)

Best Bosses: FFVII: Palmer: Hilarious fight with Shinra's pudgy pork barrel. Reminds me of an old boss I had at the credit union I used to work at. Xeno: The last one, when it was finally over.
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SCK24: 44/48 Trivia XIII: Diehards Forever
Steve Illumina: Standing tall against fanboys for over 20 years

Hey, steve illumina, have you really played and beaten every single game on the contest bracket?

I find that hard to believe...
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

*** COMPARISONS GAME - Match #41 - (1) FINAL FANTASY 7 vs. (9) XENOGEARS ***

Sales

FF7 sold enough to be in the top 20 best-selling games of all time... where is Xenogears on that list? Nowhere in sight? You lose, thank you very much.

- Advantage FF7.

Franchises

If you can't figure this one out... I'll second Steve and say, watch some Pooh.

- Advantage FF7.

GameFAQs Status

Number of FAQs: FF7
Number of reviews: FF7
Average review score: FF7
Board activity: FF7

Once again, it's so lopsided it's ridiculous.

- Advantage FF7.

Board Odds Project

PICKS (out of 102)
Final Fantasy 7 - 102

POINT VALUE
1. Final Fantasy 7 - 4006
33. Xenogears - 61

Like pitting an NHL all-star team against a team of 6 year-olds.

- Advantage FF7.

Previous Rounds

Xenogears beat Pokémon by a surprising margin. But I'm still more impressed by FF7's total roasting of Suikoden 2.

- Advantage FF7.

Summer Contests / Polls of the Day

There was one poll that asked, what's your favorite Square game? I don't remember if Xenogears was there, but what was remembered about this poll was FF7 and CT being neck and neck.

But even if it wasn't there... we're talking SC2K3 champion, SC2K3 finalist, the guy who came closest to Link in 2002... is that enough?

- Advantage FF7.

Intangibles

Xenogears has its hardcore fans, but if there's one game that can rally a fanbase around it, it's FF7. I don't know if there's going to be SFF or not, but if there is, it's certainly not going to help Xenogears.

Remember MWIS' rendition of the Pokémon/Xenogears match? Yeah, like that. (Though, the Halo/Starcraft one where he got warned was still ages better.)

- Advantage FF7.

Conclusion: FF7 is about to wrap up its domination of an all-RPG 4-pack. What a surprise.
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 039/044 --- Matches: 33/38 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: LttP

I can't wait for this division to go away...all this stupid LttP talk...and Zelda before it...I shall be teh laughing when no Zelda game makes the final four.
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Engaged to MWIS 04/07/04
Current Sp2K4 Score: 43/44, Next Winner: Link to the Past

the odds strongly favor at least one Zelda game making the final four. my bracket says the original; yours may differ

the odds strongly favor at least one Zelda game making the final four. my bracket says the original; yours may differ

Which odds are these? You mean the meaningless speculation on the board?
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Engaged to MWIS 04/07/04
Current Sp2K4 Score: 45/46, Next Winner: Final Fantasy VI

how many zelda games remain eligible, in how many brackets, divided by how many spots are open.

Hey, steve illumina, have you really played and beaten every single game on the contest bracket?

Nope.

Never played Gunstar Heroes or Shenmue
Never beat 'unbeatable' stuff like Galaga.
The rest I have played and finished, yes. All the FF's. the other RPG's, all the Zelda games, the Mario games, etc. FF Tactics Advance is the most recent. Currently playing Sword of Mana with La Pucelle next in line on my hit list :)
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SCK24: 44/48 Trivia XIII: Diehards Forever
Steve Illumina: Standing tall against fanboys for over 20 years

Which odds are these? You mean the meaningless speculation on the board?

Obviously the odds are in favor of at least 1 Zelda game making it.

Let's use some very conserative esimates. Say The Legend of Zelda has a 30% chance of winning its division, A Link to the Past has a 25% chance, Ocarina of Time has a 30% chance, and Wind Waker has a 35% chance.

That would mean there's only a 23.9% chance of none of them making it.

The probabilites aren't truly indepdent, as one game failing makes other games failing more likely, but these are *extremely* conservative estimates that underrate The Legend of Zelda and especially A Link to the Past.
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Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4!
http://SC2K4.com/frog

Sorry to disrupt any deep discussions here but could someone please tell me what "SFF" means? I've seen it mentioned many times here and I'm wondering what it means?
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Spring Contest 2004 - 44/46 points
Bracket - Doom Vs. Final Fantasy VI

Same Fanbase Factor.
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Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4!
http://SC2K4.com/frog

"Xeno: The last one, when it was finally over."

