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| From: smitelf | Posted: 4/16/2004 9:26:09 AM | Message Detail |
| I
love your commentary, steve...I also think it a travesty for MK to be
up against FFVI in the first round. It's probably my third favorite in
this division, right behind FFVI and SMW. I might even give it a pity
vote, despite liking FFVI slightly more. Everyone wish me luck...it is time to depart for my Ordinary Differential Equations final exam. See you all afterward...if I survive. --- Engaged to MWIS 04/07/04 Current Sp2K4 Score: 14/14, Next Winner: Doom |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/16/2004 9:35:16 AM | Message Detail |
| Well, it's that time again. I have no clue how MK and FF6 sold. Any clues? --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 011/014 --- Matches: 11/14 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: Earthbound |
| From: Mild Guy | Posted: 4/16/2004 9:54:34 AM | Message Detail |
| As
popular as FF6 is, it is a pretty safe bet that MK sold more copies,
and the arcade have mad bling too. That's what I remember anyways, but
I wouldn't know where to get the sales figures. --- Proud Supporter of Every Sega Game in the Contest (except Phantasy Star 1) Current Score 13/14. |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/16/2004 9:56:28 AM | Message Detail |
| I don't need exact figures. Good point about the arcades though. Guess I've got enough opinions... I think I can go on with the preview. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 011/014 --- Matches: 11/14 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: Earthbound |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/16/2004 10:36:34 AM | Message Detail |
| *** COMPARISONS GAME - Match #16 - (2) FINAL FANTASY 6 vs. (15) MORTAL KOMBAT *** Sales Once again, I had to rely on my fellow board members for this. And while I had a hunch MK sold better, I don't have enough knowledge of that time to draw correct conclusions. But in the end, about everyone said that MK outsold FF6 easily. RPGs were still a very niche genre back then (it would take a certain game called FF7 to get it out of that status), while MK was all the rage on consoles and arcades alike. All in all, worldwide MK was more widely played. On GameFAQs? Maybe, maybe not. - Advantage MK. Franchises And that's where reality hits like a baseball bat with electrified barbed wire. Final Fantasy is just too popular to be taken out by any franchise that isn't one of the top on this site. And is Mortal Kombat anywhere near that? ...Nah. - Advantage FF6. GameFAQs Status Number of FAQs: FF6 Number of reviews: MK Average review score: FF6 Board activity: FF6 The only reason MK wins in the second category is because I combined Arcade, SNES and Genesis. And even there, it's close, 55-49 MK. For the rest, FF6 absolutely SPANKS MK. The good reviews for MK are few and far between, practically no FAQs, two tiny boards and even a barren one (SNES). - Advantage FF6. Board Odds Project PICKS (out of 102) Final Fantasy 6 - 101 Mortal Kombat - 1 POINT VALUE 8. Final Fantasy 6 - 619 54. Mortal Kombat - 1 Um... that's a huge thrashing, yes it is. But beyond that, despite the majority having it come to a screeching halt in round 3, it's still tied for 8th with a favorite to win its half-division, Wind Waker. Even if in both cases we're talking very small majorities, it's still favored by a lot of people to pull the upset in round 3. I don't like its chances and very much prefer SSBM in that case, but this is not about me. People picked FF6 to go far, and that's it. - Advantage FF6. Summer Contests / Polls of the Day Now here's the interesting part. I've said it often by now, but for those of you who noticed it, have you noticed Scorpion did better against Pac-Man than Kefka? On the other hand, FF6 is the perennial second in "favorite FF" polls. A very distant second compared to SMW, LttP or Metroid Prime, but a second nonetheless, even above FF10. And I don't see many people doubting FF10's power, except for all 7 Shenmue fanboys on this site. Nonetheless, I get the feeling the fanbases for FF1-6 and 7-11 are quite different, and of course the advantage goes to the latter. Of course, it doesn't mean FF7-11 fans won't lend FF6 a hand... but then where were they for Kefka? Probably because they don't know Kefka is made by Square and has Final Fantasy tacked onto the title. I am reluctant to give this category to anyone... but just because FF6 is still the second favorite FF, and has always been despite being 10 years old (except for poll #3 ;) ), we have a winner. - Advantage FF6. Intangibles Umm... how about, fighters are unpopular here and RPGs rule? Ackbar used a lot of cruisers, tons of Whinekens were tossed because of a certain match that shall remain nameless... Except, there's a huge problem. The SC/PotD part implies that FF6's score could fall under a huge range. It could barely double MK, or it could quadruple it (in which case it suddenly becomes the huge favorite to win the tournament). FF1 probably got help from the new-school fans, but that's only because Pitfall wasn't getting anywhere on name recognition. Mortal Kombat is no Pitfall, but then again many of those who played FF6 loved it to death. What to do, what to do? Wait, I know what to do. - TIE. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 011/014 --- Matches: 11/14 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: Earthbound |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/16/2004 10:38:28 AM | Message Detail |
| Conclusion:
I'm probably the only one here who sees MK getting a respectable chunk
of the vote. Of course, FF6 is unlikely to "GET OVER HERE", but since
the 1-on-1 ambience is real similar to that of a Summer Contest battle
(read: Pac-Man vs. Kefka), we might see something that gets closer to
it than the "favorite FF" polls indicate. Or I could be way off and FF6
will ass-rape MK. Either way, even though the outcome is obvious, this
match will be more interesting than the other blowouts in that division. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 011/014 --- Matches: 11/14 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: Earthbound |
| From: steve illumina | Posted: 4/16/2004 11:18:24 AM | Message Detail |
| And I don't see many people doubting FF10's power, except for all 7 Shenmue fanboys on this site. Hahah I counted 5...I better recount the Shenmue fanboys! God that game will be destroyed as bad as Gunstar for sure. Slowflake: also, u aint the only one thinking MK will get a lot of votes. I feel it will also! 30000 or more I say! You know how strongly I believe in it! smite: Thanks! Appreciate your compliments! --- SC2K4: 13/15! Read my Satirical Contest Commentary! Steve Illumina: Standing tall against fanboys for over 20 years |
