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| From: Yesmar | Posted: 3/3/2004 4:59:22 PM | Message Detail |
| I think that OoT can manage to beat FF7, although Cloud beat Link, and here's why. Let's face it. People don't vote for Link because of his personality. He's my favorite character in the contest, and that's not his main selling point. People vote for Link because they like his games. However, some of Cloud's popularity comes from people that really like his personality and character development, even if they don't particularly care for Final Fantasy 7 that much. Not that many people mainly vote for Link because they think he is cooler than Cloud(at least not Wind Waker Link). They vote for him because they love his games. If you hate Zelda games, chances are you're not gonna like Link. However, even if you dislike Final Fantasy 7 there's still a chance you like Cloud. I think the number of people who disliked FF7 but still liked Cloud will be enough to make up for the 1.6% that Cloud had on Link. --- Heh Heh... The wind... It is blowing...--Ganondorf The Leftovers member in Trivia XII |
| From: nifboy | Posted: 3/3/2004 5:48:14 PM | Message Detail |
| I
think the number of people who disliked FF7 but still liked Cloud will
be enough to make up for the 1.6% that Cloud had on Link. I wouldn't say disliked: I'd say "Never played." Remember, popular opinion is that KH was responsible for the amazing jumps in popularity for Cloud, Sephiroth, and Squall between '02 and '03 (all sword-wielding badasses. Go figure). Two years ago I would have laughed at you if you told me Cloud was more popular than FF7. --- "We seek as much data - raw facts, direct experience - as we can, and then we make up our own minds." - J. Moore |
| From: NeoElfboy | Posted: 3/3/2004 6:01:09 PM | Message Detail |
| Well, there are also people who simply have a higher opinion of Cloud relative to other RPG characters than they do of FF7 relative to other games (I'm one of them). But yeah, good point about KH. |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 3/3/2004 7:01:16 PM | Message Detail |
| But Heroic Tails, a loss in the first round? I have one word and one word only. RAIDEN. There is nothing wrong with him. He has some amazing character development, and I like him. --- My SC2K4 Petition: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=7&topic=12558738 Boards Hunted: 3277 |
| From: Haste2 | Posted: 3/3/2004 7:18:12 PM | Message Detail |
| My thoughts on SSBM vs. Vice City, Earthbound vs. Doom, and Phantasy Star vs. Contra... Well, here's a couple facts: Super Smash Bros. Melee is STILL #2 on the GC FAQ list. GTA: Vice City is still #3 on the PS2 FAQ list. Gee...these are two huge games. GTA:VC was more popularity initially for when these two games came out, I'm sure, but I still think that SSBM with its multiplayer and still-continuing strategies is holding against time better. I would've chosen GTA:VC a year ago, that's for sure. Heck, since I'm so clueless, I'll just pick SSBM to win because I'm sure a larger portion of GC fans liked SSBM than PS2 fans like GTA:VC, and maybe SSBM is still remembered more today. I think whoever wins this will lose to FFX, though. (heh, everybody is so confident FFX will get to the semi's, but I'm not...) I think Earthbound could surprise people. I think Ness is a weak character from a stronger game. And I do believe Earthbound is not as obscure as people think, as it's pretty high on the FAQ rankings for SNES, and quite a few of my friends have heard of (and played) it. EB seems to be commonly referred to in VG magazines, as well. Doom is probably the tougher game to guage, IMO. It was a very revolutionary game, but does anybody even CARE about that game anymore, with so many FPS games blowing it away nowadays? Oh well, I guess I'll still say Doom will win. :x All in all, I think both are these games are very weak, and FFVI will utterly annihilate whoever comes out the victor. (It may be the biggest blowout of R2) As for comments on Phantasy Star... It seems many are relying on PSO popularity to pull it through. If that was the case, wouldn't the FF7 popularity carry over to FFVI and FFT more? That's what gets me to believe that Contra will win in Round 1. Not only that, but I'm sure the Phantasy Star fans are far more vocal than any Contra fans, which makes the seeding misleading. --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 3/3/2004 7:21:01 PM | Message Detail |
| Raiden
got shafted, plain and simple. He was never given a remotely fair shot
and there's no guarentee that his match wasn't a SFF match on the level
of Mario vs. DK. And Cloud more popular than FF7? I can't buy it. I
know more people that dislike Cloud (at least to some degree) but still
enjoy FF7 a great deal. We'll just call the two even and continue to
assume FF7 is going to take the contest. --- The cry sounds out from the throngs. PICS NOW, with you both in thongs! - Villainous Janus |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 3/3/2004 7:23:49 PM | Message Detail |
| Agreed on PS vs. Contra... Must say though, that to this day Doom is still the only FPS I actually like other than GoldenEye (and that's not even going to get a vote from me). --- The cry sounds out from the throngs. PICS NOW, with you both in thongs! - Villainous Janus |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 3/3/2004 7:30:25 PM | Message Detail |
