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| From: Tai | Posted: 4/21/2004 9:27:27 AM | Message Detail |
| An 8-year old wouldn't beat Pokémon either. Pfft. I'm 99.9% sure you have no proof of this at all. -_________- For Christ's sake, would you people play the damn game or shut up? No, I don't wanna. Pokemon was viewed as a childish game and that's what put Xenogears over the top. The Nintendo Fanboys turned their asses on Pokemon. *ROTFL* My brother beat Chrono Trigger when he was nine so that shows how much strategy and brainpower it takes to beat your vaunted Square RPGs. SQUARE?! VAUNTED?! Pokemon has 5 movies, a TCG, clothes, it's own TV show and show many other things I can't think of right now made by it. It's pratically it's own corporation, Pokemon Inc. ! And you are calling Square RPGs vaunted over THAT?! Don't make me die of a heart attack from laughing too much. XD Having played both Xenogears and Pokemon, let me inform you that Pokemon is intended for all ages and that an eight-year-old couldn't come close to beating the game. Xenogears would just bore an eight-year-old to tears. Any game, according to ESRB, branded with the "E" for Everyone tag is said to be a game designed for kids 8 and older. You have no proof an 8-year old can't beat it. -_____- And even if it can't, Xeno is better, Xeno is the victor, that's all that matters, I'm an anti-Po..er..and all the Pokemon fanboys can take that all home until the Summer. End of Story. Bye bye. See you later. :-) --- Welcome to Sp2CK4, where your opinion does not matter. -Xenobi. |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 4/21/2004 12:45:01 PM | Message Detail |
| SQUARE?! VAUNTED?! By you and many on this site, obviously. If you want to talk crap about games you've never played, be my guest. Since you haven't even played Pokemon, your opinion that it is an easy, child's game means nothing to me. --- Engaged to MWIS 04/07/04 Current Sp2K4 Score: 17/18, Next Winner: Final Fantasy Tactics |
| From: Ngamer64 | Posted: 4/21/2004 12:52:29 PM | Message Detail |
vaunted Vaunt \Vaunt\, v. i. [imp. & p. p. Vaunted; p. pr. & vb. n. Vaunting.] [F. vanter, LL. vanitare, fr. L. vanus vain. See Vain.] To boast; to make a vain display of one's own worth, attainments, decorations, or the like; to talk ostentatiously; to brag. I don't see how this description in any way relates to having created a long series of games and cross-promotional products that have perhaps worn out their welcome. I DO see how it relates to the general opinion of this board, namely, that Square RPGs are God's gift to video games. --- the-elite.net Guru Rankings: geocities.com/cyber1166/gamefaqs/ContestGurus.xls The Contest Archives: http://geocities.com/cyber1166/gamefaqs |
| From: Tai | Posted: 4/21/2004 2:43:22 PM | Message Detail |
| By you and many on this site, obviously. If you want to talk crap about games you've never played, be my guest. Since you haven't even played Pokemon, your opinion that it is an easy, child's game means nothing to me. I played Pokemon Red and Gold, which both blew. How dare you presume that I've never played Pokemon!!! *bops you wit a hammer* That's why I think it sucks! :| I don't vaunt Square RPGs. How dare you, you don't know me at all -______-. It's a tradegy for me has a Square basher to know that FF7 will win it all. Wait..no, I'm stubborn: SMB3 RULE ALL!! But, Square RPGs overrated my ass, [ ]. Did you even see SC2K3?! An all-FF7 final!! Now, even though I hate Square for life, I diss little kid games like Pokemon and put anything over them! FF7 pwned SC2K3, and you know it. Xeno will be eaten for..I don't know, I think FF7 prefers dinner. But Xeno beat the most overrated game in the world, and that's Pokemon. It's kidddy, it's overrated..vaunted.....no one likes it, and that's why it won. Eat it, Eat it, Eat it, and EAT IT!!! Pukemon sucks, BOP rocks for not falling victim to it's so-called popularity, I salute thee. --- Welcome to Sp2CK4, where your opinion does not matter. -Xenobi. |
| From: Haste2 | Posted: 4/21/2004 2:51:52 PM | Message Detail |
|
I'm surprised many think FFT will beat MGS. FFT is getting the exact
percentage that I expected, so I don't think it's overperforming or
anything. MGS is a growing series, and FFT is not even in the top 5
most popular FF games (I'm sure it's behind FFX-2, FFX, FFVIII, FFVII,
and FFVI). Ugh, and why hasn't CJayC learned his lesson about a polls' location affecting vote totals? I'll be pretty upset if he continues moving it around...either do it all at the top, or all below a regular PotD. PD vs. Castlevania: SotN...it would be a huge upset if PD won, but we gotta remember that almost everyone knows that Perfect Dark is just like Goldeneye, even if it didn't sell as much as GE. Also, I hope PD doesn't gain the upper hand just because a bunch of the casual voters dislike sidescrolling games. That would suck. >.< But come on, if Alucard is that popular, SotN has got to be stronger than that, so SotN should still take it. --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| From: cyko | Posted: 4/21/2004 2:52:38 PM | Message Detail |
