Oops, these things always seem to close when I least expect it. :)

I'm sure you noticed that we have a new naming convention now. It was suggested by Slowflake and met with general approval. The most important part is the higher number, which makes us feel cooler. ;)


Stats websites:

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com
Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/2003/index.html
Spring 2004 Contest: (not currently updating)
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/index.html

Stats topics:

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html
Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note)
2003-2004 Off-Season:
http://membres.lycos.fr/shindohikaru/stats1.htm (See note)
Note: Don't use the links in the topic to browse through the pages, change the page number in the URL.
Spring 2004 Pre-Season:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason3.htm
Spring 2004 Contest:
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=13901848 (Until purge)

Oracle Standings:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/oracle.html

These topics are going well.

Been ignoring them lately. Once I stopped checking them, I seemed to go better in challenges such as the Oracle and Prophet challenges. That run seems to of ended though so I'll probably be around a bit more for this topic.
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Betting: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=14030825
39/44 Next: LttP

SMW with an extremely impressive performance here. Unlike most who thought Sonic 2 would do well, I thought it would be because Sonic 2 was well-liked, not because of people thinking it was Sonic vs. Mario. I guess Genesis games just aren't that strong.

Which could mean that SMW's performance isn't as impressive relative to Chrono Trigger's performance as it might appear; but that match is definitely not a foregone conclusion right now.

With Genesis games being as weak as they are, that could be bad news for Super Metroid...but, it also means A Link to the Past's performance wasn't anything spectacular. Not like most thought it was to begin with, as it was right about expectations, but now you might have to discount it further with even Sonic 2 being so weak.

So this whole division is up in the air right now. In order to have a favorite you have to make some large leaps, because there's not much to base a favorite on. Even Final Fantasy VI isn't out of this yet.
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Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4!
SC2K4.com/frog

I have a post in this topic before smitelf, Slowflake, cyko, ChichiriMuyo, steve illumina, Tai, and even Shake.

Damn, I feel all special.
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Boards Hunted: 4098
I would like to take this moment to politely and sincerely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf

BUT... tomorrow will give us more of an indication as to where it stands.

I can hardly imagine SMRPG beating Sonic 2... but for that not to happen, SMW would need to beat CT by a decent amount. Yikes.

...Almost missed that topic, since the title's so short now. ;)
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 037/042 --- Matches: 32/37 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: SMW

Try getting one before Solar now. ;)

Yay, now we're beating the FFP with that retroactive numbering. :P Hey, no biggie, these long-standing series are board-defining.
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 037/042 --- Matches: 32/37 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: SMW

I always just search "disc". Never fails.

Anyway, who is the current favorite to win Division 16?
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Boards Hunted: 4098
I would like to take this moment to politely and sincerely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf

As much as I prefer SMW to CT, I seriously doubt it can beat it.Maybe a 60-40 Chrono victory, but nothing more.....well, hopefully not as I have Chrono going to the final.Oops.
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Supporter of Starcraft and Ocarina Of Time in the Spring Contest!

For that, we'll wait until tomorrow. I'll go a bit in detail in my preview though, unless I forget.
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 037/042 --- Matches: 32/37 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: SMW

Who's the current favourite? Well, assuming we've not underestimated Super Metroid and LttP goes through, we've got CT vs. SMW and Zelda vs. FF6. I think right now, Zelda's looking strong. If it beats SM by any sort of comfortable margin (60% possibly) and FF6 fails to triple up Doom, Zelda would be what I'd put my money on. Chrono Trigger's failed to impress me so far and I can't see Mario World winning it, although today's performance is very impressive, unless I massively overestimated Sonic 2.
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Jon Thomson - 31/37, 36/42 - today: Super Mario World, tomorrow: Super Metroid

I'll beat you next time, Ulti. Next time...

I can hardly imagine SMRPG beating Sonic 2... but for that not to happen, SMW would need to beat CT by a decent amount. Yikes

But it appears to indeed be the case that SMRPG > Sonic 2. The more I think about it, the more sense it makes. Sega games have been doing uniformly badly in this contest thus far. Nintendo and Square, on the other hand, have been doing very well. SMRPG, despite not being the most popular Mario game of the series by its own merit, is still a Mario game with the label "RPG" tacked on. Its name gives it a huge advantage, methinks.

