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| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/25/2004 5:51:43 PM | Message Detail |
| In
other news, I've started thinking about snubs I should include in the
pseudo-SpC2K5 bracket I'll make when the contest ends. 'Course, I'm
dropping the whole one game/series/division thing, since I'm going to
mix all the eras up, and that would be the best thing for CJayC to do
if we don't want to end up with the same matches every year. I'm thinking of putting these: Super Mario Bros. Sonic 3 & Knuckles Sonic Adventure 2 Megaman 2 Megaman X StarFox 64 Kirby Superstar Final Fantasy 8 Soul Calibur 2 Donkey Kong Country 2 Ninja Gaiden Diablo 2 Xenosaga Granted, a lot of these will likely come off as low seeders, but hey, jobbers are expendable, no? Might as well put some with recognition... Any ideas for games I might add? --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW Board Odds Project: www.freewebs.com/slowflake/spc2k4.xls |
| From: Who Cares? | Posted: 3/25/2004 6:00:15 PM | Message Detail |
| One more fighter I'd add would be Marvel vs Capcom 2. Love it or hate it, it is the biggest fighting game in the past 3-4 years. Maybe one of the Mario Kart games as well...but then again, probably don't want to overload the contest with Mario games. |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/25/2004 6:02:03 PM | Message Detail |
| Good idea. I toyed with the idea of having Mario Kart make it, but then there's more than enough Mario and Nintendo as it is. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW Board Odds Project: www.freewebs.com/slowflake/spc2k4.xls |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 3/25/2004 6:13:23 PM | Message Detail |
| Lunar --- Holy schmolly, I want to be aroused by fat women! *tries* Damn it, I can't!! But you said it was my choice! Why can't I not be aroused?!?! *cries* - EvilNcr |
| From: DomaDragoon | Posted: 3/25/2004 6:16:51 PM | Message Detail |
| Slow, here are some titles for your consideration: -Mike Tyson's Punch-Out! -Deus Ex -Dragon Warrior -Double Dragon -Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter -Final Fantasy VIII -Tecmo Bowl -Karateka -NBA Jam --- RPGP/RPGDL Contributor "DragoonJay"; Smart Ask! National Champion (2003) Chanting Monks www.rpgdl.com |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/25/2004 6:18:33 PM | Message Detail |
| Oops, I intended to put Punch-Out in there. My bad. FF8 was already in, too. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW Board Odds Project: www.freewebs.com/slowflake/spc2k4.xls |
| From: Starion | Posted: 3/25/2004 6:34:31 PM | Message Detail |
| Some more suggestions: Disgaea (niche) Dark Cloud 2 (decent popularity) Prince of Persia: Sands of Time (fantastic reviews) Actraiser (classic) Silent Hill 2 Ghouls and Goblins Castlevania:Circle of the Moon or Aria of Sorrow (GBA rep) Golden Sun (why not?) ANIMAL CROSSING --- Spring Contest 2004 - ????? VS. ????? Points - 0/192 |
| From: swirldude | Posted: 3/25/2004 6:36:12 PM | Message Detail |
| ANIMAL CROSSING I second the nomination, and I want it against FF7 in the first round. --- And the no. 1 reason why Magus > Ansem.......Ansem bought an N-Gage, didn't he! FATALITY. O_O ~Cromage |
| From: Starion | Posted: 3/25/2004 6:39:23 PM | Message Detail |
| I also forgot Sims Everquest Harverst Moon Big Rigs and Superman 64 for your joke nominee. --- Spring Contest 2004 - ????? VS. ????? Points - 0/192 |
| From: Bananaquest | Posted: 3/25/2004 7:35:32 PM | Message Detail |
| Great
stuff, people. I've been absent from this board ever since last year's
summer contest ended, and now that CJayC decided to hold a major
contest -- three months earlier than I thought -- I figured that now is
the right time for me to return to this board. My bracket (in graphical format) can be found at: http://www.freewebs.com/bananaquest FIRST ROUND (winners in bold) Super Mario Bros. 3 vs. Metal Gear Metroid vs. Pac-Man Phantasy Star vs. Contra ~ Tough choice. Contra appeared on a more popular console (the NES) and has better name-recognition. Final Fantasy vs. Pitfall Donkey Kong vs. Duck Hunt ~ Gotta go with Mario's first game. The Legend of Zelda vs. Adventure Pong vs. River City Ransom ~ Nostalgia will help put Pong on top. Tetris vs. Galaga Chrono Trigger vs. Secret of Mana Super Mario RPG vs. Street Fighter II ~ Tough choice! I flip-flopped on this one three times! Sonic the Hedgehog 2 vs. Shining Force Super Mario World vs. The Simpsons The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past vs. Gunstar Heroes Super Metroid vs. Phantasy Star IV Earthbound vs. Doom ~ Tough choice. Doom will likely advance due to better name recognition. Final Fantasy VI vs. Mortal Kombat Final Fantasy VII vs. Suikoden II Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal vs. Xenogears ~ A close one here. Xenosaga helped me tip the scales in Xenogears' favor. Final Fantasy Tactics vs. Dance Dance Revolution Metal Gear Solid vs. Resident Evil Perfect Dark vs. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night Goldeneye vs. Panzer Dragoon Saga Super Mario 64 vs. NiGHTS into dreams... The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time vs. Fallout 2 Halo vs. Starcraft ~ Misleading seeding for both of them, but Halo will take it in a close one. Soul Calibur vs. Kingdom Hearts The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker vs. Skies of Arcadia Metroid Prime vs. Half-Life Final Fantasy Tactics Advance vs. Fire Emblem Final Fantasy X vs. Shenmue Grand Theft Auto: Vice City vs. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic Super Smash Bros. Melee vs. Metal Gear Solid 2 From this point, I'll just list the winners. SECOND ROUND Super Mario Bros. 3 Final Fantasy The Legend of Zelda Tetris Chrono Trigger Super Mario World The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past Final Fantasy VI Final Fantasy VII Metal Gear Solid Goldeneye The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Kingdom Hearts The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker Final Fantasy X Super Smash Bros. Melee DIVISIONAL SEMIFINALS Super Mario Bros. 3 The Legend of Zelda Chrono Trigger Final Fantasy VI Final Fantasy VII The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker Final Fantasy X DIVISIONAL FINALS Super Mario Bros. 3 Chrono Trigger Final Fantasy VII Final Fantasy X SEMIFINALS Chrono Trigger Final Fantasy VII CHAMPION Final Fantasy VII --- Final Fantasy IX moogles: ''I want mail, kupo!'' |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/25/2004 7:37:10 PM | Message Detail |
| Do you want me to include that in the link in my sig? --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW Board Odds Project: www.freewebs.com/slowflake/spc2k4.xls |
| From: Bananaquest | Posted: 3/25/2004 7:45:59 PM | Message Detail |
| Sure,
Slowflake. I'm about to head towards your Board Odds Project topic. I
wonder how my picks stack up against the rest of the users on this
board. Also, I'll dive right in with the rest of you guys for this
little contest you're having here. 1. UltimaterializerX 2. Shake 3. Starion 4. DomaDragoon 5. Ngamer 6. ChichiriMuyo 7. cyko 8. Z1mzum 9. Haste2 10. Neoatomtaco 11. Heroic Mario 12. i am vishnu 2 13. Yesmar 14. solarshadow 15. StopPokingMe 16. charmander6000 17. torey luvullo 18. Sir Chris 19. creativename 20. swirldude 21. Xuxon 22. King Morgoth 23. smitelf 24. nh82 25. Team Rocket Elite 26. Sephirot1 27. EvilNcr 28. IMAP 29. Bananaquest --- Final Fantasy IX moogles: ''I want mail, kupo!'' |
| From: creativename | Posted: 3/25/2004 9:35:40 PM | Message Detail |
| Metroid seems to be doing better in these board polls than I expected, and it destroyed Pac-Man in a mock tourney... I don't really understand why anyone would've thought Pac-Man had a chance. My expectation was always that this would be a whooping. I guess there's a chance it might not be, but seriously...Pac-Man? I reiterate: it is my belief that there is virtually no popular, non-niche, non-Arcade/Pac-Man oriented site on the net where Pac-Man could beat Metroid. Metroid was just too damn big during the time that too many current gamers grew up. This is a general call for advice: SMB3 vs. Legend of Zelda is the most important part of my bracket that isn't finalized. I am absolutely torn apart about what to pick between SMB3 and Legend of Zelda. You have to