Ouch. Well, I can say this about Xenogears. The ending may have been too slow for most people to even care about it anymore, but at least it didn't start out extremely slow like Xenosaga. They gave you time to at least care for the characters, while in Xenosaga you're bored before you even get to start.
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ChichiriMuyo is officially the Discussion Guru Encyclopedia - UltimaterializerX
And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow

The probabilites aren't truly indepdent, as one game failing makes other games failing more likely, but these are *extremely* conservative estimates that underrate The Legend of Zelda and especially A Link to the Past.

You're right. To say that Link to the Past has the smallest chance of reaching the final four is extremely conservative.

One thing I've been thinking about over the past couple of days is how the nomination system was set up, and how it could be done better next time. Granted, there's no perfect system, but I think the system used is fine, if you make one small change - allow three nominations per system instead of one.

Benefits:

Games on popular systems will pick up more votes, which will make for more accurate seedings. There's many great games on, say, the NES, and allowing three picks would reflect better what people think the good games really were. I'd imagine that with this system, at least one of the Mega Man games would have made it in, and a game like Contra would get a higher seeding, as it's not the first thing you'd probably think of as the best NES/arcade game, but it'd be in a lot of peoples top three.

Systems with one obvious choice *cough*Halo*cough* wouldn't have inflated seedings. Halo wouldn't pick up too many extra votes with this system, but games like Melee, Wind Waker and Metroid Prime would all pick up extra and bump Halo down a bit. Unpopular systems would also be reflected better with lower seedings in a similar way - Phantasy Star wouldn't be a five seed this way. You also wouldn't have, say, Adventure making the tournament.

PC and arcade games would be better represented. How is it seriously possible to select just one arcade game from Pong to the present day? You've not just got the situation where you've got different games in one division taking votes off each other, it's happening across the board. It's not unreasonable to say, for example, that Doom lost nominations to Half-Life, and vice versa. While this site is console dominated, you'd think that at least one PC-only game would have been seeded 8 or higher.

Opinions? I say again there's no perfect system, but this seems a lot fairer to everything.
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Jon Thomson - 32/39, 38/46 - today: Doom, tomorrow: FF7 (voting Xenogears)

Heh, I only see one source of objective opinion here, coming from Creativename. I pity those who let biased hype influence their brackets.
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Contest Score: 46/192
Next Pick : FF6

Personally, I'd rate the current odds as follows:

LoZ - 60%
SMB3 - 40%

LttP - 70%
CT - 30%

OoT - 55%
FF7 - 45%

WW - 70%
FF10 - 30%

Only reason why I'm slightly favoring OoT over FF7 is that in a close match involving a Nintendo heavyweight, count on these crafty Nintendo people to find a way through.
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 039/044 --- Matches: 33/38 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: LttP

^Didn't help Link last year. Only Samus and Mario has that ability.
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Contest Score: 46/192
Next Pick : FF6

Such a system still brings with it trouble. It also take a long time. But I can Really iagine the top 4 seeds going to Halo, SSBM, Prime, and WW because none of them have huge ammounts of competition on theri respective systems. PC games would still get shafted, and the same number of people will be the fill it all out types, so games like adventure can still get in. It's a better idea, but it's not the best.
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ChichiriMuyo is officially the Discussion Guru Encyclopedia - UltimaterializerX
And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow

He wasn't close enough to Cloud. The morning vote could only keep the gap at 2000, not close it.
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 039/044 --- Matches: 33/38 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: LttP

Ouch. Well, I can say this about Xenogears. The ending may have been too slow for most people to even care about it anymore, but at least it didn't start out extremely slow like Xenosaga. They gave you time to at least care for the characters, while in Xenosaga you're bored before you even get to start.

Well said, i agree again!
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SCK24: 44/48 Trivia XIII: Diehards Forever
Steve Illumina: Standing tall against fanboys for over 20 years

Didn't both Mario and Samus recover from 4 digit deficits before? I happen to think Zelda relies on night votes more than other heavyweights.
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Contest Score: 46/192
Next Pick : FF6

