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| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 3/7/2004 5:56:00 PM | Message Detail |
| Legend of Zelda 7.63% 4372 Link to the Past 26.32% 15079 Link's Awakening 4.36% 2499 Majora's Mask 4.32% 2473 Ocarina of Time 36.34% 20818 Oracle of Ages/Seasons 2.17% 1244 Wind Waker 16.4% 9394 Zelda II: Adventure of Link 2.45% 1402 TOTAL VOTES 57281 Slowflake is correct about the fanbase of the Zelda series, as I expected. However, how does comparing this poll to the "Favorite Final Fantasy" poll mean a free pass for LTTP in the divisional semifinals? I don`t get it. --- My SC2K4 Petition: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=7&topic=12558738 Boards Hunted: 3277 |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 3/7/2004 5:59:00 PM | Message Detail |
| The Final Fantasy poll: Final Fantasy 2.82% 2567 Final Fantasy II 1.24% 1128 Final Fantasy III 4.55% 4148 Final Fantasy IV 3.66% 3332 Final Fantasy V 1.67% 1521 Final Fantasy VI 14.48% 13196 Final Fantasy VII 40.41% 36823 Final Fantasy VIII 9.96% 9079 Final Fantasy IX 5.3% 4826 Final Fantasy X 11.25% 10246 Final Fantasy X-2 2.24% 2040 Final Fantasy XI 2.43% 2210 TOTAL VOTES 91116 But I still fail to see how two different polls that show the fan opinions of two different series show how LTTP beats FF6 with ease. --- My SC2K4 Petition: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=7&topic=12558738 Boards Hunted: 3277 |
| From: KrusTy the KloWn | Posted: 3/7/2004 6:11:37 PM | Message Detail |
| Hey!
I've not participated in these discussion topics all that much
(although I kind of wish I did), so, here's pretty much what I think of
Division 16: 1. Link > Mario = Crono = Samus > Kefka, roughly 2. Link > Lttp; Mario > SMW; Crono < CT; Samus < SM; Kefka < FF3/6 3. Therefore, Lttp = CT > SMW = SM = FF3/6 How I figured this so far: 1. Stats derived from the Character Battles. 2. If the character is from many games, they are superior to just one of their games or vice versa. I don't know any better way to describe this. 3. If the game was better than the character then it's status was improved, or once again, vice versa. It'll look something like this: Link -1 ---LttP---CT--- Mario -1 = Crono +1 = Samus -1 ---SMW---SM---FF3/6 Kefka +1 Now, we move on to the finals. I've not looked into this yet, but for now I have Chrono Trigger winning. --- Spring Contest: Winner: FF7 - Finalist: SMB3 - Semifinalists: CT & FFX Never underestimate the true power of fanboyism. ~CJayC |
| From: KrusTy the KloWn | Posted: 3/7/2004 6:15:39 PM | Message Detail |
| God. Could I have made my post look any more confusing? --- Spring Contest: Winner: FF7 - Finalist: SMB3 - Semifinalists: CT & FFX Never underestimate the true power of fanboyism. ~CJayC |
| From: dlcb1 | Posted: 3/7/2004 6:29:50 PM | Message Detail |
| Noteworthy
on that FF poll is that Final Fantasy VI outpolls Final Fantasy X, by a
fair margin. And many think FFX will win its division(I don't). --- ........................... |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 3/7/2004 6:30:02 PM | Message Detail |
| Well,
I'll give Ceej this : He seems to have done better with the seeding
then in the character battles. (Would be hard to do any worse, BTW) But entrusting your picks for the harder matches to nominations which probably spawned from the boards only, might be a bit unwise. I’m not basing my picks on that entirely, but come on, 6th for LttP? Third or fourth, sure, but to come in under Super Mario World in the nominations? That signals trouble to me, especially considering this is one of the earlier brackets and the classics in the first two divisions are already well-established, meaning that I don’t see much difference between board choice and voter choice occurring, outside the occasional aberration like EarthBound. As I said, I still think it can beat Super Metroid with its name brand, but FFVI, while not the strongest (or possibly even second-strongest) Final Fantasy game in this contest, is one of Square’s two big heavy hitters in the old-school arena. It is the lesser of the two, yes, but this is an RPG-biased site and I don’t see LttP going far here. Then again, I really don’t see any Zelda games getting into the final four; SMB3 will likely beat the first Zelda, Chrono Trigger would take LttP down regardless of the match with FFVI, FFVII is the favorite in the 32-64 Division, and Wind Waker isn’t a strong enough Zelda to make it past FFX. I have three out of four Zelda games being beaten by Final Fantasy counterparts of the era, and I’m comfortable with that. I am betting against a monumental RPG in favor of a monumental platformer) then I am of Prime. Also, I wonder : Does the favor of the voters stretch this far back? I've heard the sentiment that Mario 64 is actually Mario's finest game over and over lately. At least with Chrono Trigger I would know it couldn't disappoint. Who's to say Mario's popularity doesn't stem from a mix of old-school and new-school, and that the old-school part of his following alone is no match for CT? In regards to this match (SMB3 vs. CT) I would have to say that the age bracket of the voters automatically makes me inclined to favor CT. Personally, I’d rather play SMB3 any day but it’s becoming too damn old for a lot of the users in GameFAQ’s main age bracket to have played; the casual user base here isn’t going to be too familiar with anything before the SNES era in general. Add to that the fact that CT is a highly-renowned Square RPG and I think we have our winner. I haven't played Wind Waker, and this is preventing me from being sure about that one. Slowflake has casted doubt in my favor for Prime. If its regarded as Link vs Samus, I'll miss out on far more points then I want to lose. I was counting on the casual vote going to the more universally loved game, since the dislike and hate for the cell-shaded seems to be with the ones who haven't finished the game. I don’t own a GameCube but I do know that the Zelda fanbase is generally considered to be greater in size than the Metroid fanbase. I’ve got the Zelda game winning in every battle against Metroid, although I’ll admit I’m not sure about my decision to do that. --- "Your fate is sealed, and none but yours." -- Auron Proud Supporter of Starcraft in the Spring 2004 Contest |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 3/7/2004 6:31:40 PM | Message Detail |
