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From: Okizzay | Posted: 4/10/2004 12:06:38 AM | Message Detail

Nice
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Hylian Knight
Baritone Saxophone in the SpC2K4 Band

From: steve illumina | Posted: 4/10/2004 6:19:36 AM | Message Detail

Well here we go kiddies :) Time for...

Steve Illumina Speaks

Thats right, the infamous yet humorous commentary is back, to go with all the rest of us here in this, the greatest of threads, the most worthy of postings on this fanboy dominated board.

And so it continues, with the best matchup in the 1st round of the "Greatest Generation" Division

Match X

(8)Super Mario RPG vs (9)Street Fighter 2

Steve's Prediction: Street Fighter 2 with 55%+
Steve's Bracket: Street Fighter 2
Newbie's Pick: Mario
Upset Chances: Its gonna be an upset!

Comments: Here we got one of the best 1st round matches we are gonna see, as King of Fighters Street Fighter 2 Arcade, takes on cult classic Super Mario RPG.

Every summer contest, crybaby fanboys from Nintendo, Square and Mario get together and hold a meeting. They share their tears about why characters from their beloved Mario RPG aint in the contest. They actually think they belong, and that they got a chance to win if they were!

Not to be undaunted, this diehard group of loyalists banded together this year to nominate their favorite son game, Mario RPG, into the tourney of games, and on the hallowed holy day of Easter, it shall ride into battle to face...

SF2! Yep, 15 years ago Capcom took a chance, and released a arcade fighting game unlike any ever seen at the time. Featuring 8 unique worldly playable characters and 4 bosses too, this game gave rise to a phenomenon which peaked in the early 90's, but is still quite strong in parts of the world...the fighting game genre.

One of few games other than Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy to stir the passions of our gaming brethren in the Far East, SF2 became a worldwide hit. It spawned toys, movies, 4 expansion versions like SF2 Turbo Edition, offshoot versions like SF Alpha and SF EX, and gave rise to a genre of games which brought us other legends like my dear Mortal Kombat.

Fittingly, this week Capcom announced the 15th Anniv. SF2 Collection for the PS2...a fitting tribute to a game that did as much for gaming as the likes of Mario, Final Fantasy, and Karnov. Ok, maybe not Karnov...

Probable Results: This hard fought match will be close. Maybe scary close like that messed up Duck Hunt match. One one side ya got the Nintendites, Mario lovers, and hard core RPG'rs who will back the product borne of the 1st marriage of Mr. Square and Mrs. Nintendo. And on the other front ya got the fighting gamers, the international vote, arcade diehards, Ryu fanboys (he has quite a following ya know), T Hawk lovers (maybe 2 of those) and who has not heard of SF2? Not many. SF2 will edge and break many brackets and fanboy dreams this Easter night.

Steve's Moments: Mario RPG: it deserves a port or even a remake on GBA...look for it next year...I predict it! SF2: Too many memories of this game to list...but Zangief is my character of choice! Gorby uses him :)
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Steve Illumina: Standing tall against fanboys for over 20 years

From: Phediuk | Posted: 4/10/2004 6:56:47 AM | Message Detail

I'm kinda in a hurry so these'll have to be quick...

Match #8 Review:

Tetris beat Galaga easily, but was a little weaker than I expected. This just reassures me that it stands no chance in its Round 3 match against The Legend of Zelda.

Match #10 Preview:

Street Fighter II may be legendary, but fighting games don't get much support on GameFAQs (except SSBM) and Super Mario RPG has two advantages right in its title: Mario and RPG.

It'll be close, but SMRPG should edge out the win.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

From: anividguru | Posted: 4/10/2004 6:59:11 AM | Message Detail

From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/10/2004 11:40:33 AM | Message Detail

*** COMPARISONS GAME - Match #10 - (8) SUPER MARIO RPG vs. (9) STREET FIGHTER 2 ***

Sales

Thanks to my fellow board users, I got to see that in Japan, the original SF2 outsold SMRPG 2 to 1, and when you throw in the other versions, this goes as high as 4 to 1. SMRPG didn't come out in Europe. With that kind of hindrance, I don't think I need to say anything about North America.

- Advantage SF2.

Franchises

Street Fighter and Super Smash Bros. are the only fighting series that get any sort of respect around here. It takes one hell of a character to get 40% on Snake or pre-Prime Samus, and Ryu was able to accomplish that. But come on... it's Mario. The guy who messed with the best both times and came out, if not winning, looking very strong. The guy who revolutionized video games. The... oh, I might as well stop now. It's MARIO.

- Advantage SMRPG.

GameFAQs Status

Number of FAQs: SMRPG w/ SF2, SF2 w/ all versions
Number of reviews: SMRPG w/ SF2, SF2 w/ all versions
Average review score: SMRPG
Board activity: SMRPG

It's the other SF2 versions, Alpha and Turbo, that save its ass in the first two categories. But SMRPG shines so much in the scores that it's impossible not to give it this criteria.

- Advantage SMRPG.

Board Odds Project

PICKS (out of 102)
Super Mario RPG - 57
Street Fighter 2 - 45

POINT VALUE
34. Super Mario RPG - 57
35. Street Fighter 2 - 45

According to this, this match is the hardest to call in the entire tournament. No other match, including the later rounds, is as evenly split as this. And... absolutely no one has the winner getting past CT (or SoM for that guy who had DDR winning the tournament). But, 57-45 still isn't something to spit on. Especially when SF2 was dominating early in the project.