| A few thoughts on some matches that far too many people worry about: Wind Waker vs Metroid Prime Am I the only one who remembers that Zelda is superior to Metroid among its own fans? If you take two games from the games era and put them against each other, the Zelda game will most likely win. As such, I have Super Metroid and Metroid Prime losing to LTTP and WW, respectively. FFX`s Half Bracket Honestly, I think FFX is very underrated. It`s been near the top of the FAQ list for almost two years now, and personally, I see no game in this half-division that can come close. As for FFX vs the Wind Waker, I expect another close match, with FFX winning a relatively close match. Vice City vs SSB: Melee GTA3 has already defeated Melee in one poll. Vice City is more popular. I seriously think Vice City can be a HUGE wild card in this contest. IT won`t beat FFX, but it may be this year`s Squall, beating a very well-liked entrant in the second round. Ocarina of Time vs FF7 I maintain that Kingdom Hearts introduced a lot of new fans to the FF series. I mean, honestly, there had to have been people who played Kingdom Hearts without having ever played an FF. Personally, for me, if I`m new to Square, the intros for Cloud and Sephiroth would be enough to cause me to play FF7. I`m sure other agree with me. The number of new people may not be large, but I`m sure it`s there, and that boost should easily be enough to propel FF over Zelda in this contest on pretty much all levels. I also have FF6 taking down LTTP and FFX taking down the Wind Waker. If for nothing else, go look at the front page. The top four games are all FF titles, and Final Fantasy 8 and 9 are both above OOT in the top 50 list. Scary. --- My SC2K4 Petition: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=7&topic=12558738 Boards Hunted: 3277 |
| From: StopPokingMe | Posted: 3/3/2004 7:40:37 PM | Message Detail |
| Why OoT can beat FFVII: All the stuff Yesmar said is right, but there's something much more important that hasn't been brought up yet. Cloud beat Link in 2003 with the combined effort of FF7 and KH, not one or the other. On the strength of only FF7 alone, as we saw him in 2002, Cloud would have lost to Link somewhere in the 62-38 range. Now KH is once again out of the equation. I doubt the number of people who were inspired to play FF7 for the first time after playing KH is really all that large; I think Cloud's extra votes in 2003 came from KH itself rather than FF7 introduced through the medium of KH. That leaves Link a lot of points to give, assuming he is stronger than OoT because he stars in other games. I'm not sure how much room is needed, though, with OoT easily the strongest of the Zelda games in the polls and a game pretty much all of the series' fans will rally around. --- The GameFAQs Summer Contest 2003 Fanfiction Project: http://crolapras.tripod.com/ffproj.html |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 3/3/2004 7:44:59 PM | Message Detail |
| GTA3 has already defeated Melee in one poll. Vice City is more popular. Which poll do you speak of? --- "Your fate is sealed, and none but yours." -- Auron Proud Supporter of Starcraft in the Spring 2004 Contest |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 3/3/2004 7:46:03 PM | Message Detail |
| Great point. If OOT were to win, I wouldn`t mind. It`s one of my favorites. --- My SC2K4 Petition: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=7&topic=12558738 Boards Hunted: 3277 |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 3/3/2004 7:49:14 PM | Message Detail |
| Sure...
FF8 and FF9 are above OoT... but thats because they are longer and
easier to get stuck on, not to mention easier to forget between one
playing and the next. All those points there show that there is a damn
good possibility that most read FAQs means nothing to this contest. --- The cry sounds out from the throngs. PICS NOW, with you both in thongs! - Villainous Janus |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 3/3/2004 7:52:02 PM | Message Detail |
| I
won't rally behind OoT. Trust me, that says a lot... I nominated Zelda
for NES, Zelda 2 for FDS, and would have nominated LttP for SNES had I
not been compelled to give my Nom to Lufia 2 which needed it much more
desperately (and still didn't get in). Oh wait, I also nominated Link's
Awakening. And yeah, after all that, I still won't vote for OoT against
FF7. --- The cry sounds out from the throngs. PICS NOW, with you both in thongs! - Villainous Janus |
| From: StopPokingMe | Posted: 3/3/2004 7:57:06 PM | Message Detail |
| But surely you're aware you're in the minority, right? And as for FAQs accessed, well, if they made any difference at all, Pikachu-Fox would have been close. The discrepancy is just too large. --- The GameFAQs Summer Contest 2003 Fanfiction Project: http://crolapras.tripod.com/ffproj.html |
| From: sachi | Posted: 3/3/2004 7:58:22 PM | Message Detail |
| I also nominated the Link`s Awakening games. Go figure. --- Stop looking at me like that... |
| From: Who Cares? | Posted: 3/3/2004 8:12:01 PM | Message Detail |
| Sure...