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| From: smitelf | Posted: 3/7/2004 6:34:16 PM | Message Detail |
| Noteworthy
on that FF poll is that Final Fantasy VI outpolls Final Fantasy X, by a
fair margin. And many think FFX will win its division(I don't). I'll bet on the third most popular Final Fantasy game over the nth most popular Zelda game any day (n being greater than three). --- "Your fate is sealed, and none but yours." -- Auron Proud Supporter of Starcraft in the Spring 2004 Contest |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 3/7/2004 6:36:17 PM | Message Detail |
| Now, to Kefka (sorry, had to delete that last post because I forgot to put POSSIBLE FF SPOILERS). <begin rant> As someone has already said, Zelda popularity = Link's popularity roughly, but the same cannot be said regarding FFVI and Kefka. Hell, I don't think Sephiroth's popularity corresponds to that of his game but it sure does much more than Kefka's. Sorry Kefka fans (of which I am one, approximately) but Kefka isn't cool. You know those pictures of him in the Summer Contest '03? Remember how they universally sucked? Well, that's what Kefka looks like, folks. A loser. His lines aren't all that damn funny anymore (aside from the "monument to non-existence" thing maybe) and even if they were, he’s still just a nutty clown man with no bishounen (sp?) good looks, or style, nor did he do anything like the deed in FFVII that will not be mentioned. Sure, he took over the world but that sort of thing just won't cut it these days. In conclusion, Kefka is not Sephiroth. Kefka will never have a large percentage of his game’s fanbase behind him, regardless of the fact that he’s the most popular character in his game, or at least one of them. Remember Magus? Yeah, so think of Magus, only with Ganondorf winning by about 5,000 – 7,500 votes, and that’s where Kefka is in relation to his game. </end rant> --- "Your fate is sealed, and none but yours." -- Auron Proud Supporter of Starcraft in the Spring 2004 Contest |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 3/7/2004 6:41:42 PM | Message Detail |
| nor did he do anything like the deed in FFVII that will not be mentioned. You raised on a farm, son? </FF6 quote> *MAJOR FF6/FF7 SPOILERS* - - - - - - - Surely, we remember the little incident that happens in a little town called Thamasa, now don`t we? General Leo was far more beloved than Aeris, and him getting murdered shocked the fans of FF6. Simply put, General Leo getting killed by Kefka is a flat-out shock, as there is no reason that Leo could not beat the hell out of Kefka in a fair, one on one fight. To this day, I still don`t get how Kefka could have ever killed him. Everyone remembers the outcry from the end of disk one in FF7, correct? Well, it was the same in FF6. Everyone wanted to know how to revive Leo, and the rumors floating around were a bit insane. 4000 battles in a row in Dragon Forest was the most popular of them all. Simply put, Kefka has fans because he was Sephiroth before there was a Sephiroth. He is also more quotable, and at times, very funny. Sephiroth does not have this. Hell, I`d go as far as to say that Golbez is a better, deeper character than Sephiroth is. And mind you, Sephy is my second favorite character there is. --- My SC2K4 Petition: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=7&topic=12558738 Boards Hunted: 3277 |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 3/7/2004 7:51:50 PM | Message Detail |
| MASSIVE FFVI/VII SPOILER ALERT!!! Surely, we remember the little incident that happens in a little town called Thamasa, now don`t we? General Leo was far more beloved than Aeris, and him getting murdered shocked the fans of FF6. Uh, okay. I don't think he was more beloved than Aeris, a playable character throughout the game (I hated her but she seems to be ridiculously popular). Nor was there a cool (for the time) FMV associated with said act. Come on, now, honestly, do you see the murder of General Leo to be on par with that of Aeris? You lost a member of your party. It's different. Everyone remembers the outcry from the end of disk one in FF7, correct? Well, it was the same in FF6. Everyone wanted to know how to revive Leo, and the rumors floating around were a bit insane. 4000 battles in a row in Dragon Forest was the most popular of them all. Yeah, well, they have that phenomena in other RPGs, too. Simply put, Kefka has fans because he was Sephiroth before there was a Sephiroth. He is also more quotable, and at times, very funny. Sephiroth does not have this. Hell, I`d go as far as to say that Golbez is a better, deeper character than Sephiroth is. And mind you, Sephy is my second favorite character there is. I never said I didn't like Kefka. He was not Sephiroth, though, at least not in the meaningful ways that garnered him fans. I'm not saying Sephy is a better character but in a character contest here on GameFAQs there are very good reasons why Sephiroth would rape Kefka in a match. As I already stated, he's got the good looks, the trench coat, the sword, more of a 'mysterious' aura than Kefka, he killed Aeris, he's got cool FMVs, did I mention he's more photogenic? I never said Sephiroth was a deep character, all I said was that his popularity corresponds more to that of his game than does Kefka's, and for obvious reasons. --- "Your fate is sealed, and none but yours." -- Auron Proud Supporter of Starcraft in the Spring 2004 Contest |
| From: Starion | Posted: 3/7/2004 8:02:57 PM | Message Detail |
| The problem with that Final Fantasy poll is the number of choices; there are far too many. The games which are in the contest have around 69% of the vote. Who knows how the other 31% might vote? Would those who voted for PS1 and PS2 FFs support FFX much more than FF3/6? This applies (to a lesser degree) to the Zelda poll as well. However, I think more Zelda fans are willing to support any game in the Zelda series. |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 3/7/2004 9:24:04 PM | Message Detail |
