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| From: creativename | Posted: 3/29/2004 2:25:02 PM | Message Detail |
| A
small comment..I have a topic with over 100 posts(more than slow's
bracket count)dedicated to the sonic 2 vs SMW match.more people have
sonic winning..just be warned.. I couldn't find this topic, but board polls are notoriously unreliable. If it's a "who did you pick in you bracket" type poll that might be more reliable, but the consensus still appears to be that Super Mario World is a big favorite there. Shadow got 45% against Mario...Sonic>(by more than 5 percent)Shadow..Sonic>Mario>Shadow so it makes sense Sonic 2>Super Mario World..but i wanna have the same bracket as my boy slowflake....so many choices! We don't really know. According to the 2K2 data, Sonic was stronger. According to the 2K3 data, Mario was stronger. I'm guessing they'd be about even. But of course, Sonic and Mario != Sonic 2 and Super Mario World. Super Mario World was probably a much more popular game. It'd be a pretty fair upset if Sonic 2 was able to win. --- Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4! |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/29/2004 2:59:46 PM | Message Detail |
| Once again, see my theory on Link/Sephiroth. I could hardly buy Sonic being stronger than Mario when he couldn't get past Samus. And shame on Tequilla Gundam for believing the numbers of a Mario match. Had Shadow gone against Crono, he would've been hard-pressed to get 40%. As far as FF6 Shadow goes... I somehow don't think he would do all that well. I mean, he's got "fan-favorite" written all over his bandana. And we know how fan-favorites perform against heroes and villains... see Yoshi, Auron, Magus. (There were no fan-favorites in 2002... that's why it was so compelling to have Magus beating Link.) Oh, and FF10 passed FF8. I think we should wait until the end of the day to draw conclusions. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW Board Odds Project: www.freewebs.com/slowflake/spc2k4.xls |
| From: MyWorldIsStillSquare | Posted: 3/29/2004 3:02:10 PM | Message Detail |
Am I the only one who sees a significant probability for Sonic 2 to upset Super Mario World? I mean, my logic may be totally out of whack, but you're talking about the best Sonic game of all time (and one of the most popular ones, during the height of Sonic's era), against one of least popular Mario games in the contest. Mario already has SMB3, Super Mario 64, and Super Mario RPG in the tourney, and I've heard better things about all three of those games. For some reason, I really call this as Sonic's match to lose. --- Official Supporter of Metal Gear Solid in the SP2K4. First to be slaughtered: Resident Evil |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/29/2004 3:03:39 PM | Message Detail |
| Someone never heard of S3&K, and SMW really is the second favorite Mario game. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW Board Odds Project: www.freewebs.com/slowflake/spc2k4.xls |
| From: MyWorldIsStillSquare | Posted: 3/29/2004 3:05:15 PM | Message Detail |
For the last freakin' time, Sonic 3 and Knuckles is not one individual game. They have a neat little add-on feature, but saying they're one game is like saying Suikoden and Suikoden II are one game just because you can load your Suikoden save data into Suikoden II and get extra features. And Sonic 2 is obviously better than either 3 or K: it got more nominations. --- Official Supporter of Metal Gear Solid in the SP2K4. First to be slaughtered: Resident Evil |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/29/2004 3:06:51 PM | Message Detail |
| But they were intended to. And it shows. S3&K had endlessly more connectivity features than Suiko/Suiko 2, Prime/Fusion, you name 'em you got 'em. It's not only that, it's a real synergy. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW Board Odds Project: www.freewebs.com/slowflake/spc2k4.xls |
| From: MyWorldIsStillSquare | Posted: 3/29/2004 3:08:41 PM | Message Detail |
