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| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/2/2004 2:49:33 PM | Message Detail |
| First,
I don't think SMRPG will get to face CT. I made a SF2 pick this morning
when everyone thought SMRPG would have it, then surprise surprise, many
people revealed they had picked SF2 too. No Megaman can be explained with the insane split between the games... though I seriously doubt the nominations were the only factor, no matter what CJayC says. I'm surprised at Solarshadow dismissing Duck Hunt so fast... I believe it will win a match. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: LoZ, LoZ:WW |
| From: solarshadow | Posted: 3/2/2004 2:56:48 PM | Message Detail |
| I'm
not dismissing Duck Hunt, as such. I just don't think it deserved to be
in the contest. Of course, I'm picking it to beat Donkey Kong, which I do believe deserved to be in the contest, so, well... I think I just owned myself. --- Contest Stats: http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com |
| From: Who Cares? | Posted: 3/2/2004 3:05:59 PM | Message Detail |
| I
posted this in another topic, I think the reason there was no Mega Man
game was because the one negative about MM in a game contest eventually
came back to bite him...and that is MM fans not coming to a consensus
on what the single best Mega Man game is. Chances are that the voting
for MM2 & MM3 were so even, that they practically knocked each
other out. Hopefully there will be a better nomination process next year, but if it turns out the same next year, we Mega Man fans had better chose a single game to nominate. |
| From: nifboy | Posted: 3/2/2004 3:08:32 PM | Message Detail |
| You know what makes me go "wtf?" Everyone who's mentioned Donkey Kong mentions Donkey Kong Country. Uh, hello? Reality check? You play as *Mario* in that game! It's Mario's very first game! Ugh, forget it. I bet no one's played the original Mario Bros. game, either. No, not Super Mario Bros, the original, you know, with the POW block? Nooo, not Smash Bros 64! Aaaaagh! Original Mario Bros > Super Mario Bros. --- "We seek as much data - raw facts, direct experience - as we can, and then we make up our own minds." - J. Moore |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/2/2004 3:12:27 PM | Message Detail |
| I
think CJayC should've made an exception. We're talking about a Noble
Nine character getting no representation. But the MM games getting
shafted for Adventure? Pitfall? GALAGA? Other notables that have no representation are Zero (of course), Knuckles, Shadow, Dante (Ertyu must be pissed off) and Kirby (so much for Ertyu being pissed off). I would say Squall, but there's KH... --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: LoZ, LoZ:WW |
| From: FastFalcon05 | Posted: 3/2/2004 3:24:56 PM | Message Detail |
| you know, that's very true about donkey kong, I loved donkey kong country. Although, I'm wondering why there are no other Mario fans upset, or at least mentioning, Super Mario 64. I think it really stinks that this game has to die out in the second round... Now, I'm looking at some of the difficult battles in my bracket, I'll comment on some, too... Metroid vs. Pacman - Well pacman is pacman, but I think the samus votes should pull her to victory. Donkey Kong vs Duck Hunt- I don't know, but donkey kong could get the donkey kong country votes that should have existed, and I think it will win. Pong vs River City Ransom- Someone help me on this, what is river city ransom? Tetris vs Galaga- As much as everyone loves to joke(?) about these games, galaga should win. I actually have played it, a lot, I have the namco museum games, and galaga is fast accidting and fun. If we had an earlier era voting for this, it would probably be a much closer battle. And keep in mind, I love tetris too, I even have the n64 version, a game that surprisingly is a lot of fun. SMRPG vs Street Fighter- interesting, I don't know, I have mario going for now, but who knows? Earthbound vs Doom- someone want to help me here too? I know earthbound is pretty popular with Ness and all, but what about doom? Pokemon vs Xenogears- I picked xeno too, but who doesn't have a pokemon game? Perfect Dark vs Castlevania- need help here too Halo vs Starcraft- what is going on here? Soul Calibur vs Kingdom Hearts- Wow, I have Kingdom Hearts winning, but that is due to the fact that I have played it, and loved it. Last year, I had, *cries*, sora ruining my bracket, and I don't want to repeat, but let me just confirm. Kindom Hearts is magnificent. Tactics Advance vs Fire Emblem- just to bring it up, cause is Fire Emblem good? That's all for now... --- Was nokia trying to prove that something can be made worse than x-box? ~Darkbaconslayer on N-Gage |
| From: FastFalcon05 | Posted: 3/2/2004 3:26:37 PM | Message Detail |
| LEAVE GALAGA ALONE! It by itself is greater than all megaman games combined!!! but yeah, even I am pretty shocked at the loss of Mega, and I don't really even like him... --- Was nokia trying to prove that something can be made worse than x-box? ~Darkbaconslayer on N-Gage |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/2/2004 3:32:27 PM | Message Detail |
| Interesting
thing about DKC... I have Phantasy Star beating Contra for that very
reason. Except PS and Contra are much less known than DK and Duck
Hunt... it might not apply nearly as much. Plus, legends tend to be
more popular than their games... DK isn't very appreciated here from
the start. This is going to be a darn good match. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: LoZ, LoZ:WW |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 3/2/2004 3:44:47 PM | Message Detail |