This is Nintendo/Square country. It shouldn't come as a surprise, when one thinks it through, that a Nintendo/Square game would do much better than a Sega game, no matter how little it deserves to do so. Yes, this is Sonic we're talking about, but it's also Mario, which would nullify any name advantage Sonic would otherwise garner.
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Engaged to MWIS 04/07/04
Current Sp2K4 Score: 41/42, Next Winner: Super Mario World

...Almost missed that topic, since the title's so short now. ;)

Heh, the "long title" has been a tradition ever since the first successful stats topic. When I was encouraged to remake the stats topics, the long title was one of KSOT's suggestions for making it more noticeable and thus, hopefully, more successful (you'll notice the Oracle topics also use this philosophy). I wonder if that actually had any effect? Maybe we can analyze the post per minute rate of this topic and compare it to the others. ;)

Yay, now we're beating the FFP with that retroactive numbering. :P Hey, no biggie, these long-standing series are board-defining.

Ah ha! Your true motive is revealed. ;)

I'm very surprised at SMW's performance, and frankly, I'm getting sick of being surprised every match. Too many matches like KH/SC got me used to the idea of close percentages. I'd forgotten that 70/30 was possible for two beloved games. I guess it's not possible to blame SFF on this one, huh..? No, thought not. ;) Ah well, always nice to see one of my favorite games doing so well. I'm worried about Chrono Trigger now though. It made me feel better when it crushed SMRPG, but I'd always believed that people didn't hold SMW in as high a regard as I did and that CT would just trundle on by. 'Twill be a true fight now, I fear.

... Did I just say "trundle"? o_O
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Contest Stats: http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com

I guess it's not possible to blame SFF on this one, huh..? No, thought not. ;)

Well, I was thinking before the match that it might be because people who played one game were more likely to play the other, given that they're from the same era.

But yeah, it's a huge stretch :)

Ah well, always nice to see one of my favorite games doing so well. I'm worried about Chrono Trigger now though

My feelings exactly. SMW was one of my favorite games, and I was never fond of the Sonic games. They were fun but I didn't like the marketing--too corporately contrived.

So in that way it's nice to see SMW winning by so much. But, it makes me very concerned for Chrono Trigger, so in that way it's not good at all. I don't think SMW deserves to beat Chrono Trigger.


As for the current favorite, I think that dynamic expectations is where it's at now. We'll just have to play it by ear, continually re-adjusting are feelings on the division. I don't think we'll have that great of an idea until after the divisional final though. Like I said, there just isn't too much to base things on. So no need to put too much emphasis on each individual match, because even outstanding results for one game don't necessarily mean it should be the favorite. Likewise, disappointing results may have to be re-evaluated by the time the division is over.
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Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4!
http://SC2K4.com/frog

On Chrono Trigger: it's huge percentage decline over the course of the day is very unsettling. While going over 65% is still impressive, and thus it remains a contender for the division title, there's a substantial difference between 74% and 67%. At 74% it looked very powerful, now it looks powerful but not overly so.

And it is most odd that SMRPG is the one game that appears to gain so much during the day. It's happened twice so it appears to not be coincidence, though no explanation for why this has happened seems entirely satisfying.
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Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4!
http://SC2K4.com/frog

Are ya all ready? Fanboys? Gamers? Elites? Newbies? :) It's time for...the enhanced...

Steve Illumina Speaks

Indeed it is so, the infamous and ever humorous commentary continues, to offer some educated levity, here on this the true beacon of intelligence on this overly fanboy dominated board.

And so it proceeds, with the first match of 2 heavyweight games this round here in the "Greatest Generation" Division

ROUND 2: Match XXXIX

(6)Legend of Zelda: LTTP vs (3)Super Metroid

Steve's Prediction: Zelda LTTP by 64.4%
Steve's Bracket: Zelda
Newbie's Pick: Cel Shading
Upset Chances: Guaranteed

Comments: Here we have one of those matches where fanboys will be frayed, brackets will be tattered, and the elites will throw numbers and percentages a plenty for us all to enjoy, as 16 Bit Nintendo gems Super Metroid and Zelda LTTP go at it.

This match will split the hearts of the Nintendites. Two supremely fine games on (my opinion) the best system of all time. Who has played these games and disliked either or both of them that is not a blind fanboy of another company or series? Pretty much nobody. But is it tough to call? Nope. Not really, sad to say.