Slow, those guesses are pure speculation, and there is no reason to believe that Zelda games have that great of a chance. Saying LoZ at 60% is saying that it's almost in the bag. Right now it's as 50/50 as it can get. Saying LttP 70/30 over CT means your easily blinded by a SFF match. LttP hasn't fought an opponent that supposed to give it trouble yet. Super Metroid doesn't mean as much on GameFAQs as most of you seem to think. Giving OoT the win over FF7 means you fall prey to hype too easily. You can't even make an informed decission anymore because you're jumping to conclusions about things that haven't even happened yet. You've lost focus, and you should sit back and think about things objectively before you go one. And then, you go and say any game in 128 has that clear of a shot? I'm not convinced. What I am convinced of, though, is that you're still in a summer mindset and that you need to get out of it.
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ChichiriMuyo is officially the Discussion Guru Encyclopedia - UltimaterializerX
And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow

I agree that other divisions can be narrowed down to 2 games, but is it safe to count Smash Bros Melee out of the equation? I still haven't a clue how strong MGS2 was...
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Contest Score: 46/192
Next Pick : FF6

It's not safe to count anyone out until their match has gone on for several hours and they are down by 3000 or more. That's when you can declare a winner, and not a vote sooner.
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ChichiriMuyo is officially the Discussion Guru Encyclopedia - UltimaterializerX
And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow

I'm with Chichiri on this one - we havent seen a Zelda game have a real non-SFF match yet, and until we do i don't know if slapping such high percentages on them makes much sense at all.

I especially disaggre with WW having a 70 percent chance of coming out winning division 128. I don't think theres a single game in that division that could be said to have anything close to a 50 percent chance from what we've seen so far, and there are still a solid four or five games with legitimate chances at taking it.

Again, not having seen the 32/64 and 128 division Zelda matches, we don't really know what to expect from the franchise as a whole yet.
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SP2k4C : Winner - Chrono Trigger

Chich: Awesome post bud! Thanks for being like the only one who agrees with me on many points.

...it's like i'm ****ing invisible over here.

fine, i'll just lump myself in with a poster that gets noticed: i agree with most of what chichirimuyo is saying as well.
it's surprising how many people in this serious discussion topic are heavily biased in favor of zelda.

that is all...
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signature (n.): a random bit of gibberish that no one ever reads.

Problem is, what kind of monster does it take to get SFF votes on SUPER FREAKING METROID?
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 039/044 --- Matches: 33/38 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: LttP

Problem is, what kind of monster does it take to get SFF votes on SUPER FREAKING METROID?

Without having any idea of how well liked Super freaking Metroid is, we have no idea. That's the problem. Samus as a character does well enough, but who knows what kind of devotion people actually have to her games. None of the metroid games has performed impressively, to say the least.
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SP2k4C : Winner - Chrono Trigger

Sorry Redline, I just post more often and use stronger words. I wave a banner. I'm glad to see you following it :) Plus, add to that the fact that I've been posting in the Stats topics significantly longer... but yeah, it's not like you're wrong or anything. I mean, you did agree with me after all :)

I am personally biased toawrds Zelda, or least the ones we've seen so far. I love old-school Zelda, but I'm not jumping to any conclusions about its performance yet. In round 1 nobody would even listen to me when I said not to count out Zelda yet, now no one listens to me when I say "hey, don't go overboard". Unless you're of a moderate mind like myself you're blowing everything out of proportion, people. It's all very fun and exciting, I know, but enjoy it for the fun and excitment and don't think that it means anything till we see what it means.

Slow, all things considered, I imagine any of the 3 Mario games in this contest would also punk Super Metroid. There's no point in speculating by how much, but I have no doubt that Super Metroid cannot beat and Mario or Zelda games in this contest. Samus = the sum of her games; Mario and Link = the mean of their respective games (which, given Mario's more numerous "lesser" outings, it makes sense that Link beats Mario). Anyone who thought Super Metroid would put up a good fight doesn't know GameFAQs like I know GameFAQs. I didn't hesitate for a split secod on LttP vs. Super Metroid because I KNEW that with the way GameFAQs is they aren't even considered to be in the same league. SM never had a chance to win, and personally I never even thought it had a chance to do as well as Samus. Why should it? To the long time Metroid fans Samus gets their vote, to the Prime fans Samus gets their vote... but does Super Metroid get Prime's vote? I'd be willing to be that more SM fans carry over to Prime than vice vera.
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ChichiriMuyo is officially the Discussion Guru Encyclopedia - UltimaterializerX
And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow

Heh, without SSB I wouldn't have ever even thought twice about Samus. She'd have had a really hard time getting my vote as I'm far from being a big Metroid fan, but she was by far my favorite to play in SSBM. Her games are awesome, don't get me wrong, but if I had to rank every game in the contest 1-64 the Metroid games wouldn't be seeing top 10 personally.
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ChichiriMuyo is officially the Discussion Guru Encyclopedia - UltimaterializerX
And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow