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| From: solarshadow | Posted: 3/7/2004 8:33:59 AM | Message Detail |
| The discussion rages on. Already 500 pre-season posts and the contest is still nearly a month away. Please, continue. The links: Summer 2002 Contest Solarshadow's stats website: http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com The stats topic: http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html Summer 2003 Contest Solarshadow's stats website: http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com First stats topic: http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html Second stats topic: MISSING Third stats topic: http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note) 2003-2004 Off-Season First topic: http://membres.lycos.fr/shindohikaru/stats1.htm (See note) Second topic: MISSING Third topic: ? Fourth topic: ? Spring 2004 Pre-Season First topic: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=8&topic=12878412 (Until purge) Note: Don't use the links in the topic to browse through the pages, change the page number in the URL. --- Contest Stats: http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com |
| From: This Name is Dumb | Posted: 3/7/2004 8:34:28 AM | Message Detail |
| Duck Hunt will win it all. --- Mega64 / Wylvane http://www.mega64.com |
| From: Seadragon76 | Posted: 3/7/2004 8:35:28 AM | Message Detail |
| Alright, Which match will have the biggest upset of the 1st Round? --- Uncle Seadragon wants you to support Fighting games in the 2004 Spring contest! Fighters Left: SFII, MK, SC, SSBM |
| From: DaruniaTheKing | Posted: 3/7/2004 8:36:29 AM | Message Detail |
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| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 3/7/2004 8:37:17 AM | Message Detail |
| Ahh, much better. So as I was going to say: I highly doubt Ceej double counted Halo if it was on a person's bracket, so that isn't likely to have helped. Beyond that I find it very likely that Halo fans nominated it on the Xbox 95% for the fact that Halo fans are FPS fans, and the PC has an abundance of FPS games to be nominated that are all quite excellent while the Xbox has the one FPS that stands out. **Are there any FPS games on the Xbox other than Halo? I wouldn't know... and if there are, can any of them compete with Halo for even 10-15 votes? SInce I haven't heard of any, that wouldn't seem likely... --- "Find Sister. Bone Sister. Kill Giant Tick." - Magus' plan, in the words of SemiFinal vs. Belarus |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 3/7/2004 8:43:39 AM | Message Detail |
| Biggest
upset is so hard to tell... I think Contra can take down PS, and that
would be a pretty big upset in seeding. Many predictors seem to think
that PS has the advantage, but even though this is an RPG-biased site I
STILL don't think PS has the mainstream appeal to take that match. Yes, PS has the brand name appeal, what with PSO out there on 3 consoles, but is that enough to put the least liked game in the series over a game that was very well known and liked in its day? We can't take PS's bigger rival, FF, as an example either, as none if its weaker games (popularity-wise) made it.... baring FF as it is the original and should do well enough regardless of it no longer holding up as well as it once did. Other than that I also believe SotN can take down PD, and even GE should fate deem it so. That too would be a pretty big upset and one we can't yet dismiss off hand. Basically anything we talked about for page after page in the last topic has a good chance of making a big splash... that and Starcraft could, with any luck, be the biggest seeding upset ever (and biggest possible, of course). --- "Find Sister. Bone Sister. Kill Giant Tick." - Magus' plan, in the words of SemiFinal vs. Belarus |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/7/2004 8:51:52 AM | Message Detail |
| There's the big problem... Contra was big in its day.
Half the GameFAQs population is 17 or younger. Now, I have no idea how
many people in the other half have played Contra, but I sure as hell am
not one of them. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW |
| From: Haste2 | Posted: 3/7/2004 9:05:12 AM | Message Detail |
| There's a Phantasy Star collection for GBA?! O_O Must buy, must buy! Perhaps Xenogears can take out Pokemon GSC? First of all, I don't think the Gold/Silver/Crystal versions don't have the support of the Red/Blue/Yellow versions. I've seen discussion at these boards about Pokemon, and it seems way more have played the RBY version. (Anyone who's played GSC almost certainly played RBY, too) Also (I know it's another site), at a Gamespy "Greatest Game Contest" Pokemon RBY got 12% against Zelda: OoT. That just blows my mind. Something that sold millions and millions of copies... It's the biggest margin of win there so far, too. Now, the site is much smaller, and seems to be more PC-dominated, and probably isn't quite as big on RPGs...would all those REALLY dumb down Pokemon's suport that much? I'd expect a smaller site to be less mainstream (CT actually beat FF7 there, too), and thus generally support Pokemon more, actually. Could it be the opposite? Or worse yet, could it be Nintendo SFF that caused the blowout? Still, they don't seem all that related... --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| From: DuffMcWhalen | Posted: 3/7/2004 9:12:31 AM | Message Detail |
| Perhaps Xenogears can take out Pokemon GSC? Nay, only anti votes would make it, Xenogears is one of Square's less known RPGs and Pokemon is one of the most popular games on the site. --- DUFFMCWHALEN is teh GREATEST!!!!!!!! DUFFMCWHALEN in 2004!!!! DUFFMCOWNED!!!!!! |
| From: daniel2424 | Posted: 3/7/2004 9:15:46 AM | Message Detail |
| Does
anyone else have a problem predicting the top half of the 128 Division?