It is another example of location based voting making the difference. If this was held on a site where RPG's and adventure games like Zelda were not liked, we know Metroid would win easy. But that aint the case. As I have said about 4,329 times, this is GameFAQ's, where its almost always about the RPG (or in this case its about Zelda/Link/Gohma/Ganon/Zora)...

EGM's #1 game of all time, the solid Super Metroid, which is Samus' best game ever...could beat Mario World with ease I would venture to say...but it will fall to Zelda here....not cause Zelda is better, which it aint, but cause its...Zelda. First upset of the 2nd round...and it wont even be close. Heck...since the drubbings Mario and Chrono have laid out the last two days, higher than the expected figures by me and others, I am raising my % pick by 10% in favor of Zelda. If its UNDER 60% I will be shocked, whereas weeks ago I would have said the same if it were OVER. All the surprises do keep it interesting I will say!

So long Samus...on the way to a total 2nd round shutout...

Why Zelda Will Win: Voting blocks: Nintendites, RPG crossovers. The fact Zelda sold more and Same Fanbase Factor and all that helps too...

Why Metroid Wont Win: As good as this game is, it cant beat the fanboy backed Zelda. Even Nintendites will jump on the bandwagon and vote for Zelda, when deep in their hearts, they know how good this game is.

Probable Results: Link draws his Silver Arrows and shoots Samus through the heart, slaying her with 60% or more of the vote and shocking the commoners on the board.

Best Bosses: LTTP: Viterous (Eyeball Guy)...I just think he is cool and original. Super Metroid: The Brain...Again! Brains and Hearts are always good bosses!
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SCK24: 44/48 Trivia XIII: Diehards Forever
Steve Illumina: Standing tall against fanboys for over 20 years

In the end it all boils down to how strong SMRPG actually is. We really have no way of knowing how much the fact that its a Mario game, a Square game, and a RPG on top of that have actually helepd it. It did defeat SF2 by a few percent, so its obviously fairly strong, but whether or not it could beat Sonic 2...

At this point i don't know whether this is serious thinking on my part or just a phase in denial as i try to rationalize my bracket, but i could easily see SMRPG being stronger than Sonic 2. Smitelf said it best - Its a Mario game with RPG tacked on the label. That counts for a lot on this site, and with the lack of popularity for Sonic 2 even amongst Sonic fans, I could easily see SMRPG pulling 60 percent against the sub-par hedgehog game.

Also, is it possible that we've drastically underestimated fighting games on this site? SF2 put up a good fight any way you look at it, and Soul Calibur almost dropped Kingdom Hearts. If fighting games are fairly strong on this site, that could easily help to account for some of the results that we've seen.

But still - 70 percent against Sonic 2. Whew.
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SP2k4C : Winner - Chrono Trigger

Also, is it possible that we've drastically underestimated fighting games on this site? SF2 put up a good fight any way you look at it, and Soul Calibur almost dropped Kingdom Hearts. If fighting games are fairly strong on this site, that could easily help to account for some of the results that we've seen.

That's why I'm anxiously waiting for Starcraft/KH, not for these two games, but to actually find out just how strong Soul Calibur is on this site, or whether KH is very weak.

To see the archived copies of the first three Discussion topics for this Spring Contest, head here:

http://sc2k4.com/links.php

To see the saved copy of our latest, Discussion 4, after the purge, take a look in my Archives.

http://geocities.com/cyber1166/gamefaqs

Speaking of which, the Guru standings have been updated, but they're not too interesting. All 31 of us agreed on the winners of everything from Mario 3 to Chrono Trigger, so we all just have had 10 points added to our total. Todays match will move things around a little bit, as a few were willing to go out on a limb (one which, I do believe, I just heard snap) and pick Sonic for the upset.

Speaking of which, I have to agree with solar here: this Contest is making less and less sense as it goes along. I mean, this is the 2nd Round, we're supposed to have a better feel for the strength of the games, right? Yet we're now, as a group over at the Oracle, making not just slightly worse predictions- these are some of the worst of all time. We've underestimated every winner so far by between 7 and 10% (except for Final Fantasy, which shocking underperformed), and today looks like it'll have a good shot at 11% or more.

