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| From: Qwaar | Posted: 3/1/2004 2:49:57 PM | Message Detail |
| I voted Pokemon in as best GB game, and I would hope that it will be there. On another note, anyone think The Secret Of Monkey Island will make it? It is a legendary game after all... --- "Hobbes, she stumbled into the perimeter of wisdom.Run!" |
| From: GoldSlime35 | Posted: 3/1/2004 2:51:20 PM | Message Detail |
| Red/Blue will be a 1-5 seed. If any other versions get in, they will be seeded in the double digits. |
| From: Samberdog | Posted: 3/1/2004 3:46:42 PM | Message Detail |
| Phew. Finally found it. I feel bad... it's looking like I won't be able to contribute as much to this contest as I have last couple. Unfortunately I don't have as much free time during the school year than in the summer. I'll still try to throw in my two cents though. --- Spring Contest? Sounds like a party... |
| From: cyko | Posted: 3/1/2004 8:40:43 PM | Message Detail |
Speaking of Zero Wing...this garbage had better not make it. Having trash like this on here would spoil the contest and prove Ceej caters to the idiot fanboys. Most of these so called fanboys are bandwagon jumpin dorks who prolly never played the game anyway. The only good thing to come of that game is Slowflake's HILARIOUS N-Waste parody of it. Steve, not since we were on the same Trivia team (Cheese Strikes Back- w00t!) have we been in agreement so much. so much in fact, that i feel the need to repeat what i said earlier: From: cyko | Posted: 2/29/2004 9:00:15 AM | Message Detail As for potential bracket breakers, I can see an obvious choice - Zero Wing. You see, unlike the dialogue, Zero Wing isn't a bad game. With joke votes swelling the totals, ZW could take a victory. talk about a wasted space. i could easily name at least 134 games right off the top of my head that are better and more deserving to be in ths contest than Zero Wing. that game is the video game equivalent of what a one-hit wonder is in the music industry. Zero Wing's only claim to fame is it's poorly translated villain. *ugh* that does not qualify a game to be considered one of the greatest games ever. i swear, if that overhyped game makes this contest, it will get destroyed by epic proportions and i will personally start the Anti-CATS Army to destroy it's irritating fanboys. yep. that's right. however, Pokemon Red/Blue should make it. They were the first, and they spawned enough stuff from a historical standpoint to make it, but they deserve a 13 seed at best. Gold/Silver was the peak of the series. you could port over your old Pokemon, there were more to catch, the internal real-time clock, plus more secrets and hidden goodies. if you take all the merchandising out of it, there was a darn good game there. i think it desrves at least an 8 seed. it'll definitely get some kind of spot for the impact it has had on video games. i mean, just look at all the PokeCrap it has spawned. And, I havne't played soul calibour, is it worth getting, my bd is soon, so it is really that good? yes. yes it is. On another note, anyone think The Secret Of Monkey Island will make it? no. no it won't. side thought- has CJayC confirmed that this is a 64 game contest? what if the brackets come out and it's a 128 game tourney? with two matches a day? 0_o that would be sooooooooooooooooooooooooo sweet. --- Please go nominate Secret of Mana for SNES. Right Now. A Cheese Legend of Trivia 12 |
| From: Z1mZum | Posted: 3/1/2004 10:11:56 PM | Message Detail |
| My favorite thread should get some more life after this. http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/contest/c04spr.html There's the brackets! --- Mega Man in '04? You better believe it! |
| From: Z1mZum | Posted: 3/1/2004 10:32:42 PM | Message Detail |
| I've
already given up on finishing mine tonight. There's far too many close
match-ups here for me to get done at a reasonable hour. For instance, I'm torn on the second match. Pac-Man vs. Metroid. I'm inclined to go Metroid, but it *is* Pac-Man we're talking about here. I know I'm not one of the "usuals" on this thread, but I want to get the ball rolling here and get some thoughts from other people. --- Mega Man in '04? You better believe it! |
| From: DaruniaTheKing | Posted: 3/1/2004 11:18:43 PM | Message Detail |
| Gold/Silver
was the peak of the series. you could port over your old Pokemon, there
were more to catch, the internal real-time clock, plus more secrets and
hidden goodies. if you take all the merchandising out of it, there was
a darn good game there. i think it desrves at least an 8 seed *looks at bracket* *Gives cyko the Slowflake Award for Accurate People* The award is named after Slowflake because he guessed the EXACT perecentatges of Sephy/Raziel =D --- Laura loves Hamtaro WAY too much, don't you think? *wink wink* AIM: DaruniaTheK1ng |
| From: GoldSlime35 | Posted: 3/1/2004 11:31:05 PM | Message Detail |
| No Red/Blue. That's surprising. |
| From: NeoElfboy | Posted: 3/1/2004 11:39:13 PM | Message Detail |
| Wow.
