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| From: steve illumina | Posted: 4/15/2004 8:17:33 AM | Message Detail |
| Well here we go kiddies :) Time for... Steve Illumina Speaks Thats right, the infamous yet humorous commentary is back, to go with all the rest of us here in this, the greatest of threads, the most worthy of postings on this fanboy dominated board. And so it continues, with a most overhyped fanboys out for blood match in the "Greatest Generation" Division Match XV (7)Earthbound vs (10)Doom Steve's Prediction: Doom by 58% Steve's Bracket: Doom Newbie's Pick: The one with guns! Upset Chances: Almost a guarantee, unlike SF2...(Grrr...) Comments: Here we got a good solid match with divided opinions among the experts, elites, and wannabe elites on this board, with 2 games that could not be any more different...Earthbound & Doom. On the one side of the fence, ya have the cult classic with fanboy bandwagon in tow Earthbound. Geeks, nerds, disaffected collegians and 'RPG 4 Life' kiddies flock to this game like flies to rotting hamburger meat. More so than Mario RPG do these so called 'Nessians' worship this game. Some call it the best SNES RPG...others call it unique and quirky...still others call it mega supremo awesomo. I call it...overrated! I have played Earthbound, and I have to say it was not bad. But the cheesy NES style graphics and lousy music soil the experience. Its got a neato story sure, but this cult classic just does not do it for me on the whole. Give me P Star 4, or Secret of Evermore even! 'Bound is an average game, and nothing more. It is not the 'Mother' of RPG's (Mother is its name in Japan for those who dont know) The cult classic that is Earthbound goes against one of the PC's finest moments in gaming lore...Doom. Doom and its offspring (Doom 2, Final Doom and sweet looking Doom 3) and the progeny born from it (Duke Nukem 3D, Quake, Heretic, Hexen, Half Life, Unreal, etc) created a genre that thrives today, and along with real time strategy still dominates PC gaming circles. You wont find Earthbound in PC land. Nope...u surely wont. The PC diehards had no game to call their own in the "Ancient" Division, but they do now. They know Fallout 2 has no chance in 10 days, and StarCraft is in trouble the day after that...but here, they see their sacred light. Their beacon of hope for a victory. Like the retro diehards who led Pong to victory when all their other hopes fizzled like Coke sitting for hours, the PC throngs will rally around their idol. Here is the one true chance for a PC 1st round victory. And I am one that believes strongly in it too. Earthbound will carry the cult vote of its fanboys and the rabid RPG kids and Nintendites, but PC gamers along with casual voters, blood and gore kiddies, and others who never heard of Earthy will vote for the game with the cool name, Doom. The box art dont hurt either. And when Doom does win, the fanboys will sulk and cry more so than they did for RCR, SF2 (which was robbed by casuals allying with fanboys) and Ducky Hunty. And I will laugh at them all the way to the next point in my bracket. Probable Results: Doom by 58%. Higher odds than most are looking for, but I feel strongly about the casuals here... Steve's Moments: EarthBound...port it like Super Metroid and Mario RPG I say, then everyone can see how average it really is. Doom: To think my parents tried to keep me away from this violence many years ago! LOL --- SC2K4: 12/14! Read my Satirical Contest Commentary! Steve Illumina: Standing tall against fanboys for over 20 years |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/15/2004 8:52:12 AM | Message Detail |
| *** COMPARISONS GAME - (7) EARTHBOUND vs. (10) DOOM *** (Finally an interesting match... I thought this day would never come!) Sales It's not rocket science. Doom is one of the most famous names in the world of PC gaming, while Earthbound is the very definition of cult classic. Usually a GOTY will have sold reasonably well... Doom won quite a few in its day. - Advantage DOOM. Franchises Toughie. This match is dead even, and neither game has a huge lot of franchise power on GameFAQs... but at least Doom has sequels (and yes, I know about Mother, but who played that?), so at least it has a little more power. I'll give the nod to Doom, but not by that much. - Advantage DOOM. GameFAQs Status Number of FAQs: Earthbound Number of reviews: Earthbound Average review score: Doom Board activity: Earthbound Earthbound takes this, not unsurprisingly. The sheer number of FAQs and reviews would tend to say it's more than just a cult classic. And the Earthbound board has two pages worth of topics (at 50/page), what very few games so far could claim. The only place where it loses out is in the scores, 8.10 to 8.81. Hey, 8.10 isn't that bad. It's not Super Metroid, but it's not Big Rigs either. Heck, OoT scores fairly low there for a championship contender. - Advantage EARTHBOUND. Board Odds Project PICKS (out of 102) Doom - 60 Earthbound - 42 POINT VALUE 31. Doom - 66 36. Earthbound - 42 60-42 may seem solid, but only SMRPG/SF2 was closer than that (57-45). And the "obvious" Donkey Kong/Duck Hunt match (71-31)... well, we all know what happened there. Nevertheless, the BOP is 14 for 14 so far. Much to the delight of the very last entrant, who agreed with every single pick on there. - Advantage DOOM. Summer Contests / Polls of