FF8 and FF9 are above OoT... but thats because they are longer and
easier to get stuck on, not to mention easier to forget between one
playing and the next. All those points there show that there is a damn
good possibility that most read FAQs means nothing to this contest. I've been thinking about that as well. People keep throwing out the arguments about most read FAQs, yet in the end it really doesn't say anything about the game's popularity. All it says that poeple need help with certain levels or want certain information. I would much rather buy an argument involving the Message Boards. Why? Because that what really shows the game's popularity. That the fans go there to talk with other fans about the game. And in most cases, 90% of those that post in that board are those that enjoy the game, while the others are probably noobs or trolls who exist only to bash the game. Because lets face it, just because I can read a FAQ page everyday to help me finish a game doesn't mean that in the end, it will be one of my favorites. |
| From: Haste2 | Posted: 3/3/2004 8:15:12 PM | Message Detail |
| Just
remember that we're still not certain that it was Kingdom Hearts that
caused Cloud, Sephiroth, and Squall to have their massive improvements. ...and that would basically negate a lot of the arguments that OoT could beat FFVII. Also, I can't buy that Cloud was ever more popular than FFVII, either, unless you count the KH factor. As for FFX, I hate how it's most likely going to win its half-division...it's just not a very good game, with its only real saving graces being the graphics and some cool characters (Auron and Lulu > j00). With that in mind, I'd have a tough time imagining SSBM or GTA:VC getting less than 40% on FFX. Yeah, FAQ rankings could be very misleading...but hey, if we can guess what the level of need for the games is, we can work with it, right? Let's look at SSBM...the secrets and strategies in this game are in abundance, as are games like FFX. In fact, come to think of it, I think FFX has far more extras than any FF game up to that point, so we could almost make an excuse for FFX losing early, actually. --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 3/3/2004 8:17:44 PM | Message Detail |
| Most
of the fans of the oldschool Zeldas will have to think twice about
voting for OoT, I'm sure. I know too many of you here are too young to
realize that OoT isn't actually considered old by any means other than
your lack of age, but it's not old. The Zeldas that came before it will
have support from a different group of people that may not vote for
OoT... and even the ones that do (assuming OoT beats FF7) will likely
not be voting OoT in the finals (Of course this will be because Zelda
fans rabidly took over the contest and made a LttP vs OoT finals, which
is the only possibility it OoT is actually capable of topping FF7) --- The cry sounds out from the throngs. PICS NOW, with you both in thongs! - Villainous Janus |
| From: Haste2 | Posted: 3/3/2004 8:40:36 PM | Message Detail |
| Heh, games dating back to 1996 (basically the end of the SNES era) seem new to me... One final comment on Halo vs. StarCraft: bracket voters. "nuff said. If Starcraft is going to nab a narrow victory, the bracket voters will do all they can to keep Halo on top. I've also noticed that there are people making topics/contests that are basically rip-offs of others...please do me a favor and don't participate in those topics (so that they'll hopefully die from the purge). --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| From: GoldSlime35 | Posted: 3/3/2004 9:30:56 PM | Message Detail |
| To quote an earlier post... 7) WHY do so many people expect SSBM to beat Vice City? I don’t see how it has a chance. Vice City is one of the most popular FAQs on this site. It has a massive fanbase, especially considering it’s not an RPG. I wouldn't go by FAQS rank. Because all that means is that a lot of people need help on the game. I would rather go on board rank, especially on games that have been out for awhile. |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 3/3/2004 9:34:23 PM | Message Detail |
| I think VC wins based solely off of the fact that GTA 3 beat SSB:M in a poll. Plain and simple. --- My SC2K4 Petition: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=7&topic=12558738 Boards Hunted: 3277 |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 3/3/2004 9:36:17 PM | Message Detail |
| Hey, I have an analysis of Division 128. I`m posting it, and you won`t stop me, either =P But I`m simply going to copy-paste from my other topic, but bear in mind that I`m not bolding anything, mmkay? On we go... --- My SC2K4 Petition: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=7&topic=12558738 Boards Hunted: 3277 |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 3/3/2004 9:36:27 PM | Message Detail |
