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| From: solarshadow | Posted: 3/2/2004 9:02:40 PM | Message Detail |
| Pong vs. River City Ransom... Heh, this should be good. I honestly didn't think RCR would make it in, despite how good it is and despite how it seems to have a fairly decent cult following (much like Earthbound). Its inclusion was the most pleasant surprise of the bracket. As for Pong, well, everybody knows Pong. Now, what does this say about the nominations? Pong no doubt received some nostalgia nods, a couple vintage votes, and a few obligatory acknowledgements. Everyone expects to find the grandfather of games in the contest. Therefore, I don't think the nominations necessarily reflect the popularity of the game in this case. Not to mention that it wouldn't have had much competition on the systems it was nominated for. RCR, on the other hand, is here solely based on its popularity. There were no heritage considerations and no "expected" status. In fact, considering the amount of competition it had on its system (the NES), it's a minor miracle that it's here at all (let alone a 10 seed). It's based on this that I think RCR has a chance of beating Pong. Of course, Pong will still pull in votes for all the reasons it was nominated, but RCR will have the passionate voters who really care about the game. The only question is: will that be enough? Pure exposure might push Pong over the top when voters are forced to choose one, but I still think RCR has an outside chance. More consideration is needed. And doesn't RCR have a remake/sequel coming out? Or was that just a wishful dream? I also think the idea of "expected status" versus "nomination surprise" comes into play in a couple of other matches. Namely Donkey Kong vs. Duck Hunt and Earthbound vs. Doom (and maybe Pokémon vs. Xenogears). DK and Doom are well-recognized games that practically had a spot reserved for them, while DH and Earthbound are showing a deep, hidden popularity by doing so well in the nominations. I guess the trick here is to weigh the value of the nominations against the opinions of GameFAQs visitors as a whole. I mean, if the nominations were exactly representative of how the polls will go, there wouldn't be much point in running the contest, now would there? :) --- Contest Stats: http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com |
| From: Sonic Freak | Posted: 3/2/2004 9:05:35 PM | Message Detail |
| I voted pong because it has a more reconized the name. |
| From: Z1mZum | Posted: 3/2/2004 9:07:12 PM | Message Detail |
| I
like how solarshadow brought up the fact that some of the people here
are nominating (and will be voting) for games that they care about. Take Xenogears vs Pokemon. Pokemon (in my opinion) is going to be the more well-known game, but could there be a throng of hidden anti-Pokemon voters? Another good question, does having Square or Squaresoft or Square Enix tattooed on the cover of the game guarantee a win, or is it overrated? --- Mega Man in the Summer Contest '04? You better believe it! |
| From: MUKMASTER2 | Posted: 3/2/2004 9:07:20 PM | Message Detail |
| SC
has a good chance of causing havic. Battle.net is a big place, and I'm
sure SC diehards would campaign there heavily, and that translates into
a lot of votes. --- "is it soup day at the old people home soon? that's the closest the raiders are getting to anything involving a bowl."~netfan2000 |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 3/2/2004 9:07:53 PM | Message Detail |
| I
guess the trick here is to weigh the value of the nominations against
the opinions of GameFAQs visitors as a whole. I mean, if the
nominations were exactly representative of how the polls will go, there
wouldn't be much point in running the contest, now would there? :) That's why I'm starting to lean toward Doom...it's likely more widely recognized. I'll probably have to change my pick on that one. For the same reason, I'm standing behind my Pokemon/Xenogears prediction. Pokemon G/S/C is ahead of Xenogears in the nominations just barely, but I suspect that is partly because the nominations got split between P G/S/C, R/B/Y, etc. That aside, Xenogears is above Earthbound as far as recognizability but still firmly entrenched in cultist land, I fear. The people who nominated the games are likely more fanatical about games than the average browser who just answers the polls and doesn't bother reading the news. Pokemon is definitely more entrenched in this larger base. --- "Your fate is sealed, and none but yours." -- Auron Proud Supporter of Starcraft in the Spring 2004 Contest |
| From: cyko | Posted: 3/2/2004 9:08:35 PM | Message Detail |
| wll,
okay, if you want to get technical on me, Chichiri, the first game was
called "Tennis" and was created by Willy Higinbotham. however "Tennis"
is the same game as Pong. Pong was simply the marketed Atari version of
"Tennis" that was sent out to arcades across America. --- Please go nominate Secret of Mana for SNES. Right Now. A Cheese Legend of Trivia 12 |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 3/2/2004 9:10:05 PM | Message Detail |
| This board is going to cause me to fail my midterm tomorrow due to lack of sleep... --- "Your fate is sealed, and none but yours." -- Auron Proud Supporter of Starcraft in the Spring 2004 Contest |
| From: Frost King | Posted: 3/2/2004 9:11:27 PM | Message Detail |
| Alright, here are some of my predictions for the contest, but just the final 8. Final 8: Mario 3 Zelda 1 Chrono Trigger FF3 FF7 Zelda OOT Wind Waker FFX Mario 3 vs Zelda 1 Chrono Trigger vs FF3 Zelda OOT vs FF7 FFX vs Wind Waker Why you ask? Well, FF7 just lost to OOT, of course the square fanboys are gonna be pissed off. Also, Wind Waker was considered by many far too easy and sailing too boring. Chrono Trigger vs Mario 3 Mario has beaten Chrono the past two years. I think it wont happen again. Zelda: OOT vs FFX Nintendo Fanboys pissed about WW and Mario 3 losing to Square. Zelda: OOT vs Chrono Trigger --- From the land beyond beyond, from the world past hope and fear, I bid you genie now appear. |
| From: StopPokingMe | Posted: 3/2/2004 9:12:42 PM | Message Detail |
| In
the particular case of Pong vs. RCR (and nowhere else in the bracket),
I think we'll see a sort of "pity vote" propel Pong to a reasonable win. Many, many of the voters will have never played either game, but Pong is so old and legendary people will see the matchup and think "hey, Pong, that's cute. I think I'll throw it a vote over NES-game-I've-never-heard-of-#562." --- The GameFAQs Summer Contest 2003 Fanfiction Project: http://crolapras.tripod.com/ffproj.html |
| From: cyko | Posted: 3/2/2004 9:14:25 PM | Message Detail |
| And doesn't RCR have a remake/sequel coming out? Or was that just a wishful dream? yep, Solarshadow!! the remake comes out April 15th for Game Boy Advance. it might be one week too late, though......... --- Please go nominate Secret of Mana for SNES. Right Now. A Cheese Legend of Trivia 12 |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 3/2/2004 9:14:40 PM | Message Detail |
