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| From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 4/25/2004 2:20:29 PM | Message Detail |
| I`m hoping SM64 could at least crack 40%, but that`s just my hoping... =\ --- Nintendo® - The Beginning and the End I know what you`re thinking...all this power, AND looks, too! - Bowser |
| From: DavidThompson471 | Posted: 4/25/2004 2:20:47 PM | Message Detail |
| bump --- I hate cry baby's and bad losers |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 4/25/2004 2:59:18 PM | Message Detail |
| Heroic Mario: I have no idea what Fallout 2 is myself, other than its a PC RPG from what I hear around the board. Slowflake: I got no idea what Fallout 2 is, either. But for some reason the name sounds familiar. I am ashamed. ASHAMED, I say. --- Engaged to MWIS 04/07/04 Current Sp2K4 Score: 21/22, Next Winner: Super Mario 64 |
| From: Starion | Posted: 4/25/2004 3:02:38 PM | Message Detail |
| Can
you blame us? When I heard that name I initially thought the game was a
FPS like Halo or Doom that dealt with mutants or something. The name
just screams shooter. --- Sp2004 Score:20/22 Today's Pick: Mario Nominate Death for the 2004 Character Contest |
| From: Starion | Posted: 4/25/2004 3:02:38 PM | Message Detail |
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| From: Heroic Tails | Posted: 4/25/2004 3:04:28 PM | Message Detail |
| Zelda has done this against the two worst games in the contest. That's why I can't wait for OoT breaking 90% against a game nobody will dare call fodder. Oh, and I've heard of Fallout. It's considered by hardcore PC RPG gamers one of the best PC RPG ever. I even tried it, but I find Spidweb's RPGs much more entertaining. --- Sign my petition! http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=7&topic=13754679 |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 4/25/2004 3:14:22 PM | Message Detail |
| Tai, Zelda is not the only series that could get 90% against those two games, and you damned well know it. --- Boards Hunted: 4098 I would like to take this moment to politely and sincerely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 4/25/2004 4:35:45 PM | Message Detail |
| Can you blame us? Apparently. It's considered by hardcore PC RPG gamers one of the best PC RPG ever. I wouldn’t say “hardcore”. It’s a pretty mainstream game. It wouldn’t be in the contest otherwise, considering the competition it had for one of the meager PC nominations handed out. I didn’t like it that much, myself, but I can see the appeal. --- Engaged to MWIS 04/07/04 Current Sp2K4 Score: 21/22, Next Winner: Super Mario 64 |
| From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 4/25/2004 4:36:32 PM | Message Detail |
| I don`t play PC games. =\ --- Nintendo® - The Beginning and the End I know what you`re thinking...all this power, AND looks, too! - Bowser |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 4/25/2004 4:37:18 PM | Message Detail |
| I don`t play PC games. =\ I hereby revoke your license to exist. --- Engaged to MWIS 04/07/04 Current Sp2K4 Score: 21/22, Next Winner: Super Mario 64 |
| From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 4/25/2004 4:39:17 PM | Message Detail |
| Bah, I prefer console to anything PC my preference though. >> --- Nintendo® - The Beginning and the End I know what you`re thinking...all this power, AND looks, too! - Bowser |
| From: Starion | Posted: 4/25/2004 4:39:18 PM | Message Detail |
| Speaking of the PC, I honestly think its getting harder and harder for the casual gamers to play games on the computer. --- Sp2004 Score:20/22 Today's Pick: Mario Nominate Death for the 2004 Character Contest |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 4/25/2004 4:42:49 PM | Message Detail |
| Speaking of the PC, I honestly think its getting harder and harder for the casual gamers to play games on the computer. If you mean the hardware requirements then I agree. KOTOR is ridiculous. I'm going to be buying $3000 worth of hardware this summer because of games like that. --- Engaged to MWIS 04/07/04 Current Sp2K4 Score: 21/22, Next Winner: Super Mario 64 |
| From: Starion | Posted: 4/25/2004 4:44:43 PM | Message Detail |
| It's
not just that. You have subscription fees to worry about for some games
too. It's strange. I'm not a hardcore PC player by an means but PC
games in the past were far more accessible. --- Sp2004 Score:20/22 Today's Pick: Mario Nominate Death for the 2004 Character Contest |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 4/25/2004 4:46:09 PM | Message Detail |
