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| From: Haste2 | Posted: 4/24/2004 8:06:54 AM | Message Detail |
| Meh,
I just think we underestimated Panzer Dragoon Saga, in that it was an
RPG. I don't think we'll ever see an RPG get anywhere near as low as
10% on this site (Suikoden II has done the worst so far). Gunstar
Heroes lost so badly because it wasn't an RPG. -_-; It appears that
Panzer Dragoon Saga is about as popular as Suikoden 2. o_O Hm, and I
almost forgot that the other Panzer Dragoon games probably helped PDS a
bit. Yeah, at this point, I think NiGHTS will get a (much) worse beating than PDS. Hm, my most anticipated match this round is still to come...no, it's not Halo vs. Starcraft. I hope that game destroys the other game... --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| From: DomaDragoon | Posted: 4/24/2004 8:18:20 AM | Message Detail |
| It appears that Panzer Dragoon Saga is about as popular as Suikoden 2. Because we all know that FF VII = Goldeneye. --- Smart Ask! National Champion (2003) www.rpgdl.com |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/24/2004 8:22:25 AM | Message Detail |
| *** COMPARISONS GAME - Match #23 - (7) SUPER MARIO 64 vs. (10) NIGHTS INTO DREAMS *** Sales Let's see here... *looks at sales chart* SM64 is the 6th best-selling game of all time with 11 million copies, and that's counting SMB1 and Tetris. NiGHTS... well, it was one of the bigger games on Saturn, but said Saturn failed miserably in America. What Steve said, in essence. - Advantage SM64. Franchises By Sonic Team... catch is, it's not Sonic. *does Kirby's SSBM taunt* - Advantage SM64 GameFAQs Status Number of FAQs: SM64 Number of reviews: SM64 Average review score: NiGHTS Board activity: Topics NiGHTS, posts SM64 Wow. Before yesterday I thought this would be a no contest, then I read somewhere that NiGHTS was the highest rated game in the contest in terms of reviews. Underdogs do seem to get a lot of love, but NiGHTS, highest rated in the tournament? Gimme a break here. Of course, favorites will get some hate as well to hinder them, by virtue of being the favorites: and the few that hate SM64 are merciless. Still, SM64 wins where it counts more, so it ends up edging out NiGHTS. - Advantage SM64. Board Odds Project PICKS (out of 102) Super Mario 64 - 100 NiGHTS Into Dreams - 2 POINT VALUE 24. Super Mario 64 - 106 53. NiGHTS Into Dreams - 2 Why would anyone pick NiGHTS is beyond me. The only game that may be weaker in that division is PDS. - Advantage SM64. Summer Contests / Polls of the Day We all know Mario is very popular here, though not as much as Zelda or Final Fantasy. Still, it's probably a decent third. And SM64 just happens to be not so far behind SMB3 as second favorite (it's still nearly tied with SMW though). What has NiGHTS got? C + U + L + T. - Advantage SM64. Intangibles As I said for SMW, Mario doesn't seem to pick up nearly as many anti-votes as it does in the summer. NiGHTS will pick up some votes from its cult fanbase, but it was not enough for Earthbound to even save face against Doom. Much less Super Mario 64. - Advantage SM64. Conclusion: There's only one good match left in the first round. And this is not it. Overpowered 7-seed against WTF-is-it-doing-there 10-seed... Sephiroth vs. Gabe Logan anyone? --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 017/021 --- Matches: 17/21 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: Goldeneye |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/24/2004 8:39:47 AM | Message Detail |
| Hey, take a look at the PotD. An upcoming FF is beating the crap out of an upcoming GTA. If SSBM can come anywhere close to FF10, VC has no chance to win in the second round, period. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 017/021 --- Matches: 17/21 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: Goldeneye |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 4/24/2004 8:45:46 AM | Message Detail |
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| From: Ringworm | Posted: 4/24/2004 8:46:01 AM | Message Detail |
| I
think the poll sponsorship might affect that. Not sure. I voted for
GTA:SA because of the sponsorship, but I probably would of anyway.
Maybe it'd make more people vote FFXII? --- Betting: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=8&topic=13763811 20/22 Next: SM64 |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 4/24/2004 8:47:43 AM | Message Detail |
| Hey, take a look at the PotD. There really needs to be a "none of the above" option in that PotD, as I couldn't give a damn about any of the games listed. An upcoming FF is beating the crap out of an upcoming GTA. If SSBM can come anywhere close to FF10, VC has no chance to win in the second round, period. I don't know if their matches are really comparable, though. I would think Shenmue < MGS 2 by a significant margin, and I have no clue where KOTOR stands. Not to mention that this is Final Fantasy we're talking about, which is not subject to any of the usual laws of gaming physics around here. --- Engaged to MWIS 04/07/04 Current Sp2K4 Score: 19/20, Next Winner: Castlevania: Symphony of the Night |
| From: Tequilla Gundam | Posted: 4/24/2004 8:49:48 AM | Message Detail |
| Vice City NOT beating SSBM would be an upset.. --- You know how many people lie in their sigs about their Spring Contest 2004 scores.It's easy.......see SpC2k4-21/21 points) |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 4/24/2004 8:51:33 AM | Message Detail |
| Vice City NOT beating SSBM would be an upset.. Considering the seeding and general feelings of the board, no. --- Engaged to MWIS 04/07/04 Current Sp2K4 Score: 19/20, Next Winner: Castlevania: Symphony of the Night |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 4/24/2004 10:15:56 AM | Message Detail |
| I'm
not sure why people are so surprised about PDS's performance. First, it
is an RPG. RPG will never get outright slaughtered. Second, among
people who have played it the game is considered the best RPG ever.