I've changed my thoughts on that about 10 times and I still don't like
what I have there now, which is Kingdom Hearts. Especially since at the
beginning I had it losing to Soul Calibur... --- If you think the fastest way to a man's heart is through his stomach, you're aiming about 8 inches too high. GO AVALANCHE! |
| From: Cromage | Posted: 3/7/2004 9:17:45 AM | Message Detail |
| Heh,
I have the same problem. Most of it is that I don't have an X-box,
don't play online games like StarCraft, and haven't been keeping up
with the GC releases like Metroid Prime. But I have the feeling that
that division (and the one before it) will make or break all of us. --- http://crolapras.tripod.com/archivist.html ~Archivist of the SC2k3 board..... a year late. |
| From: dethwing | Posted: 3/7/2004 9:29:52 AM | Message Detail |
| I think you mean the 16 bit. Aside from the final, the 32/64 bit is as easy as the 8bit. --- Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth ---Burlap to Cashmere |
| From: Qwaar | Posted: 3/7/2004 9:31:34 AM | Message Detail |
| "don't play online games like StarCraft" SC is best offline either on LAN or against the CPU IMHO.Battlenet isn't exactly the nicest place to be, and unless you started early with Starcraft, your gonna get creamed anyway. --- Proud Supporter of OoT and Starcraft In SC2K4! |
| From: Cromage | Posted: 3/7/2004 9:32:03 AM | Message Detail |
| Well, yes. The operative words being "except the final." --- http://crolapras.tripod.com/archivist.html ~Archivist of the SC2k3 board..... a year late. |
| From: red sox 777 | Posted: 3/7/2004 9:32:06 AM | Message Detail |
| I
don't see how not having KH behind it will affect the FFVII vs. OoT
match to the extent you seem to think it will. First of all, KH did
help FFVII by making those who played it want to play some of the FF
games they'd never played before, so I'd still say FFVII got a slight
boost from KH. Not that it will matter because FFVII has been one of
the top ten FAQs here since the dawn of time while OoT has floundered
somewhere in the top 50. If this weren't GameFAQs, OoT would have a
much better chance. As it is, this is GameFAQs, and Square RPGs rule
this realm. You're assuming with your analysis that OoT would beat
FFVII had this contest taken place before Kingdom Hearts. I don't think
that is the case. And the game rankings at various game sites are
irrelevant here; as I said, this is GameFAQs and has a different
community than gaming sites in general. Do you really believe the
"prestige" vote will go to OoT here? I think not. That sort of vote
should balance out evenly enough at this site to make it irrelevant. That was from the last topic. Yes, I am assuming that without Kingdom Hearts, Ocarina of Time would beat Final Fantasy VII. My reason is Link vs. Sephiroth 2002, where Link beat Sephiroth by 5 or 6%. True, Link is probably slightly stronger than OoT, and FFVII is probably a bit stronger than Sephiroth. Is that enough to cover Link's 15,000 vote victory margin? (at a time where there were less votes per poll) I don't think so. As for the "prestige" vote, I was talking about the group of people that have never played either OoT or FFVII but have played Kingdom Hearts, a group which is close to non-existence on GameFAQs. Then, I was saying that while the majority of this group would go to FFVII, quite a few would also go to OoT. Thus, my 2nd case where KHF did help FF7 would not be quite as strong as otherwise. I'll agree with you, though, that this vote block (of people who have played KH but not OoT or FF7 but vote OoT) is totally irrelevant, being miniscule. That whole paragraph was about how KHF would help FF7 to a degree, and I guess the wording wasn't perfect. Anyway, FF7 should have more predictions to win this match, and thus, supposing a 50/50 chance of victory for either game (This is not the case in my mind), OoT would be the better choice. Then again, in the OoT vs. FF7 topic that has 150+ posts, OoT is actually leading... --- Red Sox Magic Number to To Win World Series: 164 Oh, Mario vs. Crono? Not a question of whether Mario will win or not, but HOW. - Slowflake |
| From: red sox 777 | Posted: 3/7/2004 9:33:51 AM | Message Detail |
| Alright, Which match will have the biggest upset of the 1st Round? Based on seeding, Starcraft vs. Halo has potential. --- Red Sox Magic Number to To Win World Series: 164 Oh, Mario vs. Crono? Not a question of whether Mario will win or not, but HOW. - Slowflake |
| From: red sox 777 | Posted: 3/7/2004 9:38:33 AM | Message Detail |
| Will any of these blessings/curses be broken this year? The Blessing of the South-2 Seed -Every South-2 has reached the finals. The Curse of the 3 Seed -3 seeds seem to always fall short of what that number would indicate. 5 Seeds vs. 4 Seeds -No 4 seed has ever beaten a 5 seed. The Curse of the Shortest Odds -No character, having the most brackets to win, has been able to win. Mario vs. Crono -Can Crono finally defeat Mario? --- Red Sox Magic Number to To Win World Series: 164 Oh, Mario vs. Crono? Not a question of whether Mario will win or not, but HOW. - Slowflake |
