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| From: DomaDragoon | Posted: 4/2/2004 7:12:38 PM | Message Detail |
| It'll
be interesting to see how being shunted off to a secondary position
will affect the polls. It may increase the power of the bracket voters.
What do the rest of you think of this development? --- Smart Ask! National Champion (2003) Chanting Monks www.rpgdl.com |
| From: Z1mZum | Posted: 4/2/2004 7:18:03 PM | Message Detail |
| After
a surprisingly low (thus far) voter turnout for the first match, who
thinks it'll get a little better? Granted, the match poll was down a
little further thanks to the GameRiot poll, but did that really have
that much of an effect? Super Mario Bros. 3 ran the shock and awe
campaign on Metal Gear that we were all expecting. Match 2 Preview--Metroid vs. Pac-Man Alright. A match people might be split on. You have an addicting game in Metroid and a game that could lose its luster fairly quickly in Pac-Man. Everyone knows who Pac-Man is, whether you played the game in the arcade, or got one of the newer editions released, Pac-Man is one of the most recognizeable videogame symbols out there. So why do people think Metroid is going to win? Basically, I think it comes down to gameplay. Pac-Man is great and all, but it could lose its novelty quickly. Metroid is a game where you could speed through the game once but come back to later and play through it finding things you missed the first time. I picked Metroid and plan to vote for Metroid. It'll be a close match, and the icon will give Metroid a run for its money, but I still see Metroid walking away with 63%-66% of the vote. --- Mega Man in the Summer Contest '04? You better believe it! |
| From: Who Cares? | Posted: 4/2/2004 7:22:07 PM | Message Detail |
| I
don't think it has anything to do with the 'secondary position'. The
contest poll has already more than doubled the vote total of the
GameRiot poll. What we have to remember is that this is the spring contest, not summer. So we really shouldn't have expected a turnout like the last summer contest. This match will probably end around the 70K mark which isn't too bad. It's far less that even the worst match of 2K3, yet far better than what we saw in 2K2's first round. I really think we have to watch for the next two matches though, because if we see a different result in voting patterns & turnout for the weekend matches, then some of the outcomes may be decided by what day the match is held. |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/2/2004 7:28:18 PM | Message Detail |
| Indeed. Spring PotDs usually get about 30% less votes than summer and holiday ones. So there can be four reasons... 1) Spring. The most obvious one. See above. 2) It's a week day. In the summer, week days will usually get more votes (no need for Cloud like the 2002 Mondays suggest). School might create the reverse pattern. 3) GameRiot. I can say, it's not getting good publicity at all from the contest fans. Then again, unless your name is KOTOR or Ninja Gaiden, being associated with X-Box usually means insta-death. 4) It's the old games, and the youngins don't care as much. But come on, it's SMB3! Who hasn't played that, even among new-schoolers? Anyway, many perfects, including mine, will be wrecked Sunday if this is a factor. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 000/000 --- Matches: 00/00 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: SMB3 |
| From: SlangEdter41 | Posted: 4/3/2004 12:09:01 AM | Message Detail |
| I
don't think this has been an overwhelming domination by Mario, its just
that Metal Gear doesn't have any support. If Metal Gear can't ride it's
franchize, Phantasy Star has very little hopes to take much better
known and widely played Contra. --- Dusis' bullet will avoid Moran Shetland's body and just pass by it. |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/3/2004 4:35:21 AM | Message Detail |
| Hmwell, 74000 for SMB3/MG... this still beats out SC2K2's most popular round 1 match, Cloud/Fox, by 2000 votes. Ugh... what a slaughter. I'd have predicted this kind of score for SUPER Metroid, not the original! Now all of a sudden, there's a bunch of matches that become really interesting, like Pong/RCR and the two Zelda/Metroid matches. I still doubt RCR can beat out Pong, though. Pong is much closer to Pac-Man's status than RCR is to Metroid, well enough to make up for that gap. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 000/000 --- Matches: 00/00 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: SMB3 |
| From: Ringworm | Posted: 4/3/2004 6:12:08 AM | Message Detail |
| Match 1 Review: SMB3 d MG Easy match to call, SMB3 won deservedly. Metal Gear was only close due to the name factor, which worries me... Match 3 Preview: Phantasy Star v Contra I had no idea about this match when making my bracket. I originally tipped PS due to the fact it had a lower seed, and I thought PSO was reasonably popular. Then I changed. It seemed most people thought Contra was a better game. But most agreed it'd be close. PS is an RPG, and this sure is an RPG friendly site. Contra is a shooting game. Now I'll run by a few factors that might influence it: Name Recognition: Phantasy star is probably the wider known series. Genre: Another tick to PS. Pic: Dunno. Most Master System games had utter crap covers though. I'll give it to Contra System: Contra. Sales: No idea, probably Contra I could look at review scores, and might soon. I'm guessing PS mainly got in due to being on a system with few good games. The name recognition and fact its an RPG may carry it over the line, but for my brackets sake VOTE CONTRA! Bracket says: Contra I'll vote: Contra Anyone else doing this for today? I expected a few more here. --- Betting: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=8&topic=13429525 2/2 - T1. Next: Contra |