| From: Yesmar | Posted: 4/16/2004 11:56:09 AM | Message Detail |
| Yesmar's Contest Comments: Day 15: 4/16/04 · PC gamers should be happy. This will be their shining moment in the tournament. Even if Starcraft manages to win its first-match, I highly doubt it will manage to get the percentage that Doom is getting. · Yay!! My bracket is saved again. It's funny that the only matches I've gotten wrong so far have been 8 Vs. 9 Seed matches, and if Xenogears manages to win on Monday, that trend will continue. · I guess this pretty much establishes Earthbound as a cult game, and probably the most popular of all the cult games on the contest, or maybe even the most popular. . . ON THE WHOLE INTERNET!!!!! MWAHAHA!!! · In other news, if Final Fantasy VI can't manage to get 70% tomorrow (which I think it will), it's days are numbered, IMO. --- Heh Heh... The wind... It is blowing...--Ganondorf |
| From: redline15 | Posted: 4/16/2004 12:43:34 PM | Message Detail |
| ...heh. so much for my so-called analysis... of course...nobody could be sure about doom's support... and it's good to see it getting to round 2... ...but it is still disturbing. aside from that... thanks to slowflake for the explanations... ...and my apologies for wasting so many posts yesterday. i will try to limit this in the future... --- signature (n.): a random bit of gibberish that no one ever reads. |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/16/2004 1:14:48 PM | Message Detail |
| Don't
worry, redline. It's not like posts here aren't expendable. I mean,
Solar can just make a new topic anytime. I guess he must be flattered,
at least a little, to have launched the biggest multi-part topic ever
on this board. I think that aside from SSBM high scores topics, there
are very few that can compare to this. I mean, this is, what, the 12th
topic of the series? And Steve, I know what you mean, but I think that comes more from your confidence in MK, whereas I think FF6 really is going nowhere. From what I've seen on this board, only Ncr shares that opinion. Sad, really, since it's my second favorite ever, but that's okay. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 011/014 --- Matches: 11/14 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: Earthbound |
| From: Phediuk | Posted: 4/16/2004 2:22:28 PM | Message Detail |
| Match #14 Review: Ho hum. Another day, another blowout. Match #16 Preview: I don't think MK will be totally humiliated in this match...but it'll still get squashed by FFVI. --- "Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle." -Toad in Super Mario Bros. |
| From: steve illumina | Posted: 4/16/2004 2:26:35 PM | Message Detail |
| Slowflake: MK or FF3 is your 2nd favorite? Either one is a good choice, I just want to be sure which u meant is your 2nd fav! --- SC2K4: 12/14! Read my Satirical Contest Commentary! Steve Illumina: Standing tall against fanboys for over 20 years |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 4/16/2004 2:36:31 PM | Message Detail |
| Don't worry, redline. It's not like posts here aren't expendable. I mean, Solar can just make a new topic anytime. Speaking of solar, I haven't seen him posting around here in a while... Oh, and I love the Whinekins pic. Did you make it, Slow? Anyway, it's cool, and I'll probably be using the word Whinekins around here from now on. Consider it a compliment. Anyway, I'm back. Okay, on the the analysis: Match Review: Super Metroid vs. Phantasy Star IV Another dull match with the combination of rape and Whinekins for the loser that has become the trademark of Division 16. Super Metroid didn't impress me; I still think it will fall to LttP, as expected. Match Preview: Final Fantasy VI vs. Mortal Kombat Final Fantasy VI: That Final Fantasy that came before VII. It's made by Square and has "Final Fantasy" in the title, and that's all it will need in its first two matches. Mortal Kombat: My favorite fighting game. However, it is a fighting game, and SFII lost to a much weaker opponent. Final Fantasy VI will trounce the competition. Square: 2, Fighting Genre: 0. This match should be good for judging where Final Fantasy VI stands, but not much else. I'm expecting a 75-80% win. My prediction: FFVI 77.5%, Mortal Kombat 22.5% --- Engaged to MWIS 04/07/04 Current Sp2K4 Score: 14/14, Next Winner: Doom |
| From: Garsha | Posted: 4/16/2004 2:38:57 PM | Message Detail |
| http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/seeding.html Someone made a mistake. Doom is the 10-seed. --- Points: 14/14/192 Vote in my SpC2K4 Boot & Immune tourney: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=8&topic=13626538 |
| From: cyko | Posted: 4/16/2004 3:23:14 PM | Message Detail |
| earlier,
i said that Doom winning wouldn't make any sense. upon closer
inspection, especially considering today's match, it appears that Super
Mario RPG vs. Street Fighter 2 is really the match that doesn't make
any sense. out of all these similar matches (PS vs Contra, Pong vs RCR,
SMRPG vs SF2, EB vs Doom) SMRPG was the only one to pull out the upset
over the much more recognizable and widely played game. go figure. i
guess having both "Mario" and "RPG" in the title really can draw more
votes. i swear to you, if i ever make a video game, i'm just gonna name it either "Ultimate Link RPG" or "The Erotic RPG Adventures of Cloud". i don't care what the game is about; i've decided to go with one of those two titles. those are all words and things that will apparently draw people to your game. well, at least on GameFAQS. cyko's Point of View Match 16 (2) Final Fantasy 3/6 vs. (15) Mortal Kombat okay, it's not a matter of who will get fatalitied here. it's just a matter of how bad of a fatality it will be. will it be like Sonya's wimpy little Kiss of Death, where Mortal Kombat simply incinerates into a pile of dust? or will it be more like Sub-Zero's Head-Ripping-Off-Taunt, where FF3 rips off MK's head and spine and holds it up in a victory pose for all MK fanboys to see, all while MK's lifeless body falls to the floor? i'm guessing it will lean towards the latter. so, maybe Kefka didn't do so well last year, but i've already explained why he doesn't represent his game well. (i'm telling you, throw Shadow in there and he could rival Magus, or at least Shadow the Hedgehog. having the same name has to count for something. =P) i feel that Final Fantasy will be able to gather most of the series support and give Mortal Kombat quite the beatdown. i know MK is no pushover, but if SMRPG can cruise past SF2, then the far more played SNES RPG should be able to handle MK. i expect it to break 75%. if FF3 does get any lower than 70%, though, i think it has very little chance against LTTP. but, if it breaks 80%.......... than, oh man, Zelda had better look out!! Prediction: Final Fantasy 3/6 with 74-76% my bracket: Final Fantasy 3/6 personal favorite: Final Fantasy 3/6 -i would go into detail, but i would be here for a long, long time. FF3 is the finest video game experience i have honestly ever enjoyed. this game was truly cinematic before we even had cinemas. it is still the RPG that i use to measure the quality of other RPGs. my personal best game ever. --- Current Score: 14/14 (through Super Metroid vs. PS4) Tied for 1st place with ????? other users. A WINNER of Trivia 12 |
