Of course, that`s just looking at those two poll in particular. <<
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Yeah, and even in the new poll only a 5,000 vote difference between the two. I`ll retract my previous statement that Wind Waker was stronger than LoZ and put it at even... for now.
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So yeah, you're pretty much right in saying that it wasn't until later in each game's series that they became big.

I never said this, I assure you that Metroid was quite big back in the day, while Metal Gear was not.

I'm sorry you can't see what's right in front of you

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It's easy enough to face up to the fact that Metroid isn't top tier, and if you can't at least take that step you're insane.
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original Metroid could never have stacked up to the original Zelda. That's my idea of a full tier difference, and thank you for bringing it.

We appear to have different definitions of "top tier". You have a lot more tiers than I do. Obviously the Mario games and The Legend of Zelda would be way ahead of Metroid. By "top tier" I meant the NES games that everyone knew about and most of your friends would have. If you break it down further, SMB3 would be a couple levels ahead of everything, then The Legend of Zelda, then everything else. (I'm not sure where SMB2 fits in there...it might be ahead of The Legend of Zelda)

All I was saying, was that Metroid was very successful and the true beginning of the franchise's popularity, contrary to what people around here seem to be saying; and that Metal Gear was not as popular as Metroid and MGS was the real beginning of that series' popularity.

Obviously only 1 section of 3

Actually, total number of reviews (from any major source) tends to be loosely correlated with revenues (units sold, box office, etc.).
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Donkey Kong would've been expected to get 13.5% against Link in 2K2, Pac-Man 15.78% in 2K3.

But, if you don't use the SFF influenced numbers (i.e., use 2K3 for DK and 2K2 for Pac-Man), DK is ahead 25.34% to 20.3%.

Yeah, that just shows how variable SFF can be. I really doubt the proportion of SFF influence is the same for Metroid vs. SMB3 and LoZ and Donkey Kong. Quite honestly, though, I wasn't expecting much SFF for the games because they are distantly related Nintendo games...I mean, even CT and FFVI are very closely related in terms of Square fanbase. I'm still wondering if those are really THAT popular, though...as I said earlier, if Final Fantasy gets over 31% against SMB3 next round (figuring Metroid would defeat Contra with 60%), I'll be convinced that there was a significant amount of SFF in Mario 3 vs. Metroid.

Gee whiz...LoZ has nearly 87%? That seems absurd. I had no idea Donkey Kong had so little respect. I bet half the voters don't even know you control Mario (ahem, aka Jumpman) in that game. =P

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I never said that Metroid wouldn't have beaten MG in it's day, I just said that the results from facing Mario showed about how close it would have been.

Metroid vs. Metal Gear would not have been close back in the day, at all. And who knows for sure what the role of SFF is in the current contest; even now it might beat Metal Gear handily, though that doesn't mean much for discussing how popular they were back in the day.
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LoZ was much better than Donkey Kong, so even if you control Mario you just gotta vote LoZ. ;P
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Gee whiz...LoZ has nearly 87%? That seems absurd. I had no idea Donkey Kong had so little respect.

Yeah...this is insane. I changed my pick for that match up to 86% after the SMB3 vs. Metroid result, but then I changed it back now. In line with what we were talking about earlier, there's a fair amount of difference between 83% and 86%, and I just figured 86% might have been unattainable. 87% is truly mind-boggling.

SMB3 looked unstoppable after it crushed Metroid, and The Legend of Zelda looks unstoppable now. Before this contest started, one of my big predictions was that SMB3 vs. The Legend of Zelda would be one of the most hyped up matches in the entire tournament, despite how overwhelming of a favorite SMB3 was. I was telling everyone who'd listen that The Legend of Zelda should not be discounted. But I never would've though that both would look so completely dominant on the way. I figured Metroid/Final Fantasy/Tetris would offer fair competition. Right now, I don't think Final Fantasy can get 40%, which upsets me. But the Division 8 final should be hyped up pretty good by the time we get there.