| BEST OF 2001: Overall Game of the Year Conker's Bad Fur Day 2.67% 823 Diablo II: Lord of Destruction 4.5% 1385 Final Fantasy Chronicles 1.94% 598 Final Fantasy X 30.33% 9344 Golden Sun 2.45% 755 Grand Theft Auto 3 17.35% 5346 Halo 6.05% 1863 Max Payne 2.17% 670 Metal Gear Solid 2 10.15% 3126 Phantasy Star Online 2.56% 790 Shenmue II 2.59% 798 Super Smash Bros. Melee 15.17% 4674 Zelda: Oracle of Ages/Seasons 2.07% 637 TOTAL VOTES 30809 BEST OF 2002: Game of the Year Animal Crossing (GCN) 4.23% 2205 Grand Theft Auto III (PC) 2.68% 1397 Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (PS2) 28.27% 14738 Kingdom Hearts (PS2) 12.52% 6528 Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance (Xbox) 1.54% 802 Metroid Fusion (GBA) 2.32% 1210 Metroid Prime (GCN) 28.52% 14870 Splinter Cell (Xbox) 6.59% 3437 TimeSplitters 2 (Multi) 1.95% 1018 Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 4 (Multi) 1.34% 697 WarCraft III (PC) 7.03% 3664 Zelda: A Link to the Past (GBA) 3% 1565 TOTAL VOTES 52131 BEST OF 2003: Game of the Year Final Fantasy Tactics Advance 5.27% 3304 Final Fantasy X-2 18.7% 11718 Final Fantasy XI 6% 3761 Grand Theft Auto Double Pack 6.89% 4317 The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker 24.98% 15652 Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga 2.81% 1758 Mario Kart: Double Dash!! 5.03% 3150 Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time 5.04% 3157 Soul Calibur II 8.9% 5573 Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 16.37% 10257 TOTAL VOTES 62647 --- My SC2K4 Petition: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=7&topic=12558738 Boards Hunted: 3277 |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 3/3/2004 9:37:20 PM | Message Detail |
| Halo vs Starcraft Starcraft is a very old game, while Halo is recent enough to win it this match. Yes, there will be tons of anti-voting, but Halo is just barely big enough to win this match. You people keep talking about spamming votes for this match on battle.net, but totally forget that this can be cancelled out by the people who will undoubtedly spam for votes on Xbox Live. Soul Calibur vs Kingdom Hearts In 2002, Kingdom Hearts sucked up 12.52% of 52131 votes. In 2003, Soul Calibur 2 sucked up 8.9% of 62647 votes. Basically, Soul Calibur got a smaller number in a more popular poll. The only real variable here is that its competition in that poll was tougher. SCII was up against three big games, while KH was up against two. Still, I think the presented numbers are enough to give KH the win. The Wind Waker and Metroid Prime will win their first round matches Foregone conclusion, really. FFT:A and FFX will also win their first round matches See above. GTA: Vice City vs KOTOR In 2002, Vice City scored 28.27% of 52131 votes. In 2003, KOTOR scored 16.37% of 62657 votes. KOTOR and Soul Calibur are now in the same boat. They scored less than their opponents, even though they had more to do it with. It would be nice to see KOTOR to beat Vice City, but I seriously doubt that it will happen. SSB: Melee vs MGS2 Thankfully, these two games are within the same poll, and SSB:M has already won. The only issue here is GTA3 and FFX were also in that poll, both Playstation 2 reps. If all the numbers were added up, this match would actually be very close, but I still think that SSB:M wins it. Ok, first round done... --- My SC2K4 Petition: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=7&topic=12558738 Boards Hunted: 3277 |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 3/3/2004 9:38:14 PM | Message Detail |
| Halo vs Kingdom Hearts I see no way in hell that Kingdom Hearts loses this match. I mean, look at the numbers above you. The Wind Waker vs Metroid Prime Wow. The numbers say that this matchup is dead even, but I simply cannot look past last year`s contest. A Cel-Shaded Wind Waker picture of Link beat down Samus, and at the time, wasn`t Metroid Prime the more popular title on this board, too? This board`s opinion can be strong, BUT YOU WON`T BREAK ME!! >_> <_< Anyway, I think WW is a lock to win this match with ease, and I seem to be the only one with any confidence saying this for some reason. FFX vs FFT:A People are still wondering why FFT:A is even in this contest... GTA: Vice City vs SSB: Melee GTA 3 beat Melee once already. Furthermore, the poll where this is shown features other PS2 titles. If the poll simply comes down to SSB:M vs Vice City, I honestly feel that the numbers would swing in the favor of Vice City, simply because of the Playstation factor. And good God, if this little upset were to happen, our little board would light on fire. Furthermore, Vice City would be this year`s Squall. But hey, the past numbers point to the possibility of this, and I feel like taking a risk. Go me. --- My SC2K4 Petition: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=7&topic=12558738 Boards Hunted: 3277 |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 3/3/2004 9:38:52 PM | Message Detail |
| Kingdom Hearts vs Wind Waker Metroid Prime already beat Kingdom Hearts. If WW is the mathematical equal to Metroid Prime, then picking this match should not be hard. FFX vs Vice City Well, FFX has already beat GTA3 in a poll, and GTA: VC has already defeated SSB:M. My conclusion here is that FFX is basically a lock to win its half-division, no matter who it faces in the third round. Wind Waker vs FFX This is the only match left in this division that`s really giving me any headaches. Wind Waker took down FFX-2 with ease, but that`s FFX-2. Either way, I`m pretty sure that the division comes down to these two in a tossup. --- My SC2K4 Petition: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=7&topic=12558738 Boards Hunted: 3277 |
