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| From: creativename | Posted: 4/30/2004 9:23:03 AM | Message Detail |
| SoA
may be an RPG, but up until now the RPG factor hasn't gotten lesser
known games past 20% against a decent opponent. Is this just the first
half decent opponent for Zelda, or is it something else? Skies of Arcadia is indeed the first decent opponent faced by a Zelda game, but there's also a something else. Namely, this is the 128 Division, "The land where blowouts are forbidden unless your name is Shenmue and perhaps total PWNage is forbidden even then". --- Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4! SC2K4.com |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 4/30/2004 9:45:11 AM | Message Detail |
| We could still see a blowout in this division. --- ChichiriMuyo is officially the Discussion Guru Encyclopedia - UltimaterializerX And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/30/2004 10:44:02 AM | Message Detail |
| *** COMPARISONS GAME - Match #29 - (6) FINAL FANTASY TACTICS ADVANCE vs. (11) FIRE EMBLEM *** Sales Don't have much numbers to work with, but I do know that FFTA outsold FE 2 to 1 in Japan in 2003. If FE can't cut it in Japan, it can't in the US. - Advantage FFTA. Franchises No, this is NOT Link on the screen. Come again. - Advantage FFTA GameFAQs Status Number of FAQs: FFTA Number of reviews: FFTA Average review score: Fire Emblem Board activity: Fire Emblem FE winning the average review score doesn't come off as much of a surprise, because the general consensus has FFTA being somewhat of a letdown. But the board activity... wow. (I used the General and Game Help boards for the record.) 2 to 1 in favor of FE... it would've been good to realize while making our brackets. The magnitude of the wins in all categories is quite big... so I have no choice. - TIE. Board Odds Project PICKS (out of 102) Final Fantasy Tactics Advance - 96 Fire Emblem - 6 POINT VALUE 25. Final Fantasy Tactics Advance - 98 42. Fire Emblem - 20 Okay, so one guy has FE winning the entire division. Other than that anomaly, it confirms that FE, while having a shot, is a tremendous underdog, but the winner is just FF10 fodder either way. - Advantage FFTA. Summer Contests / Polls of the Day There has been one direct comparison between the two... and it speaks volumes. FFTA won GBA GotY for 2003, quadrupling FE in the process. Is that enough? - Advantage FFTA. Intangibles If FE wins this match, this category is accountable for it. Much like why Half-Life is doing so well, at any rate. FFTA, as I said earlier, is a disappointment for many fans of the series. Whether it's able to turn off enough of the rabid ones is unknown, but it could happen. Also, FE got a big boost of popularity from SSBM (the Marth vs. Roy debate is an homage to this). It got people to want to see what FE is, since it was Japan-only before. And the people liked it. - Advantage FIRE EMBLEM. Conclusion: Before this division began, FE looked like one of the most interesting upset prospects in the division (save for Starcraft of course). With Soul Calibur and Half-Life doing what many thought was impossible, FE could have a real shot. Then again, this is Final Fantasy we're talking about... but a rather unpopular one. Will sanity finally come back, or is even Shenmue going to put up a fight? --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 022/027 --- Matches: 22/27 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: Prime |
| From: FFantasyFX | Posted: 4/30/2004 11:51:37 AM | Message Detail |
| Slowflake: FYI -- Fire Emblem has so far sold 200,000 copies in North America. FFTA has sold a bit more than 500,000. Your assumption was quite correct, although hopefully Fire Emblem will have some legs thanks to word of mouth. |
| From: Smurf Thy Legend | Posted: 4/30/2004 11:54:17 AM | Message Detail |
| Its thick but the FF name alone will ensure victory. --- www.geocities.com/characterbattle2004 - The Spring Character Battle |
| From: Mac Arrowny | Posted: 4/30/2004 3:16:37 PM | Message Detail |
| ________JP______NA__ FFTA 441,926 478,137 FE __345,574 231,726 While I'm surprised by the low sales of FFTA and the high sales of FE, it's still no real contest in the sales department, althought at GameFAQs, such a small difference might not make a difference. As for the quality of the games, I haven't played either, but they have exactly equal ratings on GameRankings, and my cousin who loves FFT loves FFTA even more, so... |
| From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 4/30/2004 3:20:50 PM | Message Detail |
| To
be honest, I`m shocked by today`s results of Half-Life doing this much
to Metroid Prime and since I have Metroid Prime over Wind Waker I`m
more worried about that match. >< --- Nintendo® - The Beginning and the End Fight, Mega Man! For everlasting peace! |
| From: JihadJoe | Posted: 4/30/2004 3:22:51 PM | Message Detail |
| You've clearly underestimated HL buddy, a LOT of people play HL..... --- "Say goodnight to the badguy." Tony Montana Pentium 4 3.2GHz|1024MB PC3200 DDR RAM|ATI Radeon 9800 Pro|SB Audigy Live!2|120 GB HDD |
| From: charmander6000 | Posted: 4/30/2004 4:27:41 PM | Message Detail |
| All Time Records Top 10 Biggest Blowouts (difference in percentage) 1) 90.40% - Legend of Zelda vs. Adventure (I) from 2004 Spring Contest 2) 84.60% - Mega Man vs. Ms. Pac-Man (I) from 2002 Summer Contest 3) 83.68% - Mega Man vs. Serious Sam (II) from 2002 Summer Contest 4) 82.70% - Link vs. AiAi (I) from 2003 Summer Contest 5) 82.30% - Legend of Zelda: LTTP vs. Gunstar Heroes (I) from 2004 Spring Contest 6) 77.92% - Mega Man vs. Mr. Resetti (I) from 2003 Summer Contest 7) 76.84% - Mario vs. Captain Olimar (I) from 2003 Summer Contest 8) 75.42% - Sephiroth vs. Gabe Logan (I) from 2002 Summer Contest 9) 75.28% - Final Fantasy vs. Pitfall (I) from 2004 Spring Contest 10) 73.82% - Cloud Strife vs. CATS (I) from 2003 Summer Contest Top 10 Biggest Vote Gaps (difference in votes) 1) 88208 - Legend of Zelda vs. Adventure (I) from 2004 Spring Contest 2) 84196 - Link vs. AiAi (I) from 2003 Summer Contest 3) 80505 - Mega Man vs. Mr. Resetti (I) from 2003 Summer Contest 4) 79918 - Cloud Strife vs. CATS (I) from 2003 Summer Contest 5) 78272 - Legend of Zelda: LTTP vs. Gunstar Heroes (I) from 2004 Spring Contest 6) 77511 - Mario vs. Captain Olimar (I) from 2003 Summer Contest 7) 76348 - Final Fantasy 7 vs. Suikoden 2 (I) from 2004 Spring Contest 8) 74682 - Final Fantasy vs. Pitfall (I) from 2004 Spring Contest 9) 73838 - Crono vs. Tom Nook (I) from 2003 Summer Contest 10) 70809 - Sephiroth vs. Max Payne (II) from 2003 Summer Contest Top 10 Closest Matches (difference in percentage) 1) 0.04% - Samus Aran vs. Sonic the Hedgehog (III) from 2002 Summer Contest 2) 0.10% - Mario vs. Crono (V) from 2002 Summer Contest 3) 0.10% - Mario vs. Crono (III) from 2003 Summer Contest 4) 0.14% - Donkey Kong vs. Duck Hunt (I) from 2004 Spring Contest 5) 0.22% - Mario vs. Cloud Strife (IV) from 2002 Summer Contest 6) 0.34% - Starcraft vs. Halo (I) from 2004 Spring Contest 7) 0.60% - Magus vs. Ganondorf (II) from 2003 Summer Contest 8) 0.96% - Tommy Vercetti vs. Donkey Kong (II) from 2003 Summer Contest 9) 1.02% - Sephiroth vs. Mega Man (III) from 2002 Summer Contest 10) 1.20% - Kingdom Hearts vs. Soul Calibur (I) from 2004 Spring Contest Top 10 Smallest Vote Gaps (difference in votes) 1) 34 - Samus Aran vs. Sonic the Hedgehog (III) from 2002 Summer Contest 2) 115 - Mario vs. Crono (V) from 2002 Summer Contest 3) 137 - Mario vs. Crono (III) from 2003 Summer Contest 4) 143 - Donkey Kong vs. Duck Hunt (I) from 2004 Spring Contest 5) 277 - Mario vs. Cloud Strife (IV) from 2002 Summer Contest 6) 373 - Starcraft vs. Halo (I) from 2004 Spring Contest 7) 650 - Magus vs. Ganondorf (II) from 2003 Summer Contest 8) 968 - Tommy Vercetti vs. Donkey Kong (II) from 2003 Summer Contest 9) 987 - Sephiroth vs. Mega Man (III) from 2002 Summer Contest 10) 1088 - Kingdom Hearts vs. Soul Calibur (I) from 2004 Spring Contest Top 10 Most Popular Polls (by vote totals) 1) 147637 - Cloud Strife vs. Link (V) from 2003 Summer Contest 2) 133005 - Mario vs. Crono (III) from 2003 Summer Contest 3) 129703 - Mario vs. Cloud Strife (IV) from 2002 Summer Contest 4) 124443 - Cloud Strife vs. Sephiroth (VI) from 2003 Summer Contest 5) 124192 - Sephiroth vs. Mega Man (V) from 2003 Summer Contest 6) 123587 - Sephiroth vs. Mario (IV) from 2003 Summer Contest 7) 118961 - Mega Man vs. Solid Snake (IV) from 2003 Summer Contest 8) 116190 - Squall Leonhart vs. Luigi (II) from 2003 Summer Contest 9) 115738 - Ganondorf vs. Tidus (I) from 2003 Summer Contest 10) 113881 - Zelda vs. Lara Croft (I) from 2003 Summer Contest |
| From: charmander6000 | Posted: 4/30/2004 4:28:15 PM | Message Detail |
| Top 10 Least Popular Polls (by vote totals) 1) 50816 - Max Payne vs. Dirk the Daring (I) from 2002 Summer Contest 2) 51889 - Pac-Man vs. Kyo Kusanagi (II) from 2002 Summer Contest 3) 52419 - Bomberman vs. Kane (I) from 2002 Summer Contest 4) 52618 - Donkey Kong vs. Bub (I) from 2002 Summer Contest 5) 52874 - Duke Nukem vs. Iori Yagami (I) from 2002 Summer Contest 6) 53213 - Mario vs. Servbot (I) from 2002 Summer Contest 7) 53920 - Kyo Kusanagi vs. Abe (I) from 2002 Summer Contest 8) 54997 - Serious Sam vs. Mr. Driller (I) from 2002 Summer Contest 9) 55392 - Ryo Hazuki vs. Guybrush Threepwood (I) from 2002 Summer Contest 10) 56361 - Tina Armstrong vs. Gordon Freeman (I) from 2002 Summer Contest Top 10 Highest Individual Votes 1) 94086 - Cloud Strife (I) from 2003 Summer Contest 2) 92998 - Link (I) from 2003 Summer Contest 3) 92894 - Legend of Zelda (I) from 2004 Spring Contest 4) 91905 - Mega Man (I) from 2003 Summer Contest 5) 91749 - Final Fantasy 7 (I) from 2004 Spring Contest 6) 90364 - Sephiroth (I) from 2003 Summer Contest 7) 89595 - Sephiroth (II) from 2003 Summer Contest 8) 89189 - Mario (I) from 2003 Summer Contest 9) 88469 - Crono (I) from 2003 Summer Contest 10) 86938 - Final Fantasy (I) from 2004 Spring Contest Top 10 Lowest Individual Votes 1) 4686 - Adventure (I) from 2004 Spring Contest 2) 5257 - Ms. Pac-Man (I) from 2002 Summer Contest 3) 5414 - Serious Sam (II) from 2002 Summer Contest 4) 8418 - Gunstar Heroes (I) from 2004 Spring Contest 5) 8602 - Gabe Logan (I) from 2002 Summer Contest 6) 8802 - AiAi (I) from 2003 Summer Contest 7) 11076 - Little Mac (I) from 2002 Summer Contest 8) 11145 - CATS (I) from 2002 Summer Contest 9) 11292 - Pitfall Harry (I) from 2002 Summer Contest 10) 11400 - Mr. Resetti (I) from 2003 Summer Contest Top 10 Most Impressive Losers (by votes) 1) 71438 - Link (V) from 2003 Summer Contest 2) 66434 - Crono (III) from 2003 Summer Contest 3) 64713 - Cloud Strife (IV) from 2002 Summer Contest 4) 59865 - Sephiroth (VI) from 2003 Summer Contest 5) 57078 - Tidus (I) from 2003 Summer Contest 6) 56258 - Halo (I) from 2004 Spring Contest 7) 55322 - Solid Snake (IV) from 2003 Summer Contest 8) 54529 - Ganondorf (II) from 2003 Summer Contest 9) 53716 - Crono (V) from 2002 Summer Contest 10) 50457 - Donkey Kong (II) from 2003 Summer Contest Top 10 Least Impressive Winners (by votes) 1) 30662 - Strider Hiryu (I) from 2002 Summer Contest 2) 30711 - Pikachu (I) from 2002 Summer Contest 3) 31160 - Kyo Kusanagi (I) from 2002 Summer Contest 4) 31798 - Donkey Kong (II) from 2002 Summer Contest 5) 32301 - Serious Sam (I) from 2002 Summer Contest 6) 32602 - Donkey Kong (I) from 2002 Summer Contest 7) 32607 - Pac-Man (II) from 2002 Summer Contest 8) 33160 - Duke Nukem (I) from 2002 Summer Contest 9) 33516 - Alucard (I) from 2002 Summer Contest 10) 33602 - Sonic the Hedgehog (II) from 2002 Summer Contest |
| From: charmander6000 | Posted: 4/30/2004 4:29:02 PM | Message Detail |
| Top 10 Easiest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner)* 1) 99.1% - Link vs. AiAi (I) from 2003 Summer Contest 2) 98.0% - Mario vs. Captain Olimar (I) from 2003 Summer Contest 3) 96.4% - Link vs. Little Mac (I) from 2002 Summer Contest 4) 95.9% - Mario vs. Servbot (I) from 2002 Summer Contest 5) 95.6% - Sonic the Hedgehog vs. Pitfall Harry (I) from 2002 Summer Contest 6) 95.6% - Mega Man vs. Mr. Resetti (I) from 2003 Summer Contest 7) 95.4% - Link vs. Fox McCloud (II) from 2003 Summer Contest 8) 94.9% - Cloud Strife vs. CATS (I) from 2003 Summer Contest 9) 94.2% - Donkey Kong vs. Bub (I) from 2002 Summer Contest 10) 94.1% - Mega Man vs. Ms. Pac-Man (I) from 2002 Summer Contest Top 10 Hardest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner)* 1) 6.0% - Cloud Strife vs. Sephiroth (VI) from 2003 Summer Contest 2) 12.8% - Link vs. Mario (VI) from 2002 Summer Contest 3) 13.4% - Cloud Strife vs. Link (V) from 2003 Summer Contest 4) 14.5% - Mega Man vs. Solid Snake (IV) from 2003 Summer Contest 5) 14.6% - Crono vs. Solid Snake (IV) from 2002 Summer Contest 6) 17.3% - Scorpion vs. Pac-Man (III) from 2002 Summer Contest 7) 21.7% - Sephiroth vs. Mega Man (V) from 2003 Summer Contest 8) 24.2% - Magus vs. Ganondorf (II) from 2003 Summer Contest 9) 28.8% - Alucard vs. Duke Nukem (II) from 2002 Summer Contest 10) 30.6% - Link vs. Sephiroth (V) from 2002 Summer Contest *2004 Spring Contest predictions haven’t been released yet p.s. I'll only update when there is a change --- LUE is a cancer, and if it can't be destroyed, it must be contained. - CjayC My Score 24/27 Metroid Prime vs. Half-Life |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 4/30/2004 4:43:23 PM | Message Detail |