understand: as a kid, SMB3 was like one of my most hated things, period. I despised it. It doesn't arouse that level of emotionality in me anymore, but picking it to beat Legend of Zelda--which I loved--is just blasphemous, and feels like I'm betraying my own youth. Plus, I think people are underrating Legend of Zelda's chances. If I had to pick one major shock, that would be it. However...if SMB3 did defeat Legend of Zelda, as is extremely likely, then I would just feel absolutely sickened if I chose Legend of Zelda. I wouldn't be able to get over SMB3 dicking over my bracket like that. The game that I despised...coming back to haunt me years later by costing me points, while I decided to go against it. This is just an awful thought to me. OTOH, if I picked SMB3 and Legend of Zelda won, I'd be ecstatic. And if I picked SMB3 and it won, I wouldn't feel as bad as if I had picked Legend of Zelda and SMB3 won. I just don't know what to do. I don't think I understand my own utility function well enough to make this choice. --- Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4! |
| From: Haste2 | Posted: 3/25/2004 10:07:18 PM | Message Detail |
| You
know...this contest would've been FAR more difficult if the divisions
weren't organized as they are...well, that's assuming people aren't
extremely biased toward the next-gen games, of course. Think about
it...Super Metroid vs. Metal Gear Solid 2 (and so forth)? Well, as for what I was thinking on Pac-Man vs. Metroid...well, I thought Pac-Man would be a much stronger game than the character (I'd vote Pac-Man the game sometimes but almost never as a character), and I figured Samus was a little more popular than her games, with her suit and all, and that Metroid was a weak link of the Metroid series by a long shot. Add to that the casual gamers who tried Metroid games, but didn't like them(they're quite common). Also, Pac-Man has a bit larger nostalgia factor supposedly, and it could also garner votes just by being one of those fun, simple, addicting games like Tetris. Despite all that, it's probably not enough to go from being tripled to being a winner. Besides, Metroid will get a lot of votes just from name recognition. Now, about Halo vs. Starcraft...I'm just gonna flip a coin on this one. Well, it's heads, so I guess I'll pick Halo. Ack, and I just said I switched my pick over to Starcraft on Slowflake's Odds Project...oh well. --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| From: Haste2 | Posted: 3/25/2004 10:14:50 PM | Message Detail |
| Xenosaga...I haven't thought about that game affecting Xenogears. Oh, crap. X_X And nice to see you again, bananaquest. I know you probably don't remember me, but I was part of your Magus RPG Party. --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| From: solarshadow | Posted: 3/25/2004 10:58:48 PM | Message Detail |
| Oracle Challenge News I finally managed to get this thing started. For everyone who's interested again this year, check it out: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=8&topic=13291032 I think I'll have some time to actually participate in the discussion a little tomorrow (and check out your study Slow, sorry I've ignored it). And it's nice to see Bananaquest again. --- Contest Stats: http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 3/25/2004 11:01:28 PM | Message Detail |
| I
must say, before i run off, Xenosaga didn't actually sell that much
more than Xenogears did though it has recieved a lot more attention. --- Holy schmolly, I want to be aroused by fat women! *tries* Damn it, I can't!! But you said it was my choice! Why can't I not be aroused?!?! *cries* - EvilNcr |
| From: ShookUpTheWorId | Posted: 3/25/2004 11:25:38 PM | Message Detail |
I was just thinking about Bananaquest and the Magus army the other day. Welcome back, bro. I think we've seen all the ol' users at one point or another now. They seem to have survived. --- "I feel pressure in my eye every time I piss." -- BJ "Forgive me for asking, but are you aiming in the right direction?" -- Torey |
| From: Ngamer64 | Posted: 3/26/2004 5:35:50 AM | Message Detail |
| FastFalcon05
wanted to be added earlier, but his pasting buttons weren't working.
