Hm, don't forget that because Donkey Kong is much weaker than Metroid, that it probably got affected by SFF more. On top of that, using extrapolated standings puts Pac-Man and Donkey Kong/Duck Hunt about on par with each other. I wouldn't be too surprised if Pac-Man would pull a victory against either of those games. I still have faith in SMB3.

Speaking of today's match, if there's any result that has surprised me, it is today's. I figured that if Zelda: LttP received 65% against Super Metroid that it would have the division won.

I originally expected about a 65% victory for Zelda: OoT against Super Mario 64, but now I would be very surprised if SM64 could get 30%. It's just another one of those matchups, where most almost everyone will agree that one of the games is clearly better. (In this case, OoT)

That can also relate to FFVII in a way...FFX vs. Shenmue is a bit deceiving, I think. FFX doesn't have nearly the love that FFVII has, and even if Xenogears has a pretty good following, FFVII will probably blow it away with about 80%. FFVII is "...one of the greatest games of all time." (millions of people) The majority of the Xenogears fanbase will vote for FF7, I believe. But, as someone said, 85% would be insane.

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NGamer64, since I know exagerations is about a billion years too advanced for you I'll have to explain that when I said 40% it was an overstatement. Sometimes I say things more strongly than I honestly believe them to be to make the statement more prominent. It's a fairly common technique to overstate a point. Even without owning an SNES people cna play Super Metroid. They can rent it or play it on emulator. I didn't discount those facts either, I was simply using a common technique to make for a more interesting conversation. However...

Poll 1386
How old are you?
Younger than 9 0.59% 529
9-12 4.26% 3797
13-17 47.93% 42682
18-25 39.58% 35245
26-30 4.74% 4222
31-35 1.34% 1191
35-40 0.57% 506
Older than 40 0.98% 877

The majority is just in that age range where they aren't very likely to have been a gamer when gaming was good. I wasn't bsing when I said most of the voters were in that age range because they quite simply are. Most GameFAQs users were in elementry school while Super Metroid was new. Since when does a PotD about a favorite game mean much? That's what is your favorite, and secodn favorite isn't counted, least favorite is counted and... hell... recognition isn't even counted. I would bet most Prime votes were from people who hadn't played the older games first if at all. On the other hand I'm sure the majority of the people who played Super also played Prime and would vote for both.

So, not only are you an ass, but you've made an ass of yourself by trying to use a poll that is merely circumstantial to prove my estimation of the average age of the average user is wrong. Sure, 80% owned an NES at sometime, and a bunch of them owned it as a hand me down from an older sibling that bought an SNES!!! The fact is this, the average user is too young to have played Super Metroid when it was new AND appreciated it. Zelda is easier to appreciate, and it has been re-released. LttP has a bigger advantage over Super Metroid than Link has over Samus for these reasons.

Take note, if you're going to act like an ass at least have something decent lying around to back it up like, oh, I dunno... a poll about users ages when you're talking about a user's age. Believe me, I've known people who have owned consoles older than them, it's not like they suddenly disappear. And favorite Metroid game has nothing to do with which one will bring in the most votes, I think we discovered that when Yoshi got more votes than Bowser in a favorite Mario character poll then got rocked by Bowser when the two reptiles went one on one. PotD means jack to Sp/S contests.

I'm honestly sorry my intelligence doesn't make sense to you, I know it's a tad off beat to think about age groups as they actually are on the site and to consider a newer game to be stronger because it has new fans and old fans backing it unlike the older games which doesn't get all of the new fans. It's tough, I know.

CN - I'd deffinately give Prime the edge, even if only slightly. It may not look like a threat to anything, but this is one wacky contest, no? And I can say with certainty that even if SM had higher total sales it had a much, much lower ratio compared to system sales. Though it seems absurd, that can make a difference.
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"where most almost everyone will agree that one of the games is clearly better. (In this case, OoT)"

Well, I'd personally disagree, Haste2. I'm of the opinion that Mario 64 is the superior game in regards to it being more revolutionary without sacrificing anything that made Mario games Mario games. My vote will go to Mario 64 without hesitation. It's a shame, however, that such a great match couldn't be postponed until the third round.