| From: GoldSlime35 | Posted: 3/3/2004 9:49:16 PM | Message Detail |
| Previous polls mean little. With 6 other games taking up over half the vote, you can't tell who will support each side. You can't tell how any game would do against another head to head based on a multi-game poll. (For the most most part) |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 3/3/2004 10:05:00 PM | Message Detail |
| Ok, I wouldn`t trust board rank much. If you do, then FF7 beats OOT by nearly a 4:1 ratio. --- My SC2K4 Petition: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=7&topic=12558738 Boards Hunted: 3277 |
| From: Feanor the Elf | Posted: 3/3/2004 10:05:41 PM | Message Detail |
| Ct will win this one. Its to good not to. --- Istari of Rohan, Formerly First Officer of the Riders of Rohan and Gondor |
| From: cyko | Posted: 3/3/2004 10:16:06 PM | Message Detail |
Previous polls mean little. With 6 other games taking up over half the vote, you can't tell who will support each side. You can't tell how any game would do against another head to head based on a multi-game poll. (For the most most part) yeah, lol, remember that poll that asked who your favorite Mario series character besides Mario and Yoshi destroyed Bowser in that poll? what happened when they faced off one-on-one in last year's contest? yeah that's what i thought. and even if the poll was an exact same one-on-one poll that we will see in the contest, people's opinions can change over a year or two. previous polls cannot be used as an accurate prediction basis. --- Please go nominate Secret of Mana for SNES. Right Now. A Cheese Legend of Trivia 12 |
| From: creativename | Posted: 3/4/2004 12:08:11 AM | Message Detail |
| Cloud
beat Link in 2003 with the combined effort of FF7 and KH, not one or
the other. On the strength of only FF7 alone, as we saw him in 2002,
Cloud would have lost to Link somewhere in the 62-38 range. As has already been said, that is an *excellent* point. I hadn't even thought of that. If you go buy "game popularity = most popularity character popularity", then we already know the result for Ocarina of Time vs. Final Fantasy 7: it was the pre-Kingdom Hearts 2002 semi-Final. Sephiroth was the most popular FF7 character at the time, and Link beat him with 57%. I still think that the match will be very close...I think that SMB3, Chrono Trigger, Ocarina of Time, and FF7 would all basically split the votes with each other. Maybe even LoZ, LttP, and FF VI as well. To be honest, while the GameSpy results don't mean much, I actually think that the GameSpy result for FF7 vs. Chrono Trigger might be very close to what would happen here as well. The winner of this contest is by no means clear cut. I hope everyone's very excited, because this is going to be one hell of a ride ;-) This contest is by no means predictable. Even if a "favorite" like FF7/OoT wins, it probably won't be by much. --- Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4! |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 3/4/2004 12:18:06 AM | Message Detail |
| Am
I the only one that doesn`t think that Chrono Trigger will even be in
the final? Honestly, Mario may gather hate because of the characters
contests, but with the sole exception of Sunshine, his big-name games
don`t have much of a negative aura, where as a lot of people feel that
Chrono Trigger was too short, and too easy, myself included. It might
even lose to Super Mario World. --- My SC2K4 Petition: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=7&topic=12558738 Boards Hunted: 3277 |
| From: Zaphod H | Posted: 3/4/2004 12:24:28 AM | Message Detail |
| Well,
if you're talking about the correspondence of popularity between the
character (from previous SCs) and the game, I analyze it as this: I think Link pretty much has a 1 to 1 correspondence in popularity with his games, at least, with OoT and LttP. There is no real reason why a person would like the character and not the game. Characters from RPGs, on the other hand, will have less of a popularity correlation with the games. The reason is because RPGs *technically* have more character development, and as such, characters will have personalities that some will love, and others will hate. Thus, someone may prefer Link over Cloud because he believes Cloud is just a big fraud, but in fact may like FF 7 as a game more than OoT. Thus I don't think the results from the Summer Contests can truly predict which game will beat which. It can used as a rough measure, for sure, but basing your choice solely on the Summer Contest results is not that wise, IMHO. --- Supporting Super Smash Brothers Melee for the 2004 Spring Contest going ALL THE WAY. It's tankalicous, like DK. |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 3/4/2004 12:33:41 AM | Message Detail |
| I
have based my results entirely on SC results. I originally made many
judgement errors because of this, and have since corrected them. Basically, I used a mix of the Summer Contests, past polls, and sheer common sense in the end. But hey, if I screw up here and there, who cares? It`s just a game. --- My SC2K4 Petition: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=7&topic=12558738 Boards Hunted: 3277 |