Third, sales don't matter much, the resell market on PDS is very high
and I'm sure rentals and friends don't help. 'Course that's not even
mentioning the import scene and the possible bootleg scene, neither of
which we could possibly track for a game like this. I said before if Goldeneye can't get much better than 80% on this match, that I would know it wasn't a 100% lock to beat Castlevania. PD fans tend to be GE fans, and while GE would win agaisnt PD who knows if it can actually get more votes than PD would. It'll be interesting to see. --- If all Christians acted like Christ, the whole world would be Christian. - Gandhi I like the 'CastlevaniaPOWNEDPerfectDark' Weapon! - SeikenDensetsuIII |
| From: cyko | Posted: 4/24/2004 10:48:59 AM | Message Detail |
Top 5 Biggest Blowouts (difference in percentage) 1) 90.40% - Legend of Zelda over Adventure 2) 82.30% - Legend of Zelda : LTTP over Gunstar Heroes 3) 75.28% - Final Fantasy over Pitfall 4) 71.26% - Final Fantasy 7 over Suikoden 2 5) 66.58% - Super Metroid over Phantasy Star 4 Top 5 Biggest Vote Gaps (difference in votes) 1) 88208 - Legend of Zelda over Adventure 2) 78272 - Legend of Zelda : LTTP over Gunstar Heroes 3) 76348 - Final Fantasy 7 over Suikoden 2 4) 74682 - Final Fantasy over Pitfall 5) 61229 - Super Mario World over The Simpsons Top 5 Closest Matches (difference in percentage) 1) 0.14% - Donkey Kong over Duck Hunt 2) 6.36% - Castlvania: SotN over Perfect Dark * 3) 12.48% - Super Mario RPG over Street Fighter 2 4) 14.08% - Doom over Earthbound 5) 15.90% - Xenogears over Pokemon G/S/C * Top 5 Smallest Vote Gaps (difference in votes) 1) 143 - Donkey Kong over Duck Hunt 2) 4883 - Castlvania: SotN over Perfect Dark * 3) 11114 - Xenogears over Pokemon G/S/C * 4) 12076 - Super Mario RPG over Street Fighter 2 5) 12164 - Doom over Earthbound Top 5 Most Popular Polls (by vote totals) 1) 107150 - Final Fantasy 7 vs. Suikoden 2 2) 99194 - Final Fantasy vs. Pitfall 3) 97580 - Legend of Zelda vs. Adventure 4) 97285 - Super Mario World vs. The Simpsons 5) 97126 - Sonic 2 vs. Shining Force Top 5 Least Popular Polls (by vote totals) 1) 69876 - Xenogears over Pokemon G/S/C * 2) 72743 - Metroid vs. Pac-Man * 3) 74556 - Super Mario Bros. 3 vs. Metal Gear * 4) 74688 - Metal Gear Solid vs. Resident Evil * 5) 76743 - Castlvania: SotN over Perfect Dark * Top 5 Least Popular Polls without an Extra PotD (by vote totals) 1) 84501 - Tetris vs. Galaga 2) 84664 - Super Metroid vs. Phantasy Star 4 3) 84804 - Pong vs. River City Ransom 4) 86418 - Earthbound vs. Doom 5) 90307 - Chrono Trigger vs. Secret of Mana Top 5 Highest Individual Votes 1) 92894 - Legend of Zelda 2) 91749 - Final Fantasy 7 3) 86938 - Final Fantasy 4) 86690 - Legend of Zelda: LTTP 5) 79257 - Super Mario World Top 5 Lowest Individual Votes 1) 4686 - Adventure 2) 8418 - Gunstar Heroes 3) 12256 - Pitfall 4) 13197 - Metal Gear * 5) 14144 - Phantasy Star 4 Top 5 Most Impressive Losers (by votes) 1) 48444 - Duck Hunt 2) 42314 - Street Fighter 2 3) 37127 - Earthbound 4) 35930 - Pefect Dark * 5) 35513 - Phantasy Star Top 5 Least Impressive Winners (by votes) 1) 40495 - Xenogears * 2) 40813 - Castlevania: SotN * 3) 48587 - Donkey Kong 4) 49291 - Doom 5) 49837 - Metroid * Top 5 Least Impressive Winners without an Extra PotD (by votes) 1) 48587 - Donkey Kong 2) 49291 - Doom 3) 54390 - Super Mario RPG 4) 55593 - Contra 5) 57674 - Pong Top 5 Easiest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner) 1) still, no data yet..... ever......... 2) 3) 4) 5) Top 5 Hardest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner) 1) no data yet...... hopefully soon......... please.......... 2) 3) 4) 5) * = shared PotD with GameRiot or ESPN or FFXI poll per Slowflake's suggestion (which iwas thinking about doing anyways, lol), i have two new lists that exclude the matches slowed down because of the extra PotD. what do they tell us? well, Tetris vs. Pong will be one boring match. and interestingly enough, four of the five lowest vote totals came in matches without an extra poll. --- Current Score: 22/24 (through OOT vs Fallout 2) ?????/????? with ???? other people A WINNER of Trivia 12 |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/24/2004 12:04:42 PM | Message Detail |
| Well
Chichiri, usually indirect comparisons and direct ones tend to hold up
well against each other. If Goldeneye can beat PD by 6000 votes, it's
got it in the bag. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 017/021 --- Matches: 17/21 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: Goldeneye |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 4/24/2004 12:34:40 PM | Message Detail |
| PD
could never beat GoldenEye, no matter what. But then agian they are
practically the same game and have the same fanbase. GoldenEye will
need several thousand people who didn't like PD to vote for it to beat
SotN. I'm not saying they aren't there, I'm just saying that IF they
