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| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/6/2004 11:47:46 AM | Message Detail |
| Remember
the old saying, "the board doesn't matter"? I wouldn't trust those not
from the board to have played either of those games, and odds are, PS
will take a lot of the neutral vote, simply because either they've
heard or played later installments, or the name just sounds better (I
mean, "Contra"?). --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW |
| From: steve illumina | Posted: 3/6/2004 11:53:27 AM | Message Detail |
| True that...forgot about that! --- Trivia XII: Neo Diehards...SC2K4: Match 1: Go SMB3! "A real gamer...standing tall against fanboys for over 20 years!" |
| From: Starion | Posted: 3/6/2004 12:00:21 PM | Message Detail |
| Maybe
I am out of the loop here or something but I thought Contra had the
better name recognition factor. Also, you said not to trust the board
but wasn't the nomination done mostly by "the board"? Slowflake, do you think the Gamecube price cuts are a significant factor in the strength of SSBM? I keep hearing news about how Nintendo sold a lot more Gamecubes here and in Europe after lowering the price of the system. Chances are, these buyers would buy the more prominent games like WW, MP, and SSBM. |
| From: AppIes | Posted: 3/6/2004 12:02:49 PM | Message Detail |
| Don`t
trust the board, you ask? Simple. We`re the only people talking about
the contest in any great detail. Go to any social board for one of
these games. Odds arre that they don`t care. 95% of the vote, at least,
is simply people picking their favorite game and moving on. We can
dissect WHY these people will go the way they do, but in the end, I
doubt that most of us know with 100% certainty on EVERY match.
Otherwise, we`d all have perfect brackets. --- //\\. ||¯|| ||¯||' || " //_ ((¯ ||¯|| ||¯.. ||¯.. ||_ \\¯ _)) |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/6/2004 12:18:01 PM | Message Detail |
| The
nominations weren't done only by this board. Anyone who had an account
could do it. Of course, odds are, the people here would care more, but
in the end, when the polls happen, a lot of people outside of the board
will vote. I doubt we even form 1% of the votes... and as Apples said,
the other 99% just toss a vote for their favorite and move on. The thing that's interesting to notice is the extremely low rate of abstention on any poll, assuming the voting block stays relatively consistent between matches (although it's guaranteed to grow up for later rounds). That means that vote counts will still be impressive, even for a "battle of the weaklings" like Gordon/Max, which only got 200 less votes than the second least popular match, Sam/Magus. And odds are, a lot of them didn't play either game, or at least didn't recognize that dude from Half-Life, making these matches quite volatile. It might explain why Gordon's performance changed so much between both years. In regard to that, it's not impossible that an even smaller fraction played PS and/or Contra, given that Half-Life and to a lesser extent Max Payne have at least some sort of recognition. Effectively making this match even more volatile. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW |
| From: cyko | Posted: 3/6/2004 12:20:50 PM | Message Detail |
| well,
the point of that poll is that this board contains some of the most
hardcore RPG fans on this site. if even a lot of the hardcore RPG fans
have never played Phantasy Star, then how much of the general public do
you honestly think has played it? Contra was far more popular when both
games first came out because at the time, noone cared about the Sega
Master System or RPGs. and the original Phantasy Star hasn't been
released since, so it has had very little exposure. i believe its high seeding was (just like Halo) because it was the only game on the system worth nominating and pretty much the only game on the system anyone remembers. i mean seriously, name five other decent Sega Master System games. Phantasy Star cannot win based on own merits as a video game, simply because very few people have ever played it. the only thing that could pull it past Contra is the series recognition from the Genesis games and Phantasy Star Online. if it was the Phantasy Star Series versus the Contra series, i would probably side with Phantasy Star. but this is a one-on-one match, and i don't think the series recognition will quite be enough. i won't be shocked to see PS win, but i think more people will remember Contra and it will come away with the victory. --- Please go nominate Secret of Mana for SNES. Right Now. A Cheese Legend of Trivia 12 |
