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| From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 5/2/2004 1:00:41 AM | Message Detail |
| Yeah, Xbox was the system... --- Nintendo® - The Beginning and the End Fight, Mega Man! For everlasting peace! |
| From: FFantasyFX | Posted: 5/2/2004 1:03:08 AM | Message Detail |
| More info to boggle creativename: Not only is Shenmue 2 on the XBox, but it's an XBox exclusive. Shenmue 2 did appear on the Dreamcast, but only in Europe and Japan. Microsoft scooped up exclusivity in the North American market, angering quite a few Dreamcast fanatics. And, to make a long story short, Shenmue 2 pretty much was DOA and bombed when it finally made its North American debut. While I'm no Shenmue expert, I believe the creator originally wanted to make seven some chapters to the game. Those plans, obviously, are on hold now, although every once and a while you hear rumors of Shenmue 3 bubbling in the grapevine. |
| From: Mac Arrowny | Posted: 5/2/2004 1:11:37 AM | Message Detail |
| Another thing to note is the Wind Waker vs. Metroid Prime in the PotD. Wind Waker seems to have a good lead, and won`t lose it, so does this further help out the idea that Wind Waker will win? I'd say so, since Metroid Prime is the correct answer, and it's probably getting a lot of its votes from people who knew that it was. Most of the people voting for Wind Waker probably like it more. The PotD gives Wind Waker the definite advantage. |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 5/2/2004 5:24:56 AM | Message Detail |
| *jaw drops* Sure, FF10 will likely recover a bit with the day vote, but it's becoming painfully obvious that it won't be able to beat WW's percentage against SoA, a much stronger opponent in my view, by a decent margin, or probably at all. It's either WW or SSBM now. Good point about Prime in the PotD. It would be almost nonsensical for it to beat WW now. Creativename: STOP LOOKING AT THE RAW NUMBERS! You saying Vyse did much better than Bub is nonsensical, because you didn't take the Mario/DK SFF into account! If you still don't believe me about Tidus, compare him to Samus, a character that struggled to beat Sonic one year and performed as well as Crono, Mario and Megaman the next one. In a nutshell, "improved". Why Samus? She was in Tidus' division in both contests, If you don't believe the Link/Sephiroth theory, that's a standard you can't afford to ignore. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 023/028 --- Matches: 23/28 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: FFTA |
| From: creativename | Posted: 5/2/2004 5:50:57 AM | Message Detail |
| STOP
LOOKING AT THE RAW NUMBERS! You saying Vyse did much better than Bub is
nonsensical, because you didn't take the Mario/DK SFF into account! Ay yes, I didn't realize who Bubs lost to. In that case Vyse and Bubs are comparable. If you still don't believe me about Tidus, compare him to Samus, a character that struggled to beat Sonic one year and performed as well as Crono, Mario and Megaman the next one. In a nutshell, "improved". Why Samus? She was in Tidus' division in both contests, If you don't believe the Link/Sephiroth theory, that's a standard you can't afford to ignore I really don't see why you're so stubborn about the idea that Tidus improved. Let's look deeper into it then. Tidus would've been expected to receive 41.1542% against Samus in 2002, through Sonic. Samus got 37.94% against Link in 2003. Magus got 34.928% against Link, Ganon got 49.7% against Magus, and Tidus got 49.31% against Ganon. So Samus' R.V. had a mean of .7588 to Link's 1, and Tidus' had a mean of .685. Thus Tidus would've been expected to get 45.1325% against Samus in 2002. 45.13% vs. 41.15% is a difference, but not a huge one. Certainly not one desperately begging for some sort of explanation. And since there is no explanation to be had, one cannot simply say that Tidus '02 != Tidus '03; there is just not enough to discount the null hypothesis, especially since this can also be explained by a mild Samus decrease in performance. There's more reason to think Dante improved significantly in performance than there is to think Tidus did. But we're dealing with more or less trivial amounts of improvement here, that are easily explained by model inaccuracy and volatility. --- Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4! SC2K4.com |
| From: creativename | Posted: 5/2/2004 5:57:48 AM | Message Detail |
| What
a massively disappointing performance for Final Fantasy X. I cannot
fathom Shenmue being stronger than Skies of Arcadia--both are Dreamcast
games, but Skies of Arcadia's re-release on GameCube was more
successful than Shenmue 2 on XBox, as far as I know; if anyone has
specific sales data please share it; but Skies of Arcadia is certainly
talked about a lot more on this site--so it looks like Final Fantasy X
isn't even going to put up a fight against Wind Waker. "There goes my bracket", I have to say. This is the first result that severly lowers my expectations for my point total. I had Final Fantasy X winning this division, so it looks like I'm gone from the Guru challenge. Barring yet another 128 division surprise that Shenmue is some sort of powerhouse. SSBM now looks like the best hope for something beating Wind Waker in this division, though I wouldn't totally count out Metroid Prime. I'm mostly sad for Final Fantasy X though...it's one of my favorite games. --- Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4! SC2K4.com |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 5/2/2004 6:24:22 AM | Message Detail |
| Four
points IS big enough. If this was below two, it'd pass, but not four.