I bet half the voters don't even know you control Mario (ahem, aka Jumpman) in that game. =P

I would say it's probably the vast majority who don't know about that, actually :)
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I`m definitely looking forward to Super Mario Bros. 3 vs. The Legend of Zelda. =P
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There is poll on Nintendo's website asking "What classic NES game do you want to try first on your GBA?." The result is shocking, LoZ has more votes than 4 other classics combined, namely Super Mario Bros, Pac-Man, Bomberman, and ironically Donkey Kong. People need to realize LoZ was just as mainstream as Mario Bros, and probably much more beloved in the long run. Add the fact that this is GameFaqs, I cannot see how Mario3 became the favorite in the first place. Like I said before the contest started, LoZ is the only lock to reach final four.
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The SMB3-LoZ match is all going to come down to how the fanbase will split, isnt it?
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And the fanbase will favor Zelda 1. I damn myself to hell for listening to you people.
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There is going to be no SFF in SMB3/LoZ. Metroid and DK were pretty much OMG BREKKFEST for these two.

Though I would NOT be surprised to see LoZ and LttP square off.

Of course, there is still no favorite in SMB3/LoZ, but LoZ definitely has a better shot than Heroic Mario makes it seem.

To think, I switched four times on this match on the very first day.
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Um, the fact still remains that SMB3 is considered the best Mario game by the most people while that does not apply to LoZ. We cannot exclude LoZ, but certainly still not SMB3.

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People need to realize LoZ was just as mainstream as Mario Bros, and probably much more beloved in the long run.

Wrong actually, the Mario series was once the most mainstream series out there. Even back in the day LoZ wasn`t on the level that the Mario series was, and as for the long run minus the current generation a Mario game has always outsold a Zelda game - of course you could blame packaging for two of them.

Add the fact that this is GameFaqs, I cannot see how Mario3 became the favorite in the first place. Like I said before the contest started, LoZ is the only lock to reach final four.

Are you kidding me?! SMB3 is no, I repeat no cakewalk for any game that goes for FFVII as well. GameFAQs favors Zelda and Final Fantasy more than anything but when it comes to SMB3 I really do not see LoZ ever being a favorite in the match or taking away the favorite from SMB3. I, for one, would be shocked to see LoZ win the match I just couldn`t believe people would prefer the game, one of the best in the series but not the best.

Again, LoZ today is doing great but only 8% better than SMB3, who had quite a stronger opponent, I`m not seeing LoZ exactly becoming a favorite or taking it away from SMB3. In fact, I`ve never even given the match a second thought but I do know it`ll be pretty close.
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Ulti, don't get so despondent...if the fanbase votes like they did in character contests, then I'd agree, SMB3 is gonna be hosed.

But come on, its SMB3, easily the most popular mario game by miles, against a zelda game which doesnt even hold a light to the rest of the series. If anything, the fanabse split looks like it would heavily favor mario in their match.
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And the fanbase will favor Zelda 1. I damn myself to hell for listening to you people.

I think quite the opposite actually. LoZ is not Link, you have got to remember that. While I`d wager than SMB3 is quite a bit stronger than Mario due to less hate that Mario always receives. This isn`t one of the strongest Zelda games, this is the fourth in the lineup or third, while SMB3 is quite a bit ahead of the rest of the games in its series.
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If this were any other Mario game and any other Zelda game, I would agree that Zelda would look great for a win but its LoZ and SMB3, I really, really have a hard time in believing that LoZ would take it down...
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SlangEdter41, that's a very inaccurate poll you're using to prove your point. Of course people are going to say that Zelda 1 should be ported/remade for the GBA next, because both Mario 3 and Mario 2 already have been. So it's a competition between Zelda 1 and Mario 1, and although the first game is a classic, it clearly wouldn't stand up to what's available for the GBA these days.

Secondly, it makes perfect sense for Mario to have been the favorite going in. It did beat Zelda out for the nomination, after all. Besides, Mario 3 has had tremendous staying power worldwide. I don't know about you, but I think it's incredible that, even at a Best Game competition at a hugely PC-biased site like Gamespy, Mario 3 came within a few hundred votes of making the Final Four.

