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| From: Ringworm | Posted: 4/8/2004 7:29:25 AM | Message Detail |
| Match 6 Review: ... Match 8 Preview: Yeah, seriously, what needs to be said about Match 6. I skipped it in the betting for a reason. I may as well of missed this match too - yet another one sided rd 1 match. Tetris will slaughter Galaga. Bracket: Tetris Will vote: Probably Tetris, maybe Galaga. --- Betting: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=8&topic=13518107 6/7 Next: Tetris |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/8/2004 7:30:32 AM | Message Detail |
| *** COMPARISONS GAME - Match #8 - (2) TETRIS vs. (15) GALAGA *** Sales Once again, the numbers don't look too good for the underdog. Tetris sold more copies than any other game in the tournament, except Duck Hunt, and it's out anyway. I know, it was packaged with the GameBoy, but it's been a huge selling point for said GameBoy for aeons. Galaga is... well... a space shooter. The name "Galaga" just screams "space shooter". Sure, sure, it tops the Arcade FAQ list, but it looks as though people are just looking at that, seeking to answer the question "WTF is Galaga?". - Advantage TETRIS. Franchises Tetris spawned not only sequels, but also an insane number of spin-offs and variations. Dr. Mario, Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine and Pokémon Puzzle League are those associated with the big franchises. So if the big guns bother to adapt a puzzle game, that speaks volumes about it. Galaga inspired... well... Zero Wing... and not much else of note. Galaga is on the way to destruction. - Advantage TETRIS. GameFAQs Status Number of FAQs: Tetris Number of reviews: Tetris Average review score: Tetris Board activity: Tetris Ummm... what can I say? Tetris pwns Galaga easily! - Advantage TETRIS. Board Odds Project PICKS (out of 102) Tetris - 102 POINT VALUE 11. Tetris - 366 57. Galaga - 0 Only ten games were able to top Tetris in terms of point value: the typical SMB3/LoZ/CT/LttP/FF7/OoT/WW/FF10 Elite 8, and the two games that are most likely to make this Elite 8 wrong, FF6 and SSBM. That's it. Period. Galaga gets... nothing. Thanks for trying though. - Advantage TETRIS. Summer Contests / Polls of the Day Just like Pong/RCR, we have no clue of either game's strength... - UNAVAILABLE. Intangibles Unlike RCR, Galaga doesn't even have a cult following. Tetris is much more liked and appreciated than Pong, as the GameSpy contest indicated (their match ended up 79-21). It's going to be a huge ass-kicking. Move along. - Advantage TETRIS. Conclusion: It won't be a blowout the size of LoZ/Adventure, but for a game that presents little interest to a lot of people, it will funny to watch the sheer power of name recognition. This preview was short, I know, but would a long one have been worth it? I don't think so either. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 004/006 --- Matches: 04/06 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: Pong |
| From: Terran | Posted: 4/8/2004 7:36:24 AM | Message Detail |
| Which way are you leaning, and which match did you get wrong? Well, I picked Street Fighter II and am leaning that way, but I'm not exactly confident in that. I got Pac-Man v Metriod wrong. --- Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo merge to create...Microtendony! Spring Contest Rec: 5-1 (83.3%) PTS: 5 Streak: W4 Pick: Pong |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 4/8/2004 7:39:22 AM | Message Detail |
| You`re
not confident in that? SMRPG was a cult classic that exists only on the
SNES. It also has horrendous sequels and was never released in Europe.
Street Fighter 2 spans multiple systems and may quite possibly feature
the mascot of all fighting games, Ryu. --- MIASU! Boards Hunted: 3509 (Arcade - R) |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 4/8/2004 7:41:31 AM | Message Detail |
| <3
on FF05. Yeah, I`m like a fraternity. I mess with the pledges during
their pledge periods, but I accept them after a little period of
necessary bashing to see what their true colors are. With the way
gamefaqs is today, it`s the only way, really. Yeah, I`m still the Teddy Bear Ulti 4.0 Optomized for Broadband that everyone knows and loves <3 --- MIASU! Boards Hunted: 3509 (Arcade - R) |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 4/8/2004 9:51:36 AM | Message Detail |
| Ulti,
let's face it, nothing in the contest matters if you don't pick the
correct winner. Missing on that costs you the whole thing. But, these
one or two point matches are important to the people who get the big
matches right. These matches make the difference between first place
and 10th, and considerign the prize for first I'm going to go out on a
limb here and say every match is valuable to anybody who has a real
chance at wining. Sure, none of it matters if you don't have the winner
right, but then again none of it matters if you even have a finalist
wrong. In fact, you're in all likelihood excluded from winning a prize
if you miss 6-7 first round matches and have everything else right.