the Day Never seen either game in a PotD. And we all saw how Ness performed last year... but is it a real bad sign for his game? This doesn't belong here, but rather in the category below. - UNAVAILABLE. Intangibles Okay, now for the interesting part. We know Bowser tripled Ness last year. Right? Well... picture this. Bowser is a Nintendo icon, right? And Ness is, um, well, some random guy that got lost in Nintendo's history. Now you see it coming... SFF involvment. It may have happened, it may have not. But if it has, I can't think Bowser could have been handicapped by it. So if Ness is actually stronger than these numbers can lead us to believe, then Earthbound's chances are greatly improved, right? Besides, although Ness was cool in my book, the game is much more memorable as a whole. New Age Retro Hippie. The Stoic Club. The Starmen. And I could go on. And it's SNES RPG vs. PC FPS. Yes, it may be a semi-unknown, cultish SNES RPG going against a legendary PC FPS, but it's still a SNES RPG. And it's never a good idea to go against that without giving it a second thought. Plus, while Doom made a huge impact in the mid-90s, I'd tend to think that it died down since then. Those that are out for blood will prefer games such as Halo or GTA to it. It's not about which game was more popular in the mid-90s, it's about what is more popular in 2004. And while Doom was ripped off left and right, these clones being more and more worshipped as the years passed and the genre grew, Earthbound still retained its uniqueness. I didn't like it, but others sure as hell did. - Advantage EARTHBOUND. Conclusion: Once again, like in all matches that are hard to call because of the lack of data, the X-factors will be essential to snag the win. It's all about Doom's former popularity vs. Earthbound's uniqueness (and of course, platform and genre). It could be the closest match ever. It could be a huge anticlimax. But it's definitely impossible to call a winner before the poll begins. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 010/013 --- Matches: 10/13 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: Super Metroid |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 4/15/2004 9:54:12 AM | Message Detail |
| I
maintain that Earthbound`s high seeding comes from the fact that
Earthbound fans are far less likely to nominate anything else for the
SNES slot than fans of most other SNES games. And correct me if I`m wrong, but is Doom the highest-seeded PC game in this contest? (mention FF7, I kick you) --- MIASU! I mean, everytime you guys *****, moan, complain, whine, and other things...it actually gives me a hard-on. -Smokin |
| From: Starion | Posted: 4/15/2004 9:57:39 AM | Message Detail |
| Nice
analysis as always Slowflake. One thing though, what does SFF mean?
I've heard this mentioned several times already but I have no idea what
that is. --- Sp2004 Score:12/13 Today's Pick: Super Metroid Nominate Death for the 2004 Character Contest |
| From: Who Cares? | Posted: 4/15/2004 10:00:22 AM | Message Detail |
| SFF -- Same Fanbase Factor I believe... |
| From: redline15 | Posted: 4/15/2004 11:26:36 AM | Message Detail |
| for the record...i thought the last two matches were interesting. not because of the points... not because of the board... but because i was desperately hoping for some sign that super metroid would beat lttp. ...once again my plans are foiled. from steve illumina: Here we got a good solid match with divided opinions among the experts, elites, and wannabe elites on this board... ah...so that's what i am. a "wannabe elite". heh...i've been wondering... --- signature (n.): a random bit of gibberish that no one ever reads. |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 4/15/2004 11:33:06 AM | Message Detail |
| Some people forget two very simple things: 1 - Yes, Ness was in the two Smash Brothers games. Take a wild guess as to how many people played Earthbound before playing Smash Brothers. Not all that many. 2 - Earthbound is the very definition of a cult classic. The people who play it love it, but the people who haven`t played haven`t even heard of it; consequently, Earthbound fans are more likely to nominate their favorite game with the SNES slot than fans of other SNES games. Doom is one of the highest seeded PC games in this tournament, despite the total joke of a nomination system we had. This match is Doom`s to lose, and I`d frankly be surprised if Earthbound scored 45% on it. --- MIASU! I mean, everytime you guys *****, moan, complain, whine, and other things...it actually gives me a hard-on. -Smokin |
| From: steve illumina | Posted: 4/15/2004 12:17:44 PM | Message Detail |
| ah...so that's what i am. a "wannabe elite". heh...i've been wondering... Wannabe elites are fanboys who try and defend their game but do a pathetic job of it. I was not referring to peeps in this, the best thread on this whole board! --- SC2K4: 12/14! Read my Satirical Contest Commentary! Steve Illumina: Standing tall against fanboys for over 20 years |
| From: Yesmar | Posted: 4/15/2004 12:53:30 PM | Message Detail |
| Yesmar's Contest Comments: Day 13: 4/14/04 · Yawn!! Nothing much to say here. Yet another 80%+ blowout. Super Metroid didn't do bad enough for me to totally discount its chances against Link to the Past nor did it do well enough for me to really get excited. Give me Earthbound Vs. Doom please. --- Heh Heh... The wind... It is blowing...--Ganondorf |