I must, however, say again... Peopel need to stop hopping on these game X will win!1!!1!one!1!! bandwagons just because it does much better than your expectations. Other than Final Fantasy what HASN'T exceeded expecations this round? And that could just be from people underestimating the greatness of Contra. Everybodies expectations are too low. Your expectations should be adjusted as such: If you thought 65% made LttP a lock for the division, increase all expectations by 7%, if you thought 65% made LttP a lock for the finals increase all expectations by 12%, if you think LttP's score today makes OoT a lock to beat FF7 stop. Just stop. You're comparing red apples to green apples. Sure, they're still both apples, but theres enough different about them that the performance of one means nothing about the performance of the other, especially when FF7 is involved. We've heard talk about Zelda countering Mario... but FF7 hasn't had its chance to counter. And really, while FF is big here none of the others are half of what 7 ammounts to. I'd be surprised if we don't see another voting jump for 7. It may not be in the 100k range like it should be, be even with all the 75k votes we've seen lately I still wouldn't be surprised to see it in the 90k area. :) Okay, so mid 80s. Don't count the beast out of the game before you see it rip another top notch game to pieces... especially when you haven't seen it's "innevitable" opponent's r2 match.
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"The majority of the Xenogears fanbase will vote for FF7, I believe."

You severaly underestimate the Xenogears fanbase. They aren't that populous, but they'll vote Xenogears over anything, including FFVII. There really isn't any game out there that's more polarizing, you either think it's the best game ever or hate it.

Poll 1011

Under 9 0.53% 357
9-12 4.19% 2811
13-15 26.53% 17796
16-17 23.31% 15637
18-21 27.15% 18216
22-25 10.86% 7288
26-30 4.53% 3039
31-35 1.34% 898
36-40 0.43% 288
Over 40 1.13% 758

Pretty close to the same, with a higher leaning for the 13-17 range, but showing even more specifically what age group people are in. The 18-25 group is obviously shown to lean much more heavily to the lower end of the spectrum.
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You severaly underestimate the Xenogears fanbase. They aren't that populous, but they'll vote Xenogears over anything, including FFVII. There really isn't any game out there that's more polarizing, you either think it's the best game ever or hate it.

Any logical affection for Xenogears as a game would be inversely proportional to how much of it one has played.
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All these certain performances do for me is further contain my previous opinion before the match started. For me, I had been saying for a while now that LttP would win this division and move onto the finals, and this just "locks" what I previously thought. I knew SMW had a shot at CT and now I know its definitely going to do that if not upset it, and of course SMB3 the game I knew would make the Final Four - and my winner - before this started and I`m still convinced it will. There`s nothing showing me it won`t until the day of the match, or unless SMB3 does terrible against FF and LoZ just utterly kills Tetris. I`m definitely one of the ones who just uses these performances to further back my previous opinion, and I`ve been sticking by my opinion that OoT is taking out FFVII for a while now. =) Lets see if it`ll happen...
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"Any logical affection for Xenogears as a game would be inversely proportional to how much of it one has played."

Absolutely weak. Then again, the same could be said for Starcraft (Ulti: I'm joking).

Really, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't one of the best RPGs Square put out for the PSX.

HM - You're saying the same thing about Mario 3, it's just not clear. LttP is far from done, and OoT has the craziest monster around for an opponent. NEVER underestimate FF7, never.
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Absolutely weak. Then again, the same could be said for Starcraft (Ulti: I'm joking).

Someone. Wants. To. Die.

<3
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Which past Final Fantasy title would you most like to see remade on a next-gen system?

Final Fantasy 10.33% 2477
Final Fantasy II (Japan) 1.78% 427
Final Fantasy III (Japan) 4.71% 1130
Final Fantasy IV 5.62% 1348
Final Fantasy V 3.28% 787
Final Fantasy VI 23.06% 5531
Final Fantasy VII 38.89% 9327
Final Fantasy VIII 7.29% 1749
Final Fantasy IX 5.04% 1209
TOTAL VOTES 23985

Think about the implications of that. FF7 was only about 4 or 5 years old. Do you really think that it's more in need of a remake than FF6? That's what a monster looks like... even at a mere 5 years old people want to see it reborn. Even Nintendo hasn't released remakes of an game made in the time since FF7 came out. That's crazy man, and you can't rely deny that.
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Yeah, smiltelf does :)

At least I was joking about it. She said what she said in seriousness.
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You're saying the same thing about Mario 3, it's just not clear. LttP is far from done, and OoT has the craziest monster around for an opponent. NEVER underestimate FF7, never.

