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| From: swirldude | Posted: 4/7/2004 8:14:56 AM | Message Detail |
| *dies laughing at current results --- And the no. 1 reason why Magus > Ansem.......Ansem bought an N-Gage, didn't he! FATALITY. O_O ~Cromage |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 4/7/2004 8:19:31 AM | Message Detail |
| If you insist :) --- If either of those games beats Goldeneye, I`ll close my account and give everyone $23, just to be cooler than Crimson Hellkite. - UltimaterializerX |
| From: steve illumina | Posted: 4/7/2004 8:30:39 AM | Message Detail |
| Well I for one am so glad that stupid Duck Hunt failed to overtake the ape. Good riddance to that joke entry. --- SC2K4: 5/6 Points! Read my Commentary! http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=8&topic=13441449 |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/7/2004 8:38:29 AM | Message Detail |
| Because
Adventure, Galaga, Pitfall and Gunstar Heroes are less jokes than Duck
Hunt? Puh-lease. I still think Duck Hunt pwnz, and not in the way CATS
does. Oh, and Duck Hunt got more nominations than Contra. Same system, no excuses! --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 003/005 --- Matches: 03/05 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: LoZ |
| From: steve illumina | Posted: 4/7/2004 8:40:20 AM | Message Detail |
| Well here we go kiddies :) Time for... Steve Illumina Speaks Thats right, the infamous yet humorous commentary is back, to go with all the rest of us here in this, the greatest of threads, the most worthy of postings on this fanboy dominated board. And so it continues, with the old school's last true shot at advancing...(Sorry Galaga) Match VII (7)Pong vs (10)River City Ransom Steve's Prediction: Pong with over 60% Steve's Bracket: Pong Newbie's Pick: Arkanoid Upset Chances: Moderate Comments: Here we have the most interesting match in the "Ancient" Division. We have the father of home gaming vs a fairly generic, yet fairly innovative too, side scrolling beat em up. On paper, you would think this is no contest. What gamer who aint under the age of 10 has not at least heard of Pong? Sure its as primitive as it gets...and makes Pac Man look like nuclear engineering. Sure its a minigame in countless games over the years such as MK2 Arcade. Sure it inspired ripoffs like Atari 2600 Hockey. Its..PONG! But River City Ransom, well known on this board as RCR, is no slouch. It is not a game to be taken lightly. I mean, it was an NES forgotten gem. A game played by few, but by those who did play it, they will always speak up for it. Enough infact to nominate it, unless Ceej worked for Taito when it was published back in the late 80's and snuck it in there as sort of a 'favorite son' game. :) Truth is, RCR has support of the hardcore...and a better picture I am sure...but will it be enough? No. Probable Results: Pong will ping its way to victory, giving the old school one of its only ever contest victories in website history. RCR just aint well known enough... Steve's Moments: Pong: Dummy me sold my Pong unit my parents gave me at a yard sale when I was a kid...how unappreciative I was back then! RCR: Play this on GBA...it got ported a month or so ago. Seriously. Play it. Now. --- SC2K4: 5/6 Points! Read my Commentary! http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=8&topic=13441449 |
| From: steve illumina | Posted: 4/7/2004 8:45:27 AM | Message Detail |
| Because
Adventure, Galaga, Pitfall and Gunstar Heroes are less jokes than Duck
Hunt? Puh-lease. I still think Duck Hunt pwnz, and not in the way CATS
does. Oh, and Duck Hunt got more nominations than Contra. Same system, no excuses! Slowflake, I agree with you to a point. This contest is riddled with stuff that dont belong! :) Adventure: No just cause to be here. Not one game could it beat in this tourney. It would have its hands full in a poll against the N-Waste. Pitfall: Could beat Adventure...maybe. It don't belong here Galaga: This belongs and is seeded appropriately. Gunstar Heroes: Does not belong...u could say this is a joke entry. Who actually nominated this? Fallout 2: Another dud that dont belong. Shenmue: This really does not belong. See...Duds aint just in the old stuff! Duck Hunt: Its a joke. Admit it! :) --- SC2K4: 5/6 Points! Read my Commentary! http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=8&topic=13441449 |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 4/7/2004 8:55:22 AM | Message Detail |
| There's
a difference between jokes and weak competitors, Slowflake. CATS is a
summer contest joke, and while he shouldn't be able to get nearly 15k
votes on Cloud, the inevitable champ that year, he did. Even Mario
didn't give up that many votes on his first round match. Jokes are
entries that should be exceptionally weak but aren't because people
think they are funny. DK is an extremely weak game as is, so a joke
nearly making a comeback isn't surprising. DH's performance makes me
wonder baout RCR vs Pong. I actually think RCR can do it now. But see,
that's how we sepperate jokes from weaklings. Adventure was entered on
a serious note... and it's seriously getting its ass handed to itself. Jokes - Weaklings that do well because of some underdog status + their humorous nature. Weaklings - Weaklings that fail to do well despite underdog status because of their serious nature. --- If either of those games beats Goldeneye, I`ll close my account and give everyone $23, just to be cooler than Crimson Hellkite. - UltimaterializerX |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 4/7/2004 8:59:43 AM | Message Detail |
| "Adventure:
No just cause to be here. Not one game could it beat in this tourney.
