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| From: Slowflake
| Posted: 10/27/2003 4:35:05 PM | Message
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We will play ostrich and pretend it never
happened.
Reminds me of a point I was trying to make
during the contest on Tetra's Trackers... everyone's dissing the
game, sure, but come release date no one will particularly care,
keeping Link where he should be. Heck, with all of the bad press
Wind Waker got, he's still got it. (Could this be what happened with
Star Fox Adventures anyway?)
Advent Children seems to be a
different case however. It's already got monster hype, while SFA
wasn't big from the start, no one cares about TT except for the
occasional bashing, and Wind Waker's stock went up greatly with the
actual release; the problem wasn't the graphics anymore, just the
"too much sailing" complaint. (Thank God for the warps!)
So
what was I saying? Oh yes, everyone and the sand on their boots are
waiting for AC. Heck, even my brother, who doesn't even know what
FF7 is about, and despite the fact that we don't even have a DVD
player at home, wants to see it (as far as I'm concerned, I'm
just... bleh). EVERYONE will want to see it. And it will have no
choice but to patch the plot-holes of FF7. And as you said, most
people will be turned off by the answers provided.
From a
contest point of view, with the kind of advantage they have over
Link as of now (slim to none: open the door and BANG, clutch in your
face), Cloud and Sephiroth have no right to disappoint, and I'm
pretty sure they will.
---
Magus isn't evil. He just wants
to kill an enormous intergalactic tick for denying him the chance to
grow up enough to bone his sister. -SFvB |
| From: Garsha
| Posted: 10/27/2003 5:17:29 PM | Message
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127 || Ms. Pac-Man ‘02 -- 6.39%
128 || Mr.
Driller ‘02 -- 5.60%
Whoa... Mr. Driller is BELOW Ms.
Pac-Man? That's sad...
---
MyWorldIsSquare - Not
closing account =D
Mario - Winner of the Nintendo
Character Contest |
| From: Yesmar
| Posted: 10/28/2003 2:46:14 PM | Message
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Nothing much to say, except that I doubt Raziel
could beat Pac-Man.
Also, the effect of AC will probably
depend on when it is released.
If it is released smack dab in
the middle of Sephiroth and Cloud's tough matches, good or bad they
will win.
If it's released in June, however, and is really
bad, there could be enough time for a backlash to
occur.
---
Heh Heh... The wind... It is blowing...--Ganondorf
Mad Caddies Team Member |
| From: Slowflake
| Posted: 10/28/2003 4:04:25 PM | Message
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Raziel/Pac-Man: If you remember, Strider did
better than Scorpion against Link, and Scorpion beat Pac-Man by a
lot more than Strider beat Raziel. That's my logic.
Advent
Children: For some weird reason, I always thought it would be
released right into the contest. Perhaps that's just me being
pessimistic. But yes, if it has time to work its evil, it might just
give Link what he needs to reclaim his title.
Off-topic: The
prizes were gift certificates for what exactly? I always wondered,
especially since I was so close... so close...
*sniff*
---
Magus isn't evil. He just wants to kill an
enormous intergalactic tick for denying him the chance to grow up
enough to bone his sister. -SFvB |
| From: GunMage
| Posted: 10/29/2003 7:35:47 AM | Message
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Preserve and bump.
---
Current
occupations: author, contest updater, RPGer, robber, candy
giver...
(Vs. Mode:
http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=8&topic=9727932) |
| From: Haste2
| Posted: 10/29/2003 5:52:48 PM | Message
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Yes...I feel people have underestimated Raziel
at least somewhat...though he did seem to drop in popularity in
2003. Perhaps he almost beat Strider simply because he was more
recognizable, while Strider had more fans to back him up, which
means he performs far better against an Elite-9 character. I'm
betting these sorts of situations between two not-so-popular
characters alter the results, mainly things dealing with recognition
and pictures. This gets me wondering if Raziel could even beat
Pac-Man, because the pizza's certainly ahead of Max Payne, and
Raziel performed just slightly better than Max.