I must say, I'm really surprised by a few omissions (Soul Calibur 2 is
probably the most glaring one right now), as well as some of the games
that got in, but that's only to be expected. Sooo... who wants to start weighing in on the individual matches? |
| From: Ngamer64 | Posted: 3/1/2004 11:49:46 PM | Message Detail |
| Hm... so do we move to a new topic now that the Pre-Season is over? Or maybe pre-season goes for the rest of the month... In any case, guess I get to post first thoughts. The Four Divisions: A surprise, but a welcome one. True, a game like Mario 3 would now appear to have an easy road to the Final Four, but it also makes for some really great matchups already in the first and second rounds. It's a major bonus that the Classic Division will keep us from hearing people whine about the lack of your Pac-Mans/Pong type games. The downside is we lose alot of games with much better chances from the more recent eras... But I'd say it's worth it. One-Per Series, Per Division: Brilliant. This 4-game cap really helped in getting a better variety of games out there. Very nicely done. Strict By-the-Votes Seeding: Another good idea. No more of this "Why is Crono a 4?!" talk; they're there because you put them there. Also, it should allow for alot of fun... Let me be the first to call it: my tournament won't end up being the only Great Game Contest to feature a 16 over 1 upset... Bye bye Halo, StarCraft is taking you down early. Final Fantasy TacTwice: Alright, this upsets me. Ok, so it might be the best thing on the GBA, and apparently got the most votes, but this is one case where CJay should have stepped in and done something about it. We don't need the same game in two divisions! Ack... Overall Bracket Grade: A- CJay knows what he's doing... the only guy we can blame for poor seeding is ourselves, and I'm not going to give us a poor grade. Only issue here is FFTacTwice. Eh, while I'm at it... Top Five Matchups - Round One 5. Perfect Dark VS SOTN 4. Pokemon VS Xenogears 3. Halo VS StarCraft 2. Metroid Prime VS Half-Life 1. Melee VS MGS2 Toughest Bracket to Call: Modern Division. No doubt. Can anyone even spot a "favorite" in here? Wind Waker and Prime are neck and neck, as are FFX and Kingdom Hearts. And Vice City and Melee could be huge... assuming they even last to the 2nd Round! --- the-elite.net Ngamer's Contest Archives: http://geocities.com/cyber1166/gamefaqs |
| From: SlangEdter41 | Posted: 3/2/2004 12:06:25 AM | Message Detail |
| Nice to see many of you guys again. I'll post my first thoughts followed by premature picks: -Some great games omitted(megaman anyone?), while other games makes the cut unjustly. -What determined the seedings? A first seed underdog against a 16seed eh? **Division 8** -I think the original Legend of Zelda is the absolute favorite here, if not the entire tournament. I don't believe SMB3 will put up much of a fight in this one. LOZ has this division locked up safe, at least for now. **Division 16** -LTTP is arguably the favorite here, but a mountain of a path stand on it's way. Early sketch of the bracket has it facing Super Metroid, FF3, then Chrono Trigger. What a titanic road block! My Early pick goes to Chrono Trigger. **Division 32-64** -Another packed division with FF7 and OOT looming large. Metal Gear is a possible dark horse here, but one can't help but to look ahead to fated match between FF7 and OOT. I am still undecided who may come out on top between the two. Based on last year's match between Cloud and Link FF7 may have an edge here. But I actually think OOT will take some votes back, no longer having WW holding it back. The winner here is a potential contest winner. **Division 128** -Wide opened division, with the 16th seed capable of taking down the 1st seed. Wind Waker is obviously the weakest link of it's series, while same can be said for FFT and FF10. I see 6 potential winners here, but my early pick goes to the Wind Waker. ---- Dusis' bullet will avoid Moran Shetland's body and just pass by it. |
| From: Zaphod H | Posted: 3/2/2004 12:16:07 AM | Message Detail |
| From what I understand FFT and FFT:A are two different games, probably just using the same/similar battle system... The divisional themes are a nice touch, and this contest's seeding was pretty much majority rule, which is nice to know. Of course, we all know that what's popular amongst the users may not hold when all the casual voters have cast their lot... I didn't find any lock-ins for any division. I found that each division had at least 2 front runners that were pretty much neck to neck. Division 128 was the toughest to call, with most of the games being equal since the major series, with the exception of perhaps Metroid, had poorer releases than the previous titles. It'll be an interesting contest for sure, makes you wonder what the summer divisions will be like (maybe we'll have a "Nintendo vs Square" division ; ) --- Supporting Super Smash Brothers Melee for the 2004 Spring Contest going ALL THE WAY. It's tankalicous, like DK. |
| From: Jack W | Posted: 3/2/2004 12:23:23 AM | Message Detail |