...or something. Anyways, I'm going to add him to the list, and we'll
have hit the big 30 member mark. 1. UltimaterializerX 2. Shake 3. Starion 4. DomaDragoon 5. Ngamer 6. ChichiriMuyo 7. cyko 8. Z1mzum 9. Haste2 10. Neoatomtaco 11. Heroic Mario 12. i am vishnu 2 13. Yesmar 14. solarshadow 15. StopPokingMe 16. charmander6000 17. torey luvullo 18. Sir Chris 19. creativename 20. swirldude 21. Xuxon 22. King Morgoth 23. smitelf 24. nh82 25. Team Rocket Elite 26. Sephirot1 27. EvilNcr 28. IMAP 29. Bananaquest 30. FastFalcon And Slowflake, not sure if you've checked here already, but the last few posts on our old Nomination Prediction topic have some really good snub info you might want to look at. http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=8&topic=12829992 Hey, good to see both the Oracle and Prophet back in action! Man, it's been far too long since I've been able to make my posts there. Looks like it's about time to start number crunching. Erm... wait, continue number crunching. --- the-elite.net Ngamer's Contest Archives: http://geocities.com/cyber1166/gamefaqs |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/26/2004 7:59:47 AM | Message Detail |
| BOP Status: UPDATE'D! Now with 74 brackets! It will close next Thursday somewhere around noon. For some comments... The only game in division 128 NO ONE picked to win a match is Skies of Arcadia. In all of the brackets, there are 9 different Division 128 winners, Halo being the most recent addition. (Someone's in denial.) 37.5% of the people who first picked Pac-Man switched to Metroid in the last two days. Ouchies. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW Board Odds Project: www.freewebs.com/slowflake/spc2k4.xls |
| From: swirldude | Posted: 3/26/2004 8:53:34 AM | Message Detail |
| By what we've seen, which upset will most likely cause the board to go into a Squall/Luigi like fury (if it happens?) Duck Hunt over Donkey Kong Starcraft over Halo Soul Calibur over Kingdom Hearts Metroid Prime over Wind Waker GTAVC over SSBM Super Mario World over Chrono Trigger Final Fantasy over Super Mario Bros. 3 GTAVC/SSBM over FFX CT NOT winning Division 16 FFX or SSBM NOT winning Division 128 --- And the no. 1 reason why Magus > Ansem.......Ansem bought an N-Gage, didn't he! FATALITY. O_O ~Cromage |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 3/26/2004 9:14:21 AM | Message Detail |
| I'm
with Chichiri. 40% against Aeris (which is the most anybody's put up
against her without actually beating her) shows that he's at least a
solid character in addition to beating Felix. Gordon on the other hand,
was DESTROYED by Tina Armstrong & lost to a guy that lost to
Scorpion. Clearly MC is no Gordon. So you think that the majority of the people who have played Halo knew who the heck Master Chief was? I know I didn't. I never said MC was as weak as Gordon, just that he suffered from similar problems. --- "Your fate is sealed, and none but yours." -- Auron Proud Supporter of Starcraft in the Spring 2004 Contest |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/26/2004 9:40:19 AM | Message Detail |
| Duck Hunt over Donkey Kong Not only that, but me plastering "I TOLD YOU!!!" all over the board as well. XD It's not even getting 30% in the BOP... I'm a little surprised, especially since it could keep up at the beginning. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW Board Odds Project: www.freewebs.com/slowflake/spc2k4.xls |
| From: Who Cares? | Posted: 3/26/2004 10:11:15 AM | Message Detail |
| So
you think that the majority of the people who have played Halo knew who
the heck Master Chief was? I know I didn't. I never said MC was as weak
as Gordon, just that he suffered from similar problems. Well, I've never played Halo, yet I knew/heard of Master Chief prior to last year's contest. If he does suffer from the problem as Gordon, it certainely isn't as bad as Gordon's. And don't forgot, MC had 1440 people picking him to take the whole thing, more than Mega Man if I remember correctly... |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/26/2004 11:04:00 AM | Message Detail |