It would have its hands full in a poll against the N-Waste." Anything can beat the N-Gage, and it does have a place here. If this division were played out 12 years ago Adventure may have had a fighting chance against some of the other games. In fact, we still can't say Adventure is the weakest in the contest yet, we've only seen half a dozen matches and we haven't seen how they compare to eachother. A blowout of this proportion against Zelda is to be expected. Think about it this way, other than the overly-favored Mario3, what is the strongest game in this division? Hell, I may even start having strong doubts about Mario 3's ability to beat Zelda... --- If either of those games beats Goldeneye, I`ll close my account and give everyone $23, just to be cooler than Crimson Hellkite. - UltimaterializerX |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/7/2004 9:06:03 AM | Message Detail |
| *** COMPARISONS GAME - Match #7 - (7) PONG vs. (10) RIVER CITY RANSOM *** Sales All those who haven't played Pong, ever, raised your hand. *one hand raises as all eyes are turned towards its owner* Well, that's it. Odds are, you either played Pong ore one of its numerous variations. Hell, even the later Commander Keen installments had a Pong mini-game. Granted, they called it "Paddle War", but that's only because of copyright infringement. You still know damn well it's Pong. River City Ransom? It's got cult classic written all over it. And I'll put it like MMX did, in this contest, it's do or die for cult classics. And usually, it's "die". So, who played Pong and not River City Ransom? A darned lot of people. - Advantage PONG. Franchises There is only one Pong, and there are two RCRs. But do you think RCR2 can tip the scale in favor of Pong when it comes to franchise popularity? Neither do I. And people who bring up RCR EX... let me tell you this, unreleased games have been known to be non-factors for a long time. - Advantage PONG. GameFAQs Status Number of FAQs: RCR Number of reviews: RCR Average review score: Tie Board activity: RCR I had to go to the third decimal in the average scores to declare a winner (Pong), so I'll just call it a tie. 9.176 vs. 9.172, can you say close? Of course, no one needs to bother to review Pong, unlike RCR. And who the hell needs a FAQ to play PONG? The majority of the posts on the Pong board are about the contest... none of that on the RCR board. - Advantage RCR. Board Odds Project PICKS (out of 102) Pong - 92 River City Ransom - 10 POINT VALUE 26. Pong - 94 43. River City Ransom - 16 Funny that a game like RCR that's got a decent chance to win is absolutely overlooked. Other than that, nothing of note... except someone has it going to the division finals, which is a bit appalling. - Advantage PONG. Summer Contests / Polls of the Day Alex and Ryan never got in a Summer Contest, and while there was joke talk about the Pong paddles from day one, that's all it ever was. Never seen either game in a PotD, too, so... - UNAVAILABLE Intangibles Everybody played Pong, and I can say that safely with little risk of being wrong. But it's easy to believe people liked RCR better if they played it. And that's the catch here. How many people played it? If I were to believe the rankings on the NES page, quite a few. And then there's the people who played Pong, but would vote just anything over it, just because it seems so unoriginal. This is going to be the key to win here, and I doubt that pic of Alex's bare ass is going to change that much minds. That and I can't decide which picture is worse between Pong's and last year's Lettuce Kefka. - Advantage RCR Conclusion: Notice how the underdog often wins that last category? Well, once again, the unknown X-factors are going to decide who will win. River City Ransom may not be anywhere near Metroid, but I don't think Pong is more popular than Pac-Man either. This was a little-debated match before the contest started, but I'm just now starting to realize how Pong's in trouble from the get-go. Could we get a second nailbiter before the division is even over? --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 003/005 --- Matches: 03/05 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: LoZ |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/7/2004 9:10:31 AM | Message Detail |
| While
I agree that DKC2 would've destroyed Duck Hunt, I just can't think of
it as a joke. What's so different between it, Pac-Man, Pong or Tetris?
The only humorous thing about it was the dog, period. Maybe that's why
it left a lasting impression on people's minds, but you just can't say
it was the dog that nearly topped DK. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 003/005 --- Matches: 03/05 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: LoZ |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 4/7/2004 9:10:48 AM | Message Detail |
| As usual Slowflake, you make a great post. Not to sound like a thunderstealing asshat, but come Starcraft/Halo, can I make the post for that match? I`ve been playing Starcraft for 5 years now and, well, you know. But hey, it`s your post, so do whatever you feel like doing <3 And Duck Hunt was not a joke entry. Period. Plenty of people like that game. --- MIASU! Boards Hunted: 3509 (Arcade - R) Married to Alanna82 on 4/5/04 at 9PM EST |
| From: Mild Guy | Posted: 4/7/2004 9:13:12 AM | Message Detail |
| Gunstar
Heroes - diss this game's contest chances all you want, it has none.
