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From: creativename | Posted: 4/3/2004 11:55:24 PM | Message Detail
So this is for the Summer Contest? Cause if it's for the Spring Contest you can add this voting chart (updated on the 15 min periods..) for the first match

Yeah, it's for the Spring Contest as well. I figured there was no need to regist spc2k4.com as well, especially since I'll be using this page for the Summer Contest as well. And thanks a lot for that link! I'll definitely upload that info at some point. Great work by Chucat in that topic.
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From: creativename | Posted: 4/4/2004 12:06:47 AM | Message Detail
Here's a note for anyone who's interested: all the pics for Round 1 are up. In fact, SMB3 vs. Metroid is also up!

http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/spr04b33.jpg

Looks like there will be generation-respective character portraits for the 2nd round. Wonder what CJayC will put for games without single defining characters.
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From: creativename | Posted: 4/4/2004 12:11:41 AM | Message Detail
By the way, it looks like Contra vs. Phantasy Star will lose an hour due to Daylight Savings Time. Shouldn't affect the vote total too much though, since the hour lost is between 5:00am and 6:00am Eastern (2am-3am Pacific) when just about everyone is asleep.
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From: creativename | Posted: 4/4/2004 1:16:37 AM | Message Detail
Yet another post by guess-who. Contra leads Phantasy Star, with 60.18% of the vote and 761 votes in. Looks like this one is over. This will probably be the first match where a significant number of brackets lose their perfection.

Given that we'll see character images in the 2nd round, we might actually see an actual Crono vs. Mario if SMRPG can win. Not really Crono vs. Mario, but it would be Crono's pic vs. Mario's pic, probably. That would be fascinating, even though the result would never be in question.

Ceej'll probably use Title screens for pics in some round. Now I know that pic factor is basically non-existent, but if it did exist, Chrono Trigger would PWN all in that round...mwahaha! <evil grin> That title screen is just awesome. *tick, tock...tick, tock...*

The Legend of Zelda probably has the most recognizable title screen I can think of. SMB3 also has a very famous one with the curtains. Can anyone else think of some really famous title screens?
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From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 4/4/2004 1:17:43 AM | Message Detail
Got that right, the title screen to CT rocks. =)
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SPC2k4 : Winner - Chrono Trigger
From: Haste2 | Posted: 4/4/2004 1:20:54 AM | Message Detail
Well, I hope people now realize that Phantasy Star did NOT have an advantage on name recognition...

Also, it'll be interesting to see how many votes the poll will get now that it's back up in its regular position.

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From: creativename | Posted: 4/4/2004 1:26:52 AM | Message Detail
Yes, indeed it does rock ;) And I was just going to post about the contest poll being in the top position again but you took the words right out of my mouth.

Phantasy Star has clearly crept up on relative popularity to Contra over the years though, probably due to its successful Genesis sequels, and maybe a little bit due to Phantasy Star Online. Back in the day this is a whooping of epic proportions.

I wonder how long it'll take Ceej to put up the Final Fantasy vs. Contra pic up, given he put up the SMB3 vs. Metroid pic up before Metroid's match was even over. He might put this pic up before Final Fantasy vs. Pitfall even starts :P
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From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 4/4/2004 1:29:17 AM | Message Detail
Ha, that`d be great if he did that. Putting up the Final Fantasy vs. Contra pick early. =P
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SPC2k4 : Winner - Chrono Trigger
From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/4/2004 3:43:26 AM | Message Detail
Well, it just seems so wrong to say this, but GameFAQers know their roots.

Can't say I'm surprised, really. I was less sure on this match than on any match last year. Maybe I'll catch up with Duck Hunt... having these two to win really reeked of double standard.

And I should really start updating my sig before I start posting.
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 001/001 --- Matches: 01/01 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: Metroid
From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/4/2004 3:57:23 AM | Message Detail
Just checked at the first round pictures...

...man, DK looks like ass on this one.

I've been meaning to ask this for a long time, but what the hell is on Starcraft box art?

Pong has the most boring pic EVAR.