That being said, you can only afford to give up a handful of matches
before you are toast. --- If either of those games beats Goldeneye, I`ll close my account and give everyone $23, just to be cooler than Crimson Hellkite. - UltimaterializerX |
| From: Cthulhu | Posted: 4/8/2004 10:23:24 AM | Message Detail |
| Yes! I remember Tetrinet! I loved that game, I wish it can run on XP... |
| From: DomaDragoon | Posted: 4/8/2004 10:29:00 AM | Message Detail |
| It also has horrendous sequels and was never released in Europe. I'm sorry, but is everyone in this topic just crying out to be slapped? I agree with the "never released in Europe" part, since that's a fact. But Paper Mario was a fun (and underrated) game, and Mario and Luigi is the best action/RPG for the GBA. So there, nyaah! :P And with regards to today's match, I'm considerably impressed with Pong's 'power', even against a cult classic. It could put up a good fight against Tetris next round. That should be one to really see (if only to prove that Gamespy's contest sucks). --- Smart Ask! National Champion (2003) Chanting Monks www.rpgdl.com |
| From: Who Cares? | Posted: 4/8/2004 11:01:18 AM | Message Detail |
| Well it's obvious that SF2 v SMRPG will be the next big match in the contest, but something interesting about this match is that not only will it happen on a Sunday, but on Easter, but potentially means a smaller vote count. Do you think the holiday with play a hand, especially in a tossup match as this? |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 4/8/2004 11:06:51 AM | Message Detail |
| Match Review: Zelda vs. Adventure Everyone knew this was going to be rape, but what a rape it was! Even Megaman was impressed by the size of Zelda's -- okay, I'm going to stop there. This means two things for the future: 1) Tetris is going to have to do very well against Galaga to have any chance of taking down Zelda, and 2) SMB3 may have a run for it's money, too. Both Zelda and SMB3 have had impressive victories this round. Don't dismiss Zelda too quickly; SMB3 is the heavy favorite to win the division but Zelda may have the power to pull an upset. Match Preview: Tetris vs. Galaga Tetris: It is unthinkable to me that anyone in any civilized nation wouldn't know what Tetris is. This is where my GameBoy nomination went. Technically, it's the arcade version that's in the contest, but even Ceej is using the GameBoy picture. Galaga: I was addicted to this game...when I was five. It is not gifted with innumerable sequels like Tetris and I doubt it has the name recognition to go far. Anyone watching Pong vs. RCR is pretty much going to see a repeat of this tomorrow -- except RCR is a much stronger competitor than Galaga. It's another case of a well-known game against a not-so-well-known game; guess who wins? Prediction: Tetris 85%, Galaga 15% Comments: Aside from the GameBoy version of Tetris and a 3D version I used to play that I can't find anymore, I really like the version of Tetris on webtris.de. Yeah, it's German, but you don't exactly need an instruction manual to play Tetris, anyway. --- Married to MWIS 04/07/04 Current Score: 5/5, Next Winner: Legend of Zelda |
| From: steve illumina | Posted: 4/8/2004 11:19:14 AM | Message Detail |
| Street
Fighter so rocks..it will beat Mario RPG soundly, and besides, with
Capcom bringing the 15th Anniv Collection stateside this summer on PS2,
I am happy as hell! Go Zangief! --- SC2K4: 5/6 Points! Read my Commentary! http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=8&topic=13441449 |
| From: steve illumina | Posted: 4/8/2004 11:20:18 AM | Message Detail |
| Yes! I remember Tetrinet! I loved that game, I wish it can run on XP... You da man!!! --- SC2K4: 5/6 Points! Read my Commentary! http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=8&topic=13441449 |
| From: steve illumina | Posted: 4/8/2004 11:22:35 AM | Message Detail |
| Well
it's obvious that SF2 v SMRPG will be the next big match in the
contest, but something interesting about this match is that not only
will it happen on a Sunday, but on Easter, but potentially means a
smaller vote count. Do you think the holiday with play a hand,
especially in a tossup match as this? A great point, but I dont think it will matter too much. A lot of peeps dont celebrate Easter, which I know may seem like sacrilige to some. But its true. This match will be big stuff, as SF2 has the worldwide following, is huge in Asia and Europe more so than here in the States, and I am lookin forward to it cause it will break some brackets I do believe, as Pong is today. --- SC2K4: 5/6 Points! Read my Commentary! http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=8&topic=13441449 |
| From: redline15 | Posted: 4/8/2004 11:22:45 AM | Message Detail |
| you know ulti...i'm still not sure if you or anyone else got my point or not... but then you made this post: Anyhoo, while those tough first round matches are good for the board, they`re pointless for your final score. ...and that's exactly what i was trying to say. so that issue is settled. as for these bits... New rule: Little kids who cannot use proper typing skills while debating will learn to shut up and color. It`s a wonder how half of the people on this site ever get out of 8th grade. and What a surprise. Another attention whoring alt account made by someone who is afraid of their main account getting made fun of. ...well... ...that's more amusing than insulting... --- redline15: the center of attention |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/8/2004 11:31:52 AM | Message Detail |