| It's not just that. You have subscription fees to worry about for some games too. That's just for MMORPGs. Most of them suck, anyway, although somehow I might get suckered into buying City of Heroes despite my experience with Star Wars: Galaxies. --- Engaged to MWIS 04/07/04 Current Sp2K4 Score: 21/22, Next Winner: Super Mario 64 |
| From: Tai | Posted: 4/25/2004 5:00:15 PM | Message Detail |
| Tai, Zelda is not the only series that could get 90% against those two games, and you damned well know it. You're right what am I thinking...dude, do you really think I give a [ ] about the "what if" on that? No! Zelda got them, Zelda series flattened it's two opponents 91% and 95%, and that's that. And if it does the same against Fallout 2, which you all say is not fodder, then FFVII's blood will turn colder than Antartica..I hope. >_> Yes, I'm being the fanboy you know and get..amused by...yeah..anyways: Mega Man did this same thing in 2002 as well and he lost third round. I could have acutally reconsidered what I think if that was like..let's see..maybe Mario, Link, or Cloud..or Sephiroth? But Mega Man?! I don't give a damn about Mega Man! Who gives a damn about Megaman?! The Mario, Zelda, Metroid, and FF series pwns his series everyday their games are in this contest and Mega Man's games are not. Where are some MM games? I don't see any MM games! Oh look, a Sonic game! Come on, SONIC got one over MM! Omg what logic is there to Megaman's lack of games compared to 5 other franchises? Oh! I know, I know! HE SUCKS [ ]! No, really, remember this: Zelda Series > Megaman Series. Mario Series > Megaman Series. Final Fantasy Series > Megman Series. Metroid Series > Megaman Series. And apart from any other facts, here's why: The 4 strong series are in this contest, Megaman is not. Simple..as..that. The Zelda Series are some of the top dogs here. Megaman's series..suck. --- Welcome to SpC2k4, where you suck if you presume someone else's opinions.- Tai. |
| From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 4/25/2004 5:06:37 PM | Message Detail |
| You're
right what am I thinking...dude, do you really think I give a [ ] about
the "what if" on that? No! Zelda got them, Zelda series flattened it's
two opponents 91% and 95%, and that's that. And if it does the same
against Fallout 2, which you all say is not fodder, then FFVII's blood
will turn colder than Antartica..I hope. >_> That`s because Zelda was against the two weakest entries into the contest, if you put FFVII or SMB3 (both from a different series) they would`ve easily racked up over 90% as well thus putting your agrument about Zelda being the only series capable of 90% down the drain. Both of those games were fodder, to say that the best game frome each series couldn`t obtain over 90% on Adventure is nothing but being blind to facts. I could have acutally reconsidered what I think if that was like..let's see..maybe Mario, Link, or Cloud..or Sephiroth? But Mega Man?! I don't give a damn about Mega Man! Who gives a damn about Megaman?! The Mario, Zelda, Metroid, and FF series pwns his series everyday their games are in this contest and Mega Man's games are not. Where are some MM games? I don't see any MM games! Oh look, a Sonic game! Come on, SONIC got one over MM! Omg what logic is there to Megaman's lack of games compared to 5 other franchises? Oh! I know, I know! HE SUCKS [ ]! I happen to like Mega Man thank you very much. He`s one of my favorite characters and comes from my second favorite gaming series, so whether or not you care about him the fact is he was looking amazing with getting two 90%+ blowouts yet he managed to lose. What I`m saying here is that just because a game can get 90%+ doesn`t mean its going to win or is bound to win. And if you ask me the Mega Man franchise is easily better than Sonic and Final Fantasy. No, really, remember this: Zelda Series > Megaman Series. Mario Series > Megaman Series. Final Fantasy Series > Megman Series. Metroid Series > Megaman Series. I disagree with a good number of those, so don`t pass them off as fact. And apart from any other facts, here's why: The 4 strong series are in this contest, Megaman is not. Simple..as..that. The Zelda Series are some of the top dogs here. Megaman's series..suck. Mega Man the character was the 4th strongest character last year, slightly ahead of Mario (;_;), so to say he isn`t strong would be false but overall his series probably isn`t as strong seeing as how he couldn`t get a game into the contest (Which still makes me mad). But yes, the Zelda series is stronger than the Mega Man series. --- Nintendo® - The Beginning and the End I know what you`re thinking...all this power, AND looks, too! - Bowser |
| From: FastFalcon05 | Posted: 4/25/2004 5:10:33 PM | Message Detail |
| Even
if it was statistically true though, I doubt MegaMan would beat Mario.