OMG IT'S LUESHI!!!
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 002/002 --- Matches: 02/02 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: Phantasy Star
From: Ringworm | Posted: 4/4/2004 4:32:28 AM | Message Detail
Actually, Master System was as popular, if not more popular than the NES here in Australia. Apparently it's pretty much the only place it sold well though.
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3/3 - T1. Next: Final Fantasy
From: Starion | Posted: 4/4/2004 4:35:42 AM | Message Detail
I find that surprising. Australia usually gets the shaft when it comes to anything videogame related.
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From: Ringworm | Posted: 4/4/2004 4:39:22 AM | Message Detail
That's true. Games are either released 6 months late, modified or not released at all here. In most cases anyway.
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3/3 - T1. Next: Final Fantasy
From: SlangEdter41 | Posted: 4/4/2004 4:52:03 AM | Message Detail
It's beats me, thats the original Starcraft Box with assumably a Zerg unit, which is a shame because Broodwars has one of the coolest looking boxart with infested Kerrigan looking like a ghost from the movie Ring(original version).
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From: Sir Shake | Posted: 4/4/2004 4:54:13 AM | Message Detail


Contra ensured I'm still perfect. But more then ever, I'm affraid of Duck Hunt.

~_~ C'mon, Donkey Kong..

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From: Ringworm | Posted: 4/4/2004 5:00:40 AM | Message Detail
OK, short and sweet.

Match 2 review:

Metroid won easily, as expected. Slightly larger margin than I thought, but Pac-Man is noted for doing NOTHING in contests. Guess the games a bit repetitive.

Match 4 preview:

Final Fantasy. Yeah, check the top board lists, top FAQ lists on numerous systems, and you'll see this game. It may be other games in the same series, but that series is ****ing HUGE here! Im sure the original is well regarded enough to take it out.

Pitfall was a pretty big Atari and arcade game. 15 years or so ago. It'll get some anti-FF votes, but it has NO HOPE WHATSOEVER!

Won't bother going into more detail, it's just not worth the effort. If anybody here thinks Pitfall has a decent shot at winning the match, prove me wrong.
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3/3 - T1. Next: Final Fantasy
From: Chucat | Posted: 4/4/2004 5:03:03 AM | Message Detail
About the Starcraft box art, the Purple guy is a Protoss unit, not sure who or what, but it's Protoss. The thing on the left is a Zerg Hydralisk, while on the right is a Terran scientist style guy.
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From: SlangEdter41 | Posted: 4/4/2004 5:04:15 AM | Message Detail
Ah, it makes sense now. that must be a Zealot head. Never thought they looked so nasty -_-
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From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 4/4/2004 6:07:43 AM | Message Detail
The original Starcraft, you mean? Yeah, that`s a Zealot.
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From: Starion | Posted: 4/4/2004 6:10:40 AM | Message Detail
Reason? Here it is, Pitfall Castlevania!

http://chez.kek.free.fr/itchana/episode3/index.html
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From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 4/4/2004 6:43:17 AM | Message Detail
So who still has a perfect bracket? I had no idea so many people messed up at least one of the matches by this point.
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From: Starion | Posted: 4/4/2004 6:48:06 AM | Message Detail
If Contra holds up then I have a perfect so far. Are you keeping track of the Contest Discussion Guru list? Maybe someone should keep score there or something.
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From: Tai | Posted: 4/4/2004 6:59:38 AM | Message Detail
Yeah, it's for the Spring Contest as well. I figured there was no need to regist spc2k4.com as well, especially since I'll be using this page for the Summer Contest as well. And thanks a lot for that link! I'll definitely upload that info at some point. Great work by Chucat in that topic.

Well, if the site's for the Spring Contest too, here's the link to the voting chart of the second match:

http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=8&topic=13431102

:-)

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From: cyko | Posted: 4/4/2004 7:05:09 AM | Message Detail
The Legend of Zelda probably has the most recognizable title screen I can think of. SMB3 also has a very famous one with the curtains. Can anyone else think of some really famous title screens?

the original Final Fantasy title screen. it will be especially awesome if CJay uses the image of Black Mage with it. **squee!!** what RPGer doesn't know and love the infamous Black Mage?!