| From: Haste2 | Posted: 4/16/2004 3:41:35 PM | Message Detail |
| Dang you, Slowflake...I have Pokemon GSC in my bracket. >:O Anybody remember the number of perfects by the end of the East Division Round 1 for the Summer 2003 contest? (How about for the S2K2 Contest, too?) I'm just wondering about how rapid the number of perfects go down as each tough match goes by, and I want to make sure there doesn't seem to be too many perfect brackets for how far we are. :P Oh, this is a little late, but you can't discount anti-votes: Lara Croft got 59.38% against Ryo Hazuki, while Dante got 77.65% against the same guy. If Ryo Hazuki got no anti-votes, then Dante should beat Lara Croft with 72.5%. In fact, even with the Summer 2003 Contest values, he'd should beat Lara with about 60% of the vote (and I think a little less than that for 2002). It would take a heck of a lot of stretching to say that's within typical error, and even if you add in a decrease for Ryo Hazuki (and I'd find that hard to believe, since Shenmue is, um, a "Cult classic") Also, don't forget that Lara Croft defeated Chop Chop Master Onion with only 69.63% of the vote...haha. He's obscure, AND he's from a rap-game... I hate analyzing matches in an organized way...it doesn't feel right for me. Anyway, I think Mortal Kombat will do decent against Final Fantasy VI, as I do believe that it's almost as popular as SFII. 25-30% for MK seems about right. Notice how there's been four 80+% blowouts in a row. I don't think this have ever happened before...has there even been three in a row? In fact, I expect there to be sixteen 75+% blowouts by the end. That's double of what we'd expect in the past. I kinda wish CJayC nominated the games himself now. Also, because there are more really obvious matches, I could see quite a few more perfects by the end of the round than initially expected. Thank you, Ulti. --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 4/16/2004 3:44:59 PM | Message Detail |
| What am I being thanked for? I think that aside from SSBM high scores topics, there are very few that can compare to this There are loads of running lounge topics on social boards that have had 40 or more topics hit 500+ posts. --- MIASU! I think im going to mark this topic for being too intelligent for GameFAQs. -Tulidian |
| From: Cthulhu | Posted: 4/16/2004 5:07:58 PM | Message Detail |
| It was the first game to use digitized filming of character actors which were then transferred to the game. What about Pit Fighter? |
| From: solid snake dark | Posted: 4/16/2004 5:26:43 PM | Message Detail |
| Stupid
Doom had to win...that's two losses now! Well I predict that FF3/6 will
rape MK and it will then proceed to rape Doom. Thank you for listening. --- dark solid snake = PURGATORY'D "You Bought an N-Gage, Didn't You?" -CJayC |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/16/2004 5:28:49 PM | Message Detail |
| MK or FF3 is your 2nd favorite? FF6. Though I do have some fond memories of MK, too. It's a shame that they got to face each other. I love the Whinekins pic. Did you make it, Slow? No, that was Ambrose777. I didn't slap his name below the topic for nothing, you know ;) And it's Whineken. You better start spelling it correctly, else no one will know what you're talking about ;) --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 011/014 --- Matches: 11/14 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: Earthbound |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 4/16/2004 5:54:29 PM | Message Detail |
| And it's Whineken. You better start spelling it correctly, else no one will know what you're talking about ;) Bah, you would think I would know that...being in college and all... --- Engaged to MWIS 04/07/04 Current Sp2K4 Score: 14/14, Next Winner: Doom |
| From: Team Rocket Elite | Posted: 4/16/2004 5:59:09 PM | Message Detail |
| Anybody
remember the number of perfects by the end of the East Division Round 1
for the Summer 2003 contest? (How about for the S2K2 Contest, too?) I'm
just wondering about how rapid the number of perfects go down as each
tough match goes by, and I want to make sure there doesn't seem to be
too many perfect brackets for how far we are. :P Here you go, current scores after Round 16: Current Scores: 16 233(0.57%/1 in 176.2) 15 1249(3.04%/1 in 32.87) 14 3414(8.31%/1 in 12.03) 13 6180(15.05%/1 in 6.644) 12 8514(20.74%/1 in 4.823) 11 8733(21.27%/1 in 4.702) 10 6496(15.82%/1 in 6.321) 9 3713(9.04%/1 in 11.06) 8 1657(4.04%/1 in 24.78) 7 607(1.48%/1 in 67.64) 6 171(0.42%/1 in 240.1) 5 49(0.12%/1 in 837.9) 4 16(0.04%/1 in 2566) 3 11(0.03%/1 in 3733) 2 10(0.02%/1 in 4106) 1 3(0.007%/1 in 13686) 0 3(0.007%/1 in 13686) Percentile 16 99.43% 15 96.39% 14 88.08% 13 73.02% 12 52.29% 11 31.02% 10 15.20% 9 6.15% 8 2.12% 7 0.64% 6 0.22% 5 0.10% 4 0.07% 3 0.04% 2 0.01% 1 0.007% 0 0% Average score: 11.32 Median Score: 11 --- ''Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts...'' ''All dreams are but another reality. Never forget...'' |
| From: Team Rocket Elite | Posted: 4/16/2004 6:02:30 PM | Message Detail |
| Forgot to mention that those stats are for the Summer 2003 Contest. I don't have the data from the Summer 2002 Contest. --- ''Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts...'' ''All dreams are but another reality. Never forget...'' |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 4/16/2004 6:04:43 PM | Message Detail |
| Y'know,
I've been thinking (yes, I know that's a bad sign...silence, you) that
although the last few matches were dull because they were blowouts, the
next two matches -- despite being just as obvious -- will be more
interesting because they can be used to predict later, more crucial