This is an improvement the same magnitude as Aeris. And remember that
Samus improved a bit, too, inflating that result. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 024/029 --- Matches: 24/29 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: FF10 |
| From: cyko | Posted: 5/2/2004 6:34:17 AM | Message Detail |
Top 10 Biggest Blowouts (difference in percentage) 1) 90.40% - Legend of Zelda over Adventure 2) 82.30% - Legend of Zelda: LTTP over Gunstar Heroes 3) 75.28% - Final Fantasy over Pitfall 4) 72.62% - Legend of Zelda: OOT over Fallout 2 # 5) 71.26% - Final Fantasy 7 over Suikoden 2 6) 69.66% - Super Mario 64 over Nights * 7) 66.58% - Super Metroid over Phantasy Star 4 8) 64.60% - Super Mario Bros. 3 over Metal Gear * 9) 62.94% - Super Mario World over The Simpsons 10) 61.62% - Goldeneye 007 over Panzer Dragoon Saga * Top 10 Biggest Vote Gaps (difference in votes) 1) 88208 - Legend of Zelda over Adventure 2) 78272 - Legend of Zelda: LTTP over Gunstar Heroes 3) 76348 - Final Fantasy 7 over Suikoden 2 4) 74682 - Final Fantasy over Pitfall 5) 69753 - Legend of Zelda: OOT over Fallout 2 # 6) 61229 - Super Mario World over The Simpsons 7) 59648 - Sonic 2 over Shining Force 8) 56834 - Super Mario 64 over Nights * 9) 56376 - Super Metroid over Phantasy Star 4 10) 53087 - Chrono Trigger over Secret of Mana Top 10 Closest Matches (difference in percentage) 1) 0.14% - Donkey Kong over Duck Hunt 2) 0.34% - Starcraft over Halo # 3) 1.20% - Kingdom Hearts over Soul Calibur # 4) 6.36% - Castlvania: SotN over Perfect Dark * 5) 12.32% - Metroid Prime over Half-Life # 6) 12.48% - Super Mario RPG over Street Fighter 2 7) 14.08% - Doom over Earthbound 8) 15.90% - Xenogears over Pokemon G/S/C * 9) 22.04% - Contra over Phantasy Star 10) 32.72% - Final Fantasy Tactics Advance vs. Fire Emblem # Top 10 Smallest Vote Gaps (difference in votes) 1) 143 - Donkey Kong over Duck Hunt 2) 373 - Starcraft over Halo # 3) 1088 - Kingdom Hearts over Soul Calibur # 4) 4883 - Castlvania: SotN over Perfect Dark * 5) 9066 - Metroid Prime over Half-Life # 6) 11114 - Xenogears over Pokemon G/S/C * 7) 12076 - Super Mario RPG over Street Fighter 2 8) 12164 - Doom over Earthbound 9) 20080 - Contra over Phantasy Star 10) 22159 - Final Fantasy Tactics Advance vs. Fire Emblem # Top 10 Most Popular Polls (by vote totals) 1) 112889 - Halo vs. Starcraft # 2) 107150 - Final Fantasy 7 vs. Suikoden 2 3) 99194 - Final Fantasy vs. Pitfall 4) 97580 - Legend of Zelda vs. Adventure 5) 97285 - Super Mario World vs. The Simpsons 6) 97126 - Sonic 2 vs. Shining Force 7) 97031 - Donkey Kong vs. Duck Hunt 8) 96704 - Super Mario RPG vs. Steet Fighter 2 9) 96186 - Final Fantasy 3/6 vs. Mortal Kombat 10) 96053 - Legend of Zelda: OOT vs. Fallout 2 # Top 10 Least Popular Polls (by vote totals) 1) 65875 - Final Fantasy Tactics Advance vs. Fire Emblem # 2) 69876 - Xenogears over Pokemon G/S/C * 3) 72743 - Metroid vs. Pac-Man * 4) 73642 - Metroid Prime vs. Half-Life # 5) 74556 - Super Mario Bros. 3 vs. Metal Gear * 6) 74688 - Metal Gear Solid vs. Resident Evil * 7) 75583 - Goldeneye 007 vs. Panzer Dragoon Saga * 8) 75687 - Legend of Zelda: WW vs. Skies of Arcadia # 9) 76743 - Perfect Dark vs. Castlevania: SotN * 10) 79390 - Final Fantasy Tactics vs. Dance Dance Revolution * Top 10 Least Popular Polls without an Extra PotD (by vote totals) 1) 65875 - Final Fantasy Tactics Advance vs. Fire Emblem # 2) 73642 - Metroid Prime vs. Half-Life # 3) 75687 - Legend of Zelda: WW vs. Skies of Arcadia # 4) 84501 - Tetris vs. Galaga 5) 84664 - Super Metroid vs. Phantasy Star 4 6) 84804 - Pong vs. River City Ransom 7) 86418 - Earthbound vs. Doom 8) 90152 - Soul Calibur vs. Kingdom Hearts # 9) 90307 - Chrono Trigger vs. Secret of Mana 10) 91106 - Phantasy Star vs. Contra --- Current Score: 27/30 (through FFX vs Shenmue) ?????/????? with ???? other people A WINNER of Trivia 12 |