But dissing the game's quality asserts more negative things about you
than it does what you insult. Anybody who *really* knows their games
knows of Sega's and Treasure's greatness. Those of you who know of what
I speak, lets just nod sagely and leave the kids to their petty and
groundless opinions. Fallout 2 - a game that I, much to my shame, have never played. From what I understand and hear, this PC rpg is far better than most, if not nearly all, console rpgs. I wouldn't be surprised if it had a better story than all of Square's work put together, but that isn't saying much, is it? The fan base for this series is non-existent here, so it'll be blown out of course. But when a game has the intelligent and hardcore fanbase that this game series enjoys, you know it's got to be good. If only old PC games were easier to find and compatible w/ Windows XP. I did play the first Fallout on a friend's PC a long while ago. A pretty interesting and engaging game from what I got to play of it. I hear the second one's better. --- Proud Supporter of Every Sega Game in the Contest (except Phantasy Star 1) Current Score 6/6. |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/7/2004 9:16:01 AM | Message Detail |
| Better
yet... we could make the Halo/Starcraft preview a joint project. The
exam period will be over a few days before, so I guess I could give it
the additional time it would need. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 003/005 --- Matches: 03/05 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: LoZ |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 4/7/2004 9:19:04 AM | Message Detail |
| Plenty of people like CATS, Ulti. --- If either of those games beats Goldeneye, I`ll close my account and give everyone $23, just to be cooler than Crimson Hellkite. - UltimaterializerX |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 4/7/2004 9:21:29 AM | Message Detail |
| Hmm.
I say we just make two different posts. I`ll even go first a week or
two in advance so that you can take plenty of time to try and one-up me. Contrary to popular belief, I`m a very nice guy, you know <3 Wait a sec, what does people liking CATS have to do with DH not being a joke entry? People like ALL YOUR BASE, not Zero Wing (at least I think that`s the case). But I think that enough people simply liked Duck Hunt enough to nominate it. Look at the other games in that division and tell me Duck Hunt`s entry is an honest surprise, you know? --- MIASU! Boards Hunted: 3509 (Arcade - R) Married to Alanna82 on 4/5/04 at 9PM EST |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 4/7/2004 10:15:14 AM | Message Detail |
| Fallout 2: Another dud that dont belong. Hey, wait a minute there, fella. If this were any site other than GameFAQs, Fallout 2 could make a very nice dent in OoT’s vote total. Much as I didn’t like Fallout 2 as much as other games of its genre, at least it wasn’t so utterly pretentious as some of the crap stories in this contest and had better gameplay and humor to boot. Go play Fallout 2 and then tell me it’s a dud. I still say any game that includes condoms as items (and in assorted colors) and does so for reasons other than shock value is five times as great as any of the crap I'm seeing on consoles today. --- Proud Supporter of Starcraft in the Sp2K4 Contest Current Score: 5/5, Next Winner: Legend of Zelda |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/7/2004 10:17:27 AM | Message Detail |
| I'm done adding the DK/DH stuff to the file, and I even put in a few graphs for great justice. The first graph probably speaks for itself the most... Duck Hunt being the target of cheating accusations is just stupid, since its comeback spanned over more than half of the poll. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 003/005 --- Matches: 03/05 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: LoZ |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 4/7/2004 10:23:43 AM | Message Detail |
| I'm done adding the DK/DH stuff to the file, and I even put in a few graphs for great justice. Nice job. I love this stuff :) --- Proud Supporter of Starcraft in the Sp2K4 Contest Current Score: 5/5, Next Winner: Legend of Zelda |
| From: creativename | Posted: 4/7/2004 1:16:04 PM | Message Detail |
| *dies laughing at current results My sentiments exactly. This is surreal. It's probably pushing the boundaries of what most of us thought possible. Mr. Driller would've been expected to get only 4.47% against Link in 2002--that's the lowest expectation we've seen. It would be an interesting test of the anti-vote hypothesis to put Final Fantasy VII against Adventure. I really, really doubt Adventure could get 5% against Final Fantasy VII. In all likelihood it would do significantly worse against Final Fantasy VII than it is against The Legend of Zelda, perhaps even getting less than 4%. I strongly believe that people are really overstating the anti-vote factor for Final Fantasy VII and other things. Note that the anti-vote factor I'm talking about is different than the so-called anti-vote factor for Pikachu: that's not really an anti-vote because he's got some stable base of anti-votes; that's just because people think he's annoying and don't like him. It's because he's not popular. The anti-vote factor I'm talking about is the de-extremization of results for things that supposedly have anti-votes. steve illumina: Fallout 2: Another dud that dont belong. I really question this statement...I've never played Fallout 2, but I've heard a ton about the Fallout series. It is very well known, beloved, and respected among PC RPG circles. Add in the PC nomination Difficulty factor, and Fallout 2 is definitely no joke. It would utterly PWN Pitfall and Adventure and Galaga, etc., no doubt. Fallout 2 will get PWNed by Ocarina of Time...but c'mon, it's Ocarina of Time. This is going to be like Final Fantasy VII vs. Suikoden II: it'll be a blowout, but the small % of