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| From: solarshadow | Posted: 4/25/2004 7:27:06 PM | Message Detail |
| You guys know the drill. :) Stats websites: Summer 2002 Contest: http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com Summer 2003 Contest: http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/2003/index.html Spring 2004 Contest: (not currently updating) http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/index.html Stats topics: Summer 2002 Contest: http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html Summer 2003 Contest: http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note) 2003-2004 Off-Season: http://membres.lycos.fr/shindohikaru/stats1.htm (See note) Note: Don't use the links in the topic to browse through the pages, change the page number in the URL. Spring 2004 Pre-Season: http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason1.htm http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason2.htm http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason3.htm Spring 2004 Contest: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=8&topic=13673121 (Until purge) Oracle Standings: http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/oracle.html |
| From: creativename | Posted: 4/25/2004 7:32:30 PM | Message Detail |
| I'm
surprised to see Fallout 2 is more obscure than I thought. Still, it
can't possibly be nearly as obscure to the voters as NiGHTs,Gunstar
Heroes or Adventure. ...right? --- Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4! SC2K4.com |
| From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 4/25/2004 7:33:18 PM | Message Detail |
| Time to transfer the posts over from the other topic: I was talking about Red, Blue, and Green, which are all the same. 10 million in North America, 8 million in Japan. Add in Pokemon Yellow to get another 2 million in Japan and 5 million in North America, for a grand total of 25 million copies. If you wanted, you could add in the remakes for another few million copies, but that wouldn't be fair, would it? You pretty much confirmed why it isn`t higher. You cannot combine multiple games in a series like that, it doesn`t matter if they are the same game just released in a different cartridge, because they were they didn`t seel the 25 million you claim. They sold about 8 million each (R/B) that`s why they are on there at the same spot, they both sold virtually the same amount of copies, they weren`t being combined. If you wanted to combine sales of Pokemon in comparison to, oh say the Mario series you`d be messing with over 170 million copies total and that`s just counting the more major Mario titles. If you want more proof that the chart is incorrect, look at the sales for Mario Kart 64. 6.5 million for Japan and North America alone, and it was almost certainly a fantastic seller in Europe, yet it is nowhere to be found on the top 20. I have no idea who made that chart, but it is quite incorrect. Well, I checked the link and from what I saw it had SM64 had a measely 6 million copies when it was confirmed (by more than just the list I gave) to be 11 million copies. So, as for Mario Kart 64 selling 6.5 million copies I`m not so sure it sold that many. That site might say it did but at the same time it has SM64 at 6 million and at the number two spot when it was clearly the best selling N64 game. You could be right about that, although I have a hard time believing that the two games didn't sell more than 600,000 combined in Europe. Oh well, doesn't matter, we don't have European data anyway. I think they would`ve sold more in Europe too, considering Pokemon was considered a worldwide phenomenon. Though it might`ve sold lesser than the other two continents, some series just don`t do well in others (Metroid in Japan for example) but I`d agree as far as having a hard time believing that they sold less than 600,000 copies. You would be right, but you made a couple of mistakes. First, the chart gives 7.6 million for SM64, not 6 million. Secondly, the chart only has American and Japanese sales. There are no European sales, nor are there sales from anywhere else in the world. All that the chart gives are at leasts, nothing else. It's very likely that SM64 sold very well everywhere in the world, considering that throughout the whole life of the N64, it was a system seller. Ah, yeah, I was basing it off of a rough estimate of the 5 and 1 numbers. I also completely forgot about Europe, so yeah I could see where the other 4 million (roughly) copies could fill the gap. By the way, I agree that adding remakes doesn't make sense, but Pokemon RGB are all extremely similar. Technically, the gold version of Ocarina of Time is different from the gray one, but they're still considered to be the same game, the same as Pokemon RGB. The differences between the versions of Pokemon RGB are minute. The differences may be small, but the fact they were packaged as two, or three if you count Green, games is reason enough not to combine the sales of all of the games. In a sense its like compiling the best selling of the Pokemon series into one and calling it the best selling game. It`d all go back to coming in seperate cartridges. --- Nintendo® - The Beginning and the End I know what you`re thinking...all this power, AND looks, too! - Bowser |
| From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 4/25/2004 7:34:27 PM | Message Detail |
| I
think Fallout 2 could fall near those two (NiGHTS and Gunstar Heroes)
but probably ranks at a higher popularity or level of being known than
them. I dunno, I always found Fallout 2 to be fodder but that comes
from me not knowing of it. >< --- Nintendo® - The Beginning and the End I know what you`re thinking...all this power, AND looks, too! - Bowser |
| From: DomaDragoon | Posted: 4/25/2004 7:43:15 PM | Message Detail |
| I'm