| i beat Mike Tyson's Punch-Out when i was eight years old. what a kiddie game that was, i tell ya. cyko's Point of View Match 20 (4) Metal Gear Solid vs. (13) Resident Evil my original opinion of this match was that it would be kind of a close match. i mean, you've got two franchises that were both made huge by the Playstation; possibly the two biggest franchises the system made (unless you count FF7). both games had recent Gamecube remakes. Solid Snake has done much better in the Summer Contests than either RE character (Jill and Claire), but Resident Evil has been released across more systems and had more games and exposure than Metal Gear. tough call. then, however, i remembered that this isn't a contest for the best SERIES ever; it's the best GAME ever. Resident Evil started the series and kicked off an interesting sub-genre, but it really wasn't that great of a game. it was popular and sold well, but in the same way that Enter the Matrix was popular and sold well. Resident Evil 2, however, is the one that really earned the series respect in the eyes of reviewers and critics, earrning the series respect as a good game. the original is not the best game of the RE series and is probably only behind RE Survivor and RE Gaiden for the Game Boy Color as the third weakest game in the series. that will hurt Resident Evil. even if it was one series against the other, i would still lean towards MGS, simply because of Snake's better contest accomplishments (Elite Eight both times) and the recent re-release of Twin Snakes. so, yeah, if it was Resident Evil 2 or Code Veronica, then we would have a closer battle. but, the original will not be able to hold it's own. i expect MGS to double the very cheesy RE's vote total. taking into account FFT's performance today, if MGS gets lower than 60%, then we will have a close battle next round. on the other hand, if it manages to break 70%, then FFT might as well throw in the towel right now. prediction: Metal Gear Solid with 64-67% my bracket: Metal Gear Solid personal favorite: Metal Gear Solid - MGS was excellent. it was like playing a movie. unfortunately, it was about as long as a movie, but still a great game. when RE first came out, i didn't give it a second glance. when RE2 came out, it was so well-received that i gave it a try and loved it. after beating RE2, i went back and tried the original, but it was pathetic by comparison. --- Current Score: 17/19 (through FFT vs DDR) ?????/????? with ???? other people A WINNER of Trivia 12 |
| From: Pokemon Fanboy | Posted: 4/21/2004 3:52:28 PM | Message Detail |
| smitelf: For Christ's sake, would you people play the damn game or shut up? Tai: No, I don't wanna. Tai: I played Pokemon Red and Gold If you are choosing to take an extremist point of view on a video game to annoy the fans of the game, the LEAST you could do is keep track of if you have played the game before or not. I don't care if you have played the game or not, the point is to keep your story straight. It's a very basic concept, either you claim to have played the game or not. Also your second comment makes no sense. You seem to dislike the series a lot yet you play TWO of them? Why? I've seen this line included in almost every post made by someone who hates Pokemon a lot(or more likely pretending to). It's always "I've played Blue and Silver" or "I've played Yellow and Gold". The second game doesn't help your argument and forces you to research two games instead of when making your points. You should have kept it to just one(or zero to go with your first comment), it's a bit more belivable. |
| From: swirldude | Posted: 4/21/2004 4:17:38 PM | Message Detail |
| I beat Super Mario World when I was 6. That's some kiddie game... --- And the no. 1 reason why Magus > Ansem.......Ansem bought an N-Gage, didn't he! FATALITY. O_O ~Cromage Score: 17/19 Metal Gear Solid > Resident Evil |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 4/21/2004 4:51:49 PM | Message Detail |
| I
played Pokemon Red and Gold, which both blew. How dare you presume that
I've never played Pokemon!!! *bops you wit a hammer* That's why I think
it sucks! :| It wasn’t an assumption. You should keep track of your own comments better if you’re going to lie about which games you’ve played. Your first post: Oh yeah, I'm so happy Xenogears was able to beat a game for 8-year olds. Since I’m assuming you’re not a child, you saying that Pokemon is for eight-year-olds is implying that you’ve never played it. My response: For Christ's sake, would you people play the damn game or shut up? Your response to my response: No, I don't wanna. If you had played the game(s), logic would dictate that you would have claimed to have done so after the first time I accused you of not having played them. And, as has already been stated, if Pokemon does indeed blow so hard, then why did you play Gold after being so heartily dissatisfied with Red? I rarely call people on statements I find suspicious but your claim is so obviously contrived that I have no choice but to believe you to be lying. I don't vaunt Square RPGs. How dare you, you don't know me at all -______-. It's a tradegy for me has a Square basher to know that FF7 will win it all. Wait..no, I'm stubborn: SMB3 RULE ALL!! But, Square RPGs overrated my ass, [ ]. You’re just a Final Fantasy basher. If you were an all-out Square basher then you wouldn’t have been congratulating Xenogears on its win. You were vaunting Xenogears in your post. Xenogears is a Square RPG. Therefore, you were vaunting a Square RPG. Did you even see SC2K3?! An all-FF7 final!! Yes, and I also saw SC2K2. What’s your point? Oh, that I’m right in saying that Square RPGs are vaunted around here? Wow, thanks. Now, even though I hate Square for life, I diss little kid games like Pokemon and put anything over them! Oh, I see, you hate Square *so much* that you will vote for a Square game you’ve never played (I’m assuming you haven’t since you hate Square so much) over another game you’ve never played. FF7 pwned SC2K3, and you know it. Xeno will be eaten for..I don't know, I think FF7 prefers dinner. But Xeno beat the most overrated game in the world, and that's Pokemon. It's kidddy, it's overrated..vaunted.....no one likes it, and that's why it won. A definition of the word “vaunted” has already been generously posted for your reference. Please stop misusing it. But wait, why am I talking to you? You spelled “kiddy” wrong. I’m not usually a huge spelling Nazi but come on, KIDDY? Two syllables. Five letters. Spelled just as it sounds. Eat it, Eat it, Eat it, and EAT IT!!! Pukemon sucks, BOP rocks for not falling victim to it's so-called popularity, I salute thee. Your karma appears to be too high to be a troll but those kind of lines make me wonder… --- Engaged to MWIS 04/07/04 Current Sp2K4 Score: 17/18, Next Winner: Final Fantasy Tactics |
| From: creativename | Posted: 4/21/2004 4:59:23 PM | Message Detail |
