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| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/12/2004 4:05:22 AM | Message Detail |
| And it looks like it could be "very impressive for Sonic 2". I thought it would get in the low 70s... guess I was wrong. Again. Who do you think would win in a direct match, Shining Force or Secret of Mana? --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 007/010 --- Matches: 07/10 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: Sonic 2 |
| From: Starion | Posted: 4/12/2004 4:22:33 AM | Message Detail |
| Ngamer, do you mind making a text version of the Guru standings? I don't have Excel so I can't see the list. --- Sp2004 Score:9/10 Today's Pick: Sonic2 Nominate Death for the 2004 Character Contest |
| From: NT220 | Posted: 4/12/2004 4:52:02 AM | Message Detail |
| Who do you think would win in a direct match, Shining Force or Secret of Mana? SoM wins that in a walk. It's made by a more popular developer, was on a popular console, and belonged to a more popular sub-genre. It also had a lot more hype when released and sold a lot more. *shrug* there's just not a single category where ShF might have a conceivable advantage. --- "The surest sign of intelligent life outside Earth is that none of them has tried to contact us" ~Calvin |
| From: Ringworm | Posted: 4/12/2004 5:39:48 AM | Message Detail |
| Match 10 preview: I had SMRPG on my bracket, but for the last week or so, it seemed SF2 fans were more vocal. Got me worried a bit. Haven't played SMRPG (wasn't released here), but SF2 was quite good. Guess SMRPG must be even better... I thought the result would be a bit closer, but it's all good. Match 12 preview: Boring. No more previews until Doom v Earthbound - they are all obvious. --- Betting: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=8&topic=13583797 9/10 Next: Sonic 2. |
| From: Haste2 | Posted: 4/12/2004 7:24:34 AM | Message Detail |
| Who do you think would win in a direct match, Shining Force or Secret of Mana? SoM, very easily. The SNES is so much more popular than the Genesis here, including its RPGs...SoM is probably the 4th most popular SNES Square game here. It's always been pretty high on the top 10 FAQs list. Dang...I hope daytime pull Sonic over 80.5% for that spread betting contest. :P Actually, it's risen to 80.48% now... ...and when is CJayC going to put up the standings and statistics? --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 4/12/2004 7:42:32 AM | Message Detail |
| Ulti: All in good opinion, smitelf :) Hope you don't mind me moving the discussion over here, Ulti. You check this topic often enough, it seems, and I don't want to bog down your analysis topic with my rants -- that's what this topic is for. Meh, it's just that nothing can get under my skin quite like Xenogears (with the exception of a certain Final Fantasy game that I despise with every fibre of my being). I really hope you're wrong about it winning, Ulti...it's personal for me. I'd love to see that pretentious, half-baked game take a fall to a game that was brilliant in its simplicity. Having to sit and watch as the dazzling potential of Xenogears was brutally raped in the second disc was a scarring experience. I've got Pokemon in my bracket despite my reservations...betting against a Square RPG is rarely a wise move but Pokemon does have a shot. --- Engaged to MWIS 04/07/04 Current Score: 9/9, Next Winner: Super Mario RPG |
| From: steve illumina | Posted: 4/12/2004 8:49:59 AM | Message Detail |
| Well here we go kiddies :) Time for... Steve Illumina Speaks Thats right, the infamous yet humorous commentary is back, to go with all the rest of us here in this, the greatest of threads, the most worthy of postings on this fanboy dominated board. And so it continues, with yet another lamo matchup in the "Greatest Generation" Division Match XII (4)Super Mario World vs (13)The Simpsons Steve's Prediction: Mario by 80%+ Steve's Bracket: Mario Newbie's Pick: Yoshi Upset Chances: Go get a Flaming Moe! Comments: Here we got the first Icon vs Icon match, though I stretch that term here, for Nintendo Icon Mario takes on the Icon of the FOX network...The Simpsons. The second in a lineup of easy matches, this one is only notable in that on eof the most fun multiplayer arcade games ever is actually represented in the tourney. The Simpsons arcade game was brilliant in its day, with lots of in-jokes, a cool plotline, and fun happy play. I still feed a local machine a few quarters from time to time...and its been out like 15 yrs! Widely loved on TV, with a legacy of games varying from good like this one to lousy like Bart vs The World on NES, the over 300 episode strong Simpsons is a cultural icon. Loved by enough to make it in the tourney, it will put up a showing worthy of its spot. I wont be shocked if it pulls 30% either. But it cant win...Mario is too strong...and so the plumber's 2nd of 3 games shall ride a green dinosaur to what will be, for me, the best of the 2nd round matchups. A match I will enjoy commenting on...Sonic 2 vs Mario World Probable Results: The plumber aint go no leaky pipes here! Mario by 80% or more. Steve's Moments: Mario: When I got my SNES the month it came out in 1991...I thought this game was the most gorgeous thing I had ever seen. Truly Mario's finest hour, not the so-so RPG from yesterday. Simpsons: Smithers! Mr. Burns! 3 eyed fishes you can throw! Fun Fun FUN! --- SC2K4: 9/11 Points! Read my Satirical Contest Commentary! Steve Illumina: Standing tall against fanboys for over 20 years |
| From: Chucat | Posted: 4/12/2004 8:55:42 AM | Message Detail |