| With two games like Pong and RCR, the one that most people have heard of will get the vote. Has nothing to do with quality. This means Pong will emerge victorious. --- "Your fate is sealed, and none but yours." -- Auron Proud Supporter of Starcraft in the Spring 2004 Contest |
| From: Ngamer64 | Posted: 3/2/2004 9:45:39 PM | Message Detail |
| Somewhat
interesting stats I just gleaned from the topic asking people for their
Final Fours (the one that's about to go over 100 posts, or,
http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=8&topic=12918371&page=0
). Here are the results for what the board is predicting to happen: Final Four Predictions (through Sonic Freak) Classic Division 1. Mario 3 - 72 2. Zelda 1 - 7 Golden Division 1. Chrono Trigger - 56 2. Link to the Past - 13 3. FF3/6 - 6 4. Super Metroid - 3 5. Mario World - 2 Platinum Division 1. FF7 - 48 2. Ocarina of Time - 30 Modern Division 1. Melee - 34 2. FFX - 16 3. Prime - 11 4. Wind Waker - 10 5. Vice City - 6 6. Kingdom Hearts - 2 I only included games with more than one prediction, to take care of any joke votes. Some very interesting numbers here... I didn't except Mario 3 to run away with it quite so easily, that's a huge lead it's got on Zelda. Chrono is about as expected... But I imagined that Ocarina would be able to stick a little closer to FF7. Biggest surprise, though, has got to be Melee. It's got such an incredibly tough road to travel, and yet is way out in front in its division. I like the way that looks. --- the-elite.net Ngamer's Contest Archives: http://geocities.com/cyber1166/gamefaqs |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 3/2/2004 10:22:39 PM | Message Detail |
| Chrono
Trigger vs. Super Mario RPG: Is there any doubt? As far as RPGs go,
Square rules on GameFAQs, and CT is one of the favorites. Farewell,
Mario RPG. Winner: Chrono Trigger Oh, just remembered SM RPG was a Square game too -- so that's why it was so great ;) Anyway, regardless, CT = more popular. Gotta love Square v. Square. --- "Your fate is sealed, and none but yours." -- Auron Proud Supporter of Starcraft in the Spring 2004 Contest |
| From: creativename | Posted: 3/3/2004 2:12:23 AM | Message Detail |
| Great job tabulating the results Ngamer64! I actually made a topic earlier after reading those prediction threads. I was just astounded that SSBM was running away with the 128 division that badly. I figured FFX, Wind Waker, and Metroid Prime each be considered to have better odds of winning the division than SSBM. It does make sense for SSBM to be favored over WW and MP since it got more noms than them, for the same system; however, I just don't know about FFX. I can't understand how it could be so heavily favored over Final Fantasy X...? FFX is very popular, and was only one seed lower despite being on the far more popular system. I can see FFX vs. SSBM being considered a tough call, however I don't get how SSBM is such a clear favorite. In any case, this is a tough contest. I believe SMB3, Chrono Trigger, FF7, Ocarina of Time, and Super Smash Bros. Melee each have a great shot at winning it all. Of those, I think SSBM has the lowest chance; but it does have a higher chance than FFX, Wind Waker, and Prime, since each of those games would lose to the winner of FF7/Ocarina in the semis anyway. Like many others, I think that Final Fantasy 7 and Ocarina of Time are the strongest competitors in the contest. The 128 division is weak compared to the others and I think the winner is just semi-final fodder. However I could definitely see SMB3 or Chrono Trigger beating the winner of Final Fantasy 7 vs. Ocarina of Time in the finals. My worst nightmare is seeing SMB3 win the whole thing. I always loathed it as a child and consider it the most overrated and the most overpopular game ever. I remember how it was the #1 game in the Nintendo Power rankings for years...man, that pissed me off. Sadly, it is a monster in this contest for those very reasons...and not only is it the best selling game ever, but it had a recent GBA remake to boot. I'm hoping that Legend of Zelda will pull the shocking upset. But my worst nightmare of SMB3 beating Chrono Trigger (Mario defeats Chrono again), and then proceeding to beat Final Fantasy 7, is very possible. --- Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4! |
| From: SlangEdter41 | Posted: 3/3/2004 2:35:23 AM | Message Detail |
| LoZ
beating SMB3 wouldn't be much of an upset. Zelda doubled Mario in every
poll ever taken here. On a sidenote, I think all 3 metroid games got
screwed by brackets. They'll all face intra-company superiors in the
2nd round. The fact that Super Metroid will go out in the 2nd round
doesn't sit well with me. Besides that, anybody feel the upcoming Twin
Snakes may boost MGS's chances against FF7? --- Dusis' bullet will avoid Moran Shetland's body and just pass by it. |
| From: Shaker | Posted: 3/3/2004 4:18:55 AM | Message Detail |
If someone manages to perfect the Modern Division, it has a very good chance of winning the whole bracket game. =/ --- Mara Juana Keelju is owning that fool like a $2 hooker tryin' to get a 20 dollar bill ~MrStillSmokin' on his boxing match with Maplejet |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/3/2004 5:34:54 AM | Message Detail |
| Absolutely. Much like you needed a good West in 2002, and a good South in 2003... but arguably to a much greater extent. I can't figure out for the life of me why SSBM is such a heavy favorite. It's got an even harder road than Kefka last year for the championship. As someone said in another topic, it COULD win its division... or go out in the first round. OR ANYTHING IN BETWEEN! But it seems that most people that give reasons for their picks have it stopping at FF10. This just feels wrong, yet it feels right for some reason. Oh well, I'd say the same if I picked SSBM to win the match. There's also the problem of who FF10/SSBM will challenge in the division finals... people are underestimating Wind Waker all over the place. They let the four or five very vocal "OMG CEL-SHADING IS t3H KIDDAHE" get to them. DIZNEE doesn't hinder KH much, huh? Same here. That's why there's any hype for Metroid Prime at all (though don't get me wrong, it's my favorite game for Gamecube, and my favorite Metroid). But hey, Prime is in the running for a reason, and it could win providing the right elements are there. I just doubt they are. Oh yes, the division finals, sorry. WW isn't a given against either game, far from it. Although FF10 always finishes a distant third in favorite FF polls, it doesn't mean it'll do four or five times worse than FF7. But how can it do exactly compared to FF7? Speaking of polls, how could Squall constantly beat Tidus in the "favorite FF hero" ones, yet Tidus has always outperformed Squall in contests? If Tidus is this popular, could FF10 be even stronger game-wise? If so, WW is toast... but it seems that polls and character contests follow a different set of physics (case in point, Bowser vs. Yoshi, Tidus vs. Squall, and also Kefka). Maybe the spring contest isn't subjected to some laws we think exist for now... but there's an off-season for something, and that's to figure out these laws. Plus, see my Tidus/Auron/Crono/Magus comparison about a hundred posts ago. If Tidus, like I supposed there, isn't less popular than his game (game voters galore on his matches maybe?)