| Nice work up there. Wow. Just... wow. This is insane. From what I gather, Prime has the morning vote, but if it can't do better than that against Half-Life, how can Wind Waker be expected to lose? Who has been saying this since day one again? Oh right. *smiles and walks away* But seriously, if you look at the Prophet topic, I expected something like this. I only picked Prime to win by 3333 votes, so it`s actually doing better than I thought. --- Boards Hunted: 4098 I would like to take this moment to politely and sincerely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf |
| From: cyko | Posted: 4/30/2004 4:53:00 PM | Message Detail |
| nice historical brackets, Steve Illumina. ^_^ here's my comments on it: Division 8 1: Legend of Zelda 16: Adventure 8: Ms Pac Man 9: Centipede 5: Punch Out! 12: Metroid 4: Mega Man 2 13: Gauntlet 6: Final Fantasy I 11: Phantasy Star 3: Tetris 14: Space Invaders 7: Donkey Kong 10: River Raid 2: SMB 3 15: Pong Get rid of: Metal Gear, Pac Man, Contra, Pitfall, Duck Hunt, RCR and Galaga that one looks pretty good, especially replacing Pac-Man with Ms. Pac-Man. Megaman 2 and Punch-Out absolutely should've made the tourney, but so should one of the Dragon Warriors. Centipede is an okay alternative to Pitfall, but there's better arcade representatives like Arkanoid or Frogger. but River Raid? that's about as obscure as Adventure. maybe even moreso. at least Adventure sound like an adventure game of sorts. oh, and out of the games you dumped, Contra absolutely needs to stay. it was hugely popular and quite a good shooter. Division 16 1 Street Fighter 2 16 StarFox 8 NBA Jam 9 Warcraft II 5 Super Mario World 12 Doom 4 Mortal Kombat II 13 Donkey Kong Country 6 Super Metroid 11 Final Fantasy IV 3 Sonic the Hedgehog 14 F-Zero 7 Super Mario Kart 10 Sim City 2. FFVI 15 Command and Conquer Get rid of: Chrono Trigger, Mana, Mario RPG, Shining Force, Simpsons, Gunstar, P Star IV, Earthbound and Mortal Kombat some of the changes are good, but the seeding is waaaay out of whack. SF2, Sonic, and MK2 are all very over-seeded. Super Mario Kart was the number one biggest game missing from this tourney. DKC and C&C and Warcraft are also good additions. but you simply CANNOT get rid of LTTP and Chrono Trigger. they are two of the biggest games of the era. Division 32-64 1 FFVII 16 Panzer Dragoon Saga 8 Ultima Online 9 Madden Football 5 Castlevania Symphony 12 Resident Evil 4 Metal Gear Solid 13 Diablo 6 Quake 11 Radiant Silvergun 3 Mario 64 14 C&C: Red Alert 7 Goldeneye 10 Pokemon 2 Zelda Ocarina 15 Virtua Fighter Get rid of: Suikoden II, Xenogears, FF Tactics, DDR, P Dark, Nights, Fallout 2 Radiant Silvergun? what?? does not belong here at all. neither does Virtua Fighter or Red Alert if you already have the original in. put FFT, DDR, and unfortunately Nights back in for what they did for their respective platforms and genres. Division 128 1 Halo 16 Counterstrike 8 Everquest 9 Metal Gear Solid 2 5 Super Smash Bros Melee 12 Tony Hawk Pro Skater 4 4 Soul Caliber 2 13 Ninja Gaiden 6 GTA: Vice City 11 Metroid Prime 3 Gran Turismo 3 14 Kingdom Hearts 7 StarCraft 10 Wind Waker 2 FFX 15 Splinter Cell Get rid of: Soul Caliber 1, Half Life, Skies of Arcadia, FFTA, Fire Emblem, Shenmue, Star Wars Gran Turismo was a pretty huge series missing from the contest, too. good choice, there. otherwise, not bad, except you could swap Counterstrike and Splinter Cell for two of the RPGs you took out. and i do believe that Half-Life proved today that it belongs in the contest. --- Current Score: 22/24 (through OOT vs Fallout 2) ?????/????? with ???? other people A WINNER of Trivia 12 |
| From: cyko | Posted: 4/30/2004 5:12:44 PM | Message Detail |
cyko's Point of View Match 29 (6) Final Fantasy Tactics Advance vs. (11) Fire Emblem well, since this division is going all over the place, i will go on record right now by saying that Fire Emblem will do very well tomorrow. why? for some reason, the consensus is that FFTA isn't nearly as appreciated as the original FFT. in fact, it's even generated some hate on this board. and virtually everyone who has played Fire Emblem has loved it. consider this also: it's also the most recently released game to make the contest. it got enough nominations to be the number two GBA game after being released for only three or four months. another two months have passed, so plenty more people will have been exposed to FE than when the nominations were made. unfortunately for FE, it's still relatively obscure, so it suffers from PDSS ( Panzer Dragoon Saga Syndrome); not many people have played the game, but the few who have think it's absolutely awesome. most people i've talked to that have played both games admit that Fire Emblem was better, even the people who loved FFTA. however, there are two key words here that will decide the match: Final and Fantasy. Fire Emblem isn't quite well-known enought o take down the monster franchise of Final Fantasy. it's got a slight chance for an upset here where most people are RPG freaks. but the well-known name will be enough to pull FFTA through. remember though, this will be the third close match out of five in this division that noone expected to be close. prediction: FFTA with 56-60% my bracket: FFTA personal favorite: FFTA - i don't know why FFTA receives so much hate here. i loved FFTA. although, admittedlly, i haven't played much of Fire Emblem yet. it's my next GBA game to play through after i'm done with Lufia: ruins of Lore. --- Current Score: 22/24 (through OOT vs Fallout 2) ?????/????? with ???? other people A WINNER of Trivia 12 |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/30/2004 6:31:35 PM | Message Detail |
| We
knew division 128 was going to be madness, but I thought round 1 would
be relatively spared, save for Halo/Starcraft. I wouldn't be surprised
if FE won, though this would definitely be the finishing blow for my
comeback hopes. Wow, people are putting the blame on vote-stuffing for a 56-44 match. Never seen this before... Halo fanboys look like super-geniuses compared to the Half-Life ones. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 022/027 --- Matches: 22/27 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: Prime |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 4/30/2004 6:32:50 PM | Message Detail |
| I
just remembered something. Ever since Tai got modded four times in the
last topic, he hasn`t been around here much. And then there`s the fact
that he has been proven wrong about Zelda, Starcraft, and now Metroid
Prime. Good times, good times. --- Boards Hunted: 4098 I would like to take this moment to politely and sincerely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf |
| From: Yesmar | Posted: 4/30/2004 7:30:58 PM | Message Detail |