| DIVISION 8: Super Mario Bros. 3 vs. Metal Gear: Super Mario Bros. 3 could quite possibly go all the way. Winner: Super Mario Bros. 3 Metroid vs. Pac-Man: Metroid has the second most popular FAQ section and third most popular message board in the NES section. Not a hard match to call. Winner: Metroid Phantasy Star vs. Contra: Contra is more popular, I think. Its system is, anyway. Winner: Contra Final Fantasy vs. Pitfall: If it starts with a “Final” and ends with a “Fantasy,” it’s guaranteed to get past the first round. Winner: Final Fantasy Donkey Kong vs. Duck Hunt: Donkey Kong, on name recognition, and it is a Mario game. Neither is going far, anyway. Winner: Donkey Kong The Legend of Zelda vs. Adventure: Zelda has the #1 FAQ and message board ranking for the NES. This match is a foregone conclusion. Winner: The Legend of Zelda Pong vs. River City Ransom: Two games that don’t have a prayer of getting past Tetris in the next round. Pong will win on name recognition. Winner: Pong Tetris vs. Galaga: Who doesn’t like Tetris? I was surprised to find this was the Atari version but it really doesn’t matter. It’s still Tetris. Winner: Tetris DIVISION 16 Chrono Trigger vs. Secret of Mana: Square versus something neither Square nor Nintendo. Does it have Tactics in its name? No. I think we see where this is going. Winner: Chrono Trigger Super Mario RPG vs. Street Fighter II: A popular Nintendo game versus a fighter. That’s all that needs to be said. Winner: Super Mario RPG Sonic the Hedgehog 2 vs. Shining Force: Sonic by a mile; Shining Force isn’t as well-known, anyway. Winner: Sonic the Hedgehog 2 Super Mario World vs. The Simpsons: Another popular Nintendo game versus another arcade game. An awesome arcade game, mind you, but Super Mario World will take it easily. Winner: Super Mario World The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past vs. Gunstar Heroes: I’ve never heard of Gunstar Heroes and on that alone I’m willing to bet that one of the best Zelda games is more popular. Winner: The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past Super Metroid vs. Phantasy Star IV: Why bother? Winner: Super Metroid TOUGH: Earthbound vs. Doom: Now, consider: Earthbound is an SNES game, and to get into the bracket on such a high-competition console has to mean something – this isn’t the Xbox we’re talking about here but a console widely regarded as having fostered many excellent games. More people must have played it than I previously suspected for it to be here. Doom, on the other hand, is from a (sadly) low-competition console on GameFAQs and is the lower seed. It’s a hard call to make, but I’m going with Earthbound. Winner: Earthbound Final Fantasy III (VI) vs. Mortal Kombat A Square game versus a fighting game. Easy call. Winner: Final Fantasy III --- "Your fate is sealed, and none but yours." -- Auron Proud Supporter of Starcraft in the Spring 2004 Contest |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 3/2/2004 3:49:29 PM | Message Detail |
| Division 32-64 Final Fantasy VII vs. Suikoden II: Seven is a lucky number. Winner: Final Fantasy VII TOUGH: Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal vs. Xenogears: Pokemon will win by a significant but not crushing amount. Xenogears may be from Square, but it’s even less powerful than Tactics, and Pokemon is the most popular handheld game. The only thing that could screw Pokemon would be to use Pikachu’s picture…do not trust CJay… Winner: Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal Final Fantasy Tactics vs. Dance Dance Revolution: Tactics finally gets its day in the sun. Any Square game versus a dance game is no contest. Winner: Final Fantasy Tactics Metal Gear Solid vs. Resident Evil: The MGS franchise has more backing. Winner: Metal Gear Solid TOUGH: Perfect Dark vs. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night: Sorry, my favorite FPS, but I suspect the best of the Castlevania series will have this one in the bag. They’re just competing over which will get creamed by GoldenEye in the next round, anyway… Winner: Castlevania: Symphony of the Night GoldenEye 007 vs. Panzer Dragoon Saga: Don’t waste my time. Winner: GoldenEye 007 Super Mario 64 vs. NiGHTs into dreams…: The definitive 3D platformer versus a game not made by Nintendo or Square. Moving on… Winner: Super Mario 64 The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time vs. Fallout 2: The best Zelda game of all time versus a PC game. Next? Winner: The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Division 128 TOUGH: Halo: Combat Evolved vs. Starcraft: Starcraft is probably the most well-loved PC game, even on this site, but Halo is the most well-loved Xbox game. Neither Xbox nor PC gaming have much support here. Starcraft did have an N64 version and that might tilt the scales in its favor. Then again, you don’t need to own an Xbox to have played a game like Halo. This is going to be nasty, but I’m betting on Starcraft. Winner: Starcraft Soul Calibur vs. Kingdom Hearts: Dreamcast game vs. Square game. Nothing more need be said. Winner: Kingdom Hearts The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker vs. Skies of Arcadia: Nintendo game vs. Dreamcast game. Yawn. Winner: The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker Metroid Prime vs. Half-Life Nintendo game vs. PC game. This is getting boring. Winner: Metroid Prime Final Fantasy Tactics Advance vs. Fire Emblem: Fanboy alert. Winner: Final Fantasy Tactics Advance Final Fantasy X vs. Shenmue: Square’s turn to pick on the Dreamcast again. Winner: Final Fantasy X Grand Theft Auto: Vice City vs. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic: The GTA franchise is too strong with the Force. Winner: Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Super Smash Bros. Melee vs. Metal Gear Solid 2: SSBM is being horribly overestimated in this contest, but I do agree that it will get past one of the lesser Metal Gear games. Winner: Super Smash Bros. Melee --- "Your fate is sealed, and none but yours." -- Auron Proud Supporter of Starcraft in the Spring 2004 Contest |