Saying the same what? I`ve been saying from the first day that SMB3 is going to win that division and I`ve never backed down from that statement. It would take a terrible performance from SMB3 - 55% - and a tremendous performance from LoZ - 75% - to make me start to seriously worry. And I`m deadset in my idea that LttP is going to be in the finals of this contest, I`m hardpressed to believe anything is going to stop it before the finals, yes even SMB3 can`t stop it. And FFVII I`m not underestimating it because I know it can win but like I`ve been saying for a while I`m going with my personal favorite and gut in saying OoT is going to win its not a matter of facts to back it up. They are both virtually even so I`m just going with what I believe... =)
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Which side do you really think would win in a fight?
Capcom 78.48% 12528
SNK 21.52% 3436
TOTAL VOTES 15964

This poll proves one thing without a doubt. 78.48% of GameFAQs doesn't know what the hell it's talking about.
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"Any logical affection for Xenogears as a game would be inversely proportional to how much of it one has played."

Absolutely weak. Then again, the same could be said for Starcraft (Ulti: I'm joking).

Really, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't one of the best RPGs Square put out for the PSX.

Uh, well, yeah, it does :)

I never said one couldn’t love it as a game after having played through it all, simply that such love would be illogical – and mostly a defensive measure to protect the place in one’s heart for the first disc against the ravages of the second. Love for its story or characters is completely understandable, but as a *game*, it’s among the worst I’ve played because of the innumerable failings of the second disc. These failings are largely incontrovertible and I accuse anyone who believes Xenogears to be a polished and well-executed game in its second disc to be delusional.

Hold that affection to your breast, Chichiri. Hold it with all the warmth and joy of a mother cradling her slimy newborn, but know it to be a stillborn babe. That is what Xenogears is -- its warm, pliant flesh is a joy to hold in disc one but, in disc two, one discovers the infant to be DOA when its pulse fails to beat along with your own, which has been quickened by the intriguing story, lovable characters, and engaging gameplay. Imagine your pulse slowing as the flesh grows cold and the limbs stiff, as you begin to realize the truth. That babe which you thought to be your pride and joy, which you envisioned watching as it would take its first uncertain steps in the world, its first romance, its college graduation...all hopes of such things die with the expectation of hearing its first cries in the world outside your nurturing womb. Love what the infant could have been, Chichiri, but accept what it was.

Me, melodramatic? Nah...
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I am exceedingly disturbed now... Only Symphony of the Night can cleanse my mind of your ill, smitelf, since I am still waiting for my copy of Xenogears.
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Ah, exaggeration. To prove a point. Thank you for the clarification. So when you say "where kids who never owned an SNES make up 40% of the vote," what you actually mean is "where kids who never owned an SNES make up significantly less than 20% of the vote." I'll remember to double all of your assumptions from now on, to make up for the "slight exaggeration to prove a point" factor.

So wait guys, what's FF need to look impressive against Doom tomorrow? 140%?

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I don't know about well-polished but I didn't think the 2nd disk was that bad. A tad disappointing yes but not bad at all.
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So wait guys, what's FF need to look impressive against Doom tomorrow? 140%?

Half that and you'll have a happy smitelf.
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Half of it was exaggeration, the part about saying they never owned an SNES. The other half wasn't. More than 40% of the GameFAQs population isn't old enough to have played and enjoyed a game like Super Metroid when it was new. Now that you understand exaggeration I can perhaps teach you about reading comprehension...
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cyko's Point of View

Match 40

(2) Final Fantasy 3/6 vs. (10) Doom

does Doom have Mario in it's title? ............ nope. how about Link or Zelda?............ nope. alright, that settles that match. but how much does FF3 win by? who knows with the way this Second Round has gone...............

but this is personal!!! not only is Final Fantasy 6 my personal favorite game of all time, but Doom ruined my perfect bracket!!! i'm going against all logic and predicting a huge blowout for FF6 to prove it's not out of this contest yet!! for great justice!!!

blind prediction: Final Fantasy 3/6 with 77-81%

my bracket: Final Fantasy 3/6

personal favorite: Final Fantasy 3/6 - the Best. Game. Ever. Period.