| From: philsov | Posted: 3/7/2004 9:41:02 AM | Message Detail |
| People
still think Contra may beat Phantasy Star? While I have no problems
agreeing how this may very well, happen, here`s my reasoning for
picking Phantasy Star: Metroid vs Pac Man - Metroid was the first game in a series of games, all of which are better than the original. Pac Man was big in its day, (quoting someone from the other topic), but this is gamefaqs. The namesake within a series could easily win based on name value alone. And furthermore, Pac Man has yet to put out a game better than the original. Personally, I think this all means +1 for everyone that picked Metroid. I`m pretty sure you could just replace "Metroid/Pac Man" with "Phantasy Star/Contra" in that post. It`s the same philosophy, methinks. --- And though she says I'm brave and bold She knows a flower cannot hold up a wall... *is Ultimaterializer |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/7/2004 9:44:12 AM | Message Detail |
| The
Blessing of the South 2-seed: There's a possibility, I won't deny it.
However, I'm not siding with the South 2-seed this time around. The Curse of the 3-seed: LoZ and FF10 will most likely make the Elite 8 this year, and some see FF10 winning its division. Broken. 5-seeds vs. 4-seeds: If PS comes through, FF1 will kick its ass. SMW will very likely beat Sonic 2, same for MGS over FFT... the only 4-seed I see not making the Sweet 16 is Prime (a shame too, such a good game). The Curse of the Shortest Odds: Believe it or not, apparently on this board, more people have OoT winning it than FF7. Then again, we'll have to see what the people outside the board will pick as the favorite. Mario vs. Crono: I have CT beating two Mario games, the third being taken out by SF2. But CT over SMW is by all means a lock. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW |
| From: Who Cares? | Posted: 3/7/2004 9:48:19 AM | Message Detail |
| A couple other things to add to that list *Will we finally see an #11 seed not named Aeris get a victory? *Will the current trend of the 8 v 9 matches hold up? I don't know if you guys have noticed, but each of the past two years, the pattern of winners have been 9-8-9-8. If this holds up, the winners would be: Pac-Man/SMRPG/Xenogears/SC |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/7/2004 9:50:38 AM | Message Detail |
| I have Duck Hunt and SOTN winning a match, and I wouldn't count FE totally out either, though its chances are slim. Funny about the 9-8-9-8 thing, I have the reverse, except for Xenogears. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW |
| From: philsov | Posted: 3/7/2004 9:55:29 AM | Message Detail |
| But CT over SMW is by all means a lock. I have this too, but explain why it is a lock. --- And though she says I'm brave and bold She knows a flower cannot hold up a wall... *is Ultimaterializer |
| From: torey luvullo | Posted: 3/7/2004 10:01:27 AM | Message Detail |
| i expect a whole raft of people to antivote pokemon. that is my choice for first round upset. |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/7/2004 10:05:54 AM | Message Detail |
| Simple.
Chrono Trigger is more popular than its protagonist, but it's the
reverse for SMW. Remember that SMW isn't regarded as Mario's best (this
honor goes to SMB3, it's not my personal favorite though). I'm not
expecting anti-Mario votes to kick in much, though, since it's proven
that he gets little, if any, against first and second tier opponents,
among which is Crono. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW |
| From: DomaDragoon | Posted: 3/7/2004 10:06:08 AM | Message Detail |
| *Will we finally see an #11 seed not named Aeris get a victory? Almost without a doubt. Duck Hunt is a coinflip choice for brackets, and could easily come away with a victory. And personally, I have the irony of ironies in my bracket: SotN pulling an Aeris and knocking off the #3 seed before bowing out to the #2 seed. Fire Emblem and Gunstar Heroes aren't likely to win, but at least FE has a small shot at it. Yeah, I don't expect to do well. --- RPGP/RPGDL Contributor "DragoonJay"; Smart Ask! National Champion (2003) Chanting Monks www.rpgdl.com |
| From: philsov | Posted: 3/7/2004 10:17:38 AM | Message Detail |