| Do you think the holiday with play a hand, especially in a tossup match as this? Sam Fisher vs. Magus had the second lowest vote count last year. The poll happened on July 4. You do the math. However, I doubt the sample will change that much even if 10000 people don't show up to vote. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 004/006 --- Matches: 04/06 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: Pong |
| From: Fett0001 | Posted: 4/8/2004 11:42:43 AM | Message Detail |
| I doubt that it being Easter will affect the outcome of the match; however, if the first 1000 people hadnt voted in the DK vs. DH match it could have very well decided it in DH favor. |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/8/2004 11:43:49 AM | Message Detail |
| Or if there wasn't that short surge of DK votes near the end. Or if the comeback started 30 minutes earlier. We can't blame any group of voters... it lost, end of story. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 004/006 --- Matches: 04/06 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: Pong |
| From: Phediuk | Posted: 4/8/2004 2:56:55 PM | Message Detail |
| Match #6 Review: Next. Match #8 Preview: Tetris has more name recognition and classic status than its opponent does, and that should be all it needs to take down Galaga. --- "Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle." -Toad in Super Mario Bros. |
| From: cyko | Posted: 4/8/2004 4:16:35 PM | Message Detail |
| Well
it's obvious that SF2 v SMRPG will be the next big match in the
contest, but something interesting about this match is that not only
will it happen on a Sunday, but on Easter, but potentially means a
smaller vote count. Do you think the holiday with play a hand,
especially in a tossup match as this? i agree with Slowflake. there will be a lower vote count than these past few matches, but it won't affect the outcome of the match. unless of course, one of the games is within a couple hundred votes and making a last second comeback. oh, and not only was the July 4th Magus vs. Sam Fisher's vote total much lower than usual (especially for a Square character); but the July 4th Summer 2K2 match was also the third lowest match of the contest with 52618 votes (199 votes more than the Bomberman vs. Kane match). granted, that match was Donkey Kong vs. Bub, but that match got a lower total than Abe vs. Kyo Kusanagi and Serious Sam Stone vs. Mr. Driller. holidays = lower vote totals, but that's all. cyko's Point of View Match 8 (2) Tetris vs. (15) Galaga i can picture the average Gamefaqs-er when he sees this poll tomorrow: "let's see....... Tetris, well, yeah that was alright. what's it up against, though............. Ga - Lag - A? ......... what is that? ah, well........... *clicks Tetris*....." Tetris still doesn't strike me as much of a powerhouse, because it is still only a puzzle game. it IS, however, the ultimate puzzle game and will simply HANDLE both Galaga and Pong, but those are specks of dust compared to Zelda. we'll see how strong it looks after it's performance tomorrow. Prediction - Tetris with 79 - 83% my bracket - Tetris Personal Favorite - Tetris - i've never been able to get into Galaga or Space Invaders, but every now and then, i still get into Tetris. i pick it up for what seems like five minutes, but look at my watch and realize that an hour has passed.......... >_< --- Current Score: 9/9 (through CT vs. S of M) Tied for 1st place with ????? other users. A Cheese Legend of Trivia 12 |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 4/8/2004 4:25:20 PM | Message Detail |
| Hey,
I live to amuse. Did you see the topic I linked you to? I mess around
with every new face for kicks, nothing more. You`ll find I`m a nice guy
(supposedly). Anyway, to agree with Chichiri (like that`s a surprise), the close early matches mean a lot of you get the winner right, but that`s about it. But hey, close matches mean board activity, so there`s nothing wrong with that. Totally off topic: Should I do a Post Contest Analysis again? --- MIASU! Boards Hunted: 3509 (Arcade - R) |
| From: Phediuk | Posted: 4/8/2004 5:45:42 PM | Message Detail |
| Totally off topic: Should I do a Post Contest Analysis again? Hell yes. Those analyses were awesome. ^_^ --- "Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle." -Toad in Super Mario Bros. |
| From: torey luvullo | Posted: 4/8/2004 5:52:04 PM | Message Detail |
| magic 8-ball says "more analysis ulti" |
| From: Yesmar | Posted: 4/8/2004 6:31:28 PM | Message Detail |
| Yesmar's Contest Comments: Day 6: 4/7/04 · I can't believe it. The Male/Female poll has actually been beaten. Right? · About today's match. Yawn!! It's not close or much of a blowout. However, it does go to show that Pong is able to hold its own in this contest and is not as weak as all of the other pre-NES contestants. Name recognition outside of gaming circles has actually proved to be a benefit for once. · For some reason, I think that the Easter match will favor SFII. Don't ask me why. --- Heh Heh... The wind... It is blowing...--Ganondorf |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/8/2004 7:04:22 PM | Message Detail |