Thirdly, anyone who claims that voting in the 8-bit division is going on strictly along franchise lines is crazy. Would Mario have put up 78% in a direct matchup with Samus? Would he even be able to manage 58%? Very doubtful.

I still say people are voting according to what they honestly feel to be the better game, not series, and so I still consider Mario to still be the favorite here, by the slimmest of margins.

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CN, you're full of ****, you know that right? A game that is still one of the most popular games after 4 years is supposed to be on the same level as a game that was forgotten after a year and a half? Wow, you must be putting the great lakes on the same ****ing tier as the pacific ocean then. LoZ was a juggernaut compared to Metroid, they weren't even close to being in the same league, and while you may have known a number of people who owned it that itsn't really the case. It was never close to Zelda or Mario, and for anybody that owned Metroid and any other game that was a REAL top tier contender I'd be willing to bet that 9 times out of 10 Metroid wasn't the personal favorite. It never was a top tier NES game, and only in retropect can someone even dare consider it to be one. You can find more grey copies of LoZ than Metroid, let alone the gold ones, and I didn't even know there were grey copies of Zelda until 2 generations of consoles later.

Second issue, the reviews haven't got jack**** to do with the game sales. They are reviews by Nintendo Power staff, and possibly Nintendo employees outside of NP. They didn't go around collecting critical reviews from their competitors. So that has zero, zip, zilch to do with sales, and I can't believe someone as reasonably intelligent as you are could possibly make that mistake. Also, some of the "pros" highest rated games over time include Final Fantasy, Chrystalis, and Romance of the Three Kingdoms, games that clearly would strike a chord with hardcore games but never sold worth a damn on the NES.

So lets just get this done and over with. We'll say the top tier has The Zeldas and Marios and only the things that could actually compete with it (which doens't include Metroid), which is a really short list. the second tier will have Metroid, and the close but not quite 3rd tier will have Metal Gear. It'll sorta be like Link/Cloud/Seph, Mario/Mega Man/Samus/Crono, Sonic/Snake. It's damn close, but not close enough. Even Metal Gear 2 spent some time on NP's top 30, way back in issue 18. But here's the Jan/Feb 1990 issue's top 30 for you to chew on.

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1. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
2. Zelda II: The Adventure of Link
3. Super Mario Bros. 2
4. Ninja Gaiden
5. Dragon Warrior
6. Mega Man II
7. The Legend of Zelda
8. Bionic Commando
9. Faxanadu
10. Blaster Master
11. Tecmo Bowl
12. Nobunaga's Ambition
13. Super Mario Bros. 3
14. Marble Madness
15. Strider
16. Bad Dudes
17. Robocop
18. Mega Man
19. Batman
20. Metroid
21. Castlevania II: Simon's Quest
22. Who Framed Roger Rabbit
23. Ghostbusters
24. Double Dragon
25. Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!
26. Blades of Steel
27. Contra
28. NFL Football
29. Metal Gear
30. The Guardian Legend

Yes, even two years after its release Metal Gear was still able to crack the top 30. They really aren't that far apart from each other if you look in a time frame close to their release dates. The further you go, the bigger the gap becomes, but at the time they weren't all that far apart.
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Sep/Oct 89 has both games 10 spots higher than Jan/Feb '90. Metroid at 10, MG at 19.

Jan/Feb 89 Metroid is #5, Metal Gear is #8

Nov/Dec '88
The Legend of Zelda
Metroid
Metal Gear
Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!
Gauntlet
Super Mario Bros. 2
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Double Dragon
Kid Icarus
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R.C. Pro-Am
Castlevania
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Ice Hockey
Mega Man
Rad Racer
Top Gun
Town & Country Surf Design
Rygar
RBI Baseball
Renegade
Pro Wrestling
Goonies II
Gradius
Double Dribble
Solomon's Key
Golf
California Games
Kid Niki