matches. Tomorrow we've got FFVI's first match which will show how well it compares to LttP. LttP did well, though not staggeringly so, just as it ought to do against a much weaker title. FFVI, despite being the 2-seed, has a much tougher opponent, one perhaps only slightly below the league of SFII. If it gets 85% then those with LttP in their bracket should be worried. I expect it to get between 75-80%; if it gets lower, there's no way it can beat LttP. Then we've got FFVII's first match, in which we will see what power this game really has. Suikoden II is not a "weak" game by any stretch of the imagination (unlike Adventure or Gunstar Heroes) and was unfortunate in its seeding. If FFVII can pull a 90% victory on Suikoden II then we might as well declare it the winner of the contest right now. I'm expecting around 80-85% (this is Final Fantasy VII, after all) but if it gets into nineties territory then I don't see what other powerhouse can stop it -- unless, of course, OoT manages to pull 90%+ on Fallout 2. --- Engaged to MWIS 04/07/04 Current Sp2K4 Score: 14/14, Next Winner: Doom |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 4/16/2004 6:10:42 PM | Message Detail |
| Hey
TRE, thanks for the info. I get the impression that we'll have more
perfects than that at the end of this division...there seem to be more
on the boards than last year, anyway. Goodness knows I was nowhere
close to perfect at this point last year... --- Engaged to MWIS 04/07/04 Current Sp2K4 Score: 14/14, Next Winner: Doom |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/16/2004 6:15:25 PM | Message Detail |
| Notice
how there's been four 80+% blowouts in a row. I don't think this have
ever happened before...has there even been three in a row? Let's see... SUMMER 2002 CONTEST 15. Knuckles the Echidna vs. Akira Yuki 24. Link vs. Little Mac 25. Sonic the Hedgehog vs. Pitfall Harry 28. Ryu vs. CATS 29. Megaman vs. Ms. Pac-Man 31. Sephiroth vs. Gabe Logan 47. Megaman vs. Serious Sam 48. Sephiroth vs. Crash Bandicoot 49. Mario Mario vs. Donkey Kong SUMMER 2003 CONTEST 1. Link vs. AiAi 9. Cloud Strife vs. CATS 17. Mario Mario vs. Captain Olimar 20. Crono vs. Tom Nook 24. Sephiroth vs. Raziel 25. Solid Snake vs. Raiden 32. Megaman vs. Mr. Resetti 33. Link vs. Fox McCloud 44. Sephiroth vs. Max Payne SPRING 2004 CONTEST 1. Super Mario Bros. 3 vs. Metal Gear 4. Final Fantasy vs. Pitfall 6. Legend of Zelda vs. Adventure 11. Sonic the Hedgehog 2 vs. Shining Force 12. Super Mario World vs. The Simpsons 13. Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past vs. Gunstar Heroes 14. Super Metroid vs. Phantasy Star 4 17. Final Fantasy 7 vs. Suikoden 2 22. Goldeneye vs. Panzer Dragoon Saga 23. Super Mario 64 vs. NiGHTS Into Dreams 24. Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time vs. Fallout 2 30. Final Fantasy 10 vs. Shenmue 35. Donkey Kong vs. Legend of Zelda (Projected ones in italics) So, it happened once with a Megaman/Sephiroth/Mario string, and it could happen again with Goldeneye/SM64/OoT. I'm not too sure about Goldeneye though. Still, it's frightening. We've had 9 in each contest, yet we could end up with 12 in the first round alone. Fortunately, outside of LoZ/DK, I don't foresee any in the second round or later. This round is just something to weed out the unnecessary fodder... the fun will truly begin with the second round, as we only have three tough matches left in this one (Pokémon/Xenogears, PD/SOTN, and Halo/Starcraft). --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 011/014 --- Matches: 11/14 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: Earthbound |
| From: Ngamer64 | Posted: 4/16/2004 7:58:00 PM | Message Detail |
| Alright...
well, although Doom has continued to fall, %-wise, over the past 7 or
so hours, Earthbound has still been unable to make any dent in Doom's
sizeable lead, which has now been extended to well over 10k. And so,
lady and gentlemen, I think it's time to announce that we officially
have a much smaller Perfect Club here in Guru Land. The Perfects Ngamer Ncr Bananaquest smitelf Sephirot A few people were asking for a text version of the ranks the other day, so I'll try to paste them in here now. The Contest Guru Scoreboard 1st Ngamer 15 1st Ncrdrg 15 1st Bananaquest 15 1st Sephirot 15 1st smitelf 15 6th cyko 14 6th neoatomtaco 14 6th IMAP 14 6th Haste2 14 6th UltimaterializerX 14 6th Starion 14 6th Shake 14 6th StopPokingMe 14 6th Heroic Mario 14 6th King Morgoth 14 6th nh82 14 17th solarshadow 13 17th Ringworm 13 17th Z1mZum 13 17th red sox 777 13 17th Team Rocket Elite 13 17th FastFalcon 13 17th Xuxon 13 17th Sir Chris 13 17th swirldude 13 17th Yesmar 13 17th charmander 13 28th creativename 12 28th ChichiriMuyo 12 28th torey luvullo 12 28th DomaDragoon 12 Hey, that worked out pretty well. So, as you can see, from 31 originally we've fallen to a mere 5 on top. Let's take a look ahead to Pokemon/Xenogears, which is not only the next big match; it's actually the most important of the entire first round. Only 53.33% of us went with the favorite, Xenogears. This is significant in that, not only is the margin razor thin, it's also the only time all round that we were less confident than the board majority, who had X pegged at a rate of 59.80%. In my mind, that signals trouble for the PSX classic... and I'm loving it. But ok, here's how the perfects will be broken up after that one: If Pokemon wins: Ngamer, smitelf If Xenogears wins: Sephirot, Bananaquest, and Ncr And now, just for fun, I think I'll break things down the way CJay used to do, back in the old days when there was such a thing as a "stat page." Wow, it seems like almost a year since we've seen one of those, eh? Guru Prediction Stats after 16 Matches (assuming a win for FF3) 16 - 5, 16.13% 15 - 11, 35.48% 14 - 11, 35.48% 13 - 4, 12.90% 12 - 0, 0.00% Boy, we're smart! *pats us on the back* --- the-elite.net Guru Rankings: geocities.com/cyber1166/gamefaqs/ContestGurus.xls The Contest Archives: http://geocities.com/cyber1166/gamefaqs |
| From: amikokyra | Posted: 4/16/2004 8:41:04 PM | Message Detail |
| bump --- How's life treating you Norm?---Coach Like it caught me in bed with its wife.---Norm |
| From: stormfusion | Posted: 4/16/2004 8:47:35 PM | Message Detail |
| I'm
perfect... how do you join this "guru-club" (not going through 48 pages
to find out I had to signup a while ago or something... --- The Emus are Everywhere |
| From: Tai | Posted: 4/16/2004 8:49:14 PM | Message Detail |
| I am must looking forward to Pokemon vs Xenogears. People might be at the endge of their seat at this one. :-) --- Welcome to Sp2CK4, where your opinion does not matter. -Xenobi. |
| From: solarshadow | Posted: 4/16/2004 9:19:11 PM | Message Detail |
| Well,
I must say this is the first match where the result truly surprised me.