| From: cyko | Posted: 5/2/2004 6:35:06 AM | Message Detail |
Top 10 Highest Individual Votes 1) 92894 - Legend of Zelda 2) 91749 - Final Fantasy 7 3) 86938 - Final Fantasy 4) 86690 - Legend of Zelda: LTTP 5) 82903 - Legend of Zelda: OOT # 6) 79257 - Super Mario World 7) 78387 - Sonic 2 8) 71697 - Chrono Trigger 9) 70520 - Super Metroid 10) 70294 - Final Fantasy 3/6 Top 10 Lowest Individual Votes 1) 4686 - Adventure 2) 8418 - Gunstar Heroes 3) 12256 - Pitfall 4) 12375 - Nights * 5) 13150 - Fallout 2 # 6) 13197 - Metal Gear * 7) 14144 - Phantasy Star 4 8) 14504 - Panzer Dragoon Saga * 9) 15401 - Suikoden 2 10) 18028 - The Simpsons Top 10 Most Impressive Losers (by votes) 1) 56258 - Halo # 2) 48444 - Duck Hunt 3) 44532 - Soul Calibur # 4) 42314 - Street Fighter 2 5) 37127 - Earthbound 6) 35930 - Perfect Dark 7) 35513 - Phantasy Star 8) 32288 - Half-Life # 9) 29381 - Pokemon G/S/C 10) 27130 - River City Ransom Top 10 Least Impressive Winners (by votes) 1) 40495 - Xenogears * 2) 40813 - Castlevania: SotN * 3) 41354 - Metroid Prime # 4) 43716 - Final Fantasy Tactics Advance # 5) 45620 - Kingdom Hearts # 6) 48587 - Donkey Kong 7) 49291 - Doom 8) 49837 - Metroid * 9) 52745 - Metal Gear Solid * 10) 54390 - Super Mario RPG Top 10 Least Impressive Winners without an Extra PotD (by votes) 1) 41354 - Metroid Prime # 2) 43716 - Final Fantasy Tactics Advance # 3) 45620 - Kingdom Hearts # 4) 48587 - Donkey Kong 5) 49291 - Doom 6) 54390 - Super Mario RPG 7) 55593 - Contra 8) 56544 - Legend of Zelda: WW # 9) 56631 - Starcraft # 10) 57674 - Pong Top 10 Easiest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner) 1) still, no data yet..... in three more matches!!!!!........... maybe.......... 2) 3) 4) 5) Top 10 Hardest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner) 1) no data yet...... hopefully soon......... please.......... 2) 3) 4) 5) * = shared PotD with GameRiot or ESPN or FFXI poll # = matches after the home-page layout change --- Current Score: 27/30 (through FFX vs Shenmue) ?????/????? with ???? other people A WINNER of Trivia 12 |
| From: charmander6000 | Posted: 5/2/2004 6:49:30 AM | Message Detail |
| LoZ:
OoT vs. Fallout 2 and Halo vs. Starcraft was before the site changed it
happened durning the Soul Calibur vs. Kingdom Hearts just before KH
took the lead --- LUE is a cancer, and if it can't be destroyed, it must be contained. - CjayC My Score 26/29 FFX vs. Shenmue |
| From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 5/2/2004 6:50:34 AM | Message Detail |
| Wow, FFX barely pulling 70% against Shenmue. That`s crazy. O_o To think I had it winning the division too. --- Nintendo® - The Beginning and the End Fight, Mega Man! For everlasting peace! |
| From: cyko | Posted: 5/2/2004 6:54:16 AM | Message Detail |