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"Half that and you'll have a happy smitelf."

Will we have to hear about dead babies again if it doesn't hit 70%? *shudders*
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To me 70% isn`t going to make me worry about FFVI anymore than I am now, so I`m hoping for it to go under. ;)
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"To me 70% isn`t going to make me worry about FFVI anymore than I am now, so I`m hoping for it to go under. ;)"

If you're not worried why does it need less than 70%?
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The lower the better, I want LttP to look as good as possible to people in there. =)
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smitelf seems oddly experienced in the art of handing a miscarriage. Frankly, I find that post offensive. Seriously. Using miscarriage to explain your disdain for Xenogears is flat-out disgusting, and I for one would appreciate the deletion of that post.
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I don't know about well-polished but I didn't think the 2nd disk was that bad. A tad disappointing yes but not bad at all.

You mean...you *like* reading poorly translated text as it appears on a screen at the speed of macroevolution? In that case, you're not delusional -- you just have no access to a good book or movie, in which case I pity you. I play a game for gameplay as well as story and characters, and any game which tapers its gameplay off to near-nonexistent levels -- and by near-nonexistent, I mean that they occasionally threw in a boss battle against an enemy only heard of a few agonizing sentences prior, or the *very* occasional dungeon whose purpose has gotten so lost in the mish-mash of disappointment that is disc two that any desire to battle through it is crushed -- is no longer a game. Xenogears would have made an excellent anime, I am sure, but it was a downright crappy game.

In further news, I anticipate laughing at you all when Chrono Trigger wins its division.
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smitelf seems oddly experienced in the art of handing a miscarriage. Frankly, I find that post offensive. Seriously. Using miscarriage to explain your disdain for Xenogears is flat-out disgusting, and I for one would appreciate the deletion of that post.

I thank you for your complement to my imagination but I feel no urge to delete the post.
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In further news, I anticipate laughing at you all when Chrono Trigger wins its division.

I`m looking forward to A Link to the Past`s win myself. ;)

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Xenogears would have made an excellent anime, I am sure, but it was a downright crappy game.

I think half of that game`s point was to be an anime. The other half being to teach you about the various egos within the human psycho, as well as the strengths and weaknesses of each.

In further news, I anticipate laughing at you all when Chrono Trigger wins its division.

I hope you`re right, that`s for sure. But I still don`t get how both Street Fighter 2 and SMRPG could be stronger than Sonic 2.
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I think half of that game`s point was to be an anime. The other half being to teach you about the various egos within the human psycho, as well as the strengths and weaknesses of each.

Meh, I learned nothing in Xenogears that I couldn’t extrapolate from my high school psychology class. Nevertheless, I won’t deny that Id kicked ass…but he would have kicked 307% more ass in an anime.

I hope you`re right, that`s for sure. But I still don`t get how both Street Fighter 2 and SMRPG could be stronger than Sonic 2.

It’s just a mental block, Ulti, not one caused by any serious evidence to the contrary. In at least the case of SMRPG, there is a much larger force than Sega backing the game.
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'mental block'? As in, it`s difficult to imagine two weaker games being stronger than a mainsteam Sonic title? Eh, I guess you`re right.

And yes, Id pwns your face.
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'mental block'? As in, it`s difficult to imagine two weaker games being stronger than a mainsteam Sonic title? Eh, I guess you`re right.

But what evidence is there of them being "weaker" on this site? We're talking about a Square/Nintendo RPG with Mario in the title being more popular than a Sega game. The only reason this is hard to grasp is because most of us believe said Sega game to be of higher quality than the Square/Nintendo hybrid but quality, real or perceived, means nothing here.

And yes, Id pwns your face.

Wouldn't mind if he did...>_>
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"And yes, Id pwns your face.

Wouldn't mind if he did...>_>"

Way to kill a converstaion!
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Way to kill a converstaion!

Who would have thought that sexual innuendo would be more successful than dead babies?
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Certainly not I... however people seem to like being disgusted as a form of entertainment. If you ever look at the cover of a tabloid you'll understand what I mean.
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And yes, Id pwns your face.

Wouldn't mind if he did...>_>

I pwned your face first. Cute face, too.
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That deserves the official Squall response of "..."
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What I said? I thought it was funny.
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Never said it wasn't.