While I did think Doom would win (despite my bracket saying otherwise),
I didn't expect it to win by nearly so much. I'm impressed. I thought
SFII might beat SMRPG, but I wasn't surprised when it didn't. But
either Doom is proving that the right PC game can do okay on GameFAQs,
or Earthbound is proving that it really is a niche title. I suspect the
latter. :) Solar just might ban me from this topic if Doom wins. :( Ha, not likely! Get a match like FFVII vs. Suikoden II wrong, then we'll talk... I mean, Solar can just make a new topic anytime. Oh sure, I'll just pull a new one out of my... Hey wait, you're right, that is pretty easy. Hmm. I guess he must be flattered, at least a little, to have launched the biggest multi-part topic ever on this board. Absolutely. It really is amazing how much it's grown since its humble beginnings. The best part is that all of my favorite posters hang out here, so I really don't need to spend much time searching the rest of the board. :) Speaking of solar, I haven't seen him posting around here in a while... You haven't been spending enough time in the Oracle topic. He hasn't had time for anything else. :( Someone made a mistake. Doom is the 10-seed. What?? Nonsense, I don't make mistakes. Check again. ;) Oh, I see now ^_^ He`s making fun of the fact that I complain in every new topic he makes due to him never including me in the elite list of people he thanks. But now that I`ve made his list in the manner of reverse psychology, I`ll shut up. Thanks, solar! Heh, I knew you'd appreciate that. =) And it's Whineken. You better start spelling it correctly, else no one will know what you're talking about. Heh, I saw the original topic where you requested Whineken pics. I even made you one, although I lost the topic so I didn't know where to post it. Here will do: http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/whineken.jpg Where are the others? Must see. :) |
| From: steve illumina | Posted: 4/16/2004 11:43:29 PM | Message Detail |
| Well
it looks like Doom will finish at 57%...I predicted 58%...I have not
been that close to exact in a while on such a hot matchup. SO yep I am happy...Go MK! --- SC2K4: 13/15! Read my Satirical Contest Commentary! Steve Illumina: Standing tall against fanboys for over 20 years |
| From: creativename | Posted: 4/17/2004 12:20:29 AM | Message Detail |
| Wow...Final
Fantasy VI is getting close to 79% against MK. I'm surprised. Until I
saw the very high % predictions for Final Fantasy VI in the Oracle
challenge and the 60K-80K predictions in the Prophet challenge, I
didn't think Final Fantasy VI could win by that much. MK is a lot
weaker than I thought it would be before the contest started. This makes me happy =0) Final Fantasy VI deserves to PWN the hell out of MK. Final Fantasy VI vs. A Link to the Past should be a good match. I still expect A Link to the Past to win, but Final Fantasy VI should get at least 44%, I'm thinking. Oh, and I've seen people (I think SlowFlake and Heroic Mario) say that if Final Fantasy VI got 80% here it just won the contest. I very much disagree. It might very well end up with 80% (though I think it's % may drop during the day), but it still isn't going to challenge Final Fantasy VII or Ocarina of Time. But the 16 bit division is looking a lot more interesting now. --- Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4! SC2K4.com |
| From: Ringworm | Posted: 4/17/2004 12:52:53 AM | Message Detail |
| Quarter time Review! After today's match, we will be quarter of the way through the tournament (or close enough). So far, the tournament has been pretty boring, with few close matches. Anyway, here's my analysis of what's happened so far. Best match - Donkey Kong v Duck Hunt. Despite the fact I got this wrong, this has been the one entertaining match so far, and the only one not over in the first few hours. I thought it was at the time, but that's a different story. Biggest upset - Contra defeating Phantasy Star. Not unexpected, but I thought it would be closer. Hardest match to predict - Doom v Earthbound. I'm guessing this would of ruined quite a few brackets, hard to know without the stats though. Most boring match - CT v SoM/SM v PS4 (tie). Both came at the end of four easy matches to predict, none of them were even close. (Some may argue with Pong v RCR, but I thought it was obvious). I was really looking forward to the next matches after each of these, hoping for something close, but both were anti-climactc. Games that shouldn't of been in the tournament - Adventure, Gunstar Heroes. These two did miserably, even against strong games. Games that came close to this include Pitfall and Galaga. A lot of the others could of done better against easier opponents. Second round matches: SMB3 v Metroid - Mario v Samus, interesting match up with Metroid doing better than I expected. I'm guessing SMB3 will win easily though. Contra v Final Fantasy - No contest, FF makes it through based on the name alone. Donkey Kong v Zelda - Zelda won't win by as much as round 1, but it'll still be big Pong v Tetris - Two games which will struggle to get a character in the character contest, so this is their only chance at glory. Tetris should be strong enough to get a rather easy win. CT v SMRPG - Mario v Crono III? Sort of. Crono should win this one though, that's the difference. The two games surprised me in Rd 1 though, I expected CT to do a bit better, SMRPG to do a bit worse. Sonic 2 v SMW - First close Rd 2 match. I'd like to see Sonic win to be honest. Never really got into SMW. LttP v Super Metroid - Another tough match, I'd say LttP is the more popular of the two, despite the seedings. I'm guessing it'll be quite close though, and may be a preview of WW v MP. Doom v FF6 - No contest, FF6 easily. I hope anyway. Don't want to lose any more points from my Earthbound tip. The second round doesn't really heat up until the latter two divisions though. Here's hoping it'll be a bit more interesting than Rd 1 so far! --- Betting: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=8&topic=13664903 14/16 Next: FF7 |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 4/17/2004 5:45:06 AM | Message Detail |