surprised to see Fallout 2 is more obscure than I thought. Still, it
can't possibly be nearly as obscure to the voters as NiGHTs,Gunstar
Heroes or Adventure. ...right? Well, I think that each of the "obscure" games got in for one special thing that they had. That let them rise to the top of their sections and take their place in the contest. NiGHTs is Sonic Team's most acclaimed work. It was on a system with few well-known games, so a casual voter with a predilection for filling every slot they could would take a game from the top 10 in FAQs and/or message boards. I'd presume that NiGHTs was in there. Adventure is the trivia lover's choice. The first easter egg. The beginning of the fissure in Atari's stranglehold that would eventually give us Activision. And it's one of the few Atari games that would actually need an FAQ. Gunstar Heroes... Treasure. The legendary designers have a cult-like effect on those who play their games. I'm stunned that GH was the one that got in over Radiant Silvergun, but that's just me. Now Fallout 2... um, there could be the Interplay problems, that made people look back at the good days of Fallout. But I'm not too certain that that was a factor. Fallout is a game that gets some press from the RPG:EE crowd, and combined they'd have enough sway to push a title into contention for a spot, but not completely into one. Really, for Fallout to make it on, I'd have to say that it's the LEAST obscure of the four. --- Smart Ask! National Champion (2003) www.rpgdl.com |
| From: Haste2 | Posted: 4/25/2004 7:45:31 PM | Message Detail |
| Well,
for the fun of it, I decided to use that recursive rankings formula of
mine to predict the outcomes of the Round 2 matches assuming all the
losers had the same strength. Okay, at first thought you'd think I'm
insane. However, there is a use to it. For example, Super Mario Bros. 3
would be expected to beat Metroid with 71.90% if Metal Gear and Pac-Man
had the exact same strength. Using this, you can say that if Metroid
has a chance at beating SMB3, Metal Gear would have to beat Pac-Man
with 71.90% if they could face each other. Also, since more losing
games will be ranked with each other as the rounds go by, this method
will be more useful in the later round, of course. There's only 1 or 2 matches that I think we can really apply this to in order to guess a winner any better than previously, but I'll post them all so far for interest's sake: Super Mario Bros. 3 vs. Metroid - 71.90% Contra vs. Final Fantasy - 84.15% Donkey Kong vs. The Legend of Zelda - 95.19% Pong vs. Tetris - 66.00% Chrono Trigger vs. Super Mario RPG - 76.45% Sonic the Hedgehog 2 vs. Super Mario World - 51.97% The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past vs. Super Metroid - 73.52% Doom vs. Final Fantasy VI - 68.97% Final Fantasy VII vs. Xenogears - 82.91% Final Fantasy Tactics vs. Metal Gear Solid - 59.86% Castlevania: Symphony of the Night vs. Goldeneye - 79.51% Okay, first of all, I'm now very, very confident MGS will beat FFT. In order for FFT to win next round, Resident Evil would have to receive less than 59.86% of the votes. That would never happen. Ever. As for SMB3 vs. Metroid, I'm confident that SMB3 will not attain 71.90%, as it's very doubtful that Metal Gear could beat Pac-Man. Yeah, so we can apply this to narrow down predicted percentages, too. I wish someone would've thought of this back in the Summer 2002 Contest, heh. --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| From: Haste2 | Posted: 4/25/2004 7:46:55 PM | Message Detail |
| Oh, right...I give creativename credit for the name "recursive rankings", even though I"m using my version of it. :P --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 4/25/2004 7:52:38 PM | Message Detail |
| Interesting stuff with the percentages, some of them look high, like you said, but good look at some of the matches. =) On another note, who thinks SM64 will stay about 85%? Its kind of fighting inbetween gaining some and losing some every so often. Right now its at 85.08%, I for one am hoping it stays above 85%. Though it is well off on my prediction what with me predicting 90.64%. --- Nintendo® - The Beginning and the End I know what you`re thinking...all this power, AND looks, too! - Bowser |
| From: solarshadow | Posted: 4/25/2004 7:53:23 PM | Message Detail |
| I'm
surprised to see Fallout 2 is more obscure than I thought. Still, it
can't possibly be nearly as obscure to the voters as NiGHTs,Gunstar
Heroes or Adventure. ...right? Personally, I think it would be difficult to make a distinction. --- Contest Stats: http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com |
| From: redline15 | Posted: 4/25/2004 8:26:44 PM | Message Detail |
| ...am i the only one that doesn't think of nights as "obscure"? i never thought it would beat mario 64...or even get close... but the saturn isn't obscure... and nights pretty much was the saturn... --- signature (n.): a random bit of gibberish that no one ever reads. |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 4/25/2004 9:14:19 PM | Message Detail |
| I
think Fallout 2 could fall near those two (NiGHTS and Gunstar Heroes)
but probably ranks at a higher popularity or level of being known than
them. I dunno, I always found Fallout 2 to be fodder but that comes
from me not knowing of it. >< Fallout 2 is not fodder. Trust me on this one. As I said, were this contest not on GameFAQs, there is no way that it would have that kind of seeding OR lose to OoT by an 80%+ margin. Jeez, I leave for a couple hours and you guys make 40+ posts of data with a few flames mixed in…meh, that’s what I get for actually *playing* video games for a while instead of discussing them ^_~ --- Engaged to MWIS 04/07/04 Current Sp2K4 Score: 21/22, Next Winner: Super Mario 64 |
| From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 4/25/2004 9:16:04 PM | Message Detail |
| Heh.