| From: nifboy | Posted: 3/2/2004 3:55:14 PM | Message Detail |
| Chrono Trigger vs. Secret of Mana: Square versus something neither Square nor Nintendo. The heck you smokin'? Straight from the game info page: Secret of Mana Square Enix 1993 NA This is worse than getting DK and DKC mixed up! --- "We seek as much data - raw facts, direct experience - as we can, and then we make up our own minds." - J. Moore |
| From: Qwaar | Posted: 3/2/2004 4:07:01 PM | Message Detail |
| "Someone help me on this, what is river city ransom?" An open ended beat em up AKA Street Gangs in Europe. And don't diss Galaga, I would say it is a true classic and better than any Mega Man game. --- "Hobbes, she stumbled into the perimeter of wisdom.Run!" |
| From: Qwaar | Posted: 3/2/2004 4:11:57 PM | Message Detail |
| "Doom,
on the other hand, is from a (sadly) low-competition console on
GameFAQs and is the lower seed. It’s a hard call to make, but I’m going
with Earthbound." What console would that be? Doom isnt on a console, its a PC game.And the PC is more populat than any console ever created.Take into account that Doom is highly regarded as a classic, and the fact that games like Chrono Trigger, Mario RPG and Earthbound were never released in Europe and you have a winner.Doom. --- "Hobbes, she stumbled into the perimeter of wisdom.Run!" |
| From: FastFalcon05 | Posted: 3/2/2004 4:15:43 PM | Message Detail |
| meep,
I'm sorry qwaar, really, to me that's true too. However, I haven't
really played the MegaMan games, but I have heard tons of them. But I
really, honestly, do love Galaga, I mean no disrespect for it. how are
you in it, my personal best is somewhere around level 20 somethingish I
think... --- Was nokia trying to prove that something can be made worse than x-box? ~Darkbaconslayer on N-Gage |
| From: Shaker | Posted: 3/2/2004 4:25:32 PM | Message Detail |
The man's opinions are sound. No need to nitpick on a few words. Smitelf, I have Doom over Earthbound, but other then that, you're thinking along my lines. Keep it up. ^_~ --- Mara Juana Keelju is owning that fool like a $2 hooker tryin' to get a 20 dollar bill ~MrStillSmokin' on his boxing match with Maplejet |
| From: cyko | Posted: 3/2/2004 4:41:49 PM | Message Detail |
| holy crap!!! 100 posts in under twelve hours?! 0_o dang. it'll take me a bit to respond with my input, but i'll try to later. i will say this though: DO NOT underestimate the power of River City Ransom!! it was a fantastic Nintendo game that basically took a Double Dragon or Final Fight type game and threw an RPG element in by allowing you to purchase higher stats, stronger attacks and tasty healing foods. plus, it was two-player co-op. anyone who has yet to play it, should go play it before the contest starts. it's that good. it really is one of the best from the good old NES, but usually doesn't get the respect it deserves. i am pleased to see it make the tourney. --- Please go nominate Secret of Mana for SNES. Right Now. A Cheese Legend of Trivia 12 |
| From: Qwaar | Posted: 3/2/2004 4:42:29 PM | Message Detail |
| "The man's opinions are sound. No need to nitpick on a few words." I'm not nitpicking, I'm discussing his opinions.Is that wrong all of a sudden? --- "Hobbes, she stumbled into the perimeter of wisdom.Run!" |
| From: Z1mZum | Posted: 3/2/2004 4:43:31 PM | Message Detail |
| MMmmmmm....tasty healing foods... --- Mega Man in the Summer Contest '04? You better believe it! |
| From: Yesmar | Posted: 3/2/2004 4:46:11 PM | Message Detail |
| There's one game that I don't think people are talking enough about. Now don't laugh: The Simpsons. Now I don't think it can win, but it can definitely give Super Mario World a run for its money. Sure the Mario series may be the most well-known video game series ever, but The Simpsons has spawned a chain of merchandising, video games, comic books, and T-Shirts. When people remember the 90's, I guarantee you they will remember two things: The Internet and The Simpsons. That's a *huge* thing to go up against. Even though this is a video game site (which is why SMW will win), if people do indeed vote for series the Mario series is going up against a freakin' TV show. And am I the only one having Kingdom Hearts going to the Elite Eight? --- Heh Heh... The wind... It is blowing...--Ganondorf The Leftovers member in Trivia XII |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 3/2/2004 4:52:44 PM | Message Detail |
| Feh,
excuse me. I know Doom is for the PC (although there is Doom 64 but
that is not to what I was referring). I meant to comment that,
unfortunately, PC games don't get the respect they deserve around here,
unlike SNES games in general. Being from the SNES gives EarthBound an
automatic advantage that I don't think should be discredited on the
assumption that it's merely a cult favorite. Some significant amount of
people must like it for it to be one of SNES' chosen representatives. --- "Your fate is sealed, and none but yours." -- Auron Proud Supporter of Starcraft in the Spring 2004 Contest |
| From: swirldude | Posted: 3/2/2004 5:21:41 PM | Message Detail |