| From: Phediuk | Posted: 4/15/2004 2:57:33 PM | Message Detail |
| Match #13 Review: Yawn. Match #15 Preview: Ah, here we go...this 'un should be a goodie. In one corner, we have Earthbound. It's an SNES RPG...but its status is merely "cult classic." Its main character is in SSBM...but, because the EB box doesn't feature a picture of him, that factor is null. Like it or not, Earthbound's name simply doesn't flip the light switch in the eyes of the average voter. Its opponent, Doom, simply exacerbates the problem. Doom is one of the most well-known PC games of all time, and virtually everybody's played it at one point or another. PC games may not have much of a following on this site...and neither may FPSes...but Doom has the name, and that's all it needs to take this match. --- "Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle." -Toad in Super Mario Bros. |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 4/15/2004 3:40:36 PM | Message Detail |
| And correct me if I`m wrong, but is Doom the highest-seeded PC game in this contest? (mention FF7, I kick you) Uh, what about Halo? --- Engaged to MWIS 04/07/04 Current Sp2K4 Score: 13/13, Next Winner: Super Metroid |
| From: cyko | Posted: 4/15/2004 3:55:26 PM | Message Detail |
Any chance of italicising new entries in the top 5 lists? I know it's a bit extra work, but it helps find which categories the previous match is in (if any). no prob, Ringworm. cyko's Point of View Match 15 (7) Earthbound vs. (10) Doom alright, finally!! a big match for us!! well, sort of...... seeing how neither game has a prayer of a chance against FF6...... but it's still big to some of us!! okay, so you have a ten year old cult classic SNES RPG against a ten year old revolutionary, yet now dated, PC FPS. two very different games with two very different fanbases. this makes for an interesting matchup. first things first- one of the biggest things i keep seeing people say about Earthbound's chances is the unimpressive showing Ness made against Bowser. however, i believe that doesn't matter for three reasons - 1) same fanbase factor. i know it's been said before (and it's yet to be proven for certain), but i sincerely believe that Ness would have fared much better against someone who wasn't one of Nintendo's big icons; the same way Auron would've done much better against someone who wasn't one of Final Fantasy's biggest icons. most Nintendo fans who might've been willing to vote for Ness looked at the pictures, saw good old Bowser and then saw.......... 2) Ness's dorky picture. his game might be held in high regard, but the kid looks like a straight up oscar meyer weiner. he's right up there with Lettuce Kefka. with looks like his, it's hard to get many casual votes. plus....... 3) quite a few people still underestimate Bowser. i don't understand how some people think that Bowser isn't a tough character to beat. he's Nintendo's fourth biggest icon, behind Link, Mario, and Samus. he only pulled about 3000 fewer votes against Cloud than Sonic did. managing 25% against Bowser really wasn't that terrible. besides, how well does anyone think the Doom Marine would've done against Bowser? he would've been lucky to break 20%. so yeah, Ness's performance against Bowser is not a factor in tomorrow's match. --- Current Score: 14/14 (through Super Metroid vs. PS4) Tied for 1st place with ????? other users. A WINNER of Trivia 12 |
| From: cyko | Posted: 4/15/2004 3:56:39 PM | Message Detail |
however, what makes this match so tough to call are the two unknown factors: a) do FPS characters represent their games well? b) how much support will PC games get? we do know that FPS characters have failed miserably in the Summer Contests (see Duke Nukem, Gordon Freeman, and Master Cheif). but it's still only a theory that they represent their games well. Doom will also be the first guinea pig to try it out on. we will also get to see if people are really willing to vote PC over their beloved SNES. those two factors aside, the next best thing we can do is figure out which match we've had so far compares best to Earthbound vs. Doom. first, we can compare this to Phantasy Star vs. Contra. there, we had a cult favorite RPG against an old, addictive action game. it's kinda similar, but Phantasy Star is far more obscure than Earthbound and was on a far more obscure system. Earthbound was played by far more people in general and way more people on this board. Earthbound would easily beat PS. Contra was about has popular at its peak as Doom was at its peak. head to head today, though, i would say Contra is a little more popular because of it's console roots. so, this match doesn't compare very well. next, we have Pong vs. River City Ransom. an extreme cult classic against one of the most recognized games ever. RCR is a cult classic in the most extreme definition of the term. it's far less played than Earthbound or possibly even PS. besides that, it's not really even an RPG. Earthbound would crush RCR. i also believe that Pong could take out Doom on Gamefaqs, because it is more widely respected here as the first mainstream video game than Doom is for being the first mainstream FPS. that match doesn't compare very well, either. finally that brings us to Super Mario RPG vs. Street Fighter 2. another cult favorite RPG against the game that revolutionized the fighting