| From: Enoch Camas | Posted: 3/6/2004 12:28:27 PM | Message Detail |
| My thoughts on Phantasy Star vs. Contra: I've heard of Phantasy Star before the contest. Haven't heard of Contra. Done. Also, can casual or neutral voters honestly vote Contra over a game titled Phantasy Star? I highly doubt it. =P --- "Delicious morsel! Let me get my bib...!" - Ultros "To be forgotten is worse than death...." - Freya Crescent |
| From: SilverDragonz | Posted: 3/6/2004 12:53:50 PM | Message Detail |
| I'm
torn between OOT, SMB3, AND FFVII. My two favorite game of all time are
SMB3 and OOT, FFVII doesn't even come close to my top 20. But the users
of this site are sure to vote for it. I would also look at the regular
casual visiters now and then, that would go in SMB3'S favor. It IS THE
biggest selling video games of all time 24 million, MUCH more than
FFVII 7 million. But i have to consider Link winning the first summer
contest(in the character contest, most people see the character as a
representation of the game, hence WW link going down so easily.) --- "Milotic rhymes with errotic. o_O" GigaRaver |
| From: AppIes | Posted: 3/6/2004 12:57:43 PM | Message Detail |
| I`m curious about something. Everyone, name your Top Five. Go. --- //\\. ||¯|| ||¯||' || " //_ ((¯ ||¯|| ||¯.. ||¯.. ||_ \\¯ _)) |
| From: AppIes | Posted: 3/6/2004 12:58:02 PM | Message Detail |
| Oopsie... I meant your top five favorite games, not your top five in the contest. --- //\\. ||¯|| ||¯||' || " //_ ((¯ ||¯|| ||¯.. ||¯.. ||_ \\¯ _)) |
| From: Yesmar | Posted: 3/6/2004 3:00:52 PM | Message Detail |
| I think part of the reason Sam/Magus had such a low vote count was because it was on July 4th and people were busy celebrating. --- Heh Heh... The wind... It is blowing...--Ganondorf The Leftovers member in Trivia XII |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 3/6/2004 3:01:01 PM | Message Detail |
| My thoughts on Phantasy Star vs. Contra: I've heard of Phantasy Star before the contest. Haven't heard of Contra. Done. Uh, okay. You're in the minority then, unless you speak of Phantasy Star Online, which is the real unknown variable in this competition. Were it Phantasy Star vs. Contra without the existence of PSO, Contra would wipe the floor with it as it has a much larger fanbase and is from the more popular console. With PSO...well, pics will matter here because obviously they will make it difficult to confuse the two but I could still see Phantasy Star winning based on its name similarity to PSO. Also, can casual or neutral voters honestly vote Contra over a game titled Phantasy Star? I highly doubt it. =P The name Phantasy Star sounds stupid. Contra sounds much better. This is coming from someone who has not played either game. My top five games? Feh, irrelevant, sadly, since most of them are on the PC. Here they are, nonetheless: 1) Planescape: Torment 2) Xenosaga Episode 1: Der Wille Zur Macht 3) Starcraft 4) Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 5) Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn --- "Your fate is sealed, and none but yours." -- Auron Proud Supporter of Starcraft in the Spring 2004 Contest |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/6/2004 3:05:16 PM | Message Detail |
| The name Phantasy Star sounds stupid. Contra sounds much better. Funny, I said the exact said thing... but in reverse. XD Of course PSO is the unknown factor. I'm expecting 20-25% of the voters to have actually played either game, tops. The others are likely going to go "Oh, I heard of PSO" and vote PS based on that alone. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW |
| From: MyWorldIsStillSquare | Posted: 3/6/2004 3:05:40 PM | Message Detail |