| *** COMPARISONS GAME - Match #9 - (1) CHRONO TRIGGER vs. (16) SECRET OF MANA *** Sales I don't have any figures... nor do I need to. The name "Chrono Trigger" rang a bell in my mind when I saw Crono's entry in 2002... and Secret of Mana is the ultimate definition of a cult following. Maybe moreso than Earthbound or River City Ransom. Well, at least it got in the contest... the only 16-seed that sold any good was Starcraft. But then again, it could prove to have deserved a single-digit seed should it beat Halo. Secret of Mana? Not a chance. - Advantage CT. Franchises Let's see... CT got a sequel where the public opinion is about as torn as for Sonic Heroes, and that's gotta mean something. Yet, it's still hugely popular... wonder how Suikoden 2 managed to get more nominations. Secret of Mana is part of a series with a Japanese-name-I'd-massacre-if-I-tried-to-spell-it -and-the-fanboys-would-kill-me-if-I-tried. But come on, what rings a bell to the average GameFAQs voter, Chrono Trigger/Cross or whatever that Japanese name is? - Advantage CT. GameFAQs Status Number of FAQs: CT Number of reviews: CT Average review score: CT Board activity: CT Looking at this, you'd think CT eats SoM for breakfast. It is the case... but I gotta admit, SoM would beat the huge majority of the games in this division for this category. First, it's got a healthy number of FAQs. But that's not all... I'm going to admit it, I looked at SoM's reviews first, and I was like "HOLY ****, how could CT beat that?", with 40+ reviews, mostly 10s. Then I take a look at CT. Almost 60 reviews, 10s in almost every single one of them. If you haven't read MWIS' one (signed Scipio Africanus), I urge you to do so NOW. And kudos for almost matching LttP in the board activity department. May I remind you that LttP is arguably the best chance you have to take out CT before the Final 4 if you want the huge upset? But still, there's a reason why CT is a 1-seed. - Advantage CT. Board Odds Project PICKS (out of 102) Chrono Trigger - 101 Secret of Mana - 1 POINT VALUE 2. Chrono Trigger - 2623 50. Secret of Mana - 3 Yes, someone picked SoM to win this match, and go on to defeat... I think it was SMRPG. But it was the guy who picked DDR to win it all. Other than that, no real surprise, though the only reason it's ahead of OoT is because a wee bit too many people have it losing to FF7 in the division finals. - Advantage CT. Summer Contests / Polls of the Day Never seen SoM in any kind of poll... however, we've seen CT plenty of times. Crono, mute RPG hero, second tier in the character tournaments? I'll take that. Magus, most popular supporting character on this site and the only one to hold a candle to the hero? Good. Almost beat FF7 in a "favorite Square game" poll? HOW DO YOU EXPECT SOM TO COMPETE WITH THAT?!? - Advantage CT. Intangibles Hmmm. Everything seems to have been covered. No, wait, guess not. Secret of Mana is from Square too, right? Then it should get a good amount of votes, correct? That's where you're wrong. Crono, mute RPG hero, sucked SFF votes from a character Square fans and non-fans alike love to death (as long as they played FF6). If CRONO can do that to KEFKA, how could Chrono Trigger not do that to a semi-obscure Square title? - Advantage CT. Conclusion: I think this is the first complete shoutout ever we have without having "Unavailable" or "Tie" at some place. However, this doesn't do SoM justice... it just hit the very worst opponent it possibly could in its division. And the Monopoly $20 says this board will go to hell this coming Saturday, as the legend haters will strike once more. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 004/006 --- Matches: 04/06 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: Pong |
| From: therealmnm | Posted: 4/8/2004 8:55:35 PM | Message Detail |
| [This message was deleted at the request of the original poster] |
| From: therealmnm | Posted: 4/8/2004 9:00:05 PM | Message Detail |
| I
wouldn't call Secret of Mana a cult classic. It was released around the
time when Square was beginning to make a mark in the industry. Super
Nintendo was the hottest system out at the time and this game was well
hyped at the time. I was a loyal subscriber to Nintendo Power and
couldn't wait to get my hands on it. Most games that Nintendo Power
hyped up usually fared pretty well since it was Nintendo's time of
dominance. (The Japanese name is Seiken Detsentsu). For those that
don't know, this game was the sequel to the Gameboy game Final Fantasy
Adventure (which is the original Sekien Detsentsu; currently there is a
remake on GBA). Square was starting to build off of the Final Fantasy
name and was already well established when it released Secret of Mana. Secret of Mana is NO cult game and is totally legit. It may be OLDER than most of the popular games, but that's about it. Of course it is not on the level of Chrono Trigger and I'm not arguing that at all. You must not realize how fun a game Secret of Mana was back in that time. Admittedly I didn't REALLY get into it until recently, but I had friends with the game. The multiplayer aspect of the game was something new and added to the fun. Remember, this game was pre Final Fantasy III/VI, so it was Square's main hit at the time. However, I do agree that Secret of Mana is up against the worst opponent in the division. But I feel it only has the 16 seed in the division because there are already 2 SNES Square games in the bracket. Yes, SoM is NOT on the level of Chrono Trigger. Chrono Trigger came in the SNES/PS transition era, while also being a monster of a game. Memorable characters, great storyline, and near the peak of Square's reign on the RPG industry. Don't get me wrong, Chrono Trigger is one of my favorite games. I'm not putting up this post just to disagree. I just had to be an advocate of Secret of Mana! :) This post is getting lengthy, so I'll end it here! --- "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't." |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 4/8/2004 9:02:55 PM | Message Detail |
| Is
it too late to sell my sould to get SoM the win? If any of you know any
being with the power to give SoM the win and is willing to accept souls
as currency I'm down. In fact I'll sell Ulti's too, since apparently
he's my ***** now *laughs* and I got a friend or two willing to umm...