| From: Zaphod H | Posted: 3/4/2004 12:38:25 AM | Message Detail |
| Ha ha, definitely, this discussion is more useful for those who are eligible to win the prizes anyway. I'm not eligible, so I'm just reading the analysis for leisure, plus this means I'm not gonna change my bracket 50 times a day just because of others' opinions and analysis on the matches. Going by my sig I doubt my bracket has much of a chance of scoring well anyways, even if I was eligible, ha ha. --- Supporting Super Smash Brothers Melee for the 2004 Spring Contest going ALL THE WAY. It's tankalicous, like DK. |
| From: Heroic Tails | Posted: 3/4/2004 2:13:32 AM | Message Detail |
| Interesting
read, UltimaterializerX. I think I may have Wind Waker go two rounds
farther afterall. And actually, if I have OoT winning the whole thing,
meaning Zelda is strong, I should probably have Wind Waker beating
Metroid Prime anyway. I won't change my mind on SSBM vs MGS2 just yet though. I'll take an even greater risk. ^^ --- "I tried a SMB speed run once but I ran into the first Goomba and died because I forgot to jump. After that, I never tried again." - PsychoSwordsman |
| From: FastFalcon05 | Posted: 3/4/2004 2:58:27 AM | Message Detail |
| First
off, yeah GTA beat Super Smash brothers, but it was by about 1000
votes, and yeah FFX did too with almost 5000 votes. Yeah,
percentage-wise it looks bad, but this was more than two years ago and
the poll only got 30800 votes. That is a lot of votes, but it isn't
that much either. Also, if Vercetti is any representation of his game, well Zelda did better against MegaMan than he did. I'm pretty sure of this, but too lazy to check it now. Now, yeah, Zelda does get some of Link's votes, but her pictures were from Super Smash Brothers, and her playability was from Super Smash Brothers, this could mean something, but it could also be due to Link. Vercetti didn't slaughter Kite, and he almost lost to Donkey Kong. I just don't think VC is that strong here. --- Was nokia trying to prove that something can be made worse than x-box? ~Darkbaconslayer on N-Gage |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/4/2004 4:52:27 AM | Message Detail |
| So...
we have a game with huge lasting power, still praised as the best game
on a major console (and said console now rivals with PS2, according to
recent polls) vs. a game that was bigger upon release, but generates
more hype in court than among gamers nowadays. Okay, so I'm
exaggerating that one, but still, I think SSBM will win this match.
Almost as many people own a Cube as they do a PS2 here, and while SSBM
is considered a must-have on GameCube, VC is obviously lower on that
scale, given the insane library. Add practically no hate for SSBM
compared to VC, and you have yourself a nice little win for SSBM. Never underestimate the power of fanboyism. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 3/4/2004 5:46:15 AM | Message Detail |
| I
wouldn't go by FAQS rank. Because all that means is that a lot of
people need help on the game. I would rather go on board rank,
especially on games that have been out for awhile. But more people here use the FAQs, not the boards. I recognize that the FAQ rank could be very misleading in a match like Vice City v. SSBM because of the different needs of each game, though. I'm swinging back toward Vice City because I have a bad feeling about SSBM, and hey, I'm in Canada, so I can take some risks. Thanks for the poll results, UltimaterializerX. I still find it disturbing that more people voted for that turd of a game FFX-2 over KOTOR. --- "Your fate is sealed, and none but yours." -- Auron Proud Supporter of Starcraft in the Spring 2004 Contest |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/4/2004 6:48:26 AM | Message Detail |
| I
think neither is reliable... if we were to trust them, SMB3 would lose
to Metroid. Not gonna happen, sorry. And history shows that old polls
aren't much more reliable... so all we have for the time being are wild
guesses on the hard matches. I'm not expecting any miracles with my
bracket this spring... I'll be very happy if I get 3 matches out of 4
correct. Back on the SSBM issue, I thought some more of it, and then it hit me. How is SSBM so different from Kingdom Hearts, which isn't seen going very far (I wouldn't call winning such a weak 4-pack a feat)? After all, SSBM has Mario, Link, Samus, Ganondorf, Bowser, etc., and KH has Cloud, Sephiroth, Aeris, Tidus, Squall... Both are good games in their own rights, but in both cases, the characters make the game sell, moreso than the actual gameplay. In that view of things, since I don't see KH beating Vice City, I'm seriously starting to doubt whether SSBM can do it or not. That and it's a fighting game that we're comparing to an RPG. Funny how I first hesitated between SSBM and WW, then between SSBM and FF10, now between SSBM and VC. What next, me guaranteeing a first round loss? --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW |
| From: steve illumina | Posted: 3/4/2004 6:52:28 AM | Message Detail |
| Vice
City will lose to Star Wars: KOTOR. The PC crowd will get 1 victory and
this is it, with help from the Xbox Nation and Star Wars fans in
general who will vote for it just cause they liked the movies even