genre. what happened there? the RPG won without a whole lot of trouble, well after sunrise anyways. granted, Earthbound doesn't have RPG or Mario in it's title, but it was released before the end of the SNES's lifespan (like SMRPG was), so i do believe that Earthbound sold more copies. i worked at Best Buy during that last year of the SNES and we sold way more copies of Eartbound than we did of the rare SMRPG. the two games do share a very similar fanbase. and how does Doom compare to SF2? well, both revolutionized a genre long ago and both are household names, but SF2 made it onto virtually every console out there, while Doom was mostly limited to the PC. Doom came out on a couple of consoles, but it definitely only found success on the PC. i would give SF2 the advantage there. i would also say that this match most closely resembles Earthbound vs. Doom. --- Current Score: 14/14 (through Super Metroid vs. PS4) Tied for 1st place with ????? other users. A WINNER of Trivia 12 |
| From: cyko | Posted: 4/15/2004 3:58:24 PM | Message Detail |
| (hmph... i should've split my analysis better. now i have to post in three parts, lol.) anywho, am i saying Earthbound is a lock to win? no, but look at the rest of the first round winners of the 16-bit Division: Chrono Trigger - SNES RPG made by Square Super Mario RPG - SNES RPG made by Square and Nintendo Sonic 2 - Genesis Platform made by Sega Super Mario World - SNES Platform made by Nintendo Zelda: LTTP - SNES Adventure made by Nintendo Super Metroid - SNES Adventure/Platform made by Nintendo Final Fantasy 3/6 - SNES RPG made by Square notice a pattern developing? other than Sega's biggest icon Sonic, it's all Nintendo or RPG. it simply doesn't make sense that a PC FPS will be able to break through that Nintendo/RPG barrier. sure, Doom did influence a lot of other games. but they were a lot of other games that few people here care about. granted, not everything in these contests does make sense, but i have hard time picturing it. Doom's name recognition could push it ahead of Earthbound. or PC gamers might have more influence here than we previously thought. but, here on RPGFAQS, i'm gonna stand behind the SNES RPG. prediction - Earthbound with 52-55% my bracket - Earthbound personal favorite - Earthbound - i try to be as neutral as possible when making my predictions and analysis, but these two games don't even compare in my mind. if i saw a perfectly working, clean copy of Doom lying on the sidewalk, i wouldn't even waste the energy to pick it up. Earthbound, however rivals both Lunars for the funniest RPG i have ever played. the sense of humor and sense of uniqueness made for a very enjoyable gaming experience. say, "FUZZY PICKLES!!" --- Current Score: 14/14 (through Super Metroid vs. PS4) Tied for 1st place with ????? other users. A WINNER of Trivia 12 |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/15/2004 4:01:44 PM | Message Detail |
| the same way Auron would've done much better against someone who wasn't one of Final Fantasy's biggest icons I'll say it again... there was no SFF there. Tails' score compared to Link remained about the same both years. But Bowser/Ness, on the other hand, is much more SFF-able. Not unlike Mario/DK. And isn't Bowser the fifth strongest Nintendo rep, behind Ganondorf as well? --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 010/013 --- Matches: 10/13 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: Super Metroid |
| From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 4/15/2004 4:03:54 PM | Message Detail |
| Eh, despite what stats say I`d still put Bowser over Ganondorf. --- "The Reaper is always just a step behind me..." SPC2k4 : Winner - Chrono Trigger |
| From: Shadow Doom Blaze | Posted: 4/15/2004 4:04:25 PM | Message Detail |
| smitelf: I`m not referring to games that get most of their popularity from consoles. --- *is Ultimaterializer* Lettuce Kefka is my God!! |
| From: MrGuru | Posted: 4/15/2004 4:04:30 PM | Message Detail |
| I <3 this topic. Anyway, I'm not really going to go into all I have to say, but I believe that Doom will win simply because Earthbound is a cult game, like so many other people have put it. Everyone has heard of DOOM, so that's why I predict it to win. I also have DOOM picked in my bracket. 13/13. --- the-elite.net Pissing away 20 hours to gain one more second is the thing we do best. - ST The Pope? How many divisions has he got? - Stalin |
| From: FastFalcon05 | Posted: 4/15/2004 4:06:18 PM | Message Detail |
| behind it what way? in terms of how they do here in the contests, or for Nintendo in general? A bowser vs ganondorf fight would be very interesting, or at least it might have been had not cloud slaughtered bowser, but as far as marketing goes, I bet more people would recognize Bowser than Ganondorf in general, but I suspect you meant in sc status. Who were the other 4 btw? --- Was nokia trying to prove that something can be made worse than x-box? ~Darkbaconslayer on N-Gage |
| From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 4/15/2004 4:09:43 PM | Message Detail |
| And
as far as that Earthbound vs. Doom match goes I still can`t see a game
that is lower than SMRPG beat a game that is at or a little lower than
the level of SFII. I can`t see Earthbound possibly even getting above
45% in this match, if it did it`d shock me. The game just doesn`t seem