- Advantage SMRPG

Summer Contests / Polls of the Day

In the last "favorite Mario game" poll, SMRPG wasn't there. And I don't think I've ever seen SF2 either.

Now, while Ryu may be a good indicator of where SF2 stands, Mario is most definitely not for SMRPG. See below for why.

- UNAVAILABLE.

Intangibles

It's Nintendo. It's Square. And it has Mario. With Link and Samus cameos.

It's indestructible, right?

WRONG!

The problem is, not all Mario fans liked SMRPG. And not all RPG fans either. I'm a big fan of Mario, and unless you were to count Yoshi's Story as a Mario game, SMRPG is my least favorite Mario. When only one thing (Bowser) keeps you from leaving the game in the dust forever, you know there's a problem. And I can't put my finger on what it is, I just didn't like it.

And I know there are some people who agree with me on that.

The problem is that too many people believe the cliché that says fanboys vote in blocks. Hello! Where were the Nintendites when Bowser was up against Cloud? Voting for Cloud! Where were the Squareheads when Kefka went toe-to-toe with Pac-Man? Voting for Pac-Man!

In that aspect, the game will only reach a given portion of both fanbases, the intersection rather than the sum. This was the main argument brought up in favor of Master Chief against Geno when debating yours truly's proposed SC2K4 bracket.

Now, why did none of the people who hated the game review it? Simple. You just can't point a je-ne-sais-quoi to say "this game sucks" in an official review. But ultimately, this je-ne-sais-quoi, for those who felt it at least, might come back to haunt SMRPG tomorrow.

That and SMRPG never seeing a European shelf, ever. Mark my words... Crono would be in contention for the championship year after year if CT got there.

- Advantage SF2.
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 006/008 --- Matches: 06/08 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: CT

From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/10/2004 11:40:51 AM | Message Detail

Conclusion: We won't be subjected to the same kind of whining we were subjected to during Pong/RCR and CT/SoM. It's not obvious winner vs. obvious loser anymore. (I still can't believe some PERFECTS were lost with CT winning. One who saw Contra and DK winning surely should know better.) Now it's an all-out battle between two seemingly equal games (watch the result make me lie again). Both have a lot going for them, but they also have hindrances they have to deal with. We might as well see Crono whoop on a kimono-wearing Mario or a mustachioed Ryu next round.
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 006/008 --- Matches: 06/08 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: CT

From: cyko | Posted: 4/10/2004 11:42:07 AM | Message Detail

Does anyone know when CJayC is posting the stat pages for the contest like he did last year? He said on the front page he would shortly after the contest began, but I haven't seen anything yet. I appreciate any help I can get - thanks!

last year, he posted the stats after the 11th match; which if it's the same time this year, it would be after the Sonic 2 vs. Shining Force match.

here's some little extra opinions from me, kinda to review the 8-bit Division:

cyko's MVP's and Failures - 8-Bit Division

the MVP's are the three games that i believe made the most impressive showing in this division this round. not necassarily the highest vote-getters, but the games that most exceeded expectations and possibly even broke some brackets.

the Failures, on the other hand, are the biggest disappointments who generally sucked this round.

MVP's

3rd Place - Pong - before this match, it was unclear how many people would support the classic game, especially after seeing other arcade classics like Pac-Man and DK not do so well. but, Pong proved that it was no pushover. granted, it had a rather obscure opponent, but it was an obscure opponent with a very loyal fanbase. despite that, Pong took off and never looked back, more than doubling RCR's total and scoring the fifth biggest blowout of the division.

2nd Place - Metroid - the Metroid vs. Pac-Man match was supposed to be relatively close, with Metroid being the slim favorite. i mean, Pac-Man is a classic, right? he could pull off the upset, right? not even close. maybe it was the recent remake of Metoid, maybe it was the awesomeness of the rest of the series, or maybe it was that hot, pixelated orange spacesuit. whatever it was, Metroid crushed Pac-Man with much more authority than it was supposed to, more than doubling the yellow icon.

8-Bit Division 1st Round MVP - Duck Hunt - that's right. who would've thought that the new comeback king would involve a light gun, some ducks, and a laughing dog. down by over 3200 votes halfway through the day, Duck Hunt turned things around. slowly at first, but during the evening hours, Duck Hunt came roaring back by catching up to DK by over 100 votes per update. unfortunately for Duck Hunt fans, it wasn't quite enough, as Duck Hunt fell just short by 143 votes in the fourth closest match of all contests. i know Duck Hunt didn't quite pull out the victory, but another 30 minutes and it would have. despite the loss, Duck Hunt still staged the largest comeback in contest history by a margin of over 3000 votes. it didn't quite get to break many brackets (even if it did, the match was only worth one point), but it's insane comeback proved to many people (including me) that Duck Hunt is no joke and completely deserved it's spot in this contest.