though they never played it. RPG fans will vote for it over Vice just
cause it is an RPG, even if they never played it either. Slowflake is right, Vice City just aint all that on this board. And ya gotta take that crossover fanboyism from the movie fans into account. I think that might be the deciding factor in this 'upset'. --- Trivia XII: Neo Diehards...SC2K4: Match 1: Go SMB3! "A real gamer...standing tall against fanboys for over 20 years!" |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/4/2004 6:56:58 AM | Message Detail |
| I
have to disagree on that... I think crossovers and franchise voters
only become very important if the two games aren't popular (that's why
I picked PS over Contra). But there you have KOTOR and Vice City, both made a huge splash here... even the fact that it's an RPG can't save it from its X-Box roots. Not the anti-votes, mind you, these are for Halo... but about 2 out of 5 people here own an X-Box, against 3 out of 4 for the other two. That and I can't see KOTOR beating SSBM, whereas it's a possibility with Vice City. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW |
| From: Heroic Tails | Posted: 3/4/2004 7:11:22 AM | Message Detail |
| Funny
how I first hesitated between SSBM and WW, then between SSBM and FF10,
now between SSBM and VC. What next, me guaranteeing a first round loss? Hehe. I'm still wondering if I really should change my mind on this or not. On the Twin Snakes site, it's said that Metal Gear Solid is considered to have the best story (thus explaining Snake's popularity), while Metal Gear Solid 2 has the best gameplay (so it should much more popular than Raiden alone, and I'm not even talking about Same Fanbase Factor which probably had a role in Raiden's low votes) - I don't know how much this is true, since I haven't played either of these games, but this at least gives me reasons to believe SSBM losing here isn't out of the question. But I'm pretty confident about SSBM losing against Vice City anyway. Of course, at this point, my opinions and guesses are just as good as anyone else's. --- "I tried a SMB speed run once but I ran into the first Goomba and died because I forgot to jump. After that, I never tried again." - PsychoSwordsman |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 3/4/2004 8:08:44 AM | Message Detail |
| Vice
City will lose to Star Wars: KOTOR. The PC crowd will get 1 victory and
this is it, with help from the Xbox Nation and Star Wars fans in
general who will vote for it just cause they liked the movies even
though they never played it. 1) Xbox fans are outnumbered by those who revile the system and/or like Vice City and have never played KOTOR due to it not being on the PS2 or GameCube. Not to mention those who have played both games and like Vice City better (which should be a statistical impossibility)... 2) KOTOR's Star Wars origins will hurt it, not help it. I know more people who refuse to play it because it's Star Wars-based than those who were psyched about it because it was based in the Star Wars universe. 3) Who likes the Star Wars movies? The recent ones, anyway, won't help the game much. I don't think Star Wars fanboyism can stand up to GTA fanboyism on a video game site, anyway. RPG fans will vote for it over Vice just cause it is an RPG, even if they never played it either. 4) Another instance of RPGs being overestimated. I think the anti-Xbox and anti-Star Wars vote is far greater than any purely pro-RPG vote. The site is more pro-Square than pro-RPGs in general. --- "Your fate is sealed, and none but yours." -- Auron Proud Supporter of Starcraft in the Spring 2004 Contest |
| From: solarshadow | Posted: 3/4/2004 9:07:06 AM | Message Detail |
| Going
back to Pong vs. RCR. I think the point I was trying to make (before I
talked myself out of it), is that the simple fact that RCR made it into
the contest may be an indication that it is more popular than we give
it credit for. Particularly when you consider how competitive it was to
get the NES nominations, and that it is seeded higher than more famous
NES games like Contra and Metal Gear. Then, consider that its opponent
may be there more because of nostalgia and less because of popularity,
and it could create an interesting new perspective. The same with Duck
Hunt and especially Earthbound (which is actually seeded higher than
Doom). Now here's the problem. I think RCR is definitely more popular than Pong among people who are aware of both games. If only the people who submitted nominations voted, RCR would win. But if we have to worry about 100,000 people voting, simple recognition is a very big factor. And Pong definitely has the advantage there. Hence, I still have to give the overall edge to Pong. I'm still a little worried that RCR may be even more popular than I'd thought, but if even Slowflake hasn't played it... As for Duck Hunt and Earthbound, I think they may have slight advantages. Voter apathy towards Donkey Kong will give Duck Hunt an exploitable opening. And PC indifference will hurt Doom, possibly to the point where the cult-favorite Earthbound could pull off an impressive win. Hmm. UltimaterializerX: And solar, I`m hurt. I make good posts in your topics, too ;_; Did I ever imply otherwise? I think everybody in here makes good posts. It's a joy to read (if you can keep up). --- Contest Stats: http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com |
