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From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/23/2004 8:43:06 AM | Message Detail
Just updated the BOP spreadsheet: I now have 61 brackets.

As for the elimination table, I think I'll just enter it manually once the BOP is closed.

A funny tidbit: if the numbers I have hold up, and I know they won't, but if they did, Duck Hunt, Perfect Dark, Pokémon or Starcraft winning would become the biggest first round upset of all time. Likewise, so little stock is put into Super Metroid to beat LttP that it would get a smaller percentage of picks correct than Magus over Ganondorf if it won.
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SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW
From: solarshadow | Posted: 3/23/2004 9:50:44 AM | Message Detail
Solar, when do you officially start collecting predictions for the Spring Oracle challenge? The contest is only about a week away.

If all goes to plan: tomorrow. I'll be accepting any final suggestions regarding this year's scoring system until then:
http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=8&topic=9841487

Then I'll make some sort of decision and try to reconstruct my lost spread sheet before the contest starts. :)

what's the list for?

A friendly competition among the discussion topic participants to see who has the best bracket. The winner gets sigged by everyone else as a reward. It's silly, but what the heck.
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Contest Stats: http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com
From: Ngamer64 | Posted: 3/23/2004 10:57:08 AM | Message Detail
Yes, we're going to see who ends up with the best bracket out of our group of experts, the winner gets himself sigged all of the place. And when you sign up, you're supposed to add your name to the list. So after Chris, we now look like this:

1. UltimaterializerX
2. Shake
3. Starion
4. DomaDragoon
5. Ngamer
6. ChichiriMuyo
7. cyko
8. Z1mzum
9. Haste2
10. Neoatomtaco
11. Heroic Mario
12. i am vishnu 2
13. Yesmar
14. solarshadow
15. StopPokingMe
16. charmander6000
17. torey luvullo
18. Sir Chris


And for this group, we're calling ourselves the "Contest Discussion Gurus." Ulti is going to make a topic where we'll all post our full brackets on April Fools Day (or thereabouts), and then I'm going to save it and put it in my Archives, so we'll have a permanent copy of everyone's picks.

So, yeah, it should be fun. Except for the fact that, despite their living in this topic all month, creativename and Slowflake still haven't signed up yet. *taps fingers impatiently*

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Ngamer's Contest Archives: http://geocities.com/cyber1166/gamefaqs
From: smitelf | Posted: 3/23/2004 11:40:31 AM | Message Detail
A funny tidbit: if the numbers I have hold up, and I know they won't, but if they did, Duck Hunt, Perfect Dark, Pokémon or Starcraft winning would become the biggest first round upset of all time.

Hilarious, especially since I'm betting on two of those four to win (although Starcraft is more personal support than any expectation of it actually winning).

Likewise, so little stock is put into Super Metroid to beat LttP that it would get a smaller percentage of picks correct than Magus over Ganondorf if it won.

And I expect Vice City to win the Most Underseeded Game Award and screw up as many brackets as Magus did ^_^
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"Your fate is sealed, and none but yours." -- Auron
Proud Supporter of Starcraft in the Spring 2004 Contest
From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/23/2004 12:00:18 PM | Message Detail
Oh, if that happens, believe me, this board will get ugly.

But not only do I think SM > LttP has a better chance of happening than VC > SSBM, but the latter is slightly more popular anyway.

And why the heck is Sonic 2 more popular to advance to round 3 than Super Metroid? That is the big question that comes out of that division, besides from the insane amount of people who have CT winning it (more than SMB3 for its own division!).
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SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW
From: nifboy | Posted: 3/23/2004 1:28:58 PM | Message Detail
And why the heck is Sonic 2 more popular to advance to round 3 than Super Metroid?