Whether or not they "were intended to" means jack crud. The bottom line is, Sonic 3 and Sonic and Knuckles were released as two seperate games. Each one came in different packages, during different years, and just happen to include an innovative feature that's rather cute, but nothing to warrant its consideration as a single entity. By your same silly logic, I could argue that Sonic 2 and S+K are one game because if you attach S+K to Sonic 2, you can play a whole new game. --- Official Supporter of Metal Gear Solid in the SP2K4. First to be slaughtered: Resident Evil |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/29/2004 3:10:50 PM | Message Detail |
| Oh, so you can play as Knuckles. Big deal. Now show me something that went to the heights of S3&K in terms of connectivity. Blue Sphere counts, but of course no way it's that popular. (Didn't S3 and S&K come out in the same year, actually?) --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW Board Odds Project: www.freewebs.com/slowflake/spc2k4.xls |
| From: Who Cares? | Posted: 3/29/2004 3:12:31 PM | Message Detail |
| Actually Slowflake is right. From what I've heard, Sonic 3&K is the TRUE version of Sonic 3 as released in Japan, but for whatever reason, Sega of America decided to do this lock-on technology with the two games. |
| From: MyWorldIsStillSquare | Posted: 3/29/2004 3:13:48 PM | Message Detail |
There was around a one year seperation between the release dates. Hey, guess what? Half-Life has something awfully similar. So does Civilization III. It's called an expansion pack when it get it for PC. But the bottom line is, I couldn't nominate Civilization III with the Conquests Expansion. It's just not a game. It's not a single entity. And that's for games with expansion packs designed for them. S+K, despite its connectivity with Sonic 3, was sold as an original game. Just ask me: I owned S+K and did not own Sonic 3 until nearly eight months after the fact. --- Official Supporter of Metal Gear Solid in the SP2K4. First to be slaughtered: Resident Evil |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/29/2004 3:14:36 PM | Message Detail |
| Not quite that actually... it was the same in Japan. Only the first few zones were ready, so instead of pulling a Blizzard/Bungie/whatever, they released half the game, threw in a save feature, then really took their time to make S&K fully compatible as for the saves, Super Emeralds, Hyper forms/Super Tails and stuff. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW Board Odds Project: www.freewebs.com/slowflake/spc2k4.xls |
| From: MyWorldIsStillSquare | Posted: 3/29/2004 3:15:10 PM | Message Detail |
Maybe, but this isn't Japan, who cares. The fact that it may have been released as a single game anywhere else doesn't really matter: Sonic 3 and Sonic + Knuckles are two different games where the tournament is being sponsored and that's why S3+K isn't in the bracket and Sonic 2 is. --- Official Supporter of Metal Gear Solid in the SP2K4. First to be slaughtered: Resident Evil |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/29/2004 3:17:10 PM | Message Detail |
| Then pray tell, why is Counter-Strike in the Gamespot contest? --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW Board Odds Project: www.freewebs.com/slowflake/spc2k4.xls |
| From: Who Cares? | Posted: 3/29/2004 3:24:01 PM | Message Detail |
| Okay, thanks Slow. I've only heard about such information from here and there so I didn't know how concrete it actually was. And I know this isn't Japan, I was pointing out how that's how the game it was intended to be & not simply an expansion pack as you seem to be putting it as. |
| From: Tequilla Gundam | Posted: 3/29/2004 3:24:19 PM | Message Detail |
| Slow..you said it yourself man Sonic the Hedgehog 2 FAQs are more than Sonic and Knuckles and Sonic and Knuckles 3 FAQs COMBINED!...SH2 got more nominations than S&K3 ok..its common sense... Shadow got 45% against Mario<fact> Sonic is stronger than Mario<fact> Samus=Sonic<fact>(too much cheating to determine real winner. "I doubt Shadow could get 40% of the vote against Crono<opinion> SMW is the Weakest Mario game in this contest<fact> From all these conclusions you can lead to the deduction that SH2>SMW....but I guess ill stick to SMW on my bracket so I can have the same bracket as my dog, SLOWFLAKE! --- Kanye West |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/29/2004 3:26:31 PM | Message Detail |