votes that Fallout 2 gets will actually indicate it is very much a non-trivial opponent. It probably won't do as well as Suikoden II, because Suikoden II is a console game, but it won't be totally humiliated. Ocarina of Time won't get more than 87%, and probably a bit less. Chichiri: There's a difference between jokes and weak competitors, Slowflake. CATS is a summer contest joke, and while he shouldn't be able to get nearly 15k votes on Cloud, the inevitable champ that year, he did. Even Mario didn't give up that many votes on his first round match. Jokes are entries that should be exceptionally weak but aren't because people think they are funny. Problem: CATS *was* an extremely weak competitor. He finished 54th in the 2K3 extrapolated standings. He was a joke, as a competitor, not just as an entry. Duck Hunt is not a joke as a competitor, it never was (as stated by Slowflake, myself and others before the match), and I have no idea why you would think this. Hell, I may even start having strong doubts about Mario 3's ability to beat Zelda... Yee-haw! That's what I'm talkin' about, baby. The Legend of Zelda *needs* to beat SMB3! I think that Final Fantasy will do better against SMB3 than many people thought, but while I'll be bouncing off the walls for that match, even I can't see it posing a real threat. The Legend of Zelda, however...I honestly thought people were vastly underestimating this game's chances of beating SMB3, and I think that now my faith in it has been increased even more. This performance is totally transcendent. As I stated jokingly in another topic, it appears that there are more Legend of Zelda fans at GameFAQs than there are...men!! SMB3 still has to be considered the favorite, but I don't think anyone can call that a sure-thing now. No way The Legend of Zelda gets less than 55% against SMB3, IMO. Just about nobody except myself was even talking about this match before the contest started, but trust me: this will be one of the most hyped up and anticipated matches of the entire tournament. --- Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4! SC2K4.com |
| From: Phediuk | Posted: 4/7/2004 3:38:35 PM | Message Detail |
| Match #5 Review: Well, I really underestimated Duck Hunt here...or perhaps I just overestimated Doney Kong. Or, more likely, I did a bit of both. When I logged on yesterday morning before I went to school, DK was right at the peak of its lead. I took one look at the match, saw DK's 56%, gave a pity vote to Duck Hunt, and immediately chalked up another victory on my bracket. Then, once I got home from school... Wha...? DK has only 52%? At first, I thought I had just misread the vote percentage when I logged on in the morning, and it had just been this close all along. But, a quick look at the update chart made the truth hit me like a lightning bolt: Duck Hunt was cutting into Donkey Kong's lead, hard and fast. I still thought, "Meh, whatever, DK will hold out." So, I leave the computer for awhile and come back around 5-ish (mountain time.) Uh-oh. DK was barely hovering over 51%. I started to get a little edgy. No way that Duck Hunt could actually pull this off...all of the sudden, I was glued to my computer chair, feverishly mashing the refresh button to see each subsequent update. DK's percentage continued to plummet, and I knew damn well that if Duck Hunt kept up its pace, it would be able to take the lead as early as 10:30. Down and down DK went, and I could only watch in horror as Duck Hunt crept ever closer to ruining my perfect bracket. I could only hope that either a cheater would be found (and votes would be subtracted from Duck Hunt's score) or that the poll would somehow end 3 hours early. I was practically crapping my pants by the time 10:00 rolled around. Duck Hunt was just about to pass DK...it would take only three more updates... ...but then, it inexplicably stopped. DK received a tiny vote gain, and Duck Hunt couldn't seem to get another kick-start on its comeback afterwards. By 11:00, it was clear that Duck Hunt wouldn't quite be able to make it. I breathed a sigh of relief. Donkey Kong managed, crippled and blinded, to give the finished blow to its opponent. It then collapsed to the ground and saw its second-round competitor looming above it...ouch. An excellent nail-biter in the end. My only gripe is that this will probably be the closest match in the whole contest...=( Match #7 Preview: Sorry, but I just can't see RCR winning. Most voters will look at the choices, think "'Hey, it's the one that started it all versus River-...huh?' *votes for Pong*" Pong should take this without too much trouble. --- "Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle." -Toad in Super Mario Bros. |
| From: cyko | Posted: 4/7/2004 3:51:43 PM | Message Detail |
Gunstar Heroes: Does not belong...u could say this is a joke entry. Who actually nominated this? you guys take that back right now!! >=( Gunstar Heroes was an awesome side-scrolling shooter/action game. it played similar to Contra, but was better in every way. you could combine weapons to create super-weapons, you could play two-player co-op (very fun, i might add.), and you could even throw your partner at the enemies. the levels were innovative and all different from each other. it really was a fantastic game!! i highly recommend for anyone who's got a Genesis. i had way more fun playing Gunstar Heroes than i ever did playing any Sonic game. personally, i think it's the best Genesis game ever, aside from Shining Force 1 and 2, and possibly Herzog Zwei. it's a pity that it will also get obliterated by Link to the Past. it's too well-made to deserve the beating it will get. =( --- Current Score: 6/6 (through Zelda vs. Adventure) Tied for 1st place with ????? other users. A Cheese Legend of Trivia 12 |
| From: SlangEdter41 | Posted: 4/7/2004 4:21:44 PM | Message Detail |
| I've
been saying LoZ is the clear favorite in this division from the start.