I guess I can`t be the judge considering I no zilch about it, I`m still
expecting a 90% victory. I won`t be surprised if it doesn`t reach 90,
but I still think it`ll manage. --- Nintendo® - The Beginning and the End I know what you`re thinking...all this power, AND looks, too! - Bowser |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 4/25/2004 9:22:39 PM | Message Detail |
| Oh,
and before someone like Tai decides to point out that "well gee,
smitelf, nothing you just said matters because this contest IS on
GameFAQs," I meant the comment as a comparison with the other weak
games being discussed. Adventure, Gunstar Heroes, NiGHTs...none of them
would have a chance in a contest on any big gaming site (unless it was
specifically an Atari or Sega site, respectively). Fallout 2, on the
other hand, is no lightweight in general. If this site had a higher
percentage of PC voters Fallout 2 would be on a trajectory for a 60/40
loss, not the 90/10 one projected by some here. The other games
mentioned as "fodder" would perform uniformly poorly on almost any site
not directly related to their consoles. If you think I'm wrong here, please, speak up. Well, at least in relation to the Sega games; I'll admit I never played many of them. I'm pretty sure I know where Fallout 2 stands in general, and its standing on GameFAQs is significantly lower. Still, low enough for OoT to pull a 90% victory? I'm skeptical. --- Engaged to MWIS 04/07/04 Current Sp2K4 Score: 21/22, Next Winner: Super Mario 64 |
| From: therealmnm | Posted: 4/25/2004 9:27:47 PM | Message Detail |
| I
played NiGHTS and was familiar with it. HOWEVER, I only played it once
and I had NO idea what I was doing. Flying around was pretty cool in
that weird world but I admit I didn't know what was going on. I just
picked it up while it was on at a friends house. I'm sure it was a good
game though as it was made by Sonic team. Contrary to popular opinion,
I LIKE the Sonic Adventure games. (I don't like Sonic Heroes as
much.... but that's a different story entirely.) --- "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't." |
| From: HaRRicH | Posted: 4/25/2004 9:32:35 PM | Message Detail |
| Still, it can't possibly be nearly as obscure to the voters as NiGHTs,Gunstar Heroes or Adventure. ...right? Personally, I have played Gunstar Heroes and enjoyed it. I have heard of NiGHTS. I have never heard of Adventure or the Fallout series before this contest. Take my information as your will. --- Serious Reminder: Nominate Earthworm Jim This Year Spring Contest Score: 20/22 |
| From: Phediuk | Posted: 4/25/2004 9:34:10 PM | Message Detail |
| Match #22 Review: No surprises here. Match #24 Preview: If OoT breaks 90%, then we can consider it a serious threat to FFVII. If not, then we'll just have to wait and see what happens. --- "Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle." -Toad in Super Mario Bros. |
| From: creativename | Posted: 4/25/2004 9:35:00 PM | Message Detail |
| DomaDragoon: Now Fallout 2... um, there could be the Interplay problems, that made people look back at the good days of Fallout. But I'm not too certain that that was a factor. Fallout is a game that gets some press from the RPG:EE crowd, and combined they'd have enough sway to push a title into contention for a spot, but not completely into one. Really, for Fallout to make it on, I'd have to say that it's the LEAST obscure of the four. I agree that simply by making it to the contest it's telling you it's more well-known these other three games, and why I said it couldn't possibly be as obscure. It's for the PC, so it'd have to have a significant cult following at this site to make it in above other PC games. That alone tells you it is not, in any way shape or form, a trivial opponent. (BTW, what's RPG:EE?) Haste2: Oh, right...I give creativename credit for the name "recursive rankings", even though I"m using my version of it. Others used them as well, independently :) solarshadow: I'm surprised to see Fallout 2 is more obscure than I thought. Still, it can't possibly be nearly as obscure to the voters as NiGHTs,Gunstar Heroes or Adventure. ...right? Personally, I think it would be difficult to make a distinction. Honestly, I think that Fallout 2 is vastly more well-known than those other games. I would be stunned, absolutely stunned, if Fallout 2 is as obscure as these other games. smitelf: If you think I'm wrong here, please, speak up. You're not wrong :) and its standing on GameFAQs is significantly lower. Still, low enough for OoT to pull a 90% victory? I'm skeptical. As am I. I get the feeling a lot of people don't realize just how impressive a 90% victory for Ocarina of Time against Fallout 2 would be. --- Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4! SC2K4.com |