| So now will you people start believing me about FF6 having no chance in hell against LTTP? --- MIASU! I think im going to mark this topic for being too intelligent for GameFAQs. -Tulidian |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 4/17/2004 5:48:37 AM | Message Detail |
| Before
I forget, a note for redline. There is no such thing as wasting posts
in this topic. You`ll find that this topic is a hiding spot for some of
the smartest people on this board, and for some reason, we get next to
zero trolls and dumbasses. I act like one sometimes, but I`m actually
far from being that way. If you have something to post, a question to
ask, or an analysis to give, give it. We aren`t exactly protective of
the 500 post limit in this thing, and could honestly care less. Just
don`t say things like "WHOAMG WHY THE **** IS EARTHBOUND LUESING OH
NOES!!11!oneone", and you`ll be just fine around here ^_^ --- MIASU! I think im going to mark this topic for being too intelligent for GameFAQs. -Tulidian |
| From: red sox 777 | Posted: 4/17/2004 6:48:01 AM | Message Detail |
| I
never really gave much thought to LttP/FFVI before the contest began;
Kefka's extremely weak performance (against both Crono and Pac-Man)
made me conclude that LttP would win easily. After this match, I can
see that this match will be closer than I thought, as Link only got 76%
against Scorpion in SC2002, while Final Fantasy VI will probably
continue losing percentage throughout the day, ending with ~73% or so.
Of course, Link is probably stronger than A Link to the Past, so this
match could actually be quite tight. --- Spring Contest 2004 (Best. Game. Ever.): My Score: 13/15 Today's Pick: Final Fantasy VI |
| From: steve illumina | Posted: 4/17/2004 6:57:38 AM | Message Detail |
| Well here we go kiddies :) Time for... Steve Illumina Speaks Thats right, the infamous yet humorous commentary is back, to go with all the rest of us here in this, the greatest of threads, the most worthy of postings on this fanboy dominated board. And so it continues, with the ho-hum contractual #1 seed 1st round blowout win in the "Golden Age" Division Match XVII (1)FFVII vs (16)Suikoden II Steve's Prediction: FF7 by 87.2% Steve's Bracket: FF7 Newbie's Pick: Do I really gotta tell ya? Upset Chances: Again, do I really gotta tell ya??? Comments: Here we got Square's flagship masterpiece, FFVII, against the underappreciated gem, Suikoden II. Poor poor Suikoden II...it really deserves better treatment than this. Nights into Dreams should be the sucker taking the #16 seed beating here, not Suikoden II. This game (and series) exudes class and deserves the respect of every gamer everywhere. You know a game is worthy when it fetches $100 bucks or more on Ebay and is rare as hell to find in your corner EB Games, Gamestop, Flea Market, Swap Meet, or Yard Sale. Suikoden II is that game. Clueless Cloudites won't ever have heard of it or if they have, wont give it the time of day...a real pity. These Cloudites instead will support their idol...their banner, their love. Every last Square fanboy will band together for this, their crown jewel, their cream of the crop, their piece of plum pudding in a gaming pie...FFVII. Not so secret meetings have been held, gathering the loose confederation of fanboy and fangirl loyalist organizations..everyone from the 'Square Squadron' to 'Tifa's Babes'. From 'Aeris' Army' to 'Barret's Brigade' to the 'International Brotherhood of Squaresoft'. Every last fanboy shall rally around the cause. Every fangirl, every cosplayer, every blind devoted kiddie who tattooed Jenova to their arm will stand tall behind this, their reason for living... Probable Results: FF7 by 87% or more...Suikoden just cant compete with a fanboy backed juggernaut. Steve's Moments: FF7: I cried, I'll admit it...it was beautiful. That short scene was better than the entire FF Movie! Bring on Advent Children! Suikoden II: Ah..cooking! This one's for you, Harv! --- SC2K4: 14/16! Read my Satirical Contest Commentary! Steve Illumina: Standing tall against fanboys for over 20 years |
| From: Haste2 | Posted: 4/17/2004 7:04:38 AM | Message Detail |
| Say,
if you had your choice to seed all the games in this contest within
their division, what do you think it would look like? In fact, I'll
just do the first division now, as I don't feel like spending that much
time. I'll leave the original seeds there so you can see the movement
of it all, heh. Division 8: 1. Super Mario Bros. 3 3. Legend of Zelda 4. Final Fantasy 8. Metroid - this could give Final Fantasy a good run, though... 2. Tetris 12. Contra - Pac-Man could be ahead of Contra, but it looked pretty good against Phantasy Star... 9. Pac-Man 6. Donkey Kong 11. Duck Hunt 7. Pong 5. Phantasy Star 16. Metal Gear 15. Galaga 10. River City Ransom - 32% against Pong? PONG? 13. Pitfall 14. Adventure --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| From: Tai | Posted: 4/17/2004 7:08:56 AM | Message Detail |