| A couple of small matches I`m a bit torn on: Mario RPG vs Street Fighter 2 - Ryu scored 40% against the likes of Samus and Solid Snake, while SMRPG is a cult classic. Super Smash Brothers: Melee vs Metal Gear Solid 2 - Simply put, MGS2 is vastly underseeded in this match. I think a large factor in this was the fact that so many PS2 nominations went to Vice City, Soul Calibur, and Final Fantasy X. But make no mistake about it, this match will be close. Very close, in fact. If MGS2 were to win, I would not be surprised in the least, and the closer this match, the happier I`ll be. Vice City is more popular than MGS2 in Playstation 2 circles, and if Melee has issues beating MGS2, then I`ll feel that much better about picking the more popular Vice City to beat it. Chrono Trigger vs any Mario title - simply put, these are very dangerous matches for bracketeers. After last year`s events, we can all bet that many people will pick Chrono Trigger to win this contest based solely on the fact that they think revenge will play a part in the voting. The increase in odds may not be much, but I`m sure it will be there. To this extent, I feel that far too many people are simply assuming that Chrono Trigger will make it to the finals. Remember, it will have to beat Super Mario World, LTTP/FF6, and Super Mario 3. Am I the only one that realizes how hard this is? Link to the Past vs Final Fantasy 6 - I have problems looking past the beating that Kefka received last year, and the only reason that I have FF6 winning this match is because two Square games are ahead of LTTP in the seedings. This leads me to believe that there are far more Square fans coming out of the SNES era, at least on gamefaqs. But bear in mind that I originally has LTTP in the finals. Not just beating FF6, but the FINALS. Changing my mind on this match was very difficult, but it was my gut instinct. Mario 3 vs Zelda 1 - My gut instinct is still telling me I made the wrong choice with Mario 3 in this match. But Zelda 1 ranks fourth in popularity within the series, while Mario 3 ranks first. Goldeneye vs Ocarina of Time - Goldeneye has sold over 8 million copies. Ocarina of Time has sold 6. And while I don`t doubt that OOT will win this match, I will not be surprised if it loses. Kingdom Hearts vs Wind Waker - This sucks. It`s never fun to pick when one of your favorite games will lose. This is the same reason I had so many problems finally picking Street Fighter 2 to beat Mario RPG, as well as picking Mario 3 to go to the finals. The same philosophy with Kingdom Hearts. I love this game. The ending almost made me cry. And I have to admit that it will lose to one of the weak links in the Zelda series. You people all suck, you know that?? ;_; Okay, in all seriousness, KH has a decent chance to win this match, but I simply don`t see Wind Waker losing. Kingdom Hearts may cause FF7 to win this contest, but I doubt that it can hold its own. --- And though she says I'm brave and bold She knows a flower cannot hold up a wall... *is Ultimaterializer |
| From: philsov | Posted: 3/7/2004 10:24:06 AM | Message Detail |
| Now, for the matches which I believe get a bit too much hype. Duck Hunt vs Donkey Kong - Sure, this match is a bit tough, but neither of them can beat Zelda 1, and we all know it. I`d just let it go, personally. Phantasy Star vs Contra - See my earlier post, plz. Perfect Dark vs SotN - Honestly, I fail to see how Symphony wins. Call it gut instinct or what have you, but if everyone is so positive that Goldeneye beats PD, then why the uncertainty about this match? PD is just Goldeneye with a hot girl as the main charater, really. But as I`ve said before, are we all in agreement that the winner of this match won`t beat Goldeneye? Good. It`s just one point. Let it go, peeps :) Metroid Prime vs The Wind Waker - I honestly believe that Link/Samus last year has already proven where this matchup goes, and I think that all the people debating this match are simply those who love Metroid Prime more than The Wind Waker. But trust me, for every MP fan, there`s a WW fan. I don`t know. Call me crazy, but I don`t even see this match being close. 60-40 at best, with a possible 55-45 surge by MP. And the king of all of the useless hype: Halo vs Starcraft - It`s one point. Sure, it would be nice to see a 1 seed go down very early, but are we all in agreement that neither game can bet Kingdom Hearts? It`s just one point. --- And though she says I'm brave and bold She knows a flower cannot hold up a wall... *is Ultimaterializer |
| From: dethwing | Posted: 3/7/2004 11:04:00 AM | Message Detail |
| But
as I`ve said before, are we all in agreement that the winner of this
match won`t beat Goldeneye? Good. It`s just one point. Let it go, peeps
:) No. Not even close. There are quite a few people putting SotN into the sweet 16. I happen to be one of them. Golden and SSB:M are getting much more hype on the boards than they actually deserve, in my opinion anyway. It's odd though. If PD wins, it will die a horrible death. But if SotN prooves to be more popular, I don't see much stopping it in the 2nd match. Either it will win 2 or 0. --- Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth--Burlap to Cashmere Spring 2004 Final 4: Mario 3, CT, FF7, FFX |
| From: dethwing | Posted: 3/7/2004 11:08:11 AM | Message Detail |
| And
another thing...I've seen a lot of people use that "It's just one