| Okay, now there's a little something that has me scratching my head. I believe PS will beat Contra because of sheer name recognition among the youngins. However, even though DK is a big household name, I still have it losing to Duck Hunt because of how it sold (granted, it came packaged with the NES, but you get my point). My logic would be that these sales kinda null DK's name recognition and franchise votes. Add to that the fact that DK, the legendary character, isn't that popular on this site... would that be a double standard? Another thing... go to the Genesis page and look at how Sonic 2 dominates the FAQs and boards. Now, I know S3 and S&K are separated, but even if combined, could S3&K still end up below S2, effectively making it the rightful Sonic entry? --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW Board Odds Project: www.freewebs.com/slowflake/spc2k4.xls |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 3/26/2004 11:38:44 AM | Message Detail |
| By what we've seen, which upset will most likely cause the board to go into a Squall/Luigi like fury (if it happens?) GTAVC over SSBM This would definitely hit the spot. A new-school game with senseless violence as its centerpiece defeating a conglomeration of all that is Nintendo would cause some heat around here. I hope it happens, for my bracket's sake :) Final Fantasy over Super Mario Bros. 3 If this happens...I would run far, far away from this board if I were you. --- "Your fate is sealed, and none but yours." -- Auron Proud Supporter of Starcraft in the Spring 2004 Contest |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 3/26/2004 11:40:10 AM | Message Detail |
| If he does suffer from the problem as Gordon, it certainely isn't as bad as Gordon's. Never said it was. However, both are similar in that you can play through their games without developing any particular attachment to them or even remembering their names. --- "Your fate is sealed, and none but yours." -- Auron Proud Supporter of Starcraft in the Spring 2004 Contest |
| From: Who Cares? | Posted: 3/26/2004 12:30:51 PM | Message Detail |
| Never
said it was. However, both are similar in that you can play through
their games without developing any particular attachment to them or
even remembering their names. OK, I'll take you word for it since I haven't played Halo or know anyone that has. So how bad of an 'identity crisis' do you think MC has compared to Gordon, just so I could understand it better. |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 3/26/2004 12:39:27 PM | Message Detail |
| OK,
I'll take you word for it since I haven't played Halo or know anyone
that has. So how bad of an 'identity crisis' do you think MC has
compared to Gordon, just so I could understand it better. Meh, well, as has been said, it's not to the same extent but his results last year speak for themselves. For a character who a significant number of people were expecting to go far, he got trounced by Aeris. Yeah, he did better than Sora against Aeris but considering that we still don't know where KH stands, and Aeris had both her appearance in FFVII and KH to back her up while Sora just had his annoying role in KH, I think it's better to focus on the fact that he only got 53% against a GameBoy character. Even if we are talking about the Xbox, this is *the* most popular game for that console we're talking about, here. Halo is significantly stronger than Master Chief. It would destroy Golden Sun. --- "Your fate is sealed, and none but yours." -- Auron Proud Supporter of Starcraft in the Spring 2004 Contest |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/26/2004 4:47:23 PM | Message Detail |
| Well,
just to make me lie, someone picked SoA to beat WW. And the same guy
had FE winning the division... we have 10 different winners for that
division! --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW Board Odds Project: www.freewebs.com/slowflake/spc2k4.xls |
| From: Bananaquest | Posted: 3/26/2004 6:30:47 PM | Message Detail |
| And nice to see you again, bananaquest. I know you probably don't remember me, but I was part of your Magus RPG Party. What's up, Haste2! You were Azala in the party. I'll never forget all 182 members of the party. I still have all the Magus RPG Party files archived on my ZIP disk and may put them up on the FreeWebs server on a later date. Should the need arises this summer, I'll leave the Magus RPG Party 2004 in the hands of Oddity and Camwi, since these two have contributed the most to the party last summer. They have my approval to start a new topic and will make fine leaders for the new party. I don't anticipate myself running the party due to time constraints and I'll likely be out-of-town on a couple of occasions. But I'll be here throughout most of the spring and summer, talking with some of you along the way. And it's nice to see Bananaquest again. Nice to see you too, solarshadow. Your Oracle Challenge is shaping up to be better than ever. I overlooked it