| Here's my current bracket. Please leave feedback Round 1 Division 8 Mario 3 Metroid Phantasy Star Final Fantasy Donkey Kong Zelda I Pong Tetris Division 16 Chrono Trigger SFII Sonic 2 Mario World Zelda:LTTP Super Metroid Doom FFIII Division 32-64 FFVII Pokemon GSC FFT MGS Castlevania SOTN Goldeneye Mario 64 OoT Division 128 Halo Kingdom Hearts Wind Waker Metroid Prime FFT Advance FFX GTA:Vice City SSBM Round 2 Division 8 Mario 3 Final Fantasy Zelda I Tetris Division 16 Chrono Trigger Mario World Zelda:LTTP FFIII Division 32-64 FFVII MGS Goldeneye OoT Division 128 Kingdom Hearts Metroid Prime FFX SSBM Round 3 Division 8 Mario 3 Zelda I Division 16 Chrono Trigger Zelda:LTTP Division 32-64 FF7 OoT Division 128 Metroid Prime SSBM Round 4 Mario 3 Chrono Trigger FFVII Metroid Prime Round 5 Mario 3 FFVII Champion FFVII Comments? --- The bomb detonated, and they got to see a very annoyed CATS running down the hill, with his hair on fire. "AUUGH! SOMEONE SET UP US THE BOMB!" ~BigCow |
| From: neoatomtaco | Posted: 3/2/2004 5:23:47 PM | Message Detail |
| My tough picks of round 1 I put Donkey Kong over Duck Hunt since a lot of people are thinking its DK country and duck hunt wont have the support to pull it off i think. River City Ransom over Pong- just a hunch i think pong got a nastalgetic vote nom, but that is all it will get Doom over Earthbound- doom is more widely known and earthbound while being a great game, it isnt a greatly known rpg. Pokemon over Xenogears- Nintendo fanboys vs. Square Fanboys, close match but i think Pokemon will win becasue it is more popular Halo over Starcraft- anti x-box fans will hurt Halo but it will beat Starcraft because Halo is very popular currently and with Halo 2 in the not so distant future(at least i hope)it will add to its votes. Very Close --- "isnt monkey love a beautiful thing"Rikku-FFX-2I am not a Taco ingrediant, Damn you! BTW yes it is. LOL |
| From: Haste2 | Posted: 3/2/2004 6:05:54 PM | Message Detail |
| Well, it was a nosebleed for the most part, but here are the ones that I'm having trouble with: Donkey Kong vs. Duck Hunt - the very first Mario game vs. a game that came with SMB...I'm thinking DK, though. SMRPG vs. Street Fighter II - well, here's the most popular fighter of all time (bar maybe SSBM) against SMRPG, one of my favorite games. I'm guessing SF will take it, and I'd probably be less hesitant to pick it if I didn't like SMRPG so much. Earthbound vs. Doom - This is a hard pick, as Doom isn't very popular here, but Earthbound is still little-played. I have no idea here. Pokemon Gold/Silver vs. Xenogears - I just looooove Xenogears, though I do really like Pokemon G/S. I want to pick XG just because, but I'm wondering how much anti-voting for Pokemon there really IS. Certainly not near as much as Pikachu. Perfect Dark vs. Castlevania: SOTN - Castlevania SOTN has lots of fans, no doubt, and PD just doesn't have the popularity of Goldeneye. Halo vs. Starcraft - yup, I think this may be the first 1v16 upset EVER. But...I don't know. These are two INCREDIBLY popular games on two very...unpopular systems on GameFAQs. FFTA vs. Fire Emblem - well, FFTA is no FFT and could garner anti-voites, and I have no idea how Fire Emblem sold. And Fire Emblem has Marth and stuff, I think. (Or is it Roy?) GTA:VC vs. KotOR: Meh, I'm 95% sure GTA:VC will win, and I have no idea why I even questioned this match now. --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| From: Haste2 | Posted: 3/2/2004 6:18:38 PM | Message Detail |
| Ack,
forgot about Kingdom Hearts vs. Soul Caliber...that one's tough, too,
but I guess I'll say KH just because it supposedly helped
Cloud/Sephiroth/Squall last year, heh. As for Pong vs. River City Ransom, I believe RCR is way, way, too obscure to win against Pong, even if the game is really, really, good. Or at least I heard that very few have played it... --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 3/2/2004 6:36:29 PM | Message Detail |
| I`ve read 150 posts. Good stuff, people. Anyway, all I`m going to do is post my first round matches, and the Final Four. That`s it. I don`t want to post my entire bracket, then simply have someone copy me just because they like me as a user or something. This happened a lot last year. Furthermore, I am NOT changing my mind. Every time I changed my mind last year, I for ****ed. This year, I`m very confident that my bracket is the best, and I`m sticking with it. Anyway, here`s my Final Four: The Legend of Zelda The Legend of Zelda: Link to the Past The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Okay, here`s my real Final Four: The Legend of Zelda The Legend of Zelda: Link to the Past Final Fantasy 7 Super Smash Brothers: Melee FF7 over Lttp in the final. Super Mario 3 poses no threat to any Zelda game whatsoever. Just look at the past. And if characters are anything like games, then Link to the Past > Chrono Trigger = Mario games. I am very confident that the first half of the Final Four will be two Zelda games. Seriously, look at the two eras. The original Zelda is widely believed to be the best Nintendo game, and Lttp is the second most popular Zelda game behind OOT (I`ll dig up the poll if you want me to). As for the bottom half of the bracket, I believe last year showed us that FF7 can beat OOT. As for the modern division, Melee is the wild card in this contest. Yes, FFX beat it in a poll. FF6 also beat FF7 in a poll on this site. Poll 3, I think. FFX has gotten old with time. Great game, but no one dislikes Melee. At all. It`ll be a close match, but Melee should win. And FF7 over Lttp in the final. Easily. --- My SC2K4 Petition: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=7&topic=12558738 Boards Hunted: 3277 |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 3/2/2004 6:50:22 PM | Message Detail |