But it really isn't too fair, although we did the nominations
ourselves, that a MegaMan game wasn't slipped in, because the series is
too great to not be recognized. --- Figure out the code, yay ^_^ wansoweyoirotniu |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 4/25/2004 5:13:40 PM | Message Detail |
| You're
right what am I thinking...dude, do you really think I give a [ ] about
the "what if" on that? No! Zelda got them, Zelda series flattened it's
two opponents 91% and 95%, and that's that. Quite possibly the most uneducated thing I have EVER seen, and I hang around degenerates for a living. Excuse me while I marvel at the incredible ability of Tai to make statements while doing nothing but backing them up with uneducated opinions and bolding. Forgive us oh mighty Fanboy Tai, for we are but pawns at your feet. Congratulations, you fail at having an actual debate. Makes me wonder why I tried saving your tainted contest in the first place, because I thought you were above such useless bull****. --- Boards Hunted: 4098 I would like to take this moment to politely and sincerely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 4/25/2004 5:19:19 PM | Message Detail |
| Oh
I forgot. Because Zelda games are the only ones to break 90% in
matches, no other games in the contest matters and it`s all over. This
according to Tai, and because of his almighty analysis skills,
the rest of us simpletons should turn in our rights to live. And of
course Tai`s complete inability to run a decent boot and immune contest
without allowing one person to control 85% of the voting should be
ignored in this case. God, these contests bring out the absolute worst of people. Such flawed reasoning and obvious trolling makes me wonder why half of us even stay around here to begin with. We could just as easily create a secret board to discuss these things and be on our way. --- Boards Hunted: 4098 I would like to take this moment to politely and sincerely orgasm over Ulti's Halo/Starcraft analysis. -smitelf |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/25/2004 5:40:33 PM | Message Detail |
| *** COMPARISONS GAME - Match #25 - (1) HALO: COMBAT EVOLVED vs. (16) STARCRAFT *** I know Ulti made a similar one, but there's some stuff I disagree with him on, plus he left me some stuff to do by myself, so for the sake of consistency, I'll do that one as well. Sales Halo sold 4 millions. Starcraft sold 5 millions. The only other round 1 match I can think of where both games sold in the seven digits is Prime/HL. And depends on whether KOTOR did or not. Wait, I'm going off-topic here. These two are big, VERY big sellers. Halo single-handedly saved the X-Box from being the Google entry for "miserable failure" in Bush's place. And Starcraft may just be the flagship of PC gaming. But hey, Starcraft sold better, even if only by 20%. Period. - Advantage STARCRAFT. Franchises Sure, Halo 2 and Starcraft: Ghost are coming our way, but for now the originals single-handedly represent their series. Since this match is so hard to call, it's only fair that this here category is too. And no, Diablo and Warcraft don't count: it's Halo vs. Starcraft, not Bungie vs. Blizzard. - TIE. (Though that should really read, the winner of the match wins this category.) GameFAQs Status Number of FAQs: Starcraft Number of reviews: Halo Average review score: Starcraft Board activity: Halo First off, I ought to mention what I counted as non-negligible sources: Halo for X-Box and PC, Starcraft for PC and N64, as well as Brood War. I don't count the Ghost boards, because it's a different game altogether. You have to be real careful when looking at the N64 Starcraft board though: most of these are really old topics (and I'll let you figure out the common point between these topics for laughs). Even there, summing up all the posts for Starcraft's three boards to Halo's two, Starcraft isn't coming close. Ulti just though "nine boards for Starcraft, five for Halo". Big mistake, Halo's boards are more populated. Now, the common point is that in all categories, the winner wins big. Two against two... what's there left to do but declaring this another... - TIE. Board Odds Project PICKS (out of 102) Halo: Combat Evolved - 67 Starcraft - 35 POINT VALUE 22. Halo: Combat Evolved - 127 28. Starcraft - 81 The battle in terms of picks was quite close all the time, even though Starcraft never got close enough. And in the final day, a sudden burst of Halo picks almost allowed it to double Starcraft. Now, we all think it's obvious that whatever wins is going to get steamrolled by Kingdom Hearts, right? Well, one out of four brackets in the BOP has Halo (14) or Starcraft (13) advancing further. Those who picked Starcraft to beat Halo have more faith in it to go far than those who picked Halo. And quite frankly, I agree with that: a big win for Starcraft would make it a legit threat to Kingdom Hearts, maybe even the four main contenders for the division title. While a big win by Halo would only highlight Starcraft's own weakness, and with it, the PC as a whole. But in the end, 2 out of 3 people picked Halo, so I have to render a verdict in its favor. - Advantage HALO. Summer Contests / Polls of the Day Master Chief was such a curveball last year, I just can't give anything to anyone here. Halo was in the 2001 GOTY poll, though: the competition was gigantic, with FF10, GTA3, SSBM and MGS2 snagging the first four places ahead of Halo. Interesting note: Halo beat Diablo 2 on that poll, and it still is one of the most talked about PC games on this site. So what conclusions can we draw from this, over two years later? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. - UNAVAILABLE. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 018/022 --- Matches: 18/22 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: SM64 |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/25/2004 5:41:14 PM | Message Detail |
| Intangibles The case for Starcraft: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=8&topic=13300223 Look for Ulti's analysis. Page 11 for those of you with 10 topics/page, beginning of page 3 for us with 50. That pretty much sums it up. That is, if I didn't have a few things to add. Sure, where PC draws indifference, X-Box is a lightning rod of hate. But need I remind you of what Ulti didn't, a very good 40% performance against Aeris? That shows that a lot of people will vote anything over X-Box, but a lot of people will vote X-Box over anything as well. That leaves a chaotic gray zone where anything can happen. Second, the spamming. Battle.net has a lot more potential than X-Box Live when it comes to spamming. But will the people actually bother? I can understand coming here through a link from PGC or Pojo, but in the middle of a Starcraft session? I think not. Odds are, they'll have forgotten about that quickly, or you'll have to harrass them, in which case they won't be any more interested. And I don't know if I can extrapolate from Diablo 2, but if I can, then forget about massive interference for Starcraft. Same goes for Koreans, except they can't spell. This isn't meant to be insulting, I'm merely telling what I saw on D2 B.net. But in the end, Starcraft still beats out Halo in pure potential. And that's what the "intangibles" category is all about, no? - Advantage STARCRAFT. Conclusion: This may be my longest preview yet, for a match that, from an overall point of view, isn't worth it. I mean, all this debate for one stinky point? Still, board peace hangs in the balance, as well as a perfect first round for the BOP. Honestly, I don't know why I put Halo to win. It just looks wrong. But then I take a screenshot of my bracket, edit to "Starcraft", and it looks just as wrong. On a final note, since MMX's QotD was somewhat of a let down, I'll just ask my own: Do you think Halo is a worse 1-seed than Lara Croft or Pac-Man? --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 018/022 --- Matches: 18/22 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: SM64 |
| From: RedDrago83 | Posted: 4/25/2004 5:44:03 PM | Message Detail |
| actually
halo's sales are 3Million not 4.. and 5Million for SC is North American
only, making it better selling then FF7 or OoT.. --- Protoss >> Covanent Starcraft >> Halo |
| From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 4/25/2004 5:45:22 PM | Message Detail |
| making it better selling then FF7 or OoT.. Incorrect. --- Nintendo® - The Beginning and the End I know what you`re thinking...all this power, AND looks, too! - Bowser |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/25/2004 5:45:53 PM | Message Detail |