| Ngamer, do you mind making a text version of the Guru standings? I don't have Excel so I can't see the list. Google search for "Excel Viewer", it gives you an installable program that lets you see Excel files, but you can't edit them. --- I believe in hell only as a good final level in video games and place to put absurdly strong monsters and bosses. - Hephasto the Armorer |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 4/12/2004 8:59:55 AM | Message Detail |
| Match Review: SMRPG vs. Street Fighter II Phew, still got my perfect bracket. This match proves once and for all that the fighting genre has little power on this site. Match Preview: Super Mario World vs. The Simpsons Super Mario World: Anyone who ever owned a SNES should have played this game as it was packaged with it. Few consider it the best of Mario's games but it certainly has exposure. The Simpsons: Not the show, the arcade game, which is the #1 reason for its inevitable loss. The only thing remotely intriguing about this match will be seeing how much The Simpsons' TV show popularity impacts the match. I don't think it will, much. My prediction: SMW 85%, The Simpsons 15% --- Engaged to MWIS 04/07/04 Current Score: 10/10, Next Winner: Sonic 2 |
| From: Yesmar | Posted: 4/12/2004 12:59:11 PM | Message Detail |
| Yesmar's Contest Comments: Day 11: 4/12/04 · I decided to hold off with my commentary until today in case the percentage changed, but I see that it hasn't. Whew! Does anybody know if any game or character has ever come back by this much after losing the lead for the first few hours? · Even though I had Street Fighter winning in my bracket, I'm kinda happy that SMRPG won, since I've played the second two Mario RPG's and loved both of them. · This match should also give us some insight into how close matches involving games like Xenogears and Chrono Trigger (that were never released in Europe) will be run. The game that was only released Stateswide will take the lead early on, since it is morning in Europe and then the other one should catch up as the day goes on. · As for today's match: Sonic 2 gets roughly the amount I expected it to and shows that it can't just be automatically discounted for its second round match. · However, if Super Mario World fails to get a blowout next round, don't worry. The Simpsons will probably pull in a lot of extra votes from people who are voting more for the TV Show than they are the arcade game. · I still expect Super Mario World to make it to the Sweet Sixteen with around 55-60% against Sonic 2. 53% at the very least. --- Heh Heh... The wind... It is blowing...--Ganondorf |
| From: creativename | Posted: 4/12/2004 3:27:36 PM | Message Detail |
| The
game that was only released Stateswide will take the lead early on,
since it is morning in Europe and then the other one should catch up as
the day goes on. Yes, good point. I can already see the dozens of posts that will claim Pokemon will come back against Xenogears due to the "kiddie vote"--since Pikachu was I think the original "kiddie vote" candidate--when of course it's been made clear that there's no such thing. There are however different voting patterns at different times of the day, and the "time zone factor" is the most logical and sensible explanation for this. Since the vast majority of the voting occurs after people wake up, and voting doesn't really start picking up until 7am-9am Eastern and peaks between 3pm-7pm Eastern on weekdays (11am-3pm on weekends), you can't call close matches until the morning vote starts. But the morning vote obviously != kiddie vote, and it seems that half the people are usually wrong on which party it will end up benefitting, if it even benefits either. I think that the Super Luigi World (I'll call it that, because I want to) vs. Simpsons Arcade Game match is difficult to predict %-wise. The popularity of the Simpsons game is difficult to pin down. I could see Super Luigi World getting anywhere from 66%-87%. --- Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4! SC2K4.com |
| From: cyko | Posted: 4/12/2004 4:21:03 PM | Message Detail |
| Having to sit and watch as the dazzling potential of Xenogears was brutally raped in the second disc was a scarring experience. amen, smitelf. the game was pretty enjoyable until the second disc came around and i watched all the fun of this game unravel before my eyes. 12 hours of gameplay that consisted of one long, repetitive dungeon, ten or so boss fights, and nine hours of complicated, pretentious, incomprehensible story. bleh.... anywho, i didn't quite get around to posting my point of view for today's match, but does it really matter? this is one of the longest string of blowouts in the contest. so, here, i'll give you a condensed version: cyko's Point of View Matches 11 through 14 (5) Sonic the Hedgehog 2 vs. (12) Shining Force (4) Super Mario World vs. (13) The Simpsons (6) Legend of Zelda: Link to the Past vs. (11) Gunstar Heroes (3) Super Metroid vs. (14) Phantasy Star 4 seriously, there is no question of who will win these matches. you have three of Nintendo's biggest icons and Sega's biggest icon against some obscure Genesis games and a Simpsons arcade game. it's just a matter of which one will score the biggest blowout. before seeing Sonic's massive whooping today, i would've said the order of biggest blowout from largest to smallest would be: LTTP, Super Metroid, SMW, then Sonic 2. but, now, i think Mario will have a tough time getting more than 80% against the Simpsons name. 75% easily, but fans of the television series might give the game a boost. but, then again, Metal Gear Solid didn't do very much for Metal