| I am SO happy I`m not lisening to the board`s hype this time around. I`d be going nuts. A few pointers for you guys: Don`t stress about the Metroid games. Mario and Link and more popular than Samus. Just look at Link/Samus last year. If Cloud beat Link, then why can`t Kingdom Hearts beat the Wind Waker? WW is easily one of the worst games in the series, especially according to hardcore fans. If Chrono Trigger is dead even with Mario games, more or less, then Zelda games are superior to both of them. Don`t underestimate LttP in this contest. Granted, it has to go through FF6, but I don`t think FF6 is more popular than LttP on this site. Call me crazy, but whatever =P Lastly, please stop overestimating Starcraft. I hate the Xbox, too, but Halo is still a great series. This talk of a 1-16 upset is insane. But hey, if you think Starcraft will beat Halo, then be my guest and pick it to win. I need space in that Top 50! And solar, I`m hurt. I make good posts in your topics, too ;_; --- My SC2K4 Petition: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=7&topic=12558738 Boards Hunted: 3277 |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/2/2004 6:53:31 PM | Message Detail |
| Okay,
if you saw the discussion going on in the other topics, I somehow
snapped to my senses and realized that four games can win the evil
Division 128. MP, WW, FF10, and SSBM. Non-justified consensuses have MP
vs. SSBM, the justified ones have WW vs. FFX, and in both cases it's
anyone's guess. I personally switched FFX/SSMB seven times today. There's also the Division 8 final, which I switched four times. The best Mario game vs. a Zelda game that could really be called "lesser". But Zelda > Mario here... so I honestly have no idea. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/2/2004 7:00:40 PM | Message Detail |
| WW is easily one of the worst games in the series, especially according to hardcore fans. Ummm... only the self-proclaimed, anti-KIDDAYE ones think that. The real ones treat it as a masterpiece. KH won't beat it... the cameos can only carry it so far. Without them, it would barely escape Soul Calibur, or even lose. Don`t stress about the Metroid games But the favorite Metroid vs. a second Zelda like LTTP, or the second Metroid (Prime) vs. the third Zelda (WW)... does the Zelda franchise have enough of an advantage to hold that factor off? Thank goodness Mario 3 is obviously too strong for Metroid, because Mario and Samus are on par with each other in character battles. If Chrono Trigger is dead even with Mario games, more or less, then Zelda games are superior to both of them Except Crono is less popular than his game... and the reverse holds up for Mario. And then again, there's the whole LttP being behind Link's best in popularity, the possible split between the games that Crono just can't have... Last, I agree with you on Halo vs. Starcraft. Screw Goldberg, don't believe the hype. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 3/2/2004 7:31:53 PM | Message Detail |
| Chrono Trigger vs. Secret of Mana: Square versus something neither Square nor Nintendo. The heck you smokin'? Straight from the game info page: Secret of Mana Square Enix 1993 NA This is worse than getting DK and DKC mixed up! Hardly. Hell, the fact that I didn't know it was Square(it's in all likelihood the only Square RPG I've never played) makes my point clear. Maybe it is Square, but I doubt I'm the only one not to know that, and CT is stronger, regardless. --- "Your fate is sealed, and none but yours." -- Auron Proud Supporter of Starcraft in the Spring 2004 Contest |
| From: StopPokingMe | Posted: 3/2/2004 7:35:43 PM | Message Detail |
| Yeah, about that Zelda I vs. Mario 3 thing: This reminds me so much of SC2K2 I'm surprised everyone is making the same mistake again so quickly. Everyone thinking the only guy capable of taking out Mario was some Square character, writing off Link as just "#2" in the Nintendo lineup. Oh, how wrong they were proven. Link, and therefore necessarily the LoZ games, are capable of garnering the entire Nintendo loyalist group and a fair chunk of the RPG diehards as well. SMB3 can't do the latter. It's a pretty safe bet that most of the GameFAQs population who has played neither would vote for Zelda against Mario 3 because "Mar10 izzz teh kidday!!1Shift+1!" Can Mario 3 stand up to that? I'm betting no, because it and its opponent are too old; too many voters will simply pick based on name recognition and association with the newer games, having not played the originals. But then there's the GBA remake... argh. I'll stick with Zelda, for now. SSB:M I was afraid of this game ever since the contest was announced. I was hoping, for my poor bracket's sake, it would be given a series of easy, obvious wins ending in an easy, obvious loss. No such luck. Melee is, it seems, a board favorite to win its division. It could easily do so--or it could lose in round 1. Or anywhere in between! MGS2 is badly underseeded and will put SSBM to the test, provided the match pic doesn't involve Raiden covering his junk with it. After this, SSBM faces whichever of the GTA mass appeal and the Star Wars fanbase proves superior--Say what you will about Tommy, GTA:VC is no easy out and KotOR is a legitimate powerhouse if it can beat it. Then, after that, it enters the real division contenders. Its opponent: only the most highly nominated game for the most popular console on the site. And assuming SSBM can weather that, it faces either the 2002 GOTY, the 2003 GOTY, or something that managed to beat them both. I just don't have faith in SSB:M. It's far too dangerous to, you see. No game in the contest has a higher profile of competition on the way to the championship than SSB:M does... on the way to its division championship. --- The GameFAQs Summer Contest 2003 Fanfiction Project: http://crolapras.tripod.com/ffproj.html |
| From: Haste2 | Posted: 3/2/2004 7:39:17 PM | Message Detail |
| As
for Crono being less popular than his game, I'd tend to agree, as I
don't think 2 characters would be more popular than the game itself
just because of their art. Also, Crono just isn't a good character.