| From: MyWorldIsStillSquare | Posted: 3/4/2004 9:11:56 AM | Message Detail |
I've said it once and I'll say it again: the majority of people on this site have overestimated Super Smash Brothers Melee. SSBM will defeat MGS2, if only because even some hardcore MGS fans like myself my vote SSBM out of Raiden-inspired anger. Even still, it's going to be a lot closer than some of you expect. It's definately not going to be a blowout, it's pitting one of the best games out on PS2 and GCN, and 3% more people at this site actually own PS2s and not GCNs. MGS2's surprisingly decent showing will be very revealing about things to come. Anyway, SSBM will probably beat Vice City too, because Vice City is not very popular here. In fact, given Snake's popularity over Vercetti, I could easily see SSBM winning by a slightly greater interger over GTA:VC than over MGS2. But just look at the 2001 Best Game Poll. Yeah. FFX has an elite eight appearance in the bag, and SSBM will go home a bit earlier than most people think. --- Its been proven...MWISS >>> maplejet, know your good SC2K3 users. |
| From: Zaphod H | Posted: 3/4/2004 9:27:12 AM | Message Detail |
| After
all, SSBM has Mario, Link, Samus, Ganondorf, Bowser, etc., and KH has
Cloud, Sephiroth, Aeris, Tidus, Squall... Both are good games in their
own rights, but in both cases, the characters make the game sell,
moreso than the actual gameplay. I disagree with that point (yes, I am a big SSBM fan, but hear me out...) Featuring all the star Nintendo players obviously helped SSB 64 gain the attention it needed for players to pick up the title. With the timeframe between SSB 64 and SSBM, I think many got into SSBM because of SSB 64. Actually, what caught my interest for SSB 64 was its unique 4-player fighter concept, not that it starts Mario and Link. I think that although SSBM features a lot of all star characters from Nintendo, this feature is by no means the major reason of its popularity. I truly believe that the reason why this game has such staying power is because of it's amazing gameplay, replay value, and just sheer fun. I mean, you can feature all the most popular characters you want, but if the game is not good, it certainly won't have the staying power SSBM has shown itself to have. Think about its seeding, I doubt that SSBM got a lot of nominations just because board-users thought "Hey, it stars Mario, Link, AND Samus, how can you lose?". Plus most people have a favourite among those 3 characters, why wouldn't they nominate WW, MP, or Sunshine instead? I think it really means something when on GameFAQS, where RPGs and platformers reign supreme, that an Action-Fighter got a #2 seed nomination, even if it does star all the popular Nintendo characters. --- Supporting Super Smash Brothers Melee for the 2004 Spring Contest going ALL THE WAY. It's tankalicous, like DK. |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 3/4/2004 9:56:02 AM | Message Detail |
| Slowflake: I totally disagree with SSB:M getting more attention from its characters than its gameplay. The game has some of the all time greatest gameplay ever made. *hi-fives MWIS* I also think SSBM is vastly overrated here, but that`s simply because there is no hate for the game. Everyone who plays it, likes it. So how in the world could any of us create an argument against the game when it goes up against a game that seems lesser liked? SSB:M is a game that could either lose in the first round, or win the entire contest. Or it could lose any of its matches. We simply don`t know what to expect from it, which is the case with all games/characters making their first appearence. Did I ever imply otherwise? I think everybody in here makes good posts. It's a joy to read (if you can keep up). I was being sarcastic, solar :) You never mention me in thos "thanks for posting in my topics" posts, and I felt like joking around. GO US! --- My SC2K4 Petition: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=7&topic=12558738 Boards Hunted: 3277 |
| From: Starion | Posted: 3/4/2004 10:06:35 AM | Message Detail |
| I never thought choosing could be this difficult. There seems to be a hell of a lot more factors to consider (compared to the character contest.) SSBM is a good example. It has popular Nintendo characters, good gameplay, chart mainstay, etc. But I have to wonder whether the "casual" voter would vote for this game. |
| From: solarshadow | Posted: 3/4/2004 10:11:13 AM | Message Detail |
| I was being sarcastic, solar :) You never mention me in thos "thanks for posting in my topics" posts I believe I thanked "everyone who contributed to any of the discussion topics", which would include you, wouldn't it? I also believe "go us!" includes you, as well as the time I thanked "everyone else who I've forgotten". ;) Seriously though, it's gotten beyond my ability to personally thank everyone who has made a meaningful contribution to these topics without leaving some important people out. It's certainly not intentional. Soupy's the only person I wouldn't thank. ;p --- Contest Stats: http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com |
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