| SOME UPSETS TO LOOK OUT FOR... And they all involve those fun, multiplayer FPS games. First and foremost, Perfect Dark. the 11 seed on SotN is very misleading, probably due to the mass ff7/ff8 nominations for PS1. The N64 nominations are more "shotgunned" around, focusing on a wider variety of games, FPS, Mario, Zelda, etc. Castlevania also has a huge fanbase, SotN is hailed as the best Castlevania game ever (by most), and as far as main characters go, most would agree Alucard > Jo. Expect a small upset here. Secondly is Goldeneye. While it will wipe the floor with Panzer Dragoon Saga (9 in 10 people don't knwo what it is, 999/1000 people have heard of Goldeneye), it will have a fairly even match against SotN. Again, SotN has a very misleading seed, but Goldeneye is the classic of classics, the first big FPS, and it has James Bond, who is on equal coolness levels as Alucard. This one could go either way, but I still toss the advantage to SotN. Lastly, Halo. In the most misleading seeds in the entire competion, again a result of the shotgun effect, Votes for hundreds of different PC games, Diablo, diablo 2, counterstrike, starcraft, warcraft and i could go on for days. X Box, on the other hand. Halo is its best game, hands down (and that's not saying much). Also, Starcraft is THE most massively played online game (to my knowledge anyways), has a huge fanbase among console and PC players alike. Halo, has a huge fanbase also, but it is mostly just X Box fanboys. Expect a huge upset here, as far as the seedings show. That's all I've got to say for now. --- I swear, human stupidity knows no limits. http://ssjtom.proboards14.com/index.cgi- THE AWESOMEST ADMIN GUY |
| From: NeoElfboy | Posted: 3/2/2004 1:18:09 AM | Message Detail |
| Man, I just realised an omission more glaring than even SC2: not a single Mega Man game! A victim of split nominations, I guess. Ah well, here are some thoughts on the bracket. This is GameFAQs; we like Nintendo and Square I don't expect any game not made by these two companies to win any decisive matches later in the draw. Banking on Halo, MGS, etc., to go deep won't pay off. Instead, expect to see Marios, Final Fantasies, Zeldas, and maybe a Metroid or CT here and there late in the draw. This is GameFAQs. PC games? Those exist? Don't overestimate StarCraft and its friends; GameFAQs is not a PC-gamer-friendly place. I expect Halo to shatter many brackets with a decisive non-upset of StarCraft, and the only PC game I have picked with even a single win is Doom, over the comparatively obscure Earthbound. Past information is your friend GameFAQs opinions are well-documented by polls of the day. Wondering about FFX vs. SSBM? A simple trip to the Game of the Year 2001 poll reveals clearly who the front-runner should be. And it's not just the poll. Top Ten FAQs and Boards indicate roughly how well-loved a game is on GameFAQs; if it's high up, or has a history of being high up on these lists, look for it to do more damage. Of course, you can't underestimate old favourites like SMB3, but don't play everything by heart. Besides that, I suspect the winning bracket will have to make a number of crucial decisions on fronts like Nintendo vs. Square, Zelda vs. Metroid. Probably best to pick sides and gamble as best as you can. Good luck to all. ^_^ |
| From: Rodri316 | Posted: 3/2/2004 1:21:03 AM | Message Detail |
| The
match of the First Round that has me worried most is Halo vs.
Starcraft, mainly because I rely upon the winner of it to make it to
the Eighthfinals. In my case I have Halo beating Kingdom Hearts and
then losing to Metroid Prime. There is not another match in the First Round that I am worried about that puts a Second Round prediction of mine in danger except this one. Geez, who would have thought that the hardest match in the First Round would be a 1 vs. 16 seed? --- Do you have any advice for filling out our brackets? ''Never underestimate the true power of fanboyism.'' - CJayC |
| From: FastFalcon05 | Posted: 3/2/2004 3:22:24 AM | Message Detail |
| I
don't have enough time to check to see if this was said before, but I
love how super mario 64 gets a 7 seed that way it gets to face and most
likely lost to Ocarina of time in the next match. I believe above it is
Goldeneye, perfect dark, ocarina, and some others I would love to make
fun of, but I have school. --- Was nokia trying to prove that something can be made worse than x-box? ~Darkbaconslayer on N-Gage |
| From: cyko | Posted: 3/2/2004 4:40:02 AM | Message Detail |
| well,
now that the bracket is up, i must say that i am mostly pleased.i
especially like how the divisions are separated by era. no Megaman
games, though. i can't believe Megaman 2 or 3 didn't get as many
nominations as Pitfall or Duck Hunt. i'm gonna need to think about these for a little while though..... *phew* Gold/Silver was the peak of the series. you could port over your old Pokemon, there were more to catch, the internal real-time clock, plus more secrets and hidden goodies. if you take all the merchandising out of it, there was a darn good game there. i think it desrves at least an 8 seed *looks at bracket* *Gives cyko the Slowflake Award for Accurate People* lol, thanks, Darunia! ^_^ here's my two questions for everyone: 1. what games did you totally not expect to make it in and don't deserve it? Adventure- wtf? where did that come from? Duck Hunt- come on, you mean it beat Megaman........ phhhttttt.... Phantasy Star 4- very overrated series, but most people agree that 4 is the weakest of the series. what happened to Phantasy Star 2? Resident Evil- Resident Evil 2 was 10,084 times better. 2. what games are you shocked made it, but overjoyed that they did? Simpsons the Arcade game- LOL, i can't believe it actually made it. i played that game so much growing up. River City Ransom- i didn't realize it had so much support. Gunstar Heroes- third best Genesis game. glad to see it. Secret of Mana!!!! that's right! i told you it would make it, but noone believed me!!! not even myself! but against Chrono Trigger? arrrghhhh!!! -_- --- Please go nominate Secret of Mana for SNES. Right Now. A Cheese Legend of Trivia 12 |
| From: torey luvullo | Posted: 3/2/2004 4:44:22 AM | Message Detail |
| Man!