| With each post Starion makes, I like him a little bit more. Slap on a nice big and you`re a pretty cool user, buddy :) *FF6/7 SPOILERS FOR THE REST OF THIS POST* - - - - - - Come on, now, honestly, do you see the murder of General Leo to be on par with that of Aeris? You lost a member of your party. Yes, I do. But this is a personal preference, in all honesty. I thought Aeris was a very bland character who provided very little to the story until AFTER she died. As for why she was popular, it`s simply because she died. At least this is what I`ve been told from other people who have played FF7 besides myself. Yes, I`ll admit that some people liked Aeris as a character, but then again, some people like Cait Sith. That`s one of the beauties of FF7, I guess. There is a character for every human personality to relate to. As for General Leo, his death was completely unexpected. You fight Kefka, "kill" him, then get blindsided and die. And you are the one in control of General Leo when this happens, so you as a gamer almost feel at fault. Aeris leaves the party on her own, and the game hints at her death plenty of times before it actually happens. "That girl will be a tough one, no? She must be stopped..." -Sephiroth So no, I wasn`t surprised by the death of Aeris in the least. I was surprised, and far more moved, by the deaths of Tellah and General Leo. Granted, I almost cried like everyone else during the death scene, but that wasn`t about Aeris as much as other factors. Cloud obviously loved Aeris, and put her to rest himself. This makes every guy who has felt heartbreak feel something deep inside; furthermore, I point toward the music. It speaks for itself. You give Final Fantasy 6 the technology of the Playstation, and I think we`d all be discussing the all-time power of the General Leo scene, as well. Then again, this is all a personal preference, so who knows. --- My SC2K4 Petition: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=7&topic=12558738 Boards Hunted: 3277 |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 3/7/2004 9:26:10 PM | Message Detail |
| I
liked Aeris from the beginning. Very first time I saw here I liked her.
Her spoilers had nothing to do with it, and I've yet to meet a person
IRL that actually liked her after that. Either you like her or you
don't, and what happens to her doesn't really change that. --- "Find Sister. Bone Sister. Kill Giant Tick." - Magus' plan, in the words of SemiFinal vs. Belarus |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 3/7/2004 9:28:18 PM | Message Detail |
| Yeah, that`s true. But you have to admit that part of the appeal of FF7 comes from that scene. --- My SC2K4 Petition: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=7&topic=12558738 Boards Hunted: 3277 |
| From: GoldSlime35 | Posted: 3/7/2004 9:35:08 PM | Message Detail |
| To make this easier to find later... |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 3/7/2004 10:27:45 PM | Message Detail |
| ***POSSIBLE SPOILERS FOR FFVI/VII*** Yes, I do. But this is a personal preference, in all honesty. I thought Aeris was a very bland character who provided very little to the story until AFTER she died. As for why she was popular, it`s simply because she died. At least this is what I`ve been told from other people who have played FF7 besides myself. Yes, I`ll admit that some people liked Aeris as a character, but then again, some people like Cait Sith. That`s one of the beauties of FF7, I guess. There is a character for every human personality to relate to. Well, whatever moves you, I guess. I had the Aeris thing spoiled so it didn't affect me but I sure didn't give a damn about General Leo, either. Getting back to points that are actually relevant to the contest, I'm sticking with my main message that Kefka's popularity (or lack of) is not very telling of the support FFVI in general will receive, as has been inferred by some in the topic. Kefka isn't liked as a character by everyone (or even most people) who played FFVI. Sephiroth's character-to-game popularity correlation is higher, is all I'm saying. You give Final Fantasy 6 the technology of the Playstation, and I think we`d all be discussing the all-time power of the General Leo scene, as well. Then again, this is all a personal preference, so who knows. As I said, I didn't find either death impressive personally but I can see why killing Aeris had the effect it did on people. I for one was glad to be rid of her, and even with a pretty FMV of the General's death, the fact remains that Kefka looks like a dork in every non-pixelated scene he's been in and will never win coolness points with the general voting public for his looks. Ever. I think his appearance hurt him like hell in the polls last year, not to mention that, despite being one of the more popular characters of his game, I've met plenty of people who have played FFVI and were fairly neutral toward Kefka as a villain. Crazy as ****, but an outstanding character? Nah. His character really is right up there with Pac-Man and Scorpion as far as depth goes. Sephy is only a sliver deeper but his appearance makes up for that, among other factors, but I'm trying hard not to digress into a pointless Sephy/Kefka character comparison. FFVI as a game, on the other hand, is deeper, and people appreciate the difference between being in love with the game and in love with a character from the game, and that the former does not mean one is obligated to the latter. --- "Your fate is sealed, and none but yours." -- Auron Proud Supporter of Starcraft in the Spring 2004 Contest |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 3/7/2004 10:35:19 PM | Message Detail |
| You know, I`d like to say one thing before turning in tonight. I`ve gone back tp picking Link to the Past to beat FF6, Chrono Trigger, and Mario 3 before losing in the final. I just don`t like going against my gut instinct very much. --- My SC2K4 Petition: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=7&topic=12558738 Boards Hunted: 3277 |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 3/8/2004 12:26:11 AM | Message Detail |
| The
more I look at it, the more I realize that we may the only board on