My top five games: 1: Metal Gear Solid (and its inevitable Gamecube remake) 1: Chrono Trigger 3: Final Fantasy VII 4: Civilization III 5: Sonic The Hedgehog 2 I consider MGS and CT tied for first because I couldn't choose between them. BTW, my next five does include some Nintendo: 6: Suikoden II 7: Starfox 64 8: Super Mario Brothers 3 9: TIE Fighter 10: Final Fantasy X --- Official Supporter of Metal Gear Solid in the SP2K4. First to be slaughtered: Resident Evil |
| From: MyWorldIsStillSquare | Posted: 3/6/2004 3:07:12 PM | Message Detail |
Those are my personal favorites, mind you. If I were to write a "Top 10 Videogames Of All Time List", some of those games wouldn't make it. It's just that my own personal preference differs from the preferences of others. --- Official Supporter of Metal Gear Solid in the SP2K4. First to be slaughtered: Resident Evil |
| From: Haste2 | Posted: 3/6/2004 3:11:37 PM | Message Detail |
| I
believe its high seeding was (just like Halo) because it was the only
game on the system worth nominating and pretty much the only game on
the system anyone remembers. i mean seriously, name five other decent
Sega Master System games. That exact statement applies to me. The only SMS games I've heard of is Phantasy Star series, and I picked the original because I wasn't sure if PSII was on the SMS or the Genesis... Also, I think "Contra" sound much cooler than "Phantasy Star." Heck, some might think it's trying to rip off Final Fantasy or something. I also think the fact that a sidescroller that wasn't a 1st Pary Nintendo game made it to the contest means a lot... --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| From: Who Cares? | Posted: 3/6/2004 3:14:39 PM | Message Detail |
| My top five favorites...hmmmmm... 5. Street Fighter 2 4. Mario Kart 64 3. Sonic 3 2. Mega Man 4 (Even though I think 3 is the best, this was my fave) 1. Super Mario Bros 3 I have a lot of games that could fill out my 6-10 if it were a Top Ten list. |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 3/6/2004 3:26:01 PM | Message Detail |
| BTW, my next five does include some Nintendo Hehe, mine doesn't even include any Square. The two games that are in the contest from my favorites are doomed to failure early. Oh well. I still leave with the satisfaction of knowing that Monolith, Blizzard, Bioware, and the defunct Black Isle are Gods. --- "Your fate is sealed, and none but yours." -- Auron Proud Supporter of Starcraft in the Spring 2004 Contest |
| From: NeoElfboy | Posted: 3/6/2004 6:32:56 PM | Message Detail |
| Favourites? 1. Super Mario Kart 2. Final Fantasy Tactics 3. Final Fantasy X After that, my list gets too close for me to bother with tiebreaks... but it includes Mega Man 3, Super Mario Bros. 2 and 3, Final Fantasy VI/III, Suikoden 3, and Super Metroid, at the very least... Yeah, I tend to favour RPGs a bit over other genres, along with sidescroller/action/adventure/whatever-they're-called-this-year types like Mario, Mega Man, Zelda, and Metroid. I wish the nominations had been done with lists like these instead of console-by-console, thinking on it. Most of the seeding errors, etc., are the result of games from consoles with fewer worthwhile titles getting lots of noms (Halo beating out FFX/SSBM/WW/Prime, for instance, or PS1 getting in and not a single Mega Man game, or Soul Calibur getting in and its much more popular sequel being snubbed, etc.). On the other hand, this system allowed me to nominate excellent games I wouldn't have based on a top five (Genesis' Phantasy Star IV, GameCube's Soul Calibur 2, Macintosh' Marathon) but one of those faces first-round execution and the other two didn't get in, so ;_; |
| From: AppIes | Posted: 3/6/2004 8:10:23 PM | Message Detail |
| If
I were to write a "Top 10 Videogames Of All Time List", some of those
games wouldn't make it. It's just that my own personal preference
differs from the preferences of others. All I was really asking for, really. --- //\\. ||¯|| ||¯||' || " //_ ((¯ ||¯|| ||¯.. ||¯.. ||_ \\¯ _)) |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 3/6/2004 8:32:45 PM | Message Detail |
| If
PSO had never been released Contra would beat PS... if this contest was
held about 10 years ago it'd be an absolute massacre. It's already been
said, but I'll reapeat it... in its day no one cared about the master
system. Contra, for those of you who don't know, was actually a HUGE