like it`s going to rack up many votes other than the ones its fans give
it. --- "The Reaper is always just a step behind me..." SPC2k4 : Winner - Chrono Trigger |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/15/2004 4:29:04 PM | Message Detail |
| I
meant Summer Contest. Ganondorf would beat Bowser with 52-53% according
to stats. But these are Nintendo's two major villains, so I wouldn't
expect SFF out of a match like that. And the other three (not four, three) are Link, Mario and Samus, of course. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 010/013 --- Matches: 10/13 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: Super Metroid |
| From: redline15 | Posted: 4/15/2004 5:40:35 PM | Message Detail |
| well...as an official wannabe elite...i should probably post some analysis for a match like this... match 15: earthbound vs. doom what the board went for: doom the board's pretty split again on this one...but doom seems to have the edge. many gave this match to doom on its name recognition alone... what i went for: earthbound doom's system will work against it...and earthbound's genre will work for it. if enough voters know what earthbound is...doom doesn't have a chance. ...and i don't think many gamefaqs visitors could be called casual gamers... what i'm picking now: earthbound i still haven't seen evidence that doom has any real support here...just arguments about name recognition. but i have seen super mario rpg get 56% against street fighter... what i'm rooting for: doom if gamefaqs gets just one pc game into the second round...it should be this one. doom changed the course of the entire pc industry... ...and more importantly...it's still more fun than any of its clones... --- signature (n.): a random bit of gibberish that no one ever reads. |
| From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 4/15/2004 5:42:30 PM | Message Detail |
| but i have seen super mario rpg get 56% against street fighter... Earthbound is not near the level of that of SMRPG. --- "The Reaper is always just a step behind me..." SPC2k4 : Winner - Chrono Trigger |
| From: redline15 | Posted: 4/15/2004 5:51:24 PM | Message Detail |
| from steve illumina: Wannabe elites are fanboys who try and defend their game but do a pathetic job of it. I was not referring to peeps in this, the best thread on this whole board! d'oh...i didn't see this before i posted my analysis... ...but actually... i kind of like the ring of "wannabe elite"... so i think i'll keep it anyway... from slowflake: I'll say it again... there was no SFF there. Tails' score compared to Link remained about the same both years. But Bowser/Ness, on the other hand, is much more SFF-able. Not unlike Mario/DK. so...what you're saying is... cloud didn't take any votes away from auron just because he was from square... ...but bowser did take some votes from ness just because he was from nintendo. ...how is that possible? |
| From: redline15 | Posted: 4/15/2004 5:54:47 PM | Message Detail |
| d'oh...another response. sorry for wasting posts like this... from heroic mario: Earthbound is not near the level of that of SMRPG. well...it's true that earthbound doesn't have mario or square. but they're both mostly-forgotten titles from the snes era. and besides...i don't think doom is near the level of street fighter... ...not that i have any proof... --- signature (n.): a random bit of gibberish that no one ever reads. |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/15/2004 6:47:35 PM | Message Detail |
| so...what you're saying is... cloud didn't take any votes away from auron just because he was from square... ...but bowser did take some votes from ness just because he was from nintendo. The second part is only hypothetical. The first, however, is not, and we've been through this time and time again. As for why is that, I have no idea. Probably because Ness is nowhere near Auron in their respective companies' food chain. Auron, while not to the level of Tidus, is still a big fan-favorite among FF10 players. Then again, some things about SFF are just plain weird. Like how Kefka lost the SFF vote to Crono, for instance. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 010/013 --- Matches: 10/13 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: Super Metroid |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 4/15/2004 6:54:23 PM | Message Detail |
| smitelf: I`m not referring to games that get most of their popularity from consoles. Shadow Doom Blaze: I was being facetious. --- Engaged to MWIS 04/07/04 Current Sp2K4 Score: 13/13, Next Winner: Super Metroid |
| From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 4/15/2004 7:16:50 PM | Message Detail |
| well...it's true that earthbound doesn't have mario or square. Which lowers it significantly. but they're both mostly-forgotten titles from the snes era. and besides...i don't think doom is near the level of street fighter... Doom is not greater or at the same level but slightly lower. Basically, Doom is a lot closer to SFII than EB is to SMRPG. Just because Earthbound is an RPG doesn`t mean the game has an automatic win or anything close. Quite frankly, I can`t come up with any sort of vote Earthbound will get other than votes from its fans. But we`ll find out in 5 hours. --- "The Reaper is always just a step behind me..." SPC2k4 : Winner - Chrono Trigger |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 4/15/2004 7:58:03 PM | Message Detail |