I blame Shadow vs. Mario and Samus vs. Link from SC'03.
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"We seek as much data - raw facts, direct experience - as we can, and then we make up our own minds." - J. Moore
From: Garsha | Posted: 3/23/2004 1:31:15 PM | Message Detail
Slowflake, don't forget top add these:

http://www.bracketmaker.com/predict_list.cfm?parent=134318

Many predictions are right here. You can post your predictions there too!
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Hellfire Knight of the <<Official** Sephiroth Army>>
Winner: FFVII - Finalist: SMB3 - Semi-Finalists: CT; FFX
From: creativename | Posted: 3/23/2004 2:12:17 PM | Message Detail
A funny tidbit: if the numbers I have hold up, and I know they won't, but if they did, Duck Hunt, Perfect Dark, Pokémon or Starcraft winning would become the biggest first round upset of all time. Likewise, so little stock is put into Super Metroid to beat LttP that it would get a smaller percentage of picks correct than Magus over Ganondorf if it won

I don't think the actual brackets will be as polarized. They will probably contain more variety.

So, yeah, it should be fun. Except for the fact that, despite their living in this topic all month, creativename and Slowflake still haven't signed up yet. *taps fingers impatiently*

Uh...yeah...about that. I'm just not too keen on glorifying someone in my sig like that. But I guess I'll look like a pansy if I don't join :-|

If a sig like "___ had the most succesful bracket among the gurus" is OK, then I guess I'm in.

And why the heck is Sonic 2 more popular to advance to round 3 than Super Metroid? That is the big question that comes out of that division, besides from the insane amount of people who have CT winning it (more than SMB3 for its own division!).

It is very strange indeed that Link to the Past is such a massive favorite against Super Metroid. That was a very highly discussed match, with many convinced that Super Metroid would win.

I think Chrono Trigger is a good choice for champion if you want to increase your odds of winning the contest, but if the contest only consisted of the 8-bit division, then from what these brackets indicate it would be a very poor choice indeed. I definitely wonder though if Chrono Trigger will be as heavily favored in the general brackets; we already know the general brackets tended to underrate Crono in SC2K3. I'm thinking you'll get significant amounts of people picking not only Link to the Past, Final Fantasy VI, and Super Metroid, but also Super Mario World and Sonic 2 to win that division among the general brackets. In fact, I could see a small number of brackets actually picking Street Fighter 2 in that division.

The board-based brackets are probably exaggerated towards the favorites.
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Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4!
From: swirldude | Posted: 3/23/2004 2:13:05 PM | Message Detail
Can I be on the list?
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0oT. Of course both games are excellent and have equal followings, but GameFAQs seems to have more RPG fanboys. ~bbb on OoT vs FFVII
From: Ngamer64 | Posted: 3/23/2004 2:21:28 PM | Message Detail
Sure thing, creative, that sig would be just fine, especially if you enbolden the winner's name. With swirldude now joined as well, that takes us up to an even 20.

1. UltimaterializerX
2. Shake
3. Starion
4. DomaDragoon
5. Ngamer
6. ChichiriMuyo
7. cyko
8. Z1mzum
9. Haste2
10. Neoatomtaco
11. Heroic Mario
12. i am vishnu 2
13. Yesmar
14. solarshadow
15. StopPokingMe
16. charmander6000
17. torey luvullo
18. Sir Chris
19. creativename
20. swirldude

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From: Xuxon | Posted: 3/23/2004 3:12:33 PM | Message Detail
Seems like fun, I'll join

1. UltimaterializerX
2. Shake
3. Starion
4. DomaDragoon
5. Ngamer
6. ChichiriMuyo
7. cyko
8. Z1mzum
9. Haste2
10. Neoatomtaco
11. Heroic Mario
12. i am vishnu 2
13. Yesmar
14. solarshadow
15. StopPokingMe
16. charmander6000
17. torey luvullo
18. Sir Chris
19. creativename
20. swirldude
21. Xuxon
From: Sir Shake | Posted: 3/23/2004 3:39:04 PM | Message Detail


I'm eager for the contest to start. Haven't visited this in awhile, since I made my mind up about my bracket. Its settled in, I haven't changed it since I said here I was happy with it.