game in its day, and the casual voter is more likely to know what
Contra is as opposed to Phantasy Star. This is, however, a
predominantly RPG site. How much the casual vote accounts for is the
deciding factor in this match. BTW, Contra basically means counter-revolutionary, or in other words guerillas. Back in the late 80's when Contra was released such groups were more well known as they were highly active in Central and South America. Research on the subject will unearth a great deal of CIA involvement, as well... Well, that's all unrelated, but should explain why Contra wouldn't be as lame of a title then as it may seem now. I mean really, who WOULDN'T want to play the roll of a CIA trained soldier taking down guerillas and umm... aliens. The all too classic code: up,up,down,down,left,right,left,right,B,A,[Select,]Start This code, which pretty much any gamer in their 20's could tell you off hand, came from this very game. If for nothing else this gmae will probably be forever remembered for the most well known cheat code in gaming history. It's like the 867-5309 of video games... "Congratulations! You've destroyed the vile Red Falcon and saved the universe. Consider yourself a hero." --- "Find Sister. Bone Sister. Kill Giant Tick." - Magus' plan, in the words of SemiFinal vs. Belarus |
| From: Starion | Posted: 3/6/2004 8:57:52 PM | Message Detail |
| Hope
you guys don't mind me posting this here. I was just curious about
which system had these games. It might also help me (maybe not) about
the relative strengths of each game. DIV 8: NES 01.SMB3 03.Legend of Zelda 04.Final Fantasy 08.Metroid 10.River City Ransom 11.Duck Hunt 16.Metal Gear ARCADE 02.Tetris 06.Donkey Kong 07.Pong 09.PacMan 12.Contra (why is this here?) 13.Pitfall 15.Galaga SEGA MASTER SYSTEM 05.Phantasy Star ATARI 2600 14.Adventure |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 3/6/2004 9:01:53 PM | Message Detail |
| Half
of those arcade games were also on the NES, and I'd say with certainty
that Contra is more well known for its NES version and Tetris for the
GB version and the NES version with its legal troubles. Funny how Phantasy Star is the only master system rep... as if there is a good chance that its was more of an "I can't think of anytihng better" nomination. Something like that could obviously make its seeding rather decetive, much like Halo. Heck, even the Xbox got more than one representative. --- "Find Sister. Bone Sister. Kill Giant Tick." - Magus' plan, in the words of SemiFinal vs. Belarus |
| From: Starion | Posted: 3/6/2004 9:16:50 PM | Message Detail |
| DIV 16: SNES 01.Chrono Trigger 02.FF3/6 03.Super Metroid 04.Super Mario World 06.Zelda:LttP 07.Earthbound 08.Super Mario RPG 16.Secret of Mana GENESIS 05.Sonic 2 11.Gunstar Heroes 12.Shining Force 14.Phantasy Star IV ARCADE 09.Street Fighter 2 13.The Simpson 15.Mortal Kombat PC 10.Doom |
| From: philsov | Posted: 3/6/2004 9:23:34 PM | Message Detail |
| Are
there any Squall/Luigi types of matchups in this contest? I only ask
because I just looked at phil`s bracket here and he has Goldeneye
beating OOT... *points and laughs* --- And though she says I'm brave and bold She knows a flower cannot hold up a wall... *is Ultimaterializer |
| From: DomaDragoon | Posted: 3/6/2004 9:30:13 PM | Message Detail |
| Something
like that could obviously make its seeding rather decetive, much like
Halo. Heck, even the Xbox got more than one representative. Which isn't too surprising when you consider that both Halo and KotOR are also on the PC, making it possible for those who voted to get both in. (I call it the Doom Gambit, as Doom has been on so many systems that a person could choose a system that they would otherwise ignore and vote for Doom with it) Heck, to a lesser extent, MGS 2 is an XBox title (that's what I voted for). Everyone, name your Top Five. Go. In no particular order: -FF Tactics -Tetris -Super Mario Kart -Unreal Tournament -Shining Force II --- RPGP/RPGDL Contributor "DragoonJay"; Smart Ask! National Champion (2003) Chanting Monks www.rpgdl.com |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 3/6/2004 9:35:57 PM | Message Detail |
| We
won't really know what the Squall/Luigi match is until they play out.