| That 3M figure is one year old. I read it got to 4M since then. AND WILL YOU PLEASE STOP WITH THE FLAME WARS! --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 018/022 --- Matches: 18/22 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: SM64 |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/25/2004 5:48:18 PM | Message Detail |
| And
if Starcraft sold so much better than 5M, why isn't it on the top 20
games of all time, where 20th is at 6M? (OoT is at 6M, FF7 at 8M.) --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 018/022 --- Matches: 18/22 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: SM64 |
| From: RedDrago83 | Posted: 4/25/2004 6:07:09 PM | Message Detail |
| What flame?? http://www.the-magicbox.com/Chart-USPlatinum.htm if these numbers are even remotely correct.. Halo has outsold FF7.. FF7 at 2.45M and OoT at 3.57M I have proof to back me up.. what do you have? only north american numbers count for our purposes.. so saying OoT and FF7 have sold over 6M+ is wrong.. haven't found any direct quote for starcrafts sales.. but I am still looking.. but we both call it at 5M(ATM) and that is more then OoT or FF7 --- Protoss >> Covanent Starcraft >> Halo |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/25/2004 6:10:00 PM | Message Detail |
| Except
the world doesn't stop at America's borders. A good chunk of GameFAQs
visitors come from Canada, Europe and what not. I'll check the
percentages, but, still... FACT: FF7 and OoT outsold Halo and Starcraft worldwide. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 018/022 --- Matches: 18/22 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: SM64 |
| From: Tai | Posted: 4/25/2004 6:13:56 PM | Message Detail |
| I
happen to like Mega Man thank you very much. He`s one of my favorite
characters and comes from my second favorite gaming series, so whether
or not you care about him the fact is he was looking amazing with
getting two 90%+ blowouts yet he managed to lose. Hmm..two years ago..2002..the same year Pac-Man and Lara Croft were No.1 seeds. Damn..I can only WONDER what happened to them. *laughs* Oh yeah, I also believe Megaman faced......Sephiroth?!. Damn..what a [ ] no brainer for Megaman to lose to him, even though the margin of victory does seem amazingly close. But come on, I thought it was Aeris or something, you gotta be kidding me. Now, he faces him again in SC2K3. I'd think results would be similar....but..nope. Sephiroth handles Megaman a lot better. Weren't we off the fact Final Fantasy pwns Megaman everyday? We sure were. Didn't they control the Finals in SC2K3 and have at least one FF character reach at least the Final 4 in both summer contests, and two in SC2K3? They sure did. Could Megaman say he did that? He sure can't. Just one getting beaten by Sephiroth twice and one appereance in the Final 4. Does that mean he SUCKS compared to Final Fantasy?! It sure does!! Nah..Final Fantasy pwns Megaman. [ ] Megaman. No really.. You're not reading my posts. Most of you aren't *coughsmicough*.Link is NOT Megaman! Oh NOOOO! They're different in everyway, character, popularity, all. Look, LoZ and LttP can go and lose the next round for all I [ ] care..even thought there's little no chance that will actually happen. But you're talking out your ass if you think it's gonna be because what another game/character did in the past, especially when this game/charcater isn't really at the calibur of Zelda Series. Ok? Just tell me if you get THAT much..THAT much, and I'll shut up. But you gotta stop comparing Link to Megaman, you can't be serious....what have you been smoking, man?! Now..Halo and Starcraft...pfft, Halo probably won't make it far, but it's not that terrible. And Starcraft is not that good. Ulti's ******** logic that X-Box haters felt bad for X-Box, leading to Halo's No.1 seed, is the biggest [ ] I've ever heard. So anti-XBox people are hypocrites? *ROTFL hysterically* That hypocritsy was beautiful. Oh oh, I know one! <sarcasm>You know what's gonna happen?! The FF7 fanboys feel bad *giggles* for the fact FF7 is gonna win cause it's SOO overrated, and decide to anti-vote FF7 when it will most likely face OOT in the divison finals, causing FF7 to lose!!!</sarcasm> *ROTFL* Omfg you're so funny...*ROTFL* --- Welcome to SpC2k4, where you suck if you presume someone else's opinions.- Tai. |