this whole site with any decent discussion going on about this contest. Besides, FF7 might not win. It's got some stiff competition from FFX. The OTHER Final Fantasy title that too many people entered the genre on. (No offense; I like the entire series. But they don't rank among my all-time favorites.) Plus, the people from Big N's side of the fence will likely go after... whatever the latest Mario title is. The jolly fat man in red's got history to build on, just like the FFs. Slightly more, in fact. Plus, while more popular than the niche genre it started out as, RPGs are still not the biggest genre with some people. I`m not going to say where I got that post from, or who made it. I will say, however, that most of it is completely misinformed. Furthermore, the topic I gathered this information from featured very wierd posts. People saying that the gamespy poll meant certain success for Chrono Trigger in our contest, people thinking that "the latest Mario title will win it all" (are people aware that the latest title is Sunshine??), things to that effect. Sure, we may be worried about too many of our brackets being alike, but trust me, go look at a few of the boards that these games belong to. Most people don`t care about this contest at all, leading me to believe that one lucky match will spell victory for someone who doesn`t care about this contest. Reminds me of those people who travel across five states to play a 200 million dollar lottery and actually win. --- My SC2K4 Petition: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=7&topic=12558738 Boards Hunted: 3277 |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 3/8/2004 12:27:43 AM | Message Detail |
| Oh,
and I`ve regained my senses. Chrono Trigger is pretty much a lock to
win its division, I HOPE. Link to the Past can also cause some damage,
but if I`m picking one Zelda to lose to a Final Fantasy, I have to pick
that way across the board. We are voters of habit in these contests. Then again, if LTTP, OOT, and WW all beat FF6, FF7, and FFX, I`m essentially boned. --- My SC2K4 Petition: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=7&topic=12558738 Boards Hunted: 3277 |
| From: creativename | Posted: 3/8/2004 1:35:28 AM | Message Detail |
| Chichiri: Yes, PS has the brand name appeal, what with PSO out there on 3 consoles, but is that enough to put the least liked game in the series over a game that was very well known and liked in its day? We can't take PS's bigger rival, FF, as an example either, as none if its weaker games (popularity-wise) made it I don't think you can compare the original Final Fantasy to the original Phantasy Star at all; the original Final Fantasy is not relying so much on the franchise name as people think. Final Fantasy was a pretty big NES hit, and other than Dragon Warrior the first really successful console RPG in North America. It didn't make the conest solely because of series fanboyism sparking some sort of retro-love for an unpopular game; it was popular at the time on its own merits. The original Phantasy Star was almost nothing. Barely anyone played this game, because barely anyone had the Master System. I just don't even see Contra vs. Phantasy Star being close. How can Phantasy Star even get 40% against Contra? I would be very surprised if that happened. This match just doesn't seem like it will be contested hotly. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Contra pull 70+% of the vote here. And this may be heresy to some here, but I think Contra will give Final Fantasy a real run. Contra was a NES powerhouse. And the fact that it got enough nominations to be in, means that people still remember it, and fondly. philsov: I`m pretty sure you could just replace "Metroid/Pac Man" with "Phantasy Star/Contra" in that post. It`s the same philosophy, methinks. Not at all...you can't even compare, this is two totally different sitautions. Contra was on the NES, and while the NES isnt' on the level of the SNES or the PlayStation at this site, it's still big. SMB3 has a great shot to win this whole contest, and it's from the NES. Pac-Man is an arcade game, and wouldn't be big anywhere except on niche arcade-centric sites (or Penny Arcade, heh). cyko: but Metroid is a big enough series where its series might carry it past Pac-Man Uh...you're KIDDING, right? There's no way Metroid needs its series to beat Pac-Man. Metroid was one of the top NES games; it was one of the most popular and famous games of its era. It would crush Pac-Man at this site without any series support whatsoever. Don't assume after Metroid whoops on Pac-Man, that series support will help Phantasy Star. While it may, Metroid is no indication of this. red sox 777: Then again, in the OoT vs. FF7 topic that has 150+ posts, OoT is actually leading... This means nothing. ANYTHING can beat FF7 on the boards. The game is just too reviled here. dethwing: There is no reason to not put forth the same quality analysis about the "one point matches" as the later ones Of course there is. The current scoring system gives very little reward for bothering with close 1st round matches. It's all about predicting who wins it all, and which games survive late. If you don't pick the winner correctly, you will not even come close to the leader board. And as we've seen, predicting the winner in these contests is tough; the favorite has yet to win. That's why picking the winner is the most important thing, by far. It would be far wiser for the bracket-maker to spend his time trying to decide his Final Four and finals result, rather than worrying about Donkey Kong vs. Duck Hunt. You just can't compare the importance of that match to, say, Chrono Trigger vs. Super Mario Bros. 3 (if that match happens, which is far from certain). The early round match-ups aren't worth the bother. That's why I don't like this scoring system; too little reward for what is actually difficult. They're just as fun to analyze, though. --- Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4! |
| From: creativename | Posted: 3/8/2004 1:45:00 AM | Message Detail |
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| From: creativename | Posted: 3/8/2004 1:53:54 AM | Message Detail |
| One
more thing about Phantasy Star vs. Contra: I'm not overly confident
that Contra will win this, because if the match is giving people this
many problems, there's obviously something there. I don't don't want to
give people the impression I'm positive Contra will win, because I'm
not at all. Honestly though, if I really had to make a prediction, I'd