| LoZ: OoT vs. Fallout 2 and Halo vs. Starcraft was before the site changed it happened durning the Soul Calibur vs. Kingdom Hearts just before KH took the lead oops, you're right, Charmander. although the home page changed much earlier in the day before Kingdom Hearts took the lead. 70/30 against Shenmue??!! o_0 what the heck is going on? it's official. none of the matches in the 128-bit division make any sense. unless we all are seriously underestimating Shenmue, then things really don't look so good for FFX. i too, would have put Skies of Arcadia over Shenmue, probably with a prediction of 65/35. =/ my bracket silently weeps. ;_; you really think the new site layout layout lowered the votes that much? I don't see how it could, but there really isn't too much else it could be I suppose... well, the contest poll is placed much lower than it used to be on the home page, so casual site-goers who just come to this site to look up information on a game can easily look up the game they want without seeing the Best Game Ever poll. it's a lot easier to miss now. the proof is in the top ten lists. the past three matches are the three lowest vote totals we've had in matches that didn't have a sponsored Poll above them. even the exciting Soul Calibur vs. Kingdom Hearts match barely broke 90000 votes. it appears that we are losing about 20000 votes per match. --- Current Score: 27/30 (through FFX vs Shenmue) ?????/????? with ???? other people A WINNER of Trivia 12 |
| From: cyko | Posted: 5/2/2004 6:57:11 AM | Message Detail |
| although,
maybe Shenmue is just huge in Europe. FFX has just gone up 0.73
percentage points in the last 30 minutes from 70.21 to 70.94. that's a
pretty big jump for a half-hour. don't give up on FFX yet!! come on,
Square fanboys! --- Current Score: 27/30 (through FFX vs Shenmue) ?????/????? with ???? other people A WINNER of Trivia 12 |
| From: cyko | Posted: 5/2/2004 6:59:50 AM | Message Detail |
| i meant .73 percentage points in 45 minutes. and almost a full point in the past hour. >_> --- Current Score: 27/30 (through FFX vs Shenmue) ?????/????? with ???? other people A WINNER of Trivia 12 |
| From: steve illumina | Posted: 5/2/2004 7:00:17 AM | Message Detail |
| Well here we go kiddies :) Time for... Steve Illumina Speaks Thats right, the infamous yet humorous commentary is back, to go with all the rest of us here in this, the greatest of threads, the most worthy of postings on this fanboy dominated board. And so it continues, with the countdown to the end of Round 1 starting now in the "Modern Era" Division. Match XXXI (7)GTA Vice City vs (10)Star Wars KOTOR Steve's Prediction: Vice by 60% Steve's Bracket: Vice Newbie's Pick: Take a wild guess Upset Chances: So-so, slightly realistic... Comments: Here we got a solid matchup between the violence poster child and the pride of George Lucas. I am tired and busy so I shall keep this one short. Ya got GTA...beloved by millions of trigger happy kiddies who bought it on PS2, then rebought it on the Box and PS2 as part of the Double Pack. Lock, stock, and barrel...the GTA bandwagon when it was fresh back in 2002 was at a fever pitch. Every kiddie who could press the X button wanted this game...and most of them got it. And they loved it... Star Wars on the other hand, is another gem, but it is not owned by many kiddies, despite being the Box's finest game yet. Sure the RPG heads and PC voters will support it even though its on the Box, and that is hard for them to swallow...but GTA to them is the enemy...everything Anti-RPG...and it is a threat that must be squashed. Too bad it wont happen today... Probable Results: Vice is Nice, and it will win nicely, by around 60%...will be a decent match. Steve's Moments: Vice: The radio stations were cool in themselves. Star Wars: Victim of bad seeding...oh well. --- SCK24: 28/32 Trivia XIII: Diehards Forever Steve Illumina: Standing tall against fanboys for over 20 years |