Heroic Tails, you had me convinced. and yet, all those people loving
soul calibur 2 were not enough to get it into the field of
64...incredible...that means, by definition, that soul calibur received
more noms than 2.[see ceej's comment re: ff8] |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/2/2004 5:22:35 AM | Message Detail |
| Okay, I didn't look ant any commentary so far... I'll do it after I'm done typing it. First... a 16 over 1 upset brewing? WHAT THE HELL IS STARCRAFT DOING AS A 16? And Halo as a 1, duh... with the X-Box getting all the hate it does, no one really cares for it anyway. Too bad S3&K didn't get in... now with a single game, and not his best at that, Sonic is essentially screwed. I am also shocked and awed that Half-Life didn't make it. Did Gordon have THAT kind of impact on Ceej's mind? UPDATE: Sorry for looking like an ass, I found it. I gave so little questioning about its defeat when I put MP over it that I completely skipped it. Looks like CJayC set up some funny matches for the later rounds. Pong vs. Tetris? Perfect Dark vs. Goldeneye? (Okay... I have SOTN going to the second round...) According to my bracket, it's going to be a hell of a final week. SMB3 vs. the original LoZ... interesting... CT vs. FF6? A match to wet ourselves! My two favorites! Then, what's considered by many to be the true final, FF7 vs. OoT. Then WW vs. SSBM for a little break... After that, get this, SMB3 vs. Chrono Trigger. Self-explanatory. Then FF7 has to deal with Zelda yet again, in the form of WW. Finally, an epic clash between CT and FF7. Oh yeah, FF7 wins. Believe it or not... I have CT going over THREE (3) Mario games. Another thing to notice is the extremely strong lineup of 3-seeds. The original LoZ, which I have going to the Elite 8, Super Metroid, which could go anywhere between second round loss and Elite 8, Goldeneye, in what is IMO the most crowded 4-pack since Kirby's SC2K3 run, which may or may not win its second match. Then FFX, where it's obvious which matches it will win and where it will fall. SSBM. The curse is pretty much over. A few toughies to call: Donkey Kong vs. Duck Hunt: I'm not sure on that one, but I went with Duck Hunt, because we ain't talking DKC here. Duck Hunt is more recent, PLUS it was bundled with the best-selling game of all time. But Donkey Kong has the whole legend thing going for him... though Aya Brea certainly doesn't! Pong vs. River City Ransom: RCR's name is vaguely familiar... I remember hearing things about it. Pong doesn't exactly addresses the GameFAQs audience... RCR might slip by. But put a more exciting old game like Tetris and it will go over either anyway. I went with Pong, but I'll have to document myself more on RCR. Earthbound vs. Doom: I'm sure we all remember Ness bombing horribly last year, even with the SSBs behind him, especially the original. Not-so-popular RPG vs. moderately-hyped FPS? Might be the toughest first round match to call. Perfect Dark vs. Castlevania: Symphony Of The Night: Perfect Dark is one of the most liked FPSes ever... how can it stand up to a game that single-handedly carried its hero to the Sweet 16 in 2002... but would have failed last year if not for reinforcements? Nonetheless, the PS1 was the dominant console of its generation, and I think it could win on that and that alone. Halo vs. Starcraft: Xenobi must be absolutely pissed off by now... but he probably shouldn't be. That 1-seed right there, folks, seems worse than the likes of Lara Croft or Pac-Man. If Halo is anything like its protagonist, this match could go either way. Throw in a old as heck game that still has legions of supporters, and you have a massive upset. However... Starcraft, unlike CT, is on PC, not an RPG, and neither by Square or Nintendo. And we heard that huge loyal fanbase thing last year with Ramza. That hurts. Especially the PC part. And Halo is probably more known and liked (and probably also hated) than Master Chief. I first picked SC... but wait, I just talked myself into picking Halo. Wait a minute... OK, done. |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/2/2004 5:22:58 AM | Message Detail |
| Sonic 2 vs. Super Mario World:
SMW should win this match... but if the good ol' anti-votes kick in, we
should get an interesting match. And if you throw in fans that see this
match a whole different way... Can't blame them. After all, this era
was the peak of the Sonic/Mario feud. I picked SMW without a second
thought... if it was S3&K, it would likely be essentially screwed
though. Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past vs. Super Metroid: The favorite Metroid vs. the second (third?) favorite Zelda. Link has an obvious superiority over Samus in the Summer Contest... but the consensus with Zelda is with OoT. This match could go either way, for sure. I'm probably going to go back and forth and back and forth as the contest progresses. I have LttP for now. Perfect Dark/Castlevania: Symphony Of The Night vs. Goldeneye: This match is soooo hard to call... we don't even know what one of the games will be in this match! If Perfect Dark wins in the first round, then I think it's going to win the second as well. N64 shooter vs. N64 shooter. Except despite the nostalgia Goldeneye evocates, Perfect Dark still got more praise, unless I'm mixing it up with another shooter. Both are side by side in the FAQs, but in the boards Perfect Dark dominates. And if SOTN beats Perfect Dark... Goldeneye is in deep doo-doo, and I'll refer you to the last sentence of my PD/SOTN analysis. Final Fantasy 10 vs. Super Smash Bros. Melee: Hardest Elite 8 spot to call. SSBM is THE game to get for Gamecube, combines Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Kirby, Star Fox, Pokémon, Fire Emblem... against a very well-liked game, well, except for its hero... who is still the third strongest FF entrant in both summer contests, which is an honor. Normally, SSBM should take this... except the display of power by Tidus last summer gives me second thoughts. And its sequel, despite the hate it gets, is still atop the most requested FAQs list... could this be a decisive factor? Super Mario Bros. 3 vs. The Legend Of Zelda: We remember Mario vs. Link, don't we all? Well, this is it again. Except... we got the fan-favorite Mario game vs. a Zelda game that gets little talk. However, LoZ is higher on the FAQ and board lists for the NES. It won't be easy for either... I picked SMB3 for now, but it can change easily. Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker vs. Super Smash Bros. Melee: Of course, if FF10 gets here, WW will win. But I guess this shows you the true power of SSBM as a wildcard... WW has its detractors, and as I said earlier, buying a Gamecube and not getting SSBM is a sin punishable by death. I have WW down for the win, but it can change easily. |
| From: Seadragon76 | Posted: 3/2/2004 5:28:27 AM | Message Detail |
| Well...You can guess how I feel about my fighters (i.e.: They got screwed over by those Square dumbasses). --- Uncle Seadragon wants you to support Fighting games in the 2004 Spring contest! Fighters Left: SFII, MK, SC, SSBM |
| From: Sir Shake | Posted: 3/2/2004 5:33:45 AM | Message Detail |
I'm having great difficulty weighing Wind Waker. I currently have it going down to Metroid Prime. --- Shake : Can ya cook? Kali101 : Not really. I nearly killed myself once, trying to make spaghetti. |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/2/2004 5:40:34 AM | Message Detail |
| LOL, I have it going all the way to FF7. Funny that it could outlast OoT. Oh, and for the record, I have Halo going down to KH. There are a few 4-packs here that should get a lot of discussion. My biggest conflict, the Perfect Dark 4-pack, is located at the exact same place as the Kirby/Ramza/Alucard one last year... and the Jill/Kirby/Bomberman one in 2002. Talk about a coincidence. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW |
| From: Sir Shake | Posted: 3/2/2004 5:44:52 AM | Message Detail |
I was waiting for your analysis, Slowflake. Sure enough, we agree on a lot, and we have different picks for some of the toss-ups. I'm going to switch a lot on this one, I just know it. I actually thought this would be so much easier. ^_^ --- Shake : Can ya cook? Kali101 : Not really. I nearly killed myself once, trying to make spaghetti. |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/2/2004 5:47:36 AM | Message Detail |
| Yep, my good performance last year lulled me into a false sense of security. Also, I haven't discussed the three CT/Mario matches, but I think CT will go over all of them. Unless there are a lot of people that see another Mario/Crono match... but then again, it's more of a board inside joke *points to quote* than, say, Sonic 2 vs. SMW. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW |
| From: SlangEdter41 | Posted: 3/2/2004 5:50:05 AM | Message Detail |
| Does anybody else think Zelda has a chance to sweep every division? -3rd favorite Zelda can probably take the favorite Mario. Remember, when asked to identify favorite Nintendo Franchize, Zelda voters doubled Mario. -Wind Waker is probably the favorite in it's division over FFX or SSMB. I am semi-sure about this, with recent game of the year results here firmly supporting WW. -OOT has probably 40-50% chance of beating FF7, without WW turning few voters off. I still haven't made up my mind about this one, but if OOT can win this, the sweep is inevitable. -LTTP can probably take Chrono Trigger, but can it survive Super Metroid, FF3, and CT in succession? I keep thinking if Ganondorf can make Magus sweat, the 2nd favorite Zelda game can probably take the 2nd favorite Square game. FF3's popularity continues to decline, with FFX likely the 2nd most popular FF game right now. I know all four scenarios happening together is slim, but any thoughts? --- Dusis' bullet will avoid Moran Shetland's body and just pass by it. |
| From: Sir Shake | Posted: 3/2/2004 5:51:48 AM | Message Detail |
I have CT over 2 of them at the moment, with SMB 3 edging it out. Its based on gut, and I am inclined to switch it simply because I suspect most voters nowadays never played the damn game. Same could be said for CT, to a lesser degree, but CT was never released in Europe. My head hurts. --- Shake : Can ya cook? Kali101 : Not really. I nearly killed myself once, trying to make spaghetti. |
| From: MyWorldIsStillSquare | Posted: 3/2/2004 5:56:33 AM | Message Detail |
Polls dating back to 2001 actually suggest that FFX may be the game to beat in Wind Waker's division (FFX throughly thrashed Melee and FFX-2, which most people consider to be greatly inferior to X, only lost to Wind Waker by 9000 votes in the best game of 2003 poll). FFX or Metroid Prime will both give Wind Waker trouble, espesically if swing voters swing against Zelda because of past victories over other favorites. I'd say there's a better chance for OoT to win its division than any other Zelda. Think about it this way; all OoT has to do is beat FFVII. That's it. There's simply no other competition there. In comparison, LttP has FF3/6, CT, and Super Metroid to get by, not to mention Super Mario World or Sonic 2 if either beats CT. The original Zelda is also the least popular Zelda in the contest. It has a chance, but it's up against a lot of wild card nominations that may do poorly...or may thrive. And WW has its work throughly cut out for it. --- Its been proven...MWISS >>> maplejet, know your good SC2K3 users. |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/2/2004 6:00:01 AM | Message Detail |
| LTTP
is an absolute wildcard, that's true. I totally forgot about this one,