| From: red sox 777 | Posted: 4/3/2004 6:17:44 AM | Message Detail |
| Metroid 67.78% 7067 Pac-Man 32.22% 3360 TOTAL VOTES 10427 What non-gaming activities would you most like to see at GameRiot? TOTAL VOTES 3526 It appears that Best. Game. Ever. is now coming close to tripling the GameRiot poll. Further, Pac-Man is having quite a close race with Total Votes in the GameRiot poll. --- Spring Contest 2004 (Best. Game. Ever.): My Score: 1/1 |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/3/2004 6:21:42 AM | Message Detail |
| Remember the Isaac vs. Bonus Poll of the Day thing? That was fun. Now there's speculation that if franchise votes are as important as today shows, LoZ could beat SMB3. Somehow I doubt it'll happen... after all, if this mattered that much, MG would've done much better, wouldn't it? --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 001/001 --- Matches: 01/01 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: Metroid |
| From: Ringworm | Posted: 4/3/2004 6:26:59 AM | Message Detail |
| Metal Gear did better than I expected it to anyway. Reviews for PS/Contra are mixed. There's more for Contra, but it has a lower average score. Personally, I wouldn't waste my time reviewing a game unless I liked it though, so that doesn't mean much. Boards are much the same size - pretty small. About 5/6 topics each. --- Betting: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=8&topic=13429525 2/2 - T1. Next: Contra |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 4/3/2004 7:01:27 AM | Message Detail |
| GameRiot`s
poll doesn`t matter. If it did, it would have FAR more votes. Don`t
fret too much guys; it`s the spring, and believe it or not, people are
actually studying for finals and such. This will pick up quite heavily
come the summer. And yeah, Metroid is killing the mini-raver with ease. Remember that quote from the Nintendo exec about how if video games influenced kids that Pac Man would have people popping little white pills while listening to repetitive music? Um, hello? The quote perfectly described a rave. --- The few, the proud, the TOasted! MIASU! Boards Hunted: 3509 (Arcade - R) |
| From: Phediuk | Posted: 4/3/2004 7:31:38 AM | Message Detail |
| Match #1 Review: Well, there was no question of which game was going to win this match. SMB3 steamrolled over its competitor and convincingly showed us its strength in the contest. The only surprise here was Metal Gear's eyebrow-raisingly poor showing. I expected it to get at least 25%, if not just on name recognition alone...but, I guess this goes to show that the franchise really started with MGS on the PSX. I don't think that MG's awful performance will be a threat to either of the other two MG games in the contest, nor do I think that many people cared about this match (Just look at the relatively low voter turnout). All in all, a meaningless match that provides no foresight into the contest's future whatsoever. --- "Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle." -Toad in Super Mario Bros. |
| From: Yesmar | Posted: 4/3/2004 1:26:17 PM | Message Detail |
| Yesmar's Contest Comments: Day 2: 4/3/04 · I remember saying earlier something like "Mark my words. This match will be close." Well feel free to mock me. · Still, I'm pretty damn shocked that Metroid is winning by this much. I guess Pac-Man really is unappreciated here at GameFAQS. And for anybody who said the novelty of Pac-Man wears off after a while. . . DIE. NOW. · However, I don't think that this is primarily due to franchise voting. If so, then why could Metal Gear not even muster 20%? · For all the people saying PSO will help Phantasy Star win, look at this poll: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/poll/spr04.asp?poll=1569 Only 9.41% of GameFAQS users have played a console MMORPG. Now as far as I can tell from GameFAQS, PSO only came out on PC in Japan. This means that only 9.41% of GameFAQS has actually played PSO, assuming that everybody that's played a Console MMORPG played PSO. I really doubt that this 10% is enough to give Phantasy Star the win. In my mind, without PSO, Phantasy Star is just some quasi-obscure Master System RPG. --- Heh Heh... The wind... It is blowing...--Ganondorf |
| From: cyko | Posted: 4/3/2004 2:20:41 PM | Message Detail |