The sure shot (or Luigi, as it were) that I'd like to see get Squall'd
is Goldeneye by Panzer Dragoon Saga. Okay, so it won't happen, but it'd
be nice. --- "Find Sister. Bone Sister. Kill Giant Tick." - Magus' plan, in the words of SemiFinal vs. Belarus |
| From: Starion | Posted: 3/6/2004 9:38:46 PM | Message Detail |
| DIV 32-64 PLAYSTATION 01.Final Fantasy 7 04.Metal Gear Solid 05.Final Fantasy Tictacs 09.XenoGears 11.Castlevania:SOTN 13.Resident Evil 16.Suikoden 2 N64 02.Zelda:Ocarina of Time 03.GoldenEye 06.Perfect Dark 07.Super Mario 64 SATURN 10.NIGHTS 14.Panzer Dragoon Saga GAME BOY COLOR 08.Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal ARCADE 12.DDR PC 15.Fallout 2 |
| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 3/6/2004 9:44:30 PM | Message Detail |
| Hmm, methinks I like that variation of pwned... Squall'd - to be pwned by an opponent who is expected to be pwned be you with your eyes closed. --- "Find Sister. Bone Sister. Kill Giant Tick." - Magus' plan, in the words of SemiFinal vs. Belarus |
| From: Starion | Posted: 3/6/2004 9:53:25 PM | Message Detail |
| DIV 128 PLAYSTATION 2 03.Final Fantasy X 07.GTA: Vice City 09.Kingdom Hearts 15.Metal Gear Solid 2 GAMECUBE 02.Super Smash Bros. Melee 04.Metroid Prime 05.Zelda:Wind Waker DREAMCAST 08.Soul Calibur 12.Skies of Arcadia 14.Shenmue GAMEBOY ADVANCE 06.Final Fantasy Tactics Advance 11.Fire Emblem PC 13.Half-Life 16.StarCraft XBOX 01.Halo 10.Star Wars:KOTOR |
| From: steve illumina | Posted: 3/6/2004 11:37:57 PM | Message Detail |
| noone
cared about the Sega Master System or RPGs. and the original Phantasy
Star hasn't been released since, so it has had very little exposure. Phantasy Star Collection for GBA released in October last year has the first 3 in the series on it. Also to the guy who mentioned it was prolly the only SMS game known...you are very likely right. That system did very little in gaming history. It gave us P Star, Alex Kidd, and not much else really... A very good point...a very good point indeed... --- Trivia XII: Neo Diehards...SC2K4: Match 1: Go SMB3! "A real gamer...standing tall against fanboys for over 20 years!" |
| From: solarshadow | Posted: 3/7/2004 12:46:07 AM | Message Detail |
| Wow, this topic just keeps growing. I'd just like to take a second to quote this: Sir Shake: That would make me ignore my gut-feeling. I can do that, but I'll have to sleep on it. I think that's a fantastic line. These are the kinds of compromises we have to make with ourselves to account for the fanboy factor. It's painful, but it can be done with a little effort. That just sums up the whole bracket making process for me right there. That said, I'm thinking of more-or-less sticking with my gut for this contest. I kind of over-analyzed things in the last contest and it ended up hurting my bracket. Which brings me to the discussion that Heroic Tails was having. I would caution somewhat against making risky picks simply for the hope of placing higher. There is just no substitute for the winning pick in a match. I used the "risky" method a few times in the previous contests, and it did not serve me so well. One good example is that for SC2002 I assumed most people would either have an all-Nintendo or all-FF final. So I decided to pick a split in order to boost my chances for a prize. It didn't happen and cost me 48 points. Picking Crono over Mario in SC2003 was a bad choice too. The thing is, you need to get the match right, regardless of whether anyone else does. Which, of course, is easier said than done. ;) Still, I don't think OoT is such a bad choice... As for Contra and PS... I'm having trouble conceiving of a world where PS beats Contra. It's probably because Contra holds a very important place in my childhood. Particularly the co-op play in both Contra and Super C. Also, I'm fairly certain I played the very first copy of Contra III that was shipped to my city. So maybe I have a soft spot. :) I'm surprised that more people aren't familiar with Contra though. It was pretty big in its day and it had at least a couple of good sequels before all the crap came out. So, my heart says Contra. My brain and my gut haven't weighed in yet though, so we'll see if that changes. Every point matters. If you think of too many matches as throw-away matches, you start to find you're losing a lot of points. --- Contest Stats: http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com |
| From: Starion | Posted: 3/7/2004 1:08:49 AM | Message Detail |
| I
wouldn't exactly call choosing Crono over Mario a "risky" pick. The