SMB3 was doomed from the start, I don't even think it can get 56%+
against Final Fantasy. --- Contest Score: 5-0 Current Pick: Legend of Zelda |
| From: Ngamer64 | Posted: 4/7/2004 4:47:50 PM | Message Detail |
| Whoa...
did I ever speak too soon! But I don't think I was out of line...
before yesterday, 2000 really was "the gap of no return." Who would
have thought we would ever see a comeback of over 3100 votes! I guess I
would have thought it was possible, but certainly not this early on in
the first round. I'll be happy, even if there isn't another night that
fun coming the whole rest of the Contest. Well, we came dangerously close to being down to 7 Perfects, but thanks to less than 150 voters, my list from yesterday still stands. Like I said, I'm going to try to keep that updated something like every other day from now on. And to make it easier for everyone to follow along, I've just added the link to my sig. Oh yes, and I was able to bring in solarshadow for this in this latest update, taking the Guru list to 31 members. He's currently sitting in the middle of the pack at 5/6, as he was one of the many to go with Duck Hunt. --- the-elite.net Guru Rankings: geocities.com/cyber1166/gamefaqs/ContestGurus.xls The Contest Archives: http://geocities.com/cyber1166/gamefaqs |
| From: cyko | Posted: 4/7/2004 4:51:32 PM | Message Detail |
| btw- i nominated Gunstar Heroes and was ecstatic to see it make the contest!! cyko's Point of View Match 7 (7) Pong vs. (10) River City Ransom am i the only person who senses a Wario vs. Shadow reappearance here? >_> i mean, think about it. why did everyone on this board pick Wario to win? because he is far more recognizable. why did everyone pick Pong to win? also, because it is extremely more recognizable. noone had anything bad to say about Shadow, they just didn't think enough people would know who he is. and, yep, noone has anything bad to say about River City Ransom other than it's relative obscurity. River City Ransom is definitely one of the most obscure and least played games in this contest (along with Adventure, Panzer Dragoon Saga, and Phantasy Star 1 & 4). however, very few, if any, of the people who have played it have nothing but praise for the game (myself included). i believe about 100,000 copies of the game were produced (might be less, but i'm not sure), and the majority of this board hadn't even heard of it before this contest. so it's far less known than Shadow the Hedgehog. and (fortunately for Pong) the box cover is kinda lame, so it won't have that "cool pic factor" going for it that Shadow did. on the other hand, Pong is still the hardest game in the contest to gauge; which it will be at least until tomorrow's match is over. we know everyone knows the classic game, but who knows how many people will care about it? people haven't really been caring about the classics lately, though (see Pac-Man and Pitfall and Donkey Kong). we are learning that being well-known is not the same as being popular. this is the only first round match where i have no clue what will happen. all of the other matches, i have an opinion of whether it will be close or a blowout or whatever. but this one, i honestly don't know. if noone really has heard of RCR, then Pong could win with as much as 70%. but if noone really cares about Pong and more people than we thought have played RCR, then it could also upset with as much as 70%. i guess it all comes down to how many people on Gamefaqs have played River City Ransom. even if there were only 100,000 or so of the game made, and there was one site where half of those people frequented; it would be Gamefaqs. but my bracket hopes there aren't that many............. Prediction - eh..... Pong with 56 - 60% My Bracket - Pong Personal Favorite - River City Ransom - what a great game. seriously, go try this game when it is re-released, especially with a friend. Pong........ well....... it was Pongtastic, but nowhere near RCR's quality. --- Current Score: 6/6 (through Zelda vs. Adventure) Tied for 1st place with ????? other users. A Cheese Legend of Trivia 12 |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 4/7/2004 5:52:53 PM | Message Detail |
| Meh, since everyone else is doing it and I'm such a conformist, I guess I'll post a short preview of the next match: Pong vs. River City Ransom Pong: If you haven't heard of this game then you're a time-traveler from the sixties. Go away, hippie. River City Ransom: I never played it or even heard of it before this contest but apparently it has something to do with a high school takeover and the girlfriend of a guy named Ryan. The only guy I know named Ryan goes to a special school and gets in trouble if he doesn't take his meds. I feel that the extent of the analysis needed here is that Pong is a household name while RCR is not. That normally doesn't mean much on a video game website since we're supposed to be more knowledgeable than the average mortal on the subject of games. For a match featuring two games so ancient that the vast majority of the voting public on GameFAQs has not played either, however, name recognition is what's going to win the day. --- Proud Supporter of Starcraft in the Sp2K4 Contest Current Score: 5/5, Next Winner: Legend of Zelda |
| From: Yesmar | Posted: 4/7/2004 6:07:46 PM | Message Detail |