point" line to justify many, many bad picks. Pretty soon, all those
"just one point" matches start to add up. There is no reason to not put
forth the same quality analysis about the "one point matches" as the
later ones. If FF7 or OoT wins the tournament, (And there seems to be
little doubt that one will) the first round will act as one big
tie-breaker. That's why they are important. What if you lose by one point because you picked Halo and Starcraft won? Would it be just a "one point match" then? --- Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth--Burlap to Cashmere Spring 2004 Final 4: Mario 3, CT, FF7, FFX |
| From: Feanor the Elf | Posted: 3/7/2004 11:12:26 AM | Message Detail |
| Later matches im having trouble with: FFX vs VC-Im leaning towrd ffx on this but im not sure. FFX vs WW-Nobody is giving ffx a chance on this one. but im not so sure. --- Istari of Rohan, Formerly First Officer of the Riders of Rohan and Gondor |
| From: dethwing | Posted: 3/7/2004 11:14:13 AM | Message Detail |
| No one? *points to sig* I honestly don't see anyone in the 128 that is more popular on gamefaqs. There is only one match in 128 that bothers me, and that is my pick of VC over SSB:M. --- Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth--Burlap to Cashmere Spring 2004 Final 4: Mario 3, CT, FF7, FFX |
| From: cyko | Posted: 3/7/2004 11:33:56 AM | Message Detail |
| If I switch to Contra, will I do what I did when I gave in to the hype for Wario? stupid ugly Wario. >_< The fact that you put your Xbox nomination into MGS2 speaks volumes... you weren't the only one to use an Xbox nom for a port that was more popular on another system. That being said, Halo's support base is fractured even more than PS thanks to ports of good games... yet it still made it to the top of the list for its generation and PS didn't. Really, if you have no decent competition on your own system while the NES is fractioned between 30-40 (in all likelihood there were this many games with decent support) shouldn't you have the 1 seed? Not only was competition scarce for exclusives, but there were hardly any ports. As was pointed out there were only about 4 games on the master system that could hold up today, and a couple of them are so obscure most people will never have heard of them. I just think PS is over represented by a lack of quality titles on the system. yes. well said, Chichiri. the NES had a huge pool of a games to choose from and three of them were still seeded higher than Phantasy Star. Phantasy Star may be overseeded more than Halo. **Are there any FPS games on the Xbox other than Halo? I wouldn't know... and if there are, can any of them compete with Halo for even 10-15 votes? SInce I haven't heard of any, that wouldn't seem likely... the other kinda big ones are: Counter-Strike, 007 Agent Under Fire, Jedi Academy, Jedi Outcast, Medal of Honor, Red Faction 2, Return to Wolfenstein, Timesplitters 2, Rainbow Six 3, Unreal Championship, and XIII. but none of them are even remotely close to Halo in any way; popularity, sales, ratings, or popular opinion. each of those might have nabbed about 10 or so nominations by people who figured Halo was guaranteed to make it and wanted to support something else. but Halo is pretty much unanimously the best FPS on X-Box. There's a Phantasy Star collection for GBA?! sure enough, Steve Illumina was right. i apologize. i forgot all about that one. so, Phantasy Star has had a bit more exposure than if it was just on SMS. but....... Now, I have no idea how many people in the other half have played Contra, but I sure as hell am not one of them. ........how many people in that other half of 18+ people have played Phantasy Star? way fewer than Contra, i guarantee you that. the only thing about this match is how much a game can ride its series to victory. i think this is one of the biggest unknown factors of predicting this contest. unfortunately, we won't know for sure until Metroid vs. Pac-Man and Phantsy Star vs. Contra. i still don't think Phantasy Star wil get enough series support (as i debated before, there is simply no way PS could win based on its own merits), but Metroid is a big enough series where its series might carry it past Pac-Man. as for Pokemon vs. Xenogears, i'm still not certain either. there were a lot of high quality RPGs on Playstation, but Xenogears managed to get more nominations than all of them except FF7 and FFT. that is incredible. but Pokemon is a huge million plus selling series. also, Pikachu is one of the more disliked Pokemon and does not represent his series well. and Silver/Gold was the peak of the series. if this match was held two or three years ago, then Pokemon would have easily won. but since then, all of the Pokecrap that keeps getting released has been causing some people to lose interest in the series. i know it's only a one-point match (either one will get massacred by FF7), but like Dethwing said, "every point counts." this one still has me thinking. --- Please go nominate Secret of Mana for SNES. Right Now. A Cheese Legend of Trivia 12 |