point value of that match was very high and the difference between the
winner and loser was expected to be small. It was almost like a
coin-flip really. As for Contra, I don't really know whether the people here are more familiar with Phantasy Star or Contra. I'm banking on the more casual users of Gamefaqs to be more familiar with Contra. I'm not terribly impressed with Phantasy Star's ranking particularly since it is the only representative of the Sega Master System. |
| From: creativename | Posted: 3/7/2004 1:43:36 AM | Message Detail |
| I'm
very shocked to hear people referring to Contra as "obscure", and
saying that so-called casual voters will actually side with Phantasy
Star. I mean, what the heck??? Phantasy Star is a very obscure game, and while the series has some modern name value, it's questionable how much that might help it. That, I think, is the big factor for this match. Contra on the other hand was uber-popular. It was one of the most played and well-known games on the NES (a system that sold something like 40 million units). On this site, it seems most visitors were weened on the SNES and PlayStation; but really now...Contra is certainly no obscure game. This is a "best game" contest, and Phantasy Star was a well-respected game, so it might have a chance. But it won't be because Contra is somehow more obscure than it, since that isn't even remotely the case. In terms of popularity and dominance within its own era, Contra is up there. And as we know, Phantasy Star is an even more extreme case of the "Halo nomination effect" than Halo itself. The only other Master System game I can even think of is Alf...heh, as a kid, I was a huge fan of the TV show, so I wanted a Master System just for Alf. But I'm glad that I never got one, because the system was very weak in terms of quality games. Picking Crono over Mario in SC2003 was a bad choice too How so? That match was a total crapshoot. Replay that 24 hour period again and the result varies half of the time. (unless you include "Mario cheating factor", but let's not go there) And given that Mario was picked far more than Crono in brackets despite the match being a crapshoot, it made no logical sense to pick Mario, unless you were picking because of favoritism. It's different if, say, 95% of people pick a character to win, whose actual odds of winning are, say, 60%. There's an asymetry there, but the optimal thing is still probably to pick the favorite (though this is really a "Game Theory" problem, and thus this is simply a generalization; for specific competitive instances, the optimal choice may be different). How this relates to FF7 vs. OoT: If this match is indeed as even as most people say--and if the brackets will also be very much in favor of FF7, as many assume--then if you want to increase your odds of winning, you go with OoT. Of course, those two assumptions aren't necessarily accurate. Anyway; I, personally, will be picking FF7 because even though I loved OoT, I want Final Fantasy 7 to win and I think it deserves to win more than Ocarina of Time does. But if those assumptions are true, than that isn't really the smart thing to do. I'm having trouble conceiving of a world where PS beats Contra Same here. --- Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4! |
| From: creativename | Posted: 3/7/2004 1:44:01 AM | Message Detail |
| BTW, solarshadow, you probably want to start a new topic soon. --- Remember to nominate Frog from Chrono Trigger for Summer Contest 2K4! |
| From: Rodri316 | Posted: 3/7/2004 1:52:58 AM | Message Detail |
| Pretty
much none of my gamer friends, including myself, has played Contra. It
may be popular among some older hardcore gamers, but many didn't even
play the game while owning a NES (like me). I think its popularity is
somewhat exaggerated, and the fact that Phantasy Star carries Sega
support, a series name, and, most importantly, the association with the
popular game on Dreamcast, Gamecube and recently on Xbox -- "Phantasy
Star Online" -- will give it the win. --- Do you have any advice for filling out our brackets? ''Never underestimate the true power of fanboyism.'' - CJayC |
| From: Starion | Posted: 3/7/2004 2:14:10 AM | Message Detail |
| Rodri, Contra wasn't limited to the NES system. There were Contra games for the SNES, PS1, Gameboy, and PS2 systems. Also, there was a recent announcement of a new Contra for the PS2. To me, this shows that Contra has (at the very least) the same level of recognition that Phantasy Star has. |