last year and was a wee bit late to participate. I'll make sure of myself not to miss out this time. BTW, great topic here, as always! I was just thinking about Bananaquest and the Magus army the other day. Welcome back, bro. I think we've seen all the ol' users at one point or another now. They seem to have survived. Hey, Shake! I was a quiet reader of this board's fanfics, until I faded out back in September. I noticed that your CYOA is still here, as well as GunMage's VS Mode and the Fanfiction Project (BigCow's name comes to my mind first). I know that I missed out a lot, but if they've been archived somewhere, then there's no need for me to be worried. Looking at Slowflake's Board Odds spreadsheet, almost all of my picks fall in line with the majority of board users. One notable exception is Final Fantasy 6 vs. Zelda: Link to the Past. As of right now, Zelda LttP leads with 44 picks, followed by FF6 with 29, and Super Metroid with 4. When I filled out my bracket, I tend to ignore seedings as much as possible, unless the matchup involves two games coming from the same console, which is a case here. If the seedings have any meaning, FF6 should beat Zelda LttP because it has more nominations. And those who nominated Chrono Trigger as the best SNES game are more likely to favor FF6 than Zelda LttP. I have FF6 winning this one and it'll stay. LttP is considered by some as the best Zelda game ever and I believe that it deservingly should at least reach the Elite Eight. But it is in one of the tougher divisions and unfortunately for LttP, it will likely be the first Zelda game to be eliminated among the four, according to my bracket. --- My Spring 2004 Contest bracket: http://www.freewebs.com/bananaquest Final Fantasy IX moogles: "I want mail, kupo!" |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/26/2004 8:03:47 PM | Message Detail |
| You should consider yourself lucky you didn't see these results earlier... LttP was beating FF6 senseless at the beginning. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW Board Odds Project: www.freewebs.com/slowflake/spc2k4.xls |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 3/26/2004 8:14:02 PM | Message Detail |
| On Halo and Starcraft, all Starcraft has to do is make up the 6300 votes that Felix missed out on. And oh, look! Another bracket that looks exactly like everyone else`s! This is why you keep your mouths shut when random posters ask for bracket help, people. --- MIASU! Boards Hunted: 3509 My Petition: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=7&topic=12558738 |
| From: Yesmar | Posted: 3/26/2004 8:16:29 PM | Message Detail |
| Mark my words (Why did I have to say this?), Metroid Vs. Pac-Man. Even if Metroid wins, the match will be really close. Trust me, this match is being underrated just like Pac-Man Vs. Kefka was underrated last year. --- Heh Heh... The wind... It is blowing...--Ganondorf |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/26/2004 8:44:27 PM | Message Detail |
| But they never end up listening anyway. HA! That's definitely why I rode the board consensuses to the top 10 last year, at least before you know what. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW Board Odds Project: www.freewebs.com/slowflake/spc2k4.xls |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/27/2004 5:06:57 AM | Message Detail |
| Hm... very interesting. The PC version of FF11 is 4th on the top 10 FAQ pages overall, despite only 13% of the populace owning it. And that's where it gets interesting... the PS2 version is 3rd, when only 4% own it! And even if people with either version searched for the other version, that still means a game only 17% own is 3rd AND 4th! You wanted your proof that FAQ lists are unreliable... there. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW Board Odds Project: www.freewebs.com/slowflake/spc2k4.xls |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 3/27/2004 12:10:35 PM | Message Detail |