| Hmm...I'm gonna make a topic based on yesterday's match..right after I update for today's match in the Stats topic. --- Welcome to Sp2CK4, where your opinion does not matter. -Xenobi. |
| From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 4/17/2004 8:07:18 AM | Message Detail |
| Well,
FFVI is meeting my expectations heavily only a percentage (if that)
below what I predicted with 75.31%. Still makes for an interesting
match against LttP. --- The Reaper is always just a step behind me... SPC2k4 : Winner - Chrono Trigger |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/17/2004 8:40:22 AM | Message Detail |
| Good
idea Haste2. I'll do them as I would have if we were still in the
pre-contest period, so don't be surprised if PS is ahead of Contra and
stuff like that. DIVISION 8 1. Super Mario Bros. 3 2. Legend of Zelda 3. Final Fantasy 4. Metroid 5. Tetris 6. Pac-Man 7. Duck Hunt 8. Donkey Kong 9. Pong 10. Metal Gear 11. Phantasy Star 12. Contra 13. River City Ransom 14. Pitfall 15. Galaga 16. Adventure DIVISION 16 1. Chrono Trigger 2. Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past 3. Super Metroid 4. Super Mario World 5. Final Fantasy 6 6. Sonic the Hedgehog 2 7. Street Fighter 2 8. Super Mario RPG 9. Mortal Kombat 10. Earthbound 11. Doom 12. Phantasy Star 4 13. Secret of Mana 14. Shining Force 15. The Simpsons 16. Gunstar Heroes DIVISION 32/64 1. Final Fantasy 7 2. Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3. Metal Gear Solid 4. Super Mario 64 5. Goldeneye 6. Final Fantasy Tactics 7. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night 8. Xenogears 9. Perfect Dark 10. Resident Evil 11. Pokémon Gold/Silver/Crystal 12. Suikoden 2 13. Dance Dance Revolution 14. Fallout 2 15. NiGHTS Into Dreams 16. Panzer Dragoon Saga DIVISION 128 1. Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker 2. Final Fantasy 10 3. Metroid Prime 4. Super Smash Bros. Melee 5. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City 6. Kingdom Hearts 7. Metal Gear Solid 2 8. Final Fantasy Tactics Advance 9. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 10. Halo: Combat Evolved 11. Starcraft 12. Half-Life 13. Fire Emblem 14. Skies of Arcadia 15. Soul Calibur 16. Shenmue --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 011/015 --- Matches: 11/15 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: FF6 |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 4/17/2004 10:44:58 AM | Message Detail |
| Here’s how I would have done the division seeding before the contest started: DIVISION 8 1. Super Mario Bros. 3 2. Legend of Zelda 3. Final Fantasy 4. Tetris 5. Metroid 6. Metal Gear 7. Pac-Man 8. Contra 9. Pong 10. Donkey Kong 11. Duck Hunt 12. Pitfall 13. Phantasy Star 14. Galaga 15. River City Ransom 16. Adventure DIVISION 16 1. Chrono Trigger 2. Final Fantasy 6 3. Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past 4. Super Metroid 5. Super Mario World 6. Sonic the Hedgehog 2 7. Super Mario RPG 8. Street Fighter 2 9. Mortal Kombat 10. Doom 11. Secret of Mana 12. Earthbound 13. Phantasy Star 4 14. The Simpsons 15. Gunstar Heroes 16. Shining Force DIVISION 32/64 1. Final Fantasy 7 2. Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3. Metal Gear Solid 4. Goldeneye 5. Super Mario 64 6. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night 7. Perfect Dark 8. Pokémon Gold/Silver/Crystal 9. Resident Evil 10. Suikoden 2 11. Final Fantasy Tactics 12. Xenogears 13. Dance Dance Revolution 14. Fallout 2 15. Panzer Dragoon Saga 16. NiGHTS Into Dreams DIVISION 128 1. Final Fantasy 10 2. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City 3. Super Smash Bros. Melee 4. Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker 5. Metroid Prime 6. Kingdom Hearts 7. Starcraft 8. Half-Life 9. Halo: Combat Evolved 10. Metal Gear Solid 2 11. Final Fantasy Tactics Advance 12. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 13. Skies of Arcadia 14. Fire Emblem 15. Soul Calibur 16. Shenmue --- Engaged to MWIS 04/07/04 Current Sp2K4 Score: 14/14, Next Winner: Doom |
| From: cyko | Posted: 4/17/2004 11:58:53 AM | Message Detail |
| lol,
i was also thinkning of posting how i thought each game should be
seeded by how strong i feel each game is. i was gonna wait til the end
of the first round, but since a couple of others are, here's mine
without looking at anyone's elses list in detail: 8-Bit Division 1. Super Mario Bros. 3 2. Legend of Zelda 3. Final Fantasy 4. Metroid (underseeded) 5. Tetris 6. Contra (underseeded) 7. Donkey Kong 8. Duck Hunt 9. Metal Gear (underseeded) 10. Pong 11. Pac-Man 12. Phantasy Star (terribly overseeded) 13. River City Ransom 14. Galaga 15. Pitfall 16. Adventure it's kinda amusing how SMB3 will have to take out pretty much the next three strongest games in it's division. 16-Bit Division 1. Chrono Trigger 2. Legend of Zelda:LTTP (underseeded) 3. Final Fantasy 3/6 4. Super Metroid 5. Super Mario World 6. Sonic 2 7. Super Mario RPG 8. Street Fighter 2 9. Mortal Kombat 10. Doom 11. Secret of Mana (underseeded) 12. Earthbound 13. The Simpsons 14. Phantasy Star 4 15. Shining Force 16. Gunstar Heroes (overseeded, but still a great game!!) in my mind, LTTP vs. Gunstar Heroes was basically a 2 or a 3 against a 16 seed. hence the huge blowout. these two divisions are a little tougher to gauge though, since we haven't really seen them in action yet. 32/64 Division 1. Final Fantasy 7 2. Legend of Zelda:OOT 3. Super Mario 64 (underseeded) 4. Metal Gear Solid 5. Final Fantasy Tactics 6. Castlevania: SotN (underseeded) 7. Goldeneye 007 8. Perfect Dark 9. Pokemon G/S/C 10. Xenogears 11. Resident Evil 12. Suikoden 2 13. Dance Dance Revolution 14. Fallout 2 15. Panzer Draggon Saga 16. Nights (overseeded) SM64 vs Nights will be the most lopsided 7 vs 10 match since Sephiroth vs. Gabe Logan (ha!). 