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Current Score: 9/9 (through CT vs. S of M) Tied for 1st place with ????? other users.
A Cheese Legend of Trivia 12

From: cyko | Posted: 4/10/2004 11:42:32 AM | Message Detail

Failures

3rd Place - Phantasy Star - RPG's can't lose on Gamefaqs, right? plus, it's an RPG with several sequels, which should get extra votes, right? and Phantasy Star Online is more recent than any Contra game, right? apparently, not right. despite all that going for it, it wasn't even a close match. Phantasy Star still couldn't even get 40% of the vote against Contra, a classic shooter game. the stats aren't up yet, so we don't know how many people picked it to win. but a lot of people on this board saw their perfect bracket go down early with Phantasy Star's lackluster performance. not only that, but unless Halo or SSBM gets upset early, Phantasy Star will be the highest seeded game eliminated in the first round.

2nd Place - Donkey Kong - why do so many close matches involve DK? he's becoming the contest's biggest choke artist. first, he almost loses to Aya Brea, then he tries to comeback and loses anyways to Vercetti, and now he allows Duck Hunt to stage the biggest comeback ever before escaping with a narrow victory. he's a Nintendo icon and an arcade classic icon. he's got a fairly big series behind him. he was even in SSBM. and yet, people still don't care about DK that much. another two updates, and DK would've pretty much assured himself the spot of the 8-bit's biggest failure. instead, that spot belongs to............

8-Bit Division 1st Round Failure - Adventure - what a joke. now you might be saying, "dude, cyko, how can Adventure be the biggest Failure, while Zelda isn't one of the top three MVP's?" well, that is because Zelda, SMB3, Tetris, and Final Fantasy were all expected to score huge blowouts. anything less than 90% in this particular match for Zelda would've been a disappointment. however, the outcome of this match doesn't have nearly as much to do with Zelda's unstoppableness as it does with Adventure's unmatched ability to suck. seriously, Adventure is so obscure and has so few fans that it would've had a hard time breaking 20% against the 16 seed Metal Gear, or several other NES games that didn't make the final cut. it is easily the weakest game in the contest and proved it by only managing a record low 4,686 votes. pathetic. even Ms. Pac-Man broke 5000 against Megaman, and that was with 30,000 fewer voters.

way to fail, Adventure!

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Current Score: 9/9 (through CT vs. S of M) Tied for 1st place with ????? other users.
A Cheese Legend of Trivia 12

From: smitelf | Posted: 4/10/2004 1:08:17 PM | Message Detail

Match Review: Tetris vs. Galaga

Tetris may have won the battle but this match indicates that it will lose the war. Galaga is not a difficult opponent and Tetris' < 80% finish shows that it will be no match for Zelda.

Match Preview: SMRPG vs. Street Fighter 2

Super Mario RPG: An RPG with Mario on the SNES. What else is there to say, really? It's a fairly nondescript RPG: nothing special, if you ask me. It's no Final Fantasy VI and its support is borderline cultish.

Street Fighter 2: A fighting game, Ryu, Ken, energy blasts, kicks, blah blah blah. Fun but I've always preferred MK. Must be the babalities.

This and Starcraft vs. Halo are probably the two hardest matches to call in the first round. The advantages Super Mario RPG has are obvious: it's Nintendo, it's Mario, it's Square, and it's an RPG, a combination including almost every major voting bloc on this site. Unfortunately, too many cooks may spoil the broth.

Then there's Street Fighter 2, one of the most respected games of its genre around here. The problem is that its genre is not the magical three-letter abbreviation that most people around here play.

The question is this: can a relatively weak RPG beat a strong fighting game? My answer: yes, barely. This will be a close match but the bottom line is that fighting games have not and never will fare well in polls on this site. SMRPG, while not the best RPG in existence, has Mario on the box and RPG in nice, big letters.

My prediction: SMRPG 52%, SF2 48%
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Engaged to MWIS 04/07/04
Current Score: 8/8, Next Winner: Chrono Trigger

From: Yesmar | Posted: 4/10/2004 1:52:53 PM | Message Detail

Yesmar's Contest Comments: Day 9: 4/10/04

· Looks like Chrono Trigger is PWNing quite nicely as expected. However, the fact that it hasn't managed to get over 80% against its opponent makes me think that it might have its hands full against SMB3.

· I can't wait until tomorrow and see which game will be able to pull off the win. Whichever one does, it will be extremely close. And now I'll just stop stating the obvious.

· After tomorrow however, we have three "ho-hum" matches whose only interesting aspects will be gauging LTTP and Super Metroid's strengths and seeing how much The Simpsons's name factor can muster.
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Heh Heh... The wind... It is blowing...--Ganondorf

From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/10/2004 3:59:06 PM | Message Detail

*** COMPARISONS GAME - Match #11 - (5) SONIC THE HEDGEHOG 2 vs. (12) SHINING FORCE ***

Sales

Not a very hard conclusion to draw... one of the big foundations of the Sonic legend against a Genesis RPG. Though to be fair, it is the biggest Genesis RPG... call that clash of the Genesis titans. Except Shining Force wasn't the reason Genesises were bought. Sonic was.

- Advantage SONIC 2.

Franchises

And the gap widens. If a Shining Force character made it to the character contest, would he/she be Noble Nine material? Odds are, they couldn't come close to Shadow and Knuckles, who, despite having no representation this spring, are quite the fan-favorites. Tails? Ummm...

- Advantage SONIC 2.