but the bout with FF6 should be a good one, with... wait, I have FF6
winning this, huh? I'll switch. Okay, back to LTTP vs. CT... I don't think it can quite cut it. Chrono Trigger is probably more popular than Crono (see Magus being so damn close to Crono) and LTTP doesn't quite get the consensus. Plus, I think it came out in 1989... strike 3. I agree with you... a sweep is definitely possible if OoT edges out FF7. But as I said, the problem is likely to be LTTP. As for the original... good point. Though comparing the original Zelda to the original Mario might respect those numbers you say more... still, it might take it. However, I see SMB3 as having a better shot at taking out CT than the original Zelda for some reason. This match is going to require a lot of thinking on our end. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/2/2004 6:00:49 AM | Message Detail |
| Ummm... didn't polls predict a spectacular Yoshi blowout over Bowser? --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW |
| From: Sir Shake | Posted: 3/2/2004 6:08:53 AM | Message Detail |
Yes, they did. I'm considering putting Chrono Trigger over SMB 3, but what Mario fan wouldn't vote for that game? And MWIS brought up the excellent point that the times Crono lost the most to Mario were European Prime Internet Traffic times. I hadn't considered that before, and the fact that I had to emulate in order to play the game (I really tried to order it) makes it entirely possible 'The European Factor' will be the buzz of the day when that match rolls around. This European shenanigan is bothering me. --- Shake : Can ya cook? Kali101 : Not really. I nearly killed myself once, trying to make spaghetti. |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/2/2004 6:10:54 AM | Message Detail |
| So you mean... it might not be the cheating all along? Remember though, in 2002, CRONO was the comeback kid near the end of the poll. I'm not so sure. What Mario fan wouldn't vote for SMB3, you ask? Any Mario fan who voted Crono last time, of course. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW |
| From: Qwaar | Posted: 3/2/2004 6:12:31 AM | Message Detail |
| Ok, here is my analysis of all the interesting matches. Division 8 - METROID VS PAC-MAN Difficult to call, but I would say Pac-Man.Metroid fans are more inclined to vote for the other 2 games. Possible matches - Mario 3 VS Pac-Man - This might be closer than you think, but Mario will win the day. Pong VS Tetris - Talk about Old School! Tetris will take this, but it will be a fun match. Zelda VS Tetris - An extremely close match, but I feel Zelda will go the way of original Maetroid, and that Tetris will win this match. Divisional Final - Mario 3 VS Tetris Mario 3 has the advantage over Zelda that it is the best game of the series.Mario 3 should win this comfortably. DIVISION 16 A superb division, with Chrono Trigger and Zelda leading the way.Also big games like Doom and Super Metroid having a good shot. SUPER MARIO RPG VS STREET FIGHTER 2 God, what a match.I have Mario RPG down for winning(even though it wasnt released over here) but Street Fighter has every chance of winning. EARTHBOUND VS DOOM Many have Earthbound here, but you would be a fool to bet against Doom.This game defined FPS games and people are sure to vote in their droves.Doom will win here, but it wont be a blowout. Possible matches Sonic 2 VS Mario World By all accounts Mario should win, but considering this is the only Sonic game, you can bet every single Sega fan will be behind this.I have Mario winning by a small margin. Zelda - A Link To The Past VS Super Metroid Argh! Too difficult to predict... this will be a fantastic match.I put LTTP down to win, but it could just as easily be Metroid.Whatever game wins this will go far. Divisional Final - Chrono Trigger VS LTTP This match will be a beauty, with Chrono winning by a slender margin. Division 32-64 My fave division with the best games IMHO.The 2 powerhouses of OoT and FF7 lead the way, with strong contenders Metal Gear Solid and Goldeneye. POKEMON VS XENOGEARS My heart says Pokemon and my brain says Xenogears.I go for Xenogears, but who knows? METAL GEAR SOLID VS RESIDENT EVIL This will be a close bout, closer than expected but still expect MGS to emerge victorious. PERFECT DARK VS SYMPHONY OF THE NIGHT A tasty battle, and many people doubted PD even getting in the tourney.I have PD winning, but SOTN is looking every increasingly likely to win.Regardless, the winner will go on to get creamed by Goldeneye. Possible Matchups Perfect Dark VS Goldeneye Battle of the RARE shooters, this will be close, but if PD is beaten by SOTN then it wont be so close.Goldeneye should win this, but PD always has the chance. Mario 64 VS Ocarina Of Time 2 Flagship titles of the N64, this nothing less than a clash of the Titans.Mario 64 is very popular, but ask most people and they will never stop praising OoT.Ocarina will win this, but it should be competitive. Final Fantasy 7 VS Ocarina Of Time The true final, but who will win? Ocarina will win.How much it will win by remains to be seen. Continues in next post...... --- "Hobbes, she stumbled into the perimeter of wisdom.Run!" |
| From: Qwaar | Posted: 3/2/2004 6:12:46 AM | Message Detail |