| From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 4/25/2004 9:41:27 PM | Message Detail |
| Looks like SM64 dropped under 85%, geez and at first I thought my 90% prediction would hold up. --- Nintendo® - The Beginning and the End I know what you`re thinking...all this power, AND looks, too! - Bowser |
| From: octoinky | Posted: 4/25/2004 9:42:13 PM | Message Detail |
| quote:
"Well, for the fun of it, I decided to use that recursive rankings
formula of mine to predict the outcomes of the Round 2 matches assuming
all the losers had the same strength" < continues to list percentages > Whoa whoa, wait a minute. You cant just assume that the losers all have the same strength, but then make claims about all the winners and their different strenghts. Those numbers are meaningless. Let's take your assumption as true, and that the losers are the same strength. Fact: You're using results of the first round to predict the second round. For example, you claim that because game A got 83% in rd.1, it'll get 83% in rd.2 Well, if you assume that some jumbled games will get the same percentage in rd.2, what would change to stop that prediction from carrying over into rd.3? By your 'analysis,' that is a direct implication. So if you look at it in your little chart, the game with the highest percentage in the first round will win the tournament. Which is basically stating that the most offset match based on a flawed nomination system in the first round of a two month tournament will predict the winner. No. |
| From: creativename | Posted: 4/25/2004 11:20:33 PM | Message Detail |
| Whoa
whoa, wait a minute. You cant just assume that the losers all have the
same strength, but then make claims about all the winners and their
different strenghts. Those numbers are meaningless. Let's take your
assumption as true, and that the losers are the same strength You seem to not understand what he did. He was merely using a "what if" scenario and then analyzing the difference between the losing games. I've done that "this loser would have to get __% against the other loser in order for the two winners to be equal..." thing myself, very often; I've seen other people do that too. I like that better. But the principle is essentially the same. --- Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4! SC2K4.com |
| From: creativename | Posted: 4/26/2004 1:15:15 AM | Message Detail |
| The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 82.65% 3167 Fallout 2 17.35% 665 Hmmm... At this point it would be pretty shocking if Ocarina of Time can manage 89% by the end. I'd be kinda surprised if it got 86% actually. So far it looks like a lot of people did underestimate Fallout 2. Again, this was an very well-respected, well-known PC RPG. A lot of people will now put Final Fantasy VII as the clear favorite against Ocarina of Time, but while I do agree it should be favored unless Ocarina of Time's % goes up significantly, I don't think Ocarina of Time should be discounted completely. Fallout 2 is a very underseeded opponent. Suikoden II was underseed too, and I think Suikoden II is stronger at this site because it's a console game; so unless Ocarina of Time can get 85.63% the future doesn't look great for it. But it's still got a chance because of Fallout 2's strength. Who knows, maybe it is stronger than Suikoden II. Ocarina of Time vs. Mario 64 no longer looks like it will be total PWNage, though it still probably won't be a nailbiter or anything. BTW: I'd say Starcraft's chances of defeating Halo just went up. I was going to say earlier that if Fallout 2 could get 15% here, things look a lot better for Starcraft. Well, right now, it looks like it will manage 15%. --- Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4! SC2K4.com |
| From: cyko | Posted: 4/26/2004 4:33:16 AM | Message Detail |