aren't then GoldenEye will do about as well as PD. Those final results make me nervous though... I wonder what happened in the period of time when no results were shown, and I wonder what differences that hour when the poll was just plain down could have made. Would PD have made itself more threatening? Would it have gotten a harsher loss? Who knows. Ceej keeps ****ing up the damn polls in everyway possible. If he were doing anytihng like... oh, I dunno, seting up the leader board and other stuff like that I may be more forgiving of the downtime. But we still don't have that stuff. And the extra poll of the days piss me off to no end. If someone wants to sponsor a poll they should just sponsor the actual matches going on. Those are the ones people actually care about, so that'd make for better advertising anyway. Sure, it'd be biased, but at this point I don't think biased advertising can affect the poll results anymore than pushing them down so that a lot of people don't even see the matches. --- If all Christians acted like Christ, the whole world would be Christian. - Gandhi I like the 'CastlevaniaPOWNEDPerfectDark' Weapon! - SeikenDensetsuIII |
| From: creativename | Posted: 4/24/2004 2:05:28 PM | Message Detail |
| NFL Draft: Goddamn, but the Giants gave up the farm for Manning. I hate the way the NFL discounts picks--a 2nd rounder this year=a 1st rounder next year...stupid. Displays impatience and lack of wisdom. A lot of the reason for that is probably utility-based--GMs' and coaches' jobs are on the line, so they are often willing to sacrifice the future for winning now. But the Giants aren't going to win next year with Manning anyway. And there's an excellent chance that our pick next year will be a very high one. Also, Rivers is the guy I thought would be the best out of the quarterbacks before the draft. My dream scenario was us trading down and getting him--I never thought we'd actually draft him at 4, because I didn't know San Diego was so high on him. YPA is the "magic" football stat and Rivers had a 9.17 YPA; Roethlisberg a 9.06; and Manning an 8.15. However Roethlisberger's conference was weak--only a 44% average expected winning percentage (according to Pythagorean expecations with a power of 3). Rivers' conference had an average expected win % of 59%, and Manning's was 65%, so they had much tougher competition. Also, Rivers' team didn't run heavily, while Roethlisberger's and Manning's teams did. Running a lot tends to inflate YPA numbers. So Rivers' numbers were the most impressive. Manning is the "safer" pick because of his pedigree, but a lot of people are underrating the odds of Rivers achieving success in the NFL. He could very well become one of the league's best QBs and a perennial Pro-Bowler. I think you'll hear a lot more about him in the future. Still, Manning has a very good shot at being very good, and a decent shot at being truly great. So while the trade is upsetting we gave up so damn much, at least it's for a guy who's unlikely to be a flop. But the real horrible part of the deal is all the other stuff thrown in. PLUS, we could've traded down and still picked Rivers and traded him to San Diego. I guess the Giants were worried about someone else jumping in, picking Rivers and trading him to SD, but I doubt Rivers would've been picked in the top 6. We could've almost certainly traded with Cleveland and still got him. Just a waste. And we totally ruined our leverage over San Diego. This was probably because the trade talks weren't really in full gear until after we picked Rivers. And at that point, the Chargers knew we were stuck, because the Giants didn't want Rivers. And yet, because of the whole Archie Manning thing, we had very good leverage beforehand. Just very bad deal-making by Accorsi. We could've Manning for less. San Diego completely exploited Accorsi's moves. At least my Giants didn't **** up as bad as the Bills though...all that for the 22nd pick?? Absurd. --- Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4! SC2K4.com |
| From: creativename | Posted: 4/24/2004 2:06:01 PM | Message Detail |
| Back on topic: PD could never beat GoldenEye, no matter what. But then agian they are practically the same game and have the same fanbase. GoldenEye will need several thousand people who didn't like PD to vote for it to beat SotN. I'm not saying they aren't there, I'm just saying that IF they aren't then GoldenEye will do about as well as PD. If Goldeneye would definitely beat Perfect Dark, then how could it not do better than PD against SotN? That makes no sense. As for how Panzer Dragoon Saga is getting almost 20%, here are the only reasons I can think of: 1) Panzer Dragoon Orta for the XBox got a lot of attention. Fans of that game probably voted for PDS, even if they had never heard of it before. 2) "Dragoon" factor. Dragoon is a very recognized term. It implies a Final Fantasy/RPG/Japan connection. People might vote for PDS because of the attractiveness of having Dragoon in the name. 3) RPG factor. Even if you account for FPS weakness on this site, Goldeneye should still be doing better if it weren't for the factors above. NiGHTs will no doubt prove to be much weaker than PDS. I didn't think PDS was a trivial opponent because of factors 1) and 2) above. However, NiGHTs is a totally trivial opponent, along the lines of Gunstar Heroes. No way Mario 64 gets less than 85%, and it will probably approach 90%. --- Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4! SC2K4.com |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 4/24/2004 2:48:39 PM | Message Detail |