Lastly, Crono probably should be more popular in proportion to Magus
than he is, but he's not because he's not the greatest hero around. I
really don't think Magus would be analogous to Sephiroth... That's probably a bunch of restating, but meh... Mario has multiple games in this, so I wouldn't go off saying he's less popular than all his games, heh. Okay, here's a few things to think about... 1. Master Chief almost lost to Felix, who's certainly not much stronger than Isaac, who bombed against Samus. 2. Does Master Chief suffer the Gordon Freeman syndrome? If he does, Halo itself would be more popular than MC and I'd confidently pick Halo to beat Starcraft. 3. Would Starcraft be more popular than the Golden Sun series? Please convince me on your answer for #2 and #3 in order to get me to change my bracket... --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 3/2/2004 7:41:51 PM | Message Detail |
| Okay,
if you saw the discussion going on in the other topics, I somehow
snapped to my senses and realized that four games can win the evil
Division 128. MP, WW, FF10, and SSBM. Non-justified consensuses have MP
vs. SSBM, the justified ones have WW vs. FFX, and in both cases it's
anyone's guess. I personally switched FFX/SSMB seven times today. Am I the only one who doesn't see much tension in the 128 Division? Halo v. Starcraft and Wind Waker v. Metroid Prime aside, it all looks pretty straightforward to me (which I should maybe be worried about if everyone else is having such difficulty). FFX and Vice City could have some friction but this is GameFAQs and Vice City is several spots below FFX on the top ten list, despite being about ten months newer. I don't see Wind Waker as coming close to FFX -- hell, it could lose out to Metroid Prime before it even faces FFX. I don't see any game in the 128 Division that can give FFX a challenge aside from Vice City. If it were Ocarina of Time in there instead of Wind Waker then FFX would have a problem, but Wind Waker isn't even so well-liked among Zelda fans and FFX has been one of the top ten FAQs since it came out over two years ago. And I don't know how SSBM is expected to get past Vice City. Where is the logic in that? There's also the Division 8 final, which I switched four times. The best Mario game vs. a Zelda game that could really be called "lesser". But Zelda > Mario here... so I honestly have no idea. Yeah, I see more uncertainty there than most people seem to, as well. SMB3 is in no way a lock for the Final Four. I (currently) have it beating Zelda, but I'm not certain about the choice. --- "Your fate is sealed, and none but yours." -- Auron Proud Supporter of Starcraft in the Spring 2004 Contest |
| From: Din Mostoll | Posted: 3/2/2004 7:43:31 PM | Message Detail |
| This
might bring up another question (about the Gordon Freeman syndrome):
Can Half-Life beat Metroid Prime? I mean, Half-Life spawned
Counter-strike and Team Fortress Classic, both of which hav a strong
following even to today. --- "Throw the rules out the window, odds are you'll go that way too." -Max Payne in Max Payne 2 |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 3/2/2004 7:45:13 PM | Message Detail |
| Okay, I switched around my Final 4 slightly. Zelda 1 Zelda 3 FF7 Wind Waker FF7 over Zelda 3. Have a good night, everyone. Odd how OOT, easily the most popular Zelda title, should be the first of them to go down. I also really WANT to have an all-Zelda final, but I simply cannot see OOT beating FF7. Kingdom Hearts simply introduced far too any new fans to FF7, and OOT can`t match up. Furthermore, Link is more popular than his series. Granted, it`s the best series ever (in my opinion, and I am a HUUUGE fan of Squaresoft), but any weakness means losing to FF7 on this site. Period. Link`s weakness is that single games cannot match up to FF7, which should be enough. Then again, I was this confident about Link last year, too, and we all saw what happened. I may as well stick up for my favorite game in FF7 (behind Disgaea and FFT, of course). --- My SC2K4 Petition: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=7&topic=12558738 Boards Hunted: 3277 |
| From: StopPokingMe | Posted: 3/2/2004 7:45:54 PM | Message Detail |
| The
key word being "spawned," not "is." Don't believe Shakespeare, there's
a lot in a name. Just because Counterstrike is related to Half-Life
doesn't mean average Joe McVoter knows or cares. --- The GameFAQs Summer Contest 2003 Fanfiction Project: http://crolapras.tripod.com/ffproj.html |
| From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 3/2/2004 7:47:04 PM | Message Detail |
| FFX
is not as popular as you may think. It`s good, but I doubt it`s
Zelda-level good. FF7 aside, one weakness means that you lose to Zelda.
--- My SC2K4 Petition: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=7&topic=12558738 Boards Hunted: 3277 |
| From: Din Mostoll | Posted: 3/2/2004 7:48:57 PM | Message Detail |
| Yeah,
but Half-Life is required to play those games, meaning that one has to
be SOMEWHAT acquainted with it (if one plays counter-strike, that is). Also, Half-Life is recognized as a damn good PC game on its own. --- "Throw the rules out the window, odds are you'll go that way too." -Max Payne in Max Payne 2 |
| From: Haste2 | Posted: 3/2/2004 8:01:35 PM | Message Detail |
| Hm...to
talk about characters' popularity compared to their games, do you think
characters are generally more popular compared to games in their series
if there are more games in the series? (Of course, the number of "big"
games would probably be more accurate...) I mean, a Sonic game would tear apart any Mega Man game (wish one was in) for this contest. If that's the case, a Mario game would be pretty much screwed against Chrono Trigger. Hm, and that probably means SFII will beat SMRPG, mainly because there were only a couple huge SF hits, I think. Hm, and that could mean Metal Gear Solid could beat the likes of say...Super Mario 64. I really don't know, though. This a just a thought that will probably be long and forgetten in a matter of hours... --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| From: Haste2 | Posted: 3/2/2004 8:04:02 PM | Message Detail |
| I'm starting to re-think things about RCR vs. Pong... Is Pong anywhere near the level of Pac-Man? I don't know...Pong could get a lot of nostalgia votes, but it could get a heckuva lot of anti-votes. I'm very unconfident with this match now. Pac-Man would clearly beat RCR... --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 3/2/2004 8:35:40 PM | Message Detail |
| FFX
is not as popular as you may think. It`s good, but I doubt it`s