| From: RedDrago83 | Posted: 4/25/2004 6:17:26 PM | Message Detail |
| "Except
the world doesn't stop at America's borders. A good chunk of GameFAQs
visitors come from Canada, Europe and what not. I'll check the
percentages, but, still..." Last I checked Canada was part of North America(which is what I said)... and Japan is as completely irrelevant in this poll as Korea is.. World wide.. FF7.. most likely.. OoT maybe.. http://www.gamespot.com/gamespot/features/all/greatestgames/p-5.html That would be gamespot saying Starcraft has sold over 6Million Worldwide(doesn't mention north america numbers.. can't seem to find..) and that was 9months ago.. and over 6M could mean 6.5 for all we know.. settle down, I was only trying to correct you not flame you.. Goldeneye has also outsold FF7 and OoT in North America.. doesn't mean it can compete with the big boys.. --- Protoss >> Covanent Starcraft >> Halo |
| From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 4/25/2004 6:17:54 PM | Message Detail |
| American
sales mean nothing in comparison to the big picture, yes worldwide,
where both OoT and FFVII outsold Halo and StarCraft. --- Nintendo® - The Beginning and the End I know what you`re thinking...all this power, AND looks, too! - Bowser |
| From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 4/25/2004 6:19:48 PM | Message Detail |
| 1. "Super Mario Bros." for NES: 40 Million Units 2. "Tetris" for Gameboy: 33 Million Units 3. "Super Mario Bros. 3" for NES: 18 Million Units 4. "Super Mario World" for SNES: 17 Million Units 5. "Super Mario Land" for Gameboy: 14 Million Units 6. "Super Mario 64" for N64: 11 Million Units 7. "The Sims" for PC: 10 Million Units 8. "Super Mario Bros. 2" for NES: 10 Million Units 9. "Grand Theft Auto: Vice City" for PS2: 8.5 Million Units 10. "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone" for PSX: 8 Million Units 11. "GoldenEye" for N64: 8 Million Units 12. "Donkey Kong Country" for SNES: 8 Million Units 13. "Super Mario Kart" for SNES: 8 Million Units 14. "Pokemon Red/Blue" for Gameboy: 8 Million Units 15. "Half-Life" for PC: 8 Million Units 16. "Tomb Raider II" for PSX: 8 Million Units 17. "Final Fantasy VII" for PSX: 7.8 Million Units 18. "Myst" for PC: 7 Million Units 19. "Gran Turismo 3" for PS2: 7 Million Units 20. "Dragon Warrior VII" for PS2: 6 Million Units http://www.ownt.com/qtakes/2003/gamestats/gamestats.shtm --- Nintendo® - The Beginning and the End I know what you`re thinking...all this power, AND looks, too! - Bowser |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/25/2004 6:23:09 PM | Message Detail |
| And it also says on the same page OoT sold 6M. This is one year old, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was higher now. Hey, I got a question. In whatever Starcraft's sales numbers, is Brood War actually counted, or is it a completely separate entity? I'd be inclined to think the latter, but I'm not sure. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 018/022 --- Matches: 18/22 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: SM64 |
| From: RedDrago83 | Posted: 4/25/2004 6:24:17 PM | Message Detail |
| http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1560 According to this poll 15% of people live in europe.. meaning North Americans make up 75-85% of the poll.. thus what they count for the majority of "the big picture" and Who is saying Starcraft isn't popular in europe.. the only region you can say defintively that OoT outsold Starcraft in is Japan.. not that any of this matters.. I am just being logical --- Protoss >> Covanent Starcraft >> Halo |
| From: DomaDragoon | Posted: 4/25/2004 6:25:37 PM | Message Detail |
| Hey,
I got a question. In whatever Starcraft's sales numbers, is Brood War
actually counted, or is it a completely separate entity? Brood War is considered separate from Starcraft. The question is, is Starcraft considered separate from the Starcraft Battle Chest? --- Smart Ask! National Champion (2003) www.rpgdl.com |
| From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 4/25/2004 6:27:09 PM | Message Detail |