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| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/7/2004 5:51:35 AM | Message Detail |
| Now I'm having serious doubts about PS vs. Contra. I hate to go against my gut feeling, though... --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW |
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| From: red sox 777 | Posted: 3/7/2004 6:05:25 AM | Message Detail |
| On Phantasy Star vs. Contra: My gut feeling says Phantasy Star, and it seems to me that Contra is no longer nearly as popular as it once was. Having said that, I'm going to take UltramaterializerX's advice and not change my pick against my gut feeling. On Goldeneye/Castlevania/Perfect Dark: I don't think PD has the casual gamer fanbase to beat Castlevania. This is the one thing Goldeneye has that PD doesn't. Goldeneye remains the 3rd best selling console game in North America since the introduction of the N64 to this day, behind only Mario Kart 64 and Super Mario 64. So, can Goldeneye beat Castlevania? I would say yes, but Alucard did perform fairly well against Cloud in 2002, and his popularity went up last year. Goldeneye, on the other hand, is a First-Person-Shooter, and GameFAQs does not like those. If there is any shooter that can make the Sweet 16 on this site, it would be Goldeneye, but I don't think it can beat out Castlevania. On Ocarina of Time vs. Final Fantasy VII: OoT will win. Why? No Kingdom Hearts Factor. FFVII will not draw nearly as much on the Kingdom Hearts support that Cloud drew on for the reason that Cloud was in KH, not FFVII. Likewise, I expect all the FF games with characters in KH to perform weaker than might be thought based on the character's performance in SC2K3. Well, actually, FFVII may get a little bit of KHF from people who liked KH enough to warrant the purchase of FFVII, or from people who liked Cloud enough to vote for his game over Ocarina of Time. This 2nd group, though, I feel will not be very large, as the opponent is The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, the 1st Perfect Score from Famitsu, #1 at GameRankings, a very well known and respected game. It would be hard for someone to vote for a game they have never played over that. If they didn't play either but did play Kingdom Hearts, (It's not likely that someone who visits this site would be in that situation) many of those will vote for OoT based on its prestige. With this limited KHF for FFVII, OoT should be able to overcome the 1% or so it needs. (and possibly more) --- Red Sox Magic Number to To Win World Series: 164 Oh, Mario vs. Crono? Not a question of whether Mario will win or not, but HOW. - Slowflake |
| From: smitelf | Posted: 3/7/2004 6:37:07 AM | Message Detail |
| The all too classic code: up,up,down,down,left,right,left,right,B,A,[Select,]Start This code, which pretty much any gamer in their 20's could tell you off hand, came from this very game. If for nothing else this gmae will probably be forever remembered for the most well known cheat code in gaming history. Oooh, so that's where it came from...now I'm definitely voting Contra. FFVII may get a little bit of KHF from people who liked KH enough to warrant the purchase of FFVII, or from people who liked Cloud enough to vote for his game over Ocarina of Time. This 2nd group, though, I feel will not be very large, as the opponent is The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, the 1st Perfect Score from Famitsu, #1 at GameRankings, a very well known and respected game. It would be hard for someone to vote for a game they have never played over that. If they didn't play either but did play Kingdom Hearts, (It's not likely that someone who visits this site would be in that situation) many of those will vote for OoT based on its prestige. With this limited KHF for FFVII, OoT should be able to overcome the 1% or so it needs. (and possibly more) I don't see how not having KH behind it will affect the FFVII vs. OoT match to the extent you seem to think it will. First of all, KH did help FFVII by making those who played it want to play some of the FF games they'd never played before, so I'd still say FFVII got a slight boost from KH. Not that it will matter because FFVII has been one of the top ten FAQs here since the dawn of time while OoT has floundered somewhere in the top 50. If this weren't GameFAQs, OoT would have a much better chance. As it is, this is GameFAQs, and Square RPGs rule this realm. You're assuming with your analysis that OoT would beat FFVII had this contest taken place before Kingdom Hearts. I don't think that is the case. And the game rankings at various game sites are irrelevant here; as I said, this is GameFAQs and has a different community than gaming sites in general. Do you really believe the "prestige" vote will go to OoT here? I think not. That sort of vote should balance out evenly enough at this site to make it irrelevant. --- "Your fate is sealed, and none but yours." -- Auron Proud Supporter of Starcraft in the Spring 2004 Contest |