Gear. *yawn* bring on Earthbound vs. Doom!!! Predictions and Bracket - duh. Personal Favorites - Shining Force, Super Mario World, Zelda: LTTP, and Super Metroid - i never cared for the Sonic games very much. they were pretty stale and repetitive compared to the vastly superior Mario games (so i was a bit of a Nintendo fan-boy in the 90's. so sue me. =P) SF, on the other hand, i played on the Sega Smash Pack on the Dreamcast; just to pass time until FFX came out. turns out, i really got into it. it was a well put together tactical RPG and even though it was ten years old when i first played it, i really enjoyed it. the next three games are all simply masterpieces. if you haven't played SMW, LTTP or S. Metroid, then you have missed some of the finest gaming experiences there are. but as an honorable mention, Gunstar Heroes was a fantastic multiplayer shooter, and The Simpsons was a hilarious and enjoyable arcade game. they are both on my personal favorite list, but it's a shame that they both face such juggernauts so early. =/ --- Current Score: 14/14 (through Super Metroid vs. PS4) Tied for 1st place with ????? other users. A WINNER of Trivia 12 |
| From: cyko | Posted: 4/12/2004 7:00:53 PM | Message Detail |
| and, to break up the boredom of this week's matches, i give you: cyko's New and Improved Top 10......er....5 Lists. now easier to read! Top 5 Biggest Blowouts (difference in percentage) 1) 90.40% - Legend of Zelda over Adventure 2) 75.28% - Final Fantasy over Pitfall 3) 64.60% - Super Mario Bros. 3 over Metal Gear 4) 58.78% - Chrono Trigger over Secret of Mana 5) 56.50% - Tetris over Galaga Top 5 Biggest Vote Gaps (difference in votes) 1) 88208 - Legend of Zelda over Adventure 2) 74682 - Final Fantasy over Pitfall 3) 53087 - Chrono Trigger over Secret of Mana 4) 48162 - Super Mario Bros. 3 over Metal Gear 5) 47747 - Tetris over Galaga Top 5 Closest Matches (difference in percentage) 1) 0.14% - Donkey Kong over Duck Hunt 2) 12.48% - Super Mario RPG over Street Fighter 2 3) 22.04% - Contra over Phantasy Star 4) 36.02% - Pong over River City Ransom 5) 37.02% - Metroid over Pac-Man Top 5 Smallest Vote Gaps (difference in votes) 1) 143 - Donkey Kong over Duck Hunt 2) 12076 - Super Mario RPG over Street Fighter 2 3) 20080 - Contra over Phantasy Star 4) 26931 - Metroid over Pac-Man 5) 30544 - Pong over River City Ransom Top 5 Most Popular Polls (by vote totals) 1) 99194 - Final Fantasy vs. Pitfall 2) 97580 - Legend of Zelda vs. Adventure 3) 97031 - Donkey Kong vs. Duck Hunt 4) 96704 - Super Mario RPG vs. Street Fighter 2 5) 91106 - Phantasy Star vs. Contra Top 5 Least Popular Polls (by vote totals) 1) 72743 - Metroid vs. Pac-Man 2) 74556 - super Mario Bros. 3 vs. Metal Gear 3) 84501 - Tetris vs. Galaga 4) 84804 - Pong vs. River City Ransom 5) 90307 - Chrono Trigger vs. Secret of Mana Top 5 Highest Individual Votes 1) 92894 - Legend of Zelda 2) 86938 - Final Fantasy 3) 71697 - Chrono Trigger 4) 66124 - Tetris 5) 61359 - Super Mario Bros. 3 Top 5 Lowest Individual Votes 1) 4686 - Adventure 2) 12256 - Pitfall 3) 13197 - Metal Gear 4) 18377 - Tetris 5) 18610 - Secret of Mana Top 5 Most Impressive Losers (by votes) 1) 48444 - Duck Hunt 2) 42314 - Street Fighter 2 3) 35513 - Phantasy Star 4) 27130 - River City Ransom 5) 22906 - Pac-Man Top 5 Least Impressive Winners (by votes) 1) 48587 - Donkey Kong 2) 49837 - Metroid 3) 54390 - Super Mario RPG 4) 55593 - Contra 5) 57674 - Pong Top 5 Easiest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner) 1) no data yet 2) 3) 4) 5) Top 10 Hardest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner) 1) no data yet 2) 3) 4) 5) i'll expand them to Top 10 after enough matches have taken place. enjoy! --- Current Score: 14/14 (through Super Metroid vs. PS4) Tied for 1st place with ????? other users. A WINNER of Trivia 12 |
| From: Who Cares? | Posted: 4/12/2004 7:10:54 PM | Message Detail |
| I would consider putting a asterisk by the vote totals for SMB3 v Metal Gear & Metroid v PacMan since it had to share the PotD with GameRiot, but whatever... |
| From: nifboy | Posted: 4/12/2004 8:16:46 PM | Message Detail |
| Top 5 Lowest Individual Votes 4) 18377 - Tetris Um, I think you mean Galaga. --- "We seek as much data - raw facts, direct experience - as we can, and then we make up our own minds." - J. Moore |
| From: creativename | Posted: 4/12/2004 8:27:19 PM | Message Detail |
| Thanks for the lists cyko. I would consider putting a asterisk by the vote totals for SMB3 v Metal Gear & Metroid v PacMan since it had to share the PotD with GameRiot, I was thinking the same exact thing. Also, I think maybe you should consider changing the misleading "Most Impressive"/"Least Impressive" list titles. Vote totals aren't a great indication of how impressive a performance was since the total votes in a poll are subject to so many extraneous factors. Calling them "Highest Vote Getting Losers" and "Lowest Vote getting Winners" makes more sense I think. I really hope Ceej puts up the contest data soon. Discussion in this topic should pick up after that happens. It's actually been rather slow in here since the contest started, outside of a few flurries of activity. --- Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4! SC2K4.com |
| From: Valiant Frog | Posted: 4/12/2004 8:28:08 PM | Message Detail |
| Yeah, it would be rather nice to see the contest statistics go up. --- "Lower thine guard and thou`rt allowing the enemy in." - Frog (Chrono Trigger) SpC2k4 : Winner - Chrono Trigger |
| From: Z1mZum | Posted: 4/12/2004 8:28:58 PM | Message Detail |
| It's
hard to have a discussion about statistics if there aren't any up yet.