GameFAQs Status

Number of FAQs: Sonic 2
Number of reviews: Sonic 2
Average review score: Sonic 2
Board activity: Sonic 2

Sonic 2 barely edges out Shining Force in the number of FAQs, but it dominates in the reviews, thanks to a huge amount of 9s, while Shining Force is handicapped by 4s and 5s here and there. Even the StH2 board is busier! Beating an RPG in that aspect is quite good... but three topics on said board is just a tad strange.

- Advantage SONIC 2.

Board Odds Project

PICKS (out of 102)
Sonic the Hedgehog 2 - 101
Shining Force - 1

POINT VALUE
21. Sonic the Hedgehog 2 - 129
54. Shining Force - 1

Pretty self-explanatory. Sonic's running laps around Shining Force already!

- Advantage SONIC 2.

Summer Contests / Polls of the Day

And for the gaveuponcountingth time, we've never seen them in a poll. But still, the Summer Contests establish a clear favorite. Sure, Sonic is the weak link of the Noble Nine, but he's there nonetheless. And as I said earlier, it's just too hard to top for any Shining Force character,

- Advantage SONIC 2.

Intangibles

I'd tend to give that to Shining Force for its RPG roots, except there is one thing that is becoming increasingly observable as the days go by.

Sonic 2 just could near S3&K in popularity. And that is definitely a plus, given the reputation S3&K has. This is the X-factor that might just give Sonic 2 a fighting chance against SMW in round 2.

- Advantage SONIC 2

Conclusion: ...What else can I say. Not a big enough blowout to laugh at, not a close enough match to ponder. Boooooooring...
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 006/008 --- Matches: 06/08 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: CT

From: Haste2 | Posted: 4/10/2004 8:59:31 PM | Message Detail

I've been gone for a weak, and it seems there has been a lot more commotion while I was gone than I expected...

Donkey Kong vs. Duck Hunt - wow. Just wow. I got home this evening, and I noticed that Donkey Kong was marked the winner. I then laughed in my mind about all the Duck Hunt fanboys who thought it had a chance. But then I saw the results...phew, I'm glad I didn't change my prediction on the Oracle Challenge, since I would've had DK win by more if I had changed it.

Legend of Zelda vs. Adventure - to be honest, I wasn't as impressed with this match as I was with Mega Man vs. Ms. Pac-Man. I saw a 93+% victory come from the beginning. Adventure is beyond weak. It's probably the most obscure game OR character that has ever appeared in the GameFAQs contests. Even the people who have played the game don't like it. As for Mega Man vs. Ms. Pac-Man way back in 2002, I hardly visited this message back then. As a result, I had overestated Ms. Pac-Man and underestimated Mega Man, and I was actually WORRIED that Ms. Pac-Man would actually take the match. I was in for a shock and some tremendous laughing when I saw Mega Man with over 93% of the vote (too bad it dropped to 92% by the end). Note that Link now has two 90+% blowouts, while Mega Man has the other two. Could any other character or his/her game do it?

Chrono Trigger vs. Secret of Mana - I'm really glad that Secret of Mana has over 20% of the vote. It's a good game. Why should people be surprised at this? Secret of Mana would beat Metal Gear rather easily. I don't think people should be more worried about CT beating SMB3...I'm actually more worried about Zelda: LttP taking it at this point. ~_~ I think the Final 4 will be like this now: SMB3, Zelda 3, FF7, FF10. Gah, please no. >.<

Okay, I'm 9/9 now, and my bracket shows Street Fighter II winning (hm, even though I like SMRPG more). I don't think SMRPG will make the showing that many expect...I think it has a pretty vocalized fanbase, and I think a big portion of the people who have played SMRPG just think of it as a beginner's RPG, and little more. Street Fighter II, on the other hand, was a huge classic, and with all the SF games following it, the game is not easily forgotten. "Mario" on the title alone could not save SMRPG. Look what happened to Luigi. You may say youngsters have missed SFII, but SMRPG was only released 4/5 years later. A 13-year old voter would have been 5 years old when SMRPG came out, anyway (heh, that's pretty funny to think about), so I don't think SMRPG would have anything on SFII for recognition.

Prediction: Street Fighter II with 55%, give or take a couple percentage points.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

From: cyko | Posted: 4/10/2004 11:01:20 PM | Message Detail

cyko's Point of View

Match 10

(8) Super Mario RPG vs. (9) Street Fighter 2

heh, you didn't think i'd miss handing out my opinion on this controversial match, did you? of course, this late, the only thing it's good for is making me look like a fool if i am wrong. =P

to begin comparing these two games, let's look at the titles first. Super Mario RPG. first, you have Super, which is used to describe something extraordinary or beyond what is normal. either that, or it tells you the game was released on the Super Nintendo. then, you have Mario, who is one of Nintendo's icons and one of the strongest competitors so far in the Summer Contests. finally, you have RPG, which is by far the most popular genre on this site. now, Street Fighter 2. first, there is Street, which is often used to denote something hardcore and familiar, like, "yo dawg, i'm keepin' it real to the Streets, yo." Fighter, then, is a genre where two or more characters beat each other up on screen. very violent. lastly, a 2 at the end usually denotes a sequel or the second game of a series.