Top 5 Biggest Blowouts (difference in percentage) 1) 90.40% - Legend of Zelda over Adventure 2) 82.30% - Legend of Zelda : LTTP over Gunstar Heroes 3) 75.28% - Final Fantasy over Pitfall 4) 71.26% - Final Fantasy 7 over Suikoden 2 5) 69.66% - Super Mario 64 over Nights * Top 5 Biggest Vote Gaps (difference in votes) 1) 88208 - Legend of Zelda over Adventure 2) 78272 - Legend of Zelda : LTTP over Gunstar Heroes 3) 76348 - Final Fantasy 7 over Suikoden 2 4) 74682 - Final Fantasy over Pitfall 5) 61229 - Super Mario World over The Simpsons Top 5 Closest Matches (difference in percentage) 1) 0.14% - Donkey Kong over Duck Hunt 2) 6.36% - Castlvania: SotN over Perfect Dark * 3) 12.48% - Super Mario RPG over Street Fighter 2 4) 14.08% - Doom over Earthbound 5) 15.90% - Xenogears over Pokemon G/S/C * Top 5 Smallest Vote Gaps (difference in votes) 1) 143 - Donkey Kong over Duck Hunt 2) 4883 - Castlvania: SotN over Perfect Dark * 3) 11114 - Xenogears over Pokemon G/S/C * 4) 12076 - Super Mario RPG over Street Fighter 2 5) 12164 - Doom over Earthbound Top 5 Most Popular Polls (by vote totals) 1) 107150 - Final Fantasy 7 vs. Suikoden 2 2) 99194 - Final Fantasy vs. Pitfall 3) 97580 - Legend of Zelda vs. Adventure 4) 97285 - Super Mario World vs. The Simpsons 5) 97126 - Sonic 2 vs. Shining Force Top 5 Least Popular Polls (by vote totals) 1) 69876 - Xenogears over Pokemon G/S/C * 2) 72743 - Metroid vs. Pac-Man * 3) 74556 - Super Mario Bros. 3 vs. Metal Gear * 4) 74688 - Metal Gear Solid vs. Resident Evil * 5) 75583 - Goldeneye 007 vs. Panzer Dragoon Saga * Top 5 Least Popular Polls without an Extra PotD (by vote totals) 1) 84501 - Tetris vs. Galaga 2) 84664 - Super Metroid vs. Phantasy Star 4 3) 84804 - Pong vs. River City Ransom 4) 86418 - Earthbound vs. Doom 5) 90307 - Chrono Trigger vs. Secret of Mana Top 5 Highest Individual Votes 1) 92894 - Legend of Zelda 2) 91749 - Final Fantasy 7 3) 86938 - Final Fantasy 4) 86690 - Legend of Zelda: LTTP 5) 79257 - Super Mario World Top 5 Lowest Individual Votes 1) 4686 - Adventure 2) 8418 - Gunstar Heroes 3) 12256 - Pitfall 4) 12375 - Nights * 5) 13197 - Metal Gear * Top 5 Most Impressive Losers (by votes) 1) 48444 - Duck Hunt 2) 42314 - Street Fighter 2 3) 37127 - Earthbound 4) 35930 - Pefect Dark * 5) 35513 - Phantasy Star Top 5 Least Impressive Winners (by votes) 1) 40495 - Xenogears * 2) 40813 - Castlevania: SotN * 3) 48587 - Donkey Kong 4) 49291 - Doom 5) 49837 - Metroid * Top 5 Least Impressive Winners without an Extra PotD (by votes) 1) 48587 - Donkey Kong 2) 49291 - Doom 3) 54390 - Super Mario RPG 4) 55593 - Contra 5) 57674 - Pong Top 5 Easiest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner) 1) still, no data yet..... ever......... 2) 3) 4) 5) Top 5 Hardest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner) 1) no data yet...... hopefully soon......... please.......... 2) 3) 4) 5) * = shared PotD with GameRiot or ESPN or FFXI poll --- Current Score: 22/24 (through OOT vs Fallout 2) ?????/????? with ???? other people A WINNER of Trivia 12 |
| From: cyko | Posted: 4/26/2004 4:35:40 AM | Message Detail |
| Oh,
and before someone like Tai decides to point out that "well gee,
smitelf, nothing you just said matters because this contest IS on
GameFAQs," I meant the comment as a comparison with the other weak
games being discussed. Adventure, Gunstar Heroes, NiGHTs...none of them
would have a chance in a contest on any big gaming site (unless it was
specifically an Atari or Sega site, respectively). Fallout 2, on the
other hand, is no lightweight in general. If this site had a higher
percentage of PC voters Fallout 2 would be on a trajectory for a 60/40
loss, not the 90/10 one projected by some here. The other games
mentioned as "fodder" would perform uniformly poorly on almost any site
not directly related to their consoles. i can agree with that, smitelf. and now, Zelda: OOT isn't winning by quite as much as i thought right now. only 82.4%? does this mean we overestimated OOT? nah, it's still pretty evenly matched with FF7. i think we just definitely underestimated Fallout 2. it's not like Fallout will pull off an upset, but it's halfway-decent performance combined with Doom's victory shows that PC Gamers do carry some influence here. it does make Starcraft look that much stronger.................. --- Current Score: 22/24 (through OOT vs Fallout 2) ?????/????? with ???? other people A WINNER of Trivia 12 |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 4/26/2004 6:15:31 AM | Message Detail |
| I`m surprised the peasants haven`t yet rejoiced over us not having to share our poll with money-grubbing advertisers. In order for FFT to win next round, Resident Evil would have to receive less than 59.86% of the votes. That would never happen. Ever. Did you mean to say MGS instead of RE? If not, I don`t quite understand the post. --- Boards Hunted: 4098 I would like to take this moment to politely and sincerely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf |
| From: Heroic Tails | Posted: 4/26/2004 6:16:50 AM | Message Detail |