I think come Earthbound/Doom the boards will be more active in general. --- Mega Man in the Summer Contest '04? You better believe it! |
| From: Phediuk | Posted: 4/12/2004 9:44:05 PM | Message Detail |
| Match #10 Review: Super Mario RPG took the lead in the first hour...and then, Street Fighter II struck right back. For five long hours, SFII held back its competitor, but the morning vote went totally in favor of SMRPG, which had the match in a lock by noon at the latest. SMRPG did a little better than I expected, but no other surprises here...the whining from all of the fighting-game fanboys was quite amusing, though. Match #12 Preview: Just another boring match. Since this is a video game site, Simpsons series voters probably won't make a lick of difference. I foresee an 80%+ blowout in SMW's favor. --- "Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle." -Toad in Super Mario Bros. |
| From: Haste2 | Posted: 4/12/2004 10:05:06 PM | Message Detail |
| 1) 4686 - Adventure Heh...this is not only a all-time low record in percentage, but also in votes. Ms. Pac-Man at least got over 5,000 votes. Speaking of vote numbers, don't you think the amount of visitors will increase, as the contest ends at the start of June? We're already getting 95,000 voters, so take into account the beginning of summer, as well as the general increase of votes in later rounds, and we could have vote totals as high, or even higher, than in the past. Oh, and I noticed that Final Fantasy vs. Pitfall has the highest vote total so far. I guess it's the Final Fantasy series in general that attracts voters, rather than just FF7. As for Xenogears...the game was indeed a mess. If they took the time to truly complete it, it probably would've been my favorite game of all time. Wouldn't a "Xenogears Complete" be great? I mean, there was Lunar: Silver Star Story Complete (even though it wasn't really incomplete before). --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| From: Rodri316 | Posted: 4/12/2004 10:09:29 PM | Message Detail |
| One would think there would be more joke votes out of about 95000 than 4686, let alone anti-votes... --- Spring 2004 Contest: Sonic the Hedgehog 2 vs. Shining Force Current Points: 9/10 |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/13/2004 4:15:26 AM | Message Detail |
| Pikachu was I think the original "kiddie vote" candidate No, that would have been Spyro. But if the kiddie vote doesn't exist, then I wonder how the more "familiar" character always gets more votes during daytime. And I'm not sure about one thing, too. We can blame SF2 leading during nighttime on Europeans voting... but we've never seen such a thing during a Crono or Magus match. Why is that? --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 007/010 --- Matches: 07/10 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: Sonic 2 |
| From: cyko | Posted: 4/13/2004 4:37:55 AM | Message Detail |
| I
would consider putting a asterisk by the vote totals for SMB3 v Metal
Gear & Metroid v PacMan since it had to share the PotD with
GameRiot, but whatever... done and done! 4) 18377 - Tetris Um, I think you mean Galaga. uh....... you're not supposed to notice typos. >_> Also, I think maybe you should consider changing the misleading "Most Impressive"/"Least Impressive" list titles. Vote totals aren't a great indication of how impressive a performance was since the total votes in a poll are subject to so many extraneous factors. Calling them "Highest Vote Getting Losers" and "Lowest Vote getting Winners" makes more sense I think. well, Solarshadow named the two categories and it may seem misleading now, but after more matches have passed, it makes more sense. Top 5 Biggest Blowouts (difference in percentage) 1) 90.40% - Legend of Zelda over Adventure 2) 75.28% - Final Fantasy over Pitfall 3) 64.60% - Super Mario Bros. 3 over Metal Gear 4) 61.42% - Sonic 2 over Shining Force 5) 58.78% - Chrono Trigger over Secret of Mana Top 5 Biggest Vote Gaps (difference in votes) 1) 88208 - Legend of Zelda over Adventure 2) 74682 - Final Fantasy over Pitfall 3) 59648 - Sonic 2 over Shining Force 4) 53087 - Chrono Trigger over Secret of Mana 5) 48162 - Super Mario Bros. 3 over Metal Gear Top 5 Closest Matches (difference in percentage) 1) 0.14% - Donkey Kong over Duck Hunt 2) 12.48% - Super Mario RPG over Street Fighter 2 3) 22.04% - Contra over Phantasy Star 4) 36.02% - Pong over River City Ransom 5) 37.02% - Metroid over Pac-Man Top 5 Smallest Vote Gaps (difference in votes) 1) 143 - Donkey Kong over Duck Hunt 2) 12076 - Super Mario RPG over Street Fighter 2 3) 20080 - Contra over Phantasy Star 4) 26931 - Metroid over Pac-Man 5) 30544 - Pong over River