Yes, Metroid has always been better than Matal Gear. But it wasn't always leaps and bounds ahead of it.
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The glory of SNK man. I love almost everyhting SNK did. Big fan of their fighting games. But sadly, Crystalis was never destined to be a powerhouse or anything, and usually did well on the top 30 chart due to pro scores as opposed to dealer and player scores. On a similar note game like Bart vs. the Sapace Mutants always did well on player and dealer charts but could never really make any headway with the pros who knew it was actually not a great game and stood mostly on the Simpsons brandname. Though it's very, veyr far from the worst a licensed property has ever done in a video game, in fact it's far from the worst Simpsons game, it wasn't all that great. The pros really only had as much weight as sales data and player polls in the top 30, so some their favorite (which are now some of my favorites as well, though not at the time since I was too young to know BvtSM sucked) games like Crystalis would make the top 30, but it was somewhat rare and not indicative of overall quality of the charts.
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Actually, while LoZ may or may not be the weakest Zelda in the tournament, Metroid's performance against Pac-Man tends to show one thing: there seems to be less difference between the weakest game and the strongest game of a series than we'd be led to believe. From that optic, SMB3 is in for an uphill battle against LoZ.

Hey, my Prophet pick looks good (I need between 55753 and 57850 to win). Think I can do it?
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"there seems to be less difference between the weakest game and the strongest game of a series than we'd be led to believe"

As long as they don't face eachother I'm inclined to believe that, in fact I always have been just a little in favor of believing they have some but not much difference. There is a difference, but it's not like OoT is so much stronger than LoZ that it could have gotten an ungodly 97% on Adventure.... or at least I hope not, because that'd be sick.
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And since SMB3 and LoZ aren't in the main series... oh man, imagine the riot on the board if LoZ won. And then if LttP won the following day. And then if OoT beat FF7... if there are politicking votes, ANY at all, they will ALL go to FF10... and even there I'd expect that to not be enough.
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Well, every time it looks like SMB3 is the favorite, Zelda 1 has countered with ungodly numbers. Mario 3 puts up a good number against Metal Gear, and Zelda 1 counters by whipping Adventure up and down the poll. Mario 3 then put up what we all thought was a shocking blowout against Metroid, and Zelda 1 counters by putting up 86% against Donkey Kong. And should Mario 3 be amazing enough to whip Final Fantasy 65-35, Zelda 1 is only going to 75-25 Tetris to counter. Zelda 1 is the favorite at this point, and Mario 3 has a lot of work to do.
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Don't bet on that happening, man. LoZ has no real competition until Mario3, but the rest of the Zelda games face some monsters on the way. I wouldn't yet could out Mario 64 from at least giving OoT a real good run for its money. But I still don't think OoT can beat FF7. We'll have to wait and see, of course, but I don't tihnk it'll happen.

And does anyone else believe that Ceej really screwed up the 8bit division? I've been saying since the beginning all the first round matches were setups to see certain games that may have been rivals of a sort face eachother because there was no way it'd happen otherwise. If I'm right (and it's hard to deny the possibility), then he blew it by going for bigger rd 1 matches than rd 2 matches. The blowouts this round just feel odd to me, not because the results are off, but because we should have gotten matches like this out of the way in round 1.
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If Zelda does beat Mario 3 like you'd expect Link to beat Mario, I'd love for everyone to think about what implications there are for a possible Mario/Samus match :)
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Actually, while LoZ may or may not be the weakest Zelda in the tournament, Metroid's performance against Pac-Man tends to show one thing: there seems to be less difference between the weakest game and the strongest game of a series than we'd be led to believe. From that optic, SMB3 is in for an uphill battle against LoZ.

LoZ not far off from OoT? Well, looking at that SMW vs. CT should be very close if not a win for SMW if were looking at the main game in the series equaling that of the other games. I really don`t believe that LoZ is near that of Ocarina of Time, and while it may or may not be the weakest in the series at best it ranks at third out of the four while SMB3 ranks at a hefty first. And like Ngamer said I really don`t think they are voting based on series in this division but which one they feel is the better of the two. With that SMB3 isn`t exactly at a disadvantage... at all.

but it's not like OoT is so much stronger than LoZ that it could have gotten an ungodly 97% on Adventure.... or at least I hope not, because that'd be sick.