| Overall,
the sales don`t mean to much when it comes to about 100,000 voters
(most of the time less) voting in polls. Pretty much everyone here has
at one point in time heard or played most of the more popular titles
(StarCraft and Halo for example). And yeah, the sales data was as of May 31, 2003. And it wouldn`t surprise me to see it count Brood War sales though I don`t think it did... --- Nintendo® - The Beginning and the End I know what you`re thinking...all this power, AND looks, too! - Bowser |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/25/2004 6:28:44 PM | Message Detail |
| 75-85% ain't going to cut it. Europe made a massive difference at the beginning of the SF2/SMRPG if you don't remember. Besides, it's not like sales actually matter... Half-Life, which sold over 8 million, will get at least doubled by a game which I doubt has sold 2 million. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 018/022 --- Matches: 18/22 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: SM64 |
| From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 4/25/2004 6:32:39 PM | Message Detail |
| I
do believe Metroid Prime sold a little over 2 million copies, but this
is mostly due to NA and Europe. Japan isn`t big on the Metroid series. --- Nintendo® - The Beginning and the End I know what you`re thinking...all this power, AND looks, too! - Bowser |
| From: RedDrago83 | Posted: 4/25/2004 6:36:03 PM | Message Detail |
| as to whether it is starcraft or both.. not sure... I would say it probably includes battle chest sales.. I am willing to bet more copies of starcraft have sold in the past year then copies of Zelda: OoT since they aren't being produced anymore while Starcraft copies are still saying at a respectable rate.. so if they both were at 6Million a year ago Starcraft is undoubtably ahead now.. I totally agree that sales aren't the most important thing.. Any game with over 2Million sales could easily win the entire thing.. 85% without any of the 15% from Europe would be a hard win.. but it is not like there is no Starcraft in Europe.. I am not saying Europe doesn't matter but you said North America means nothing in the big picture.. where as it matters more then the rest of the world.. You could win without europe(not the entire contest, but a match).. you couldn't win without North America.. and if you are curious I am Canadian --- Protoss >> Covanent Starcraft >> Halo |
| From: Mac Arrowny | Posted: 4/25/2004 6:38:11 PM | Message Detail |
| That top twenty games of all time chart is horribly wrong...Pokemon RBG sold 10 million copies in America alone, not to mention 8 million in Japan and however many more million in Europe, not to mention however many European sales. Starcraft not being on that list means nothing. |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/25/2004 6:40:59 PM | Message Detail |
| Then
why is SMB3 toted not only here, but ON THE GUINNESS BOOK OF WORLD
RECORDS as the best-selling game of all time with 18M? With what you
say, RBY would go well over that. Tetris and SMB don't count, due to being packages with consoles, of course. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 018/022 --- Matches: 18/22 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: SM64 |
| From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 4/25/2004 6:41:03 PM | Message Detail |
| That
top twenty games of all time chart is horribly wrong...Pokemon RBG sold
10 million copies in America alone, not to mention 8 million in Japan
and however many more million in Europe, not to mention however many
European sales. Starcraft not being on that list means nothing. Actually, no game has come close, in recency, to surpassing SMB3 and by that it would vastly surpass SMB3. I find it hard to take someone making up random numbers without a source. Especially considering there is a list, as of May 2003, and as source for it. All in all, Pokemon R/B may have sold more than 8 million (though doubtful it did in a years time) it didn`t come close to SMB3. --- Nintendo® - The Beginning and the End I know what you`re thinking...all this power, AND looks, too! - Bowser |
| From: Mac Arrowny | Posted: 4/25/2004 6:44:41 PM | Message Detail |