| Slowflake: The evidence is glaringly obvious, on the contrary No, it's not. I've gone over this in detail before. The amount of evidence there is for this is not debatable; it's a questionable amount of evidence. Look at the "Weighted Improvement" column here: http://sc2k4.com/excel/character_comparisons.htm Here are the averages, grouped by 2002 division, for Weighted Improvement: 2002 East Division: 2.48% 2002 North Division: 8.38% 2002 South Division: -4.14% 2002 West Division: -4.26% Not much to support Sephiroth over-performance against Link in 2K2 here. Mario under-performance is supported--except for the fact that that improvement can mostly be laid at the feet of Cloud. Here are the averages not couting Cloud, Sephiroth, Squall, and Donkey Kong: 2002 East Division: 0.96% 2002 North Division: 1.06% 2002 South Division: -4.14% 2002 West Division: -7.26% Some reason to believe in it here--and the five people with the highest weighted decreases are all in the West division. Still, the magnitude of the decline isn't massive, and everything is within the realm of randomness. If you want to support this theory, that's fine, but don't go around telling people the evidence is overwhelming :) While the evidence is leaning in support of it, it is very far from overwhelming. And since there is no real reason for this, it is possibly just a data mining result. Plus, if you were to take Tidus' raw numbers in 2002, he would have gotten practically no help from KH, whereas it's generally accepted than there's a huge difference from 42% against Sonic to 49% against Ganondorf. Why would Tidus benefit? He did *nothing* in that game. It would've been shocking if Tidus benefitted from Kingdom Hearts factor. Even if he had made a big jump, it would've been strange to attribute it to Kingdom Hearts. --- Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4! SC2K4.com |
| From: creativename | Posted: 4/21/2004 5:01:46 PM | Message Detail |
| steve illumina: And just like Xeno beat the so called favorite Pokemon...Tactics, a Square RPG and a well liked one, will beat Solid. That match was a pick 'em. Pokemon was by no means the favorite. Board opinion was split, and either game might've been a slight favorite depending on where you looked. Whereas MGS was a huge favorite over Final Fantasy Tactics. smitelf: played both Xenogears and Pokemon, let me inform you that Pokemon is intended for all ages Not really true. There is no doubt that the target demographic for Pokemon was under, say, 13. There's a reason all the ads for that type of stuff goes to after-school Cartoon Network and Saturday morning cartoons. Marketing executives for Nintendo didn't sit around and say, "Gee, let's market this to 16 year olds". That was never the intent. I don't mean any disrespect to older, "mature" gamers who enjoyed Pokemon--by most accounts they were very fun games. But they were clearly intended for a pre-adolescent audience, and for the most part, played by the intended audience. i beat Mike Tyson's Punch-Out when i was eight years old. what a kiddie game that was, i tell ya But...it was o_O Punch-Out ruled, but remember that just about everyone who played it at the time it was big was a pre-teen. People still respect it due in large part to nostalgia, but it was "kiddie" by definition, as were many NES games. Some NES games were less "kiddie" than others, as they would've skewed towards slightly older audiences--this is just a guess, but I would think that, for instance, Ninja Gaiden probably skewed older than the Kirby NES game. Some games would probably have a lot larger variance in the age groups who played them--SMB3 probably being a good example of this. --- Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4! SC2K4.com |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/21/2004 5:06:26 PM | Message Detail |
| I
think I went over every last character who came back from 2002 South
once. Most of them are negligeable, except Bomberman who went down
massively for some reason. I'd be curious to see what the average would
be WITHOUT Bomberman. How Magus and Ganondorf perform this coming summer will probably speak volumes on whether Tidus' apparent increase was a fluke. For some reason, I think not. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 014/018 --- Matches: 14/18 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: FFT |
| From: Starion | Posted: 4/21/2004 5:09:03 PM | Message Detail |
| I
would be curious to see that too. I just don't see Tidus as a popular
character; and this is coming from someone who loves FFX. --- Sp2004 Score:16/18 Today's Pick: FFT Nominate Death for the 2004 Character Contest |
| From: creativename | Posted: 4/21/2004 5:16:59 PM | Message Detail |
| whether Tidus' apparent increase was a fluke. What increase? His performance was virtually identical both years. --- Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4! SC2K4.com |
| From: creativename | Posted: 4/21/2004 5:24:08 PM | Message Detail |
| I
think I went over every last character who came back from 2002 South
once. Most of them are negligeable, except Bomberman who went down
massively for some reason. I'd be curious to see what the average would
be WITHOUT Bomberman. Bomberman was a middleweight so he doesn't count very highly in terms of Weighted Improvement. His weighted decrease was 6.98%. Take that out and the divisional decrease goes from -4.14% to -3.74%. Among 2002 South Division characters' Weighted performances, the declines of Jill Valentine, and also possibly Raziel and Pac-Man were slightly more precipitous. Note that my weighted improvement calcs are based on Adjusted change (a scalar of .973 for all 2K3 ratios), not that it makes much difference. --- Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4! SC2K4.com |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 4/21/2004 6:20:30 PM | Message Detail |