| Yesmar's Contest Comments: Day 6: 4/7/04 · Yesterday's match was close!! 50.07%!!! That makes it the fourth closest match ever, only behind Samus Vs. Sonic and the two Mario/Crono duels. I wouldn't be surprised if this ended up being the closest match of the contest. · On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if today's match ended up being the biggest blowout ever in contest history. C'mon Adventure. Can't you even manage to get freakin' five percent?!! This is just pathetic. · It should be of note that Adventure was the only game in the contest that I had not even heard of, with the exception of Phantasy Star IV, which I had not heard about in particular, but I assumed existed. Also, I had heard of River City Ransom, but I didn't know what it was about. --- Heh Heh... The wind... It is blowing...--Ganondorf |
| From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 4/7/2004 6:26:36 PM | Message Detail |
| Ah, dropped a lot due to the loss of Duck Hunt on the Guru Brackets. --- "...one among you...will shortly perish..." - Janus Zeal (Chrono Trigger) SPC2k4 : Winner - Chrono Trigger |
| From: Starion | Posted: 4/7/2004 6:35:13 PM | Message Detail |
| For
those who know how to calculate these stats, can you calculate the
expected amount of % SMB3 would have if it was the one who faced
Adventure? Some people are thinking that LOZ is the strongest game in
the 8-bit division based on today's results. However, I just don't
think LoZ is stronger than SMB3. --- Sp2004 Score:5/5 Today's Pick: Zelda Nominate Death for the 2004 Character Contest |
| From: DomaDragoon | Posted: 4/7/2004 6:55:16 PM | Message Detail |
| I can't read Excel files, is there any other way to see the nifty things that people are doing? As far as today's match goes, it's pretty amazing to me that LoZ is doing so well even with the pity votes that have been thrown to Adventure. I knew this was going to be a blowout (everyone knew that), but not to this degree. Is there any poll out there that has been this lopsided? --- Smart Ask! National Champion (2003) Chanting Monks www.rpgdl.com |
| From: creativename | Posted: 4/7/2004 7:16:18 PM | Message Detail |
| For
those who know how to calculate these stats, can you calculate the
expected amount of % SMB3 would have if it was the one who faced
Adventure No, since we don't know the relative strength of SMB3 and The Legend of Zelda. But if you assume that SMB3 would get 55% against The Legend of Zelda, since The Legend of Zelda is currently getting 95.31% against Adventure: -The Legend of Zelda = 95.31/4.69 = 20.32x Adventure -SMB3 = .55/.45 = 1.22x LoZ --> SMB3 = 24.79x Adventure --> SMB3 gets 24.79/(24.79+1) % against Adventure = 96.12% Assuming linear transitivity. Which probably doesn't hold too well for matches involving lightweights like this. But certainly, if SMB3 is indeed stronger than The Legend of Zelda, it should do better against Adventure in a match than LoZ. I can't read Excel files, is there any other way to see the nifty things that people are doing? Do a search for an Excel viewer. Here's an older one (combine the two lines): http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx? FamilyID=4EB83149-91DA-4110-8595-4A960D3E1C7C&displaylang=EN Is there any poll out there that has been this lopsided? No, this smashes Mega Man's record vs. Ms. Pac-Man. It also tops the Male vs. Female poll, something people were joking about earlier but I don't think many expected to actually occur. --- Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4! SC2K4.com |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 4/7/2004 7:16:22 PM | Message Detail |
| I
now have serious doubts about Pong. I wouldn't at all be surprised to
see it lose. In fact, I could see it losing fairly badly. A game's
"place in hitory" means nothing to tihs contest, DK and Adventure have
proven that without doubt. --- If either of those games beats Goldeneye, I`ll close my account and give everyone $23, just to be cooler than Crimson Hellkite. - UltimaterializerX |
| From: creativename | Posted: 4/7/2004 7:34:53 PM | Message Detail |
| Strange
to see so many people in this topic questioning Pong, because in every
other topic, people are basically dismissing River City Ransom out of
hand and expect this to be a blowout. I definitely agree with the people who are dubious of Pong's strength though. When I first saw the match I had no idea who would win this. I considered it a toss-up for a while until I saw how big a favorite Pong was. And while I do agree it should be the favorite, I don't have much faith in it. Who really cares about Pong? And we know that pre-NES era games are weak; we knew this before the contest even started. That said, I could certainly see Pong blowing out RCR with 65%, and I expect Pong to win with about 60%. But I have no confidence in those expectations. The main thing about River City Ransom is: it made it to the bracket. That by itself is very impressive. I've said this in another topic, but think of all the games that didn't make it, such as Punch-Out, Dragon Warrior, Ninja Gaiden, the Mega Man games, etc. So many of those games would probably beat Pong with ease. The NES was such a great system with such a strong library, and for River City Ransom to get enough nominations on it given the nomination system that was in place is very amazing. It shows that it's cult fanbase isn't that cult. (the same thing applies to Earthbound) So how come RCR is such a massive underdog? This makes no sense to me. --- Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4! SC2K4.com |
| From: Diamond Soul X | Posted: 4/7/2004 7:36:03 PM | Message Detail |
| The
thing about that argument is, there WAS a precedent for Duck Hunt.