| From: philsov | Posted: 3/7/2004 11:39:21 AM | Message Detail |
| And another thing...I've seen a lot of people use that "It's just one point" line to justify many, many bad picks. Okay, let me try to clarify what I was saying. In all of these close matches in the first two rounds, half of us will get the pick wrong. This means something, but in terms of the final score, there will be many people who also got that first round match wrong, thus evening everything out from a mathematical standpoint. For example, look at last year. The guy who won got some tough matches wrong. Luigi, Wario, Scorpion, and I believe one or two other first/second round matches are all he screwed up. But his later rounds were perfect. As for a "bad pick", there are no "bad picks" in the early mathups where half of the people will get the match wrong. Picking Donkey Kong to defeat Duck Hunt won`t kill your bracket. Picking Fallout 2 to take down Ocarina of Time, on the other hand, can cost you the contest. That`s what I meant, and hopefully, everyone understands my post here. --- And though she says I'm brave and bold She knows a flower cannot hold up a wall... *is Ultimaterializer |
| From: dethwing | Posted: 3/7/2004 12:22:18 PM | Message Detail |
|
For example, look at last year. The guy who won got some tough matches
wrong. Luigi, Wario, Scorpion, and I believe one or two other
first/second round matches are all he screwed up. But his later rounds
were perfect. I looked all over for the winner's bracket, and couldn't find it. Where are you getting this information? --- Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth--Burlap to Cashmere Spring 2004 Final 4: Mario 3, CT, FF7, FFX |
| From: philsov | Posted: 3/7/2004 12:35:12 PM | Message Detail |
| He made a topic when he won. --- And though she says I'm brave and bold She knows a flower cannot hold up a wall... *is Ultimaterializer |
| From: dethwing | Posted: 3/7/2004 12:38:59 PM | Message Detail |
| Ah, dang it. I missed it! Anyone save it? :) --- Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth--Burlap to Cashmere Spring 2004 Final 4: Mario 3, CT, FF7, FFX |
| From: Ngamer64 | Posted: 3/7/2004 12:59:46 PM | Message Detail |
| No need to worry about the purge, I've just added Pre-Season Discussion #1 to the Archives. You can check it out here: http://geocities.com/cyber1166/gamefaqs/04SpringPreSeason1.html Although, with all the great analysis that went on there, the posts ended up being so long that the topic is well over a half MB in size, so not sure how the bandwidth is going to hold up. But in any case, we've got a copy now, so someone else will be able to host it later on if they would like. Now, on to the brackets. About that BangFang Triangle... I think it's safe to say that no one in this topic knows more about PD/GE and their respective fanbases than me. *points to the-elite.net* And trust me on this, there is a significant popularity difference between the two titles. I'd even be willing to say it's as large as 10 to 12%. That's why I see PD giving SotN a very good run for its money, but coming up just a little bit short (though I would love to be wrong on this... but I can't see it happening). However, given that it will be very close between the two, which we all seem to be in agreement on, I can't see why some people are siding with Castlevania to upset Goldeneye in the coming round. I can't stress this enough, GE is going to pull in many more votes than its semi-sequel. Even within The Elite, Goldeneye is readily accepted as the more popular of the two, though there's still heated debate as to which game is actually better. And just as a final note, I'd like to point out that nobody, not even the most dedicated of Eliters, is excepting either of the games to have any kind of chance against Ocarina. Sure, GE may have sold a couple million more, but not even we are letting that blind us to the fact that OoT is the game the N64 will always be remembered for. --- the-elite.net Ngamer's Contest Archives: http://geocities.com/cyber1166/gamefaqs |
| From: Shadow Doom Blaze | Posted: 3/7/2004 2:20:18 PM | Message Detail |
| heated debate as to which game is actually better. I consider myself on of the elite players of the two Rare titles, as well. Mind directing me to one of these discussions, please? --- *is Ultimaterializer* |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/7/2004 2:40:47 PM | Message Detail |
| ........how
many people in that other half of 18+ people have played Phantasy Star?
way fewer than Contra, i guarantee you that. the only thing about this
match is how much a game can ride its series to victory. i think this
is one of the biggest unknown factors of predicting this contest.