| "Since I’m assuming you’re not a child, you saying that Pokemon is for eight-year-olds is implying that you’ve never played it." Well that's a stupid assumption. In fact that's two stupid assumptions because he probably is a child. --- If all Christians acted like Christ, the whole world would be Christian. - Gandhi |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 4/21/2004 6:26:39 PM | Message Detail |
| While
we got ya handy creative, I think at one point the quesion came up
while you weren't around: precisely what process did you use for your,
whatjamacallits, recursive rankings? Just curious how you got those
specific %s. I at first thought it was a simple process of X lost to Y
75/25 and Y lost to Cloud 66/33 so X = 1/4*1/3 of Cloud. Obviously not
so. So yeha, stop my random mutterings and explain, por favor. --- If all Christians acted like Christ, the whole world would be Christian. - Gandhi |
| From: Phediuk | Posted: 4/21/2004 6:42:23 PM | Message Detail |
| Match #18 Review: Agh! There goes my perfect bracket...Pokemon, why? Match #20 Preview: I forget what matchup this even is. It doesn't matter, though. This is just filler until we reach Perfect Dark vs. SotN. --- "Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle." -Toad in Super Mario Bros. |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 4/21/2004 6:43:24 PM | Message Detail |
| MGS vs. RE filler... my how things have changed in the last 5-6 years. --- If all Christians acted like Christ, the whole world would be Christian. - Gandhi |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 4/21/2004 6:43:53 PM | Message Detail |
| steve, I was kidding around, hence the "^_^". And becasue you said I was allowed, Slowflake: *** COMPARISONS GAME - Halo vs Starcraft *** Sales No contest. Halo has sold 3 million copies, but Starcraft has sold at least 5 million if I remember correctly, and it`s probably higher than that. Advantage: Starcraft Franchises If we count Starcraft in relation to thw BLIZZARD enterprise as a whole, then again, Starcraft wins. There are simply too many BLIZZARD games out there that have sold in the millions, continue to have fans today, and even now have hundreds of thousands of matches up on battle.net as we speak. Halo has the idea right, but they need a few more years before they can be called a "franchise". Advantage: Starcraft GameFAQs Status I`ll let Slowflake handle the h4rdc0r3 numbers. I just took a quick glance. Number of FAQs: Halo has around 15 FAQs. Starcraft has a lot more than that. Number of reviews: Halo if you directly compare Halo to Windows Starcraft. Add them all together, and Starcraft wins. Average review score: I think Starcraft has a slight edge, but again, I took a quick glance. Board activity: Counting the Starcraft: Ghost boards, Starcraft has nine boards. Halo has 5. You do the math. Advantage: Starcraft Summer Contests / Polls of the Day Here`s where it gets a bit wierd. In the one direct poll between BLIZZARD and Halo, Diablo 2 and Halo were both getting their asses whipped in one of our own "Game of the Year" polls. Halo had a very slight edge, but there is no way to know where all the votes going to the winner would have gone if it was simply Diablo 2 and Halo, or more specifically Halo and Starcraft. Advantage: Unavailable Intangibles It is well-documented by now that people could care less about the Xbox, and still play Starcraft. However, there are a lot of Halo fans out there who gather for their once-a-week Halo nights, and who knows how they`ll affect the poll. There`s also the issue with Korea and a possible battle.net spamming. There are also a ton of other factors going into this match, but I`ll leave those for Slowflake. This IS his post, after all. Advantage: Even Conclusion: This is going to be the best match of the first round hype-wise. I just hope it lives up, and I seriously hope Starcraft wins by one vote. That`s it, just one. --- MIASU! I think im going to mark this topic for being too intelligent for GameFAQs. -Tulidian |
| From: CidGregor | Posted: 4/21/2004 6:50:31 PM | Message Detail |
| Despite
the incredible odds against a 1-vote win, yes, I would love to see
that, too. But Starcraft will most likey win. The only thing that
wories me is that XBOXers might all rally behind Halo, as its one of
only 2 XBOX games on this alongside KOTOR. --- Now is the time to choose: Die, and be free of pain, OR LIVE, AND FIGHT YOUR SORROW! - Auron Heh Heh... The wind... It is blowing... - Ganondorf |
| From: creativename | Posted: 4/21/2004 7:59:50 PM | Message Detail |
| While
we got ya handy creative, I think at one point the quesion came up
while you weren't around: precisely what process did you use for your,
whatjamacallits, recursive rankings? Just curious how you got those
specific %s. I at first thought it was a simple process of X lost to Y
75/25 and Y lost to Cloud 66/33 so X = 1/4*1/3 of Cloud. Obviously not
so. So yeha, stop my random mutterings and explain, por favor. If Y lost to Cloud 66.6/33.3, Y=.5Cloud; X=.333Y; so X=.1666Cloud (1/2 * 1/3). Many others used this same system. For the sake of comparing across years, multiplying the SC2K3 Link Ratios by .9733 minimized the sum of squares difference between Link Ratios for those characters who were in both years (excluding Cloud, as he throws off the results more than anyone else, by far). So in other words when comparing characters across years I discounted the 2K3 performances by about 2.67%. This is just a tweak though, not very significant. The only thing that wories me is that XBOXers might all rally behind Halo, as its one of only 2 XBOX games on this alongside KOTOR. The "rallying" thing is not a real issue, unless it causes another large site to campaign for votes. --- Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4! SC2K4.com |
| From: Tai | Posted: 4/21/2004 9:43:02 PM | Message Detail |
| Pokemon
Fanboy: I think you mixed up my point, along with smitself. I was