well, maybe they aren't, but that doesn't matter cause I'm doing the
deal here. SoM all the way, even if it ruins my bracket!!! And who the
hell would have SoM taking it all anyway? They'd deserve those ten
games for being the luckiest bastards ever. So yeah, what could it hurt? --- If either of those games beats Goldeneye, I`ll close my account and give everyone $23, just to be cooler than Crimson Hellkite. - UltimaterializerX |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 4/8/2004 9:06:30 PM | Message Detail |
| If
only my scanner was working, I'd scan up all my nice full-color
advertisements of every Square game from the SNES era in the US. All
the way from FF4 to Chrono Trigger. And yes, Secret of Mana was a big
one. Surprising, however, is Breath of Fire. Apparently Square knew
enough about the US market for RPGs to help Capcom out with that one or
something... --- If either of those games beats Goldeneye, I`ll close my account and give everyone $23, just to be cooler than Crimson Hellkite. - UltimaterializerX |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 4/9/2004 3:37:58 AM | Message Detail |
| Bump --- MIASU! I mean, everytime you guys *****, moan, complain, whine, and other things...it actually gives me a hard-on. -Smokin |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/9/2004 5:19:20 AM | Message Detail |
| Someone does not understand how "cult classic" is defined. It would be a game which is incredibly loved by those who played it, but the amount of "those who played it" isn't that big. If Earthbound fits the bill well, I can't see how SoM wouldn't. Advertisement/exposure don't have much to do... Ness found a way to be on the roster of the ORIGINAL SSB, yet he still got trampled and tripled by Bowser, who was in SSBM too, and as a bottom tier at that. See? "Cult classic" doesn't define quality. It defines a fanbase, and SoM just seems to be lacking it... outside of this board, that is. I have no doubt it's legit (heck, Earthbound got a 7-seed AHEAD of SMRPG and SF2). But it's just bound for Jobberville. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 005/007 --- Matches: 05/07 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: Tetris |
| From: steve illumina | Posted: 4/9/2004 6:34:46 AM | Message Detail |
| Well here we go kiddies :) Time for... Steve Illumina Speaks Thats right, the infamous yet humorous commentary is back, to go with all the rest of us here in this, the greatest of threads, the most worthy of postings on this fanboy dominated board. And so it continues, with the opening salvo in the "Greatest Generation" Division Match IX (1)Chrono Trigger vs (16)Secret of Mana Steve's Prediction: Chrono Trigger with 83%+ Steve's Bracket: Chrono Trigger Newbie's Pick: Frog Upset Chances: Sadly...no. Comments: Here we got inter-Square warfare between two gems of two darling series' beloved by clueless fanboys as well as true gamers like myself! We all remember the legendary quote..."Crono? Why do people like him? Aint nuttin' but a generic spiky haired katana weilding teeny bopper!" (Steve Illumina, 7/11/03) And thats still how I feel. I like this game, I own it and have since 95...but...this game is SO OVERWORSHIPPED! The fanboys rally around this game as if their very livelihoods depended on it. This blind devotion, as the great CJayC spoke of and which my fellow Trivian Rodri316 has sigged so eloquently, means that victory in this contest rests in the hands of fanboys...and I need them now...to score me points! Poor Secret of Mana...this game is far better than Trigger will ever be. The story is better, the characters more interesting, the gameplay more sound. Some call it a Zelda clone...I call it gorgeous. Its spawn...Sword of Mana, Legend of Mana FF Adventure...great games too. If only we could get the proper Secret of Mana 2, Japan's Seiken Denketsu III, I would be so happy! Hear my plea, oh Lords of SquareEnix! But as we have seen with PacMan falling to Metroid, and RCR falling to Pong...the better game does not always win...for its all about the fanboys. This match proves it. Probable Results: Trigger will pull a Delta Attack on the Mana Tree, felling it by over 80% with ease. Steve's Moments: Chrono Trigger: Sure its overrated to a point, but I do really like it. How could I not? Frog's Music...Masa & Mune...Ozzie, Slash & Flea...Magus...and a must own soundtrack! Mana: Santa Claus as an evil Ice Gigas...great writing here! --- SC2K4: 7/8 Points! Read my Satirical Contest Commentary! Steve Illumina: Standing tall against fanboys for over 20 years |
| From: dethwing | Posted: 4/9/2004 6:42:30 AM | Message Detail |
| Beware...rant coming... But as we have seen with PacMan falling to Metroid, and RCR falling to Pong...the better game does not always win... Don't say that. Don't ever say that. The better game ALWAYS wins. Since "Good" "Better" and "Best" games are subjective, there is no way for one person to sit back and say which game is better. It can be the game you like more. Or the game you think is of higher quality, but it doesn't give you the right to say that it's the better game. By definition, the game that gets more votes, and therefore is the "better game" to the most people, IS the better game. *end rant* --- My Bracket: (Now with Colors!) http://home.fuse.net/jimholte/dethwing/dethwing-bracket-spring.html |
| From: therealmnm | Posted: 4/9/2004 6:56:32 AM | Message Detail |
| Nowhere
in my post did I talk about the quality of Secret of Mana. I was only
talking about it's popularity. Unless I am mistaken about the
generation of most people on this board, I would think that a lot of
people played SoM at least from my experience. I know what the
definition of a cult classic is. And based on what you said, I still
wouldn't define Secret of Mana as a cult classic. It's more obscure
than Chrono Trigger of course. And yes, it will get murdered in the
contest. I can't speak for GameFaqs, but SoM overall has a fanbase....