unfortunately, we won't know for sure until Metroid vs. Pac-Man and
Phantsy Star vs. Contra. i still don't think Phantasy Star wil get
enough series support (as i debated before, there is simply no way PS
could win based on its own merits), but Metroid is a big enough series
where its series might carry it past Pac-Man. However, both Metroid and Pac-Man are bigger than PS and Contra (the series, that is). From that point of view, there will be a helluva lot of neutral voter. Now, let's put ourselves in the head of the average Joe visiting this site (hey, isn't it the whole point?). Like the majority, he played neither game. Now, I could figure a few things that would make our Joe vote for PS, such as PSO, saw this name somewhere, etc. ... but when Contra's at the bat, the sheet is not unlike Crono's script. Indeed, franchise voters are the biggest unknown here, and they have the power to swing this match either way. It will also be their fault if The Simpsons comes anywhere near SMW. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 3/7/2004 3:26:25 PM | Message Detail |
| Half
the GameFAQs population is 17 or younger. Now, I have no idea how many
people in the other half have played Contra, but I sure as hell am not
one of them. Only half? First of all, I don't think the Gold/Silver/Crystal versions don't have the support of the Red/Blue/Yellow versions. I've seen discussion at these boards about Pokemon, and it seems way more have played the RBY version. Damn straight. I think Pokemon may have been underestimated because of the division between the R/B/Y and G/S/C nominations (unless he counted them all together and just put up the one with the most nominations of the two?) I for one nominated R/B/Y. That was from the last topic. Yes, I am assuming that without Kingdom Hearts, Ocarina of Time would beat Final Fantasy VII. My reason is Link vs. Sephiroth 2002, where Link beat Sephiroth by 5 or 6%. True, Link is probably slightly stronger than OoT, and FFVII is probably a bit stronger than Sephiroth. Is that enough to cover Link's 15,000 vote victory margin? (at a time where there were less votes per poll) I don't think so. So, basically, you think that the main character of every Zelda game versus an NPC shows the popularity of the two games. I don’t think so. Sephiroth may be an awesome NPC but not everyone who liked FFVII as a whole would vote for its (at least partially) cliché villain. Anyway, FF7 should have more predictions to win this match, and thus, supposing a 50/50 chance of victory for either game (This is not the case in my mind), OoT would be the better choice. Then again, in the OoT vs. FF7 topic that has 150+ posts, OoT is actually leading... Board polls are even more irrelevant than Gamespy polls. CATS beat Cloud in one last year, as I recall. The FFVII hate is strong here but near-nonexistent in the general voting public on GameFAQs. i expect a whole raft of people to antivote pokemon. that is my choice for first round upset. You’re confusing Pokemon with Pikachu, its irritating mascot. Pokemon will not get a significant anti-vote on this site. Look at the #1 GameBoy, GBC, and GBA FAQs here at GameFAQs. Yes, they are all Pokemon related. --- "Your fate is sealed, and none but yours." -- Auron Proud Supporter of Starcraft in the Spring 2004 Contest |
| From: Ngamer64 | Posted: 3/7/2004 3:27:43 PM | Message Detail |
| When
I say "Elite," Ulti, I'm not using the word in terms of being a good
player at the games; I'm just specifically referring to members of the
PDE/GEE rankings. Those can be found here:
http://www.the-elite.net/PD/elite.htm But if you'd like to see an
example of a debate... I guess we might as well start with the very
first one, from late in the year 2000. http://pub20.ezboard.com/fperfectdarkelitefrm14.showMessage?topicID=458.topic And now, to get back on topic, um... Contra's going to win. PSO was hugely popular when it was first released, true, (it was actually the #2 FAQ of 2001, behind only FF9) but Contra has had a good following over the years as well thanks to its many sequels. That's why I give the nod to the game that was much more popular at the time, and has become somewhat legendary in its own right. --- the-elite.net Ngamer's Contest Archives: http://geocities.com/cyber1166/gamefaqs |
| From: Shadow Doom Blaze | Posted: 3/7/2004 3:28:12 PM | Message Detail |
| Slowflake, who did you pick to win that match? --- *is Ultimaterializer* |
| From: Tim Duncan | Posted: 3/7/2004 4:06:50 PM | Message Detail |
| What does everyone think about the FF6 vs. LTTP match? The second most popular final fantasy game vs. The second(or third) most popular Zelda game. |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 3/7/2004 4:13:20 PM | Message Detail |
| I
think FF6 wins. Simply put, LTTP had a golden opporotunity to get a
higher seeding in that division, yet both Chrono Trigger and FF6 beat
it out. That means something. --- My SC2K4 Petition: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=7&topic=12558738 Boards Hunted: 3277 |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/7/2004 4:17:02 PM | Message Detail |
| Ulti: Which one, PS/Contra? PS, for now. I dunno, picking PS feels wrong for some reason... but so does picking Contra. Tim Duncan: LttP can keep up with the favorite in "favorite Zelda" PotDs. FF6 can simply not (it gets tripled by FF7 every time), and I get the feeling the fanbase for FF6 is mighty different from the one for the newer installments. Which could partly explain Kefka's debacle. Of course, Super Metroid actually IS the favorite of the series... so basically, the LttP/SM winner gets a free pass to the division finals. Speaking of FF6... oh the irony. It's pitted against Mortal Kombat in the first round. What do these two games have in common? A character from both games beat Pac-Man in the summer contests. But here's the catch... Scorpion did much better than Kefka, said to be the greatest villain of all time by those who played the game. Of course, I know FF6 is probably more popular than MK, or Earthbound or Doom for that matter. I just wanted to point out that the previous contest results point to a first round exit for FF6. What if... --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 3/7/2004 4:24:54 PM | Message Detail |