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From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 4/4/2004 8:12:01 AM | Message Detail
second guessing yourself = bad

*cries*
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From: Tai | Posted: 4/4/2004 8:15:06 AM | Message Detail
I actually would have picked the 12 over the 5th seed if I acutally had much time to look at my bracket..I didn't even my entire bracket when I know I did!! :-(
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From: nh82 | Posted: 4/4/2004 8:30:22 AM | Message Detail
Well I've lost my perfect bracket with the Contra victory... even though i've never played PS, but loved Contra I STILL went for PS over Contra due to sheer RPG Factor...

Ooops.

And Ringworm, you're in Australia too? that's pretty exciting, i'm here for six months and loving it utterly. Great country. Keep it up... ;)
From: GoldSlime35 | Posted: 4/4/2004 8:46:59 AM | Message Detail
Well, the goes my perfect bracket. It still beat the first year when I lost match 2, but is terrible compared to last year when I went to match 15 and was one of the final 600 perfects. Oh well. I'd never heard of Contra and I guess I should have listened to the board.

Anyway, I'm glad the poll is back at the top.
From: Phediuk | Posted: 4/4/2004 8:59:12 AM | Message Detail
Match #4 Preview:

For Pitfall to win this, it'll need more up its sleeve than FF anti-vote, FF anti-vote, whoops, out of FF anti-votes, roll over and die.

In other words, FF will eat Pitfall for breakfast. End of analysis.
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From: Who Cares? | Posted: 4/4/2004 9:06:56 AM | Message Detail
I still have a perfect bracket...good thing I changed my pick to Metroid a few days ago! *wipes forehead*
From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/4/2004 9:19:00 AM | Message Detail
Hmwell, looks like franchise voting don't quite have the power I thought it would be.

Could be one more clue leading to the "Nintendomination" theory.
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 002/002 --- Matches: 02/02 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: Phantasy Star
From: Heroic Patootie | Posted: 4/4/2004 9:21:28 AM | Message Detail
Slow, you make it sound like Contra doesn't have any franchise power.
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From: Ngamer64 | Posted: 4/4/2004 9:54:08 AM | Message Detail
I have all the Discussion Guru's brackets uploaded into and Excel sheet, and have already created both % breakdowns for how we're calling each match, and "Expert Odds," which I'm finding interesting to compare against Slow's Board Odds. I just want to touch up a few more things, then I'll put it online... But got to study some homework first, so it'll be a few hours here.

I can tell you who's still perfect, though. Falling out first was...

Metroid over Pac-Man: Yesmar went with Pac.

Contra over Phantasy Star: ChichiriMuyo, torey luvullo, red sox 777, Team Rocket Elite, swirldude, nh82, charmander, DomaDragoon, and FastFalcon went with Phantasy Star.

So ten down, with me and 19 others still standing perfect for the moment.

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From: steve illumina | Posted: 4/4/2004 10:21:05 AM | Message Detail
Well here we go kiddies :) Time for...

Steve Illumina Speaks

Thats right, the infamous yet humorous commentary is back, to go with all the rest of us here in this, the greatest of threads, the most worthy of postings on this fanboy dominated board.

And so it continues, with a blowout...

Match IV

(4)Final Fantasy vs. (13)Pitfall

Steve's Prediction: FF with over 85%
Steve's Bracket: FF
Newbie's Pick: FF
Upset Chances: Nil

Comments: This match is a laugher. We got the RPG that started it all in the eyes of many taking on the golden moment of the Atari 2600.

FF is a juggernaut in this tourney, this website, in countless stores across America and Japan and pretty much everyplace but Nauru. And this is its weakest entry in the tourney, though not the weakest in the series. (See FF5 for that hehe)

Pitfall...well it was fun back in the day...prolly only a few hundred peeps with brackets have honestly played it. A few hundred more know of it.

Probable Results: This is a no brainer. FF shall destroy Pitfall. I say by 85% but higher is very probable and would not surprise me. I still say there is one more match in this bracket, Zelda vs Adventure, that will set the record for blowouts.

Steve's Moments: FF: Beat it with 4 white mages once, Matoya's music still rocks 17 yrs later! Pitfall: Well I really did play it and own it when I was a kid!
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From: steve illumina | Posted: 4/4/2004 10:21:56 AM | Message Detail
Kudos to Contra...it deserves to win, and I should have picked it. Oh well...1 point wont break me.
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From: Yesmar | Posted: 4/4/2004 11:28:32 AM | Message Detail
Metroid over Pac-Man: Yesmar went with Pac.