just not on the level of Chrono Trigger. --- "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't." |
| From: therealmnm | Posted: 4/9/2004 7:01:13 AM | Message Detail |
| My post looks a little TOO defensive... Hmmmm, anyways. Moving on!! --- "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't." |
| From: Ledin | Posted: 4/9/2004 7:02:28 AM | Message Detail |
| That's also the way I think. I noticed that Secret of Mana has more fans (especially more girls), but the people who like Chrono Trigger like that one even more. But in terms of the contest, SoM should be the winner, although I didn't like it that much (compared to other RPGs). |
| From: Ringworm | Posted: 4/9/2004 7:19:38 AM | Message Detail |
| Match 7 review: Boring and predictable. Didn't interest me at all this match. Match 9 preview: This match is basically a filler, spreading the close matches out a bit. CT will wipe the floor here, and I wouldn't be surprised with a 85-90% score. Maybe I'm underestimating SoM, but I doubt it. Bracket - CT Vote - Neither, but SoM if I'm back in time. Gotta go to my parents for easter, and might be back for the end of the match. This reminds me I'll need to figure something out with the betting... --- Betting: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=8&topic=13534270 6/7 Next: Tetris |
| From: Mild Guy | Posted: 4/9/2004 9:00:44 AM | Message Detail |
| dethwing,
I and everyone else can sit back and say whatever we damn well please.
It might not make a difference, it may or may not be true, but those
that take this art form seriously have every right to make judgment
calls on which games are "good" or "crappy." So in short, stick it. *ahem* back to the real purpose of this: contest analysis and picking out analyst errors, for their own good of course (joking, kinda). I do notice that Slowflake and others tend to see any game that doesn't have a large and loud fanbase as a "cult hit." No one is going to argue that Earthbound and RCR are cult hits, they are. But I think some of the analysts here don't have as much memory or knowledge of the pre-PS era that others do. This leads to some uninformed statements as "Secret of Mana is a cult hit," and "Gunstar Heroes is a joke, who has even heard of this game?" These aren't exact quotes, just notions I've picked up on reading this thread. Slowflake, Ulti, cyko, SteveIllum., and many others do a great job with examining this contest piece by piece, doing their best to utilize the science of statistics to reveal voting trends and popular views. They do a great job. With as many games as there are, now spanning almost two generations, no one person is going to have a complete picture of the whole shebang. I think coolheaded analysis will win in this thread over heated debates over a game's quality. Lets just be forgiving if someone waves off a game as an obscurity, just remember that they don't know any better. --- Proud Supporter of Every Sega Game in the Contest (except Phantasy Star 1) Current Score 7/7. |
| From: Phediuk | Posted: 4/9/2004 9:43:31 AM | Message Detail |
| Match #7 Review: No surprise here. It's just a textbook case of big name versus cult classic. Pong took this one easily, and I don't think that anybody truly expected RCR to win. Match #9 Preview: Interesting...two Square titles facing off against each other in the first round. Because of SFF, I doubt this match will be a huge blowout; SoM should at least have a semi-respectable showing. But alas, CT's victory is absolutely assured here, so expect this to be a rather boring match. --- "Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle." -Toad in Super Mario Bros. |
| From: steve illumina | Posted: 4/9/2004 11:38:20 AM | Message Detail |
| Great post, MildGuy! --- SC2K4: 7/8 Points! Read my Satirical Contest Commentary! Steve Illumina: Standing tall against fanboys for over 20 years |
| From: Yesmar | Posted: 4/9/2004 12:23:13 PM | Message Detail |
| Yesmar's Contest Comments: Day 6: 4/7/04 · Tetris is having a blowout as expected, although not quite as large a blowout as was expected. Galaga just managed to get over 20% and if it can keep at this percentage I think it can at least manage to end up looking at least half-decent. · I guess it now appears as if Legend of Zelda is a virtual shoe-in for the Elite Eight. · And so ends the 8-Bit Division. So far, the Great Game Contest looks to be just as exciting and fun as the two character contests. Four Blowouts, the fourth closest match, two tough matches to call and tons of other fun stuff in between. Looks like it's gonna be a fun spring. · How are all doing so far? Personally, I'm 7/8. Stupid Metroid. · Is it just me or is the 8-Bit Division the only Division with a fairly clear cut Sweet Sixteen Quarter? I mean, does anybody not have SMB3, FF1, LOZ, and Tetris in the Sweet Sixteen? --- Heh Heh... The wind... It is blowing...--Ganondorf |
| From: steve illumina | Posted: 4/9/2004 2:05:07 PM | Message Detail |
| Galaga
is doin as good as expected. Better than lesser known Pitfall and
Adventure, but not as good as Pac Man and Pong, in terms of the retro