Now its just waiting for the first match, and the Prophetic Challenge and such. I didn't participate in either MMX's or Solarshadow's, so I'm kinda anxious to try those.

Speaking of which, how many votes will the first match get? I'm estimating about 120.000. Slightly conservative, but it would be insane if it would be a lot more then that.

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Shake : Can ya cook?
Kali101 : Not really. I nearly killed myself once, trying to make spaghetti.
From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/23/2004 4:02:47 PM | Message Detail
I'd take the Bracketmaker ones, except there are a lot of them who already submitted theirs, and it would be a hassle to go and find out who each user is, and then go and see if they match with any of the 62 users who entered. Plus, I only want people who actually consent to enter, well, to enter, if you get my point.

Nice point about the overall bracket split. SF2 is definitely a longshot, but then again, there will always be people to pick Adventure or Gunstar Heroes. ;)

Funny that I'm not with the majority's pick in 5 matches this time. Last year, I was in agreement with, like, all of them.
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SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW
From: GoldSlime35 | Posted: 3/23/2004 5:57:11 PM | Message Detail
I think that CJayC's original odds were just based on the number who chose them to win, with some roundng involved. So since mario had 4:1 odds, probably 25% chose him to win.
From: King Morgoth | Posted: 3/23/2004 6:05:37 PM | Message Detail
Feels good to be back, though I know I'll spend way too much time here with the Oracle, Prophet and everything else...

I still don't understand why Chrono Trigger is favored by that much to win its division (53 vs 5 against Lttp) in Slowflake's topic...

Oh and
1. UltimaterializerX
2. Shake
3. Starion
4. DomaDragoon
5. Ngamer
6. ChichiriMuyo
7. cyko
8. Z1mzum
9. Haste2
10. Neoatomtaco
11. Heroic Mario
12. i am vishnu 2
13. Yesmar
14. solarshadow
15. StopPokingMe
16. charmander6000
17. torey luvullo
18. Sir Chris
19. creativename
20. swirldude
21. Xuxon
22. King Morgoth
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"Everything gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost"
From: smitelf | Posted: 3/23/2004 6:07:37 PM | Message Detail
Okay, I'm in.

1. UltimaterializerX
2. Shake
3. Starion
4. DomaDragoon
5. Ngamer
6. ChichiriMuyo
7. cyko
8. Z1mzum
9. Haste2
10. Neoatomtaco
11. Heroic Mario
12. i am vishnu 2
13. Yesmar
14. solarshadow
15. StopPokingMe
16. charmander6000
17. torey luvullo
18. Sir Chris
19. creativename
20. swirldude
21. Xuxon
22. King Morgoth
23. smitelf
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"Your fate is sealed, and none but yours." -- Auron
Proud Supporter of Starcraft in the Spring 2004 Contest
From: nh82 | Posted: 3/23/2004 6:16:04 PM | Message Detail
I'd be up for playing if you don't mind?

1. UltimaterializerX
2. Shake
3. Starion
4. DomaDragoon
5. Ngamer
6. ChichiriMuyo
7. cyko
8. Z1mzum
9. Haste2
10. Neoatomtaco
11. Heroic Mario
12. i am vishnu 2
13. Yesmar
14. solarshadow
15. StopPokingMe
16. charmander6000
17. torey luvullo
18. Sir Chris
19. creativename
20. swirldude
21. Xuxon
22. King Morgoth
23. smitelf
24. nh82
From: creativename | Posted: 3/23/2004 8:46:04 PM | Message Detail
I think that CJayC's original odds were just based on the number who chose them to win, with some roundng involved. So since mario had 4:1 odds, probably 25% chose him to win.

He stated that it was based on a weighted system. Also, 12.8% picked Link to win in 2K2, yet his odds were 9:1. If you're going to round to x:1, that's 7:1 odds, not 9:1 (or 8:1 if you do it incorrectly, which I suspect he did since his odds don't add to 1).