| Half-Life
is doing fairly impressive right now, but not nearly impressive enough
for me to start giving Wind Waker a bye to the Sweet Sixteen. This match should go to show us that you can not use Summer Contest Results to predict Spring Contest results. Sure Gordon Freeman is probably an extreme example of this, but except for some general cases I think comparing characters and games is not the best choice prediction-wise. So in conclusion, good job Half-Life. You proved that you are not just a random jobber like Gordon is and proved that the PC FPS genre does have a place at GameFAQS after all. --- Heh Heh... The wind... It is blowing...--Ganondorf |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/30/2004 7:33:05 PM | Message Detail |
| I talked to my brother, and he thinks FE will win tomorrow. I'm going to feel so bad if he ends up being right. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 022/027 --- Matches: 22/27 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: Prime |
| From: Phediuk | Posted: 4/30/2004 8:13:01 PM | Message Detail |
| Match #27 Review: Predictable. Match #29 Preview: *grits teeth* FFTA will...win... --- "Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle." -Toad in Super Mario Bros. |
| From: Ngamer64 | Posted: 4/30/2004 8:17:14 PM | Message Detail |
| Non-RPG
games themselves, though, are very different. Character contests would
tend to be very biased towards RPGs; even on non-RPG biased sites, RPG
characters would probably perform better than would otherwise be
expected. A game's popularity is more related to how played/liked it
was. Thing is, this seems utterly obvious, and I actually knew last summer that character contests would be RPG-character biased. For some reason, I just never remembered to apply that to this contest. I don't know how you could have missed it, creative. Back in Pre-Season 1 and 2, this was one of the major points brought up by myself and couple others as to why Nintendo could be expected to perform better this time around. The games have always been a blast, but you rarely find a very deep protagonist. We specifically tried to apply this to the upcoming Ocarina/FF7 match as justification for why to bet again Cloud and Co. In other news... I really, really wish I had followed my own advice as to how today's match might be tight, and lowered my Oracle into the lower 60's. Man, this division has been killing me left and right... the only time I've been able to call a match within 5%, I went and picked the wrong winner! And tomorrow isn't a giveaway either. --- the-elite.net Guru Rankings: geocities.com/cyber1166/gamefaqs/ContestGurus.xls The Contest Archives: http://geocities.com/cyber1166/gamefaqs |
| From: FastFalcon05 | Posted: 4/30/2004 8:21:07 PM | Message Detail |
| did you mean against Cloud and Co? and I wish I could lament being in 7th in Oracle. --- Silly Rabbit...Trix are for....kids. |
| From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 5/1/2004 12:03:14 AM | Message Detail |
| Well,
FFTA is out to a good 66% lead right now, sadly enough. I hope that
Fire Emblem is able to make it closer than this, considering how good a
game it was. But was surprises me is that FE was such a good game and a
popular one for the GBA yet FFTA is managing to completely take care of
it. I figured after three rather close matches in this division,
especially the Half-Life incident, that Fire Emblem could do more than
this. I think it`ll end up going down quite a bit by the time this
match ends, but if it doesn`t it`d look like the FF name really would
give it a push it more than what I had thought. I predicted 57% for FFTA by the way. --- Nintendo® - The Beginning and the End Fight, Mega Man! For everlasting peace! |
| From: Tarrot | Posted: 5/1/2004 12:28:24 AM | Message Detail |
| What I think: There were so many blow outs in the 8 bit division because, quite simply, no one's played those games, except maybe on an emulator or on the NES for us old fogies. Therefore, people would vote on name recognition alone. This is why Zelda won with 95%, this is why Mario beat MGS, etc. As we've progressed further along, more people have played a specific game. Rather than voting on name recognition alone, they vote based on gameplay. This is why Wind Waker could only get 75% against Skies of Arcadia, why Metroid:Prime could only get 55% against Half-Life, etc. What this means: The blind fanboy vote is over-rated. While it is natural that fanboys would vote for a specific character, in terms of games, it is not as black and white. There are people who have not played games like SMB 3, even with emulators, and if it faces a FF6 or CT game that they may have played, even if they would vote Mario over Chrono, they'll vote CT over SMB3. Which comes to this problem with the 128 division: Which game is the best? There is no one game that everyone can point to and say it is just plain better than everything else. Prime and WW are both good games, but Prime was overshadowed by Fusion on the GBA, and Wind Waker is arguabally the weakest Zelda game in the tourney. Kingdom Hearts sold well, but from experiance it wasn't a great game. Starcraft has a very dedicated fanbase, but PC games are weak here, and it's the oldest game of the tournament, which does hurt it. FFTA is considered by many a dissapointment, and FFX, once again while a good game, doesn't trancend into a level of greatness. This leaves 3 real games that I see coming out of the 128 division, the one which is going to be based on what is truely the best game: SSBM, KOTOR, and GTA:VC. KOTOR has a 4 and a 5 in 2 of it's reviews, so it's out, as both VC and SSBM both only have one sub-8 review score. SSBM slightly edges out VC, so I feel that SSBM will be the game to come out of the 128 division, as it is really the strongest game there is. One thing's for sure: the nomination system is flawed. Screw Old School, let us each nominate 5 games a piece, and go from there. |
| From: redline15 | Posted: 5/1/2004 12:30:28 AM | Message Detail |
| This match should go to show us that you can not use Summer Contest Results to predict Spring Contest results. ...it worked pretty well for the first three divisions, didn't it? metal gear and ff6 were the only exceptions...and they were expected... somewhere, i read a theory that the character contests worked for the first three divisions, because those games are older. they're more obscure and harder to remember than these current games...so people went by characters more often when they voted. i don't know who said it, but they sound right to me... --- signature (n.): a random bit of gibberish that no one ever reads. |
| From: redline15 | Posted: 5/1/2004 12:33:37 AM | Message Detail |