department. And to comment on Yesmar...yep...u are very right. Basically there is something wrong with you or u are a blind fanboy if u dont have an 'Ancient' Division (8) of Zelda, Mario, Tetris and Final Fantasy going into the Sweet 16. I know I got those 4, so does most anyone else. The 'Greatest Generation' Division (16) is almost as easy to call as we will begin to see tomorrow. But...its the 'New Age' Division (128) and the 'Golden Age' (32-64) that will cause brackets to break and determine the winners from the losers, the legends from the lessers. All in all, a great spring this will be, a fine warmup for the summer! --- SC2K4: 7/8 Points! Read my Satirical Contest Commentary! Steve Illumina: Standing tall against fanboys for over 20 years |
| From: swirldude | Posted: 4/9/2004 2:10:07 PM | Message Detail |
| Ness
found a way to be on the roster of the ORIGINAL SSB, yet he still got
trampled and tripled by Bowser, who was in SSBM too, and as a bottom
tier at that. Oh god Slowflake, those are the worst tiers ever. They're crap! It favors all the speedy characters only, which is dumb. Please, we all know that speed far outdoes power, and they can't balance each other out </sarcasm> They're crud as far as I'm concerned. The majority of voters don't care about these tiers, they just like Bowser. The crappy tiers had nothing to do with it. If you want a good tier list, list them by CPU AI. That one is more accurate and makes sense! --- And the no. 1 reason why Magus > Ansem.......Ansem bought an N-Gage, didn't he! FATALITY. O_O ~Cromage Score: 7/8 Chrono Trigger > Secret of Mana |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 4/9/2004 2:13:14 PM | Message Detail |
| Match Review: Pong vs. RCR Pong won, and by a larger margin than some expected. Still, considering Tetris' performance today, it seems that the dominance of the latter is assured in the second round. RCR put up as good a fight as it could, I'm sure, but it simply didn't have the name recognition to beat the legendary Pong. Match Preview: Chrono Trigger vs. Secret of Mana Chrono Trigger: Everyone who visits a site like GameFAQs ought to know the name of Chrono Trigger, possibly the most popular RPG ever and at the very least the most popular of its era. It has all the characteristics that a 1-seed ought to possess: popularity, and...err...uh, yeah, popularity. I think I might be the only person who doesn't like this game at all but I'm not going to get into it because, unlike the people ripping on FFVII in countless topics, I know none of you give a damn about why I don't like CT. So, let's move on. Secret of Mana: I had honestly forgotten that Square had anything to do with this game. The gameplay isn't like that of typical FF games (it's better) but, at any rate, it is a quality game that, unfortunately, has little more than a cult following here. So, here's what we've got: Chrono Trigger, the "best" SNES RPG, against Secret of Mana, an SNES game that got less nominations than Earthbound. This match should prove as a test for Chrono Trigger, to judge its performance for matches to come; if it can't get 80% against Secret of Mana then it's not getting past Final Fantasy VII, period. Prove your worth, Chrono Trigger. My prediction: Chrono Trigger 85%, Secret of Mana 15% --- Engaged to MWIS 04/07/04 Current Score: 7/7, Next Winner: Tetris |
| From: cyko | Posted: 4/9/2004 3:19:16 PM | Message Detail |
|
Is it just me or is the 8-Bit Division the only Division with a fairly
clear cut Sweet Sixteen Quarter? I mean, does anybody not have SMB3,
FF1, LOZ, and Tetris in the Sweet Sixteen? lol, yeah, Yesmar. the entire 8-bit division is pretty much set now. Zelda has a slight chance of upsetting SMB3, but that still seems doubtful. it was the easiest division to predict. although the first round of the 16-bit division is shaping up to have SIX major blow-outs. cyko's Point of View Match 9 (1) Chrono Trigger vs. (16) Secret of Mana well, this is the first of several no-brainers in the 16-bit Division. Square and Nintendo really created some masterpieces on the SNES that dominated their era. Chrono and Magus have both proven the worth of their game in the past two character contests. the game has been released on two of history's best-selling video game sytems. the epic RPG has many vocal fans on this site. there is no reason for it to be remotely challenged in the first two rounds. Secret of Mana isn't exactly a pushover, but having to battle another Square RPG is the worst opponent it could face. it won't get blown out to Pitfall proportions, but i would be pleasantly shocked to see it get more than 25% (which is what Kefka managed against Chrono last year). Prediction: Chrono Trigger with 78-82% my bracket: Chrono Trigger Personal Favorite: Secret of Mana - don't get me wrong; Chrono Trigger was a great RPG, but Secret of Mana's gameplay was untouchable. growing up, a few of my friends and i were becoming very into RPGs. the problem was that they were all single-player. my buddies and i had to take turns or watch someone else play and follow the story. but Secret of Mana changed that. finally, an RPG we could play together!! and unlike FF: Crystal Chronicles, it was still fun to play by yourself. and it's still fun to play today. Secret of Mana is still the best multiplayer RPG ever. --- Current Score: 9/9 (through CT vs. S of M) Tied for 1st place with ????? other users. A Cheese Legend of Trivia 12 |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/9/2004 4:31:34 PM | Message Detail |