| Stop it, I hate suck-ups. Besides, Mario and Master Chief are known to be two characters that will have closer matches than usual with anyone. And since Mario's 50 seems to be Crono's 50, then since Crono would beat Sonic in a poll, Mario > Sonic. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW Board Odds Project: www.freewebs.com/slowflake/spc2k4.xls |
| From: The Foolish Ninja | Posted: 3/29/2004 3:27:47 PM | Message Detail |
| Then pray tell, why is Counter-Strike in the Gamespot contest? This doesn't have anything to do with the debate going on, but Gamespot's holding a similar contest? |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/29/2004 3:28:27 PM | Message Detail |
| Sonic the Hedgehog 2 FAQs are more than Sonic and Knuckles and Sonic and Knuckles 3 FAQs COMBINED!... Now, would you please discover that rolling paper isn't the only type of paper out there. I see more FAQs for S&K ALONE than for S2. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW Board Odds Project: www.freewebs.com/slowflake/spc2k4.xls |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/29/2004 3:29:20 PM | Message Detail |
| Gamespy, dammit! Always mixing these two and Gamestop up, it seems. And I've seen such mistakes before. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW Board Odds Project: www.freewebs.com/slowflake/spc2k4.xls |
| From: Tequilla Gundam | Posted: 3/29/2004 3:30:16 PM | Message Detail |
| my bad slow..I meant just Sonic 3...slowflake..you saying Crono could beat Sonic is OPINION..not FACT! --- Kanye West |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/29/2004 3:31:56 PM | Message Detail |
| No.
2003 numbers say so, and by deflating Sephiroth's score against Link so
the West falls more in line with 2003, 2002 numbers say so too. Crono is second tier, Sonic is third tier. It's the sad truth. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW Board Odds Project: www.freewebs.com/slowflake/spc2k4.xls |
| From: Tequilla Gundam | Posted: 3/29/2004 3:33:29 PM | Message Detail |
| Look Shadow got 45% against Mario...Sonic>Shadow by more than 5%..Sonic>Mario..simple as that! --- Kanye West |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/29/2004 3:34:46 PM | Message Detail |
| But
Shadow got the Mario anti-votes... are you blind or what? Him and
Master Chief will always have wrong math involved in their wins. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW Board Odds Project: www.freewebs.com/slowflake/spc2k4.xls |
| From: DomaDragoon | Posted: 3/29/2004 3:38:17 PM | Message Detail |
| The bottom line is, Sonic 3 and Sonic and Knuckles were released as two seperate games. The copy of Sonic and Knuckles Collection I have in my hand right now says different. </nitpick> As far as Sonic 2 vs. SMW, I do think that people are underestimating Sonic 2's potential. SMW should still win, but it'll be close. Kind of fitting, considering the matchup. --- Smart Ask! National Champion (2003) Chanting Monks www.rpgdl.com |
| From: Sir Shake | Posted: 3/29/2004 3:38:21 PM | Message Detail |
| From: Tequilla Gundam | Posted: 3/29/2004 2:33:29 PM | Message Detail Look Shadow got 45% against Mario...Sonic>Shadow by more than 5%..Sonic>Mario..simple as that! There is no person in this topic more wrong then you. --- My life is like Super Mario Bros ; no matter how much I pursue the girl, she ends up in another castle. ~ dj kornphlake |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/29/2004 3:41:56 PM | Message Detail |
| Here, I'll even make some humiliating proof to teach him that looking behind the numbers is very important. 2002 numbers suggest that Servbot would beat DK 60-40. Seeing how DK would get 33% against Megaman, Servbot would get 42%. Now, since Megaman and Samus performed identically last year, Servbot would get 42% against Samus too. Squall got 42% against Samus. Conclusion: SERVBOT = SQUALL Flawed, huh? --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW Board Odds Project: www.freewebs.com/slowflake/spc2k4.xls |