| Hm... very interesting. The PC version of FF11 is 4th on the top 10 FAQ pages overall, despite only 13% of the populace owning it. And that's where it gets interesting... the PS2 version is 3rd, when only 4% own it! And even if people with either version searched for the other version, that still means a game only 17% own is 3rd AND 4th! You wanted your proof that FAQ lists are unreliable... there. As far as the PC version goes, it's #1 on the FAQ list now and ~11% of GameFAQs owns it. Since this is GameFAQs, for any PC game to be owned by over 10% of the population here is astounding. We know PC games aren't popular here. That would easily be enough to put a game high on the top 10. FFXI is #2 on the top PS2 list with less than 4%, however, which does seem strange to me. However, since the game only came out four days ago, it is likely that every one of those 4%, PLUS the 15% who are considering buying it, AND a significant portion of those who think it's too expensive, have been looking at the FAQs to see if it's worth buying. I don't think it's fair to discount the meaning of FAQ ratings based on the curious performance of a very new game. It's Final Fantasy and it's new -- abnormally good FAQ performance, especially in the first couple weeks, is expected. However, for games like FFX, which have been out for a couple years, to be #3 on the PS2 FAQ list does mean something. For FFVII to be #14 after six and a half years is an important sign. FAQ ratings may not be important for judging newer games, but for games that are older, they show staying power. --- "Your fate is sealed, and none but yours." -- Auron Proud Supporter of Starcraft in the Spring 2004 Contest |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/27/2004 1:09:06 PM | Message Detail |
| Not
exactly. As far as older consoles go, RPGs will have the overwhelming
advantage over everything else, the exception being - again - the Zelda
series. But there's no denying that FF7 is still ridiculously high
overall... then again, it tends to transcend every logic we seem to
draw out of these contests. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW Board Odds Project: www.freewebs.com/slowflake/spc2k4.xls |
| From: Sir Shake | Posted: 3/27/2004 2:54:04 PM | Message Detail |
Since XI is an online MMORPG, I suspect the board to be somewhat inflated. Every Board member can agree to meet with another at any time, so I would expect it to be busier then its popularity warrants. Bananaquest, all the Fanfic Projects are indeed archived. I've recently been honored by Cromage to join the FFPon her site. <3 (If she happens to stumble in here looking for Magus) --- My life is like Super Mario Bros ; no matter how much I pursue the girl, she ends up in another castle. ~ dj kornphlake |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/27/2004 2:55:15 PM | Message Detail |
| But we're not talking boards here, we're talking FAQs. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW Board Odds Project: www.freewebs.com/slowflake/spc2k4.xls |
| From: Ngamer64 | Posted: 3/27/2004 3:53:53 PM | Message Detail |
| Well,
a couple things. Firstly, has been pointed out, it's certainly being
helped by The New Factor; there are probably just as many hits coming
in from people wanted to check the reviews and/or boards as from people
who actually own the game and need some help. Secondly, it's the end of March... it can't take all that many hits to crack the Top Five right now. So sure, it might be only 20% of the site, but when that other 80% is spread out over so many other games, it makes sense. Now, if a game can make it to #3 on December 28th or July 5th, then you're really saying something. That's why I'd agree in saying that the daily Top 50 isn't worth all that much, but something taking whole years at a time into account, like my Top 100 <free plug> http://geocities.com/cyber1166/gamefaqs/topfaqs/ </free plug> is still worth looking into. True, it's going to be especially kind to RPGs, but you can get an idea of the holding power that some non-RPGs have as well. Just take a look at that tough triangle at the bottom of Division 128, for instance. Non-RPGs Vice City, MGS2, and Melee all hold positions in the Top Ten... no wonder so many people are having trouble calling these matchups. --- the-elite.net Ngamer's Contest Archives: http://geocities.com/cyber1166/gamefaqs |
| From: Sir Shake | Posted: 3/27/2004 3:58:38 PM | Message Detail |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/27/2004 1:55:15 PM | Message Detail But we're not talking boards here, we're talking FAQs. *raises hand* My bad. I just thought I'd skim a few posts and join in on the conversation. I'll do reconnaissance first next time. ^_~ --- My life is like Super Mario Bros ; no matter how much I pursue the girl, she ends up in another castle. ~ dj kornphlake |
| From: Ngamer64 | Posted: 3/27/2004 4:12:54 PM | Message Detail |
| When
someone wants to check the boards or reviews for a game, they're going
to click its name in the daily Top Ten. This takes them directly to the
FAQ page, and from there they move to what they really want to see.