That would be insane... though I think OoT could almost get that. O_o

And since SMB3 and LoZ aren't in the main series... oh man, imagine the riot on the board if LoZ won. And then if LttP won the following day. And then if OoT beat FF7... if there are politicking votes, ANY at all, they will ALL go to FF10... and even there I'd expect that to not be enough.

All Zelda Final Four, hehe, would be great to see and the board would be going crazy. =P Though, I`d like to see all but one Zelda make it to the Final Four... you know which one too. >> Though it was a great game, LoZ just should not beat SMB3...
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Well, every time it looks like SMB3 is the favorite, Zelda 1 has countered with ungodly numbers. Mario 3 puts up a good number against Metal Gear, and Zelda 1 counters by whipping Adventure up and down the poll.

Honestly, do you think SMB3 would not get the same if not a little more against something like Adventure? 95% was crazy, but if you put SMB3 against it, it would`ve performed just like LoZ. I have no reason to believe it wouldn`t.

Mario 3 then put up what we all thought was a shocking blowout against Metroid, and Zelda 1 counters by putting up 86% against Donkey Kong.

77% to 86%, with you know who having a stronger opponent. Its impressive on both sides, but with a stronger opponent and LoZ pulling 6% better its not exactly doing enough to become a sudden favorite.

And should Mario 3 be amazing enough to whip Final Fantasy 65-35, Zelda 1 is only going to 75-25 Tetris to counter. Zelda 1 is the favorite at this point, and Mario 3 has a lot of work to do.

If LoZ does that to Tetris, then I will start to worry... a lot.
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You know, I should really start saving my Wows since it looks like I'm gonna need them.

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This performance here today is nothing short of breathtaking. Am I the only one that voted for Donkey Kong out of pity today?

If you think Pac-Man was stronger than Donkey Kong, you can probably put SMB3 as your favorite.


In this case, I am a lot more comfortable with my putting SMB3 as the winner. I really cannot fathom DK being more popular than Pac-Man, but who knows, this contest has been crazy so far.
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I'm not really buying into the whole Zelda is the new favorite, and I still think its Mario Bros 3's match to lose. Legend of Zelda vs Adventure was most likely a battle of which one you could actually recognize. I'ld really be surprised if the majority of people voting in that match played both games. Even if they did, LoZ probably still would have won, but I think more people just recognized the Zelda series than did Adventure. With Mario Bros 3, I bet more people recognized at least the series of Metal Gear, than did the individual title of Adventure. So I think that it's more significant for Mario to get as much as it did on a known series at least, than Zelda to get that much on a much lesser game. Still 95 is insane, and Mario vs Zelda shouldn't be a blowout. But for Zelda vs Adventure, I think it was the series not the game that garnered votes.

Today is more surprising, because you would think people would recognize Donkey Kong instead of Zelda, but this time it's possible more people haven't played Dk so voted for their series favorite, or the game they played instead. But come SMB3 vs Zelda it might just boil down to a game more people actually played and like, smb, than the game that has been relying on series votes for its wins. Don't get me wrong, LoZ could probably stand in its own rite, but that's only coming from what I've heard of it, I missed out on the game itself.

Not to say it won't be close, but SMB3 has now beaten a Metal Gears and a Metroid game, and pretty easily at that. Zelda has crushed Adventure, which I doubt most knew, and Dk, which in this form never had much going for it. It's Mario's match to lose.
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Well, I think there just isn't a clear favorite, and we won't know which is destined to win until it happens. I've been saying all along that Zelda needed more attention and that SMB3 shouldn't be treated like a heavy favorite. I even believed that Mario 3 had the edge, but thefact still stands that by no means has there ever been a clear advantage for either. SMB3 is, iirc, the heavily favored one in the BoP, but like I've said, it shouldn't be that way. Anyone who says they believe one game has a huge advantage over the other need to not speak :) It's a toss-up, and it will be a toss-up until they meet.
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no way is Galaga stronger than Pong