| From: Tequilla Gundam | Posted: 3/29/2004 3:42:50 PM | Message Detail |
| Just be looking at your username...I can tell you are not well-respected.. --- Kanye West |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/29/2004 3:44:06 PM | Message Detail |
| Who? Shake? He's not respected... at the PotD board. But here he's some sort of god. Or me? Well, seeing how I won the latest user tournament... --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW Board Odds Project: www.freewebs.com/slowflake/spc2k4.xls |
| From: DomaDragoon | Posted: 3/29/2004 3:45:05 PM | Message Detail |
| You never know. If you gave a Servbot a scar and a leather jacket, could anyone really tell the difference? <_< --- Smart Ask! National Champion (2003) Chanting Monks www.rpgdl.com |
| From: Tequilla Gundam | Posted: 3/29/2004 3:47:40 PM | Message Detail |
| wow..slowfake..that post just mad eme 10 times stupidier..delete it now..THAT MADE NO SENSE! --- Kanye West |
| From: Tequilla Gundam | Posted: 3/29/2004 3:49:05 PM | Message Detail |
| Popular=/=well-Respected.. Slowflake..that has to be the stupidest thing I have ever seen come out your mouth..lol..My logic=flawed...haahahahahahahhahahaa. It doesn't matter me and slow are getting EB games..w00t! --- Kanye West |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/29/2004 3:51:06 PM | Message Detail |
| Since when is respect NOT a sign of popularity? And I can't get EB games, because I'm from Canada, and apparently because I've got WW to the Final 4. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW Board Odds Project: www.freewebs.com/slowflake/spc2k4.xls |
| From: ShookUpTheWorId | Posted: 3/29/2004 3:54:46 PM | Message Detail |
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| From: Tequilla Gundam | Posted: 3/29/2004 4:07:46 PM | Message Detail |
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| From: Ringworm | Posted: 3/29/2004 4:30:56 PM | Message Detail |
| I
couldn't see Sonic beating Crono. I think Mario has a better record
than Sonic in character contests, and Mario=Crono. I'd vote for Sonic
though. As for S2 v SMW, I have Sonic 2 winning. It's the sole representative of a popular series, SMW has the LUEshi factor going for it though. Not sure if that's a help or not... --- Everyone that says ''There's no such thing as a stupid question'', has obviously never visited this board. SpC2K3 Betting: Board 8, Topic 13293001 |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/29/2004 4:35:45 PM | Message Detail |
| Problem is, being the only rep is a non-factor. Your average Joe won't go OMG IT'S TEH ONLY REP, MUST SAVE frenzy. And LUEshi isn't much more than an inside joke. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW Board Odds Project: www.freewebs.com/slowflake/spc2k4.xls |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 3/29/2004 4:47:39 PM | Message Detail |
| Slowflake: The problem is... there's no fixed hero in FF6. So I could buy Kefka being the strongest FF6 rep. Frightening. Yeah, I could buy Kefka being the strongest FFVI rep, too, but all that says is that support is divided among the playable characters. It doesn’t mean Kefka himself is a good representative of his game’s popularity. He isn’t. Slowflake: As far as SSBM/FF10 goes, I didn't say I would give it a second thought. But others could and will. I assumed that was what you meant…I was just pointing out that those that do so are taking the poll results to be more important than they actually are. nifboy: See: Starcraft on N64. Um, do you own an Xbox? Morrowind is one of the definitive titles for it. Starcraft was never a definitive N64 title. creativename: This poll is going to get like 60K-75K votes...I'd hardly call that "hardcore support". The so-called "casual fanbase" are the ones that are voting--or at least, the same exact fanbase as will be voting in the contest--and clearly Final Fantasy X isn't nearly as strong as VII. However, it is definitely strong