Meaning, the FAQ page gets a free hit every time this happens, meaning,
the Top Ten is not a pure representation of those who own the game and
need help with it. This also helps explain why games generally take
such a nosedive once their newness wears off... it's not because
everyone who bought it opening day has beaten it within two weeks. --- the-elite.net Ngamer's Contest Archives: http://geocities.com/cyber1166/gamefaqs |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/27/2004 5:05:53 PM | Message Detail |
| A
new update for the BOP spreasheet. Only two new brackets, bringing the
total to 79, but a nice new addition... the point value for each game
according to these 79 brackets. This table will only be updated next
Thursday once the BOP is over, but in the meantime the current sample
is more than enough. The background color for each game in the table means the consensus as for how far it will go (the legend is on row 3). The only exception for this is Wind Waker: the consensus has it losing in the second round to Metroid Prime... but the same consensus also has Metroid Prime losing second round to Wind Waker. So basically, what I used to get out of this is the fact that WW has more picks to go to the division finals, hence the nice green background. Something to note is how Starcraft is slightly ahead of Halo... even though Halo is favored to beat Starcraft, those who picked Starcraft have it going further. But honestly, neither game has a chance to beat KH... do they? Enjoy! --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW Board Odds Project: www.freewebs.com/slowflake/spc2k4.xls |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 3/28/2004 6:44:36 AM | Message Detail |
| But honestly, neither game has a chance to beat KH... do they? Um, no. Well, maybe Halo if it turns out to be on the high end of its expected popularity and KH turns out to have been overestimated. Mostly I'd say that KH is as safe a bet as you're going to get in that division, though. In other news, CJay is using these polls to taunt us. Bad CJay, bad. --- "Your fate is sealed, and none but yours." -- Auron Proud Supporter of Starcraft in the Spring 2004 Contest |
| From: torey luvullo | Posted: 3/28/2004 7:22:56 AM | Message Detail |
| nice spreadsheet, slowflake. |
| From: dethwing | Posted: 3/28/2004 7:43:55 AM | Message Detail |
| All Zelda games in Green. Funny man Slowflake. :) --- Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth--Burlap to Cashmere Spring 2004 Final 4: Mario 3, CT, FF7, FFX |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 3/28/2004 9:25:59 AM | Message Detail |
| Damn it, Slowflake, you always update when I'm on a computer that can't view the file. It's a conspiracy! --- "Your fate is sealed, and none but yours." -- Auron Proud Supporter of Starcraft in the Spring 2004 Contest |
| From: Bananaquest | Posted: 3/28/2004 11:55:10 AM | Message Detail |
| You should consider yourself lucky you didn't see these results earlier... LttP was beating FF6 senseless at the beginning. Hmmm... Oooh... it's kinda tempting... Nah. Ain't changing it. :p Nice job with the spreadsheet with all the color-coding. There is an interesting observation on who will take the crown of Division 128... So far, the top four contenders are Final Fantasy 10 with 32 picks, Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker with 19, Super Smash Bros. Melee with 15, and Metroid Prime's 8. This is the only matchup that doesn't have a candidate with a clear-cut majority. It's very possible that Wind Waker can take down FFX, when you have SSBM and MP fans getting behind their fellow GameCube title. Or they can break their GC ties and vote FFX because they were disappointed with WW (cel-shading, etc.) It'll be interesting to see how this probable matchup unfolds. Bananaquest, all the Fanfic Projects are indeed archived. I've recently been honored by Cromage to join the FFPon her site. <3 (If she happens to stumble in here looking for Magus) Ah yes, I remember Cromage -- Magus RPG Party's Magus fangirl at the Millennial Fair :D It's great to hear that all of them are archived on her site. I've seen Oddity (the Norstein Bekkler) write some nice fanfics for your CYOA project, GunMage (the Epoch) for his VS Mode, BigCow (Janus) for the Fanfiction Project and even Aeon Azuran (Ozzie) write a few for the FPP team. There's also MyWorldIsSquare (Lynx) and maplejet (King Guardia XXI) and the list goes on. It goes to show that Magus fans produce some of the finest fanfics in the world, and I bet my Power Tabs have something to do with it. *wink wink* XD I'll try to get caught up with the readings in my spare time and participate in your discussions later on. Thanks man. --- My Spring 2004 Contest bracket: http://www.freewebs.com/bananaquest Final Fantasy IX moogles: "I want mail, kupo!" |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/28/2004 11:55:13 AM | Message Detail |
| Hey, it's not my fault if everyone has a half-Zelda Elite 8 and a Zelda-less Final 4! Though, that IS frightening. Half of the Elite 8 could be Zelda, and the only games that have a chance in hell of preventing it are the two Metroids. Well, and FF6, but I think it's being blatantly overestimated. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW Board Odds Project: www.freewebs.com/slowflake/spc2k4.xls |
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