Hey Slowflake...I see you are adeptly avoiding this sig-contest issue -_-

Ngamer's already called you out, but you're all hiding backstage. Wassup wit dat??
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Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4!
From: Team Rocket Elite | Posted: 3/23/2004 11:12:20 PM | Message Detail
1. UltimaterializerX
2. Shake
3. Starion
4. DomaDragoon
5. Ngamer
6. ChichiriMuyo
7. cyko
8. Z1mzum
9. Haste2
10. Neoatomtaco
11. Heroic Mario
12. i am vishnu 2
13. Yesmar
14. solarshadow
15. StopPokingMe
16. charmander6000
17. torey luvullo
18. Sir Chris
19. creativename
20. swirldude
21. Xuxon
22. King Morgoth
23. smitelf
24. nh82
25. Team Rocket Elite
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Do you have any advice for filling out our brackets?
''Never underestimate the true power of fanboyism.'' ~CjayC
From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/24/2004 7:00:31 AM | Message Detail
I don't want anyone to feed my ego, and in counterpart, I don't want to feed anyone's ego either (more likely to happen, ha). Plus, sig space could have monetary value since it's just so rare.

In other news, I updated the BOP tally, and I'm now at 68 brackets. Would be cool if I could reach 100... though I doubt it's going to happen.

Weird how two-timed this thing is. At the beginning, PS/Contra and DK/Duck Hunt were split right down the middle, SF2 was leading SMRPG easily, Halo was doubling Starcraft... now Contra and DK got huge leads, SMRPG's getting 2 picks out of 3, and there's a Starcraft pick for every Halo pick. And that's not all...
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SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW
From: EvilNcr | Posted: 3/24/2004 7:06:21 AM | Message Detail
Count me in... but where the bloody hell do I enter my bracket?
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The Reaper is always a step behind you ncr...
http://www.angelfire.com/rebellion2/ncrdrg/images/ncrdrg.jpg
From: Sephirot1 Returns | Posted: 3/24/2004 7:06:27 AM | Message Detail
I am going to join.

1. UltimaterializerX
2. Shake
3. Starion
4. DomaDragoon
5. Ngamer
6. ChichiriMuyo
7. cyko
8. Z1mzum
9. Haste2
10. Neoatomtaco
11. Heroic Mario
12. i am vishnu 2
13. Yesmar
14. solarshadow
15. StopPokingMe
16. charmander6000
17. torey luvullo
18. Sir Chris
19. creativename
20. swirldude
21. Xuxon
22. King Morgoth
23. smitelf
24. nh82
25. Team Rocket Elite
26. Sephirot1
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Desires are fed by hopes, vote for Suikoden II against Final Fantasy VII in the SpC2K4.
From: EvilNcr | Posted: 3/24/2004 7:07:44 AM | Message Detail
so be it.

1. UltimaterializerX
2. Shake
3. Starion
4. DomaDragoon
5. Ngamer
6. ChichiriMuyo
7. cyko
8. Z1mzum
9. Haste2
10. Neoatomtaco
11. Heroic Mario
12. i am vishnu 2
13. Yesmar
14. solarshadow
15. StopPokingMe
16. charmander6000
17. torey luvullo
18. Sir Chris
19. creativename
20. swirldude
21. Xuxon
22. King Morgoth
23. smitelf
24. nh82
25. Team Rocket Elite
26. Sephirot1
27. EvilNcr
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The Reaper is always a step behind you ncr...
http://www.angelfire.com/rebellion2/ncrdrg/images/ncrdrg.jpg
From: Who Cares? | Posted: 3/24/2004 7:13:11 AM | Message Detail
*Looks at Slowflake's updated list*
Wow, SMRPG & SF2 only separated by 4 picks. I'm convinced this will be the toughest call of the entire first round. Somehow I can see the match playing out a la Aya vs DK. You know back & forth for the first few hours...
From: IMAP | Posted: 3/24/2004 1:15:20 PM | Message Detail
I will join the stats competition. :P
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"the "unusual upsets" of last year become the "conventional wisdom" of the current year."--BigCow
From: dethwing | Posted: 3/24/2004 1:29:27 PM | Message Detail
I keep losing the link flake...could you say it again?
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Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth--Burlap to Cashmere
Spring 2004 Final 4: Mario 3, CT, FF7, FFX
From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/24/2004 1:38:09 PM | Message Detail
Again? Well, it hasn't yet been posted in this topic as far as I know, but here it is:

www.freewebs.com/slowflake/spc2k4.xls

Shouldn't be that easy to forget... ;)
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SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW
From: dethwing | Posted: 3/24/2004 1:49:04 PM | Message Detail
The stat that I find interesting is CT vs Mario 3. CT is dominating the semi final pick 42 to 16, but despite that huge dipsarity, they have the same number of championship picks at 4 a piece. I guess people think that if Mario 3 can beat CT, then it could beat FF7/OoT. But almost everyone sees CT's dominating run come crashing to a halt.
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Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth--Burlap to Cashmere
Spring 2004 Final 4: Mario 3, CT, FF7, FFX
From: Ngamer64 | Posted: 3/24/2004 2:22:23 PM | Message Detail
The addition of IMAP takes us up to 28, and makes the Guru listing look like this:

1. UltimaterializerX
2. Shake
3. Starion
4. DomaDragoon
5. Ngamer
6. ChichiriMuyo
7. cyko
8. Z1mzum
9. Haste2
10. Neoatomtaco
11. Heroic Mario
12. i am vishnu 2
13. Yesmar
14. solarshadow
15. StopPokingMe
16. charmander6000
17. torey luvullo
18. Sir Chris
19. creativename
20. swirldude
21. Xuxon
22. King Morgoth
23. smitelf
24. nh82
25. Team Rocket Elite
26. Sephirot1
27. EvilNcr
28. IMAP

And, aw... you ought to play along, Slowflake. It's not really an ego thing, more of just a friendly competition. And besides, you're not using that second line of your sig for anything right now anyways. (Speaking of which, you should put the Excel link there for the time being.)

So... the Oracle Challenge goes online later tonight then, eh? I can't wait to see which scoring system we're going to end up using...

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the-elite.net
Ngamer's Contest Archives: http://geocities.com/cyber1166/gamefaqs
From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/24/2004 2:28:40 PM | Message Detail
Wow, I didn't think it wouldn't fit. Usually, second lines never do in my case.

As for the side-contest... let me think about this.
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SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW
Board Odds Project: www.freewebs.com/slowflake/spc2k4.xls
From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 3/24/2004 2:46:33 PM | Message Detail
I`m with Ng64 on this, Slowflake. This isn`t an ego ting at all, in my opinion. It`s a little friendly thing between, um... friends. And you don`t want people to feed your ego? Odd, as I`ve never seen you tell me to shut up =P

As for the sig thing, "_________ is my God!" might be a little over the top.

"Congratulations to _____, winner of the Bracket Discussion Crew Contest!" could work better. Or even *official temporary fanboy of _________*. Or how about I have been temporarily pwned by _______!

I don`t know. Something funny, but not offensive. We`re not trying to make enemies of each other because of this thing at all.
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MIASU!!
My SC2K4 Petition: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=7&topic=12558738
From: Shake lll | Posted: 3/24/2004 3:01:40 PM | Message Detail


The more over the top the sig is, the better I like it. To the victor goes the spoils, and where's the fun without spoils?

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I feel that to express myself without losing every shard of dignity I need to use an alt.~ some Smurf
From: cyko | Posted: 3/24/2004 7:08:12 PM | Message Detail
hey Slowflake- i can't access your site. =(

what do i have to do to access it?