| I
have no problems with what the Giants did. They still have the core
that got them to the Super Bowl, and Tom Coughlin as their coach. And speaking of which: GMs' and coaches' jobs are on the line That`s not exactly true. Coughlin is a disciplinary genius who could take those guys and make them winners again. As I said, the Giants still have their core. Now all they need is a running back who doesn`t fumble every game. And I also underestimated PDS, but this isn`t unexpected *points to Chichiri`s post* --- Boards Hunted: 4098 I would like to take this moment to politely and sincerely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf |
| From: Haste2 | Posted: 4/24/2004 2:55:46 PM | Message Detail |
| Because we all know that FF VII = Goldeneye. There's obvious sarcasm in that. ...I think. Well, either you really think that, or your sarcasm didn't make any sense at all. If PDS ended up getting 20% (I know it'll be lower than that by the end), and if PDS = Suikoden II, Final Fantasy VII would take out Goldeneye with about 64% of the vote, which probably isn't too unreasonable... --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| From: creativename | Posted: 4/24/2004 2:58:44 PM | Message Detail |
| That`s
not exactly true. Coughlin is a disciplinary genius who could take
those guys and make them winners again. As I said, the Giants still
have their core. Now all they need is a running back who doesn`t fumble
every game. I was speaking in general for why the draft pick discounting is so extreme. Obviously Coughlin's job is not in jeoapardy, and while if Manning flops Accorsi is likely gone, he's here for at least a couple more years. So the Giants have no reason to be impatient. Which is why giving up so much makes even less sense. Plus, you have to understand that the Giants kept acting like hardasses this whole time. The newspaper articles written by the local writers were pretty arrogant in terms of insisting how the Giants wouldn't give up too much for Manning, because that's what they kept getting told by the Giants executives. Now all they need is a running back who doesn`t fumble every game. Screw you man, Tiki rules -_- He's my favorite Giant. Seriously, the fumbles get a lot of attention, but this team had far bigger problems. We just sucked hard last year. Everyone is expecting major improvement next year, and the NFL is very unpredictable on a year-to-year basis so we could a 10-12 win team next year; but there's still a good chance we'll suck again next year and that the #1 we gave up will be an excellent pick. The one little thing I'm worried about it that the team is giving a lot of lip-service to Ron Dayne again, and Coughlin might like a big back like Dayne better than a slasher like Tiki. But if Dayne gets any playing time whatsoever that would be a big mistake, because I cannot tell you how badly this guy sucks. --- Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4! SC2K4.com |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 4/24/2004 3:01:57 PM | Message Detail |
| The sports, they burn! Match Review: Perfect Dark vs. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night The match was very close, which means trouble for Castlevania in the next round. On the other hand, while Goldeneye is recognized as the more popular FPS of the two by a significant amount, there are plenty of people on this site who just plain don't like FPS games at all. SotN still has a chance, though it's a slim one. The round two match will be Goldeneye's to lose based on this performance. Match Preview: Super Mario 64 vs. NiGHTS into dreams... Super Mario 64: Who doesn't remember hearing "Itsa me, Mario!" a nauseating amount of times? Seriously, though, this game is regarded as one of Mario's greatest masterpieces and is possibly the most respected Mario game since SMB3. It's got the Nintendo backing all the way and that's all it'll need in round one. NiGHTS: Does this game have a single advantage to speak of in this match? Quite frankly, no. Blowout #2 coming right up... My prediction: SM64 88%, NiGHTS 12% --- Engaged to MWIS 04/07/04 Current Sp2K4 Score: 20/21, Next Winner: Goldeneye |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 4/24/2004 3:26:46 PM | Message Detail |
| I paid plenty
of attention to Barber last year, as he was on my Fantasy Team. His
fumbles caused him to see a slightly reduced role in playing time, and
I had plenty of late season games lost by single digit points because
of this. He`s a decent back who can catch the ball out of the backfield
and all that, but today`s NFL running back needs to be a workhorse for
their teams to be successful. And even then, you`re guaranteed nothing.