cyko's Point of View Match Three: (5) Phantasy Star vs. (12) Contra when i first glanced through the bracket, making my initial picks, i saw this one and said, "ah, Contra is the 5 seed against........ Phantasy Star? pffffffftttttt........ this one's easy. *clicks Contra box* upon later inspection, i realized that Phantasy Star was actually the 5 seed and Contra only reached the 12 seed. after thinking about it, that seeding made sense to me. look at all the NES games that Contra had to compete with for nominations: SMB series, Zelda, Final Fantasy, Metroid, Duck Hunt, Metal Gear, RCR, Punch-Out, Dragon Warrior series, Megaman series, Ninja Gaiden series, Castlevania series, Kirby's Adventure, Tecmo Bowl, etc.... that's a whole lot of quality games Contra had to compete with and it still made it into the contest. on the other hand, there's all of those great Sega Master System games that Phantasy Star had to compete with for nominations, like: uh.............. hmmmmmmm........... Zaxxon maybe? Alex Kidd? it's no wonder Phantasy Star got such a high seeding. hardly anyone could think of another Sega Master System game to nominate. in their own era, Contra would've blasted Phantasy Star out of the water. it was owned and played by many more people. since then, Contra has had a pair of high quality sequels (Super C and Contra 3 on SNES). unfortunately for Contra, though, the series last couple of games have been pretty lousy. the series has still gotten a lot of exposure, however, and the original is still widely regarded as at least the second best game in the series. (it's a toss-up between Contra and Contra 3 for best of the series.) Phantasy Star's only hope is the rest of it's series. it picked up a little steam on the Genesis, but the series still remained a cult favorite, far behind it's generation's main competition, Final Fantasy. Phantasy Star Online is much better than any recent Contra game, but as Yesmar pointed out with that poll, not that many people have even played PSO. now, i know that RPG's rule Gamefaqs, even obscure ones, but Phantasy Star is too obscure to pick up enough votes to get past one of the most played games of it's era. fans of the series might be able to pull off a very close upset, but i seriously doubt that the entire series will be able to match Contra. the final reason Contra will win? the infamous Konami code!! say it with me: Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start!! Prediction: Contra with 60-64% My Bracket: Contra Personal Favorite: Contra by a mile and half. the only Phantasy Star game i've played is PS2 and i hated it. Contra, on the other hand, i played all the time with my buddies growing up. honestly, we've even played Contra earlier this year, just for kicks and giggles. and ya know what? it was still pretty darn fun. --- Current Score: 2/2. Tied for 1st place with ????? other users. A Cheese Legend of Trivia 12 |
| From: nifboy | Posted: 4/3/2004 2:48:05 PM | Message Detail |
| You
know what? If this match was on a Monday, Wednesday, or Friday, Pac-man
may not have shown the world what a total loser he is right now. (Think about it, what website loves Pac-man and updates only on those days?) --- "We seek as much data - raw facts, direct experience - as we can, and then we make up our own minds." - J. Moore |
| From: Phediuk | Posted: 4/3/2004 3:02:07 PM | Message Detail |
| Match #3 Preview: Hmm...this one's a toughie. Let's take a look at the competitors. First, Phantasy Star. While I personally played the game in Phantasy Star Collection on the GBA, most players' memories of the game will come from the original Master System version...but see, there's a problem. There was about a 1-to-50 ratio of Master Systems to NESes (NESs? NES's?) back in the day, so very few people own the original Sega console, and even fewer have played its most well-known game. However, the second console RPG ever has one bullet left in the pistol: I'm guessing that most of GameFAQs' userbase has at least heard of the name before, so franchise voters may take PS to the top. In the other corner, you have Contra, which is almost the polar opposite from its opponent. Let's do a bulleted list: -Phantasy Star is a Master System game; Contra is an NES game. -Phantasy Star emphasizes exploration over combat; Contra emphasizes blowing the brains out of your enemies before they can do the same to you. -Phantasy Star was an obscure, little-known game back in the 8-bit era; Contra was one of the most popular games on the NES. -Phantasy Star's name recognition has grown over the years, and hit its peak with the release of PSO for the Dreamcast; Contra's name recognition dwindled after the release of the third game (and subsequent crappy PSX releases.) -Phantasy Star is an RPG; Contra is a shooter. Speaking of RPGs, I don't think that TRPGF will play a big part in this match. As we've seen with the summer character battles, the furthest back into the catalog that the GameFAQs RPG support seems to reach is Chrono Trigger. Beyond that, TRPGF is apparently nonexistent. So, which game do I think will win? Going into the match, I'd say that Contra has a slight edge. But, I guess we'll see soon enough whether that's true, eh? --- "Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle." -Toad in Super Mario Bros. |
| From: Phediuk | Posted: 4/3/2004 3:34:21 PM | Message Detail |
| You
know what? If this match was on a Monday, Wednesday, or Friday, Pac-man
may not have shown the world what a total loser he is right now. (Think about it, what website loves Pac-man and updates only on those days?) I don't think PA's userbase would even make a dent in Metroid's percentage. It's just not that large compared to GameFAQs... --- "Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle." -Toad in Super Mario Bros. |
| From: Tai | Posted: 4/3/2004 3:38:47 PM | Message Detail |
| DIE. NOW. Eat. Me. Pacman. Sucks. :-) Because... --- http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=8&topic=13357402 - Day 43 of my Boot/Immune Contest!!! Please vote in my contest!! |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/3/2004 4:31:55 PM | Message Detail |
| Hmmm.