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Please go nominate Secret of Mana for SNES. Right Now.
A Cheese Legend of Trivia 12
From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/24/2004 7:09:27 PM | Message Detail
You sure you go directly to the Excel file? Because there's no index.htm.
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SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW
Board Odds Project: www.freewebs.com/slowflake/spc2k4.xls
From: FastFalcon05 | Posted: 3/24/2004 8:43:15 PM | Message Detail
I'll join the contest as well, but I hope its only a one line thing, and I dun think it should be too long either. I would copy/paste/add myself to the list, but my copy and paste buttons are frazzled for the time being. don't know why, it would be nice if I did though....
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Was nokia trying to prove that something can be made worse than x-box? ~Darkbaconslayer on N-Gage
From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 3/24/2004 9:25:57 PM | Message Detail
Come on now Ulti, just get used to the idea of saying "ChichiriMuyo is my god".
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Holy schmolly, I want to be aroused by fat women! *tries* Damn it, I can't!! But you said it was my choice! Why can't I not be aroused?!?! *cries* - EvilNcr
From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/25/2004 6:02:45 AM | Message Detail
Wow, today's poll doesn't look too good for Starcraft. Only 52% ever played a computer MMO game, and Starcraft is just one of them.

Looks like it'll have to rely on the anti-X-Box vote alone to win.
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SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW
Board Odds Project: www.freewebs.com/slowflake/spc2k4.xls
From: smitelf | Posted: 3/25/2004 8:18:44 AM | Message Detail
Wow, today's poll doesn't look too good for Starcraft. Only 52% ever played a computer MMO game, and Starcraft is just one of them.

Not necessarily. I didn't even consider Starcraft when I voted because I never really played on Battle.net to any memorable extent (it being full of ten-year-olds or people who may as well be). Surely I'm not the only one who enjoys the single player more...err...right?
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"Your fate is sealed, and none but yours." -- Auron
Proud Supporter of Starcraft in the Spring 2004 Contest
From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 3/25/2004 8:32:53 AM | Message Detail
I wouldn't consider SC to be massively multiplayer... that's usualy reserved for games that support tens of thousands of players in a single persistant world.
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Holy schmolly, I want to be aroused by fat women! *tries* Damn it, I can't!! But you said it was my choice! Why can't I not be aroused?!?! *cries* - EvilNcr
From: Phediuk | Posted: 3/25/2004 9:55:18 AM | Message Detail
I've been lurking in these topics since Summer 2002, so it's about time that I actually posted something...

...so, what's the general consensus here on Halo vs. StarCraft?

I say Halo takes it with 55-58%. What do you guys think?
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.
From: MyWorldIsStillSquare | Posted: 3/25/2004 9:56:46 AM | Message Detail

...consider this:

For Halo to take Starcraft by 55-58%, Halo would have to do better against Starcraft than Master Chief did against Felix.

As console-biased as this damn site is, I refuse to believe that Felix, a virtual unknown, has anything on Starcraft, one of the most popular computer games of all time.

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Official Supporter of Metal Gear Solid in the SP2K4.
First to be slaughtered: Resident Evil
From: torey luvullo | Posted: 3/25/2004 10:00:29 AM | Message Detail
you guys work out the sig issue. since i am currently sigless, and care not a whit for them in any event, i will adopt anything that does not violate the TOS that the rest of you agree on.

and slowflake, if you don't want to play, i fully understand. no biggie. there's plenty of gurus on the list already to make the competition meaningful. it would suk if you beat us all but weren't on the list, but i'm guessing you would find a way to live through that heartbreak...
From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/25/2004 10:28:39 AM | Message Detail
In all honesty, I don't expect to win.

Anyway... my guess is that Halo, the game, has much more recognition than Master Chief. That's a plus, and my guess is that the anti-X-Box vote won't increase much... I guess it was at full power last year.