And to think, just two weeks ago creative was talking about how he was started to get a little bored with the predictability of this Contest! Now we find ourselves adjusting our Championship predictions with every 3% vote swing... this is turning out to be even more fun than I expected.

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the-elite.net
Guru Rankings: geocities.com/cyber1166/gamefaqs/ContestGurus.xls
The Contest Archives: http://geocities.com/cyber1166/gamefaqs

I uploaded your part 4 archive.

Speaking of which, I have to agree with solar here: this Contest is making less and less sense as it goes along. I mean, this is the 2nd Round, we're supposed to have a better feel for the strength of the games, right? Yet we're now, as a group over at the Oracle, making not just slightly worse predictions- these are some of the worst of all time.

Prediction scores should get worse as we get later into the contest, as the winners of matches become less predictable due to increased competitiveness. This round has had some surprising %es though. And I've been doing horribly :( I fear I might drop out of the top five soon.

And to think, just two weeks ago creative was talking about how he was started to get a little bored with the predictability of this Contest! Now we find ourselves adjusting our Championship predictions with every 3% vote swing... this is turning out to be even more fun than I expected.

Indeed, even the blowouts are now interesting, due to what their implications are. Ever since Kingdom Hearts vs. Soul Calibur things have picked up. That was the first real surprise of the contest.

I wonder what the score distribution will look like.
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Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4!
http://SC2K4.com/frog

I don`t have much time to talk because E3 is about to get going... gotta watch and listen...

Anyway, SMW is doing downright amazing Chrono Trigger better get ready for a serious match. ;)
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Nintendo® - The Beginning and the End
It is ironic that the last one in the line has the potential to become the Hero of legend.

I don't think FF1 was overestimated as much as people underestimating Contra. I was quite impressed by its beating of PS, and I sorta saw a 70-30 match coming.

On another topic entirely, I'm progressing through LoZ, and I gotta say, people who say OoT is LttP in 3D have somewhat of a point. Except OoT (and WW, too) DOES make a lot of use of the third dimension, even though it borrowed so much from what LttP brought to the series. Not that it's a bad thing, mind you. I wonder if the credit given to LttP as far as making Zelda evolve goes could help it in a contest like this? Because there's no denying it, the biggest step in the evolutionary scale is LoZ -> LttP.

LttP/SM preview coming up shortly.
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 037/042 --- Matches: 32/37 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: SMW

I agree. Sonic2's poor showing sort of discounts LttP's trashing of Gunstar Heroes. Let's just see how the match goes tomorrow.
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Contest Score: 40/40
Next Pick : Chrono Trigger

Because there's no denying it, the biggest step in the evolutionary scale is LoZ -> LttP.

? I don't think this is true at all. A Link to the Past is definitely my favorite Zelda game, but if you want to by cynical, it's basically The Legend of Zelda with better graphics. Just like you can trivially reduce SMB3 to SMB with better graphics and SMW to SMB3 with better graphics.

Ocarina of Time's gameplay is totally different from A Link to the Past due to the leap to 3D.

And the performance of Sonic makes me wonder how a Mega Man game would do. They were some of the most missed games in terms of people asking why they weren't present, and some were on the NES, which should be a big step up from the Genesis. However, the gameplay was basically the same for all of them, broadly speaking. I don't think the Mega Man games would perform nearly as well as the character, akin to Sonic's game not performing like him.
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Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4!
http://SC2K4.com/frog

*** COMPARISONS GAME - Match #39 - (6) LEGEND OF ZELDA: A LINK TO THE PAST vs. (3) SUPER METROID ***

Sales

LttP sold 1.16 million in Japan, but that's the place where no one gives a crap about Metroid. I believe LttP wins in North America too. And then there's the GBA port... while fans are still crying for a Super Metroid remake.

- Advantage LTTP.

Franchises

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1361

That's pretty much all you need to know.

- Advantage LTTP

GameFAQs Status

Number of FAQs: LttP
Number of reviews: TIE
Average review score: SM
Board activity: SM

Heh, LttP and SM win by almost nothing in the number of FAQs and the review scores respectively (1 more FAQ for LttP, a few 1/100s for SM). But where SM wins big is the board traffic... hell, there's even a topic about the Samus/Snake match in the badass tournament that happened here. "Snake wins easily. He makes the deadman Undertaker look like Dakota Fanning." XD

- Advantage SUPER METROID.