now, Super Mario RPG isn't exactly the most popular RPG on Gamefaqs, but it still holds a lot of respect. Street Fighter 2, on the other hand, is easily one of the most well-known and respected fighter games on the site. however, it is past it's prime. back when SF2 was at it's peak, it would've wiped the floor with SMRPG. but, you see, RPGs age like a fine cheese. they get better over time. more popular, too; but only if it's a really good RPG. and SMRPG falls into that category. SF2 is still respected, but it's just not as popular as it used to be.

the biggest factor, though is two of those little words that are in the titles: RPG vs. Fighter. it's common knowledge that on Gamefaqs, RPGs are waaaaaaayyyyy more popular than fighter games. and get this - NO FIGHTING GAME CHARACTER HAS EVER BEATEN AN RPG CHARACTER in the summer contest. (of course, there were only three matches i could find, and that's if you count Parasite Eve as an RPG. the other two were the DOA bimbos that lost to Aeris.) *ahem* like i said, RPG characters and games are the genre of choice. i honestly believe that will make the difference. both games are well-known here and both games have an extensive series to back them up.

honestly though, how is this match any different than Kingdom Hearts vs. Soul Calibur? you've got one of Square's big RPGs against a very popular fighter game. Kingdom Hearts might be a little bigger than SMRPG right now, but Soul Calibur is also currently more popular than the Street Fighter series. and yet, virtually everyone on the board picked Kingdom Hearts to win. these matches seem pretty similar to me.

either way, i think this match will be kinda close. i will be shocked to see either game get more than 55%. SF2 could very likely pull off the upset, but this site favors three things: RPGs, Square, and Nintendo. and Super Mario RPG's got all three.

prediction - Super Mario RPG with 52-55%

my bracket - Super Mario RPG

Personal Favorite - Super Mario RPG - come on, Square and Nintendo finally joined up to make a great RPG. at the time, it was every young "Nintendo and Square" fanboy's dream come true.

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Current Score: 9/9 (through CT vs. S of M) Tied for 1st place with ????? other users.
A Cheese Legend of Trivia 12

From: Team Rocket Elite | Posted: 4/10/2004 11:31:06 PM | Message Detail

Super Mario RPG vs Street Fighter 2

It seems I'm one of the few who doesn't think this match will be close. So naturally the thing to do is to get something down in writing that I can regret in half an hour. I'm still clinging to the "It's a Nintendo-Squaresoft game" excuse for SMRPG's victory. I'm also putting a lot of stock(most likely too much) in this:
http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=913&topic=12468707
SMRPG is ranked 7th on the list as opposed to SF2 which ranked 36th. The combined total of all the Street Fighter games on the list would rank 15th(377 points). However the difference between the top ranked games are quite large and SMRPG had 775 points, slightly more then double the combined total of all the Street Fighter games. I would assume it would fair a lot better on an arcade game ranking, but I don't believe it will make up the difference. I'll end this with my completely outragous prediction that people can laugh at me for after the match starts:

SMRPG with 65.00%
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''Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts...''
''All dreams are but another reality. Never forget...''

From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/11/2004 3:55:41 AM | Message Detail

Wow. This is great. I wake up to see SF2 leading in a nailbiter... just like I expected. Expect lots of bloody whining from those who never gave this match a second thought. And looking at the update topic, there appears to have been a lead change! So that complicates trying to determine who wil get the morning vote... my money's surprisingly on SF2.

Pong won with an arcade pic... SF2 leads with an arcade pick. Arcade machines > j00.

Haste2: Ganondorf or Zero vs. Mr. Driller and Ms. Pac-Man? 90+ is doable, I say.
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 006/008 --- Matches: 06/08 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: CT

From: Starion | Posted: 4/11/2004 3:57:39 AM | Message Detail

Slow, I would like to apologize for calling you a bigot in the RCR threads.
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Sp2004 Score:9/9 Today's Pick: SF2
Nominate Death for the 2004 Character Contest

From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/11/2004 3:58:16 AM | Message Detail

Oh wait, I get it. It's the Europeans! My bad.
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 006/008 --- Matches: 06/08 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: CT

From: Ringworm | Posted: 4/11/2004 5:14:19 AM | Message Detail

Reviews: Match 8 and 9.

Both predictable, didn't see much of either match, but both were around 80% victories I believe.

Missed Match 10 preview, but after seeing results so far - I'm still doubtful over my SMRPG tip. Seems a lot of people picked it in the betting topic though.

Match 11 preview:

On the Genesis, most people had, and liked at least one Sonic game. It was huge back then. Shining Force was an obscure RPG which I rented a few times and found damn tough. Trust me, Sonic will win quite easily, and has my vote. Yet another dull match after todays quite interesting one. Roll on Earthbound v Doom I say, as matches 11-14 are all reasonably one sided.
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Betting: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=8&topic=13567654
8/9 Next: SMRPG.

From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/11/2004 5:16:15 AM | Message Detail

You called me a bigot? I wasn't aware of that... you shouldn't have brought it to my attention. ;)

...I don't know what a bigot is, nor do I want to know. Thanks for the apology though.
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 007/009 --- Matches: 07/09 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: SF2

From: Starion | Posted: 4/11/2004 5:18:46 AM | Message Detail

Ok. I could tell you what that means but it would probably make things worse.
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Sp2004 Score:9/9 Today's Pick: SF2
Nominate Death for the 2004 Character Contest

From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 4/11/2004 6:28:44 AM | Message Detail

Slowflake, I hate you. It was your opinion that caused me to change my bracket from SMRPG to SF2, and no one else`s. More proof that board opinion is completely useless.