| He means that Resident Evil would have to get less than 59.whatever% against DDR, which would indeed never happen. --- Sign my petition! http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=7&topic=13754679 |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 4/26/2004 6:20:16 AM | Message Detail |
| Oh, I see now. Thanks ^_^ --- Boards Hunted: 4098 I would like to take this moment to politely and sincerely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf |
| From: Seadragon76 | Posted: 4/26/2004 6:22:54 AM | Message Detail |
| I
think that today's match is only an appetizer to what's coming tomorrow
with Halo/Starcraft. Also, I think some of you agree with me that
Adventure could beat Fallout 2. --- That sounds really boring, and anally retentive.-BEthStardust on why it's not worth it being a troll. |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 4/26/2004 6:23:36 AM | Message Detail |
| I don`t agree with that, and what`s coming tomorrow? --- Boards Hunted: 4098 I would like to take this moment to politely and sincerely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf |
| From: Heroic Tails | Posted: 4/26/2004 6:27:06 AM | Message Detail |
| Fallout 2 would have no trouble beating Adventure, but I'd expect a very low vote count due to I've never heard of either of these games factor. Fallout would still probably get the casual vote due to the picture. --- Sign my petition! http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=7&topic=13754679 |
| From: Seadragon76 | Posted: 4/26/2004 6:28:25 AM | Message Detail |
| I'm being a smartass, Ulti. Anyway, the Halo/Starcraft match has a lot of pride on the line on both sides. If Halo wins, it'll proved that it's not a fluke until it's second round match with the winner of the Soul Calibur/Kingdom Hearts match. If Starcraft wins, not only does it prove that it deserved a higher seed (At least a 10 seed), it'll also prove that Halo is a fluke game on a fluke system. --- That sounds really boring, and anally retentive.-BEthStardust on why it's not worth it not being a troll. |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 4/26/2004 6:30:07 AM | Message Detail |
| Ah. I`m too sleepy awake to notice sarcasm at the moment. And speaking of which, I`m going to bed. --- Boards Hunted: 4098 I would like to take this moment to politely and sincerely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf |
| From: Seadragon76 | Posted: 4/26/2004 6:32:19 AM | Message Detail |
| Goodnight, Ulti. Don't let the huge, oversized bedbugs that are going to buttsexorize you until the cows come home bite you. --- That sounds really boring, and anally retentive.-BEthStardust on why it's not worth it being a troll. |
| From: charmander6000 | Posted: 4/26/2004 6:35:02 AM | Message Detail |
| I've
been looking at the previous LoZ polls and it looks like LoZ doesn't
get the night votes, but it's lead starts to increase when the morning
voters wake up and continues to increase until near the end of the poll
which it slows down it's lead increase and may even start to lose a few
percent points so OoT may even break 85% near the end of the day --- LUE is a cancer, and if it can't be destroyed, it must be contained. - CjayC My Score 21/23 LoZ: OoT vs. Fallout II |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/26/2004 6:40:26 AM | Message Detail |
| Very well possible. I predicted slightly above 85% in the Oracle Challenge... it just might hold up. So now, if we want to compare these two, we could compare Suikoden 2 and Fallout 2. I personally couldn't decide in a match between the two, though I'd be tempted to go with Fallout. Any comments on that? --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 018/022 --- Matches: 18/22 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: SM64 |
| From: Seadragon76 | Posted: 4/26/2004 6:47:10 AM | Message Detail |
| I'd go with Suikoden II because that I have heard of that game and Fallout 2, IMO, doesn't seem like an interesting game. --- That sounds really boring, and anally retentive.-BEthStardust on why it's not worth it not being a troll. |
| From: charmander6000 | Posted: 4/26/2004 6:47:43 AM | Message Detail |
| If
I had to chose between Suikoden 2 and Fallout 2 that will be pretty
hard Suikoden 2 only sold a limited amount of copies, but Fallout 2 was
sold on Saturn and Suikoden was sold on Playstaion the casual voter
will go to Fallout 2 because it's picture looks cooler. I will probably
have to go with Fallout 2, but this match looked more like a Max vs.