enough to win its division. The 128 division is just *that* weak. Yes, this poll does show the “hardcore” support base in that X% of GameFAQs considers Y Final Fantasy game to be the best of the bunch and, presumably, they would vote for it against any other Final Fantasy game. That is not to say that they will not vote for their 2nd or 3rd favorite FF game, only that they are not as avid about them. Tequilla Gundam: Look Shadow got 45% against Mario...Sonic>Shadow by more than 5%..Sonic>Mario..simple as that! Mario ~ = Crono Crono > Sonic Simple as that! The elusive Mario. That damn plumber is impossible to pin down. He performs like a high-level third-tier against someone like Shadow and then becomes the best of the second-tiers (maybe even a low first-tier) again against Crono. Does anyone know how Mario actually did against Sephy last year, btw? CJay seems to be trying to delude himself into thinking Mario tied Sephiroth…suuure, of course it’s a typo… Slowflake: And I can't get EB games, because I'm from Canada Huh? There’s an EB about five minutes walk from where I live… --- "Your fate is sealed, and none but yours." -- Auron Proud Supporter of Starcraft in the Spring 2004 Contest |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/29/2004 4:53:19 PM | Message Detail |
| It's not that, it's the fact that I can't win the contest prize. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW Board Odds Project: www.freewebs.com/slowflake/spc2k4.xls |
| From: Mild Guy | Posted: 3/29/2004 5:07:04 PM | Message Detail |
| Good
point about SMW vs Sonic 2, Slowflake. I picture most voters voting on
whatever first impulse shambles through their distracted minds. Then
they see the results and either shrug in confused disdain, or say "good
to see <blank> winning." Then they go about their business and
fail to encode the experience into their long term memory. Where as people like us enjoy thinking long and hard about seedings and match results and what have you. We want to win, or at least go down fighting. I think that's a problem, perhaps we're losing our focus on the larger issues at hand. With only a couple of days left to change my bracket, a thought turns around in my mind like a dead clown rolling downhill: What are we not thinking of? What "obvious to everyone else" voting trend are we failing to see or account for? What hidden influences lay in wait, ready to cast many a well planned bracket to the hell hounds? --- Death to the Alliance! |
| From: Tequilla Gundam | Posted: 3/29/2004 5:12:21 PM | Message Detail |
| heh..Mario performs like a high third tier character agaisnt Sonic characters Mario performs like a loe 1st tier character against big name characters.. Therefore..Sonic>Mario since he performs like a high third tier against sonic charcters....MMKAY --- Kanye West |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/29/2004 5:26:05 PM | Message Detail |
| Let yourself be pwned. Or maybe not, since we have the same bracket. Being a Sonic character has nothing to do with Shadow getting 45%. It's because Shadow is, like, about 20th or something... --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW Board Odds Project: www.freewebs.com/slowflake/spc2k4.xls |
| From: Mild Guy | Posted: 3/29/2004 5:35:04 PM | Message Detail |
| [This message was deleted at the request of the original poster] |
| From: creativename | Posted: 3/29/2004 5:46:55 PM | Message Detail |
| Wow, activity in this topic has really been picking up. Too bad that Level of Topic Activity and Quantity of Flame Wars appear to be highly correlated... :( Slowflake: But [...Shadow and Master Chief...] will always have wrong math involved in their wins. Actually, going by 2K3 numbers, Servbot=Max Payne=Bomerbman. Which makes sense...so it's very possible that the "Servbot overperforming against Mario due to anti-Mario votes" factor is overrated. Also, since we have no idea how Felix would do against anyone else, we don't know if "anti-Master Chief votes leading to closer to 50% performance" had anything to do with that match. It's logical to suspect that Mario and Master Chief