This will be far worse in the Elite 8, too. I had a Zelda/Zelda/FF7/SSBM Final Four, but changed the first two to SM3 and CT, and even had FFX in place of SSBM for the longest time before changing it back. If the two Zeldas win anyway, and there is less and less doubt in my mind that they will, I`m going to be this board`s biggest troll for a good long time.
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From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/11/2004 6:32:17 AM | Message Detail

What? Well, if you're going to trust me over a slight majority of users, it's not my problem. Just because I have reasons to think SF2 would win does not mean you should measure their impact the same way I do.

And I still don't think LoZ's going to beat SMB3. I mean, it's Adventure. LttP... let's just wait until the match with Gunstar Heroes.
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From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 4/11/2004 7:13:49 AM | Message Detail

Dude, I was kidding around =) Sorry if I don`t feel like putting little smileys in my face whenever I`m being sarcastic =) Trust me, it gets annoying after awhile =) That, and the keys are pretty far away, so it takes awhile to do =) And furthermore, other people hate them, too =)
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From: smitelf | Posted: 4/11/2004 9:43:01 AM | Message Detail

Match Review: Chrono Trigger vs. Secret of Mana

The winner here was a no-brainer but I was surprised at how much of the vote Secret of Mana was able to acquire. Maybe I'm expecting too much of these high-performance games but I think this match was a disappointing showing for Chrono Trigger. My opinion won't be cemented, however, until I see Final Fantasy VII's performance in the next bracket.

Match Preview: Sonic the Hedgehog 2 vs. Shining Force

Sonic 2: Not much to explain here; anyone who has played the game for five minutes should understand the details. It's one of the best games in the Sonic series and has a really nice match pic.

Shining Force: This is one of the few games that I will freely admit to never having played. Apparently, it's an RPG for the Genesis. Never heard of it.

Thus, since this is one of Sonic's best against some Genesis game I've never laid eyes on, I'm betting on Sonic. I have absolutely no clue how close this match should be; I never owned any of Sega’s systems and rarely played a non-Sonic game when I got my paws on a Sega system at a friend’s house.

My (ignorant) prediction: Sonic 2 75%, Shining Force 25%
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From: chaos knight | Posted: 4/11/2004 9:45:40 AM | Message Detail

Shining Force was one of the best RPG series during the early 90's, even rivaling the FF series in many players' eyes. Sad that Sega seemingly stopped bothering with the heart of the series after the Sega CD era so it won't be nearly as well known as other current series, like Sonic.

It also seems that today's poll was much closer than how it was when I woke up. Seems SMRPG has it in the bag now.
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From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/11/2004 10:11:16 AM | Message Detail

Wow. The daytime vote is really pwning SF2. I don't think Yuna ever led over Knuckles, or Aeris or Zero over Sonic for that matter.

Chalk another "history in the making" match.
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From: cyko | Posted: 4/11/2004 11:25:11 AM | Message Detail

whoo, yeah, i guess the theory : "just wait until the kiddies wake-up!!" is true. except that it's not the kiddies, it's the Americans that are waking up. go figure. while most Americans slept, Street Fighter 2 pulled ahead over the RPG that was never released in Europe. then, in the early morning hours, the American people woke up and blasted Mario into the lead. could we see the same thing affect Pokemon vs. Xenogears, since Xenogears was never released in Europe either? it seems it could play a factor in that match.

anyways, SMRPG's lead looks solid enough to call this one over and it becomes the first game of the contest to come from behind and win (although SF2's biggest lead was only around 186). and man, are the Street Fighter fans upset.

one more thing, after this match, Earthbound is looking pretty tough for Doom to beat. SMRPG might be a little tougher of an opponent than Earthbound, but there is no way i could see Doom coming close to Street Fighter 2. RPGs do rule, here on RPGFAQS!! except Phantasy Star. >_>

oh, and NGamer or Ultim, what's the latest on the Discussion Guru Crew Contest? i'm still perfect and i wanna know who else is. =P

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From: smitelf | Posted: 4/11/2004 11:26:06 AM | Message Detail

I wish the whining about SFII losing could be kept to one topic. The atmosphere of the board on days like this is one part of the contest that I really dislike. It's all well and good to flame and complain but is it necessary for the board to be cluttered with topics saying exactly the same thing? Does *everyone* need their own? Meh.

If I make a topic whining about Starcraft or KOTOR losing one of you has to smack me. Please.
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From: steve illumina | Posted: 4/11/2004 11:28:22 AM | Message Detail

Curse the fanboys! Curse each and every one..Mario RPG could not hold SF2's joystick!