saying "No, I don't wanna" to shutting up. Sorry I confused both of you. Now...why do I say Pokemon sucks after playing two of it's games? Because I thought the two games I played blew! That means I said they sucked, I'm not sure if you confused that with something else, but I said Pokemon Red and Gold sucked, and that's why I don't like Pokemon and thought Xenogears deserved to win. It's called an opinion. Understand that? smitself: How did you..never mind, I'll be straight up: your post is illogical. -__________- And, as has already been stated, if Pokemon does indeed blow so hard, then why did you play Gold after being so heartily dissatisfied with Red? I rarely call people on statements I find suspicious but your claim is so obviously contrived that I have no choice but to believe you to be lying. I didn't like the games, cause they seemed childish. Got Red, it blew. Got Gold hoping it would be better, but I was dissappointed instead. -________- Said, "**** Pokemon and it's stupid-ass games. How the hell people like this ****?" And that's why I hate Pokemon. Clear on that? Hope you are..see, you seem to be so clear on the fact I hate Pokemon (Don't you?!), yet you don't think I probably hated it's games as well. -_________- Think about it... Oh, I see, you hate Square *so much* that you will vote for a Square game you’ve never played (I’m assuming you haven’t since you hate Square so much) over another game you’ve never played. No, it's POKEMON I hate so much that I will vote any game, including a Square one, over Pokemon, which, as explained above, I DID play! Ok, it's obvious you based your whole arguement off thinking I didn't play the Pokemon games. Again..you don't think I played the games...yet by that part of your arguement, it doesn't look like you understood the fact that I hate POKEMON more then I hate Square. You spelled “kiddy” wrong <sarcasm>Omg, a typo!! Fly to the moon! It's gonna blow the whole earth to pieces!!!</sarcasm> Seriously, your point? I only added an extra D. --- Welcome to Sp2CK4, where your opinion does not matter. -Xenobi. |
| From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 4/21/2004 9:45:38 PM | Message Detail |
| Why did you hate Pokemon? Other than it was "childish". --- Nintendo® - The Beginning and the End Heroic Mario`s back! Bigger and badder than ever before! |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 4/21/2004 9:49:17 PM | Message Detail |
| If Y lost to Cloud 66.6/33.3, Y=.5Cloud; X=.333Y; so X=.1666Cloud (1/2 * 1/3). If I had been thinking straight, which I wasn't because my friends were over and I wanted to go watch a dvd, I would have been able to think clearly enough to remember to change my fractions... Oh well, not that important for that point. I do, however, remember someone voiced some concerns that the math didn't come out as expected on some of the characters though. Maybe they didn't take into account the difference from 2k2, can't really say. --- If all Christians acted like Christ, the whole world would be Christian. - Gandhi |
| From: cyko | Posted: 4/22/2004 4:42:02 AM | Message Detail |
| anyone still believe that the extra poll doesn't lower match totals? Top 5 Biggest Blowouts (difference in percentage) 1) 90.40% - Legend of Zelda over Adventure 2) 82.30% - Legend of Zelda : LTTP over Gunstar Heroes 3) 75.28% - Final Fantasy over Pitfall 4) 71.26% - Final Fantasy 7 over Suikoden 2 5) 66.58% - Super Metroid over Phantasy Star 4 Top 5 Biggest Vote Gaps (difference in votes) 1) 88208 - Legend of Zelda over Adventure 2) 78272 - Legend of Zelda : LTTP over Gunstar Heroes 3) 76348 - Final Fantasy 7 over Suikoden 2 4) 74682 - Final Fantasy over Pitfall 5) 61229 - Super Mario World over The Simpsons Top 5 Closest Matches (difference in percentage) 1) 0.14% - Donkey Kong over Duck Hunt 2) 12.48% - Super Mario RPG over Street Fighter 2 3) 14.08% - Doom over Earthbound 4) 15.90% - Xenogears over Pokemon G/S/C * 5) 22.04% - Contra over Phantasy Star Top 5 Smallest Vote Gaps (difference in votes) 1) 143 - Donkey Kong over Duck Hunt 2) 11114 - Xenogears over Pokemon G/S/C * 3) 12076 - Super Mario RPG over Street Fighter 2 4) 12164 - Doom over Earthbound 5) 20080 - Contra over Phantasy Star Top 5 Most Popular Polls (by vote totals) 1) 107150 - Final Fantasy 7 vs. Suikoden 2 2) 99194 - Final Fantasy vs. Pitfall 3) 97580 - Legend of Zelda vs. Adventure 4) 97285 - Super Mario World vs. The Simpsons 5) 97126 - Sonic 2 vs. Shining Force Top 5 Least Popular Polls (by vote totals) 1) 69876 - Xenogears over Pokemon G/S/C * 2) 72743 - Metroid vs. Pac-Man * 3) 74556 - Super Mario Bros. 3 vs. Metal Gear * 4) 79390 - Final Fantasy Tactics vs. Dance Dance Revolution * 5) 84501 - Tetris vs. Galaga Top 5 Highest Individual Votes 1) 92894 - Legend of Zelda 2) 91749 - Final Fantasy 7 3) 86938 - Final Fantasy 4) 86690 - Legend of Zelda: LTTP 5) 79257 - Super Mario World Top 5 Lowest Individual Votes 1) 4686 - Adventure 2) 8418 - Gunstar Heroes 3) 12256 - Pitfall 4) 13197 - Metal Gear 5) 14144 - Phantasy Star 4 Top 5 Most Impressive Losers (by votes) 1) 48444 - Duck Hunt 2) 42314 - Street Fighter 2 3) 37127 - Earthbound 4) 35513 - Phantasy Star 5) 29381 - Pokemon G/S/C * Top 5 Least Impressive Winners (by votes) 1) 40495 - Xenogears * 2) 48587 - Donkey Kong 3) 49291 - Doom 4) 49837 - Metroid * 5) 54390 - Super Mario RPG Top 5 Easiest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner) 1) still, no data yet..... 2) 3) 4) 5) Top 5 Hardest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner) 1) no data yet...... hopefully soon......... please.......... 2) 3) 4) 5) * = shared PotD with GameRiot or ESPN poll --- Current Score: 18/20 (through MGS vs RE) ?????/????? with ???? other people A WINNER of Trivia 12 |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 4/22/2004 4:49:25 AM | Message Detail |
| Now
I'm convinced that Tai is a troll so no more responses from me. Moments
like this remind me of Gabe's Total **** Wad Theory over at Penny
Arcade. Anyway, nice performance from Metal Gear Solid thus far. Looks like RE is all washed up, along with Final Fantasy Tactics in the next round. --- Engaged to MWIS 04/07/04 Current Sp2K4 Score: 17/18, Next Winner: Final Fantasy Tactics |