| http://www.the-magicbox.com/Chart-USPlatinum.htm http://www.the-magicbox.com/topten2.htm I was talking about Red, Blue, and Green, which are all the same. 10 million in North America, 8 million in Japan. Add in Pokemon Yellow to get another 2 million in Japan and 5 million in North America, for a grand total of 25 million copies. If you wanted, you could add in the remakes for another few million copies, but that wouldn't be fair, would it? |
| From: creativename | Posted: 4/25/2004 6:45:19 PM | Message Detail |
| American
sales mean nothing in comparison to the big picture, yes worldwide,
where both OoT and FFVII outsold Halo and StarCraft. North American sales would be the only relevant ones for contest discussion, and of course those are only mildly relevant. 75-85% ain't going to cut it. Europe made a massive difference at the beginning of the SF2/SMRPG if you don't remember. "At the beginning"...they ended up meaning jack squat by noon Eastern time. This contest will be decided by North America. More specifically, the US. Even more specifically, the East coast and the West coast. :) Even more specifically, Southern California and the East Coast ;) Also, I keep hearing "...these numbers may have gone up by now...", but games sell most of their copies within the first few weeks, and the vast majority within a few months of release. A game ain't gonna be selling anything significant years after release. And any sales that do happen would be bargain bin sales. It's the revenues that really matter. Someone spending $10 on a game is going to have a tendency to care less about it than someone that bought it when it first came out for $50. --- Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4! SC2K4.com |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/25/2004 6:47:07 PM | Message Detail |
| But
this contest CANNOT be won without Europe. Ultimately, if CT loses
before the finals, heck, if it loses at all, it will be the ONLY reason. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 018/022 --- Matches: 18/22 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: SM64 |
| From: s0ber | Posted: 4/25/2004 6:48:44 PM | Message Detail |
| 500 CMON!!!!!!!! --- No, this is obviously a ninja-esque illusion technique. You have been fooled, and now I have the opening to take your women. - Rykoshet |
| From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 4/25/2004 6:49:29 PM | Message Detail |
| I
was talking about Red, Blue, and Green, which are all the same. 10
million in North America, 8 million in Japan. Add in Pokemon Yellow to
get another 2 million in Japan and 5 million in North America, for a
grand total of 25 million copies. If you wanted, you could add in the
remakes for another few million copies, but that wouldn't be fair,
would it? Which is precisely the reason it is not considered the best selling game. Combining games like this are going to get you more sales than what really sold. You have to take the individual games not take 3 or 4 Pokemon games and put them together that would be about as far as taking every Mario game and combining it. You know what that gets you? Over 170 games sold, and that`s just counting major Mario games. --- Nintendo® - The Beginning and the End I know what you`re thinking...all this power, AND looks, too! - Bowser |
| From: creativename | Posted: 4/25/2004 6:49:37 PM | Message Detail |
| But
this contest CANNOT be won without Europe. Ultimately, if CT loses
before the finals, heck, if it loses at all, it will be the ONLY reason. You are very wrong. And about the second statement, I highly doubt Chrono Trigger would win a North American-only poll either. --- Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4! SC2K4.com |
| From: Mac Arrowny | Posted: 4/25/2004 6:49:45 PM | Message Detail |
| http://www5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~hokora/english/n64chart.html If you want more proof that the chart is incorrect, look at the sales for Mario Kart 64. 6.5 million for Japan and North America alone, and it was almost certainly a fantastic seller in Europe, yet it is nowhere to be found on the top 20. I have no idea who made that chart, but it is quite incorrect. |
| From: s0ber | Posted: 4/25/2004 6:50:21 PM | Message Detail |
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