| heh... from tarrot's post, it sounds like he might have been responsible for said theory... --- signature (n.): a random bit of gibberish that no one ever reads. |
| From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 5/1/2004 12:34:12 AM | Message Detail |
| Screw Old School I want more oldschool games in actually. --- Nintendo® - The Beginning and the End Fight, Mega Man! For everlasting peace! |
| From: redline15 | Posted: 5/1/2004 12:36:33 AM | Message Detail |
| i think three "divisions" might be appropriate myself... old school... new school... and free for all... --- signature (n.): a random bit of gibberish that no one ever reads. |
| From: Qwaar | Posted: 5/1/2004 4:27:32 AM | Message Detail |
| I'll do my version of what should have been in IMHO. 1 - Super Mario Bros. 3 16 - Space Raiders 8 - Defender Of The Crown 9 - Boulderdash 5 - Breakout 12 - Star Wars Arcade 4 - The Legend Of Zelda 13 - Galaga 6 - Pac-Man 11 - Contra 3 - Tetris 14 - Adventure 7 - Donkey Kong 10 - Pong 2 - Elite 15 - Pitfall Out - Metal gear, Metroid, Phantasy Star, Final Fantasy, Duck Hunt, River City Ransom. In - Elite, Boulderdash, Star Wars Arcade, Breakout, Space Raiders, Defender Of The Crown 1 - The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past 16 - Project X 8 - Final Fantasy III (VI) 9 - Doom 5 - Super Mario World 12 - Mortal Kombat 4 - Super Mario All-Stars 13 - Secret of Mana 6 - Super Metroid 11 - Frontier 3 - Donkey Kong Country 2 14 - Myst 7 - Street Fighter II 10 - Cannon Fodder 2 - The Secret Of Monkey Island 15 - Lotus Turbo Challenge 2 Out - Chrono Trigger, Super Mario RPG, Sonic 2, Shining Force, The Simpsons, Gunstar Heroes, Phantasy Star, Earthbound In - Project X, Frontier, Myst, Cannon Fodder, Lotus 2, Monkey Island, Super Mario All-Stars, Donkey Kong Country 2 1 - The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 16 - Panzer Dragoon Saga 8 - The Legend Of Zelda: Majora's Mask 9 - Unreal Tournament 5 - Super Mario 64 12 - Perfect Dark 4 - Goldeneye 13 - Blast Corps 6 - Metal Gear Solid 11 - Final Fantasy Tactics 3 - Half-Life 14 - Resident Evil 7 - Pokemon R/B/Y 10 - Starcraft 2 - Final Fantasy VII 15 - Homeworld Out - Suikoden II, Xenogears, Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal, Dance Dance Revolution, Castlevania: Symphony of the Night, NiGHTS into dreams..., Fallout 2. In - Blast Corps, Half-Life, Homeworld, Unreal Tournament, Majora's Mask, Pokemon R/B/Y, Starcraft 1 - Super Smash Brothers Melee 16 - Timesplitters 2 8 - Mario Kart : Double Dash 9 - Grand Theft Auto 3 5 - Freelancer 12 - Homeworld 2 4 - Final Fantasy X 13 - Tekken 4 6 - Star Wars : Knights Of The Old Replublic 11 - EVE Online 3 - Metroid Prime 14 - Rogue Squadron 3 7 - Halo : Combat Evolved 10 - Super Monkey Ball 2 - The Legend Of Zelda : The Wind Waker 15 -F-Zero GX Out - Kingdom Hearts, Soul Calibur, Skies of Arcadia , Final Fantasy Tactics Advance, Fire Emblem , Shenmue, GTA, MGS2, Half-Life, Stacraft In - Homeworld 2, Super Monkey Ball, EVE Online, Freelancer, Mario Kart, Rogue Squadron 3, Grand Theft Auto 3, F-Zero GX, Timesplitters 2 So what do you think? --- Go to my Gamefaqs forum! http://b13.ezboard.com/bgamefaqsdiscussionboard84746 |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 5/1/2004 4:42:50 AM | Message Detail |
| Thank God, Tai is capable of a smart post. I was losing hope. Now that THAT`s over with: Gran Turismo 3 14.68% 350 Grand Theft Auto III 52.98% 1263 Metal Gear Solid 2 24.92% 594 Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 3.36% 80 Virtua Fighter 4: Evolution 4.07% 97 TOTAL VOTES 2384 Any and all doubts in the rest of this division`s matches can be laid to rest. Metal Gear Solid 2 can`t even get 25% of the votes from its own PS2 fans; there is no way that it will take down SSBM. And if GTA3 is this popular, then Vice City should have a wash against KOTOR. It`s not right, but that`s a popularity contest for you. Had I stuck with SMRPG (I blame Slowflake), I`d have a perfect first round. And from the looks of it, only a couple of second round matches can even come close to causing me any problems. The real action begins during Division 16`s third round, and doesn`t stop at all afterwards. Wish me luck, everyone ^_^ And go kill Slowflake for convincing me to pick Street Fighter 2. Bad Slowflake ~_^ --- Boards Hunted: 4098 I would like to take this moment to politely and sincerely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 5/1/2004 4:44:03 AM | Message Detail |
| Oh, and I`m with Tai on the "screw old school" thing. The 2003 nominations were the best. Pick ten and fire away. --- Boards Hunted: 4098 I would like to take this moment to politely and sincerely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 5/1/2004 4:45:57 AM | Message Detail |
| I don't think you noticed, but they ask for the highest rated game according to GameRankings. There is one correct answer and four wrong, actually. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 022/027 --- Matches: 22/27 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: Prime |
| From: creativename | Posted: 5/1/2004 4:47:52 AM | Message Detail |
| Any
and all doubts in the rest of this division`s matches can be laid to
rest. Metal Gear Solid 2 can`t even get 25% of the votes from its own
PS2 fans; there is no way that it will take down SSBM. Poll of the Day results mean very little, and can be extremely misleading. I don't expect MGS2 to beat SSMB, but I believe this poll says almost nothing with regards to that match. --- Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4! SC2K4.com |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 5/1/2004 6:07:21 AM | Message Detail |
| Wait, the list was pulled from GameRankings? I thought CjayC was smarter than that. Does this mean that come the GCN poll, we aren`t seeing SSBM, MP, and SSBM all at the same time? --- Boards Hunted: 4098 I would like to take this moment to politely and sincerely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf |
| From: creativename | Posted: 5/1/2004 6:14:22 AM | Message Detail |
| I
don't think you noticed, but they ask for the highest rated game
according to GameRankings. There is one correct answer and four wrong,
actually So, so this was from today's poll? I didn't even notice. I thought he was talking about some game of the year poll. The thing about these quizzes is that a lot of people are unclear about their nature, because it doesn't explicity state "go here for the answer". The ad would be more successful if it was. Wait, the list was pulled from GameRankings? I thought CjayC was smarter than that. GameRankings is an excellent site, a great resource. Aggregrate review scores are definitely the best thing to look at, review-wise. Sites like RottenTomatoes and GameRankings are a terrific idea, inevitably successful. And the best indicator of whether the general populace will like a piece of art are the voting results; that's why things like IMDB and IBList are also very informative. --- Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4! SC2K4.com |