City Ransom Top 5 Most Popular Polls (by vote totals) 1) 99194 - Final Fantasy vs. Pitfall 2) 97580 - Legend of Zelda vs. Adventure 3) 97126 - Sonic 2 vs. Shining Force 4) 97031 - Donkey Kong vs. Duck Hunt 5) 96704 - Super Mario RPG vs. Street Fighter 2 Top 5 Least Popular Polls (by vote totals) 1) 72743 - Metroid vs. Pac-Man * 2) 74556 - Super Mario Bros. 3 vs. Metal Gear * 3) 84501 - Tetris vs. Galaga 4) 84804 - Pong vs. River City Ransom 5) 90307 - Chrono Trigger vs. Secret of Mana Top 5 Highest Individual Votes 1) 92894 - Legend of Zelda 2) 86938 - Final Fantasy 3) 78387 - Sonic 2 4) 71697 - Chrono Trigger 5) 66124 - Tetris Top 5 Lowest Individual Votes 1) 4686 - Adventure 2) 12256 - Pitfall 3) 13197 - Metal Gear 4) 18377 - Galaga 5) 18610 - Secret of Mana Top 5 Most Impressive Losers (by votes) 1) 48444 - Duck Hunt 2) 42314 - Street Fighter 2 3) 35513 - Phantasy Star 4) 27130 - River City Ransom 5) 22906 - Pac-Man Top 5 Least Impressive Winners (by votes) 1) 48587 - Donkey Kong 2) 49837 - Metroid 3) 54390 - Super Mario RPG 4) 55593 - Contra 5) 57674 - Pong Top 5 Easiest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner) 1) no data yet 2) 3) 4) 5) Top 10 Hardest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner) 1) no data yet 2) 3) 4) 5) * = shared PotD with GameRiot poll --- Current Score: 14/14 (through Super Metroid vs. PS4) Tied for 1st place with ????? other users. A WINNER of Trivia 12 |
| From: cyko | Posted: 4/13/2004 4:40:54 AM | Message Detail |
| well,
it looks like i underestimated two blowouts in a row. i thought Mario
would have a tough time beating Sonic's blowout against a more
recognizable opponent. instead, he's already four percentage points
higher. SMW could easily break 85% by the end of the day. at this rate,
Zelda will easily break 90% tomorrow. --- Current Score: 14/14 (through Super Metroid vs. PS4) Tied for 1st place with ????? other users. A WINNER of Trivia 12 |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 4/13/2004 4:51:43 AM | Message Detail |
| Incomprehenaisble
storyline? Go read up on the ego, the alterego, and the superego (id),
and that game makes far more sense. Fei`s entire character is based on
the human struggle through balancing egos and personalities while
trying to fit into one`s surroundings at the same time. If you can pull
that out of the story, at least. --- MIASU! I mean, everytime you guys *****, moan, complain, whine, and other things...it actually gives me a hard-on. -Smokin |
| From: ArctheLad13 | Posted: 4/13/2004 5:55:24 AM | Message Detail |
| bump |
| From: steve illumina | Posted: 4/13/2004 6:25:17 AM | Message Detail |
| Well here we go kiddies :) Time for... Steve Illumina Speaks Thats right, the infamous yet humorous commentary is back, to go with all the rest of us here in this, the greatest of threads, the most worthy of postings on this fanboy dominated board. And so it continues, with the 3rd of 4 tuneups in the "Greatest Generation" Division Match XIII (6)Zelda: LTTP vs (11)Gunstar Heroes Steve's Prediction: Zelda by 90%+ Steve's Bracket: Link Newbie's Pick: Same as above Upset Chances: Mana would have had a better chance Comments: Here we got the easiest in a set of 4 easy matches. Nintendo's Juggernaut vs a Genesis cult classic. Here is a misseeding of the highest order. Gunstar Heroes, if it belongs at all in this tourney...but that is a debatable topic I will not get into now... should have been a #16 seed against Trigger. This game will get slaughtered...embarrassed...destroyed by this SNES masterpiece. It is so not worthy of the 11th seed. Link, however, still angry about losing to that fanboy prop Cloud last year, has enlisted his 4 finest games in an effort to return to contest glory. First lowly Adventure fell to his Wooden Sword, and now the White Sword shall fell this pretender to the throne, Gunstar Heroes. "Ha! Give me Kid Chameleon, I say!" said the vengeful Link. Probable Results: Zelda...90%...enough said. Heroes wont get 10000 votes. Cult following as it is, Zelda is too strong, and it aint in the level of RCR's cult following. Steve's Moments: Zelda: An easy but gorgeous game, simplistic in its design, yet complex in its intricacies. Gunstar: I have never played this game...one of only 2 in this contest I can say that about. (Shenmue is the other) --- SC2K4: 12/14 Points! Read my Satirical Contest Commentary! Steve Illumina: Standing tall against fanboys for over 20 years |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 4/13/2004 7:50:54 AM | Message Detail |
| amen,
smitelf. the game was pretty enjoyable until the second disc came
around and i watched all the fun of this game unravel before my eyes.