say Contra wins going away. Ulti: Hell, I`d go as far as to say that Golbez is a better, deeper character than Sephiroth is. And mind you, Sephy is my second favorite character there is. I LOVE Golbez!! He truly PWNed! Few characters have ever radiated PWNitude as much as Golbez. FF7 SPOILERS ahead: As for why she was popular, it`s simply because she died Nah. Maybe this increases her popularity, but I remember she was quite a popular image even before the game came out. Her character was hyped before release, probably because she was "pretty". I think that if they were in a character contest, Tifa, Red XIII, Vincent, Cid Highwind, and Barret might actually perform very close to Aeris; and they obviously didn't have any memorable death scenes. But you have to admit that part of the appeal of FF7 comes from that scene Most likely a neglible part. Again, you have to remember: FF7 was massively hyped up and very popular before it ever came out. Memorable scenes like that contributed to the love that people had after playing it, and why it lived up to the hype better than just about anything ever has; but just that one thing alone probably isn't too important to the game's current popularity. You know, I'm just really confused by hearing stuff like this, too. I remember last year, people were actually saying Sephiroth was popular in large part because of what he did to Aeris. But Cloud and Sephiroth were plastered everywhere before the game came out, and both would be immensely popular because of the game's art direction, even if the whole Aeris thing never happened. Same for the game as a whole. It was a groundbreaking game. This one part is just what a lot of people remember best, but even if it never happened, it's very doubtful the popularity of the game or its characters would be affected much. Chrono Trigger is pretty much a lock to win its division, I HOPE I hope so too, but I think Chrono Trigger isn't nearly a lock. It's an insane division. I think that A Link to the Past, FFVI, and maybe Super Metroid and Super Mario World would be able to beat anything in the 128 division. I believe that when the extrapolated rankings can be calculated, each of those games will rank very high, even though obviously some of them will be knocked out very early. In fact, I think Sonic 2 will actually be pretty strong, even though almost everyone expects it to lose in the first round. Chrono Trigger is the clear-cut favorite in its division though, and while I do think it'll win, IMO it's very questionable. I could definitely see A Link to the Past beating it. --- Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4! |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 3/8/2004 3:25:28 AM | Message Detail |
| Everyone
exepects Sonic 2 to lose in the first round? And yes, Golbez =
PWNitude. He was one of the deepest characters to ever be in an RPG, in
my opinion. And I will say this. The first round matches in which the winner will obviously lose in the next round mean very little. When we say it is only one point, trust us, it is only one point. It is the matches that will make or break your chances on the leaderboard that you need to worry about. Sure, Halo vs Starcraft is creating a buzz, but in reality, Final Fantasy 7 vs Suikoden 2 is the more important first round match. Simply put, if FF7 were to lose, many people would have some screwed up brackets, whereas it doesn`t matter who wins the Starcraft/Halo match, as the probability of either game taking down Kingdom Hearts is very slim. And no, I don`t think FF7 will lose. I`m just making a point. --- My SC2K4 Petition: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=7&topic=12558738 Boards Hunted: 3277 |
| From: creativename | Posted: 3/8/2004 3:45:03 AM | Message Detail |
| Everyone exepects Sonic 2 to lose in the first round? Whoops. I meant 2nd ;) I believe the match against Super Mario World will be close, and I think Sonic 2 would fare very well against some of the 128 heavyweights. --- Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4! |
| From: cyko | Posted: 3/8/2004 4:36:32 AM | Message Detail |
|
the fact remains that Kefka looks like a dork in every non-pixelated
scene he's been in and will never win coolness points with the general
voting public for his looks. Ever. I think his appearance hurt him like
hell in the polls last year, i completely agree. you couldn't even recognize Kefka in that first picture. looks do matter in the Character Contest. Besides, FF7 might not win. It's got some stiff competition from FFX. The OTHER Final Fantasy title that too many people entered the genre on. (No offense; I like the entire series. But they don't rank among my all-time favorites.) Plus, the people from Big N's side of the fence will likely go after... whatever the latest Mario title is. The jolly fat man in red's got history to build on, just like the FFs. Slightly more, in fact. Plus, while more popular than the niche genre it started out as, RPGs are still not the biggest genre with some people. XD that is hilarious, Ultim! --- Please go nominate Secret of Mana for SNES. Right Now. A Cheese Legend of Trivia 12 |
| From: creativename | Posted: 3/8/2004 5:48:42 AM | Message Detail |
| i completely agree. you couldn't even recognize Kefka in that first picture. looks do matter in the Character Contest As I said in the other thread, there is absolutely no convincing reason to believe this. The only reason to think so is people not living up to prior expectations (e.g., Kefka vs. Pac-Man, Link vs. Cloud). But in the case of Kefka, his performance against Crono was far poorer than his performance against Pac-Man, when comparing the results with 2002; this is likely due to SFF, but it implies the exact opposite of what would be expected if the picture mattered. And of course the Link vs. Cloud result was predictable with extrapolated results, and also made perfect sense in light of what happened in the final. There is no need to make up an explanatory factor such as "looks matter". I want to believe that Kefka would be a lot more popular with a better pic, but it probably just isn't the case. ...but good lord, that pic sucked. <shudders> --- Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4! |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 3/8/2004 6:47:47 AM | Message Detail |
| Creative:
Yeah, but an RPG fanbase in the NES days was what, a couple thousand
people? If there were more than 50,000 copies of FF floating around in
english I'd be a bit surprised... and most of the people who played it
back then aren't around now. --- "Find Sister. Bone Sister. Kill Giant Tick." - Magus' plan, in the words of SemiFinal vs. Belarus |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 3/8/2004 8:16:38 AM | Message Detail |