| From: steve illumina | Posted: 4/22/2004 5:13:19 AM | Message Detail |
| Well here we go kiddies :) Time for... Steve Illumina Speaks Thats right, the infamous yet humorous commentary is back, to go with all the rest of us here in this, the greatest of threads, the most worthy of postings on this fanboy dominated board. And so it continues, with two of the contests' worst seeding errors in the "Golden Age" Division Match XXI (6)Perfect Dark vs (11)Castlevania: Symphony of the Night Steve's Prediction: Castlevania by 63.3% Steve's Bracket: Castlevania Newbie's Pick: Bang! Boom! Perfect! Upset Chances: Id bet $1000 in Vegas on it, I am that sure Comments: Here we got a great 6 vs 11 matchup between two solid award winning best selling but wrongly seeded games. Rare's last true shining beacon...Perfect Dark was a N64 must buy that is finally getting the sequel treatment on everybody's favorite black and green system. Course it wont be here til 2005 or beyond due to Rare's unfathomable delay process. Worse than Nintendo when it comes to delays...but that is another matter altogether! This is when Rare knew how to make good games. Since Nintendo sold them off to Microdough, they have flopped worse than the Blue Jays and Phillies this year. Grabbed by the Ghoulies??? Please... As good as Dark was, in its day it was slightly overshadowed by all the other N64 must haves, particularly the hallowed Zelda games. But enough people bought it and loved it to get it in here through Ceej's flawed nomination system. Now onto Castlevania...this is a gem too...the gem of a series that has spanned 17 yrs of games. One of the few series that keeps staying fresh and solid and true to its roots every year while still adapting and offering new elements. Take a look at the boss Death..the coolest boss in these games...he is there in each and every one...and is one of my personal favs. Keeps getting better and cooler, yet stays true to the legacy. Would be a great #16 seed just cause...oh how an elite can dream! Instead his spot this summer will be taken by some fourth tier FF character like Cait Sith or Zell. For shame... Anyways, this match with the misguided seeding will be good. But it will go the way of the underseeded Symphony. Should have been the 7 vs 10 match...that will be a blowout. Pray tell Ceej refines the process next year to keep duds out...or at least place them properly. Oh well. Probable Results: The Symphony, aka Aria, Harmony, Lament, Concerto, Circle, and all that, will strike the chord and feast on the soul of Perfect Dark this night. Steve's Moments: Perfect Dark: Great game, but its no Goldeneye. Symphony: So good, I bought the soundtrack! --- SC2K4: 17/20! Read my Satirical Contest Commentary! Steve Illumina: Standing tall against fanboys for over 20 years |
| From: Tai | Posted: 4/22/2004 7:12:55 AM | Message Detail |
| Why did you hate Pokemon? Other than it was "childish". Gee, I don't know...for the millionth time...Because of it's games!! >_<' For real, you really didn't see that in my post or did you just ignore it because you thought it was "trolling" too? OH, or do you think I'm lying too? Really, you're making me feel like I'm missing something. smitself: It's people like you that don't make me give a [ ] about how obnoxious my bashing is when they're other people around who can be potentially no different from who they claim I am. It's people like you that instead of thinking they put me in my place, will just motivate me to do continue being anti-Square. Welcome to Spc2k4, where you suck if you presume someone else's opinions. Good day. Anyways, on to more intelligent conversation: Go Perfect Dark! :-) (A game I've *ahem* PLAYED and liked. ) --- Welcome to SpC2k4, where you suck if you presume someone else's opinions. - Tai. (Yes I made it today.) |
| From: steve illumina | Posted: 4/22/2004 8:44:22 AM | Message Detail |
| Tai,
I agree with you..The Pokemon games are crap, and I have played them so
I have the right to say so. Heck, I got the right to say whatever I
want...I am an Elite Expert Commentator :) Damn, I should trademark
that one... As for Pokecrap...it and its fanboys failed me..cost me a point to overrated Xenogears...so I dont wanna talk bout that crap no more! --- SC2K4: 17/20 Read my Satirical Contest Commentary! Steve Illumina: Standing tall against fanboys for over 20 years |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 4/22/2004 9:04:02 AM | Message Detail |
| Nice post, steve. And personally, I think MGS might be in trouble. Yes, it`s beating RE with ease, but the vote totals are the real story here. FFT drew more votes by this time yesterday. If this happens in a couple of weeks, MGS could be in for an early exit. --- MIASU! I think im going to mark this topic for being too intelligent for GameFAQs. -Tulidian |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 4/22/2004 9:44:19 AM | Message Detail |
| And
personally, I think MGS might be in trouble. Yes, it`s beating RE with
ease, but the vote totals are the real story here. FFT drew more votes
by this time yesterday. If this happens in a couple of weeks, MGS could
be in for an early exit. Just to clarify, do you mean that FFT itself had more votes, that the poll had more votes, or both? I wasn't around too much yesterday so humor me. Ironically, you just reminded me that I myself have yet to vote today...err, I'll go do that now. --- Engaged to MWIS 04/07/04 Current Sp2K4 Score: 17/18, Next Winner: Final Fantasy Tactics |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 4/22/2004 9:51:36 AM | Message Detail |
| smitself:
It's people like you that don't make me give a [ ] about how obnoxious
my bashing is when they're other people around who can be potentially