| From: steve illumina | Posted: 5/2/2004 7:02:32 AM | Message Detail |
| Top 10 Least Popular Polls without an Extra PotD (by vote totals) 1) 65875 - Final Fantasy Tactics Advance vs. Fire Emblem # I called this one..I knew this snorefest of a match would draw really low vote totals... Thanks for keepin these updates goin cyko! --- SCK24: 28/32 Trivia XIII: Diehards Forever Steve Illumina: Standing tall against fanboys for over 20 years |
| From: Fett0001 | Posted: 5/2/2004 8:11:51 AM | Message Detail |
| I know some people are skeptical about anti-votes, but is it possible that FFX is suffering from them? As I'd never really heard anything about Shenmue, I'd have no reason to anti-vote it. However, I could understand people hating FF enough to vote for something they've barely heard of. I still don't imagine that factor? would be enough to defeat WW, but it might help to explain the score. |
| From: Heroic Tails | Posted: 5/2/2004 8:16:00 AM | Message Detail |
| So
who's looking forward to an all-Zelda final 4 now? I wouldn't mind to
see it happen. Except that my bracket is screwed, considering the only
Zelda I have in the Final 4 is the least likely to get there... --- Sign my petition! http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=7&topic=13754679 |
| From: Mac Arrowny | Posted: 5/2/2004 9:50:28 AM | Message Detail |
| Well, although I don't have exact sales data, I can tell you a few things. 1. Skies of Arcadia Legend is not one of the top 50 games on the Gamecube, and sold less than 158,000 copies in the US. 2. Shenmue 2 is not one of the top 50 games on the Xbox, and sold less than 227,000 copies in the US. 3. Shenmue is the third best-selling game on the DC, and sold 459,000 copies in the US. 4. Skies of Arcadia is not one of the top 50 Japanese DC games, and sold less than 61,000 copies in Japan. So, it would seem to me that purely from the DC numbers, Shenmue was a far more successful game, and the GC/Xbox numbers tell us that SoAL and Shenmue 2 each did pathetically. The only question is how many copies SoA sold on the DC in the States, which I would guess would not be very many, as RPGs usually do better in Japan than in the States. |
| From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 5/2/2004 9:52:19 AM | Message Detail |
| I`d be shocked if LoZ were to beat SMB3, so really I`m not seeing an all Zelda final four. --- Nintendo® - The Beginning and the End Fight, Mega Man! For everlasting peace! |
| From: SlangEdter41 | Posted: 5/2/2004 10:03:14 AM | Message Detail |
| Thats
where I disagree. LoZ is has the best chance to win it's division out
of any game remaining in the bracket. We'll probably see at least 2
Zeldas in final 4 though. --- Contest Score: 29-0 Next Pick : FFX |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 5/2/2004 10:32:03 AM | Message Detail |
| All
this shock over Shenmue's performance? What did I tell you yesterday?