128-Bit Division 1. Final Fantasy X 2. Super Smash Bros. Melee 3. Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker 4. Metroid Prime 5. Kingdom Hearts 6. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City 7. Halo (overseeded) 8. Starcraft (underseeded) 9. Metal Gear Solid 2 (underseeded) 10. Star Wars: Knight of the Old Republic 11. Final Fantasy Tactics Advance (overseeded) 12. Fire Emblem 13. Soul Calibur (i have issues with putting SC so low, but noone seems to support fighters.) 14. Half-Life 15. Skies of Arcadia 16. Shenmue this division was all screwy. the 3 vs 14 is in reality a 1 vs 16 beating, while the 1 vs 16 is actually closer to a 7 vs 8 battle. --- Current Score: 16/17 (through FF7 vs Suikoden 2) ?????/????? with ???? other people A WINNER of Trivia 12 |
| From: cyko | Posted: 4/17/2004 12:10:06 PM | Message Detail |
| gonna have to repost it in the next topic, but until then: new entries are now in bold. Top 5 Biggest Blowouts (difference in percentage) 1) 90.40% - Legend of Zelda over Adventure 2) 82.30% - Legend of Zelda : LTTP over Gunstar Heroes 3) 75.28% - Final Fantasy over Pitfall 4) 66.58% - Super Metroid over Phantasy Star 4 5) 64.60% - Super Mario Bros. 3 over Metal Gear* Top 5 Biggest Vote Gaps (difference in votes) 1) 88208 - Legend of Zelda over Adventure 2) 78272 - Legend of Zelda : LTTP over Gunstar Heroes 3) 74682 - Final Fantasy over Pitfall 4) 61229 - Super Mario World over The Simpsons 5) 59648 - Sonic 2 over Shining Force Top 5 Closest Matches (difference in percentage) 1) 0.14% - Donkey Kong over Duck Hunt 2) 12.48% - Super Mario RPG over Street Fighter 2 3) 14.08% - Doom over Earthbound 4) 22.04% - Contra over Phantasy Star 5) 36.02% - Pong over River City Ransom Top 5 Smallest Vote Gaps (difference in votes) 1) 143 - Donkey Kong over Duck Hunt 2) 12076 - Super Mario RPG over Street Fighter 2 3) 12164 - Doom over Earthbound 4) 20080 - Contra over Phantasy Star 5) 26931 - Metroid over Pac-Man Top 5 Most Popular Polls (by vote totals) 1) 99194 - Final Fantasy vs. Pitfall 2) 97580 - Legend of Zelda vs. Adventure 3) 97285 - Super Mario World vs. The Simpsons 4) 97126 - Sonic 2 vs. Shining Force 5) 97031 - Donkey Kong vs. Duck Hunt Top 5 Least Popular Polls (by vote totals) 1) 72743 - Metroid vs. Pac-Man * 2) 74556 - Super Mario Bros. 3 vs. Metal Gear * 3) 84501 - Tetris vs. Galaga 4) 84664 - Super Metroid vs. Phantasy Star 4 5) 84804 - Pong vs. River City Ransom Top 5 Highest Individual Votes 1) 92894 - Legend of Zelda 2) 86938 - Final Fantasy 3) 86690 - Legend of Zelda: LTTP 4) 79257 - Super Mario World 5) 78387 - Sonic 2 Top 5 Lowest Individual Votes 1) 4686 - Adventure 2) 8418 - Gunstar Heroes 3) 12256 - Pitfall 4) 13197 - Metal Gear 5) 14144 - Phantasy Star 4 Top 5 Most Impressive Losers (by votes) 1) 48444 - Duck Hunt 2) 42314 - Street Fighter 2 3) 37127 - Earthbound 4) 35513 - Phantasy Star 5) 27130 - River City Ransom Top 5 Least Impressive Winners (by votes) 1) 48587 - Donkey Kong 2) 49291 - Doom 3) 49837 - Metroid * 4) 54390 - Super Mario RPG 5) 55593 - Contra Top 5 Easiest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner) 1) no data yet, but soon!!! 2) 3) 4) 5) Top 10 Hardest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner) 1) no data yet...... hopefully soon......... 2) 3) 4) 5) * = shared PotD with GameRiot poll --- Current Score: 16/17 (through FF7 vs Suikoden 2) ?????/????? with ???? other people A WINNER of Trivia 12 |
| From: Yesmar | Posted: 4/17/2004 12:21:55 PM | Message Detail |
| Yesmar's Contest Comments: Day 16: 4/17/04 · Final Fantasy VI's percentage has been slipping all morning and if it continues at this rate I'm afraid I'm gonna have to say that it will probably lose to A Link to the Past. · Still, I'm not that surprised that Mortal Kombat is doing as well as it is. Scorpion does perform respectably in the Summer Contests, as undeserving as his Elite Eight spot was. · Even though tomorrow's match is sure to be a huge blowout, I am still very excited for it. It will be our first chance to see one of the potential winners in action. Should be very interesting. --- Heh Heh... The wind... It is blowing...--Ganondorf |
| From: Tai | Posted: 4/17/2004 12:23:33 PM | Message Detail |
| Final Fantasy might be under 70% by the end of the day. I hope i have the 500th post :-) --- Welcome to Sp2CK4, where your opinion does not matter. -Xenobi. |
| From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 4/17/2004 12:25:20 PM | Message Detail |
| I`m already going to say, LttP is in the division finals. --- The Reaper is always just a step behind me... SPC2k4 : Winner - Chrono Trigger |
| From: cyko | Posted: 4/17/2004 12:26:05 PM | Message Detail |
| well, FF6 just had it's first percentage gain in quite a while. it's not quite dead yet!! --- Current Score: 16/17 (through FF7 vs Suikoden 2) ?????/????? with ???? other people A WINNER of Trivia 12 |
| From: Wonderbird | Posted: 4/17/2004 12:26:43 PM | Message Detail |
| ff6 won why bother. --- Vote in the Ultimate NHL team ever survivor. http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=2000212&topic=13510832 |
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