| Division 128 I doubt if any game in this division is Championship winning material, but he have some good bouts ahead.I can't pick any real favourites for this division. HALO VS STARCRAFT 2 good games, both of which are seeded stupidly.HALO is no way a number one and Starcraft is one of the most popular games ever.Starcraft will win this hands down. METROID PRIME VS HALF-LIFE My heart says Half-Life and my Brain says MP.I voted Prime to win, but I would not be surprise if Half-Life won, and I will be voting for Half-Life come tourney time. GTA VICE CITY VS KOTOR Close on paper, I voted for KOTOR taking this.It collected more GOTY awards than Homeworld did in 99.However, popular stupidity suggests Vice City will win. Possible Matchups Wind Waker VS Metroid Prime If this happens, then we have battle of the GC flagship games.I voted for Prime to win this, but Wind Waker certainly has the favourite.I go for Prime creating an upset. Starcraft VS Metroid Prime I have no idea who will win this, but it doesn't matter as they will be fodder for SSBM. Division Final Metroid Prime VS Smash Brothers Melee Smash will win Semi Final Predictions Super Mario Brothers 3 VS Chrono Trigger - Chrono Trigger Zelda - OoT VS Super Smash Brothers Melee - Zelda Final - Zelda Ocarina Of Time VS Chrono Trigger It wont be that close.....OoT with a comfortable victory and taking the crown! --- "Hobbes, she stumbled into the perimeter of wisdom.Run!" |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/2/2004 6:15:44 AM | Message Detail |
| Popular stupidity also had Vercetti nearly losing to Donkey Kong. Not so stupid after all, huh? I picked KOTOR for the win. After all, not only did Vercetti bomb last year, KOTOR was the only X-Box game to reach the top of the FAQ request list and stay there for a while. Though I wouldn't discard VC just yet. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW |
| From: KrusTy the KloWn | Posted: 3/2/2004 6:19:04 AM | Message Detail |
| If we have an all Zelda final Four, the status of my waffle will be upgraded to thoroughly roffleized. I can't believe Zero Wing didn't get in! Oh well... Now, as for my picks. I'm not as much of a stat junkie as any of you, but I think my picks have a chance. Sweet 16: Mario 3, Contra, Zelda, Tetris, Chrono Trigger, Mario World, LttP, FF3, FF7, MGS, SOTN, OOT, Kingdom Hearts, Metroid Prime, FFX, and SSBM Elite 8: Mario 3, Zelda, Chrono Trigger, LttP, FF7, OOT, Metroid Prime, and FFX Final Four: Mario 3, Chrono Trigger, OOT, and (gulp) FFX Finals: Mario 3 and OOT Winnar: Ocarina of Time - Discuss --- You spoony bard! ~Tellah (FF4) |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/2/2004 6:23:44 AM | Message Detail |
| The award is named after Slowflake because he guessed the EXACT perecentatges of Sephy/Raziel And when Maplejet would post that one time, too. XD I guess we were right... people aren't seeing SSBM coming. As the Summer Contest proved time and time again, previous polls go out of the window. Squall beats Tidus in every single PotD, but come Contest time, oops! Tidus has the advantage. Bowser vs. Yoshi... we all remember that, don't we? --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW |
| From: SlangEdter41 | Posted: 3/2/2004 6:23:54 AM | Message Detail |
| Good
point about FFX. Everyone underestimated Tidus last year as well, and
it is pretty safe to bet that the game itself is way more popular than
it's less than "cool" main character Tidus. It should be a close match
between FFX and WW in that division. --- Dusis' bullet will avoid Moran Shetland's body and just pass by it. |
| From: Sir Shake | Posted: 3/2/2004 6:27:54 AM | Message Detail |
Slowflake, AIM me at Shake24m if you can. I want to make you a regular predictor and Stat-Head in my comic, much like Mastermind used Samberdog. I have a Snowman Sprite with your name on it. --- Shake : Can ya cook? Kali101 : Not really. I nearly killed myself once, trying to make spaghetti. |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/2/2004 6:29:16 AM | Message Detail |
| I don't have AIM. BTW, FF10/SSBM is beginning to make my head spin. I'm not so sure anymore... --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW |
| From: steve illumina | Posted: 3/2/2004 6:31:45 AM | Message Detail |
| Well here we go! What Got In and Got Omitted Well since he did it based on popularity rather than historical contributions and all that stuff I rambled about...some observations are in order: Division 8: I nominated Zelda 1 and Phantasy Star :) And it will prove it belongs by taking out Contra. Good to see old school represented by Pac Man, Pong, Galaga, Adventure and Pitfall. Too bad most of those will be destroyed. Lock of the Round: Tetris over Galaga: This wont be pretty. Upset Special: Pac Man will squeak by old school Metroid. Surprise Match: Duck Hunt will give a good fight to Donkey Kong and surprise peeps, but still lose. My Final: Mario will fall to Zelda 1, the best pure game of the early generation... Division 16: I nominated SF2 and Phantasy Star IV :) Too bad Star wont go far...but SF2 will! Arcade Simpsons...awesome game, bad spot! What the heck is Gunstar Heroes doing here? That spot belongs to Arcade MK2. I am ticked MK1 is there in its place...mere fodder for FF6. Alas...MK2 would have put up a better fight. Lock of the Round: Hate to say it, but FF3 will embarrass my loved Mortal Kombat... Upset Special: SF2 will beat Mario RPG, take it to the bank. Surprise Match: Mario will have a tough time with The Simpsons, but will hold out to setup the eager match with Trigger. My Final: Trigger defeats FF3, thanks to the fanboys... Division 32-64: I nominated Goldeneye and SotN :) I talked about R Evil belonging and it is there. Nights? Nope that belongs to something else...so does Fallout 2. At least there is no Zero Wing... Lock of the Round: So few peeps have played Nights...Mario 64 will punish it. Upset Special: SotN will beat Perfect Dark...its just a way better game, best of the Vanias, etc. Surprise Match: The only surprise here will be how poorly DDR and Panzer do against FFT and Goldeneye in their matches. My Final: FF7 takes Ocarina in a grudge match for the ages. Division 128: I nominated Halo, Soul Caliber, Wind Waker :) In some ways, the toughest to call. Fire Emblem dont belong here. Period. Shenmue? Thats a laugher. Lock of the Round: FFX will so thoroughly destroy Shenmue it will be amusing. Upset Special: Kingdom Hearts will send Halo into the ground in Round 2, just as Aeris did Master Chief last summer. Surprise Match: Star Wars KOTOR over overrated Vice City. My Final: Ever popular SSBM over Wind Waker...toughest one to call no doubt. If any bracket fails me it will be this one. Back with more stuff later :) Keep contributing peeps! Oh and Hi Slowflake :) Cyko: woohoo to you too! --- Trivia XII: Neo Diehards...SC2K4: Oh MK Arcade... "A real gamer...standing tall against fanboys for over 20 years!" |