| From: steve illumina | Posted: 5/1/2004 6:44:31 AM | Message Detail |
| Well here we go kiddies :) Time for... Steve Illumina Speaks Thats right, the infamous yet humorous commentary is back, to go with all the rest of us here in this, the greatest of threads, the most worthy of postings on this fanboy dominated board. And so it continues, with a blowout...a laugher...a mockery of all that is Sega that in the "Modern Era" Division. Match XXX (3)Final Fantasy X vs (14)Shenmue Steve's Prediction: FFX by 82.0% Steve's Bracket: FFX Newbie's Pick: Its FF...yet again! Upset Chances: Shinobi would have done better... Comments: Here we got a joke match, for every division needs a blowout right? Its Contest Rule #4.21 "All tourneys held by GameFAQ's shall have within each division one blowout of greater than 80% margin of victory." This match satisfies this ridiculous requirement with the pride of Yu Suzuki, Shenmue, taking on the pride of Hirinobi, Nubuo and the like, in FFX. Sega...what has happened to ya? Since laying the Dreamcast to rest and retiring 700 million in failed system debt thanks to the founder's last will and testament...you have squandered your new life for the most part with duds like Shenmue. With apologies to all 12 Shenmue fanboys (as calculated by Slowflake's census), this game does not belong here. It sure as hell aint a greatest game candidate...and I did not think it had any sort of popularity to speak of... So why is it here? Well, there are some theories... 1. Square paid for an ad package recently, and as part of the deal they demanded a joke match against FFX because they know FFX does not have as rabid a base as hallowed FFVII 2. King Ceej felt pity for Sega and gave them the 64th spot in the tourney, and tried to cover it up by giving them the 14th seed...we all know they should be 16th. 3. The 'Shenmue Circle of 12', the fanboy cult of Shenmue, rallied enough people to put it in their Dreamcast slot instead of the far more worthy Soul Caliber, House of the Dead, Space Channel 5, Seaman, etc. So yep, we got Shenpoo...taking on FFX... Ah, FFX, the first FF with voice acting, and it was not bad either. This game took the bar up a few notches, not as many as FF7 did vs those before it, but still it raised it nonetheless. And with FFXII coming...can ya hear the fanboys dancing jigs of joy? I can! Probable Results: After 10 votes, FFX will win by getting all 10, and riding high the rest of the day. Shenmoo! wont get 10000 votes...wont get more than 20%...wont win...blah blah blah Steve's Moments: FFX: best summons since FF7... Shenmue: Never played it, never will, so there! --- SCK24: 28/32 Trivia XIII: Diehards Forever Steve Illumina: Standing tall against fanboys for over 20 years |
| From: Tai | Posted: 5/1/2004 6:52:27 AM | Message Detail |
| Oh, and I`m with Tai on the "screw old school" thing. The 2003 nominations were the best. Pick ten and fire away. Thanks..but..uh..you confused me with Tarrot. -_____________________- --- Welcome to SpC2k4, where you suck if you presume someone else's opinions.- Tai. |
| From: cyko | Posted: 5/1/2004 6:53:15 AM | Message Detail |
| dangit.
see, i try to predict a close match and FFTA takes off with a blowout,
lol. and has anyone else noticed that we've had terribly low vote
totals since the home page layout changed? i'll update the Top Five lists a little later. no time right now. --- Current Score: 25/28 (through MP vs Half-Life) ?????/????? with ???? other people A WINNER of Trivia 12 |
| From: Thievius Gamerus | Posted: 5/1/2004 7:12:43 AM | Message Detail |
| charmander6000 that was an impressive calculation. Thanks a lot. I really like reading these topics. --- Never argue with a fool, people might not know the difference. |
| From: jonthomson | Posted: 5/1/2004 7:20:31 AM | Message Detail |
| Qwaar:I'll do my version of what should have been in IMHO. 2 - Elite 15 - Pitfall So what do you think? I think in this instance, you're absolutely right and I've found the one other person on GameFAQs that recognises the brilliance of Elite. Although your placing of Super Metroid below Mario World and All-Stars leaves a lot to be desired :-) --- Jon Thomson - 22/28 - today: FFTA (voting Fire Emblem) - tomorrow: FFX (voting Shenmue) |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 5/1/2004 7:22:10 AM | Message Detail |
| You aren`t Tarrot? --- Boards Hunted: 4098 I would like to take this moment to politely and sincerely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf |
| From: Tai | Posted: 5/1/2004 10:36:17 AM | Message Detail |
| No I'm not Tarrot. --- Welcome to SpC2k4, where you suck if you presume someone else's opinions.- Tai. |
| From: Tarrot | Posted: 5/1/2004 10:37:27 AM | Message Detail |
| No, I am. You might remember me from saying that CT won't beat FFVI. |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 5/1/2004 11:29:17 AM | Message Detail |
| *** COMPARISONS GAME - Match #30 - (3) FINAL FANTASY 10 vs. (14) SHENMUE *** Sales Shenmue = Dreamcast. FF = millions. That's all you really need to know. - Advantage FF10. Franchises On one hand you have the most famous RPG series, EVER. On the other hand, you have some game Sega doesn't even dare to tack a genre on. Though to its credit, Shenmue beat Sonic to get in. SONIC!!! It lost my vote there, long before I picked FF10 in my bracket. - Advantage FF10. GameFAQs Status Number of FAQs: FF10 Number of reviews: FF10 Average review score: FF10 Board activity: FF10 If video games had genitalia, Shenmue would have a very painful rear door as we speak. - Advantage FF10. Board Odds Project PICKS (out of 102) Final Fantasy 10 - 101 Shenmue - 1 POINT VALUE 5. Final Fantasy 10 - 863 50. Shenmue - 3 No comment. All twelve Shenmue fanboys won't be enough to push it to the win. Let's just hope that the ones who come to this board at least have more of a clue than the Half-Life people. (They just might become my target of choice, even moreso than Shadow. They were THAT annoying.) - Advantage FF10. Summer Contests / Polls of the Day GotY 2001. End of story. Just to slam an extra nail on the coffin, Tidus ranked 12th overall, better than any other first round loser (and only Ganondorf ended up doing better among the second round losers). 12th, to Ryo's 59th. - Advantage FF10. Intangibles Can you think up of anything to counter the Square army? It's your homework for today! - Advantage FF10. Conclusion: It's going to be a good match, if only to gauge FF10's chances of winning the division. If it fails to get 80% (and Dante almost succeeded against Ryo), WW has this division locked up, unless SSBM impresses a lot against MGS2. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 023/028 --- Matches: 23/28 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: FFTA |