... then, since we all know Link could almost double Tidus one on one, that gives Link plenty of room to play with. Then there's SSBM... again, neither game is out of the wood just yet. WW is a masterpiece... but SSBM is THE game to have for the Gamecube. It can potentially combine all the Nintendo fanbases... but I think it will be more like a part of each fanbase. Show a weakness against Zelda... and Link will stab you right there. But still, as I said, SSBM's defined as a must-have, and it plays in its favor. The funny thing is... they're all fighting for a much more horrible death in the semifinals. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 3/3/2004 6:17:01 AM | Message Detail |
| To
add to Slowflake’s discussion, I think the seeding of SSBM is
misleading. Consider how many good (as in “classic”) games there are
for the GameCube. There are three. I’d say since it got more
nominations than MP and WW, it might have a decent chance against those
games, although I’d urge you that the matches would be close. However,
this isn’t going to be an issue in my discussion, so I’ll just move
along (since I have class in ten minutes…) I would say that the seedings mean nothing when two games from different systems are pitted against each other. Consider FFX, for example. There are far more games out there to steal the PS2 vote than there are for the GameCube. There are many more RPGs on the PS2 (e.g. Kingdom Hearts, Xenosaga), as well as strong games from other genres like MGS2 and, more importantly, Vice City. Heck, I didn’t nominate FFX; I nominated Xenosaga because I assumed FFX would be there regardless and I would be wasting my nomination. I believe that SSBM is suffering from a lesser version of Halo syndrome. I predict many screwed brackets when Vice City defeats it. I’m not comfortable with many of my choices, but as far as SSBM goes, I see very clearly where it will end up and I don’t think the match against FFX will even happen. --- "Your fate is sealed, and none but yours." -- Auron Proud Supporter of Starcraft in the Spring 2004 Contest |
| From: steve illumina | Posted: 3/3/2004 6:24:08 AM | Message Detail |
| If someone manages to perfect the Modern Division, it has a very good chance of winning the whole bracket game. =/ Thats my plan! :) SSBM has this one, the dark horse #2 seed to shock the board to the core. This is gonna be a long month...I am already ready for April 1st --- Trivia XII: Neo Diehards...SC2K4: Match 1: Go SMB3! "A real gamer...standing tall against fanboys for over 20 years!" |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/3/2004 6:32:18 AM | Message Detail |
| I
think the nominations part pretty much goes out of the window once the
contest begins. It just goes down to which game people like more,
regardless of the console. You talk about other games stealing
nominations from FF10, and that the people who nominated these games
will vote for FF10... this isn't a given. Same for SSBM... I can see an
insane amount of people who nominated MP and WW supporting SSBM too,
and a few will probably vote for FF10. And for Vice City? Come on, SSBM's status is well beyond that. Many people have doubts on whether it will get out of the first round alive. That's stretching it, I agree, but much like Vercetti last year, at the first sight of competition you'll see VC wetting its pants... okay, that was a very bad comparison, but you get my point. Sure, Vice City was big when it came out, but the dust has to fall down someday, and I think it's either at that stage or past it. It's definitely past it for SSBM, yet its board is still more populated than a recent Final Fantasy title, whereas VC can't top a little older ones. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW |
| From: Seadragon76 | Posted: 3/3/2004 6:35:34 AM | Message Detail |
| So basically, the only fighting that'll do good is SSBM, correct? Seeing the bracket gives me even more reasons why I hate Square and RPG's, period. --- Uncle Seadragon wants you to support Fighting games in the 2004 Spring contest! Fighters Left: SFII, MK, SC, SSBM |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/3/2004 6:37:29 AM | Message Detail |
| Right.
That's because it's not your average fighter, unlike the Mortal
Kombats, Street Fighters, Tekken, Dead or Alives out there. Though that
last one isn't, either. ;) I think SF2 is going to round 2 though. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW |
| From: Qwaar | Posted: 3/3/2004 6:39:42 AM | Message Detail |
| To whoever said Pong was the first Video Game, It was the second.I believe the first was Computer Space in 1971. --- "Hobbes, she stumbled into the perimeter of wisdom.Run!" |
| From: Seadragon76 | Posted: 3/3/2004 6:40:22 AM | Message Detail |
| Well,
I guess doing this to support the genre everyone hates is indeed a
stupid move. Why? The place is crawling with Square fanboys. --- Uncle Seadragon wants you to support Fighting games in the 2004 Spring contest! Fighters Left: SFII, MK, SC, SSBM |
| From: KrusTy the KloWn | Posted: 3/3/2004 6:41:11 AM | Message Detail |
| http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=8&topic=12934327 GO.NOW! --- Spring Contest: Winner: FF7 - Finalist: ??? - Semifinalists: ??? & FFX Never underestimate the true power of fanboyism. ~CJayC |
| From: SlangEdter41 | Posted: 3/3/2004 6:53:07 AM | Message Detail |
| I
think FFX pulled ahead of FF6 popularity wise, at least here in
Gamefaqs. I don't know if this is just the matter of FF6 getting old or
FFX gaining popularity, which complicates 2 divisions. SSBM being a
multiplayer game doesn't help it's case either. FFX may just take WW
and win it's division afterall, with FF6 going out with a whimper
against LTTP. --- Dusis' bullet will avoid Moran Shetland's body and just pass by it. |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 3/3/2004 8:20:08 AM | Message Detail |
| And
for Vice City? Come on, SSBM's status is well beyond that. Many people
have doubts on whether it will get out of the first round alive. That's
stretching it, I agree, but much like Vercetti last year, at the first
sight of competition you'll see VC wetting its pants... okay, that was