Gordon match --- LUE is a cancer, and if it can't be destroyed, it must be contained. - CjayC My Score 21/23 LoZ: OoT vs. Fallout II |
| From: steve illumina | Posted: 4/26/2004 7:17:47 AM | Message Detail |
| Well here we go kiddies :) Time for... Steve Illumina Speaks Thats right, the infamous yet humorous commentary is back, to go with all the rest of us here in this, the greatest of threads, the most worthy of postings on this fanboy dominated board. And so it continues, with the highest anticipated 1vs 16 matchup in website history, commencing the "Modern Era" Division Match XXV (1)Halo vs (16)StarCraft Steve's Prediction: Halo by 55% Steve's Bracket: Halo Newbie's Pick: The one they played at Media Play or EB Games Upset Chances: Some say hell yah! Some say no freakin way! I say...no but it will not roll over either! Comments: Here we got a match that could change the face of GameFAQ's in a way not seen in 1st round history. A match where a 16 seed has a real shot at winning...where it is not cannon fodder for the salivating #1 seed to chomp on and spit the bones out of. A match where the flames of fanboys shall be fanned... Halo...Combat Evolved they say. Evolved from what? Duck Hunt? Wild Gunman maybe? Noah's Ark on NES? I suppose it could be all three in the evolutionary scale that is gaming...where a game like Halo has an ancestry with duds like those! But I digress... No launch title has helped to sell systems like Halo has since the days of Mario 64. This title STILL sells systems, price cuts not withstanding. Anybody, including me, who is proud to stand in the face of the clueless fanboy flames and declare they own an Xbox, will also own a shiny copy of Halo. And I do. And like all the other millions of Halo owners, I like it. A lot. Its a great solid game with a very much coveted sequel. Only FFXII is more anticipated in the world of gaming right now... "Wait! Stop! What about us?" cry out the hordes on Battle.net, referring only to StarCraft, their beacon of the RTS world. There have been better and newer RTS games, such as Age of Empires...and plenty of duds like Empire Earth...and legends like Warcraft II...but the fact this 7 yr old game outshines them all and made this tourney is a fact that must be respected. StarCraft is a sparkling gem of a game, not to be blown off here. It has the loyalists of the PC community, who view the PC like (to a degree) Xbox as a threat to their fanbase. Its $150 processors and graphical power rivals their world of multi thousand dollar custom built machines, and its getting Halo 2 whereas they are not getting it... So there is Anti-Gatesism sentiment there. So how will this match go? Lets all forget about the fanboylike posts of the clueless for a moment, and instead be enlightened by the intelligence that exists. Fellow Elite, Ulti, posted an excellent thread supporting StarCraft, but to summarize it...that game will draw votes from the PC diehards, RTS fans, anti-Xbox voters, and the 10-15 voters who still play the game on the N64 port! A strong alliance this is. I however throw my support to Halo...for it has ALL of the Xbox Nation behind it, as well as casuals. StarCraft has been around longer...but anyone who dont play PC games may not have heard of it even after 7 yrs, or heard of it but know nothing about it. Halo has been around for 3+ yrs, but still has advertising behind it, and the roving tourneys at shopping malls across the land draw crowds. Heck, I even played in one here in Harrisburg, PA! Not that I won or nuttin...lol Probable Results: This match will be close all day and will spawn more flames than an Iraqi oil well fire. But Halo shall evolve, and StarCraft will fall...but not by much! A few thousand votes at most. Steve's Moments: Halo: Lost in Round 2 to a guy named Ziggy at the mall tournament I played in last month! For shame! StarCraft: Viva la Battle.net! Though I aint been there since '98! --- SC2K4: 21/24! Read my Satirical Contest Commentary! Steve Illumina: Standing tall against fanboys for over 20 years |
| From: DomaDragoon | Posted: 4/26/2004 7:43:16 AM | Message Detail |
| (BTW, what's RPG:EE?) The RPG: Everything Else board here at GameFAQs. If I had to chose between Suikoden 2 and Fallout 2 that will be pretty hard Suikoden 2 only sold a limited amount of copies, but Fallout 2 was sold on Saturn and Suikoden was sold on Playstaion the casual voter will go to Fallout 2 because it's picture looks cooler. I will probably have to go with Fallout 2, but this match looked more like a Max vs. Gordon match Huh? Fallout 2 was released for PC. Suiko 2 still drives a high price on EBay. And this is NOT a Max vs. Gordon matchup, especially on GameFAQs. --- Smart Ask! National Champion (2003) www.rpgdl.com |
| From: charmander6000 | Posted: 4/26/2004 7:49:20 AM | Message Detail |
| sorry I must have been thinking about NiGHTS --- LUE is a cancer, and if it can't be destroyed, it must be contained. - CjayC My Score 21/23 LoZ: OoT vs. Fallout II |
| From: Zaphod H | Posted: 4/26/2004 8:53:46 AM | Message Detail |
| From
what I note of the vote totals you guys have probably confirmed long
ago that the extra PotD eats up votes from the contest poll (around a
20000 vote decrease or so). Since we have no idea when an extra PotD will surface, are there any matches where a game will actually benefit from having the extra PotD? Just curious, 'cause I was thinking whether SC will benefit or not if there was an extra PotD against Halo. --- Supporting Super Smash Brothers Melee for the 2004 Spring Contest going ALL THE WAY. It's tankalicous, like DK. |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 4/26/2004 8:56:53 AM | Message Detail |
| You
have Soul Calibur beating KH? I like SC better, but even I recognize
that its chances of beating KH are far too small. Anyway, it can only
help one side is by for some odd reason the fans of one game are not
aware of the match while fans of the other are. Basically you'd have to