| Earthbound is not near the level of that of SMRPG. Amen to that. --- Engaged to MWIS 04/07/04 Current Sp2K4 Score: 13/13, Next Winner: Super Metroid |
| From: creativename | Posted: 4/15/2004 8:10:03 PM | Message Detail |
| Doom is not greater or at the same level but slightly lower. Basically, Doom is a lot closer to SFII than EB is to SMRPG I would hazard to say that Street Fighter II would PWN Doom, maybe even get like 70% against it. Don't have anything to back that up, but that's would I would expect. --- Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4! SC2K4.com |
| From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 4/15/2004 8:13:13 PM | Message Detail |
| I wouldn`t expect that much, in fact I`d expect Doom to do around 40% but like you I have nothing to back that claim up. --- "The Reaper is always just a step behind me..." SPC2k4 : Winner - Chrono Trigger |
| From: redline15 | Posted: 4/15/2004 8:32:29 PM | Message Detail |
| [This message was deleted at the request of the original poster] |
| From: redline15 | Posted: 4/15/2004 8:38:48 PM | Message Detail |
| from slowflake: The second part is only hypothetical. The first, however, is not, and we've been through this time and time again. forgive a newbie for asking...but can you go over that one more time? i missed any answers in the last topic... and i couldn't find them in this one... (edit: i realized you already talked about why auron might be different from ness. my apologies. ...and the post waste continues...) --- signature (n.): a random bit of gibberish that no one ever reads. |
| From: therealmnm | Posted: 4/15/2004 8:41:26 PM | Message Detail |
| Usually,
I would have a lot of input over the SNES games, but I am still feeling
sick for picking Super Metroid over A Link to the Past. Can I make a suggestion that we retire the phrase "cult classic"? Although I totally agree with Earthbound fitting the definition... I've just seen too many games being called cult classics just because they haven't retained their popularity to today's gamers. Anyways, I'm not that impressed with this match. I picked Earthbound just because it's been more familiar with me. Yes, I know what Doom is, but I never got into it. Duke Nukem 3D was my favorite 3D shooter from that genre. I figured that since Ness was on BOTH Smash Bros. that the gamers would have figured out who Ness was and what Earthbound was. I know it enticed ME to go and play Earthbound. Yes, that game was made for geeks. I'm sorry, but it was PAINFUL playing through that game and it's cheesy music and gameplay. I thought "THIS game spawned all this hype?" I secretly played the game so I could here the origin of the Fourside music on SSBM. But don't tell anyone that, I just like music. :) Can we just have a bye to the 32 bit round? Although I do have a lot of input on FFVI... MY favorite FF. --- "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't." |
| From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 4/15/2004 8:44:19 PM | Message Detail |
| FFVI is my second favorite game, favorite FF, second favorite RPG, etc. You have it right about FFVI But Earthbound, a game I hate. But like you I`m not too fond of Doom either I don`t care for it or the FPS genre but I didn`t see how it could lose. --- "The Reaper is always just a step behind me..." SPC2k4 : Winner - Chrono Trigger |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 4/16/2004 2:41:42 AM | Message Detail |
| Isn`t
it funny that the analysis that was posted more than any other today
will turn out to be dead-on accurate should the current poll stay true
to projection? And gee, I WONDER WHERE YOU GOT 45% FROM HEROIC MARIO??? --- MIASU! I think im going to mark this topic for being too intelligent for GameFAQs. -Tulidian |
| From: cyko | Posted: 4/16/2004 4:19:39 AM | Message Detail |
| new entries are now in bold. Top 5 Biggest Blowouts (difference in percentage) 1) 90.40% - Legend of Zelda over Adventure 2) 82.30% - Legend of Zelda : LTTP over Gunstar Heroes 3) 75.28% - Final Fantasy over Pitfall 4) 66.58% - Super Metroid over Phantasy Star 4 5) 64.60% - Super Mario Bros. 3 over Metal Gear Top 5 Biggest Vote Gaps (difference in votes) 1) 88208 - Legend of Zelda over Adventure 2) 78272 - Legend of Zelda : LTTP over Gunstar Heroes 3) 74682 - Final Fantasy over Pitfall 4) 61229 - Super Mario World over The Simpsons 5) 59648 - Sonic 2 over Shining Force Top 5 Closest Matches (difference in percentage) 1) 0.14% - Donkey Kong over Duck Hunt 2) 12.48% - Super Mario RPG over Street Fighter 2 3) 22.04% - Contra over Phantasy Star 4) 36.02% - Pong over River City Ransom 5) 37.02% - Metroid over Pac-Man Top 5 Smallest Vote Gaps (difference in votes) 1) 143 - Donkey Kong over Duck Hunt 2) 12076 - Super Mario RPG over Street Fighter 2 3) 20080 - Contra over Phantasy Star 4) 26931 - Metroid over Pac-Man 5) 30544 - Pong over River City Ransom Top 5 Most Popular Polls (by vote totals) 1) 99194 - Final Fantasy vs. Pitfall 2) 97580 - Legend of Zelda vs. Adventure 3) 97285 - Super Mario World vs. The Simpsons 4) 97126 - Sonic 2 vs. Shining Force 5) 97031 - Donkey Kong vs. Duck Hunt Top 5 Least Popular Polls (by vote totals) 1) 72743 - Metroid vs. Pac-Man * 2) 74556 - Super Mario Bros. 3 vs. Metal Gear * 3) 84501 - Tetris vs. Galaga 4) 84664 - Super Metroid vs. Phantasy Star 4 5) 84804 - Pong vs. River City Ransom Top 5 Highest Individual Votes 1) 92894 - Legend of Zelda 2) 86938 - Final Fantasy 3) 86690 - Legend of Zelda: LTTP 4) 79257 - Super Mario World 5) 78387 - Sonic 2 Top 5 Lowest Individual Votes 1) 4686 - Adventure 2) 8418 - Gunstar Heroes 3) 12256 - Pitfall 4) 13197 - Metal Gear 5) 14144 - Phantasy Star 4 Top 5 Most Impressive Losers (by votes) 1) 48444 - Duck Hunt 2) 42314 - Street Fighter 2 3) 35513 - Phantasy Star 4) 27130 - River City Ransom 5) 22906 - Pac-Man Top 5 Least Impressive Winners (by votes) 1) 48587 - Donkey Kong 2) 49837 - Metroid 3) 54390 - Super Mario RPG 4) 55593 - Contra 5) 57674 - Pong Top 5 Easiest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner) 1) no data yet 2) 3) 4) 5) Top 10 Hardest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner) 1) no data yet 2) 3) 4) 5) * = shared PotD with GameRiot poll --- Current Score: 14/14 (through Super Metroid vs. PS4) Tied for 1st place with ????? other users. A WINNER of Trivia 12 |
| From: cyko | Posted: 4/16/2004 4:26:11 AM | Message Detail |
| *looks at current match results* dang. Doom hasn't clinched the victory quite yet, but it shows no signs of slowing down. however, what makes this match so tough to call are the two unknown factors: a) do FPS characters represent their games well? b) how much support will PC games get? well, which of these two factors do you think added more to Doom's victory? maybe FPS characters really don't represent their games well because everyone who plays their games can't remember the characters' names. or maybe people who play and enjoy FPS games don't feel the same kind of attachment towards the character they are playing with as RPG gamers. or maybe the PC crowd's vote holds a lot more influence than we thought? what does anyone else think? *sniff* good-bye, perfect bracket....... *runs away, sobbing* --- Current Score: 14/14 (through Super Metroid vs. PS4) Tied for 1st place with ????? other users. A WINNER of Trivia 12 |
| From: jonthomson | Posted: 4/16/2004 4:30:14 AM | Message Detail |
| I
would hazard to say that Street Fighter II would PWN Doom, maybe even
get like 70% against it. Don't have anything to back that up, but
that's would I would expect. If that match were to have happened, I really don't know what I'd have picked. I'd have leaned towards SF2, but that's a toughie. --- Jon Thomson - (12/14 - today: Doom) |
| From: Starion | Posted: 4/16/2004 4:58:16 AM | Message Detail |
| I
think Earthbound's strength was being overestimated. It is one of the
more niche RPGs in the bracket after all. I thought the same about
Mario RPG too which is why I pick SF2. Hmm, if we only had accurate
sales data for SNES games.. --- Sp2004 Score:13/14 Today's Pick: Doom Nominate Death for the 2004 Character Contest |
| From: steve illumina | Posted: 4/16/2004 5:13:43 AM | Message Detail |
| Finally I called one nearly perfectly. I said Doom by 58%..it is hovering at 59% now... Goodbye Earthy... --- SC2K4: 13/15! Read my Satirical Contest Commentary! Steve Illumina: Standing tall against fanboys for over 20 years |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/16/2004 5:22:30 AM | Message Detail |
| forgive a newbie for asking...but can you go over that one more time? Sure, no problem. Alucard/Tails: 54-46. Auron/Tails: 64-36. Tails lost by 10 more. Cloud/Alucard: 70-30 Cloud/Auron: 72-28 Auron lost by 2 more. So Tails lost 12 points to Cloud: however, Cloud gained 14 points on Link and the rest of the pack. Cloud's score in 2002 may have been lowered slightly due to his match with Mario (not because of SFF in Link/Mario, but because of factors inherent to close and hyped matches, such as PGC), so Cloud's increase may have been closer to 12-13. So if Cloud's gain is equivalent to Tails' loss, technically Tails didn't lose anything to the rest of the pack. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 011/014 --- Matches: 11/14 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: Earthbound |
| From: Ringworm | Posted: 4/16/2004 5:35:47 AM | Message Detail |
| All
I'm going to say about todays match is that I shouldn't base picks on
personal favourites in future (for close matches). Earthbound is an
alright game, and I hate Doom. Should of thought about the fact that
nobody's played Earthbound. Oh well. Lesson learned for next
tournament. Same happened with DH v DK, I picked MY favourite there
too. That wasn't THAT bad a choice though, I guess. Sure, I was wrong,
but not by much :) --- Betting: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=8&topic=13651471 13/15 Next: FF6 |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/16/2004 5:40:48 AM | Message Detail |
| I
wonder if people are going to overestimate Doom and the other PC games
because of the margin of victory. I don't see any talk about Contra
being a superpower for beating PS 62-38... Well, ANOTHER loss for me. I've got as many wrongs in the first 15 matches as I had last year before Link vs. Cloud. Xenogears gotta win... oh, and if it loses, the BOP loses its perfection as well. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 011/014 --- Matches: 11/14 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: Earthbound |
| From: Starion | Posted: 4/16/2004 5:42:10 AM | Message Detail |