a very bad comparison, but you get my point. Not really. I think Vercetti's performance is irrelevant, much like Pikachu to Pokemon. Not that Vercetti is hated but he's not exactly liked as a character, either. Sure, Vice City was big when it came out, but the dust has to fall down someday, and I think it's either at that stage or past it. It's definitely past it for SSBM, yet its board is still more populated than a recent Final Fantasy title, whereas VC can't top a little older ones. Hmm? I think the FAQ ratings are more important than the message boards. If only message board users were voting then SSBM would have it in the bag but people come here for the FAQs more than to use the message boards. I'm not saying SSBM has no chance against Vice City because it very well may, and I may eat my words. It does have a huge following for such an old, non-RPG game. The idea that it could beat Vice City is feasible. The idea that it could beat FFX is laughable, however. I may end up putting SSBM in over Vice City in the end (if only due to my own personal preference for SSBM over VC and because I really want to see VC go down after beating a superior game like KOTOR) but FFX would beat SSBM by a respectable margin. It's Final Fantasy, its popularity is far greater than its hero, and its been on the Top 10 FAQ list here since it came out. --- "Your fate is sealed, and none but yours." -- Auron Proud Supporter of Starcraft in the Spring 2004 Contest |
| From: neoatomtaco | Posted: 3/3/2004 8:42:25 AM | Message Detail |
| basically you have best of each genre verusing each other in the first round. Halo(x-box &pc) vs. Starcraft (PC & N64) - X-box and pc both get very little love on this site, but i think Halo has the advantage of being newer and maybe even more popular. Starcraft 64 was a rare game that people who dont play pc games probably havent played. While Halo seems to be a game that everyone has played at least once. Both have great multiplayer modes and also a good single player mode. Halo has an advantage with the fact that it has a new game coming out this year, and that this game just keeps getting hyped more and more, while Starcraft is dying down to more of a hardcore fan base. So to sum it up: Each will have their fanbase show in true form, but Halo has the advantage with the new and console fanboy votes. So i give it to Halo by a slim margin. --- "isnt monkey love a beautiful thing"Rikku-FFX-2I am not a Taco ingrediant, Damn you! BTW yes it is. LOL |
| From: steve illumina | Posted: 3/3/2004 8:55:57 AM | Message Detail |
| Halo vs StarCraft is getting a lot of talk..but it really wont be that close. Halo is the game that made the XBox what it is today. The Xbox Live capable sequel is widely anticipated by the XBox Nation (me too heh) as well as by FPS diehard PC players who like or even love Halo. Remember Halo was released for the PC not too long ago, and that garnered it more fans than just the Xbox Nation. StarCraft is a good game, a very good game, but it is in the wrong environment here. This site is console driven, for starters. Also, I tend to think Halo has more rabid fans...considering the 1500+ Master Chief believers last summer who garnered him the 3rd most nominations to win. What does StarCraft have other than solid multiplayer fun? Not a whole lot. Who plays that game really just against the computer? A few geeks at best. Halo began as mainly single player, but now networked Halo tourneys are in malls all over...I know this is a fact...my local mall has one coming up soon. I dont see that sort of word of mouth for StarCraft anyplace. Never did. Sure battle.net is solid, but its not what it was a year ago or even more years ago when this game came out. The 'Newness' of Halo will be another small factor in its favor here. This match will surprise peeps in its result. Console voters will vote Halo...no one hardly bought StarCraft for N64, hence its high buyback price at GameStop, heh. Also believe it or not, more people have 'heard' of Halo vs StarCraft. PC voters will be split between the FPS peeps for Halo and the strat-heads for StarCraft. This will give Halo the victory by a 2/3 margin, somewhere between 65-70%. Too bad for Halo, it will be its only victory... --- Trivia XII: Neo Diehards...SC2K4: Match 1: Go SMB3! "A real gamer...standing tall against fanboys for over 20 years!" |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 3/3/2004 10:01:47 AM | Message Detail |
| This
match will surprise peeps in its result. Console voters will vote
Halo...no one hardly bought StarCraft for N64, hence its high buyback
price at GameStop, heh. Also believe it or not, more people have
'heard' of Halo vs StarCraft. PC voters will be split between the FPS
peeps for Halo and the strat-heads for StarCraft. This will give Halo
the victory by a 2/3 margin, somewhere between 65-70%. Why will console voters vote Halo? There are plenty of console voters who dislike the Xbox and very few who dislike the PC (they just don't play many games on it around here). Nor do I believe that more people have heard of Halo than Starcraft. Starcraft has the name recognition advantage that Doom has; you don't have to have played it to have heard of it. Also, Halo for PC has nearly no following -- in fact, the PC version sucked and even some high-end PCs could only play it at low res. No, it will be getting no help from the PC community, just as it is unlikely that Starcraft will get help from the N64 community. This is Xbox vs. PC, period. I think there are enough people who are a) PC gamers, b) Xbox detractors, or c) have heard Starcraft referred to as a 'classic' game to outvote the small Xbox constituency here. --- "Your fate is sealed, and none but yours." -- Auron Proud Supporter of Starcraft in the Spring 2004 Contest |
| From: SlangEdter41 | Posted: 3/3/2004 10:15:02 AM | Message Detail |
| That
is the most ignorant post about Starcraft I've ever read. Single player
not fun? You've got to be kidding me. That game would have won PC GOY
awards without the vaunted multiplayer option. 99 out of 100 people
would say SC is the greatest RTS game ever created. No game dominates
it's genre quite like Starcraft, on PC or Console. You think there are
more diehard Halo fans than SC fans? Visit battlenet and see which 6
year old game is played by more users than newer Warcraft or Diablo
games. In fact, Starcraft is easily played more today than Halo,
period. SC not only sold tons more copies than Halo(6 million plus),
there are even more pirated copies out there. PC crowd may be weak
here, but so is XBOX. This might sound like Starcraft will slaughter
Halo, but that really isn't my intent. I just think some of you are
underestimating the most popular PC game ever created. --- Dusis' bullet will avoid Moran Shetland's body and just pass by it. |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 3/3/2004 10:27:49 AM | Message Detail |
| Absolutely. Much like you needed a good West in 2002, and a good South in 2003... but arguably to a much greater extent. Save Wario/Shadow, I had a perfect South.... >_> And I`m not underestimating WW, ****face :) Kingdom Hearts is one of my favorite games ever, and I still picked WW to win in the end. Killed me to do it, too. As for FFX vs WW, I just think it`s a Diet Coke version of FF7/OOT, really. FFX was a great game, despite what a lot of haters say about it. In fact, and you heard it here first, SSBM is the bigger challenge for FFX in that division. --- My SC2K4 Petition: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=7&topic=12558738 Boards Hunted: 3277 |