I don't know if being the first person to lose a perfect bracket should be taken as a good sign or a very very bad sign.

Hopefully, that match will be my only mistake.
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From: Who Cares? | Posted: 4/4/2004 12:27:18 PM | Message Detail
Has anyone noticed the vote totals at the halfway point thus far?!

SMB3/Metal Gear was around 34K
Metroid/PacMan was around 41K
And as of right now this match is at 48K

I don't believe that PS & Contra are more popular combined than the first four games of the contest, so perhaps Sunday might be the day we'll see the biggest vote totals. This is a turnout we're used to seeing from the last contest.
From: Yesmar | Posted: 4/4/2004 1:07:40 PM | Message Detail
Yesmar's Contest Comments: Day 3: 4/4/04

· Well, I'm not really that surprised by today's results. I guess it just goes to show that the franchise voters are really a non-factor unless a match is close, when anything can be a factor IMO.

· Or maybe PSO just wasn't as large a factor as we all thought it would be.

· It will be interesting to find out the Prediction Percentages for these last two matches, and see if the casual voter thought the same way that the board members did.

· On the pictures I don't really have much to say other than Pong has the worst picture, and Super Mario World's is pretty bad also, with the exception of LUEshi. Am I the only one who kind of likes Donkey Kong's pic? It's better than Duck Hunt's is, IMO.

· I really hope that the second round match pics don't alter the results that much, but I'm afraid that they might, since people might try more to vote for the character instead of the game.

· Even though I have a loss behind me from yesterday, today's win by Contra makes me even with some other Discussion Topic members. I hope my luck can stay.
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From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/4/2004 1:44:44 PM | Message Detail
Or maybe it's GameRiot screwing us over.

Okay... now we've seen all sorts of fanboys all over the place. Including, get this, GORDON FREEMAN fanboys. But where the hell are the Square fanboys? If they don't pop up tomorrow, it's as though they won't come, ever.

And HM, Contra has some sort of franchise power. Just, not nearly as much as PS. And ESPECIALLY NOT with that half of the visitors under 18.

FF1/Pitfall preview coming up next.
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 002/002 --- Matches: 02/02 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: Phantasy Star
From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 4/4/2004 1:46:28 PM | Message Detail
By HM you didn`t mean me right? O_o

Oh and I`m awaiting Square`s Final Fantasy to dominate like no tomorrow... err... tomorrow.. >_> Yeah that was dumb.
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From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/4/2004 1:47:39 PM | Message Detail
Wait, just before I start typing it...

This is a turnout we're used to seeing from the last contest.

Actually, weekdays were busier in the first two contests. Especially Mondays in 2002, since every Cloud match fell on a Monday that year, and one of these matches is still #3 of all time in terms of vote count. Take a wild guess which. Also, at some point (that point lasting 24 hours), Cloud's first three matches were #1, #2 and #3 on the chart. Still in 2002, that is.

Okay, NOW I'll start typing.
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 002/002 --- Matches: 02/02 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: Phantasy Star
From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/4/2004 1:48:45 PM | Message Detail
Oops! I saw Heroic, and in this topic it's usually you. Stupid me. Well, I still stand by my point.

NOW I start typing. And there's no holding me back!
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 002/002 --- Matches: 02/02 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: Phantasy Star
From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 4/4/2004 1:52:50 PM | Message Detail
*rips steve's testicles off, shoves them in his mouth, and kicks his jaw shut*

What's that about FF5? *glares*
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From: Who Cares? | Posted: 4/4/2004 2:24:31 PM | Message Detail
Perhaps...we'll get to find out about the Monday turnout tomorrow. Barring a huge slowdown tonight, this match should hit 80K at the very least & tomorrow Final Fantasy is up. I think the matches with FF & LoZ should help flesh out these observations, because if we're only totaling 75K for those two games, then I don't know what else it could be. But if we get similar results like today, then maybe it was GameRiot afterall.
From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/4/2004 2:34:25 PM | Message Detail
*** COMPARISONS GAME - Match #4 - (4) FINAL FANTASY vs. (13) PITFALL ***

Sales

Pitfall... never heard of it before SC2K2, and its protagonist was the running joke of it, at least until a certain 93-7 match came along. Then again, I'd never played CT or any FF before SC2K2, and I knew the latter only because I saw the name somewhere once or twice. Serious.