I thought of something... maybe today's surprise blowout could be due
to the Metroid series being more popular than Samus herself... after
all, I'd have given a barely higher score to SUPER Metroid. And then,
it would be safe to assume it is also the case for other Nintendo
franchises as well, especially Mario and Zelda. Meaning, an
all-Nintendo Final 4 isn't to rule out... SMB3 is already the heavy
favorite in its division, LttP could get the oomph it needs to beat CT,
and OoT and WW could get over FF7 and FF10 in what are currently
thought of as dead-heats. Scary. PS/Contra preview coming soon. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 001/001 --- Matches: 01/01 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: Metroid |
| From: Tai | Posted: 4/3/2004 4:36:50 PM | Message Detail |
| 68.7%
for 45 minutes isn't exactly considered a blowout in my opinion.
Well...maybe for a 8vs9 match (with the 8 winning..). But I still think
Metroid can do better -_-' Well, let me see if the next 15 minutes are up. --- http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=8&topic=13357402 - Day 43 of my Boot/Immune Contest!!! Please vote in my contest!! |
| From: steve illumina | Posted: 4/3/2004 4:55:25 PM | Message Detail |
| (forgot to post it last night...) Well here we go kiddies :) Time for... Steve Illumina Speaks Thats right, the infamous yet humorous commentary is back, to go with all the rest of us here in this, the greatest of threads, the most worthy of postings on this fanboy dominated board. And so it continues, with a battle for respect! Match II (8)Metroid vs. (9)Pac-Man Steve's Prediction: Metroid with over 65% Steve's Bracket: Metroid Newbie's Pick: Pac Man Upset Chances: Slight Comments: The Nintendites will look to continue their winning ways with this solid action platfomer of the 8 Bit (and now again on the GBA) eras...Metroid. It is a good game, a solid game, but nothing at all in the legendary vein of the hallowed yellow one. Poor Pac-Man...he gets no respect on this site. Gamers reared in the days where controllers have more than 6 buttons that are not numbers simply dont have any respect for the character that brought video games mainstream. Ask that question to kids today about what brought games in the mainstream and they will give answers like Final Fantasy or SOCOM. It just aint so, kiddies! Probable Results: Metroid will win, though it is NOT the better game. No real gamer could ever really say that this above average platformer that did everything right in its day but nothing extraordinary is a better game than the classic dot munchin maze puzzler anyone who calls him or herself a gamer has played. Fanboys rule, sadly enough, and the Metroid variety as well as blind Nintendites will lead Metroid to a 2-1 split of the votes. Steve's Moments: Metroid: The secret password that reveals who Samus is. Pac-Man: Once played it for 6 hrs straight in a bar in Philadelphia about 8 years ago. --- Trivia XIII: Diehards Forever...SC2K4: 2/2 Points! "I, Garland, will knock you all down!" |
| From: steve illumina | Posted: 4/3/2004 4:56:09 PM | Message Detail |
| Well here we go kiddies :) Time for... Steve Illumina Speaks Thats right, the infamous yet humorous commentary is back, to go with all the rest of us here in this, the greatest of threads, the most worthy of postings on this fanboy dominated board. And so it continues, with the first real nailbiter! Match III (5)Phantasy Star vs. (12)Contra Steve's Prediction: Phantasy Star with over 55% Steve's Bracket: Phantasy Star Newbie's Pick: Both Upset Chances: Scary Comments: The pride of the Sega Master System takes aim at a very fun Konami NES classic. Phantasy Star is a game that has not held up well over the sands of time. While it did have innovative ideas for its day, if you play it today on the GBA port collection, you will be like...whats the big deal? The big deal is the name carries respect in RPG circles... Contra...I love this game. I love the series. The SNES Contra game is incredibly good. So I have a soft spot for it, as I did Pac-Man yesterday. Probable Results: However soft my heart may be for COntra...I cannot vote for it. I have to vote for who will win, and it will be the first RPG of the tourney bracket. For shame too, cause COntra would have beaten Pac-Man and should have had its spot instead of Metroid in my opinion. Cause Contra is a better game than Metroid. Anyway, I ramble. Close match all day, but it wont go the Red Falcon's way. Steve's Moments: Contra: 30 lives? I only need 3! Phantasy Star: Its just another game I played and beat. --- Trivia XIII: Diehards Forever...SC2K4: 2/2 Points! "I, Garland, will knock you all down!" |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/3/2004 5:04:44 PM | Message Detail |