Of course,
if Link 2002 = Sephiroth and all the other characters mentioned in
that last paragraph were unchanged in their support (I know it's
unlikely, but still...), then Raziel gets 51.86% against Max, and
Scorpion got 65.37% against Max (I'll assume Scorpion and Max didn't
get affected, since they're very recognizable). So, Scorpion gets
64.03% against Raziel. That means Strider gets about 64% against
Raziel, and something swung the percentage difference by over 20%!
Sheesh... Of course, another idea is that Strider's fans could be
just way more dilligent than Raziel's.
Another common thought
you guys have had is this: how on earth did Bomberman decrease in
popularity? Actually, I don't believe that Bomberman decreased so
much (I think he did drop) as Alucard and Kirby increased! Alucard
was featured in Castlevania: HoD (IIRC), his first game since SotN,
to bump him up a notch, and Kirby was more broadcasted between
Summer '02 and Summer '03, with his new TV show and such, along with
some angry Kirby fans from 2002. That also helps explain why
Sephiroth didn't beat Alucard by as much as he should've.
---
"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could
be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat
CAKE! ...I think." |
| From: SemiFinal
vs Belarus | Posted: 10/29/2003 5:56:48 PM | Message
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Alucard wasn't in Harmony of Dissonance. He was
in Aria of Sorrow. And his appearance in that game would've hardly
been enough to boost his popularity because, unless my memory fails
me, he is never referred to by that name in the entire
game.
Also: Alucard > Sephiroth
---
All Sephiroth
ever does is kill a fat old man, kill a flowergirl, and burn a
hick-town to the ground. I could go to Northern Louisiana and do the
same thing. |
| From: Slowflake
| Posted: 10/29/2003 6:07:08 PM | Message
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Actually, Max Payne would beat Kefka by a hair,
according to stats. Anything with Max, Kefka, Pac-Man, Raziel,
Gordon and Strider seems to be very close and could end up in a
toss-up, especially with margins of error (as shown with the
Snake/Knuckles polls).
---
Magus isn't evil. He just wants
to kill an enormous intergalactic tick for denying him the chance to
grow up enough to bone his sister. -SFvB |
| From: Haste2
| Posted: 10/29/2003 6:13:24 PM | Message
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Didn't you guys agree that Kefka did terrible
due to SFF (or some other cause that made Kefka do bad)? Yes, you
guys agreed that it was one that was definitely affected by it (or
something else), along with Mario vs. DK and Snake vs.
Raiden.
Besides, Link himself is supposed to beat Pac-Man
with 80%, not Crono. In fact, creativename said that Crono was
supposed to have beaten Pac-Man with about 73%.
---
"Ah, a
party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a
party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| From: Slowflake
| Posted: 10/29/2003 6:17:48 PM | Message
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Perhaps there was some SFF, but not too much.
Percents are worth more at low levels (diff. between 20% and 21% is
bigger than between 44% and 45%) and there's also the possibility of
a margin of error. And hey, one would think that SFF would
overwhelmingly advantage KEFKA, not Crono...
---
Magus
isn't evil. He just wants to kill an enormous intergalactic tick for
denying him the chance to grow up enough to bone his sister.
-SFvB |
| From: Haste2
| Posted: 10/29/2003 6:20:22 PM | Message
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My bad. I've played little of Castlevania games,
and I knew Alucard appeared in SOME new game. =p
As for Solid
Snake vs. Knuckles differences, I believe that more in their changes
of popularity rather than random numbers...just look at how much
worse Sonic did, and I'm betting Sonic's decrease carried over to
Knuckles. Heh, that makes Yuna look terrible,
too.
---
"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It
could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and
eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| From: Slowflake
| Posted: 10/29/2003 6:23:17 PM | Message
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But Tails can easily be explained, and Shadow,
despite getting Mario anti-votes for sure, is probably no dud
either.