| BOP? Those are the bracket thingys you collected right? I refuse to believe the majority chose Xenogears to win. --- Sp2004 Score:13/14 Today's Pick: Doom Nominate Death for the 2004 Character Contest |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/16/2004 5:43:57 AM | Message Detail |
| That they did. 61-41 in favor of Xenogears. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 011/014 --- Matches: 11/14 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: Earthbound |
| From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 4/16/2004 6:46:35 AM | Message Detail |
| Exactly what I thought would happen, rack up an easy win for Doom. --- The Reaper is always just a step behind me... SPC2k4 : Winner - Chrono Trigger |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 4/16/2004 8:02:32 AM | Message Detail |
| Hooray,
I can keep my perfect bracket through at least the first two divisions
now. Next possible (well, probable) loss: Xenogears vs. Pokemon. Come
on, Pokemon, you can do it...the BOP has to be wrong eventually...err,
right? --- Engaged to MWIS 04/07/04 Current Sp2K4 Score: 14/14, Next Winner: Doom |
| From: steve illumina | Posted: 4/16/2004 8:25:59 AM | Message Detail |
| It will be wrong..Pokemon will win for the same reason Doom did..name recognition --- SC2K4: 12/14! Read my Satirical Contest Commentary! Steve Illumina: Standing tall against fanboys for over 20 years |
| From: steve illumina | Posted: 4/16/2004 8:26:43 AM | Message Detail |
| Well here we go kiddies :) Time for... Steve Illumina Speaks Thats right, the infamous yet humorous commentary is back, to go with all the rest of us here in this, the greatest of threads, the most worthy of postings on this fanboy dominated board. And so it continues, with an emotional lamentation in the "Greatest Generation" Division Match XVI (2)FFIII/VI vs (15)Mortal Kombat! Steve's Prediction: FF3 by 70% (Oh my MK, forgive me) Steve's Bracket: FF3 Newbie's Pick: Blood! Spinal Cords! Hearts! Oh my! Upset Chances: I must admit it can not be so... Comments: Here we got the most unfair of matches for the one game (series) I care about more than any other...the game (series) you could ALMOST call me a fanboy for...and that is Mortal Kombat. It takes on Square juggernaut FF3/6 in the last match of the Greatest Generation Division. "Mortal men and women...defending their own world...its not about death...but life..." To quote the great Raiden in the 1st MK movie. I consider it my mission as well to defend the honor of this game and its series and its legacy against all the blind Square fanboys of this board who do not appreciate that which is MK. Last year I defended Kefka Palazzo, who came to me begging me to show the world his true virtues, which I did. So too must I defend MK, for no one else here will do it with the same level of passion and eloquence. MK has done more for gaming than FF3. MK created the violent fighting genre. Copycats like Killer Instinct were born from it. Some good like KI, others crap like Bloody Roar. It was the first game to use digitized filming of character actors which were then transferred to the game. It was pure bliss back in 1993, ripping off heads, pulling out hearts, and smiling as the adoring kiddies looked up to me when I won match after match with all 7 playable characters in the first MK. It continued into MK2, where the series blossomed like a rose in spring. Kitana became, and remains, my best and favorite character to use thanks to MK2. Evolving to the upcoming MK: DA2, which will have online play. So I can relive the days of old, destroying other opponents with my sweet Kitana, and making the name Steve Illumina known throughout the land. Ah, yes, that is my goal, as It was when the Capital City Mall arcade was my turf back in the high school days when MK ruled the arcades. My bias aside, a MK vote is a worthy one for its historical significance, the infamous legal hearings by Joe "I cant win a primary" Leiberman, the Genesis blood code nonsense though the SNES version still was better, its sheer fun quality to play, its great movies and merchandising, the MK Dragon logo, and 11 great years. Tobias & Boon, I salute you! As close to a fanboy as I may be for this game, I am not, for though I will vote for it out of sheer devotion to it, I did not put it in my bracket, for I know the realisticness of this contest, this site, and this RPG world we live in. I am loyal to it yes, but not blindingly so. So hence, I am not a fanboy. Gotta make that clear! :) So I implore all of you, vote MK, and show the world that FF3 is just a good solid RPG, one of the best Square ever made, but not as significant in the overall gaming legacy as MK was. Probable Results: FF3 by 70%...lower than most expect, thanks to my stirring rally here for votes! And cause MK is more popular than peeps think. Steve's Moments: FF3: Who did not love the great drama in this game? Here is where it really blossomed the 1st time in the eyes of many Square fans. Leo's fall...Ifrit's eloquence...Celes & Locke...the day the world was changed forever...Atma...and Cid & the cliff scene....*tears* MK: I said most of it already, but there is no feeling quite like kids cheering for ya to do a fatality for them and seeing their beaming faces when you do it for them. Oh, I miss those days... --- SC2K4: 13/15! Read my Satirical Contest Commentary! Steve Illumina: Standing tall against fanboys for over 20 years |
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