| *** COMPARISONS GAME - Match #3 - (5) PHANTASY STAR vs. (12) CONTRA *** Sales Once again, no real figures, but from what I heard on the board for this past month, Contra was absolutely huge in its time. PS, on the other hand, was, and has always been, niche. And RPGs weren't very big back then, either. Besides, how could that up-up-down-down or whatever the Konami code is catch on so well? The number of players who played Contra compared to Phantasy Star is the major thing Contra will have to rely on if Konami doesn't want to be 0-2 before Square even steps in for the first time. - Advantage CONTRA. Franchises And here it is. Heck, this is the only thing that will make this match interesting in the first place. You can say Contra has had recent sequels all you want, they never were as popular as the original. PS, however, while starting slow, gradually picked up steam. It never became a big enough player, else this factor would be too overwhelming for Contra to handle, but I shouldn't need to remind you that half of the GameFAQs visitors are under 18. That's that many people who never got to play Contra, or almost. And I bet you that if they haven't played a PS game, they have at least heard of the series, or at least some of them. Whereas the name "Contra" will leave their minds more blank than Crono's entire script. The extent of the name recognition factor is THE one that will decide the match... the RPG factor is just an added bonus. You could consider the rest of this column useless for all I care. - Advantage PHANTASY STAR. GameFAQs Status Number of FAQs - Contra Number of reviews - Contra Average review score - Phantasy Star Board activity - Phantasy Star Oh-kay... an even split. However, there's a simple way to break that. Contra has more FAQs, despite the opponent being a freakin' RPG. Meanwhile, the advantage PS has in the sectors where it beats Contra is really slim. So where does this leave us...? - Advantage CONTRA. Board Odds Project PICKS (out of 102) Contra - 62 Phantasy Star - 40 POINT VALUE 31. Contra - 66 36. Phantasy Star - 42 According to the BOP, this is the fourth hardest match to call in the first round, behind SMRPG/SF2, Earthbound/Doom and Pokémon/Xenogears. And look at the difference in positions in the point values... only three of the six games above slipped inbetween them, and each is tied with another one. These four matches are really in a league of their own, it seems. Nevertheless, Contra has the higher numbers, so... - Advantage CONTRA Summer Contests / Polls of the Day I don't recall seeing either in a PotD, and of course not in a Summer Contest. The only character the side-scrolling shooter genre ever got in was a joke entry anyway. And it better come back this year. For great justice. - UNAVAILABLE. Intangibles Well, the only real intangible is the franchise vote here. Let's throw aside the "Nintendo domination" theory I just threw before writing this article and look at its potential (as opposed to actual impact). If Metroid is really getting such a boost from the franchise vote, PS will probably advance as well. After all, Contra was huge back in the day... but it definitely fell miles below Pac-Man. But it can also not be enough... so why am I according this category to PS? Because Contra has everything to lose. - Advantage PHANTASY STAR. Conclusion: Your guess is as good as mine. Flip a coin, heads Constar, tails Phantasytra, on the side GameRiot. However, a thought is crossing my mind... could Contra be not unlike Suikoden or Secret of Mana in terms of how the board opinion and that of the general public oppose? The difference being that Contra was super-popular at one point and that its opponent is not a CT or a FF7. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 001/001 --- Matches: 01/01 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: Metroid |
| From: Tai | Posted: 4/3/2004 5:05:20 PM | Message Detail |
| Fanboys rule, sadly enough, and the Metroid variety as well as blind Nintendites will lead Metroid to a 2-1 split of the votes. Exactly. Fanboys rule. This is 2004. What we think is better in 2004 is going to win in 2004, not the 80s. Not the 90s. 2004!!!!! --- http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=8&topic=13357402 - Day 43 of my Boot/Immune Contest!!! Please vote in my contest!! |
| From: redline15 | Posted: 4/3/2004 6:17:06 PM | Message Detail |
| tomorrow's match: phantasy star vs. contra who most people here picked: contra actually the board seems pretty split on this one...but contra has a slight edge. the main argument for contra seems to be its system... phantasy star is a bigger series...but most people don't think the game itself is well-known enough to win... who i picked: phantasy star i figured the series and the genre would be enough to pull ps1 through. i could see contra winning...but i would bet on phantasy star...so i did. who i'm picking now: phantasy star today's match shows that a well-known game will do better if its series is still popular today... ...but the first match showed that obscure games can't get by on their series alone. so i have a little less faith in ps1 now...but it is still a #5 seed. ...and an rpg. who i'm rooting for: phantasy star well...both of them annoyed me...but ps1 didn't kill me every five seconds... and besides...without it there would be no ps4... your daily dose of pointless reading courtesy of redline15 |
| From: Tai | Posted: 4/3/2004 6:21:57 PM | Message Detail |
| but the first match showed that obscure games can't get by on their series alone Alone? I disagree..I think Mario had the better series, leaving Snake with NOTHING! for MG! --- http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=8&topic=13357402 - Day 43 of my Boot/Immune Contest!!! Please vote in my contest!! |