| As
I said in the other thread, there is absolutely no convincing reason to
believe this. The only reason to think so is people not living up to
prior expectations (e.g., Kefka vs. Pac-Man, Link vs. Cloud). But in
the case of Kefka, his performance against Crono was far poorer than
his performance against Pac-Man, when comparing the results with 2002;
this is likely due to SFF, but it implies the exact opposite of what
would be expected if the picture mattered. How can you compare Kefka's performance against Pac-Man to his performance against Crono? Crono is a heavyweight and Pac-Man shouldn't have even been there after 2002. And his pic looked ghastly in both instances, which is pathetic since his second picture is the best pic of Kefka you will ever find. Pics aren't the only reason he lost; it was a combination of lack of coolness factor and the lack of universal popularity for his character in general among fans of FFVI. But against Crono, he never had a chance to begin with. --- "Your fate is sealed, and none but yours." -- Auron Proud Supporter of Starcraft in the Spring 2004 Contest |
| From: nifboy | Posted: 3/8/2004 12:37:29 PM | Message Detail |
| If there were more than 50,000 copies of FF floating around in english I'd be a bit surprised... Depends, do you count ROMs? --- "We seek as much data - raw facts, direct experience - as we can, and then we make up our own minds." - J. Moore |
| From: MMXcalibur | Posted: 3/8/2004 1:22:07 PM | Message Detail |
| In the hotly debated 32/64 bit division, I expect Super Metroid to get to the Division Semifinals before bowing out to FFIII. 1) I factor in that Zelda is going to feel a lot more of the anti-Nintendo angst then Metroid will. 2) That 3rd seed for Super Metroid is HUGE in a division that features some of the best GAMES of ALL time. People nominated this game 3 seeds better than it's opponent in LttP. While I love LttP to death, it just can't convince me to put it past another fantastic game in Super Metroid. Chrono Trigger will ride the winds blown by Square fans at this site to a 32/64 division crown. --- HOT AND SEXY Prophet Challenge action!!!: http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/ |
| From: Captain Roy Falcon | Posted: 3/8/2004 1:25:07 PM | Message Detail |
| Fools. Do you really think KH has a chance against Starcraft? Korea knows about this contest. You have been warned. --- I am an army of 0.999~. -SDF 1 All Your pH level>7 Are Belong To Us. - DarkRaptorX || Karma-Pimp of the FESB |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 3/8/2004 1:33:44 PM | Message Detail |
| 1) I factor in that Zelda is going to feel a lot more of the anti-Nintendo angst then Metroid will. There's a significant anti-Nintendo vote? As in, one that extends beyond whatever some extremists may voice on the boards? 2) That 3rd seed for Super Metroid is HUGE in a division that features some of the best GAMES of ALL time. People nominated this game 3 seeds better than it's opponent in LttP. Another match to hate. Going by the seeding Super Metroid looks very appealing but remember what CJay said about underestimating fanboyism. Zelda has a broader fanbase than Metroid as a series. That's why I'm betting on LttP. Still hate this match, though... --- "Your fate is sealed, and none but yours." -- Auron Proud Supporter of Starcraft in the Spring 2004 Contest |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/8/2004 2:18:42 PM | Message Detail |
| Smitelf said what I would have said, only it came off better. I just laugh nowadays when people factor in a non-factor and end up screwing up. The safest prediction I can make about that match is that it will be closer than 62-38. That I guarantee. But I doubt the difference between OoT and LttP is significant enough to make LttP lose 12 points. Then again, I made the same kind of estimates for Luigi/Squall, and I burned myself. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW |
| From: DomaDragoon | Posted: 3/8/2004 2:50:09 PM | Message Detail |
| If
there were more than 50,000 copies of FF floating around in english I'd
be a bit surprised... and most of the people who played it back then
aren't around now. *cough Final Fantasy Origins cough* Think about this - the top 5 games in Bracket 8 have been re-released in the past two years. (Except Tetris, which finds its way on nearly every console known to man anyway). Metal Gear got re-released in Japan with Twin Snakes and a Gamecube. Metroid: Zero Mission, River City Ransom Advance... a lot of the old games probably got nominated because of their remakes and ports. We can't afford to think "Nobody knows ______", because odds are the voters do know. --- RPGP/RPGDL Contributor "DragoonJay"; Smart Ask! National Champion (2003) Chanting Monks www.rpgdl.com |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/8/2004 2:52:35 PM | Message Detail |
| But the nominators are likely more educated than the ones who actually vote in the poll. I think it might work. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 3/8/2004 6:47:45 PM | Message Detail |
| the message clearly asid "in the NES days", so it was fully implied that roms and rereleases weren't a factor. --- "Find Sister. Bone Sister. Kill Giant Tick." - Magus' plan, in the words of SemiFinal vs. Belarus |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 3/8/2004 7:09:52 PM | Message Detail |
| This topic is not allowed to go slowly. Anyhoo, I hate Link to the Past in this contest. It may either lose to Super Metroid, or make the final. Crazy little contest we have here. --- MIASU!! My SC2K4 Petition: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=7&topic=12558738 |
| From: Enoch Camas | Posted: 3/8/2004 7:20:27 PM | Message Detail |
| The
only remaining first round match that's troubling me is DK vs. Duck
Hunt. At first I chose DK without even thinking, but I changed it to
Duck Hunt recently because of a gut feeling. Don't know why, but I just don't see the old arcade game doing too well. That, and I believe Duck Hunt would pwn Aya Brea. --- "Delicious morsel! Let me get my bib...!" - Ultros "To be forgotten is worse than death...." - Freya Crescent |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 3/8/2004 7:51:50 PM | Message Detail |
| If
a Zelda is going to win tihs contest I hope its LttP or the original...