People KNEW what it was, after all, it was included in the base package
for the NES. So the opportunity for the knowledge of it's existence was there. Most people didn't anticipate this and almost had their perfection broken up as a result. Similarly, those who DID anticipate this almost snuck one by when Duck Hunt very nearly squeezed one out. Now, what about Adventure? One big difference I can discern between that and Pong is the knowledge level. Pong is known by people. For that reason, it will get votes. It's also (Arguably) the FIRST game ever. That's history. So what then discerns it from Pac-Man? Well, one big difference I can think of, is that: River City Ransom =/= Metroid Samus gave Link a good fight in round 4 of the character battle. River City Ransom in comparison? Just doesn't measure up, at all. I do not think the separate cases can apply, and while I now agree this may be closer than we have anticipated, it will still be comfortably far away from being a tie. --- Overanalyzing Character Battles since 2002! Status: 5/5pts acquired. Current pick: The Legend of Zelda |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 4/7/2004 7:39:48 PM | Message Detail |
| Because it`s cult fanbase is bigger than other cults, I guess. --- MIASU! Boards Hunted: 3509 (Arcade - R) Married to Alanna82 on 4/5/04 at 9PM EST |
| From: nifboy | Posted: 4/7/2004 7:59:28 PM | Message Detail |
| You mean like Earthbound? --- "We seek as much data - raw facts, direct experience - as we can, and then we make up our own minds." - J. Moore |
| From: redline15 | Posted: 4/7/2004 8:01:38 PM | Message Detail |
| from ultimaterializerx: Proven wrong? Are you serious? Name one hard first round match in this contest where the winner is actually going to have a chance in its second round match. ...it seems you've missed my point. let's try again. i've seen you mention many times that the first round matches don't mean anything. and i agree they don't mean much to your contest score. ...but they are not meaningless to this board. yesterday everyone...newbies and vets alike...were up in arms about donkey kong vs. duck hunt...one of the lowest-profile matches in this contest. and they weren't excited about who lost one point. they were excited about who was proven right or wrong. ...and who was still a part of the "perfect club"...which even you seem to have put a lot of stock into. so don't keep trying to tell us these matches are meaningless. having your analysis shot down sucks... ...no matter how much the scoring system says it shouldn't... --- redline15: waiting for a signature |
| From: redline15 | Posted: 4/7/2004 8:08:32 PM | Message Detail |
| ...in a vain effort to be on topic... i don't think there's really a precedent for pong... i could see it being almost as strong as tetris...or weaker than pac-man... i still think it'll win against river city ransom...which most people have never even heard of... ...but after yesterday's matchup i'm not ruling anything out... --- redline15: waiting for a signature |
| From: creativename | Posted: 4/8/2004 2:28:52 AM | Message Detail |
| No
one's trying to say it's not a big deal on the boards. It's just not a
big deal in terms of the final standings, and the ratio of attention
paid to these unimportant matches/the sensitivity of your contest
victory function to the result of the matches is ridiculous. Anyway, in case anyone here is interested in doing update topics, I've made an update spreadsheet: http://sc2k4.com/updater.xls All you have to do is input the game names, and the vote totals for each period, and then copy & paste the relevant cells in Column I and the last value in Column K. For instance, copying cells I8:I16 and cell K16 gives you the results for the first 9 updates, as well as some additional info (votes per update needed to catch up, total votes, etc.). Unfortunately, the resident updater of the board--Chucat--doesn't have Excel, so this is useless for him. I hope someone with Excel might be interested in this so as to ease his burden. The poor guy's been working his ass off with Notepad and a calculator to provide the vast majority of the updates for each match so far. --- Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4! SC2K4.com |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 4/8/2004 2:40:53 AM | Message Detail |
| so don't keep trying to tell us these matches are meaningless. having your analysis shot down sucks... ...no matter how much the scoring system says it shouldn't... Let`s assume that you guess every single of of these hard first round matches correctly, but screw up the final. THAT`S my point. In terms of overall final score, everyone`s lost point here and there all evens out, so it all comes down to one tough match in a late round. Whether or not you choose to agree with me is up to you, but until you actually learn some decent grammar that doesn`t involve substituting ellipse points as periods and writing off my posts as baseless trash when they are in fact the exact opposite, I will not agree with you. Your opinion, while valid, is still wrong no matter how much you want to disagree with me. When the time came for last year`s Link/Cloud match, most people agreed with your point that the only thing seperating everyone were a few meaningless matches. Then Cloud actually won, thereby putting up 50 entirely new people onto the leaderboard and rendering most of the early debates pointless. This year, the same thing might very well happen. Of all the people bragging about perfect brackets and debating every topic that comes along, I guarantee you that well over 90% of them would be royally screwed if Zelda 1 managed to take down Super Mario 3; consequently, all of this debating was for nothing and the people that had nothing whatsoever to do with our board and picked their favorite games to win will have done better. New rule: Little kids who cannot use proper typing skills while debating will learn to shut up and color. It`s a wonder how half of the people on this site ever get out of 8th grade. --- MIASU! Boards Hunted: 3509 (Arcade - R) |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 4/8/2004 2:47:55 AM | Message Detail |
| What
a surprise. Another attention whoring alt account made by someone who