| From: cyko | Posted: 3/7/2004 6:52:45 AM | Message Detail |
| new topic coming today !! yay! this one filled up fast. and yes, the Contra code still rocks. i remember if you entered it into Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles while in a level, you instantly killed your turtle. it was very amusing to pull on a friend, but very mean. --- Please go nominate Secret of Mana for SNES. Right Now. A Cheese Legend of Trivia 12 |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/7/2004 7:30:14 AM | Message Detail |
| Aw,
I'm still torn on PS/Contra. If I switch to Contra, will I do what I
did when I gave in to the hype for Wario? Decisions, decisions... Red Sox 777: Sure, KHF will likely be reduced, however, Link has a lot of games to split his popularity on, while Cloud's problem is to a much lesser extent. Believe it or not, not all of Link's fanbase likes OoT, while an immense majority of Cloud's fans likes FF7, duh. The same goes for all the Nintendo franchises, and also Megaman, and to a lesser extent Sonic... maybe that's why I have an all-Square final match. That being said, I'm not going back on my decision this time. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW |
| From: Starion | Posted: 3/7/2004 7:56:17 AM | Message Detail |
| I'm not so sure of Contra myself but aren't we worrying a bit too much? At worst, a wrong choice here could cost only 3 points. |
| From: Slowflake | Posted: 3/7/2004 8:01:40 AM | Message Detail |
| No way the winner beats FF1. NO FRIGGIN' WAY. Whoa, I don't think one of these topics filled up this fast... I think we had like 150-200 posts on the day the bracket came out. --- SpC2K4 Status --- Winner: FF7 --- Finalist: CT --- Semifinalists: SMB3, LoZ:WW |
| From: azzkikr17 | Posted: 3/7/2004 8:12:41 AM | Message Detail |
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| From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 3/7/2004 8:16:58 AM | Message Detail |
| The
fact that you put your Xbox nomination into MGS2 speaks volumes... you
weren't the only one to use an Xbox nom for a port that was more
popular on another system. That being said, Halo's support base is
fractured even more than PS thanks to ports of good games... yet it
still made it to the top of the list for its generation and PS didn't.
Really, if you have no decent competition on your own system while the
NES is fractioned between 30-40 (in all likelihood there were this many
games with decent support) shouldn't you have the 1 seed? Not only was
competition scarce for exclusives, but there were hardly any ports. As
was pointed out there were only about 4 games on the master system that
could hold up today, and a couple of them are so obscure most people
will never have heard of them. I just think PS is over represented by a
lack of quality titles on the system. Contra was very well known in its day, and anyone who doesn't know that is either too young or they just had an "unlucky" draw in their NES days. There were, after all, so many great NES games that hardly anyone who was a child during its heyday played them all. Oh and... this is why I never put much stock into the KHF. FF7 will hold up on its own, that we all know. This IS and RPG site for the most part, and FF7 is the most well known and respected RPG in this country (which is also why it has the most haters). Notice OoT hate isn't very vocal? Is this because it is overall a perfect gaming experience? I doubt that. Chances are the less vocal hate is a sign that there is less vocal love for the game, and if that's the case then I just don't see it winning. --- "Find Sister. Bone Sister. Kill Giant Tick." - Magus' plan, in the words of SemiFinal vs. Belarus |
| From: azzkikr17 | Posted: 3/7/2004 8:17:34 AM | Message Detail |
| well thats the end of this --- No one is a virgin, life screws us all. |
| From: azzkikr17 | Posted: 3/7/2004 8:17:35 AM | Message Detail |
| well thats the end of this --- No one is a virgin, life screws us aIl. |
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