---
Magus isn't evil. He just wants to kill an
enormous intergalactic tick for denying him the chance to grow up
enough to bone his sister. -SFvB |
| From: Haste2
| Posted: 10/29/2003 7:12:44 PM | Message
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What do you mean "Tails can be easily
explained"? Oh yes, the '02 and '03 Tails' are right next to each in
the charts. ^_^ Even applying my more complicated methods, Knuckles
and Tails seem to be about the same in 2003 as in 2002. (In fact,
Tails increased if anything) But, no matter how you look at it,
Sonic dropped by at least a couple of percent points. Kind of odd.
It also gives good evidence that Auron vs. Cloud did NOT
involve SFF in Cloud's favor. Wah, I was probably wrong. At least on
that one. But I'm still a true believer on Mario vs. Link SFF and
such. :p
What about Solid Snake increasing? It makes sense in
terms of Mega Man vs. Snake, where people were claiming that Mega
Man decreased. If Knuckles and Mega Man stayed the same and Solid
Snake's scoring better against Knuckles meant something, then Snake
would get a predicted 47% against Mega Man, instead of 44% in 2002.
Pretty accurate (I got this by having the 2002 Mario roughly equal
40% against Link, which is what I found is the best value to assign
him, not 42-43% like I thought before)
Sorry, I'm not trying
to put down random error or anything like that, but I'm just
thinking of other things.
For a couple purposes, does anybody
know what the rough peak percentage Cloud had against Mario after
the first hour of Mario vs. Cloud?
---
"Ah, a party! We
haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a
party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| From: Enoch
Camas | Posted: 10/29/2003 7:36:52 PM | Message
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So... I've been thinking.
It's apparent
Magus and Ganondorf are near Sonic and Snake in popularity. If we
aren't certain Sonic and Snake can beat them, then perhaps they
shouldn't be in the top.
If Magus or Ganondorf do beat Sonic
or Snake in the upcoming contests, then we would have to expand the
top lists. The question is: Are Mega Man, Mario, Crono, and Samus
far enough from Sonic and Snake in popularity that the latter two be
dropped off the top list?
---
"Run! Run! Or you'll be well
done!" - Kefka
"Don't tease the octopus, kids!" - Ultros |
| From: Haste2
| Posted: 10/29/2003 8:53:22 PM | Message
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Actually, I think Magus and Ganondorf aren't
quite on par with Snake and Sonic because...
Sephiroth and
Cloud defeated the other Elite 9 characters much worse than Link
did, more than a 52% victory against Link would presume. I think
this was due to bracket voters and other desperations for Link's
victory pulled Link closer than he should've been. This puts Link's
value lower than before compared to Cloud, so it makes the
characters in the North worth less than the ones in the other
divisions, which means characters like Magus and Ganondorf are a bit
further behind.
On the other hand, perhaps Link
increased from 2002 to 2003. That could make sense, as he
defeated Samus by more than expected, and also Fox (according to my
rankings list, not creativename's). Of course those could also be
accused of SFF, heh. (or maybe both that and Link's increase) If
Link improved, then I guess we could forget the above paragraph.
=p
Yeah, it's hard to imagine Link not winning it all if he
only improved from last year. :p
...I make a lot of tongue
faces. I just love them. They're almost my
trademark.
---
"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those.
It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch
and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| From: Haste2
| Posted: 10/29/2003 8:57:21 PM | Message
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From the looks of the 2003 results I would agree
that it should be an Elite 7, now...
---
"Ah, a party! We
haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a
party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| From: Yesmar
| Posted: 10/30/2003 3:24:59 PM | Message
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About the Elite 9 and such things I always
divided the 9 into three groups.
The
Elite
Cloud
Link
Sephiroth
The Floaters (Used to be
Top Tier, before Cloud and Sephiroth joined
Link)
Mario
Crono
The Lower
Elite
Megaman
Samus
Snake
Sonic
Even so, this is
just getting really specific and if you do lump them as the Elite 9,
which I do unless getting technical, you could just call Magus and
Ganondorf Honorary Members of the Elite Group or
something.