is afraid of their main account getting made fun of. Observe: User Name redline15 User ID 960988 Board User Level 25: New User (3) Awarded to users with at least 40 Karma. Can create 10 topics, 80 messages per day. Can now view own posting history. Account Created 2/26/2004 2:54:56 PM Last Login 4/8/2004 3:23:24 AM Signature redline15: waiting for a signature Quote redline15: the center of attention Public E-Mail Address Instant Messaging Karma 40 What a joke. I`d insult you further, but your keyboard has obviously done it for you. --- MIASU! New Rule: Little kids who take the internet too seriously will instead learn to shut up and color. |
| From: red sox 777 | Posted: 4/8/2004 2:52:33 AM | Message Detail |
| Last
year's winner could have gotten 2 more first-round matches wrong and
still have won without having to go to a tiebreaker. This was not the
case in 2002, where it went down to the tiebreaker, with the leaders'
points being tied, though. --- Spring Contest 2004 (Best. Game. Ever.): My Score: 4/5 Today's Pick: The Legend of Zelda |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 4/8/2004 2:59:13 AM | Message Detail |
| ^^^I was waiting for a vet to back me up. Anyhoo, while those tough first round matches are good for the board, they`re pointless for your final score. If you get all those first round matches right yet screw up the final, you`re done. --- MIASU! New Rule: Little kids who take the internet too seriously will instead learn to shut up and color. |
| From: Terran | Posted: 4/8/2004 2:59:40 AM | Message Detail |
| With
Pong securing a safe lead of roughly 2,100 over RCR already, it seems
that the next potentionally close match won't be held for a few days,
when SFII faces SMRPG. That match might not end up very close, but I
think it could suprise some. --- Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo merge to create...Microtendony! Spring Contest Rec: 5-1 (83.3%) PTS: 5 Streak: W4 Pick: Pong |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 4/8/2004 3:12:21 AM | Message Detail |
| That match might not end up very close, but I think it could suprise some. Which way are you leaning, and which match did you get wrong? --- MIASU! New Rule: Little kids who take the internet too seriously will instead learn to shut up and color. |
| From: Fett0001 | Posted: 4/8/2004 3:44:21 AM | Message Detail |
| he missed the second match |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/8/2004 4:41:12 AM | Message Detail |
| Ugh, what a slaughter. I didn't expect this. Yet another bad match in the Oracle Challenge... oh well, at least I'm 5/7 now. Looking at the board, some people STILL think Duck Hunt cheated. Spread my graphs and reveal the truth, people! Anyone here saw that 40000-2000 update for LoZ/Adventure? The odds of both games having three zeroes at the end at an updates are 1 in 165 CONTESTS. And we see this on our third... meaning we won't be seeing it again until 2086. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 003/005 --- Matches: 03/05 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: LoZ |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 4/8/2004 4:42:37 AM | Message Detail |
| How`d you figure that one out? --- MIASU! Boards Hunted: 3509 (Arcade - R) |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 4/8/2004 5:15:32 AM | Message Detail |
| Hey redline, before getting upset with me, check out this topic: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=8&topic=13501289 --- MIASU! Boards Hunted: 3509 (Arcade - R) |
| From: steve illumina | Posted: 4/8/2004 6:18:16 AM | Message Detail |
| Well here we go kiddies :) Time for... Steve Illumina Speaks Thats right, the infamous yet humorous commentary is back, to go with all the rest of us here in this, the greatest of threads, the most worthy of postings on this fanboy dominated board. And so it continues, with the final match of the "Ancient" Division Match VIII (2)Tetris vs (15)Galaga Steve's Prediction: Tetris with over 80% Steve's Bracket: Tetris Newbie's Pick: Space Invaders Upset Chances: Better shot the Soviet Union reforms! Comments: Here we got the most prolific release in gaming history, having appeared on countless systems, versus a bonafide shooter classic! Mother Russia has given gaming two great things...Zangief! (SF Fanboys, cheer me! Rah Rah!) And Tetris. Tetris...the puzzler so good it sold more Game Boys than Nintendo dreamed. The game so grand it was copied by Tengen and brought the hands of justice down upon them by Nintendo in the 80's. The game so..oh hech we all know how good it is! Tetris is a dark horse in this division...and all us bracket boys and girls best be wary of it. All the talk has been of Mario 3 and Zelda 1...but Tetris has gotten little in the way of comparative discussion and support. Heck people talked more leading up to the tourney about that lame joke Duck Hunt. So what does this mean? Could be plenty...could be nothing. I say plenty...cause Tetris is a certain Sweet 16. Beyond that....hmmmmm... As for Galaga...its a good fun basic shooter...a minigame in old PS1 Tekken and in MK2 Arcade...a great part of the Namco Museum...and way better than duds like Pitfall, Adventure and Pong. But not good enough here. Probable Results: Tetris will line up its L shape blocks and straight pieces and score a Tetris on Galaga. And it will reach mid 80's by end of night... Steve's Moments: Tetris: Anyone remember PC Internet version called Tetrinet? I used to rule Case's Ladder on that game. Galaga: Good for a quick play now and then! --- SC2K4: 6/7 Points! Read my Commentary! http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=8&topic=13441449 |
| From: FastFalcon05 | Posted: 4/8/2004 6:38:01 AM | Message Detail |
| Ulti
you have caused me grief, a lot of grief. I just spent about two
paragraphs writing a mean, but polite, angry letter at you, and then I
go read that topic, and then I *crash* *sigh* well, It's refreshing to know that's standard procedure, and you weren't being as serious as I thought. Well, that's a pretty harsh way of testing people, but to each his own I suppose. well, that's good to hear at any rate : ) now, as for what he was saying, I am going to disagree somewhat, the first round battles do matter, or at least they have the potential to, the points could end up really close, and the winner could be decided by PS/Contra. Now, of course the finals and later rounds are much more important, but they still factor a little... --- Was nokia trying to prove that something can be made worse than x-box? ~Darkbaconslayer on N-Gage |
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