A couple of years ago, the top six running backs in the NFL (Ricky
Williams, Deuce McCalliser, Travis Henry, Priest Holmes, LaDanian
Tomlinson, and Clinton Portis) didn`t make the playoffs. And even last
year, look at the Divisional round in the playoffs. Where were all the
big-name running backs? Priest Holmes was there, but we all saw what my
Colts did to those boys. Today`s NFL running back needs to be a workhorse, and today`s NFL team needs to be able to throw the ball. The Giants have one of those, so I think they`ll be fine. And learn to ignore the New York media. --- Boards Hunted: 4098 I would like to take this moment to politely and sincerely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf |
| From: Phediuk | Posted: 4/24/2004 4:42:18 PM | Message Detail |
| Match #21 Review: Woah, this match was closer than I had anticipated. I still think SotN has a shot at Goldeneye in Round 2, though. Match #23 Preview: SM64... --- "Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle." -Toad in Super Mario Bros. |
| From: creativename | Posted: 4/24/2004 5:01:25 PM | Message Detail |
| You may resent Tiki because he hurt your fantasy team, but he's still an above average back, and vastly superior to Ron Dayne. but today`s NFL running back needs to be a workhorse for their teams to be successful. Eh? A good back is a good back. There is no single type of running back that is good for "today's game". Individual coaches have their own preferences. couple of years ago, the top six running backs in the NFL (Ricky Williams, Deuce McCalliser, Travis Henry, Priest Holmes, LaDanian Tomlinson, and Clinton Portis) didn`t make the playoffs Yards per carry does not correlate at all with winning. YPA correlates very heavily with winning, as does rushing attempts (run more, win more). But you don't need a star back to do that. Having an efficient passing game--and stopping opponenets from passing effectively--is how to win. (the very simple stat % of YPA--i.e., YPA for/(YPA for+YPA against--has a .8 correlation with winning) Having a superstar back isn't a big deal. And learn to ignore the New York media. You sound like you're trying to impart wisdom or something ;) I assume this is a reference to the arrogant articles comment. I was trying to display how the Giants didn't act like they said they would, which was how they should have acted. Instead they screwed themselves. Understand that they could have gotten Manning for less, if they had just played their cards differently. It was bad trading. The concept of the trading for Manning was not bad, it was the execution that was stupid, because they cost themselves more than they should have. By all reports, San Diego was actually asking for equal value or less value for the #1 pick last week, before all the Archie Manning stuff broke. The Giants should have exploited their leverage. Instead, by picking Rivers at 4 before talking seriously with the Chargers, they backed themselves into a corner. --- Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4! SC2K4.com |
| From: creativename | Posted: 4/24/2004 7:40:36 PM | Message Detail |
| I'm
surprised to see a lot of people in the Oracle challenge picking
Ocarina of Time to win with a higher % than Mario 64. I wouldn't have
expected that, since NiGHTs should be a trivial opponent and one of the
weakest games in the contest, while Fallout 2 is a very underseeded,
well known PC RPG. If Ocarina of Time does do better against Fallout 2
than Mario 64 against NiGHTs, it probably indicates total PWNage in
their future match. --- Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4! SC2K4.com |
| From: swirldude | Posted: 4/24/2004 7:44:54 PM | Message Detail |
| while Fallout 2 is a very underseeded, well known PC RPG Not on GameFAQs --- And the no. 1 reason why Magus > Ansem.......Ansem bought an N-Gage, didn't he! FATALITY. O_O ~Cromage Score: 19/22 Super Mario 64 > NiGHTS into Dreams |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 4/24/2004 7:45:23 PM | Message Detail |
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| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 4/24/2004 7:45:34 PM | Message Detail |
| Fallout 2 is the only RPG that I believe could possibly get quintupled. --- If all Christians acted like Christ, the whole world would be Christian. - Gandhi I like the 'CastlevaniaPOWNEDPerfectDark' Weapon! - SeikenDensetsuIII |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 4/24/2004 7:46:27 PM | Message Detail |
| *note: MORE THAN quintupled. --- If all Christians acted like Christ, the whole world would be Christian. - Gandhi I like the 'CastlevaniaPOWNEDPerfectDark' Weapon! - SeikenDensetsuIII |
| From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 4/25/2004 2:14:55 AM | Message Detail |
| Well,
SM64 is at a steady 83% right now and I think I was the only one to
predict it breaking 90% (I predicted 90.64%). It`ll need roughly 7%
right now to catch up to my prediction but nonetheless due to day votes
into the morning it shouldn`t have a problem breaking 85%. But here`s a question: Who do you think would win in a match between NiGHTS and The Simpsons? And how close do you think the match would be? I`m asking because in that last Mario poll SM64 was slightly ahead of SMW, so it`d be interesting to see if SM64 could be equal to SMW or maybe even above in this contest. --- Nintendo® - The Beginning and the End I know what you`re thinking...all this power, AND looks, too! - Bowser |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 4/25/2004 5:54:37 AM | Message Detail |
| But
here`s a question: Who do you think would win in a match between NiGHTS
and The Simpsons? And how close do you think the match would be? In a match where both competing games are largely unknown, external factors other than the games themselves become much more important. I don't think I have to point out which of those games has greater name recognition. --- Engaged to MWIS 04/07/04 Current Sp2K4 Score: 20/21, Next Winner: Goldeneye |