| I
agree for the division 8 part of the Sweet 16... 1-4-3-2 is definitely
the rule of the day. There's something questionable in every other
division... LttP/SM, the winner of which I believe goes to the division
finals without much problems and gets an excellent shot at taking down
CT, the BangFang Triangle, and WW vs. MP. These are the only three
matches that will definitely be worth it. However, there's a thing that went through my mind... Pong did extremely well yesterday, however Galaga is taking a much bigger chunk of the vote than I expected it could. Do you think if Pong was in the place of Tetris the result would be similar? Maybe, just maybe, Pong can give Tetris a run for its money... or dare I say it... win? Of course, that's just pure speculation, but I'm not impressed at all by Tetris' showing. Nonetheless, any thoughts of Zelda not making the Elite 8 should be shattered after today's match. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 005/007 --- Matches: 05/07 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: Tetris |
| From: StopPokingMe | Posted: 4/9/2004 5:33:19 PM | Message Detail |
| However,
there's a thing that went through my mind... Pong did extremely well
yesterday, however Galaga is taking a much bigger chunk of the vote
than I expected it could. Do you think if Pong was in the place of
Tetris the result would be similar? Maybe, just maybe, Pong can give
Tetris a run for its money... or dare I say it... win? Of course,
that's just pure speculation, but I'm not impressed at all by Tetris'
showing. The same thought hit me. Note how Tetris has been losing percentage all day, and seems to continue doing so with every update. This percentage sag against weak opposition is reminiscent of Luigi and DK (both character and game)--not the mark of a strong competitor. At least Tetris is still managing to improve its lead vote-count wise... I doubt too many were expecting Tetris to do anything other than fold like a fan at the first sign of serious competition, but in my eyes today's results prove it's no threat. I think many would have expected a blowout win for Tetris over Pong, though, and I don't see that happening anymore--my Oracle pick at the moment would be Tetris with 65%. --- The GameFAQs Summer Contest 2003 Fanfiction Project: http://crolapras.tripod.com/ffproj.html SpC2K4: 7/7 (192/192 possible) |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/9/2004 6:57:53 PM | Message Detail |
| I'd
even be reluctant to think Tetris would double Pong... that would give
Galaga at the same level as RCR in the standings, and I just can't
bring myself to believe it. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 005/007 --- Matches: 05/07 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: Tetris |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/9/2004 6:59:06 PM | Message Detail |
| Oh, interesting side note: Galaga is doing as well against Tetris as Pong did on Gamespy. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 005/007 --- Matches: 05/07 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: Tetris |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 4/9/2004 7:50:15 PM | Message Detail |
| I
don't think too many people saw Tetris getting past Zelda, anyway.
Today just proves it. I'm a little disappointed in Tetris' showing but
I still see it beating Pong very soundly. Although Pong did beat RCR by
a larger margin than I expected it won't fare well against another game
of equal name recognition, and with countless more recent "sequels" to
boot. If I had my way, Tetris would win this division. Unfortunately, other people vote that don't share my view on the matter. --- Engaged to MWIS 04/07/04 Current Score: 7/7, Next Winner: Tetris |
| From: therealmnm | Posted: 4/10/2004 12:01:23 AM | Message Detail |
| I'm
glad to know that I'm not the only one feeling iffy about the LttP/SM
and WW/MP battles. One battle between the two franchises is enough, but
two is just downright evil. And I went against my gut picking against
Zelda for both, even though both Zelda games are in my top 3 games for
each respective system. I don't know what made me pick Metroid.... It
was a combination of higher seeding and majorly that so many people
hype up Ocarina of Time (overall, not just in this contest) that I
thought the other two games would fall to obscurity when compared to
OoT. I just feel that Ocarina of Time unfairly draws too much attention
away from the other games. If I had my bracket over I'd go with the
Zelda games just because I like them better. Oh well, I guess that's
the fun of this contest. It would have been better with random
placement instead of by generation. Generational placement makes most
of the earlier rounds kind of anti-climatic. --- "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't." |
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