| From: Tai | Posted: 5/1/2004 11:34:24 AM | Message Detail |
| Another boring match. NEXT! -____- --- Welcome to SpC2k4, where you suck if you presume someone else's opinions.- Tai. |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 5/1/2004 11:40:51 AM | Message Detail |
| Qwaar's crazy as all hell bracket: 1 - Super Mario Bros. 3 16 - Space Raiders Bigger blowout than Zelda vs. Adventure 8 - Defender Of The Crown 9 - Boulderdash Lowest vote total in the contest, ever. It'd be the only non-2002 match to break into all-time records for lowest vote total. 5 - Breakout 12 - Star Wars Arcade I thought Starwars arcade was much older than this... but either way it wins by Star Wars name alone, meaning it's not a good match for a VG contest 4 - The Legend Of Zelda 13 - Galaga Super huge blowout! You took out so many great games yet you leave Galaga in when it really needs to be replaced with Space Invaders 6 - Pac-Man 11 - Contra It's be a boring match, and Pac-Man would probably still lose. 3 - Tetris 14 - Adventure Blowout for Tetris. Adventure has no place in this contest, why leave weak games in and take out strong ones like you do later? 7 - Donkey Kong 10 - Pong As boring as playing Pong, that's how the match would be. 2 - Elite 15 - Pitfall 2nd lowest vote total in the contest if this were a real matchup, guarenteed. No need to bring in a complete unknown and put it up against a complete weakling. Out - Metal gear, Metroid, Phantasy Star, Final Fantasy, Duck Hunt, River City Ransom. Metal Gear should stay, it's actually mid ranged for the division and would be upper tier in the division with your changes :P Final Fantasy and Duck Hunt also MUST stay, both have proven their worth. In - Elite, Boulderdash, Star Wars Arcade, Breakout, Space Raiders, Defender Of The Crown None of those games have the popularity to make anything short of an all 8-bit era 64 competitor bracket. 1 - The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past 16 - Project X Project what? Project Ms. Pac-Man, apparently, as it's bound for a 93/7 loss 8 - Final Fantasy III (VI) 9 - Doom Too good of a match for round one 5 - Super Mario World 12 - Mortal Kombat Wouldn't be anything special 4 - Super Mario All-Stars 13 - Secret of Mana Super Mario All-stars doesn't count. It isn't a game, it's a collection of games. Do you see any games like SMA-S in this contest? No, because they have no place. 6 - Super Metroid 11 - Frontier 90/10 split easy, Super Metroid wouldn't even have a chance to pretend to break a sweat. 3 - Donkey Kong Country 2 14 - Myst This could be interesting. DKC2 would probably win with ease, but it's still interesting. 7 - Street Fighter II 10 - Cannon Fodder As good as Cannon Fodder was, it has 0 recognition here and will indeed be Cannon Fodder for SF2 2 - The Secret Of Monkey Island 15 - Lotus Turbo Challenge 2 One of those games deserves a chance in the perfect world, the other sounds like a racing game. Monkey Island will probably never get into this contest though, so a 2 seed is beyond the normal bounds of even a dream bracket. Out - Chrono Trigger, Super Mario RPG, Sonic 2, Shining Force, The Simpsons, Gunstar Heroes, Phantasy Star, Earthbound The first 3 shouldn't even be considered for removal. You do seem to be a fan of unheard of but excellent games, so I can't see you taking out Gunstar Heroes or Earthbound. PS4 and the Simpsons are free to go, but I'll miss SF In - Project X, Frontier, Myst, Cannon Fodder, Lotus 2, Monkey Island, Super Mario All-Stars, Donkey Kong Country 2 Only two potential competitors are actually in there, DKC2 and Myst. The rest don't deserve a spot. |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 5/1/2004 11:41:17 AM | Message Detail |
| 1 - The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 16 - Panzer Dragoon Saga FF7 earned its one seed, leave it alone. OoT isn't really that good. PDS deserves better, as well. 8 - The Legend Of Zelda: Majora's Mask 9 - Unreal Tournament MM doesn't deserve to be in, and there are better FPSs than UT 5 - Super Mario 64 12 - Perfect Dark Fair enough but... 4 - Goldeneye 13 - Blast Corps Boring, one, sided, better game wins sorta. I love BC, but it has no place here. 6 - Metal Gear Solid 11 - Final Fantasy Tactics YOu're just accelerating what could be a very good match to be one round early, a waste. 3 - Half-Life 14 - Resident Evil Hal-Life could win! 7 - Pokemon R/B/Y 10 - Starcraft Pokemon would get stomped again! 2 - Final Fantasy VII 15 - Homeworld Biggest blowout in the division, bar none. Homeworld has no real place in this. Out - Suikoden II, Xenogears, Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal, Dance Dance Revolution, Castlevania: Symphony of the Night, NiGHTS into dreams..., Fallout 2. Let's see... hmm, you're f'ing crazy! SotN did better than PD and PD shouldn't get into the contest because GE is in. You're obviously a biased fanboy and lack taste. Also Xenogears deserves to stay as well as DDR and NiGHTS. In - Blast Corps, Half-Life, Homeworld, Unreal Tournament, Majora's Mask, Pokemon R/B/Y, Starcraft None of these games deserve it unless they are already in or they have a sequel in or are a sequal. 1 - Super Smash Brothers Melee 16 - Timesplitters 2 80/20, easily. Timesplitters doesn't deserve to be in anymore than anything you took out. 8 - Mario Kart : Double Dash 9 - Grand Theft Auto 3 GTA:VC is obviously supperior and we only need one GTA. DD shouldn't be in at all, and if you wanna put in a Mario Kart game go back to 16bit 5 - Freelancer 12 - Homeworld 2 Freelancer is sorta fun, I guess, but neither game even deserves to be in. 4 - Final Fantasy X 13 - Tekken 4 TTT is better than Tekken 4 which doens't deserve to be here. Soul Calibur is better than both. 6 - Star Wars : Knights Of The Old Replublic 11 - EVE Online A blowout in favor of a game that will probably lose first round. EVE REALLY has no place whatsoever here. 3 - Metroid Prime 14 - Rogue Squadron 3 RS3 isn't that great, you've taken out good games for mediocre ones. 7 - Halo : Combat Evolved 10 - Super Monkey Ball As fun as it is, SMB should never get better than 16 seed. Though in a match up with Halo... 2 - The Legend Of Zelda : The Wind Waker 15 -F-Zero GX GX wasn't that great, it didn't last as long (to me) as its predecessors, specifically the