I'm pretty sure slowflake said this, too lazy to check, but I don't think Tetris' allowance of what was it 20 something percent to Galaga really says much about Tetris. Galaga is a great game, and it has appearances on Playstation, N64, Gamecube, as well as others I believe. I think Pong only won perhaps because of recognition over RcR, but I think it would have been a somewhat interesting battle had it faced Galaga instead. It may have been the same, but I bet more people actually like Tetris and Galaga, than those that like Pong, maybe not, but Galaga has been reintroduced to more people than Pong has, right?
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There may not be a heavy favorite, but a slight favorite is definitely in order. =)
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At this point, I think Legend of Zelda and Mario 3 are nearly equal. I have a hard time conceding that Metal Gear is that much more popular than Donkey Kong.

And then there's the fact that Link is the one who decimates everyone in the character contest, not Mario.

It's going to be really close.
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I don't think there is even a slight favorite at this point. You can have leanings towards one or the other (and with a name like Heroic Mario we know how it goes for you), but without that bias you can't say the numbers are pointing to one side without recognizing that situations push it the otherway as well. It's too unclear right now.
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Well, the only reason I would say that SMB3 would be a slight favorite is how bad I think Metroid would beat Donkey Kong, and the fact I`ve never considered Donkey Kong to be all that strong of an opponent, but I`d venture to say there isn`t one of the two who immediately stands out from numbers but speaking from another point I think SMB3 is the slight favorite - personal bias? Maybe, heh. Anyway, I think we might be able to decide the "slight favorite" after the two next round matches. I mean, I would give the favorite to LoZ if it managed to get 75%+ against Tetris and SMB3 sitting at 65% with Final Fantasy. Though if SMB3 can manage 70% I`m definitely inclined to just give it to SMB3 without thinking about it.

Also though, I do prefer the Zelda games/series to almost everything else out there. So while I am favoring SMB3 here I still vastly enjoy LoZ and wouldn`t mind it winning - though I`d still be mad << - and among my top few favorite games Mario and Zelda equal each other, heh.
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Remember how I said, on day one of the brackets coming out, that this match was a crapshoot, and then you were laughing at me, like, all D00D PICK TEH SMB3?

Well, look who's laughing now. This match IS a crapshoot, like it or not.

And I really think LoZ is going to hurt Tetris bad. My first thought on this match was that the only thing of interest there would be if it was going to top Jill/Link for biggest third round blowout. And it just might.

If SMB3 has even to break a sweat to beat FF1, it's over.
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Remember how I said, on day one of the brackets coming out, that this match was a crapshoot, and then you were laughing at me, like, all D00D PICK TEH SMB3?

I said that?

Well, look who's laughing now. This match IS a crapshoot, like it or not.

I still say SMB3 has this match won... getting two blowouts against two very weak opponents doesn`t just send chills down my spine.

And I really think LoZ is going to hurt Tetris bad. My first thought on this match was that the only thing of interest there would be if it was going to top Jill/Link for biggest third round blowout. And it just might.

If LoZ does I will then call it the slight favorite and probably look for it to beat SMB3 if it can manage a blowout against Tetris.

If SMB3 has even to break a sweat to beat FF1, it's over.

Under 60% I`d imagine would be breaking a sweat?
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Nintendo® - The Beginning and the End
It is ironic that the last one in the line has the potential to become the Hero of legend.

In fact, despite my prediction of 82% in the Oracle Challenge I was very tempted to raise it to 85% right before the match started so this match really did not come as a surprise to me prediction-wise.
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Nintendo® - The Beginning and the End
It is ironic that the last one in the line has the potential to become the Hero of legend.

even at a Best Game competition at a hugely PC-biased site like Gamespy, Mario 3 came within a few hundred votes of making the Final Four.

uh, NGamer64, actually Super Mario Bros. 3 took SECOND PLACE in Gamespy's contest. it lost in the final round to Half-Life. all on a huge PC based site. even Zelda:OOT only made it to the Elite Eight. the original Zelda was nowhere in sight.