| From: redline15 | Posted: 4/3/2004 6:29:51 PM | Message Detail |
| well...i think most people would agree that mario is more popular... but that doesn't mean the metal gear series is obscure. but since metal gear 1 is obscure...its popular series couldn't help it. which was why it lost 82-18 instead of 75-25. phantasy star 1 could fall into the same trap... |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 4/3/2004 6:33:46 PM | Message Detail |
| Honestly,
I`ve stopped caring about the first round tossups. I`d like to have a
perfect first round, of course, but I`d much rather have perfect second
rounds and beyond. Simply put, all of these debates are being made over
a grand total of, what, 4 points? --- The few, the proud, the TOasted! MIASU! Boards Hunted: 3509 (Arcade - R) |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/3/2004 6:34:31 PM | Message Detail |
| Except... it's not exactly taking on SMB3, either. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 001/001 --- Matches: 01/01 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: Metroid |
| From: redline15 | Posted: 4/3/2004 6:40:33 PM | Message Detail |
| heh...can't argue with that... |
| From: torey luvullo | Posted: 4/3/2004 6:43:43 PM | Message Detail |
| i brought it up in the update thread, and now i ask the same question here: is this steady victory by metroid a sign of its own strength? or is it in large part just another sign that pacman has gone "lara croft" around here? |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/3/2004 6:50:49 PM | Message Detail |
| Pac-Man doesn't go down in popularity like that in nine short months when it's been existing for over two decades. The mystery is Metroid's strength, not Pac's weakness. I'm actually seriously considering giving Metroid the nod between it and SMB3 in the "Previous performances" criteria that'll be added in round 2. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Points: 001/001 --- Matches: 01/01 --- Rank: ?????/????? --- Today's pick: Metroid |
| From: cyko | Posted: 4/3/2004 9:49:06 PM | Message Detail |
| Honestly,
I`ve stopped caring about the first round tossups. I`d like to have a
perfect first round, of course, but I`d much rather have perfect second
rounds and beyond. Simply put, all of these debates are being made over
a grand total of, what, 4 points? but, Ultim, that's half the fun. the first round make up 32 matches to dicuss. the rest of the contest is 31 more matches.the matches may not be worth as much, but they are still just as interesting to debate. --- Current Score: 2/2. Tied for 1st place with ????? other users. A Cheese Legend of Trivia 12 |
| From: Tai | Posted: 4/3/2004 9:56:30 PM | Message Detail |
| Pac-Man doesn't go down in popularity like that in nine short months when it's been existing for over two decades. Oh yeah it CAN! If that's really the case, it probably should have won today. But nope, it's 68-32 for Metroid. I'm not saying Pac-Man's popularity HAS come down, but it's not guaranteed to stay high just because it got beat by a stronger game. Especially when he faced Kefka and lost in SC2K3. That was an upset. That was sad. :-) --- http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=8&topic=13357402 - Day 43 of my Boot/Immune Contest!!! Please vote in my contest!! |
| From: Fett0001 | Posted: 4/3/2004 9:59:43 PM | Message Detail |
| Contra is not as unplayed as you might think. I know of several daycares in my region that have working NES's and a copy of contra. I grew up on that game, and if these daycares are any indication, a new generation of kids are growing up on it, too. |
| From: GoldSlime35 | Posted: 4/3/2004 10:02:17 PM | Message Detail |
| 1. I'm surprised this match is such a blowout. 2. Damn is my TB screwed. The first two matches haven't even reached it (80000). |
| From: creativename | Posted: 4/3/2004 10:06:41 PM | Message Detail |
| Ladies (yeah, right) and Gentlemen, introducing... SC2K4.com !! I've put a website at: http://sc2k4.com (or, if you prefer, go to www.sc2k4.com! 'Tis identimacle!) Not much content for now, but I plan to add more as time goes on. I'd like to get some feedback on the site, especially which bracket layout is most attractive: the one for the Spring Contest, the one for SC2K2, or the one for SC2K3. Also, which one has the best votes display format? (that is, which way to display the votes received is most attractive) NOTE: If anyone wants me to host anything, I'd be glad to put it up. Just let me know. --- Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4! SC2K4.com |
| From: Tai | Posted: 4/3/2004 10:26:18 PM | Message Detail |
| So
this is for the Summer Contest? Cause if it's for the Spring Contest
you can add this voting chart (updated on the 15 min periods..) for the
first match http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=8&topic=13414731 --- http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=8&topic=13357402 - Day 43 of my Boot/Immune Contest!!! Please vote in my contest!! |
| From: Haste2 | Posted: 4/3/2004 10:29:43 PM | Message Detail |
| Indeed,
my tiebreaker is screwed, as well. I completely forgot that this is
Spring and that it means fewer voters...though part of the blame is