Hmm? What did I say? I said Shenmue would do about as well as SoA,
right? Considering the level most people consider Shenmue to be at this
is obviously impressive to some, but it should have been expected. It
was said, after all, that there really was no chance for any big
blowouts in this division, and I deffinately agreed with that. Shenmue
can still lose a little more ground, but if it got 30% the night vote
it could also gain some back. Oh, and stop counting out Zelda for the 8bit division. Even I have Mario 3 as my pick, but I know that it isn't a lock in any way. Adventure may have been the most pathetic opponent ever, but its low score shows that most of the voters like Zelda in some capacity, and only an extremely small ammount could hate it. I imagine the original Zelda even has less hate than OoT or WW (though also less die-hards, of course). Never count out Zelda, especially since SC2k3 knowledge shows a huge gap between Mario and Link. Obviously it's not 100% reliable here, but with such a stunningly large margin between the two it's clear that if Mario 3 isn't universally considered the better game it has nothing left to win with (and I personally don't think it is the better game). --- ChichiriMuyo is officially the Discussion Guru Encyclopedia - UltimaterializerX And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow |
| From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 5/2/2004 10:35:31 AM | Message Detail |
| I`d
be fairly angered at the sight of LoZ taking down SMB3, could this be
because its my favorite game? Maybe so. I mean to believe that bias
toward that particular series is this high here would be astounding, I
usually don`t care about what game beats another but SMB3? Again, I`d
be shocked if LoZ were to win the match. Sure it`ll be close, but a win
for LoZ would just be... >_> And I should`ve listened to you yesterday Chichiri, I had my original prediction at 77% and after hearing your comment it made me want to change it back from 85% to 77%. =P --- Nintendo® - The Beginning and the End Fight, Mega Man! For everlasting peace! |
| From: Tarrot | Posted: 5/2/2004 10:39:43 AM | Message Detail |
| I posted a big analysis around 50 posts back or so. Basically, in the 8-bit division, most people are voting on name value alone. Here, people have played the games, and thus are voting based on game quality as opposed to name. All the results in the 128 bracket are just so skewed cause of the results of the 8-bit round, this is fairly logical actually. |
| From: FFantasyFX | Posted: 5/2/2004 1:24:22 PM | Message Detail |
| More Sales Figure Stuff: According to Mac Arrowny, Shenmue sold about 450,000 units in North America. I can vouch for the fact that the Dreamcast Skies of Arcadia only sold 100,000, making Shenmue, surprisingly, the game with more market penetration. Shenmue 2 for the XBox utterly bombed. I don't have exact sales figures, but if I remember correctly, the game sold 20,000 - 25,000 copies. Last I heard, the Skies remake for Gamecube sold about 80,000 copies, although it's being re-released for $20.00 and probably should charge above the 100,000 mark in a couple of months. Tarrott: I agree wholeheartedly with your earlier analysis. In fact, I would speculate that if we had a contest like this back in 1990, the results for the 8-bit division would be surprisingly similar. The big problem with this division is that we are in the middle of this era right now. Critical opinion hasn't completely gelled, most of the populace has had actual playing time with the cult classics, we haven't put a nostalgiac gloss over the favorites yet, etc. If this contest is held again ten years from now, the results in Division 128 would become more well-defined. Of course, Divison 512 will be a complete toss-up. ;-) |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 5/2/2004 1:36:11 PM | Message Detail |
| SMB3
and FF7 are the only games with any shot at stopping an all-Zelda Final
4 from what we've seen so far. There could be SSBM too, but I'm only
going to consider that if it doubles MGS2, or comes close to. I thought of something... an all-Zelda Final 4 would seriously screw over analysis for next year. I mean, it's pretty easy to figure SFF striking hard in both semifinals, in favor of LttP and OoT. Now, the actual match between the two could be interesting. LttP could never win against OoT in an indirect comparison, but in a direct encounter, I could see LttP getting some SFF votes. Perhaps not enough to win, but there are many OoT detractors in the LttP fanbase, while those who like OoT generally like LttP as well. CIVIL WAR!!! That's some major disappointments we've seen from the PS2 camp so far. KH, now FF10... things could go really bad for VC and MGS2 against SSBM if this keeps up. Unless it's just a coincidence... because GameCube winning the war on GameFAQs just sounds so wrong. VC/KOTOR preview coming up. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 024/029 --- Matches: 24/29 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: FF10 |
| From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 5/2/2004 1:37:40 PM | Message Detail |
| because GameCube winning the war on GameFAQs just sounds so wrong. I kind of like it, it has a ring to it. ;) --- Nintendo® - The Beginning and the End Fight, Mega Man! For everlasting peace! |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 5/2/2004 1:41:39 PM | Message Detail |
| " There could be SSBM too, but I'm only going to consider that if it doubles MGS2, or comes close to." I think it will, actually. --- ChichiriMuyo is officially the Discussion Guru Encyclopedia - UltimaterializerX And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow |
| From: Ngamer64 | Posted: 5/2/2004 1:55:04 PM | Message Detail |
| creative and solar:
Since this topic is about to fill up (boy, this one went fast), would
you mind uploading my copies of the previous 2 into the sp2k4 archives,
creative? Both are available in my Archives at the moment. And then