Yes, I am a little annoyed. Can ya tell?
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From: FastFalcon05 | Posted: 4/11/2004 11:29:22 AM | Message Detail

although, there are almost equally many posts about telling people to stop whining, which is getting annoying too, not citing you as an example, just saying btw.
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From: SlangEdter41 | Posted: 4/11/2004 11:30:14 AM | Message Detail

Earthbound vs Doom is bound to be played out more like Phantasy Star vs Contra. Although I don't think Earthbound will get trashed like Phantasy star, I just don't think it can win.
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From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 4/11/2004 11:32:01 AM | Message Detail

I was kidding around =) Sorry if I don`t feel like putting little smileys in my face whenever I`m being sarcastic =) Trust me, it gets annoying after awhile =) That, and the keys are pretty far away, so it takes awhile to do =) And furthermore, other people hate them, too =)

I hate you. >_>
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From: steve illumina | Posted: 4/11/2004 11:52:21 AM | Message Detail

From: Haste2 | Posted: 4/11/2004 11:53:34 AM | Message Detail

There goes my perfect bracket. I was split over this match at one point, but then I thought Ryu's strength meant a lot. Apparently it didn't. Well, at least one of my most beloved games is making it out of the first round. Congratulations to all those who are still perfect!

My top 3 worries were SMRPG vs. SFII, Perfect Dark vs. SotN, and Halo vs. Starcraft. I already missed the first of those. :/

Oh, and it also seems that most people who have SMRPG over SFII have Xenogears over Pokemon GSC. If Pokemon wins, I don't think there will be many perfects left...

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From: smitelf | Posted: 4/11/2004 11:55:14 AM | Message Detail

although, there are almost equally many posts about telling people to stop whining, which is getting annoying too, not citing you as an example, just saying btw.

Hehe, I don't care if people want to whine (I definitely will be when KOTOR loses), it's just the stream of topics saying the same thing that gets to me. When I complain it'll be in someone else's topic, and I mostly made that post to make sure I'm committed not to add to the crap topics around here ^_~ because I'll be sorely tempted...just as I am now to make a "SHUT UP" topic but I won't because there's fifty out there as it is.

In other news, not much else to wait for in this division except Earthbound vs. Doom (the next chance for my perfect bracket to be screwed). I'll just go hibernate until then.
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From: Holygrail2 | Posted: 4/11/2004 11:57:39 AM | Message Detail

I'm just an idiot but can anyone tell me how to view the whole bracket instead of just division 8. It seemed weird to me that someone would pick those 16 games as the best of all time with some obvious omissions, but with today's contest, I noticed there must be some others on a bigger bracket somewhere. Where is that and why won't it come up for me?

From: smitelf | Posted: 4/11/2004 12:05:20 PM | Message Detail

Oh, and it also seems that most people who have SMRPG over SFII have Xenogears over Pokemon GSC. If Pokemon wins, I don't think there will be many perfects left...

Fine by me...hopefully I'll still be perfect by that point :)

Pokemon had better win...I will be grumpy if it doesn't. Must. Resist. Urge. To Bash. Xenogears.
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From: Team Rocket Elite | Posted: 4/11/2004 12:27:35 PM | Message Detail

Yuo can see the whole bracket here:
http://www.sc2k4.com/
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From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 4/11/2004 3:55:50 PM | Message Detail

If a game doesn’t have “Zelda”, “Final Fantasy”, or “Mario” in the title, then it has little chance of being beloved around here [smitelf]

You mentioned exceptions. What are they?

And I don`t hate you HM. I was just joking around with the fact that people misunderstand me a lot because I don`t put emoticons in every post I make.
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From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 4/11/2004 4:01:52 PM | Message Detail

If I make a topic whining about Starcraft or KOTOR losing one of you has to smack me. Please.

That`s MWIS`s job, but if you want me to help, I`d be more than happy to oblige by your request. People and slinkies are similar in that they`re equally pointless, but it`s pretty funny to watch them fall down the stairs.
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From: smitelf | Posted: 4/11/2004 4:19:07 PM | Message Detail

You mentioned exceptions. What are they?

The only one I can think of off the top of my head is Chrono Trigger...and that may well be the only one. I laugh at anyone who thinks SF2 is beloved on this site.
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From: smitelf | Posted: 4/11/2004 4:27:10 PM | Message Detail

Oh, and add Metal Gear Solid and Super Metroid to the list (though they are beloved to a lesser extent than Chrono Trigger).
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From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/11/2004 5:05:25 PM | Message Detail

Well, with a 56-44 pwnage by SMRPG on SF2, if Ryu's strength really meant something, SMRPG could be in position to get above 40% on CT. SMW? That's a given. That Joe who sigged me for that must be feeling pretty pathetic right now.

SMW/Simpsons preview coming.
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From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/11/2004 5:27:54 PM | Message Detail

*** COMPARISONS GAME - Match #12 - (4) SUPER MARIO WORLD vs. (13) THE SIMPSONS ***

Sales

Are you kidding me? SMW sold 17 millions, only one less than SMB3, the best-selling game of all time. If we don't take SMB and Tetris into account, that is.

Sure, the Simpsons were probably a fairly popular arcade, but it's not an uphill climb against SMW... it's Mt. Everest.

- Advantage SMW.

Franchises

As long as this stays in the realm of video games, Mario thrashes any opponent short of FF or Zelda on this site. But even with the massively popular TV show, can Homer's tribe come close to the mustachioed one? Nope. This is a game contest, and the voters should know it by now.

- Advantage SMW

GameFAQs Status

Number of FAQs: SMW
Number of reviews: SMW
Average review score: The Simpsons
Board activity: SMW

The three categories SMW wins is no surprise. The average review score, though, came off as sort of a shock to me. Sure, the difference is small (9.35 vs. 9.28), but it's there.