so it's iffy ability to make it to the finals could turn out to be
pleasing for me... even though I'd lose a crap-load of points. --- "Find Sister. Bone Sister. Kill Giant Tick." - Magus' plan, in the words of SemiFinal vs. Belarus |
| From: revamparts | Posted: 3/8/2004 8:13:47 PM | Message Detail |
| a little note about this whole anti-pokemon poo...and it IS poo... most people coming to this site, are a little more "mature" than your average joe. why? because although this site is well known, i know too many who actually go to sites like gamespot, and fps, or sports lop sided sites for all their info. your average gamer that actually gets ahold of this sites url, probably eats chips with his buddies while loping heads of in vice city, and rocket launching others in halo...because it's manly (sorry women). I love pokemon, (lights candle, chants chinese song), but so many people coming here to vote will look at the pole with pokemon in it, think..."hmmm...pikachu is a h*mos*x*al..." or something dumb like that. then voting for the other choice instantaneously. whether it be xenogears or not. pokemon is pretty much dead to anyone who doesnt persue the ACTUAL future of the series, and i can say with confidence that pokemon hate is all that maters there... man...i love this site..hehehe.... --- currently playing: ff5, samurai showdown 4 special |
| From: solarshadow | Posted: 3/8/2004 8:19:27 PM | Message Detail |
| This topic is not allowed to go slowly. Gives me a chance to catch up. *pants* I should be taking this opportunity to comment on contest-related issues, but I can't help but weigh in on the Kefka/Sephy issue instead. ***MAJOR SPOILERS FOR FFVI/VII*** There is something far more sinister about Kefka than Sephiroth. I always felt that killing General Leo (while tragic) was the least of that scene. The slaughter of a dozen or so espers was by far the greater crime. Nothing has been more effective in setting me against an antagonist than that. Sephiroth I understand: his action was a calculated step towards a greater goal. Kefka lacked a method to his madness, and absolutely gave the impression of a man killing for killing's sake. His thirst for power, destruction, and death left no doubt in my mind that he was anything other than pure evil. I can still recall my feeling of horrified helplessness as Kefka went about killing one esper after another while I did nothing. Still, Aeris' scene was more moving, but that was because of who Aeris was. Her innocence and love of life made her untimely death particularly unjust. That she was able to help life thrive in the face of death (symbolized in part by the flower garden in the Midgar slums) made her ultimate sacrifice for the lives of others seem that much more unfair. Sephiroth killed her, but Aeris died. With General Leo, we knew he was a good guy, but we didn't have an opportunity to really explore or identify with his character. General Leo died, but Kefka killed him. Kefka's nihilistic tendencies were more villainous than Sephiroth's confused identity quest. Not that that really means anything to the contest. But hey, it's fun to discuss. P.S. Just out of curiosity, when do spoiler warnings expire for a game? I mean, if a game's been out for 5-10 years, isn't that enough time for anyone who was interested to have played it? Do we still have to warn people before revealing the ending of the Sixth Sense if they haven't yet seen the movie? Is it unreasonable to expect people to already be familiar with the plot of major games? For example, I expect virtually everybody who is reading this topic to know what happens in FFVII and most of the other popular games in this contest. Just wondering if there is (or should be) a practical limit for spoilers. Eventually, people are either going to have played a game or never will. --- Contest Stats: http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 3/8/2004 8:21:00 PM | Message Detail |
| most people coming to this site, are a little more "mature" than your average joe. Where in the nine hells did you get that idea? why? because although this site is well known, i know too many who actually go to sites like gamespot, and fps, or sports lop sided sites for all their info. your average gamer that actually gets ahold of this sites url, probably eats chips with his buddies while loping heads of in vice city, and rocket launching others in halo Again, where are you getting these insane ideas? People here play Zelda and Square RPGs. There are still the FPS fans but, this being a FAQ site, games that tend to need more in the way of outside info (such as RPGs, strategy, etc.) have their fanbase magnified here. I love pokemon, (lights candle, chants chinese song), but so many people coming here to vote will look at the pole with pokemon in it, think..."hmmm...pikachu is a h*mos*x*al..." or something dumb like that. then voting for the other choice instantaneously. whether it be xenogears or not. pokemon is pretty much dead to anyone who doesnt persue the ACTUAL future of the series, and i can say with confidence that pokemon hate is all that maters there... People don't hate Pokemon here. For the trillionth time, go look at which FAQs are #1 for GameBoy, GBC, and GBA. Yes, all Pokemon. Excellent. Can we move off the baseless anti-Pokemon vote crap now? --- "Your fate is sealed, and none but yours." -- Auron Proud Supporter of Starcraft in the Spring 2004 Contest |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 3/8/2004 8:27:58 PM | Message Detail |