that the poll is located under the official Poll of the Day. Because of
all this, I have a few comments/speculations... 1. The percent of regular GameFAQs voters will increase - yep...the casual visitors will not notice the poll as much. I think this could cause Nintendo/Squaresoft games to dominate a bit more...urgh. 2. The percentage of bracket voters will increase - obviously the people who created a bracket WILL notice the contest. 40,000/80,000 vs. 40,000/100,000: That's a 25% increase in the proportion of bracket makers, and probably bracket-voters, as well. I do believe that this could cause very close matches (with a spread of 3% or less) could end up with the favorite (but probably only when one of the characters is a massive favorite such as in Mario vs. Crono, or if the spread of the match is a few hundred votes or less) winning because of the bracket-voters. There is fairly good evidence that bracket voters do have an effect: Mario took a fairly large lead against Crono in the Summer 2003 Contest, and it took at least a couple of hours for Crono to take the lead, I believe. I know that the voters could've just been different at that time, but at least it's better for proving than disproving. ;) Oh, and let me remind you that even though some people always vote for their bracket (not many), TONS more do so in a nail-biting match. I just wish there was some way to prevent it from happening. >.< Also, I was a bit surprised by Metroid's margin of win, as well. It reminds me of Spyro vs. Morrigan 2 years ago...Pac-Man seemed like a decent pick, but turns out to be more of a dud than people realize, just like Spyro and Crash. That, and Metroid is winning with 68%, just the same as Morrigan did. :P The prediction percentage could be a bit worse than expected, but maybe not, since at least everyone's heard of Metroid. Hm, and does anybody realize that the 2nd match of all three contests so far has resulted in a victory of 68-point-something percent? o_O --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| From: creativename | Posted: 4/3/2004 10:32:30 PM | Message Detail |
| Metroid vs. Pac-Man: no surprises here, and no post-match analysis necessary. Contra vs. Phantasy: Before reading all the disuccion about this match, I expected Contra to win easily with 70%+ of the vote. However it seems that the match will be closer than that. Still, I don't think Contra will get less than 55%, and honestly I expect it to get 60%. Contra was just leaps and bounds more popular and beloved than Phantasy Star. I just can't see it struggling with Phantasy Star. But, I could be wrong. It's interesting to note that the vote totals for polls 1572 and 1573 (93,361 and 88,873) look like they will be higher than the vote totals for either match so far. At first I did think that the positioning of the contest polls were hurting the vote totals--I actually couldn't find the SMB3 vs. Metal Gear poll! I was using a laptop and it wasn't on the page (since it was "below the fold"), so I got freaked out and it wasn't until I came to the board and saw people discussing it that I realized it was, in fact, there. However, I think that others are right and that the positioning doesn't really make any significant impact. The non-Summer factor probably accounts for the lower vote totals relative to SC2K3. I do wonder how polls 1572 and 1573 got such high vote totals, though. The polls during the last few days of March last year also got very high vote totals (60K-70K, where 45K was the norm otherwise until the Character contest). It'll be interesting to see whether the first match to break 100K occurs in the first round. I'm guessing it will--I think SMRPG vs. SF2 can do it. If not, then I am definitely inclined to believe that the first 2nd round match--Metroid vs. SMB3--can get 100K votes. And if not that, then maybe Super Mario World vs. Sonic 2. ...and if not that, then maybe Chrono Trigger vs. Super Mario World. ...and if nothing does until this point (which seems highly unlikely), then Final Fantasy VII vs. Ocraina of Time should blow past the 100K mark easily. Though I think every match will get getting around 100K+ by that point. --- Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4! SC2K4.com |
| From: Tai | Posted: 4/3/2004 10:34:14 PM | Message Detail |
| They'd also all be 8vs9 matches. Not totally a big surprise all three of their percentages would be pretty close, but all of them at 68%? Well..that is something. O_O' --- http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=8&topic=13357402 - Day 43 of my Boot/Immune Contest!!! Please vote in my contest!! |
| From: Haste2 | Posted: 4/3/2004 10:41:09 PM | Message Detail |
| Okay, nevermind then. Mario led for the first half-hour, not the first couple of hours. Still worth something, perhaps... --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 4/3/2004 10:56:47 PM | Message Detail |
| Yesmar,
as interesting as those stats are... PSO is not an mmorpg. You could
have at most 4 people in game, IIRC, and 4 is rather short of envoking
the word massive. I'm honestly not trying to be a smart ass
about this (though usually I am), but if you play the game you come to
realize it's more like Diablo than Everquest, and it's also playable