| From: MyWorldIsStillSquare | Posted: 3/2/2004 6:39:36 AM | Message Detail |
Final Fantasy X will demolish SSBM if it has the chance. In fact, if not for Wind Waker and -- to a lesser extent -- Metroid Prime, I'd easily declare FFX the most dominant force in that division. FFX has suffered because of Tidus and Yuna in the character contests, but it's a game that's proved remarkably popular nonetheless. The whole of the product is greater than the sums of its parts. The bottom line is, SSBM is a fighting game. It's a great game, one well-debated here, but it suffers from Goldeneye syndrome: not the right genre. One could argue that the appearance of every Nintendo star is a boost, but it's a bane as well, because SSBM doesn't have the kind of story or plot that...well...people love here. We're known as a site that doles out awards to characters like Link and Cloud because of the quality of their adventure and RPG games...the character development and such matters more than button-mashing. We like our stories, our legends, and our legacies. SSBM hasn't been around for ten or so years, either. The decades of accolades help. In defining a series. --- Its been proven...MWISS >>> maplejet, know your good SC2K3 users. |
| From: DaruniaTheKing | Posted: 3/2/2004 6:40:21 AM | Message Detail |
| Phantasy
Star 4- very overrated series, but most people agree that 4 is the
weakest of the series. what happened to Phantasy Star 2? W...T...F...? I think you confused your series. 4 is seen as the good one, it has character development et all. And 3 always was the weak link. Not 4. Well, I have Contra losing its match, so whatever. --- Laura loves Hamtaro WAY too much, don't you think? *wink wink* AIM: DaruniaTheK1ng |
| From: Qwaar | Posted: 3/2/2004 6:40:54 AM | Message Detail |
| Snowflake, I need your opinion.Have I underrated FFX? I have it losing to SSBM in the 3rd round. --- "Hobbes, she stumbled into the perimeter of wisdom.Run!" |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/2/2004 6:44:09 AM | Message Detail |
| I personally just chickened out and sent FF10 to the Elite 8. I remember first picking Squall to beat Jill, then chickening out and picking Jill. I also first thought Yuna would beat Knuckles, then I changed my mind. There's no clear sign of whether it's a good omen or not. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW |
| From: charmander6000 | Posted: 3/2/2004 6:52:21 AM | Message Detail |
| My Bracket so far: Mario 3 ??? ??? Final Fantasy Donkey Kong Zelda l Pong Tetris Chrono Trigger ??? Sonic 2 Mario World Zelda: LTTP Super Metroid ??? FFIII FFVII ??? FFT MGS Castlevania SOTN Goldeneye Mario 64 Zelda: OoT ??? Kingdom Hearts Zelda WW Metroid Prime ??? FFX GTA: Vice City SSBM So any tips on the blank ones and as much as I hate this I probably will have FFVII going all the way --- LUE is a cancer, and if it can't be destroyed, it must be contained. - CjayC Posted: 12/31/2003 11:59:59 PM - So close yet so far away |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/2/2004 6:56:25 AM | Message Detail |
| For Charmander: I have Metroid, PS, SMRPG, Earthbound, Xenogears, Halo and FFTA winning these, if it can help. Though I'm really unsure with SMRPG and Earthbound. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW |
| From: Sir Shake | Posted: 3/2/2004 7:01:12 AM | Message Detail |
I have Earthbound losing to Doom, because I'm affraid Earthbound will suffer from the -who? where? when?- factor. At least everyone recognizes Doom. Its grasping for straws, but I found one. ^_^ And the small fact that it is a juggernaut in Gamespy's Contest (Biased toward PC to the MAX, admittably) gave Doom the final nod. --- Shake : Can ya cook? Kali101 : Not really. I nearly killed myself once, trying to make spaghetti. |
| From: irriadin | Posted: 3/2/2004 7:01:24 AM | Message Detail |
| I
think the Starcraft seeding is a travesty. And possibly sets up a major
upset during the first round. While everyone can say constantly,
"Starcraft is a PC game. This is [the console-central] Gamefaqs," most
console gamers have played Starcraft. It's sold over 6 million copies,
and currently hosts well over 200,000 games a day [on battle.net]. While people have certainly played Halo, I think Starcraft will pull away with a victory. It's quite possibly the most recognized and most well liked PC game in existance, hence my choice of picking SC over Halo. --- Backing StarCraft and Ocarina of Time in the Spring 2004 contest. |
| From: DaruniaTheKing | Posted: 3/2/2004 7:01:38 AM | Message Detail |
| I
have Metroid, PS, SMRPG, Earthbound, Xenogears, Halo and FFTA winning
these, if it can help. Though I'm really unsure with SMRPG and
Earthbound. Lemme see... I agree with Metroid, but I'm unsure as well. PS will win, be assured. I think SF2 will win, it has The European Factor (November '95 my ass, Nintendo), EB (Meh, it can go either way...), Pokémon (Pikachu=HATED, it already smelt from day one. The games rock, and they0re still on top of the GBC chart), Halo (Duh), and FFTA (If this wasn't GFs, I would have FE, it's superior in every way. I hhave played both, so I know what I'm saying). And I say RCR will win its match. Hey, it's another opinion. --- Laura loves Hamtaro WAY too much, don't you think? *wink wink* AIM: DaruniaTheK1ng |
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