"..."

^_^
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... - ChichiriMuyo getting the hell out of the topic before it goes horribly horribly AIM-only worthy.
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i played xenogears.
i enjoyed the second disc.

the first disc was better...but by the time the second disc rolled around, i liked the story and characters enough to want to see more.
even with the format change...which i didn't find all that horrible in the first place.

so don't worry, chichirimuyo.
if you really get into the game...the second disc doesn't seem like a miscarriage after all...
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Just keep deluding yourself. Cradle the decaying corpse of disc 2 as long as your grasping psyche demands.
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Smitelf... you're ****ing messed up in the head, okay?

*looks around* Imma go where the saner (albeit far more annoying) people are.
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Maybe smitelf is deluding herself (or is it himself?) that people must hate the second disk of Xenogears.
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Smitelf... you're ****ing messed up in the head, okay?

Okay ^_^

Maybe smitelf is deluding herself (or is it himself?) that people must hate the second disk of Xenogears.

No. People must hate the *gameplay* of the second disc. Well, I shouldn’t say hate, since it is difficult to hate something virtually nonexistent, but lament its absence, just as one would lament the stillness of a newborn’s chest which should be rising and falling.

I hate the second disc for the vast disappointment that it was after the greatness of the first but don’t necessarily expect everyone to hate it for such reasons. Anyone who enjoyed the gameplay in disc 2 of Xenogears, however, is even more demented than I. What Square did -- or didn't do -- to that game is criminal and downright unprofessional from such a company.
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Well, I agree with you about the lack of gameplay part. However, I really don't think the second disk brought the entire game down much. All of that storytelling made the story a little clearer. Maybe that's why I don't share your view. I just didn't consider the non-gameplay parts all that terrible.
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Well, I agree with you about the lack of gameplay part. However, I really don't think the second disk brought the entire game down much. All of that storytelling made the story a little clearer. Maybe that's why I don't share your view. I just didn't consider the non-gameplay parts all that terrible.

Maybe it's because we play games for different reasons. I play a game...to *play* a game. Not to watch a delicious story unfold, not to drool over the character designs, but to interact in a digital environment. Though the latter does not necessarily have to take precedence at all times, it must be present and it must be halfway decent, even in an RPG. There was little interaction in disc 2 and what there was, was hugely dissatisfying, thus I have trouble even classifying disc 2 as a game. The game ended in disc 1, as far as I'm concerned. Disc 2 was a horribly slow and painful endeavor to finish a game for the sake of saying I had finished it. I got absolutely no enjoyment from it at all.

Sure, Xenogears had a good story and excellent characters on the whole, but there are infinitely better stories and characters out there in books and on TV. In the former, I can read the text at my own pace (which is about 3x faster than the text appeared on the screen) and don't have to kill my eyes reading it from a TV screen. On TV, there is voice acting and, obviously, better animation.

Xenogears did not want to be a game. It was squashed into a mold that it was not made for. Its creators did it a great disservice.

And, to try to get this discussion back on topic, may I mention yet *again* that I'm sick to death of people thinking LttP has it all won because it can soundly beat a lesser game from its own company? I know Super Metroid is nothing to scoff at but the SFF is huge in this match. This match says nothing about its performance against Crono Trigger, which I expect will be found lacking in the end.
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Yes, well, most of the peopel still going on about LttP are probably lacking a bit compared to us in this topic. Everyone went crazy but had time to calm down and realize that it's nothign special considering everything else that's happened. People are just setting their expectations too low and then when they are broken by a large margin they jump to unnecessary conclusions. I can see it tomorrow, if FF6 is winning by 75%... "Oh my god, It's gonna be a FF6 vs FF7 finals!!!!!111!!!!1!!!one!11!!!". Just chill people. This is the Spring contest, not Summer, and you shouldn't have Summer-like expectations.
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there is no denying that there are books that have better stories than xenogears.
but it still has an enjoyable story.
if you happen to get attached to that story while playing the game, you will still want to finish it.
and the second disc is not bad enough to keep most people from doing this.

And, to try to get this discussion back on topic, may I mention yet *again* that I'm sick to death of people thinking LttP has it all won because it can soundly beat a lesser game from its own company?

well, we can agree on this, at least.
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