tend to do not have as "extreme" performances due to a stable base of anti-votes, but the evidence doesn't say much about the former, and there is no evidence at all regarding the latter. I could definitely see Shadow getting 45% against Crono. There's no evidence to think otherwise. since Crono would beat Sonic in a poll, Mario > Sonic. Eh?? How the hell do you get this? He's the same as Mario: in 2002, he did much worse than Sonic; in 2003 he did significantly better. There is absolutely no way to call a match between these two. You said this earlier: Once again, see my theory on Link/Sephiroth. I could hardly buy Sonic being stronger than Mario when he couldn't get past Samus. Firstly, your theory has limited evidence in favor of it; I worked out the average changes and then weighted them by average strength across both years, divided by the average of both years' Link ratios (e.g., Aeris: she had a Link Ratio of .409 in 2K2, and .482 in 2K3, which averages out to .446; the average Link ratio across years was .299; so her weighted change was (.482-.409)*.446/.229=.11). So even though Gordon Freeman improved by 116%, he only counts as 4.1% here. Not counting Cloud, the averages were: 2002 North Division Repeats: 4.06% East Division: 4.06% West Division: -2.9% South Division: -3.2% There's some differences there, but hardly convincing stuff, easily within the realm of randomness. Secondly, Samus still finished basically equal with Mario and Crono in 2K3, and if Sonic=Samus still applies (which it might, due to variances in the extreme Cloud vs. Sonic result), then Mario vs. Sonic is also completely up in the air. Calling Samus vs. Crono and Samus vs. Mario would also be very difficult; Samus has finished ahead of, or virtually identical to, both Mario and Crono both years. You simply can't say that Samus or Sonic vs. Mario or Crono is in any way obvious. Ringworm: SMW has the LUEshi factor going for it though. Not sure if that's a help or not... Hah! Yeah, right. If that was the case CATS would've PWNed everybody. LUEshi has got nothing on CATS. smitelf: [how is that pronounced, by the way? "smite-elf" as in "I shall smite you", or "smit-elf" as in "He was smitten with her"?] It doesn’t mean Kefka himself is a good representative of his game’s popularity. He isn’t. Most likely. I don't think anyone would be crazy enough to say that Pac-Man would get anything remotely close to 50% against Final Fantasy VI. He performs like a high-level third-tier against someone like Shadow and then becomes the best of the second-tiers (maybe even a low first-tier) again against Crono You seem to be greatly underrating Shadow. Does anyone know how Mario actually did against Sephy last year, btw? CJay seems to be trying to delude himself into thinking Mario tied Sephiroth…suuure, of course it’s a typo… WTF??? That's still not corrected? (he got 47,458 votes against Sephiroth BTW) Mild Guy: I think that's a problem, perhaps we're losing our focus on the larger issues at hand. It's actually a case of a lot of people not having experience with analysis, and overweighting the importance of factors that are completely meaningless. --- Remember to nominate Frog for Summer Contest 2K4! |
| From: creativename | Posted: 3/29/2004 9:17:23 PM | Message Detail |
| OK, this couldn't possibly be more off-topic, but... (WWE Raw SPOILERS) Shelton Mother****ing Benjamin!!!?~~oneone~!~111~! Holy crap! *Marks out like crazy* Wow. This company looks like it has finally got its head on straight. I can't believe what I just saw. That was terrific. --- Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4! |
| From: Ngamer64 | Posted: 3/29/2004 9:53:24 PM | Message Detail |
| Thanks
for posting that Alexa traffic info, creative, that was definitely
worth a look. Yeah, it pretty much seems to bear out my thinking... the
only question would be whether that data is taking into account the
site's entire traffic, or just main page hits. Because if it's just the
later, then yes, it would make alot of sense for traffic to be driven
up by fans spreading the word to get votes in a particular matchup.