---
Heh Heh... The wind... It is
blowing...--Ganondorf
Mad Caddies Team Member |
| From: Slowflake
| Posted: 10/30/2003 3:28:09 PM | Message
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I'd put Megaman and Samus up with Mario and
Crono. And when speaking of Magus and Ganondorf, I'd add Tidus and
Zero as well.
---
Magus isn't evil. He just wants to kill
an enormous intergalactic tick for denying him the chance to grow up
enough to bone his sister. -SFvB |
| From: Who
Cares? | Posted: 10/30/2003 6:43:09 PM | Message
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| Whoa, whoa, drop Sonic and Snake out but put in
Magus and Ganondorf?! I know the numbers say they probably should be
some dropping or adding, but lets not forget the current elite all
have had 2 years to prove themselves, while Magus, Ganondorf, and
even Zero have only showed their stuff in one contest. Let's wait
and see how they perform when they're expected to do well. (just
like the Elites last year) And don't foget, Sonic has a
multi-platform game coming out (Sonic Heroes) & I believe Snake
has a game coming out as well(?) Now, if they continue to decrease,
or get beat by Magus or Ganondorf, then we can drop them. But that's
only until that happens. |
| From: Slowflake
| Posted: 10/31/2003 4:16:19 AM | Message
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No no no, it's either drop Sonic and Snake OR
let Magus and Ganondorf in. But yeah... another contest wouldn't
hurt.
---
Magus isn't evil. He just wants to kill an
enormous intergalactic tick for denying him the chance to grow up
enough to bone his sister. -SFvB |
| From: Haste2
| Posted: 10/31/2003 7:06:33 PM | Message
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I decided to compare the values of all sidekick
with their main character...(i.e. Mario with Luigi or Mega Man with
Zero) Heh, I forgot what you guys call them....
Mario - 100%
(36.95%)
Bowser - 81.11%
Yoshi - 70.83%
Donkey Kong -
66.36%
Luigi - 65.76%
Wario - 63.03%
Link - 100%
(48.39%)
Ganondorf - 69.44%
Zelda - 60.57%
Cloud Strife
- 50% (100%)
*Sephiroth - 96.22%
Aeris - 63.50%
Tidus -
100% (33.14%)
Auron - 83.89%
Yuna - 69.07%
Sonic the
Hedgehog - 100% (33.79%)
Shadow the Hedgehog - 98.19%
Knuckles
the Echidna - 75.85%
Miles "Tails" Prower - 58.48%
*Ryu -
100% (29.69%)
Ken - 70.76%
Mega Man - 100%
(37.35%)
Zero - 86.24%
Servbot - 50.25%
Crono - 100%
(36.91%)
Magus - 91.57%
Solid Snake - 100%
(34.74%)
Raiden - 34.23%
*Pac-Man - 100% (19.65%)
Ms.
Pac-Man - 32.52%
*Tom Nook - 100% (10.48%)
Mr. Resetti -
78.63%
*Felix - 100% (23.81%)
Isaac - 76.06%
*Jill
Valentine - 100% (26.49%)
Claire Redfield -
110.00%
*Alucard - 100% (26.67%)
Simon Belmont -
63.07%
*Kyo Kusanagi - 100% (14.60%)
Iori Yagami -
86.37%
(at least I think they're both from the same
game...)
PaRappa the Rapper - 100% (13.52%)
Chop Chop
Master Onion - 94.75%
*Kasumi - 100% (22.09%)
Tina
Armstrong - 61.02%
Top 10 most successful sidekicks:
(proportionally)
1. Claire Redfield*
2. Shadow the
Hedgehog
3. Sephiroth*
4. Chop Chop Master Onion
5.
Magus
6. Iori Yagami*
7. Zero
8. Auron
9. Bowser
10.