Board Odds Project

PICKS (out of 102)
Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past - 90
Super Metroid - 12

POINT VALUE
7. Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past - 734
20. Super Metroid - 154

Once again, huge favorite, just as big as today's, despite the opponent being much stronger...

- Advantage LTTP.

Previous Rounds

SM was very impressive against PS4, however making ANYTHING look like AiAi shows the signs of a front-runner. There's not so much talk about LttP reaching the finals for nothing.

- Advantage LTTP.

Summer Contests / Polls of the Day

Hey, even when we remove OoT's advantage over LttP in the latest favorite Zelda poll from the Link/Samus result, LttP still wins. And LttP can still tap in more of a fanbase than Super Metroid after that! Ouch. This should be a round 3 match, maybe even a division final, not round 2!

- Advantage LTTP

Intangibles

Except for FF1/Contra, every round 2 match so far has been a surprise slaughter. Whoever said this contest makes less and less sense, I agree 100% - ever since SC/KH it looked that way. If there's a game that can continue the trend, it's LttP.

- Advantage LTTP.

Conclusion: A lot of people here will probably make scales of what will happen if LttP gets so-and-so, much like with SSBM. Personally, I think if LttP gets over 60%, this division is done and over with.
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 037/042 --- Matches: 32/37 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: SMW

but if you want to by cynical, it's basically The Legend of Zelda with better graphics.

Depends on whether you consider the addition of most of the Zelda landmarks to be bigger then going 3D or not. I personally don't.
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 037/042 --- Matches: 32/37 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: SMW

Depends on whether you consider the addition of most of the Zelda landmarks to be bigger then going 3D or not. I personally don't.

Aren't you saying that you do, actually?

Seems like you're saying Ocarina of Time wasn't the big jump because it copied a lot of the plot/game layout elements from A Link to the Past. I'm saying that isn't nearly as big of a difference as a completely different type of game engine. A Link to the Past was very similar to the original The Legend of Zelda gameplay-wise; Ocarina of Time was an entirely different animal, with superficial similarities keeping with the Zelda themes.

The fact that it was similar to The Legend of Zelda is precisely why A Link to the Past was so great though. It just was insanely good.


Appears that Nintendo.com and Gamespot have been PWNed by the DS and Zelda E3 stuff. Nintendo.com is chock full of internal server errors and you can't get anything from there. I wanted to see one of the webcasts, and saw a few seconds of it at work muted. Was waiting til I got home to see it again, but it's down now.

If the internet exploding is any indication, these things are going to be big financial successes. Nintendo stock should be rising a lot over this. Their depository receipt (NTDOY.PK) is at 11.60 right now. It'll probably go up significantly when the Tokyo exchange opens, and if it doesn't, it's a great buy opportunity.
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Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4!
http://SC2K4.com/frog

I loved every minute of that press-conference. ^_^
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Nintendo® - The Beginning and the End
But as the light fades... Will the hero rise again? Or will darkness reign?

Woops, brain fade again. Lucky it was here, because I had an interview earlier today (I got the job, heh).

Frankly, it's more in terms of feeling that I think LttP resembles OoT. Both just feel more alive... in LoZ it's like, Link against the world, save for the old men in the caves and dungeons. Good ol' hack-and-slashing on your way to Ganon. While LttP and OoT have loads of NPCs and interaction. Plus, more complicated puzzles, the hookshot, the bottle system, a musical sub-theme (flute, ocarina, and you can count WW's baton too), etc.

But when you think about it, LttP to OoT was a big jump as well. The point I tried to make was that going from LoZ to LttP was overall bigger, even though the very basic gameplay didn't change until the third dimension was added in OoT.

Now, for an interesting question... some people speculated that the Zelda 9 trailer could have some sort of effect on tomorrow's result. And yes, I'm well aware they had something about MP2 and a new Metroid for DS, but Zelda seemingly was the show-stealer. But it can't have such an impact on votes... can it? After all, Mario almost lost to Cloud the day a new game of his came out... besides, I doubt more than one or two percent of the voters actually saw that trailer, and many may vote SM regardless.
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 037/042 --- Matches: 32/37 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: SMW

Lucky it was here, because I had an interview earlier today (I got the job, heh).