Zelda-level good. FF7 aside, one weakness means that you lose to Zelda. FFX is debatably the second strongest Final Fantasy game here (a contest between it and FFVI would be intriguing). I absolutely think it's more popular than Wind Waker by a significant margin (as I said, Ocarina of Time would be a different story entirely). Just look at the FAQ statistics. For a significantly older game, FFX gets a lot more hits. --- "Your fate is sealed, and none but yours." -- Auron Proud Supporter of Starcraft in the Spring 2004 Contest |
| From: charmander6000 | Posted: 3/2/2004 8:41:13 PM | Message Detail |
| Rate my bracket (just finished) Round 1 Super Mario Bros. 3 vs. Metal Gear Metroid vs. Pac-Man Phantasy Star vs. Contra Final Fantasy vs. Pitfall Donkey Kong vs. Duck Hunt The Legend of Zelda vs. Adventure Pong vs. River City Ransom Tetris vs. Galaga Chrono Trigger vs. Secret of Mana Super Mario RPG vs. Street Fighter II Sonic the Hedgehog 2 vs. Shining Force Super Mario World vs. The Simpsons The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past vs. Gunstar Heroes Super Metroid vs. Phantasy Star IV Earthbound vs. Doom Final Fantasy III (VI) vs. Mortal Kombat Final Fantasy VII vs. Suikoden II Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal vs. Xenogears Final Fantasy Tactics vs. Dance Dance Revolution Metal Gear Solid vs. Resident Evil Perfect Dark vs. Castlevania: SOTN Goldeneye vs. Panzer Dragoon Saga Super Mario 64 vs. Nights into Dream The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time vs. Fallout 2 Halo: Combat Evolved vs. Starcraft Soul Calibur vs. Kingdom Hearts The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker vs. Skies of Arcadia Metroid Prime vs. Half-Life Final Fantasy Tactics Advance vs. Fire Emblem Final Fantasy X vs. Shenume Grand Theft Auto: Vice City vs. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic Super Smash Bros. Melee vs. Metal Gear Solid 2 Round 2 Super Mario Bros. 3 vs. Metroid Phantasy Star vs. Final Fantasy Donkey Kong vs. The Legend of Zelda Pong vs. Tetris Chrono Trigger vs. Super Mario RPG Sonic the Hedgehog 2 vs. Super Mario World The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past vs. Super Metroid Doom vs. Final Fantasy III (VI) Final Fantasy VII vs. Xenogears Final Fantasy Tactics vs. Metal Gear Solid Castlevania: SOTN vs. Goldeneye Super Mario 64 vs. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Halo: Combat Evolved vs. Kingdom Hearts The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker vs. Metroid Prime Final Fantasy Tactics Advance vs. Final Fantasy X Grand Theft Auto: Vice City vs. Super Smash Bros. Melee Round 3 Super Mario Bros. 3 vs. Final Fantasy The Legend of Zelda vs. Tetris Chrono Trigger vs. Super Mario World The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past vs. Final Fantasy III (VI) Final Fantasy VII vs. Metal Gear Solid Castlevania: SOTN vs. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Kingdom Hearts vs. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker Final Fantasy X vs. Super Smash Bros. Melee Round 4 Super Mario Bros. 3 vs. The Legend of Zelda Chrono Trigger vs. Final Fantasy III (VI) Final Fantasy VII vs. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker vs. Super Smash Bros. Melee Round 5 Super Mario Bros. 3 vs. Chrono Trigger Final Fantasy VII vs. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker Round 6 Super Mario Bros. 3 vs. Final Fantasy VII --- LUE is a cancer, and if it can't be destroyed, it must be contained. - CjayC Posted: 12/31/2003 11:59:59 PM - So close yet so far away |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 3/2/2004 8:43:10 PM | Message Detail |
| Here are my round 2 predictions thus far (always subject to change): DIVISION 8 Super Mario Bros. 3 vs. Metroid: SMB3 is the obvious favorite here, and should beat one of the lesser games in the Metroid series easily. Winner: Super Mario Bros. 3 Contra vs. Final Fantasy: It’s a Square game against a game that is not from Square or Nintendo -- for real this time! It’s from Konami ;) Contra will not be able to beat the Final Fantasy seal of approval. Winner: Final Fantasy Donkey Kong vs. The Legend of Zelda: The original LoZ is going to give that monkey a serious smackin’. Winner: The Legend of Zelda Pong vs. Tetris: Tetris is far more well-loved than Pong. Tetris in a landslide victory. Winner: Tetris DIVISION 16 Chrono Trigger vs. Super Mario RPG: Is there any doubt? As far as RPGs go, Square rules on GameFAQs, and CT is one of the favorites. Farewell, Mario RPG. Winner: Chrono Trigger Sonic the Hedgehog 2 vs. Super Mario World The Sonic franchise can’t stand up to Nintendo, and this was the definitive Mario platformer of the era. Winner: Super Mario World TOUGH: The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past vs. Super Metroid: Seeding may be telling here. Both are from the same system and are so old that the few year age gap between LttP and Super Metroid (1991 vs. 1994) don’t really make a difference (insofar as one is not the “hip” new game that got more nominations because its on people’s minds). Both are from the same console (so no Halo-like discrepancies are possible). Super Metroid got a third seed and LttP got a sixth. Remember, it was us who determined the seeding for the most part; CJayC just tweaked. Assuming he didn’t do any massive tweaking here, I think Super Metroid has the advantage. Winner: Super Metroid Earthbound vs. Final Fantasy III (VI): Even if Doom made it here, it would get crushed. This is no contest whatsoever. Winner: Final Fantasy III --- "Your fate is sealed, and none but yours." -- Auron Proud Supporter of Starcraft in the Spring 2004 Contest |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 3/2/2004 8:44:30 PM | Message Detail |
| Continued: DIVISION 32-64 Final Fantasy VII vs. Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal: Regardless of who wins the Pokemon v. Xenogears match, this one is a foregone conclusion. Winner: Final Fantasy VII TOUGH: Final Fantasy Tactics v. Metal Gear Solid: If it were almost any Final Fantasy but Tactics this would be easy to call, but I’m going to go with MGS beating Tactics by a slim margin. Tactics doesn’t draw the Square fanbase the way most of Square’s other RPGs do. MGS is the best of its series and does have a serious fan following. On the other hand, the Final Fantasy fans may well vote for Tactics by virtue of it being the only RPG in the mix here. Any advice would be appreciated but I’ll call Metal Gear Solid for now. I’m not familiar with the series, else I might know where things stand here a bit better. Winner: Metal Gear Solid Castlevania: Symphony of the Night vs. GoldenEye 007: GoldenEye is the most popular N64 game and one of the most popular FPS games of all time. Castlevania will lose but not by a huge margin; it will put up a respectable fight. Winner: GoldenEye 007 Super Mario 64 vs. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time It’s a pity to see a great platformer like Mario 64 lose so early in the game but it has no chance at all against the most popular Zelda game. Winner: The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time DIVISION 128 Starcraft vs. Kingdom Hearts: This kind of puts the Halo v. Starcraft match into perspective; either way, you only have one point to lose because neither will be getting past Kingdom Hearts. I feel obliged to note that I consider Starcraft infinitely superior, although I still thought Kingdom Hearts was a great game (and had to eat my rash words about the Disney influence). Winner: Kingdom Hearts TOUGH: The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker vs. Metroid Prime: Help? I’m tempted to go with the seeding again and pick Metroid Prime but I suspect the WW fanbase (and the Zelda fanbase in general) will be stronger than the Metroid fanbase and the seeding difference isn’t as significant as it was in the SNES section (nor are other possible intervening variables as easily dismissed). Winner: The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker Final Fantasy Tactics Advance vs. Final Fantasy X: This is pretty lackluster for the first Final Fantasy vs. Final Fantasy match; the outcome is obvious. FFTA will get stabbed in the back by its own fanbase. Winner: Final Fantasy X Grand Theft Auto: Vice City vs. Super Smash Bros. Melee: I see no reason why this is considered a controversial match-up. The GTA franchise has a massive fanbase. I’m not saying the margin of defeat will be ridiculously large but it will be significant. Winner: Grand Theft Auto: Vice City --- "Your fate is sealed, and none but yours." -- Auron Proud Supporter of Starcraft in the Spring 2004 Contest |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 3/2/2004 8:44:58 PM | Message Detail |
| The
number of kids who don't know jack squat about the north division is
killing me. Please, somebody say something to reassure me that the
world won't be burning in hell shortly. --- The cry sounds out from the throngs. PICS NOW, with you both in thongs! - Villainous Janus |
| From: cyko | Posted: 3/2/2004 8:48:59 PM | Message Detail |
| lol, there's too much to respond to. i'll just talk about whatever is current. Pong is purely nostalgia. i mean honestly, if given the choice between Pong and any other game in this contest, which would you rather play right now? Pong had its day back in the late 70's, but the only thing it's got going for it is that it was the first video game. that and River City Ransom isn't very well-known. it's tough to call. most people that have played River City Ransom have enjoyed it. the two player co-op really makes it shine, especially for it's time. i see this one going similar to Pac-Man vs. Kefka. nostalgia versus great, but unrecognizable. of course, i'm still not 100% sure on RCR, but at this point i'm not 100% sure of very much. but at least i've played RCR, lol. which leads me to ask: has anyone played all 64 games in this contest? to be honest, i have never played : Phantasy Star, Panzer Dragoon Saga, and Fallout 2. but i've played the rest at least once and beaten about 39 of them. yay me. as for Master Chief and Halo, Master Chief had his fans making brackets. if you recall, almost 1500 brackets had him WINNING the S2K3 Contest (that was the 8th highest predicted winner, behind only Link, Sephiroth, Mario, Cloud, Snake, Vercetti, and Snake) and 73% predicted him to beat Felix. Halo fans followed their character, but it totally wasn't enough. he barely beat Felix, let alone the whole tourney. the anti X-Box factor is waaaayyyy too high. people may be indifferent towards PC games, but noone is really anti-PC and even fewer are anti-Starcraft. plus, Starcraft is simply huge online. from a logical standpoint, Starcraft seriously looks like an upset in the making. --- Please go nominate Secret of Mana for SNES. Right Now. A Cheese Legend of Trivia 12 |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 3/2/2004 8:49:52 PM | Message Detail |
| Pong wasn't even the first video game... --- The cry sounds out from the throngs. PICS NOW, with you both in thongs! - Villainous Janus |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 3/2/2004 8:50:30 PM | Message Detail |
| And I know 63 of the 64 games myself... darn close to all 64. --- The cry sounds out from the throngs. PICS NOW, with you both in thongs! - Villainous Janus |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 3/2/2004 8:56:17 PM | Message Detail |
| charmander6000, Here’s some comments on your bracket: 1) Contra will beat Phantasy Star, if only by virtue of the difference in the popularity of their consoles. Contra is far more widely known than Phantasy Star. The only possible problem would be if Phantasy Star were associated with Phantasy Star Online, but pics will, in all likelihood, eliminate that risk. 2) Earthbound has a better chance to beat Doom that people realize. As I’ve posted several times today, Earthbound has to have some kind of significant following to be one of the selected SNES games. I instruct caution, though I myself am starting to lean toward Doom. 3) Pokemon has a much wider fanbase than Xenogears, despite Xenogears bearing the Squaresoft logo. Pokemon is the most popular handheld game ever and I don’t see how Xenogears can stand up to that. 4) Watch out for Starcraft. Round 2: 5) Do not underestimate Super Metroid. It will, at the very least, put up a good fight against LttP. I expect Super Metroid to pull a (slightly surprising) win. 6) GoldenEye 007 is a very popular N64 game and is accredited for making the FPS genre what it is today (whether that credit was earned or not). Castlevania is not a safe pick, in my opinion. 7) WHY do so many people expect SSBM to beat Vice City? I don’t see how it has a chance. Vice City is one of the most popular FAQs on this site. It has a massive fanbase, especially considering it’s not an RPG. I haven’t figured out the other rounds just yet so those are all I’ll comment on for now. --- "Your fate is sealed, and none but yours." -- Auron Proud Supporter of Starcraft in the Spring 2004 Contest |
| From: cyko | Posted: 3/2/2004 8:56:31 PM | Message Detail |
| what do you consider the first video game to be then, Chichiri? --- Please go nominate Secret of Mana for SNES. Right Now. A Cheese Legend of Trivia 12 |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 3/2/2004 8:59:31 PM | Message Detail |
| Agree
w. cyko completely about Starcraft. Great points you made. At the very
least, there are few people who vote against PC games just because
they're on the PC (they vote against them because they haven't played
them but not because they hate the PC -- they wouldn't be here if they
did!). --- "Your fate is sealed, and none but yours." -- Auron Proud Supporter of Starcraft in the Spring 2004 Contest |
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