12 hours of gameplay that consisted of one long, repetitive dungeon,
ten or so boss fights, and nine hours of complicated, pretentious,
incomprehensible story. bleh.... I didn't find it incomprehensible (complicated and pretentious, yes) but it was not at all the quality I had been led to expect. The first disc was great; sure, there were some scenes that I knew I would have to play through the game again to completely understand but I didn't mind that so much. Disc 1 was all that a game should be and more. If Disc 2 had kept up that pace and quality, Xenogears would probably be one of my top three favorite games of all time. What I do mind is that, for some reason, Square decided to cut every conceivable corner on the second disc to the point where I didn't care about the story anymore; there was so much story going so fast that they could (and should) have made two or three games out of it. And there was very little gameplay at all; disc 2 should have been called "Storytime with Fei" because pretty much all you do is read the screen for half an hour and then fight a boss battle. Rinse and repeat. Xenogears may have had a good story in Disc 1 but not in Disc 2. Look, if I want to read a good story, I'll pick up a book: nothing done in video games can compare to some of the great novels out there. I play RPGs because they have a nice combination of good story and interactivity. Disc 2 was both unimpressive story-wise for at least the first half of the disc and was almost entirely devoid of gameplay. Anyway, the story isn't that impressive. If you want a good story in a video game, go play Planescape: Torment. Nothing I've ever played is comparable. I'm still hoping for Xenosaga to be what Xenogears was not: complete and enjoyable. --- Engaged to MWIS 04/07/04 Current Score: 10/10, Next Winner: Sonic 2 |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 4/13/2004 8:02:20 AM | Message Detail |
| Match Review: Sonic 2 vs. Shining Force Wow, Sonic kicked some serious butt. This match shows the strength of this game and indicates that its second round match against Super Mario World may be very entertaining. Match Preview: The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past vs. Gunstar Heroes LttP: Considered by many to be superior even to OoT and probably the second most beloved Zelda game of the series overall. Count on LttP making some noise in this contest. Gunstar Heroes: Ah, another of those Sega games I haven't played or even heard of. LttP is a Zelda game, and a popular one at that. Remember last round? I'm assuming Gunstar Heroes isn't quite as obscure as Adventure so it shouldn't take quite so much of a beating -- then again, LttP is clearly favored over the original Zelda. Link and the Zelda series have proven themselves to be blowout masters and this match shouldn't be much different except it won't be quite so humiliating for GH as Adventure's match was for it. My prediction: LttP 90%, Gunstar Heroes 10% --- Engaged to MWIS 04/07/04 Current Score: 10/10, Next Winner: Sonic 2 |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/13/2004 9:10:57 AM | Message Detail |
| *** COMPARISONS GAME - Match #13 - (6) LEGEND OF ZELDA: A LINK TO THE PAST vs. (11) GUNSTAR HEROES *** Sales Y'know, sometimes I wonder why I keep going when I'm doing matches such as this. If Gunstar Heroes sold more than LttP, then I'm more than willing to perform a dissection on my own brain. Gunstar Heroes is probably seeded so high because of the Halo syndrome. Yet it still got a higher seed than Shining Force, even though it is on the same console... CJayC making up for LttP's blatant misseeding (should have been a 2!) with a pathetic opponent, not unlike what he did by giving Crono Tom Nook as overseeded first round fodder? - Advantage LttP. Franchise Can't spell Gunstar Heroes without Final Fantasy... oh wait, yes we can. Oh yes that we can. - Advantage LttP. GameFAQs Status Number of FAQs: LttP Number of reviews: LttP Average review score: LttP Board activity: LttP Ummm... HIS SWORD SHOOTS LASER BEAMS? - Advantage LttP. Board Odds Project PICKS (out of 102) Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past - 102 POINT VALUE 7. Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past - 734 57. Gunstar Heroes - 0 Bleh... that's just another match to lower the points lost/points in play ratio in the BOP. Or totally wreck it... ah, who am I kidding? - Advantage LttP. Summer Contests / Polls of the Day Like in most first round blowouts, we don't know a thing about the underdog. What we do know, however, is that Link kicked ass like the ass-kicking knight-archer he is in SC2K2, and would have done the same in SC2K3 if it wasn't for a game featuring Mickey Mouse. Plus, LttP is the only game in any "favorite of the series" poll to offer serious resistance to the perennial winner (namely OoT), other than Metroid Prime. SMW can't do that. FF6 can't do that. LttP can. And it's worshipped even among OoT hate-clubs! - Advantage LttP. Intangibles You want me to tell you what's intangible in this match? A Gunstar Heroes cartridge, that's what's intangible. - Advantage LttP. Conclusion: This is going to be the biggest blowout in the division. And once again, it will be by a Zelda game. OoT has a decent shot to do it at the moment... WW is the only Zelda game that probably won't be able to do so, only because it's not the game that is facing Shenmue. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 008/011 --- Matches: 08/11 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: SMW |
| From: therealmnm | Posted: 4/13/2004 9:29:48 AM | Message Detail |
| I'm
REALLY beginning to feel bad about picking SM over LttP. Although I
like both games, LttP is my absolute favorite Zelda game. I noticed
someone claimed that it was an easy game. However, I thought that it
was MUCH harder than OoT and WW. I also feel that LttP is the best
Zelda game period. Picture it this way.... if all Zelda games were made
on the same platform with the same game engines, which do YOU think
would be the best? LttP had 10, count them, 10 dungeons! (Not even