| From: Heroic Tails | Posted: 3/3/2004 11:12:05 AM | Message Detail |
| Ok, I guess I'll post my analysis here. *** Round 1 *** * Division 8 * SMB3 vs. Metal Gear Ok, the only thing Metal Gear has for it is its name, because the series didn't mainstream until Metal Gear Solid, meaning probably few people have played this game. SMB3 should win this without any problem. Metroid vs. Pac-Man The good news is that we have an exact idea of the strength of Pac-Man; there is no character that can reprensent its game better than Pac-Man. The bad news is that Metroid is most likely much weaker than Samus, making this match not so obvious. I'd still bet on Metroid to win this, if only because of the overall popularity of the series, its Nintendo origins, and the recent and remakes on both GBA and GC. Phantasy Star vs Contra Difficult choice. Will Phantasy Star Online have an effect on Phantasy Star's popularity? If we go by the games themselves, Contra beats Phantasy by the number and quality of reviews. But unlike Shaterred Soldier, PSO is huge. In the end, I think the name Phantasy Star will give it the victory. But it could go either way. Final Fantasy vs Pitfall No comment. Donkey Kong vs Duck Hunt Donkey Kong - will people vote for the game, or for the character? In the first case, Duck Hunt wins - lots of people who played SMB played Duck Hunt too. In the second case, it'll be close. I choose Duck Hunt partly because I feel it has the best chances and also because I dislike Donkey Kong. The Legend of Zelda vs Adventure dot dot dot Pong vs River City Ransom Here, most people will see a game they know against a game they don't know. Thus Pong will win (especially since I don't think Pong will have many anti-votes...) Tetris vs Galaga Same as above, plus the fact that Tetris has been played and liked by just about anybody. * Division 16 * Chrono Trigger vs Secret of Mana Secret of Mana is big - its low seed is probably due to half of the nominations going to Seiken Densetsu 3 - but Chrono Trigger is huge. Super Mario RPG vs Street Fighter II Street Fighter II was the fighting game back then. Hell, even I played it. Super Mario RPG has more of a cult following. And, like it's already been said, expect 90% of European people to vote for SF2. Still, this might go either way. Especially on GameFAQs. I'm unlikely to change this. Sonic the Hedgehog 2 vs Shining Force Super Mario World vs The Simpsons The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past vs Gunstar Heroes Super Metroid vs Phantasy Star IV Heh. Earthbound vs Doom Another difficult one; going just by reviews and board activity, Earthbound should win this... But Earthbound has already proved to have a very vocal fanbase. Ness didn't perform as many expected him to in SC2K3. I give Doom the win, because most people will want to know what they're voting for. Final Fantasy 6 vs Mortal Kombat This match will be harder for FF6 than the next one. But it should make it anyway without that much trouble, considering Final Fantasy 6 is still considered one of the best FF, and Mortal Kombat was big a few years ago, but has somewhat died down. And Scorpion didn't do that great in the Summer Contests (well, Kefka neither, but I doubt his popularity is close to matching the whole game's). --- "I tried a SMB speed run once but I ran into the first Goomba and died because I forgot to jump. After that, I never tried again." - PsychoSwordsman |
| From: Heroic Tails | Posted: 3/3/2004 11:13:24 AM | Message Detail |
| * Divison 32-64 * Final Fantasy 7 vs Suikoden 2 Ok, this is probably going to be the biggest upset of the contest, but I really can see it happening. With all the FF hate, and plus the fact that Suikoden 2 is obviously the better game of the 2, it will manage to get by FF7, just barely. j/k Pokemon whatever vs Xenogears I don't see Xenogears winning this. The only thing Xenogears has going for it is that it's being made by Square (but, even though, not being a mainstream FF, that shouldn't weigh that much), the Pokemon hate and a very dedicated fanbase. On the other hand, Pokemon is simply huge, even on gameFAQs. I see Xenogears doing better than Suikoden 2, probably enough to make the match close, but it won't be enough. Final Fantasy Tactics vs Dance Dance Revolution Final Fantasy will win, if just thanks to its name. And DDR isn't all that popular here. Metal Gear Solid vs Resident Evil If the Twin Snakes wasn't out soon, I'd have take a wild guess and have Resident Evil winning, thanks to its Gamecube remake. Perfect Dark vs Castlevania: Symphony of the Night Game against game, Perfect Dark is much bigger than Symphony of the Night in boards, and about equal in reviews. But Castlevania is part of a much bigger series, which will help just enough to make SotN win this. Goldeneye vs Panzer Dragoon Saga No contest here, Panzer Dragoon Saga just isn't enough known. Super Mario 64 vs NiGHTS into dreams... Another easy one. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time vs Fallout 2 At GameSpy, the result might have been very different. Here, this is a no-brainer. * Division 128 * Halo: Combat Evolved vs Starcraft Ok, now let's get into the second extremely difficult division (along with the 16 division). And we start with a match that could really go either way. Still, going by board and review activity, Starcraft seems extremely weak. On the other hand, Halo will get the X-Box hate. I have Halo winning for now, but I might very well change that choice... Soul Calibur vs Kingdom Hearts If it's only Soul Calibur, then this one would be easy. The problem is Soul Calibur 2. What kind of effect will it have on voters? My bet is it won't be enough to take down Kingdom Hearts. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker vs Skies of Arcadia An easy one for a change. Metroid Prime vs Half-Life If Half-Life is more than Gordon Freeman, then Metroid Prime is more than Samus. Anyway, Metroid Prime wins this, if only because Half-Life is a PC game. Final Fantasy Tactics Advance vs Fire Emblem Expect SOGF here! (Same Obscure Genre Factor!). Seriously though, no contest. Final Fantasy X vs Shenmue A little pause before some very hard choices. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City vs Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic GTA was huge, and still is. KOTOR, although being GOTY material, is PC and XBOX only. I doubt I'll have a bad surprise here. --- "I tried a SMB speed run once but I ran into the first Goomba and died because I forgot to jump. After that, I never tried again." - PsychoSwordsman |
| From: Heroic Tails | Posted: 3/3/2004 11:13:53 AM | Message Detail |