| From: Fett0001 | Posted: 4/25/2004 7:09:08 AM | Message Detail |
| I don't think I have to point out which of those games has greater name recognition. NiGHTS, of course. =) --- 17/21 as of PD vs. SoTN Next Pick : GE |
| From: steve illumina | Posted: 4/25/2004 7:10:59 AM | Message Detail |
| Well here we go kiddies :) Time for... Steve Illumina Speaks Thats right, the infamous yet humorous commentary is back, to go with all the rest of us here in this, the greatest of threads, the most worthy of postings on this fanboy dominated board. And so it continues, with a blowout to define one system's finest hour in the "Golden Age" Division Match XXIV (2)Zelda Ocarina of Time vs (15)Fallout 2 Steve's Prediction: Zelda by 92%+ Steve's Bracket: Zelda Newbie's Pick: The one they heard of... Upset Chances: Go sit by Three Mile Island and wait for some real fallout! Comments: Here we got the last of 3 blowouts to end the Golden Age bracket...yes sir we do...mmm hmmm....yeppers. So I will keep it short...bout as short as Fallout 2's chances, which are for about 1 second BEFORE the vote begins. Link is still angry over losing last year to Square poster boy Cloud...and his fury has manifested itself twice thus far in dominating blowouts...and this shall be no different. Link shall mount his Ironknuckle and unsheath his Magical Sword and slay this pretender Fallout 2... It is as clear as mud...and sure as death and taxes...it is 100% certain. Fallout 2...Hahahahah Go home! GO back to the discount bin! You dont belong here! You have no hope...no prayer of a chance! Dont expect a refund from Ceej for your entry fees into the tourney. Infact, better call an ambulance...you will be in critical condition after the 90%+ beating to be administered... 10000 votes? Nope. 5000 votes? Maybe... This match defines all that is wrong with this 1st round... Probable Results: Zelda wins in 1 second of voting. This match is a mere breather til Tuesday... Steve's Moments: Zelda: Truly the N64's finest hour, and I spent many an hour playing it... Fallout 2: I spent not even an hour playing it! --- SC2K4: 21/24! Read my Satirical Contest Commentary! Steve Illumina: Standing tall against fanboys for over 20 years |
| From: Tai | Posted: 4/25/2004 7:11:25 AM | Message Detail |
| Fallout 2 is the only RPG that I believe could possibly get quintupled. It could only happen to Fallout against the best, sadly. --- Welcome to SpC2k4, where you suck if you presume someone else's opinions.- Tai. |
| From: Tarrot | Posted: 4/25/2004 9:47:49 AM | Message Detail |
| I would like to point out that in all of the blowouts previously, the much more unknown game has pulled a much higher percentage then it should have. Panzer Dragoon Saga pulled 19%, Nights, I would say a game tied with Adventure as the most unknown game of the tournament, looks to pull 14-15%. Fallout I think is more well known then either of those games, and I doubt this is going to be the 90%+ blowout some make it out to be. |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 4/25/2004 10:06:55 AM | Message Detail |
| Match Review: Goldeneye vs. Panzer Dragoon Saga Goldeneye only managed 80%. Why? Some reasons have been offered and a few of them make sense but I still say it shows a frightening cultist bent on this site or a general dislike of FPS games among 10-15% of the GameFAQs population, which could mean good things for Starcraft on Tuesday. In the end, though, I still think Goldeneye will win its second round match against SotN; it has the power to get a mere few percentage points above its less-popular counterpart, Perfect Dark. Match Preview: The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time vs. Fallout 2 OoT: The most popular Zelda game ever, and considering how Link has done in the past, this game is therefore going places. Not necessarily to the final four but almost everyone is counting on it reaching the elite eight. Fallout 2: One of the best RPGs around -- only problem is that it's not made by Square and has committed the egregious sin of being released on the PC. Hmm...the most popular game for the N64 is pitted against a popular PC RPG on a console-oriented site. Guess who wins? I could see this match going to Fallout 2 if we weren't on GameFAQs (or at least being pretty close) but we are on GameFAQs so Fallout 2 will be crushed. However, I don't see a 90%+ victory in OoT's future. I believe I said in the past that it would have to get about 88% against Fallout 2 for me to consider it serious competition for Final Fantasy VII. I don't think it's going to get that much, especially after what I saw yesterday. My prediction: OoT 83%, Fallout 2 17% --- Engaged to MWIS 04/07/04 Current Sp2K4 Score: 21/22, Next Winner: Super Mario 64 |
| From: Tai | Posted: 4/25/2004 10:13:04 AM | Message Detail |
| I
would like to point out that in all of the blowouts previously, the
much more unknown game has pulled a much higher percentage then it
should have. Panzer Dragoon Saga pulled 19%, Nights, I would say a game
tied with Adventure as the most unknown game of the tournament, looks
to pull 14-15%. Fallout I think is more well known then either of those
games, and I doubt this is going to be the 90%+ blowout some make it