including Hyrule Castle and Ganon's Tower) And none of them were
repetitive. I was highly disappointed at WW's lack of dungeons. Plus,
LttP has BLIND THE THIEF!!!! How many other games have cross-dressing
demonic thieves that have 3 heads??? Here's hoping that Nintendo brings
back Blind in the next Zelda game. --- "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't." |
| From: Yesmar | Posted: 4/13/2004 11:28:58 AM | Message Detail |
| Yesmar's Contest Comments: Day 11: 4/12/04 · Wow! I thought for sure that The Simpsons would get some kind of boost from the TV show, but it apparently it hasn't. The day voters appear to be favoring it however. · This utter PWNing instantly erases any doubts I had about Super Mario World making it to the Sweet Sixteen. Heck, at this point I'm a little worried about Chrono Trigger's chances. · I doubt that Link to the Past will be able to get over 90% tomorrow, but if it does many people (including me) will be foretelling Final Fantasy VI's doom, depending on how well it can do against Mortal Kombat and on how well Super Metroid can do in its match. --- Heh Heh... The wind... It is blowing...--Ganondorf |
| From: steve illumina | Posted: 4/13/2004 1:58:16 PM | Message Detail |
| Zelda
will crush tomorrow only cause the competition is so weak. Metroid and
FF3 face far more worthy foes (P Star 4 and MK!) who will eat away more
votes from them than Gunstar Heroes will from Zelda. So these first round matches cant be relied on too much... --- SC2K4: 12/14 Points! Read my Satirical Contest Commentary! Steve Illumina: Standing tall against fanboys for over 20 years |
| From: swirldude | Posted: 4/13/2004 2:00:37 PM | Message Detail |
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| From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 4/13/2004 2:01:57 PM | Message Detail |
| Anyone
have any thoughts on how you think the Earthbound vs. Doom match will
play out? Many say it`ll be the next close match, but I`m still
thinking of a 60-40 matchup in fvaor of Doom. --- "Cyrus this be our finest battle..." - Frog (Chrono Trigger) SPC2k4 : Winner - Chrono Trigger |
| From: Phediuk | Posted: 4/13/2004 5:33:36 PM | Message Detail |
| Match #11 Review: Sonic 2 did a little better than I expected...no other surprises here, though. Match #13 Preview: Just another blowout. --- "Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle." -Toad in Super Mario Bros. |
| From: Crazy C | Posted: 4/13/2004 5:46:19 PM | Message Detail |
| I think with EB/Doom, it may be a close enough match, but I can see the 60/40 swinging either way as well. --- And then you woke up. |
| From: Rodri316 | Posted: 4/13/2004 5:51:35 PM | Message Detail |
| I
think Earthbound vs. Doom will be one of those matches that won't be
very close but will still be hard as hell to predict. Either game could
win, but the one that does will probably win by about 60%. A similar thing might happen with Halo: Combat Evolved vs. Starcraft. Such won't be the case with Perfect Dark vs. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night. I think that match will be very close, the winner taking it by 51-52%. --- Spring 2004 Contest: Super Mario World vs. The Simpsons Current Points: 10/11 |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 4/13/2004 9:09:11 PM | Message Detail |
| *hides from sex topics* --- Engaged to MWIS 04/07/04 Current Score: 11/11, Next Winner: Super Mario World |
| From: cyko | Posted: 4/14/2004 4:32:15 AM | Message Detail |
| ho-hum. another day, another blowout. Top 5 Biggest Blowouts (difference in percentage) 1) 90.40% - Legend of Zelda over Adventure 2) 75.28% - Final Fantasy over Pitfall 3) 64.60% - Super Mario Bros. 3 over Metal Gear 4) 62.94% - Super Mario World over The Simpsons 5) 61.42% - Sonic 2 over Shining Force Top 5 Biggest Vote Gaps (difference in votes) 1) 88208 - Legend of Zelda over Adventure 2) 74682 - Final Fantasy over Pitfall 3) 61229 - Super Mario World over The Simpsons 4) 59648 - Sonic 2 over Shining Force 5) 53087 - Chrono Trigger over Secret of Mana Top 5 Closest Matches (difference in percentage) 1) 0.14% - Donkey Kong over Duck Hunt 2) 12.48% - Super Mario RPG over Street Fighter 2 3) 22.04% - Contra over Phantasy Star 4) 36.02% - Pong over River City Ransom 5) 37.02% - Metroid over Pac-Man Top 5 Smallest Vote Gaps (difference in votes) 1) 143 - Donkey Kong over Duck Hunt 2) 12076 - Super Mario RPG over Street Fighter 2 3) 20080 - Contra over Phantasy Star 4) 26931 - Metroid over Pac-Man 5) 30544 - Pong over River City Ransom Top 5 Most Popular Polls (by vote totals) 1) 99194 - Final Fantasy vs. Pitfall 2) 97580 - Legend of Zelda vs. Adventure 3) 97285 - Super Mario World vs. The Simpsons 4) 97126 - Sonic 2 vs. Shining Force 5) 97031 - Donkey Kong vs. Duck Hunt Top 5 Least Popular Polls (by vote totals) 1) 72743 - Metroid vs. Pac-Man * 2) 74556 - Super Mario Bros. 3 vs. Metal Gear * 3) 84501 - Tetris vs. Galaga 4) 84804 - Pong vs. River City Ransom 5) 90307 - Chrono Trigger vs. Secret of Mana Top 5 Highest Individual Votes 1) 92894 - Legend of Zelda 2) 86938 - Final Fantasy 3) 79257 - Super Mario World 4) 78387 - Sonic 2 5) 71697 - Chrono Trigger Top 5 Lowest Individual Votes 1) 4686 - Adventure 2) 12256 - Pitfall 3) 13197 - Metal Gear 4) 18028 - The Simpsons 5) 18377 - Galaga Top 5 Most Impressive Losers (by votes) 1) 48444 - Duck Hunt 2) 42314 - Street Fighter 2 3) 35513 - Phantasy Star 4) 27130 - River City Ransom 5) 22906 - Pac-Man Top 5 Least Impressive Winners (by votes) 1) 48587 - Donkey Kong 2) 49837 - Metroid 3) 54390 - Super Mario RPG 4) 55593 - Contra 5) 57674 - Pong Top 5 Easiest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner) 1) no data yet 2) 3) 4) 5) Top 10 Hardest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner) 1) no data yet 2) 3) 4) 5) * = shared PotD with GameRiot poll --- Current Score: 14/14 (through Super Metroid vs. PS4) Tied for 1st place with ????? other users. A WINNER of Trivia 12 |
| From: wizardman | Posted: 4/14/2004 4:50:22 AM | Message Detail |