Super Smash Bros. Melee vs Metal Gear Solid 2 I don't know. Really. SSBM has huge boards here at gamefaqs - but so does Final Fantasy Tactics, and we saw how Ramza performed in last Summer Contest. Now I don't want to compare the two, because it's obvious SSBM doesn't have the same kind of cult following. Still I'm very suspicious of this kind of board hype. SSBM's reviews are also very good and there are lots of them. On the other, MGS2 is on both PS2 and XBOX, and got lots of very good reviews (more than SSBM overall, but on multiple platforms that's pretty understandable), and the boards aren't quite dead either. So, for now, I'll take a chance and choose MGS2, because of the Twin Snakes coming out soon, which might eat on SSBM Gamecube fanbase, especially since it'll be the newest game. I might change my mind on this, if only because SSBM is the only game I've played of the two. *** Round 2 *** * Division 8 * SMB3 vs. Metroid Metroid isn't that good of a game. And SMB3 had a recent port as well. Phantasy Star vs Final Fantasy Two obscure first games of a franchise facing each other. The biggest franchise will win. Duck Hunt vs The Legend of Zelda No problem here. The better game, and the better name. Pong vs Tetris Two classics facing each other, but much more people have played Tetris than Pong. * Division 16 * Chrono Trigger vs Street Fighter II Chrono Trigger might not have the backing of Europe, but that won't prevent him from winning this. Sonic the Hedgehog 2 vs Super Mario World I'd really want Sonic 2 to win. But I don't think it will happen. Unless all Sonic fans gather together behind their only representative in the contest. I doubt it would happen, but that's Sonic's only chance here. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past vs Super Metroid Time for some of the favorites to start knocking each other down. I'd like to believe Super Metroid will win this, but then it'll be against the odds. Doom vs Final Fantasy 6 Come on, this is GameFAQs. * Divison 32-64 * Final Fantasy 7 vs Pokemon whatever And FF7 continues on its unstoppable(?) winning path. Final Fantasy Tactics vs Metal Gear Solid FFT has a huge fanbase here, but Ramza really didn't do that well, and Metal Gear Solid has always been big. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night vs Goldeneye If Castlevania can win against Perfect Dark, than it should be able to win against Goldeneye too. Super Mario 64 vs The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Link > Mario, we should know this by now, and OoT is Link's biggest game. * Division 128 * Halo: Combat Evolved vs Kingdom Hearts I think this one is going to be closer than expected. Kingdom Hearts will probably win this - problem is, Halo is bigger according to both reviews and boards, and not by a small amount either. But who am I kidding, KH is Square... The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker vs Metroid Prime Between the two, Metroid Prime is generally seen as the better game (it beats WW in all statistics), but Wind Waker is the bigger franchise, and also more recent. Argh, so hard to choose! Final Fantasy Tactics Advance vs Final Fantasy X Of course. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City vs Metal Gear Solid 2 Somehow, this is looking worse and worse. Ugh. I've never even played these games. If MGS2 can make it past SSBM, shouldn't it be able to go at least one step farther? I still think GTAVC is underestimated, so here we go. If anybody saw my first analysis, you'd notice I just changed the outcome of this match. I might even chicken out and put SSBM here in the end. --- "I tried a SMB speed run once but I ran into the first Goomba and died because I forgot to jump. After that, I never tried again." - PsychoSwordsman |
| From: Heroic Tails | Posted: 3/3/2004 11:14:28 AM | Message Detail |
| *** Round 3 *** * Division 8 * SMB3 vs. Final Fantasy Ok, people will actually remember which one is the good game. The Legend of Zelda vs Tetris I take another chance here. Everybody has played Tetris. Legend of Zelda was great for its time, but now it just doesn't compare to more recent titles, while Tetris' simplistic gameplay is still playable nowadays. What's more, many more people have played Tetris than Legend of Zelda, even on GameFAQs I'll bet. Statistically, although Zelda's boards are a little more active (and the Collector might help it a great deal too), Tetris has got more and better reviews. * Division 16 * Chrono Trigger vs Super Mario World Crono vs Mario once again, except Chrono Trigger is actually better than Crono, while Mario perfectly represents his game series. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past vs Final Fantasy 6 Ouch. This one will hurt. I'll trust the stats I took the trouble to make which always put LttP above FF6. * Divison 32-64 * Final Fantasy 7 vs Metal Gear Solid Never underestimate the power of fanboyism. It'll probably be closer than many people would expect though. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night vs The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time No problem here. * Division 128 * Kingdom Hearts vs Metroid Prime I really don't want Kingdom Hearts to go any farther. And actually, it isn't that high on reviews and all. Maybe I shouldn't have had it defeat Halo. Anyway, its path stops here. Final Fantasy X vs Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Another tough one. Remember that GTAVC, being the only representative of its series, probably wears the popularity of GTA3 too - of course the fanbase of both of these games is pretty much the same anyway. On the other hand, we have FF10, the second most popular FF. I don't think I'll change my mind here. *** Round 4 *** * Division 8 * SMB3 vs Tetris Both game have been very popular, but Mario will be widely considered as being better. * Division 16 * Chrono Trigger vs The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past I just can't see Chrono Trigger stopping here. LttP isn't that popular anyway. * Divison 32-64 * Final Fantasy 7 vs The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Time to use dumb fanboy luck. Analysis only gets you so far. Although I really feel like FF7 is going to win it all. * Division 128 * Metroid Prime vs Final Fantasy X The best of GC against the best of PS2 (according to reviews). PS2 is about equal to GC on gamefaqs, but FF10 is Square, so... *** Round 5 *** SMB3 vs Chrono Trigger I still think Chrono Trigger is the better game. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time vs Final Fantasy X If OoT can win against FF7, it should have no problem winning against FF10 too. *** Round 6 *** Chrono Trigger vs The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Yeah. I just had to have OoT win this. --- "I tried a SMB speed run once but I ran into the first Goomba and died because I forgot to jump. After that, I never tried again." - PsychoSwordsman |
| From: irriadin | Posted: 3/3/2004 11:35:02 AM | Message Detail |