out to be. Forgive me if my memory doesn't serve me right, but Panzer nor Nights faced Zelda. I believe Panzer faced GoldenEye and that Nights is currently facing SM64. There's a HUGE difference between GE, SM64, and Zelda in this series. Now, if you please, examine the history of Link's perfomance so far with his games: Legend of Zelda vs Adventure: 95.2% A Link to the Past vs Gunstar Heroes: 91.15% Now OOT has to face Fallout 2, another fodder game. As you can see, my friend, Link and his games have managed to get at least 90% against his opponents so far. I don't think Mario's games or Final Fantasy's games can say the same thing for their perfomances. Don't say Link can't do 90% just because Mario and Final Fantasy can't, cause Link's not Mario, Link's not Final Fantasy, Link's DEFINITELY not GE, Link is right now doing the best job in the first round with his 2for2 90% butt-whoopings, while Mario or Final Fantasy has yet to get at least ONE game over 90%. For now, don't tell Link what others did. What they did sucked for their calibur. Tell Link if his game, OOT, for what it is, can give him a third 90% butt-whooping against another fodder game, since he's already done it twice while others are strugging for one. And I say: HELL YEAH! --- Welcome to SpC2k4, where you suck if you presume someone else's opinions.- Tai. |
| From: Phediuk | Posted: 4/25/2004 11:38:58 AM | Message Detail |
| Nights, I would say a game tied with Adventure as the most unknown game of the tournament Uhh...no. Anybody who knows anything about the Saturn knows of Nights. Even Adventure isn't that obscure. I was kinda shocked that so many people had never heard of it prior to this contest. Panzer Dragoon Saga is definitely less-known than Nights is, but that's just my opinion. --- "Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle." -Toad in Super Mario Bros. |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/25/2004 12:18:41 PM | Message Detail |
| *** COMPARISONS GAME - Match #24 - (2) LEGEND OF ZELDA: OCARINA OF TIME vs. (15) FALLOUT 2 *** Sales OoT sold a healthy 6 million copies, which would be enough to put it in the top 20 best-sellers of all time if there weren't other games tied with it. And I would not expect Fallout 2 to be among these. - Advantage OoT. Franchises *plays a video of Wile E. Coyote hitting a train over and over and over* - Advantage OoT. GameFAQs Status Number of FAQs: OoT Number of reviews: OoT Average review score: Fallout 2 Board activity: OoT Fallout 2 winning the reviewers' favor isn't exactly a surprise, since usually the underdogs run away with that category. But by how much it does is shocking. To be fair, it's not because Fallout's average is sky-high, it's because OoT's is surprisingly low. Lower than LttP, lower than LoZ, lower than WW. That's right, WIND WAKER kicks OoT's ass in the reviews. But the categories OoT wins just tell what game actually got played by the people here. - Advantage OoT. Board Odds Project PICKS (out of 102) Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time - 102 POINT VALUE 3. Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time - 2280 57. Fallout 2 - 0 Eww. At least Secret of Mana had a few points. - Advantage OoT. Summer Contests / Polls of the Day Zelda's practically tied with FF for most popular franchise, and OoT is the favorite in its series. Starring SC2K2 champion and SC2K3 semifinalist (though to be fair he was the one to come closest to Cloud). Quite the résumé. Unless Sephiroth is revealed as a secret boss in Fallout 2 in the next 10 hours, OoT's star power is just impossible to overcome here. - Advantage OoT. Intangibles Let's see... Fallout 2 is an RPG. Good. It's on PC. Bad. And PC being undefeated in a Spring Contest is meaningless. OoT? Well, let's put it this way... if CJayC somehow cut the game title after "Legend" for whatever reason, it would still win. - Advantage OoT. Conclusion: This is a match with some interest, despite the inevitable magnitude of the blowout, as it's going to say a lot about OoT's championship hopes. With CT pretty much out of the way, its match with FF7 will be, as we said from the day the nominations began, the true championship match. And finally, a few kind words for Fallout 2. I'm surprised people think OoT will reach 90%. I think Fallout 2 would beat NiGHTS by quite a lot of votes. Maybe not as much as how OoT will beat SM64, but if it gets anything above 88% it just won the tourney. BOOK IT! --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 018/022 --- Matches: 18/22 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: SM64 |
| From: Tai | Posted: 4/25/2004 12:38:55 PM | Message Detail |
| And
finally, a few kind words for Fallout 2. I'm surprised people think OoT
will reach 90%. I think Fallout 2 would beat NiGHTS by quite a lot of
votes. Maybe not as much as how OoT will beat SM64, but if it gets
anything above 88% it just won the tourney. BOOK IT! Don't be surprised if OOT reaches 90%. LoZ and LttP did it. What? Adventure and Gunstar Heroes are the worst games in history..or at least the contest?! Hmm..I don't think so..but even if they are, I don't think the community's very welcoming to Fallout 2 has it prepares to arena. They want bloodshed and murder. They WANT a third 90% butt-whooping for the Zelda Series. It can happen, man. It WILL happen, man. Don't defy the power that is Zelda, man!! --- Welcome to SpC2k4, where you suck if you presume someone else's opinions.- Tai. |
| From: Tai | Posted: 4/25/2004 12:48:02 PM | Message Detail |
| Oh
yeah, another thing. No other series has gotten 90% so far, either. Not
Mario series. Not Final Fantasy Series. No one else. And Zelda? They've
done it twice and the first round's not even over yet. (Apart from the
fact the first round might be the only time it acutally happens at
all..heh heh.) If the same thing happens in the second round, I lock my
opinion at the possiblity of an all-Zelda Final 4. (Which I think will
happen.) --- Welcome to SpC2k4, where you suck if you presume someone else's opinions.- Tai. |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 4/25/2004 1:25:45 PM | Message Detail |
| Zelda has done this against the two worst games in the contest. --- Boards Hunted: 4098 I would like to take this moment to politely and sincerely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf |
| From: Tai | Posted: 4/25/2004 1:27:43 PM | Message Detail |