But enough of this, this isn't about me, this is about the match. Pray tell, did Pitfall sell enough to save a company in imminent and inevitable bankruptcy?

- Advantage FF1.

Franchises

Seriously. This is silly even comparing the two. FF is either the most popular series around here or a very close second to Zelda. Pitfall is rachitic. NEXT!

- Advantage FF1.

GameFAQs Status

Number of FAQs: FF1
Number of reviews: FF1
Average review score: Pitfall
Board activity: FF1

Yes folks, Pitfall rips FF1 a new one in the review score department. Of course, Pitfall doesn't have a seventh installment to judge it by...

- Advantage FF1

Board Odds Project

PICKS (out of 102)
Final Fantasy - 99
Pitfall - 3

POINT VALUE
13. Final Fantasy - 331
49. Pitfall - 5

Yes, someone picked Pitfall to go to round 3. And two others to at least beat FF1. But let it be known that an incredible majority (read: over 90%) have it getting to SMB3, and losing there.

- Advantage FF1.

Summer Contests / Polls of the Day

If we were to believe a PotD that occured no later than last week, FF1 would be the least popular FF, yes, even less than FF2 and FF3 (though I'll bet you most of these were for FF4 and FF6).

FF1 gets lambasted in every single one of these polls. Plain and simple. Meanwhile, Pitfall Harry picked up 18% against Sonic in SC2K2, for what it's worth. If we were to use the same logic I did for Metroid/Pac-Man, Pitfall would absolutely crush FF1. We know it won't happen... but then again, I just can't give this category to FF1, no matter how much it suffered from SFF in that poll. Therefore, I call it...

- TIE.

Intangibles

Franchise vote doesn't seem to affect the less-played games of a given series quite as much as I expected, but Pitfall is a weakling nonetheless and FF1 should get by easily enough. Plus, FF gets something PS doesn't, the "OMG ITS FF *orgasms* *click* *click*" factor. You could as well call it TJF, for all I care. FF is just that popular. Unless the idea of the FF1-6 fanbase not being the same as FF7-10... but then again, come on, it's not LttP, it's not SMB3, it's freakin' Pitfall.

- Advantage FF1.

Conclusion: FF should win this match. It won't be a blowout in the proportions of what we've seen last Friday *note to self: revise Prophet and Oracle picks*, but it should get past Pitfall easily enough. But if it fails to double Pitfall, then Contra vs. FF1 will suddenly become a whole lot more interesting.
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 002/002 --- Matches: 02/02 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: Phantasy Star
From: solarshadow | Posted: 4/4/2004 8:22:57 PM | Message Detail
Thought we might have a new topic for this, seeing as it isn't the pre-season anymore.

Ack, sorry. I absolutely meant to start one at the beginning of the contest, but I completely forgot about it. I've just barely had enough time to deal with the Oracle Challenge. I haven't even had enough time to keep up with this topic (I just happened to catch that comment by chance as I skimmed one page). I'm not sure if I'll be around much until summer, but I'll sure try. Anyway, here's your topic:

http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=8&topic=13464664

:)
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From: Ngamer64 | Posted: 4/4/2004 8:37:22 PM | Message Detail
I'm adding this topic as it now stands to the Archives, so start posting in the new one if you want anyone to see what you have to say after the purge.

Solar, if you could close this one down later tonight, that would be very helpful. (Though I'm sure you're already planning on it.)

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From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 4/5/2004 6:43:20 AM | Message Detail
Bump
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From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/5/2004 6:44:19 AM | Message Detail
Hey, it's no use. The discussion moved.
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SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 002/003 --- Matches: 02/03 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: FF1
From: Tarrot | Posted: 4/5/2004 7:16:08 AM | Message Detail
It won't be a blowout in the proportions of what we've seen last Friday

FF in the lead with 87.5%, higher then Mario over MG. It wasn't in the proportions, it was beyond them.
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