My prediction is Halo with 53%.
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SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW
Board Odds Project: www.freewebs.com/slowflake/spc2k4.xls
From: smitelf | Posted: 3/25/2004 4:19:12 PM | Message Detail
Anyway... my guess is that Halo, the game, has much more recognition than Master Chief. That's a plus, and my guess is that the anti-X-Box vote won't increase much... I guess it was at full power last year.

My prediction is Halo with 53%.


Yeah, MC is another Gordon Freeman, on this I think most of us can agree. Also consider that Halo wouldn't be in the number one spot if it was hated...sure, it may not deserve its seed but if people hate the Xbox so much then I doubt they would have nominated an Xbox game *at all*.

I predict Starcraft will pull off a win. This has the potential to be a close match or one of those unexpected 60/40 matches...I just don't know. Both games are (I presume) known to most people on the site but not necessarily played by the majority who come here. This is the only match where I'm letting my personal preference be the deciding factor since it's only one point and so close, anyway. And Starcraft would get to the division finals before losing to KOTOR, if I had my way...oh, well.
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"Your fate is sealed, and none but yours." -- Auron
Proud Supporter of Starcraft in the Spring 2004 Contest
From: Haste2 | Posted: 3/25/2004 4:39:12 PM | Message Detail
Well, I'm pretty much out of hope for Pac-Man beating Metroid...Metroid seems to be doing better in these board polls than I expected, and it destroyed Pac-Man in a mock tourney...

I don't know who to pick for a major upset...actually, there doesn't have to be one. There weren't any huge R1 upsets in the Summer 2002 contest...just lots of split ones. (At least I -think- Gordon vs. Tina was pretty evenly split on the Contest board...)

Meh, I admit that reasoning really gives Starcraft a HUGE advantage over Halo, but...well, it still seems almost too good to be true for that to happen. Hm, If 27% thought Felix would beat MC, don't you think 40+% are picking Starcraft for the win?

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From: Team Rocket Elite | Posted: 3/25/2004 4:50:19 PM | Message Detail
Anyway... my guess is that Halo, the game, has much more recognition than Master Chief. That's a plus, and my guess is that the anti-X-Box vote won't increase much... I guess it was at full power last year.

It depends on how many people were able to connect Master Cheif with the XBox. You can't anti-vote against what you don't know. I'm sure many would be anti-XBox voters will anti-vote Halo but not Master Cheif simply because they didn't know Master Chief was from Halo and thus the XBox. I might not effect much, but it could cost Halo the win if it's a close match.
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From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 3/25/2004 5:20:26 PM | Message Detail
Yeah, MC is another Gordon Freeman, on this I think most of us can agree

Disagreed. MC won a round, and did well against a FF7 character... even if Aeris isn't the strongest. GF couldn't even make it to Aeris and would have only taken 15-20% of the vote, tops.
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From: Who Cares? | Posted: 3/25/2004 5:35:26 PM | Message Detail
Disagreed. MC won a round, and did well against a FF7 character... even if Aeris isn't the strongest. GF couldn't even make it to Aeris and would have only taken 15-20% of the vote, tops.

I'm with Chichiri. 40% against Aeris (which is the most anybody's put up against her without actually beating her) shows that he's at least a solid character in addition to beating Felix. Gordon on the other hand, was DESTROYED by Tina Armstrong & lost to a guy that lost to Scorpion. Clearly MC is no Gordon.
From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/25/2004 5:39:48 PM | Message Detail
No, I think MC is just a huge curveball that will have a close match with jobbers and top tiers alike. Much like Mario, but to an even greater extent. The problem is, we don't know where the 50% frontier stands. And this gets even more puzzling when you throw in Halo's name recognition.
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From: Phediuk | Posted: 3/25/2004 5:42:59 PM | Message Detail
Oh, and I've got a question for solarshadow...

...are you EVER going to update the Summer 2003 Contest stats on your website?
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