| Zelda has done this against the two worst games in the contest. I don't care. Only Zelda COULD do this, and it CAN do it again. Zelda's the best. If Zelda gets 90% against Fallout 2, OOT wins the contest. :-) --- Welcome to SpC2k4, where you suck if you presume someone else's opinions.- Tai. |
| From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 4/25/2004 1:28:40 PM | Message Detail |
| Mega
Man did this same thing in 2002 as well and he lost third round. 90%
blowouts, while good, don`t mean a whole lot when your up against two
of the weakest, if not the two weakest, entries into the contest. With
that being said I do believe LttP is taking down CT and OoT taking down
FFVII. Wind Waker and LoZ though I do believe are losing to Metroid
Prime and SMB3. Like they should. --- Nintendo® - The Beginning and the End I know what you`re thinking...all this power, AND looks, too! - Bowser |
| From: creativename | Posted: 4/25/2004 1:46:11 PM | Message Detail |
| Now OOT has to face Fallout 2, another fodder game Fallout 2 is by no means a fodder game. It is without question superior to Adventure and Gunstar Heroes. Only Zelda COULD do this Blatantly false. Phediuk: Nights, I would say a game tied with Adventure as the most unknown game of the tournament Uhh...no. Anybody who knows anything about the Saturn knows of Nights. Even Adventure isn't that obscure. I was kinda shocked that so many people had never heard of it prior to this contest. NiGHTs and Adventure are, indeed, the most obscure games in the tournament. No real question about this. Along with Gunstar Heroes probably. Panzer Dragoon Saga is definitely less-known than Nights is, but that's just my opinion. No, Panzer Dragoon Saga is more well-known, I'm almost positive about this. I had heard of PDS on this site many times long before the XBox game came out. Add in the recognizability of the XBox title, and PDS is not an unknown. NiGHTs however is about as obscure as it gets when you talk about "classic" console games. Slowflake: I'm surprised people think OoT will reach 90%. I think Fallout 2 would beat NiGHTS by quite a lot of votes. Maybe not as much as how OoT will beat SM64, but if it gets anything above 88% it just won the tourney. BOOK IT! 88% would be impressive, but I don't know if it's enough to guarantee victory. Especially because Fallout 2 might have has some "downside". But a 90% for Ocarina of Time makes it the clear favorite, and I'd say 91.5%+ means this tournament is a foregone conclusion. --- Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4! SC2K4.com |
| From: creativename | Posted: 4/25/2004 1:51:48 PM | Message Detail |
| And I must say, Mario 64's performance against a jobber like NiGHTs is pretty underwhelming. So far, the theory that the newer divisions would be less inclined to extreme blowouts looks to be holding up. Which means that you might have to respect the performances of Final Fantasy VII and Final Fantasy Tactics more. (unfortunately for Tactics, MGS's performance looks awesome now) Final Fantasy VII blowing out Suikoden II as badly as Mario 64 blows out NiGHTs? Wow. Final Fantasy VII would probably beat Mario 64 with close to 70% of the vote, and the same will likely hold true for Ocarina of Time. --- Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4! SC2K4.com |
| From: Tai | Posted: 4/25/2004 1:57:55 PM | Message Detail |
| Fallout 2 is by no means a fodder game. It is without question superior to Adventure and Gunstar Heroes. Prove it! Prove that OOT won't make Fallout 2 look like fodder after OOT is done with the poor victim! Only Zelda COULD do this Blatantly false. False? No one else has gotten 90% of the votes of a match in the contest yet except the Zelda Series. I hope you didn't confuse the Zelda Series for Zelda, herself. -_____________- --- Welcome to SpC2k4, where you suck if you presume someone else's opinions.- Tai. |
| From: creativename | Posted: 4/25/2004 2:00:19 PM | Message Detail |
| Prove it! Prove that OOT won't make Fallout 2 look like fodder after OOT is done with the poor victim! ??? What the? False? No one else has gotten 90% of the votes of a match in the contest yet except the Zelda Series. I hope you didn't confuse the Zelda Series for Zelda, herself. -_____________- You cannot seriously be implying that Final Fanatsy VII wouldn't get 90% against Adventure. --- Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4! SC2K4.com |
| From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 4/25/2004 2:01:21 PM | Message Detail |
| SMB3 would get 90% against Adventure. --- Nintendo® - The Beginning and the End I know what you`re thinking...all this power, AND looks, too! - Bowser |
| From: Starion | Posted: 4/25/2004 2:04:18 PM | Message Detail |
| Am I the only one here clueless about Fallout? I've never even heard of the game. --- Sp2004 Score:20/22 Today's Pick: Mario Nominate Death for the 2004 Character Contest |
| From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 4/25/2004 2:04:59 PM | Message Detail |
| I have no idea what Fallout 2 is myself, other than its a PC RPG from what I hear around the board. --- Nintendo® - The Beginning and the End I know what you`re thinking...all this power, AND looks, too! - Bowser |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/25/2004 2:13:55 PM | Message Detail |
| I got no idea what Fallout 2 is, either. But for some reason the name sounds familiar. I think we can take it as being much stronger than Adventure or Gunstar Heroes. And to the one who suggested FF7 would beat SM64 with 70% of the votes: my own estimates would place it at around 65%. I'm expecting 65-35 for OoT/SM64 personally, too. Real shame's that nothing's going to come closer to FF7 or OoT before they meet. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 018/022 --- Matches: 18/22 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: SM64 |
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