| 2) 12.48% - Super Mario RPG over Street Fighter 2 What surprised me here is that when I checked, SFII was winning around by about 10%. For SMRPG to come back that much shows something abou how this contest will turn out. *Checks to see that he had RPG's in the final 2.* --- What do you do? Tear up sheets of paper with equations written on them? X Launcher on Math Murderer |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 4/14/2004 4:54:38 AM | Message Detail |
| This is a sex topic? --- MIASU! I mean, everytime you guys *****, moan, complain, whine, and other things...it actually gives me a hard-on. -Smokin |
| From: Phediuk | Posted: 4/14/2004 7:13:11 AM | Message Detail |
| 2) 12.48% - Super Mario RPG over Street Fighter 2 What surprised me here is that when I checked, SFII was winning around by about 10%. What? SFII never even reached 51%... --- "Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle." -Toad in Super Mario Bros. |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 4/14/2004 8:40:47 AM | Message Detail |
| This is a sex topic? Hehe, no, I was just "hiding" from all the ones infesting the board last night...this seemed like a safe spot. Match Review: Super Mario World vs. The Simpsons All this match did was prove that a) SMW vs. Sonic 2 will indeed be good, and b) people can tell The Simpsons' game apart from the TV show. Good for them. Match Preview: Super Metroid vs. Phantasy Star IV Oh, screw it. Why bother? We all know how this is going to end...the excruciating obviousness of it is only exacerbated by it being the day before Earthbound vs. Doom. My prediction: Super Metroid 85%, Phantasy Star IV 15% --- Engaged to MWIS 04/07/04 Current Score: 12/12, Next Winner: The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past |
| From: FastFalcon05 | Posted: 4/14/2004 8:47:55 AM | Message Detail |
| I
know someone on this board had known this before, but what time last
year did the stats get put up, after the 11th battle or something like
that? --- Was nokia trying to prove that something can be made worse than x-box? ~Darkbaconslayer on N-Gage |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/14/2004 8:51:51 AM | Message Detail |
| Holy
****... LttP is absolutely dismantling Gunstar Heroes. FF6 will be
ridiculously hard-pressed to do that good against MK, all proportions
kept of course. Then again, I never thought FF6 could beat LttP, but
for those who do... do not pass Go, do not collect 4 points and kiss
your bracket goodbye. Now CT vs. LttP should be the point of interest.
I wouldn't favor either game at the moment, though I'm still slightly
disappointed by CT's showing. Looks like SMW barely did better against the Simpsons than Sonic 2 against Shining Force. I'd tend to think Shining Force is the harder opponent... what do you think on that? Is this a sign of Sonic 2 beating SMW (and removing a Mario game in the way of CT)? Nevertheless, Mario seems not to be plagued by anti-votes the way he does in the summer. Could Halo benefit from that too? If it does, Starcraft stands little to no chance, and it could be a legit threat to Kingdom Hearts as well. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 008/011 --- Matches: 08/11 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: SMW |
| From: steve illumina | Posted: 4/14/2004 9:02:31 AM | Message Detail |
| FF6 will beat LTTP... The % of the first round win means nothing really...cause MK is far more popular and worthy an opponent than Gunstar Freakin' Heroes. So FF3 wont win by as much in a few days as Zelda is today...thats expected. But that dont mean it cant beat LTTP... Its all about what the fanboys and casuals like more...yep yep. --- SC2K4: 12/14 Points! Read my Satirical Contest Commentary! Steve Illumina: Standing tall against fanboys for over 20 years |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 4/14/2004 9:05:55 AM | Message Detail |
| Holy
****... LttP is absolutely dismantling Gunstar Heroes. FF6 will be
ridiculously hard-pressed to do that good against MK, all proportions
kept of course. Then again, I never thought FF6 could beat LttP, but
for those who do... do not pass Go, do not collect 4 points and kiss
your bracket goodbye. Why? Obviously, FFVI won't do as well against Mortal Kombat as LttP is doing against Gunstar Heroes because MK is a well-known game and Gunstar Heroes is not. The two matches aren't comparable. If you look at my prediction for this match you'll see I expected LttP to get 90% here. I still think FFVI can take LttP down. Now CT vs. LttP should be the point of interest. I wouldn't favor either game at the moment, though I'm still slightly disappointed by CT's showing. Same here but I still don't see how any other game in its bracket could touch it. What CT's performance *could* mean is its demise against SMB3. I'm still waiting to see how FFVII does against Suikoden II to judge whether or not CT has a shot at the championship, though. Looks like SMW barely did better against the Simpsons than Sonic 2 against Shining Force. I'd tend to think Shining Force is the harder opponent... what do you think on that? Is this a sign of Sonic 2 beating SMW (and removing a Mario game in the way of CT)? No, not really; I think both games did comparably well and that Sonic 2 vs. SMW will be a very close match. --- Engaged to MWIS 04/07/04 Current Score: 12/12, Next Winner: The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/14/2004 9:09:00 AM | Message Detail |
| I never said FF6 would get 90% on MK, duh. Note "all proportions kept". But if it gets anything below 70%, I don't like its chances. At all. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 008/011 --- Matches: 08/11 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: SMW |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 4/14/2004 9:15:22 AM | Message Detail |
| I never said FF6 would get 90% on MK, duh. Note "all proportions kept". But if it gets anything below 70%, I don't like its chances. At all. Oh, okay. Since FFVI won't get under 70%, though, I still don't see what your point is. --- Engaged to MWIS 04/07/04 Current Score: 12/12, Next Winner: The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past |
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