have a lot of dumb Halo fans and intelligent SC fans (asumming it beat
KH) and I just don't think it's spread like that. I may not like Halo,
but I don't assume its fans are especially dumb. --- If all Christians acted like Christ, the whole world would be Christian. - Gandhi I like the 'CastlevaniaPOWNEDPerfectDark' Weapon! - SeikenDensetsuIII |
| From: Zaphod H | Posted: 4/26/2004 9:00:51 AM | Message Detail |
| Oops, I forgot Soul Calibur and Starcraft has the same "abbreviation"... I was referring to Starcaft. =P --- Supporting Super Smash Brothers Melee for the 2004 Spring Contest going ALL THE WAY. It's tankalicous, like DK. |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 4/26/2004 9:21:30 AM | Message Detail |
| Ahhh,
okay, makes more sense. I never really tihnk of StarCraft when someone
says SC because I was never really a fan. Anyway, I don't think a PotD
would help any unless, as I said, by some impossible chance Halo fans
are especially dumb. If Halo doesn't win a PotD won't really have
anything to do with it. --- If all Christians acted like Christ, the whole world would be Christian. - Gandhi I like the 'CastlevaniaPOWNEDPerfectDark' Weapon! - SeikenDensetsuIII |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 4/26/2004 11:28:58 AM | Message Detail |
| Anybody,
including me, who is proud to stand in the face of the clueless fanboy
flames and declare they own an Xbox, will also own a shiny copy of Halo. Not anybody…<_< for I own an Xbox and have never owned Halo. It’s a decent rental, though. Its a great solid game with a very much coveted sequel. Only FFXII is more anticipated in the world of gaming right now... The last time I checked, that honor belonged to Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas. It has the loyalists of the PC community, who view the PC like (to a degree) Xbox as a threat to their fanbase. Uh…what? StarCraft has been around longer...but anyone who dont play PC games may not have heard of it even after 7 yrs, or heard of it but know nothing about it. As a PC gamer I can’t speak for the casuals on this match but could anyone who isn’t much of a PC gamer tell me Starcraft’s approximate name recognition standing? I was under the impression that it was right up there with Doom. Match Review: Super Mario 64 vs. NiGHTS into dreams... This is just another dull match. NiGHTS never stood a chance of beating SM64, and SM64 is never going to beat OoT. Yawn. Match Preview: Halo vs. Starcraft Ulti has said it all so I may as well shut up. Prediction: Starcraft 50.0001%, Halo 49.9999% --- Engaged to MWIS 04/07/04 Current Sp2K4 Score: 21/22, Next Winner: Super Mario 64 |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/26/2004 11:35:45 AM | Message Detail |
| The last time I checked, that honor belonged to Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas. Worldwide, maybe. But there was a PotD on that this weekend, and FF12 steamrolled over it. As I said back then, I wonder if we can extrapolate to a hypothetical FF10/VC match, but if we can, things are looking good for SSBM against VC. Ulti has said it all so I may as well shut up. You sure? I still managed to make a 2-post preview, all with original content of course. ;) --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 019/023 --- Matches: 19/23 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: OoT |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 4/26/2004 12:02:41 PM | Message Detail |
| Worldwide,
maybe. But there was a PotD on that this weekend, and FF12 steamrolled
over it. As I said back then, I wonder if we can extrapolate to a
hypothetical FF10/VC match, but if we can, things are looking good for
SSBM against VC. I meant that it beat Halo 2 for the #2 position, after FFXII. --- Engaged to MWIS 04/07/04 Current Sp2K4 Score: 21/22, Next Winner: Super Mario 64 |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/26/2004 12:04:48 PM | Message Detail |
| Ah-ha. I can't wait for tomorrow. I wish I was able to be up at 3 AM tonight to see the start of the poll... but since I woke up so dang late today, it's not bloody likely. I'll try though. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 019/023 --- Matches: 19/23 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: OoT |
| From: steve illumina | Posted: 4/26/2004 12:19:51 PM | Message Detail |
| smitelf:
Thanks for reading my prediction and marking it up :) Its all good
though! I like that! :) Thats what its all about here in the world of
Stats & Discussion... You got me on an error I made and I appreciate ya mentioning it. I honestly forgot about GTA San Andreas...and I would agree with ya that is more sought by the public than Halo 2. But Slowflake is right too, FFXII won the poll by far here, as expected. Should be a great one tomorrow...and I saw u picked Starcraft by 50.00001% :) --- SC2K4: 21/24! Read my Satirical Contest Commentary! Steve Illumina: Standing tall against fanboys for over 20 years |
| From: Starion | Posted: 4/26/2004 12:22:56 PM | Message Detail |
| Smitelf,
this is my perception only but I would place Starcraft slightly lower
than Doom on the recognizability factor. I would have felt differently
if it was Diablo though. --- Sp2004 Score:20/22 Today's Pick: Mario Nominate Death for the 2004 Character Contest |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 4/26/2004 12:35:46 PM | Message Detail |
| Smitelf,
this is my perception only but I would place Starcraft slightly lower
than Doom on the recognizability factor. I would have felt differently
if it was Diablo though. But is it enough of a difference to matter? Would you expect that the majority of casual gamers on this site have heard of Starcraft? Ugh. Diablo. He just had to mention Diablo. *pukes* --- Engaged to MWIS 04/07/04 Current Sp2K4 Score: 22/23, Next Winner: The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time |
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