Mr. Resetti*
Top 5 Least Successful Sidekicks:
(proportionally)
1. Ms. Pac-Man
2. Raiden (affected by
extreme SFF, though)
3. Servbot
4. Miles Prower
5.
Zelda
* He/She/They probably don't exactly act as a sidekick,
since they are generally of equal importance.
---
"Ah, a
party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a
party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| From: Heroic
Knuckles | Posted: 11/1/2003 4:23:48 AM | Message
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Interesting.
---
The worst prisons to
escape from are the ones we build for ourselves.
If you
chase two rabbits, both will escape. |
| From: Slowflake
| Posted: 11/1/2003 4:28:05 AM | Message
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Claire > Jill? Wow. TJF is officially a
joke.
And I doubt Raiden could handle himself against a
semi-easy opponent. He's just THAT hated. If anything, his
percentage was boosted by the confusion on which Raiden it was
(which was obvious on the board that day). Remember, it was supposed
to top Link vs. AiAi?
---
Magus isn't evil. He just wants
to kill an enormous intergalactic tick for denying him the chance to
grow up enough to bone his sister. -SFvB |
| From: Heroic
Knuckles | Posted: 11/1/2003 5:34:41 AM | Message
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bumpin'
---
The worst prisons to escape
from are the ones we build for ourselves.
If you chase two
rabbits, both will escape. |
| From: Who
Cares? | Posted: 11/1/2003 1:39:26 PM | Message
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*Kyo Kusanagi - 100% (14.60%)
Iori Yagami
- 86.37%
(at least I think they're both from the same
game...)
Yes, they are from the King of Fighters series.
You can also add Terry Bogard since he's a big part of that series
as well. |
| From: Slowflake
| Posted: 11/1/2003 1:43:57 PM | Message
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Wow, I didn't see that one. Makes Pac-Man look
like total crap.
---
Magus to Ganondorf: N00B! YOUR MOM
HOWLED LIKE A BLACK WIND LAST NIGHT! -BigCow |
| From: Heroic
Knuckles | Posted: 11/2/2003 8:18:56 AM | Message
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bumpin'
---
My God, man. How do you live
with yourself? Your soul must be an empty, shallow shell. I truly
feel pity for you. I am sorry. ~Squid Z |
| From: Heroic
Knuckles | Posted: 11/2/2003 6:36:37 PM | Message
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bumpin'
---
My God, man. How do you live
with yourself? Your soul must be an empty, shallow shell. I truly
feel pity for you. I am sorry. -Squid Z |
| From: Enoch
Camas | Posted: 11/2/2003 10:59:02 PM | Message
Detail |
::tries to think of ways to keep topic
alive::
I suppose I'll suggest a new character, and we can
discuss how they might do in the contest! First up:
Jak.
I'm not exactly sure how popular he is.
---
"Run! Run!
Or you'll be well done!" - Kefka
"Don't tease the octopus, kids!"
- Ultros |
| From: Shake
| Posted: 11/3/2003 1:11:12 AM | Message
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Every year had a surprise. The first was
Megaman/Crono, the second was the KHF.
I cannot imagine
everything will stay the same. There has to be a surprise next
year.
This year the matches also showed us 90 % of the
time the relative strength of a character stays pretty much
untouched, the only real change in that came from people who had a
cameo in Kingdom Hearts.
Now, if everything stays the same,
and AH mania runs wild next year Cloud is going to take it again.
Somehow, I can't imagine that happening. There is a chance champion
anti-votes will make people favor Sephiroth over Cloud, or the hate
for the all FFVII final could give Link a chance to regain the
title.
What I'm really asking is: Is there a chance for a
character outside the ELEET 3(spelling intended ^_^) to
significantly improve?
Megaman? No, his popularity is
pretty much fixed, being from a series that's been with us from the
NES. Megaman won't get anything like KHF anytime
soon.
Samus? A definite maybe. Now Metroid Prime and
Fusion are behind us, the appreciation for these games may have been
delayed from 2K3 to 2K4. I think we will see a stronger Samus in the
next contest, although this is just a gut-feeling and I highly doubt
she could make the jump to the ELEET three.