But, in any case, I believe I remember even CJay himself mentioning how
traffic went way up during the summer, though I forget what the context
was now... Might have been that one radio interview he did a few years
back. Man, do I ever wish I had saved that transcript, there was some
really neat info in there. But getting back to this Guru Bracket Challenge, if I may. Ulti! I have an idea for a quick addition to the post that's coming up. I think it would be cool if, along with the picks and the tiebreaker (and maybe boldly remind everyone to include that, because I think we're going to have alot of similar predictions), we could tag a bonus question on the bottom, just for fun. Cause since we're going to log this right away, I'd like to be able to keep track of answers to the question "Which of these matchups did you have to go against your gut in order to make?" Because after every tough loss, it seems you always hear the "experts" going, "Oh, I knew that one right from the start! I have no idea why I changed it." Which has always pretty much seemed like a cop-out to me... I mean, I'd say that all of us go back and forth on like 90% of the harder matches. If you actually had a gut feeling on something, then I'd like to see it in writing, well before the hindsight. --- the-elite.net Ngamer's Contest Archives: http://geocities.com/cyber1166/gamefaqs |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 3/29/2004 9:54:13 PM | Message Detail |
| Slowflake: It's not that, it's the fact that I can't win the contest prize. Ah. Yeah, that’s crap. I, too, feel the pain. creativename: how is that pronounced, by the way? It’s “smite-elf” You seem to be greatly underrating Shadow. You think the same guy that gets 55% against a high third-tier character like Shadow should get 50% of the vote against Crono? Hell, even assuming Shadow’s popularity is approximately that of Sonic (and I’m no expert on the series but I don’t see how he could be much higher) that means that Mario would get his ass handed to him by Cloud, who beat Sonic by 66%. --- "Your fate is sealed, and none but yours." -- Auron Proud Supporter of Starcraft in the Spring 2004 Contest |
| From: creativename | Posted: 3/29/2004 11:26:02 PM | Message Detail |
| You think the same guy that gets 55% against a high third-tier character like Shadow should get 50% of the vote against Crono? You speak as if this shouldn't be taken for granted. You have to provide evidence for it to be the other way. Your null hypothesis would clearly be that Shadow would get the same against Crono as Mario did. The whole "Mario does not have extreme performances due to anti-votes" thing doesn't really seem to apply to Shadow. Shadow's already shown himself to be a force; he was right on the level of Tidus and Zero. If by "High Third tier", you mean that the first tier is Cloud, Link and Sephiroth, then the 2nd and 3rd tiers aren't very different at all. And the whole Mario closes-to-the-mean performance thing is pretty iffy anyway. I'm not saying it's definitely another one of those Contest Myths™ ala Revenge votes and Rally votes, but it's a good candidate for it. that means that Mario would get his ass handed to him by Cloud, who beat Sonic by 66%. Um...yeah, duh? I think I'm misunderstanding you here, because you seem to be saying that Mario wouldn't get his ass handed to him by Cloud...? Obviously in 2K3 Cloud would've PWNed Mario even worse than Sephiroth did. Most likely Mario would do slightly worse than how he did against Link in 2K2. Sonic's performance was just slightly below where you'd expect Mario's to be, and is given the loss of accuracy when you wander into PWNage territory, you can't say that with any confidence at all that Mario and Sonic are on different levels. --- Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4! |
| From: Starion | Posted: 3/29/2004 11:32:12 PM | Message Detail |
| I'm
a bit lost here. Can you explain why Tidus is in the same tier as Zero
and Shadow? I don't really have any evidence as to why I think this way
but I would have placed him one tier lower. --- This space is reserved. |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/30/2004 5:34:40 AM | Message Detail |
| First
off, I don't think we have the same definition of third tier here. I
have Snake, Sonic, Magus and Ganondorf here, and Tidus, Zero and Aeris
in the fourth. Shadow's behind all of them. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW Board Odds Project: www.freewebs.com/slowflake/spc2k4.xls |
| From: nh82 | Posted: 3/30/2004 6:32:54 AM | Message Detail |
| O... K.... I was waiting for the "Best Zelda ever?" PotD (or a similarly teasing poll anyway!)... have to confess that "GameRiot, powered by XBox" was REALLY not what I was expecting! XBoxes on GameFAQS... whatever next? (what the hell is the plural of XBox btw?? "Xboxs, Xbox's, XBoxes" - none of them look right!) |
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