no different from who they claim I am. If you don’t want to fix one of your own faults then I couldn't care less about encouraging you. I don’t even know you – what makes you think I care about how obnoxious you are? It's people like you that instead of thinking they put me in my place, will just motivate me to do continue being anti-Square. Why would I care if you want to label yourself as anti-(insert company here)? Welcome to Spc2k4, where you suck if you presume someone else's opinions. Good day. Welcome to Spc2k4, where you suck if you presume I care about your opinions when I already believe you to be a liar. Good day. --- Engaged to MWIS 04/07/04 Current Sp2K4 Score: 17/18, Next Winner: Final Fantasy Tactics |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 4/22/2004 10:05:31 AM | Message Detail |
| I
was referring to FFT`s poll overall getting more votes. FFT could win a
close match based on MGS simply not having enough power. --- MIASU! *married to metroid composite* I think I`m going to mark this topic for being too intelligent for GameFAQs. -Tulidian |
| From: Tai | Posted: 4/22/2004 10:47:11 AM | Message Detail |
| Welcome to Spc2k4, where you suck if you presume I care about your opinions when I already believe you to be a liar. Good day. What? Because I'm a liar? I said that I hated Pokemon's games, and that's why I hate Pokemon and thought that Xenogears deserved victory over it. That's called an opinion: I hate Pokemon because of it's games. What am I lying about? That I hate Pokemon? That I hate Square? See, that's exactly what I'm talking about. YOU are obnoxious and that's why people like you make me not wanna give a [ ] about how obnoxious they claim my bashing of something is, cause they just turn around and do something obnoxious back, giving me the impression that what I say is true. What you're doing that's obnoxious is presuming I'm lying about playing Pokemon's games, hating the games, and hating Pokemon because of it, or whatever you thinking I'm lying about. But HOW am I lying? You based your whole arguement off thinking I'm lying about something, and if I didn't lie, you don't have an arguement. --- Welcome to SpC2k4, where you suck if you presume someone else's opinions.- Tai. |
| From: NeoElfboy | Posted: 4/22/2004 10:59:36 AM | Message Detail |
| I don't see FFT having a chance against MGS (and I love FFT). 70% against Resident Evil is a lot more impressive than 80% against Dance Dance Revolution in my books. Oh, and Pokemon is a good game. Even if you believe otherwise, could certain people please stop trolling others over it? I consider River City Ransom a bad game, but that doesn't mean I make a point of baiting its fans over this in what is supposed to be an even-handed discussion topic. Trolling is bad, m'kay? So don't do it. |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 4/22/2004 11:03:05 AM | Message Detail |
| No
worries Ulti, Resident Evil carries a hell of a lot more weight on
GameFAQs than DDR ever could. Most of your usual DDR fans are hanging
out on the DDRFreak forums, or places like DDRei, DDRmaniaX, or
Bemanistyle. Not to mention while the game does have a rather hardcore
fanbase AND likewise pulls in a large portion of casual players who see
it in the arcade and thinks it looks fun, worldwide sales show that the
first RE alone has sold more than every version of DDR combined. Plus,
this is still GameFAQs. Poeple don't need to come here to learn about
DDR, but RE could require a visit or ten. People who play games that
require more FAQ visits are more likley to come here on a regular or
semi-regular basis and therefore are more likely to get their vote in.
That is, afterall, why the site is RPG biased. That being said, MGS's
lower % is not indicative of a round 2 loss. --- If all Christians acted like Christ, the whole world would be Christian. - Gandhi |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 4/22/2004 11:08:11 AM | Message Detail |
| At
this point I agree with Neo. We all know who likes or dislikes Pokemon
now. We all know who thinks who is full of **** or full of themselves
(or full of both). We all know all there is to know about the matter,
so can we give it up already? Hell, even I haven't ever gone on
trashing a game for this long. Smitelf - Tai is nothing more than a fanboy, he'll never change his mind so just get over it. Tai - Smitelf is a ***** who likes to argue with people, if you can't enjoy it as much as she does then just don't argue with her. --- If all Christians acted like Christ, the whole world would be Christian. - Gandhi |
| From: steve illumina | Posted: 4/22/2004 11:24:51 AM | Message Detail |
| I
was referring to FFT`s poll overall getting more votes. FFT could win a
close match based on MGS simply not having enough power. I agree 100%..this is the basis of my theory for MGS to fall to Tactics...as I will elaborate on the day before the match in a few weeks. So, nice post Ulti! --- SC2K4: 17/20! Read my Satirical Contest Commentary! Steve Illumina: Standing tall against fanboys for over 20 years |
| From: Tai | Posted: 4/22/2004 11:25:59 AM | Message Detail |
| Smitelf is a ***** who likes to argue with people, if you can't enjoy it as much as she does then just don't argue with her. What I don't enjoy is people saying I'm lying when they can't prove it. She's talking out her ass . So indeed I'm done with an ******** like her. :-) --- Welcome to SpC2k4, where you suck if you presume someone else's opinions.- Tai. |
| From: steve illumina | Posted: 4/22/2004 11:29:45 AM | Message Detail |
| Wait...are
u all sure there is a real gamer girl on this thread? With all the
idiot posers pretending to be girls on the Spring Contest 2K4 board, I
would like to be totally sure smitelf is a girl. So if u are a girl, then u go girl! I for one think its great a gamer girl is helping all us elites and experts in contributing to this, the best thread on this fanboy laden board. Any other real girls here on this thread I am not aware of? --- SC2K4: 17/20! Read my Satirical Contest Commentary! Steve Illumina: Standing tall against fanboys for over 20 years |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 4/22/2004 1:27:16 PM | Message Detail |
| Don't
worry Chichiri, I've had my fill of the troll for today, mostly because