solar, if you could make the links from the new topic point to them
when you create it. They should be at http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats1.htm and 2 once they're put up there. In other news, as much as I would like to see an All-Zelda final, I still don't see it quite happening. The 8-bit division went almost entirely by franchise name, true, but I think that was the case mainly because a large % of the voters had never played the opposing game. As we get further along into matchups where most have actually played both games (Pong/Tetris, and most importantly Mario 3/Zelda 1), the winner is going to start becoming what people feel to be the actual better game, rather than simply the one they've heard of. So... go Zelda! Except when you meet Mario 3. And, just for the sake of my bracket, Chrono Trigger. --- the-elite.net Guru Rankings: geocities.com/cyber1166/gamefaqs/ContestGurus.xls The Contest Archives: http://geocities.com/cyber1166/gamefaqs |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 5/2/2004 1:56:36 PM | Message Detail |
| I
have realized the true reason why our vote totals are so low. No one
gives a flying **** about half of these games. I`m not sure the Spring
matters all that much. I mean, look at Starcraft/Halo. It happened on a
Monday night, yet it was our most popular poll of the contest. And yes, FFX is in for a world of problems against SSBM. My shot at a 191 point bracket is looking good. --- Boards Hunted: 4098 I would like to take this moment to politely and sincerely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 5/2/2004 2:47:49 PM | Message Detail |
| NOOOOOOOO,
my stupid brother closed the window when I was almost done (I HATE
HIM), so instead of writing everything again, I'll just do what I did
for Soul Calibur/KH and do a quickie. Sales: Vice City - over anything in this generation but the Sims. Franchises: Vice City - Star Wars mostly made its splash in other forms of entertainment, not video games. GameFAQs Status: Vice City - wins everywhere but the number of topics. Board Odds Project: Vice City - you know the link, go check for yourselves. Summer Contests / Polls of the Day: Vice City - only GotY polls are noteworthy; Vice City came within 100 votes of beating Prime, while KOTOR lost badly to WW and FFX-2. Intangibles: KOTOR - loads of bad press for VC may hurt it more than Star Wars haters, and KOTOR is hailed as the best game on X-Box so far (it also dominated the FAQ searches for weeks despite being on X-Box). Vice City should win, though not in a blowout - wait, we never know, this IS Division 128 we're talking about, and it's been more hellish so far than we ever expected. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 024/029 --- Matches: 24/29 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: FF10 |
| From: Psi Tae | Posted: 5/2/2004 2:53:58 PM | Message Detail |
| Vice City is likely to pwn. Dirtbags who like child porn should burn in hell. --- Nerd is no longer a four letter word. Now it's a six-figure word. |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 5/2/2004 3:01:05 PM | Message Detail |
| "No one gives a flying **** about half of these games" I concur. I eagerly await our return to the non-128 games. --- ChichiriMuyo is officially the Discussion Guru Encyclopedia - UltimaterializerX And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow |
| From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 5/2/2004 3:03:31 PM | Message Detail |
| I`m looking forward to getting out of this division as well. --- Nintendo® - The Beginning and the End Fight, Mega Man! For everlasting peace! |
| From: Phediuk | Posted: 5/2/2004 4:10:34 PM | Message Detail |
| Match #29 Review: *yawn* What an incredibly boring match. Absolutely no surprises here. Match #31 Preview: Vice City should take it without much difficulty... --- "Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle." -Toad in Super Mario Bros. |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 5/2/2004 4:17:53 PM | Message Detail |
| "No one gives a flying **** about half of these games" I concur. I eagerly await our return to the non-128 games. >>>>>>>>XD --- Boards Hunted: 4098 I would like to take this moment to politely and sincerely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf |
| From: DomaDragoon | Posted: 5/2/2004 4:18:17 PM | Message Detail |
| Franchises: Vice City - Star Wars mostly made its splash in other forms of entertainment, not video games. I very much disagree. The original vector-graphics Star Wars arcade game was a decent draw for its time. Rogue Squadron was a killer app for the N64. Likewise, Rogue Leader for the Gamecube. Jedi Knight was voted "Best game ever" by PC Gamer, and two years later finished second in the their top games list, only behind Half-Life. X-Wing and TIE Fighter are still two of the better space sims. The Clone Wars is a pack-in game with the XBox. I think that that's enough to overcome the GTA franchise... for now. --- Smart Ask! National Champion (2003) www.rpgdl.com |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 5/2/2004 4:18:32 PM | Message Detail |
| And he QUOTED ARTANIS. I CAN DIE IN PEACE! Ahem. --- Boards Hunted: 4098 I would like to take this moment to politely and sincerely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 5/2/2004 4:24:59 PM | Message Detail |
| Yes, Doma, and after all that Star Wars is STILL mostly known for it's non-game incarnations. Funny, isn't it? Ulti, I love the non-128 portions of this contest :) --- ChichiriMuyo is officially the Discussion Guru Encyclopedia - UltimaterializerX And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 5/2/2004 4:28:01 PM | Message Detail |
| I
wasn`t referring to divisions with my post. I was referring to the fact
that the first and second round matches of this contest are, for the
mosr part, total jokes. I just thought your post was funny because the
division that has given us the best matches was just *****-smacked.