| "Starcraft seems extremely weak..." ...what? A game doesn't sell over six million copies if it's extremely weak. Saying Starcraft is extremely weak is just about the most ignorant thing I've heard said about the game. The hundreds of thousands of people who play Starcraft daily on Battle.net would disagree with you, Heroic Tails. --- Backing StarCraft and Ocarina of Time in the Spring 2004 contest. |
| From: Heroic Tails | Posted: 3/3/2004 11:37:05 AM | Message Detail |
| Please read before making such comments. Still, going by board and review activity, Starcraft seems extremely weak. --- "I tried a SMB speed run once but I ran into the first Goomba and died because I forgot to jump. After that, I never tried again." - PsychoSwordsman |
| From: DomaDragoon | Posted: 3/3/2004 11:44:30 AM | Message Detail |
| I
wish I had more time to go through all the topics and talk about it,
but I have very little time this week. So the best I can do is look and
see how ignorant my prior discussion was. Nintendo: Well, I expected a lot of Nintendo titles, but I'm absolutely shocked at the total. So many Zelda and Mario games... and my wild card. SSBM absolutely floored me with it's result, to the point where I can safely say that it's not a wild card any more, rather a legitimate threat for the title. No Punch-Out makes me sad. Square: 16-Bit is Square's to lose. Between CT and FF VI, we could have a(nother) SFF match in the Elite 8. I disagree with not letting FF VIII in, but whatever. And Xenogears surprised me with a strong showing, though it's one win and out at best. Capcom: They got screwed. SF II and Resident Evil... that's about it. Konami: It's not unrealistic to think that both Metal Gear Solid games could make it in, and perhaps even the original. Hooray! Add in SotN, and Suiko 2 as a dark horse (Anti-FF VII sentiment coupled with a small pocket of loyal Suiko voters) to pull off the upset. Everybody Else: RCR made it over Double Dragon - that's an upset in itself. Only one Sonic title... does that mean swirldude's going to kill me now? Overall, this is Nintendo vs. Square taken to the extreme. Everyone else is just fodder. --- RPGP/RPGDL Contributor "DragoonJay"; Smart Ask! National Champion (2003) Chanting Monks www.rpgdl.com |
| From: gabbo | Posted: 3/3/2004 11:53:54 AM | Message Detail |
| Am I the only one who didn't like Starcraft? Or any Strategy game, for that matter? --- The ACSB: Don't Drink the Water "Truth is, banana peels just aren't that slippery." - TBC |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/3/2004 12:50:53 PM | Message Detail |
| SSBM
a legit threat for the title? It might be, but not only will it have to
get out of this hellish division, it will have to do so with four
consecutive blowouts to stand a chance against FF7 or OoT... speaking
of which, I'm surprised to see the bracketmakers so torn in this match.
Almost 50-50 in every topic dedicated to that match... wow. Okay, back to SSBM... it has the single hardest road to the championship among those that are seen there, and overall it seems to be second to MGS2. But Heroic Tails, a loss in the first round? I have one word and one word only. RAIDEN. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW |
| From: Heroic Tails | Posted: 3/3/2004 12:54:59 PM | Message Detail |
| I
know, I know. But then again, I don't know bad Raiden is, since I've
never played the game. And like I said, I don't want to be caught in
the board hype again. Even if I eventually have SSBM winning its first
round, it's doubtful I'll have it go much farther - so I'm really only
gambling one point here. --- "I tried a SMB speed run once but I ran into the first Goomba and died because I forgot to jump. After that, I never tried again." - PsychoSwordsman |
| From: DomaDragoon | Posted: 3/3/2004 1:48:11 PM | Message Detail |
| Quick question to the usual gang of intelligent discussants: As you are probably aware of, Gamespy's Title Fight is like the SpC, only far more PC-oriented. What, then, are we to make of this? http://www.gamespy.com/titlefight/matches/0125.shtml Especially when you note that yesterday, Starcraft manhandled Red Alert in it's match. How relevant are Title Fight's results to the SpC? --- RPGP/RPGDL Contributor "DragoonJay"; Smart Ask! National Champion (2003) Chanting Monks www.rpgdl.com |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 3/3/2004 2:08:00 PM | Message Detail |
| Okay,
I’ve decided to change a few of my predictions. I have been convinced
that I may be underestimating SSBM against Vice City and that Doom will
likely pull off the win against Earthbound (I’m much surer about the
latter than the former, however). Here are the alterations: Earthbound vs. Doom: Doom will win on name recognition. More people have heard of Doom than of Earthbound and that will help Doom immensely. When it comes down to two games like these, which most of the gamers on GameFAQs have not played, it will come down to which has the bigger name, and that is certainly Doom. Winner: Doom Just redoing the second round match for Doom now (not that it will make a difference...): Doom vs. Final Fantasy III (VI): A primarily PC game against one of the SNES favorites. Final Fantasy III will be moving to the next round. Winner: Final Fantasy III TOUGH: Grand Theft Auto: Vice City vs. Super Smash Bros. Melee: After looking into things more closely, I see that SSBM may very well have a larger fanbase than I expected. Add to that the fact that it’s a Nintendo game and that this site has a large Nintendo fanbase and I think SSBM can pull it off, though it will be closer than the blowout some appear to be expecting. I'm still extremely unsure about this match; SSBM might be getting way overhyped on this board. Aside from OoT vs. FFVII this is my pick for the hardest match of the contest. Winner: Super Smash Bros. Melee While I’m here, here are my Round 3 predictions: DIVISION 8 Super Mario Bros. 3 vs. Final Fantasy: It is unlikely that the first Final Fantasy game can stand up against the most popular NES game. Winner: Super Mario Bros. 3 The Legend of Zelda vs. Tetris: I’d love it if Tetris could pull an upset here but Tetris is doomed to fall now that its up against real competition instead of old arcade games. Winner: The Legend of Zelda DIVISION 16 Chrono Trigger vs. Super Mario World: There are a few games that could put up a fight against CT, but Super Mario World, sadly, is not one of them. CT is arguably the most popular SNES game; those games that could also be argued for do not include SMW. Winner: Chrono Trigger Super Metroid vs. Final Fantasy III (VI): Super Metroid will be the second Nintendo game in a row to lose to Square. It’s a deserving contender that will put up a nice fight but I don’t think the Nintendo fans will be able to form a strong enough bloc against the Square fans on this one, despite losing SMW in the previous round. Nintendo’s third most popular franchise just can’t defeat a solid game from Square’s first most popular franchise. Winner: Final Fantasy III DIVISION 32-64 Final Fantasy VII vs. Metal Gear Solid: Final Fantasy VII will be untouchable until it hits Ocarina of Time. MGS doesn’t have the backing here that the most popular Final Fantasy game does. Winner: Final Fantasy VII GoldenEye 007 vs. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time: OoT is in the same position as Final Fantasy VII; it’s a sure bet until the division finals. Only FFVII has a chance of taking it down. Winner: The Legend of Zelda: The Ocarina of Time DIVISION 128 Kingdom Hearts vs. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker: The Zelda franchise still has enough power in one of its lesser incarnations to topple a Square/Disney hybrid that doesn’t have solid backing from Square fans. Winner: The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker Final Fantasy X vs. SSBM: I don’t want to discuss this one anymore. FFX will win, it has of the most frequently accessed FAQ pages on the website, it’s probably Square’s second most powerful Final Fantasy on this site, blah blah blah. Good riddance, SSBM. Everyone will shut up about you after this match. Winner: Final Fantasy X --- "Your fate is sealed, and none but yours." -- Auron Proud Supporter of Starcraft in the Spring 2004 Contest |
| From: cyko | Posted: 3/3/2004 3:10:54 PM | Message Detail |
| Quick question to the usual gang of intelligent discussants: As you are probably aware of, Gamespy's Title Fight is like the SpC, only far more PC-oriented. What, then, are we to make of this? http://www.gamespy.com/titlefight/matches/0125.shtml Especially when you note that yesterday, Starcraft manhandled Red Alert in it's match. How relevant are Title Fight's results to the SpC? sorry, Doma, but Gamespy's contest is completely irrelevant to this contest for two reasons: 1. Gamespy has a completely different crowd of people from Gamefaqs. they are very much in favor of PC over there. it is not a console-friendly site, which is the polar opposite of Gamefaqs. i checked and out of the 64 games in their contest, over half of them are on PC. and out of those 30 or so console games, only five are Rpg's (FF7, FFT, Chrono Trigger, Star Wars: KOTOR, and Pokemon). they cater to a totally different audience. 2. it's matches have ranged from 5000 to 12000 voters, with more voters showing up to support the PC games. that is pathetic compared to the matches around here, which get 100,000 to 150,000 voters (which will probably get even higher this time around). a lot more people get involved at Gamefaqs and there are more fanboys to worry about. so, no; what happens at Gamespy won't affect this contest at all. although i did find this interesting: Chrono Trigger beat Final Fantasy 7 in the first round by 67 votes (3,940 to 3,873) of course, around here, there would be about that many votes after the first thirty minutes of the poll. --- Please go nominate Secret of Mana for SNES. Right Now. A Cheese Legend of Trivia 12 |
| From: Mild Guy | Posted: 3/3/2004 3:19:03 PM | Message Detail |
| There's an entire UNIVERSE of fanboys to take into consideration here. Are we overestimating SSBM? It's like a Nintendo encyclopedia, but just how far will character popularity carry it? How many voters will be fans of the gameplay outright? These things will keep me up at night. Mario 3 or Zelda 1? Arrgghhhh! Mario 3 is legendary, but Link has beat Mario soundly in the past. CT, FF7, LoZ:OT are the only games that are sure winners. Everything else can be debated it seems. --- Death to the Alliance! |
| From: FastFalcon05 | Posted: 3/3/2004 4:01:54 PM | Message Detail |
| All right, I've read through some of the posts, and want to comment on a few... Kingdom Hearts vs Windwaker Okay, if my opinion controlled the world, yeah, Kingdom Hearts gets the win, but someone posted (I would copy, but my computer is all frazzled) that its basically like FF7 vs WW. I don't think this is true. Not every person who played Kingdom Hearts went out to buy Final Fantasy VII. The KH boost could still, and did, exist because of their cameos in the games, but I doubt that new people went out and bought FF7. Also, though, someone else, I think, had said KH wasn't much of a game either and was doing well just for cameos. Not true, too, KH is a magnificent game by itself. Now for Super Smash Brothers, I'm worried about this game, too, but personally, I think its the best game on the gamecube right now. It didn't just get in because of all the characters in the game, it really is an awesome, awesome game. It probably has its own fanbase, and I have a feeling it will live to Windwaker. --- Was nokia trying to prove that something can be made worse than x-box? ~Darkbaconslayer on N-Gage |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/3/2004 4:10:57 PM | Message Detail |
| LoZ
is definitely the weak link of the Zelda line-up, and by far. As
Ganondorf and Zelda proved last year, you're not almighty because
you're from Zelda. Meanwhile, SMB3 is the heavy favorite of the Mario series, and is still the standard for platformers to this day. SMB3 will likely win a very good match. And of course KH doesn't represent FF7. It only gets a small part of the cake. Even though it's a magnificent game, as you say, it's mostly played for the cameos. Without them, not nearly as many people would've bothered playing it. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW |
| From: FastFalcon05 | Posted: 3/3/2004 4:18:29 PM | Message Detail |
| I
agree that many people wouldn't have played it without the cameos, but
I think that people who have played it can see that it doesn't need the
cameos to be good. The cameos definitely helped to sell the game, both
among younger gamers with disney, and the FF fanbase with their own
crew, but I expect the next KH to sell just as strong, if not stronger,
and by next I mean the ps2 one, though the advance could be promising
as well. KH did rely a lot on cameos to be sold, but its great story
and sequel potential will sell and be a success not for the cameos, but
for the fact that it's Kingdom Hearts. --- Was nokia trying to prove that something can be made worse than x-box? ~Darkbaconslayer on N-Gage |
| From: Rodri316 | Posted: 3/3/2004 4:25:13 PM | Message Detail |
| Well,
Kingdom Hearts vs. Halo sounds like a very tough match, if it happens.
Basically, we don't know just how popular Halo is on this site, and if
it does beat Starcraft then it'll be the most popular, respected game
for the Xbox going up against a Square hit which does not carry the
Final Fantasy name. The fact that Kingdom Hearts has a large fanbase
behind it gives it an advantage, and although something tells me the
casual gamer would be more inclined towards Halo, in GameFAQs, I think
we can expect a larger RPG support. I think Kingdom Hearts takes it
around 60-40, and still wins even if it goes up against Starcraft. --- Do you have any advice for filling out our brackets? ''Never underestimate the true power of fanboyism.'' - CJayC |
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