original. There are better games, and you took them out. Out - Kingdom Hearts, Soul Calibur, Skies of Arcadia , Final Fantasy Tactics Advance, Fire Emblem , Shenmue, GTA, MGS2, Half-Life, Stacraft KH, SoulCal, SoA, FE, Shenmue and VC must stay, MGS2 should stay. In - Homeworld 2, Super Monkey Ball, EVE Online, Freelancer, Mario Kart, Rogue Squadron 3, Grand Theft Auto 3, F-Zero GX, Timesplitters 2 None of those games are worthy. So what do you think? Over-all, no offence, I think it's utter crap. You've taken out so many good games that are popular enough to compete and replaced them with questionable games that will get blownout like a pornstar. If this were the official bracket I'd still be perfect and I'd be bored to death with 90% of the matches. It's uninteresting to see games that I don't know and there are a lot here. I knew all but one in the sp2k4 contest, there's easily a dozen here I don't know. It's not fun, exciting, or interesting. And if my knowledge is that lacking, I can guarentee you it will be even worse for the general public. I'm also disappointed in your removal of SotN, because it obviously prove you lack any sense of justice (PD was beaten fair and square and should be removed before SotN if eaither has to go) or taste. |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 5/1/2004 11:42:16 AM | Message Detail |
| "I thought Starwars arcade was much older than this" Newer, not older. --- ChichiriMuyo is officially the Discussion Guru Encyclopedia - UltimaterializerX And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 5/1/2004 11:49:45 AM | Message Detail |
| Aslo, here is a list of game in your bracket that I know nothing about besides the name: Defender of the Crown Boulderdash Star Wars Arcade (is this a vector graphics game?) Homeworld Homeworld 2 EVE Online And the games whose NAMES I've never even heard of: Space Raiders Elite Project X Frontier Lotus Turbo Challenge 2 That's 11 games that cannot perform better than Gunstar Heroes simply because no one will know what they are. There are probably another dozen that I do know of and/or have played that will perform just as badly. --- ChichiriMuyo is officially the Discussion Guru Encyclopedia - UltimaterializerX And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow |
| From: Haste2 | Posted: 5/1/2004 1:36:19 PM | Message Detail |
| Yeah,
this division is really something....only 2 matches so far have had
truly surprisingly results, and they're been in the past few days. Soul Calibur vs. Kingdom Hearts reminds me of Tidus vs. Ganondorf. A lot. Almost everyone who hung around the experts thought Ganondorf would destroy Tidus, and same with KH over Soul Calibur. Metroid Prime failing to get 57%? That looks bad for me, as I went for a longshot and chose MP to win the division. Well, Aeris got 43% against Snake, at least, so if I think of it that way, maybe there's hope. Yeah, right... -_-; Sucks for me that I probably won't get a single upset correct. Yes, Metroid Prime looks disappointing. However, nothing is sealed for the winner yet. Not even close. Why haven't you mentioned GTA: VC, Slowflake? Oh, and I believe that GTA:VC is much more popular than Vercetti, and that VC really should be mentioned more as a possible division winner. It's still very high on the FAQs list, and still does very, very well on the polls. And yes, SSBM could be a surprise, also...(which I'm hoping) As for the theory that RPG characters do better than other characters because they're more developed, I disagree. Ramza did poorly, and Kefka did even worse. Vyse looked as bad as Bub. I think looks is a massive factor, and Ramza and Kefka are both very ugly. Gordon Freeman is also much weaker than his game, because, well, LOOK at him. It's not because half the HL players don't know who he is, as he's on the front cover. --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| From: cyko | Posted: 5/1/2004 3:59:37 PM | Message Detail |
I think looks is a massive factor, and Ramza and Kefka are both very ugly. Gordon Freeman is also much weaker than his game, because, well, LOOK at him. It's not because half the HL players don't know who he is, as he's on the front cover. thank you, Haste2. i've been saying this for almost two years now. how else could Tina Armstrong's breasts defeat the flat-chested Gordon Freeman? because DOA is such an awesome game? psshhh.... yeah, right. and how did Shadow beat the living tar out of Wario? his looks. and Zero? he almost beat Sonic because he was one of the coolest looking characters in the contest. i'll say it once more for emphasis: if someone doesn't have or at least doesn't care about their bracket AND honestly doesn't know either character OR honestly doesn't care about either character, then their vote is going to go to the character that looks cooler or hotter or better, because the pictures are all they have to base their decision off of. and there's a lot of people that vote who only fanatically care about one or two characters. heck, i'm sure that there are even some people that honestly don't care about any of the characters. example: last year Ryu faced Dante. personally, i know both characters. but, i honestly don't care about either character. if i didn't have a bracket, i personally would have voted for Ryu only because he looks cooler than Dante. cyko's Point of View Match 30 (3) Final Fantasy X vs. (14) Shenmue well, amidst all of the chaos we're discovering among the 128-bit Division, at least we know we can count on one thing for sure: Final Fantasy X will destroy Shenmue and crush it's way to the Sweet Sixteen. if nothing else, we can all have confidence in that. do i really need to explain why one of the PS2's best selling games (which also belongs to this site's most popular RPG series) will whomp a reasonably respected Dreamcast game that not that many people have played?? nope, didn't think so. after it's first two matches, FFX is going to look like the strongest competitor of the division. just remember, though, that it looks the strongest because of it's weaker competition. Shenmue would get crushed by any other game in the division and FFTA is probably the third weakest game, ahead of Shenmue and Fire Emblem. so even after walking all over it's first two opponents, FFX is still not a lock to win the division. not yet, anyways. prediction - Final Fantasy X with 84-86% my bracket - Final Fantasy X personal favorite - Final Fantasy X - what can i say; i'm a huge RPG fan-boy and i can't deny Final Fantasy it's just praise. i still can't stand Tidus, though. --- Current Score: 25/28 (through MP vs Half-Life) ?????/????? with ???? other people A WINNER of Trivia 12 |
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