That was classic. --- Boards Hunted: 4098 I would like to take this moment to politely and sincerely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 5/2/2004 4:29:08 PM | Message Detail |
| Speaking of you, is your AIM still on the fritz? I haven`t seen you on in forever. --- Boards Hunted: 4098 I would like to take this moment to politely and sincerely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf |
| From: SlangEdter41 | Posted: 5/2/2004 4:31:26 PM | Message Detail |
| I wonder how many copies of that Shenmue sales figure were bargain deals. I know I got my copy for $10 new. --- Contest Score: 29-0 Next Pick : FFX |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 5/2/2004 4:59:13 PM | Message Detail |
| These matches are boring to me because a. They havent gone to any real extremes since SC vs KH, and those were only exteremly close matches, I stil llike to see the occasional extreme blowout too. b. Most of the games still don't strike me as being part of the "immortals". Mario 3 will never be forgotten, but who will think abuot the likes of KoTOR come 10 years from now? KoTOR is big now, but like all other Star Wars games it'll be mostly forgotten some day. Something that you hear about on occasion and go "oh yeah, that was awesome!", and then not think about again for a few more years. Melee, Halo (maybe), VC, MGS2 (which isn't even being treated like a potential legend), Starcraft, and Half-Life have potential. The rest are either great games in great series that don't stand out head and shoulders above their prequels or they are games bound to be mostly forgotten by time. There are fewer games in the remaining 3 divisions combined that feel "forgettable" and there are of course more standout games in every division individually than this one. FFX got its place by being the only FF in this generation. It's not a 6 or 7, and it didn't start it all like the original. It's just another FF and by the time we hit 15 it will be mostly forgotten while 6 and 7 will still be the shining examples of the series. Same is to be said about WW as it doesn't stand out like LttP and OoT, though the series is a bit shorter. WW, however, has enough originality for it to stick out better in its series than 10 does with the FF game, no matter how long the series is. --- ChichiriMuyo is officially the Discussion Guru Encyclopedia - UltimaterializerX And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 5/2/2004 5:03:48 PM | Message Detail |
| by "only FF game" I meant that FF10 is the only REAL FF of this generation. 11, 10-2, and CC aren't real FF games. --- ChichiriMuyo is officially the Discussion Guru Encyclopedia - UltimaterializerX And I'm 23/24 myself. My loss was all part of Alucard's plan. - BigCow |
| From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 5/2/2004 5:04:50 PM | Message Detail |
| I`d agree to most of that. --- Nintendo® - The Beginning and the End Fight, Mega Man! For everlasting peace! |
| From: solarshadow | Posted: 5/2/2004 5:24:03 PM | Message Detail |
| Part 4 - http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=8&topic=13901848 :) --- Contest Stats: http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com |
| From: DomaDragoon | Posted: 5/2/2004 5:27:46 PM | Message Detail |
| Then let's finish this topic with a simple question: What, right now, is your expected division championship match? Personally, I still cling to the vague hope of my bracket's SC/KotOR choice. --- Smart Ask! National Champion (2003) www.rpgdl.com |
| From: Z1mZum | Posted: 5/2/2004 5:31:09 PM | Message Detail |
| Wind Waker vs. SSBM is mine. Hopefully that'll come true.. --- Mega Man in the Summer Contest '04? You better believe it! |
| From: SlangEdter41 | Posted: 5/2/2004 5:32:14 PM | Message Detail |
| ^ Either that or WW vs FFX --- Contest Score: 29-0 Next Pick : FFX |
| From: Fett0001 | Posted: 5/2/2004 5:32:41 PM | Message Detail |
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