| I
think FF6 wins. Simply put, LTTP had a golden opporotunity to get a
higher seeding in that division, yet both Chrono Trigger and FF6 beat
it out. That means something. I agree. And not only did FFVI and CT beat it out but so did Super Metroid and SMW. I'm not saying SMW would win against LttP but I think the more controversial match here is Super Metroid vs. LttP. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if Super Metroid won, although I do have LttP as the winner in my bracket, if only for the franchise power. I'd say it's unlikely that any game in its era other than CT can beat the most powerful old-school Final Fantasy game. --- "Your fate is sealed, and none but yours." -- Auron Proud Supporter of Starcraft in the Spring 2004 Contest |
| From: Haste2 | Posted: 3/7/2004 4:52:07 PM | Message Detail |
| For
the 16-bit division, I do believe that Chrono Trigger and LttP are the
two strongest games in that divisino. I think that Super Metroid will
be more likely to end LttP's streak than FFVI, however...I'm just not
convinced that FFVI is not terribly popular anymore, but Super Metroid
is probably analogous to Metroid Prime... If FF6 loses to Mortal Kombat, then that means SMRPG will also to Street Fighter II, guaranteed. So...if SMRPG loses by a rather large amount to SFII, we might have something to worry about. Hm, having SMB3, CT, OoT, and Metroid Prime winning the divisions..I think I might want to have 2 Square and 2 Nintendo games, for balance sake...but if I switch OoT to FF7, there won't be any Zelda games in the Final 4! That would never happen! Maybe SMB3, LttP, FF7, and FFX...that could work... --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| From: Sir Shake | Posted: 3/7/2004 5:24:49 PM | Message Detail |
From: smitelf | Posted: 3/7/2004 4:24:54 PM | Message Detail I think FF6 wins. Simply put, LTTP had a golden opporotunity to get a higher seeding in that division, yet both Chrono Trigger and FF6 beat it out. That means something. I agree. Well, I'll give Ceej this : He seems to have done better with the seeding then in the character battles. (Would be hard to do any worse, BTW) But entrusting your picks for the harder matches to nominations which probably spawned from the boards only, might be a bit unwise. Well, I've got my bracket almost done. I've decided everything but two matches. Chrono Trigger versus Super Mario Brothers 3 The sheer importance of these two matches have convinced me that I should spend the next three weeks going over the same data and info over and over again until the picture becomes clearer. The discussions here as well as weighing all factors have enabled me to decided on which horse I want to bet for all the other toss-ups. At the moment, I'm happy with everything else. Currently, I have my money on SMB3 and Metroid prime. I am slightly more secure of SMB3 (Although I sometimes wonder why I am betting against a monumental RPG in favor of a monumental platformer) then I am of Prime. Also, I wonder : Does the favor of the voters stretch this far back? I've heard the sentiment that Mario 64 is actually Mario's finest game over and over lately. At least with Chrono Trigger I would know it couldn't disappoint. Who's to say Mario's popularity doesn't stem from a mix of old-school and new-school, and that the old-school part of his following alone is no match for CT? Questions, questions. Boggles my mind. Metroid Prime versus Loz : Wind Waker I haven't played Wind Waker, and this is preventing me from being sure about that one. Slowflake has casted doubt in my favor for Prime. If its regarded as Link vs Samus, I'll miss out on far more points then I want to lose. I was counting on the casual vote going to the more universally loved game, since the dislike and hate for the cell-shaded seems to be with the ones who haven't finished the game. Somebody just pick for me. ~_~;; And Solarshadow, I agree wholeheartedly with your comments on my sentiment. The above post is just that : Me strugglin and weighing my gut vs cold, hard facts. --- Shake : Can ya cook? Kali101 : Not really. I nearly killed myself once, trying to make spaghetti. |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 3/7/2004 5:26:35 PM | Message Detail |
| Slowflake, FF6 is much more than Kefka, while Zelda games aren't much more than Link. --- "Find Sister. Bone Sister. Kill Giant Tick." - Magus' plan, in the words of SemiFinal vs. Belarus |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 3/7/2004 5:44:57 PM | Message Detail |
| Wait a minute, we`re still worrying about LTTP vs FF6? The winner of Super Metroid and LTTP has a free pass into the division finals? ....the hell? Final Fantasy 6 will be one of the toughest outs in this contest, in my opinion. Sure, I won`t be surprised in the least if LTTP were to knock off FF6, but I wouldn`t go as far as to call that match a free pass. When this website was first created, Final Fantasy 7 was the biggest game to hit the gaming world since Super Mario Brothers, and Final Fantasy 6 beat FF7 in what I think was the third poll on the site. I won`t lie, though. When I first filled out my bracket, I had Link to the Past going to the finals. Not just the division finals, mind you. The finals. Over FF6, Chrono Trigger, and Super Mario Brothers 3. I may change my bracket back to this, simply because I don`t like going against my gut instinct. This contest may very well come down to whether or not the Zelda faithful show up to vote in this contest. I would seriously not be surprised in the least in we had a final featuring LTTP against OOT. After all, we`ve had a SFF final the past two contests. --- My SC2K4 Petition: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=7&topic=12558738 Boards Hunted: 3277 |
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