offline. These factors considered leads me to believe that no one who
has played PSO would consider it "MM" despite it being online. A nice
attempt, but it is easily disprovable meaning that the match is still
as much of a toss-up as it ever was. PS has the bigger brand name,
Contra was actually the better game (and 1000x more known in its day). Ringworm - Contra probably sold more copies than the Master System, let alone a rather badly made RPG that appeared on it in a country that was a decade away from embracing RPGs. --- Holy schmolly, I want to be aroused by fat women! *tries* Damn it, I can't!! But you said it was my choice! Why can't I not be aroused?!?! *cries* - EvilNcr |
| From: Feanor the Elf | Posted: 4/3/2004 10:57:27 PM | Message Detail |
| How far do you guys have FFX going? --- Proud Member of TLA 2/2 points in Spring 2004 Contest |
| From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 4/3/2004 10:58:47 PM | Message Detail |
| I have FFX going to the Final Four. --- "...one among you...will shortly perish..." - Janus Zeal (Chrono Trigger) SPC2k4 : Winner - Chrono Trigger |
| From: SlangEdter41 | Posted: 4/3/2004 11:00:10 PM | Message Detail |
| At least elite eight, and I think FFX can get by Wind Waker to the final four. --- Dusis' bullet will avoid Moran Shetland's body and just pass by it. |
| From: Phediuk | Posted: 4/3/2004 11:18:27 PM | Message Detail |
| Match #2 Review: Oof. Metroid steamrolls over Pac-Man and moves on to face Super Mario Bros. 3 in Round 2. I personally didn't have any trouble calling this match, but it seems that Metroid's victory has come as a shocking surprise to many of the users on the board. The biggest misconception about this match is that Pac-Man's classic status and worldwide fame would push it over the top against Samus' first game. But see, Pac-Man is old. Really old. We're talking 23 years old. Metroid, isn't a whole lot younger, isn't a whole lot younger (it's been 18 years since its initial release), but its popularity has only grown since 1986; due in no small part to the recent rejuvenation of the series (3 new games in the past 18 months.) What about Pac-Man? What has he or his series contributed to gaming recently? Nothing. You mention Pac-Man, and they think of the original arcade game or the upgraded sequel Ms. Pac-Man, and NOT the most recent game in the series, Pac-Man World 2 (which isn't even that new...it's 2 years old.) Metroid's victory also sets in stone Match #33, where it faces the aforementioned Super Mario Bros. 3. Obviously, SMB3 will win, but by how much? Metroid has the "cool" factor behind it, and SFF will definitely be present...Round 2 in the 8-bit Division may be a bit more exciting than what was previously thought. And with that analysis, good night. I've been sitting at the computer all day... --- "Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle." -Toad in Super Mario Bros. |
| From: GoldSlime35 | Posted: 4/3/2004 11:30:20 PM | Message Detail |
| The
polls during the last few days of March last year also got very high
vote totals (60K-70K, where 45K was the norm otherwise until the
Character contest). Possibly Spring Break. |
| From: creativename | Posted: 4/3/2004 11:39:28 PM | Message Detail |
| ChichiriMuyo: Ringworm - Contra probably sold more copies than the Master System, let alone a rather badly made RPG that appeared on it in a country that was a decade away from embracing RPGs Hell, Cotra probably grossed more than the Master System, accounting for the Master Systems $100 price tag or whatever it was compared to Contra's $50 one. Just about everyone had Contra. Certainly everybody I knew with a NES had it. I'd actually be interested to see the ratio of all Master System video game sales vs. Contra sales. I think the former would indeed come out significantly ahead, but it would still be a rather embarassing comparison. Phediuk: Really old. We're talking 23 years old. Metroid, isn't a whole lot younger, isn't a whole lot younger (it's been 18 years since its initial release), Good point...the age difference between these games does appear to have been thoroughly overstated. For all intents and purposes, they're the same age. It's just that the NES era represents a major break from what came before, especially when it comes to popularity among the Internet demographic. It's pretty amazing how far games came within a few short years though. And the pace hasn't really slowed down since. Man, I love video games :) Metroid has the "cool" factor behind it, and SFF will definitely be present... Eh, I doubt this will be a significant factor. Metroid is not a lightweight, and thus should not be prone to a fanbase that fickle. SMB3 should still get 60%-65% though. If it gets more than that, then that'll probably be due to SFF. And with that analysis, good night. I've been sitting at the computer all day... Nerd. -_- ...j/k :p --- Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4! SC2K4.com |
| From: ShaheerRahman | Posted: 4/3/2004 11:41:02 PM | Message Detail |
| solarshadow i must admit you surpassed a nerd in every way. --- I gallantly stride across the enchanted green meadow followed by the shadow of the crimson moonlight. ~Shaheer Rahman~ |
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