Congrats! That's great. I hope the job is fulfilling. When do you start?

it can't have such an impact on votes... can it?

Nah. I wouldn't think so. If Soul Calibur II couldn't help Link, and if Metroid Prime couldn't help Samus, how could this possibly affect anything? Voters have shown over and over that they aren't fickle at all.

I had a feeling earlier that this might approach 65+% in favor of A Link to the Past, because the Metroid franchise just hasn't been too impressive so far.

But, if The Legend of Zelda:Phantasy Star :: A Link to the Past:Phantasy Star IV, then perhaps Super Metroid's performance against Phantasy Star IV is impressive after all. If you expect The Legend of Zelda to get 65% against Final Fantasy, then it would be expected to get 83.66% against Phantasy Star. Decrease Final Fantasy to 30% and The Legend of Zelda should get 86% against Phantasy Star. Super Metroid got 83.29% against Phantasy Star IV.

This calc could be totally meaningless, and we don't really know how Final Fantasy would do against The Legend of Zelda, but I was going to up my Oracle prediction to 63% (which I thought might actually be conservative) until I did it. Now I'm really not sure about this match.
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Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4!
http://SC2K4.com/frog

I did have 59% for LttP myself, but I upped it to 63.45%.
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Nintendo® - The Beginning and the End
But as the light fades... Will the hero rise again? Or will darkness reign?

I had 59% for LttP myself, but I just upped it to 63.45%.
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Nintendo® - The Beginning and the End
But as the light fades... Will the hero rise again? Or will darkness reign?

grg I had just finished typing a comment and all this e3 traffic killed it...
anyway, I don't think people actually voted for SMRPG because of the last three letters. It just doesn't make sense in my mind that if you didn't know both games, the fact that one is an rpg would sway your vote. I think pictures would be the next thing to go for, not just it being an rpg. I think it must have been either SMRPG is strong, or Chrono is weaker than expected.

As for today, WoW, I guess the next question then is if Sonic 2 would beat SMRPG, before today I would have said yes, but I dunno after today. Smw vs Chrono should be more interesting than I first thought . . .
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Silly Rabbit...Trix are for....kids.
Revenge is a dish best served cold.-Old Klingon Proverb

What job, Slow?
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Boards Hunted: 4098
I would like to take this moment to politely and sincerely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf

I'm starting... tomorrow! I'll be working in the evenings for the next two weeks or so, then in the regular hours after that. So don't expect to see me in these hours.

I've got my Oracle pick around 58... I'm not touching it, because I'll slap myself if a result actually makes sense for once and I changed.
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 037/042 --- Matches: 32/37 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: SMW

Match #36 Review:

Meh. No surprises here, outside of the awesome match pic.

Match #37 Review:

Hmm...SMRPG did better than expected. Paired with SMW's ridiculously strong performance today...CT is in trouble next round.

Match #39 Preview:

LttP shouldn't have too much trouble dispatching SM. After all, Summer Cotest and PotD results have consistently shown that Zelda>Metroid on GameFAQs.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Darn, that downtime did absolutely nothing to fix the display glitches, so I can't read the most recent post. As I said, this new system makes Big Rigs look as stable as Linux.
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 037/042 --- Matches: 32/37 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: SMW

SMRPG did better than expected.

!!!
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 037/042 --- Matches: 32/37 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: SMW

you don't think so slow?
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Silly Rabbit...Trix are for....kids.
Revenge is a dish best served cold.-Old Klingon Proverb

Hell no, it was projected to get slightly above 40%!
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 037/042 --- Matches: 32/37 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: SMW

I have a post in this topic before smitelf, Slowflake, cyko, ChichiriMuyo, steve illumina, Tai, and even Shake.

lol, but only because i was at work all day, Ulti!! ^_^

Woops, brain fade again. Lucky it was here, because I had an interview earlier today (I got the job, heh).

congrats, Slowflake!! ^_^

six second round matches down and all of them are blowouts. not tomorrow though!!


cyko's Point of View

Match 39

(3) Super Metroid vs. (6) Legend of Zelda: Link to the Past

wow, talk about two heavyweights facing off early. two SNES classics from two of Nintendo's most popular series. we have the most popular game from the Metroid series against the second most popular game of the Zelda series. neither of these games deserves to get booted this early. interestingly enough, in EGM's last list of the Top 100 Games Ever that they published, LTTP was Number 3 on the list. but Super Metroid was Number 1 on that same list. hot dang.