| *POSSIBLE SPOILERS FOR SOME RANDOM SQUARE TITLES AND REAL-WORLD EVENTS* P.S. Just out of curiosity, when do spoiler warnings expire for a game? I mean, if a game's been out for 5-10 years, isn't that enough time for anyone who was interested to have played it? You would think so, wouldn't you? I don't particularly like this policy of GameFAQs. EVERYONE knows that Aeris died. Here's more "spoilers": Hitler lost WWII, George W. Bush won the 2000 presidential election, and Kingdom Hearts has Sephiroth in it. Hello automod. --- "Your fate is sealed, and none but yours." -- Auron Proud Supporter of Starcraft in the Spring 2004 Contest |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 3/8/2004 8:32:55 PM | Message Detail |
| Yeah,
the spoilers rule is absolutely the dumbest in the TOS, but it's not
changing anytime soon. Jus thope you get lucky and don't get marked if
you forget. --- "Find Sister. Bone Sister. Kill Giant Tick." - Magus' plan, in the words of SemiFinal vs. Belarus |
| From: Kirin17 | Posted: 3/8/2004 9:07:20 PM | Message Detail |
| Does
everyone here really think that even if Starcraft beats Halo, it'll
lose to KH? I mean the game was so popular and losing to KH I had
Starcraft going pretty far actually... --- To be complete, that would mean it would be the end, right? - Ryoma Echizen |
| From: Team Rocket Elite | Posted: 3/8/2004 9:13:06 PM | Message Detail |
| Pokemon
Colosseum is coming out on March 22. How much of an effect do you think
this will have on the match? As of right now, Pokemon Colosseum is the
7th GameCube FAQ, 7th Gamecube Message Board and 42nd overall FAQ. About Spoiler Warnings. They never expire. The reasoning is there is still at least one person who hasn't seen Star Wars, played FF7, found out who the villan of Mario 1 is, etc. Historical events do not count as spoilers. So you are free to say things like the Berlin wall fell, or the Liberals won the last election. The exception is if you are refering a movie about the historical event. So if you are talking about the movie Titanic, you can't give away what happens to the boat. --- Do you have any advice for filling out our brackets? ''Never underestimate the true power of fanboyism.'' ~CjayC |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 3/8/2004 9:55:24 PM | Message Detail |
| They
never expire. The reasoning is there is still at least one person who
hasn't seen Star Wars, played FF7, found out who the villan of Mario 1
is, etc. Historical events do not count as spoilers. Yes, yes, I know historical events aren't spoilers, I was just being facetious :) Really, though, if you haven't seen Star wars or played FFVII by now then I don't see why our discussion should be stunted just because you're 6-7 years behind the times. And the Titanic sunk on its first voyage in the wee hours of April 15th, 1912. --- "Your fate is sealed, and none but yours." -- Auron Proud Supporter of Starcraft in the Spring 2004 Contest |
| From: Starion | Posted: 3/8/2004 11:01:55 PM | Message Detail |
| I think in most cases, there will always be a few people who may not know what happens to the games. I see this all the time whenever I visit an older game's board. Anyway, what is so difficult about placing a spoiler warning in the topic title? |
| From: Tarrot | Posted: 3/8/2004 11:41:42 PM | Message Detail |
| The final straw in the Kefka/Sephiroth debate: Kefka destroyed the world, Sephiroth didn't. My thoughts: 8 bit: FF goes down to Mario 3 since even with the 8-Bit Theatre vote, Mario 3 was a superior game. Zelda goes down to Tetris, as while Zelda was good, Tetris is arguabally the most well known game of all time. In the finals, I took Tetris as an upset pick, as I think there will be enough anti-Mario people to help out the "Scorpion" of the tournament. 16 Bit: CT over Mario World, as Mario World is not universally loved. Mario RPG will nto be a factor, as SF2 will take it out. FFVI over Zelda:LttP, as I just don't think LttP has enough to take out VI. In the finals, I look at 2 factors: The GF boards, and the fanboys. There are more FF Fanboys then CT ones, barely, and FFVI outranks CT in both the FAQs and the Board listing, thus, FFVI will barely edge out CT. 32/64: In my upset of the tournament, FFT takes out FFVII. Notice that in the pool for FF, FFT was discluded. On the boards, FFT is right up with FFVII as the most popular PS game. In addition, there will be quite a few people out to vote against FFVII, as it is the odds on favorite to win, and this looks to be it's best round to fall. Symphony of the Night has enough of a following to pull off upsets over Perfect Dark & Goldeneye, before falling to Oricana of Time, which will then beat FFT. 128: Until the release of The Sims, Starcraft was the best selling game of all time, so I think it will win handily against Halo, KH, and Wind Waker, the weakest of the Zelda games. SSBM will not have an easy time, but shoudl be able to beat MGS2 *very hated game*, GTA:VC *proven before to not be as big as it seems* and FFX *2nd worst of the FF games, behind 1* going down. SC doesn't have enough support to stop the last hope of Mario though, so SSBM will win. Final 4: Tetris finally bows out to FFVI after an impressive showing, and Zelda fanboys prove once again they're greater then Mario fanboys, leading to FFVI vs. Oricana of Time. Here, the Mario fanboys act as an anti-vote coming off the loss, so I think FFVI will barely take it over Oricana. |
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