I'm too damn tired after my second exam of the day to bother even
reading its tiresome nonsense. Wait...are u all sure there is a real gamer girl on this thread? With all the idiot posers pretending to be girls on the Spring Contest 2K4 board, I would like to be totally sure smitelf is a girl. So if u are a girl, then u go girl! I for one think its great a gamer girl is helping all us elites and experts in contributing to this, the best thread on this fanboy laden board. No offense, steve, because I’m sure you mean well, but I’d rather not be known as “smitelf – the girl gamer!” on the boards. I’d rather be known as an intelligent poster or a ***** (take your pick, I'm not fussy). What I have or don't have hanging between my legs doesn't make my opinion any more or less relevent. --- Engaged to MWIS 04/07/04 Current Sp2K4 Score: 17/18, Next Winner: Final Fantasy Tactics |
| From: creativename | Posted: 4/22/2004 1:29:15 PM | Message Detail |
| And
personally, I think MGS might be in trouble. Yes, it`s beating RE with
ease, but the vote totals are the real story here. FFT drew more votes
by this time yesterday. Doesn't matter. It can draw extra votes both for and against it--and that's assuming the total vote difference isn't because of something totally external to the contest. It's the % that counts. --- Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4! SC2K4.com |
| From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 4/22/2004 1:38:12 PM | Message Detail |
| Okay
I will ask you this once again and maybe if you listen real well you`ll
get it this time: Why do you hate Pokemon? I want a real reason why you
dislike the games, all I heard from you is, "Oooh I`m so cool and the
games are so childish their for 8 years olds" of course with less than
spectacular grammar. >_> If you can`t give me a reason well then I have to say you are nothing more than someone who thinks he`s "cool". --- Nintendo® - The Beginning and the End Heroic Mario`s back! Bigger and badder than ever before! |
| From: steve illumina | Posted: 4/22/2004 1:40:10 PM | Message Detail |
| No
offense, steve, because I’m sure you mean well, but I’d rather not be
known as “smitelf – the girl gamer!” on the boards. I’d rather be known
as an intelligent poster or a ***** (take your pick, I'm not fussy).
What I have or don't have hanging between my legs doesn't make my
opinion any more or less relevent. Its all good. Ill call ya an intelligent poster and leave it at that :) I wont refer to ya in any other way! --- SC2K4: 17/20! Read my Satirical Contest Commentary! Steve Illumina: Standing tall against fanboys for over 20 years |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 4/22/2004 2:01:24 PM | Message Detail |
| I
was referring to FFT`s poll overall getting more votes. FFT could win a
close match based on MGS simply not having enough power. Let's not forget that whether or not the FFT vs. MGS poll gets lucky and has its deserved spot at the top right will affect the vote totals by possibly 20,000+ votes. I’m not sure that we can discuss vote totals at all anymore because of Ceej’s ad campaign. Even if you're right and FFT is more of a draw, that factor might be diffused by the 20,000 people missing the polls the past few days. --- Engaged to MWIS 04/07/04 Current Sp2K4 Score: 18/19, Next Winner: Metal Gear Solid |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 4/22/2004 2:09:55 PM | Message Detail |
| Just to clarify my meaning in my last post... If Final Fantasy Tactics is attracting a few thousand more voters then those people matter less in a poll with huge numbers. Of course, if it's a percentage of the vote that we're talking about that will vote in a FFT poll but not a MGS poll, then you might have a point, but those 20,000 people are more likely to be users who don't care which games are in the polls (since they obviously don't care enough to look down a couple inches for *either* game). I think the percentage is more important, anyway. Tactics got 76% against an arcade game. Metal Gear Solid is getting 70% against Resident Evil, a game I consider to be significantly stronger than DDR. --- Engaged to MWIS 04/07/04 Current Sp2K4 Score: 18/19, Next Winner: Metal Gear Solid |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 4/22/2004 2:10:37 PM | Message Detail |
| The
Final Fantasy name helps FFT, but all things considered FFT still
doesn't get the full benefit. Besides that, on a site like this RE
would probably have taken 80% on DDR as well. I really don't have any
misgivings about my pick next round, and that's always a good sign.
Only times i've ever been wrong are ones that made me worried. I didn't
worry about Xenogears, and I don't feel a need to worry about MGS next
round. --- If all Christians acted like Christ, the whole world would be Christian. - Gandhi |
| From: Haste2 | Posted: 4/22/2004 2:37:21 PM | Message Detail |
| Tai, I agree with you..The Pokemon games are crap, and I have played them so I have the right to say so. Steve, I could always challenge you and beat the snot out of you in a Pokemon battle (well, not R/S, but RBY and possibly GSC). Unless you've went in-depth with battle strategies (in fact, online battles is the only reason I like Pokemon, er, at least now) you still have no right to bash on it. No 8-year old could understand the strategies and mechanics of the Pokemon games, especially the Ruby and Sapphire versions. Looking ahead at SotN vs. Perfect Dark...don't be shocked if Perfect Dark wins it. Even though I still think it's much weaker than Goldeneye (I'm relying on that to pull SotN through), it still has sold a good deal, and many more copies than SotN. --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| From: steve illumina | Posted: 4/22/2004 2:56:32 PM | Message Detail |
| LOL Can we play chess instead, Haste2? :) --- SC2K4: 15/18! Read my Satirical Contest Commentary! Steve Illumina: Standing tall against fanboys for over 20 years |
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