other than that, i don't reall have any stellat analysis for this match. Zelda had much more impressive victories last round, but they were against some of the weakest games in the contest. Link also significantly whooped Samus last year, but as we've all discovered (especially after today), character's performances are not the same as their game's performance.

i guess i've really got no solid basis for predicting tomorrow's match. i just have a feeling that it will be a close battle. these two games are just way too good for either to score a big victory, even if it is a Zelda game that's involved.

in all honesty, any one of these five SNES games left has a legitimate shot at the division. if Super Metroid pulls off the upset, it will definitely be feared in the next round or two. but if Zelda does manage to break the 60% barrier, then it looks very bad for FF3/6. i still will say that tomorrow's match will be close, though.

and i was one of the few people that said neither Tetris vs. Pong, CT vs. SMRPG or SMW vs. Sonic 2 would be very close matches.


prediction: Legend of Zelda: LTTP with 52-55%

my bracket: Legend of Zelda: LTTP

personal favorite: BOTH (TIE) - my brain hurts so much from thinking about this match that i honestly can't decide between these two games. both games are friggin' masterpieces. if you haven't played and beat both of these, the you need to go buy them. now!!

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Current Score: 41/44 (through SMW vs. Sonic 2) ?????/????? with ???? other people
A WINNER of Trivia 12

With the recent surge of increasing expectations for A Link to the Past, in order for the trend of surprising results to continue, A Link to the Past would have to win with 70% or Super Metroid would have to get 45+%.

I think the latter is much more likely than the former, myself.
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If LttP gets 70%, scratch that, if it doubles Super Metroid, we might as well end the tournament there.

SM getting 45% is more realistic... but it's a little stretch here as well.
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 037/042 --- Matches: 32/37 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: SMW

If Link to the Past gets 70% on Super Metroid, it's safe to say that it has the division well in hand.
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Spring Contest 2004: 40/42
Today: (5)Sonic the Hedgehog 2 over (4)Super Mario World

^Agree. Beating the most popular Metroid, in essence the height of Samus' popularity by that big of a margin would be unfathomable.
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Contest Score: 40/40
Next Pick : Chrono Trigger

I'm just going to take things day by day here. Who knows what will happen? I don't, as my score indicates. But I will say that Nintendo's E3 announcement today all but gave LttP the win. No way do I see Samus taking down Link tomorrow.
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I still don't expect anything out of that. Zelda 9 stole the show, yes, but how many people know about it among those who vote?
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 037/042 --- Matches: 32/37 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: SMW

The vote doesn't seem to reflect that people are voting based on the character or the series, but rather on the game. The only thing that the Zelda trailer would possibly impact is the character contest, and that seems doubtful, too.

Besides, like it's already been mentioned, how many people that vote will have seen the trailer beforehand or even know anything about it?
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Spring Contest 2004: 40/42
Today: (5)Sonic the Hedgehog 2 over (4)Super Mario World

Zelda 9 stole the show, yes, but how many people know about it among those who vote?

That's Zelda 10, Slowflake.

The Legend of Zelda
Zelda II: The Adventure of Link
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons
The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker

And this new game is the 10th installment.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

in the past, upcoming releases have not influenced the matches. FFX-2 didn't help Yuna. WarioWare Inc. didn't help Wario. Super Mario Sunshine didn't help Mario much. Soul Calibur 2 didn't help Link. Halo 2 didn't help Halo or Master Cheif. future releases have yet to make an impact on any matches here.

and can someone clue me in on what's going on at E3? or at least give me a link? i haven't been able to keep up. =/

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Current Score: 41/44 (through SMW vs. Sonic 2) ?????/????? with ???? other people
A WINNER of Trivia 12

I think of it as an intangible thing. While Metroid and Zelda might have been neck and neck before, all it takes is a single factor to get the casual voter to side with something. I've heard so much positive feedback about the new Zelda (which I haven't even seen), that I can't see it having anything but a positive impact on the Zelda franchise as a whole among the casual voters. I'm not saying that it'll have a great impact, but it's enough for me to stick my neck out and make a prediction.
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