Still, one small win can't compensate for three big losses.

- Advantage SMW.

Board Odds Project

PICKS (out of 102)
Super Mario World - 102

POINT VALUE
15. Super Mario World - 310
57. The Simpsons - 0

The BOP is perfect so far (damn me for going three times against it so far), and it's calling SMW as winner unanimously. What can I add...?

- Advantage SMW.

Summer Contests / Polls of the Day

Of course, we'll have to wait until the later rounds to see this criteria be debated, since we haven't seen most games in action in either.

But Mario is still hugely popular here, and while the Simpsons have a mass following everywhere, it definitely won't hold true for an arcade game. Mario is the most popular ficticious character in the world. Not Homer or Bart. Though Marge was supposedly voted the hottest (WHAT WERE THEY SMOKING?!? MARGE SIMPSON?!?).

- Advantage SMW.

Intangibles

Intangibles... I can only think of two things here. The LUEshi on the pic (let's all mark the home page for disruptive posting!) and the tremendous popularity of the Simpsons' TV show. LUEshi is an inside joke. The Simpsons are a worldwide phenomenon. And while it IS a game contest, expect the Simpsons to get a few votes because of the show.

- Advantage THE SIMPSONS.

Conclusion: Nothing to add. The show will save the game from utter humiliation. The blowout of the division will be only the next day anyway.
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From: Ngamer64 | Posted: 4/11/2004 6:46:21 PM | Message Detail

Alright... waited a little longer on this one, but I think Mario has put Ryu and Co away for good now. Wow, this one shook things up a bit... Check ContestGurus below for the full standings, but let me just announce that we're now down to a mere 8 Perfects. And they are:

The Perfect Club: Ngamer, Ncr, cyko, Bananaquest, Sephirot, smitelf, neoatomtaco, and IMAP

Then we've got a whole mess of 9's, with decent amount of 8's hanging around... but surprisingly, we haven't got a single 7 or lower. So I'm just going to continue calling that "Slowflake Land." hehe, just kidding, Slow!

As has been mentioned, the next split is coming with the Doom/Earthbound matchup. Here's how the Perfects are going to look after that one finishes up.

If Doom wins: Ngamer, Sephirot, Bananaquest, smitelf, Ncr (5)

If Earthbound wins: neoatomtaco, cyko, IMAP (3)

And now, to watch and see what kind of comeback the Euros can put together for Street Fighter tonight. I'm thinking it won't be much. Hm... nice vote total for this match though, given that it's a holiday.

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From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/11/2004 6:57:56 PM | Message Detail

How ironic that I was in contention for the win until the last three days last year, and now I'm doing worse than anyone else here. See why I didn't want to enter now? XD

Solar just might ban me from this topic if Doom wins. :( Oh well, after that the only match I disagree with the majority on is WW/FF10.
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From: Tai | Posted: 4/11/2004 7:18:15 PM | Message Detail

I feel bad for the people who underestimate he power of fanboyism and voted for SFII. I suppose you think SFII was an awesome game too.

But do the math:

Nintendo Fanboyism Support for SMRPG + Square Fanboyism Support for SMRPG = Victory for SMRPG.

I don't think it's always that simple. But here, yeah it was. :-)
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From: Phediuk | Posted: 4/11/2004 8:08:00 PM | Message Detail

Match #9 Review:

As expected, SFF votes sucked some percentage from Chrono Trigger...otherwise, nothing of note happened during this match.

Match #11 Preview:

Sonic 2 will win decisively. Nothing else to say, really.
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From: Lod732 | Posted: 4/11/2004 8:10:31 PM | Message Detail

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From: creativename | Posted: 4/11/2004 11:52:09 PM | Message Detail

Slowflake:
Are you kidding me? SMW sold 17 millions, only one less than SMB3, the best-selling game of all time. If we don't take SMB and Tetris into account, that is.

Well, since Super Mario World came packaged and SMB and Tetris wouldn't be taken into account for that very reason, you can't really do that. But yeah, obviously Super Mario World was one of the most played games ever, and it would've been one of the (if not the) best-selling SNES games even if it hadn't come packaged.

Phediuk:
As expected, SFF votes sucked some percentage from Chrono Trigger

The opposite would be true. SFF exaggerates results. That is what most people would assume, and the evidence is also clear on this point.

SFF was why I (and others, no doubt) thought Secret of Mana might get utterly PWNed. It didn't, which hopefully indiciates that SFF wasn't a factor and/or strength on the part of Secret of Mana, rather than weakness on the part of Chrono Trigger.

Not that 78% is that bad--I don't expect we'll see very many more blowouts in the 85% range, outside of maybe A Link to the Past vs. Gunstar Heroes and Mario 64 vs. NiGHTS. The weaker games in the more recent divisions just aren't as weak as the weak games in the 8-bit division. That division was very top-heavy, and seemed to suffer from the quirks of the nomination system way more than others. Blowouts in the other divisions probably shouldn't be held to the same standards.

Sonic 2 vs. Shining Force: Shining Force seems like a pretty obscure game, and is presumably weaker than Secret of Mana. Still, if Sonic 2 beats Shining Force worse than Chrono Trigger did Secret of Mana, that would be very impressive for Sonic 2.
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