Thirdly, anyone who claims that voting in the 8-bit division is going on strictly along franchise lines is crazy. Would Mario have put up 78% in a direct matchup with Samus? Would he even be able to manage 58%? Very doubtful.

i agree. i still believe that there is very little of a same fanbase factor between Metroid and SMB3. why would there be? because they were both made by Nintendo and on the same system? by that reasoning, that would mean that SMB3 would share the same fanbase as Duck Hunt, Excitebike, Kid Icarus, Mike Tyson's Punch-Out, NES Play Action Football, Ice Climbers, and Gyromite. do you honestly think SFF would affect SMB3 against any of those games? i'm sorry, but there is absolutely no reason why there would be any kind of split fanbase in Metroid vs. SMB3.


And since SMB3 and LoZ aren't in the main series... oh man, imagine the riot on the board if LoZ won. And then if LttP won the following day. And then if OoT beat FF7... if there are politicking votes, ANY at all, they will ALL go to FF10... and even there I'd expect that to not be enough.

if by some insane miracle, this all Zelda Final Four actually happened, then i personally guarantee you that Link would not win this year's Character Contest.

and overall, i still consider SMB3 to be the favorite, because it is Mario at his best. i believe that SMB3 vs. Zelda:OOT would be a tough match to call, but this is only the original Zelda, which doesn't share near as much support as OOT. it's the same reason why Zelda:OOT would be the favorite over SMB2. because SMB2 wasn't nearly as great or as popular as SMB3.

SMB3 will not lose to Zelda.

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Current Score: 35/38 (through Zelda vs. DK) ?????/????? with ???? other people
A WINNER of Trivia 12

yeah, Zelda beating DK by this much doesn't shock me either. DK and Adventure are much weaker opponents than Metal Gear and Metroid.


cyko's Point of View

Match 36

(2) Tetris vs. (7) Pong

no time for a detailed analysis, but Pong faced an extremely obscure game last round. i would put RCR on exactly the same level as Gunstar Heroes. Galaga ain't exactly a big challenge either, but it was still a more impressive victory for Tetris than Pong managed. basically, i believe that Pong won on name recognition alone, while Tetris has been played by many more people.

i'm expecting Tetris to at least double Pong without breaking a sweat.


prediction: Tetris with 65-69%

my bracket: Tetris

personal favorite: Tetris - Pong was just Pong. meh. while Tetris wasn't the most exciting game, it is pretty dang addicting and i'll still pick it up every now and then on my GBA.

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Current Score: 35/38 (through Zelda vs. DK) ?????/????? with ???? other people
A WINNER of Trivia 12

That is a bad analogy. OoT vs SMB2 would result in a blowout possibly bigger than today's match.
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Contest Score: 38/38
Next Pick : Tetris

But when you think about it OoT certainly would not have an easy time knocking out SMB3.
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Nintendo® - The Beginning and the End
It is ironic that the last one in the line has the potential to become the Hero of legend.

Chances of LoZ pwning my bracket have increased by 124%.
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Engaged to MWIS 04/07/04
Current Sp2K4 Score: 35/36, Next Winner: The Legend of Zelda

it's not a bad analogy at all. why would OOT defeat SMB2? because it is the superior game. that match would have nothing to do with each series as a whole. that is the same reason why SMB3 will beat the original Zelda. SMB3 is the peak of the Mario series, just like OOT. and Zelda 1 is still a great game, but nowhere near OOT or even LTTP. who cares if Zelda annihilated some pushover opponents? SMB3 would have done just as well, if not better.

that is why SMB3 will not lose.

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Current Score: 35/38 (through Zelda vs. DK) ?????/????? with ???? other people
A WINNER of Trivia 12

who cares if Zelda annihilated some pushover opponents? SMB3 would have done just as well, if not better.

My thoughts exactly.
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Nintendo® - The Beginning and the End
It is ironic that the last one in the line has the potential to become the Hero of legend.

and OOT would not crush SMB2 nearly as badly as today's match. and, yes, it would be neck and neck with SMB3. that may even be a potential final match.

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Current Score: 35/38 (through Zelda vs. DK) ?????/????? with ???? other people
A WINNER of Trivia 12