Snake?
Nope, don't think so. He has a new game coming but I always felt it
takes awhile for that to affect the polls. Although if there is a
high level of bad-assness for Snake and the mania for it is in
mid-contest, he could improve. But somehow, I don't believe
it.
Mario? Nahh, see Megaman.
Crono? I
think (hope?) once (if?)Crono finally defeats Mario, there could be
a surge of support for the red-head. This could be wishfull thinking
on my part, but Square is one of the most dominant forces in the
polls. What if people were forced to choose between Cloud and Crono,
or Sephiroth for that matter?
I think there could be a
SFF right there, although we have seen little evidence of SFF and it
could in actuality be as non-existant as TJF. ^_~
Sonic?
Sigh. The one I don't understand. Knuckles and Shadow were
surprisingly strong. Sonic seemed unaffected at best, maybe even a
little weaker. Unless Sega makes another console featuring Sonic in
the first game, nop, not gonna happen.
What do you guys
think?
---
OH MAH GAWD,WHAT THE HELL IS ESPN DOING WITH
THAT DAMN CHAIR! Popo's up! Dammit,not like this! Popo pins Shake!
Its a damn screwjob, by gawd! |
| From: Who
Cares? | Posted: 11/3/2003 10:50:06 AM | Message
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Sonic? Sigh. The one I don't understand.
Knuckles and Shadow were surprisingly strong. Sonic seemed
unaffected at best, maybe even a little weaker. Unless Sega makes
another console featuring Sonic in the first game, nop, not gonna
happen.
I almost agree with this, however do not forget
about Sonic Heroes, which will be on all of the major consoles
pretty soon. If the game is well received I think it can give him a
little boost (prehaps back to his 2002 status) as opposed to having
another game on a failed system. (DC) |
| From: StopPokingMe
| Posted: 11/3/2003 7:23:11 PM | Message
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I suppose I'll suggest a new character, and
we can discuss how they might do in the contest! First
up:
Jak.
My guess would be Jak=Ratchet to about
the 15th decimal place. Both are rising PS2-exclusive platformer
stars. Both are about to get sequels. Both, I believe, have similar
personalities such as they are. I don't think I've ever seen
either's game mentioned without the other's in the same sentence.
Maybe Jak would do a tiny bit better as he looks somewhat
less like a plushie.
There has to be a surprise next
year.
I REALLY hope so...
Is there a chance for
a character outside the ELEET 3(spelling intended ^_^) to
significantly improve?
Mega Man: Nope. He's
established, he's pretty much a household name. His best chance for
improvement: A truly excellent multiplatform Mega Man RPG, maybe?
*rolls eyes*
Samus: Nope. Metroids Prime and Fusion
did what they could for her, pushing her up from Sonic-level to
Mario-level. Damn impressive for the third-most important rep of her
company, but that's all she is. Her best chance for improvement:
Uhhh... Gamecubes drop to $50.00 and Metroid Prime becomes a
"Greatest Hit"?
Snake: Yes, if anyone. He doesn't have
the exposure Sonic does, and his Gamecube debut is scheduled for a
Feb. or Mar. release (I think). Throw in MGS3, although Snake won't
star in it, just for good measure. Next year's chic pick: Snake
(narrowly!) over Mario, but not even close to
Link.
Mario: Never happen. Everyone has already formed
their opinion on Mario, and a 128906th game starring him won't
change it, no matter what it is. He should be unchanged for the next
hundred years or so.
Crono: He could, but he won't. If
there is a third installment in the Chrono series and if Crono
appears in it, watch out. That's two huge ifs, though. If nothing
happens, I'm pretty sure two years of losing to Mario will become 3,
4, 5, etc., as even his most devout fans begin to lose faith (every
little bracket-vote counts). His best chance for improvement:
SquareEnix surprises us by releasing ultra hush-hush secret project
Chrono Something-or-other, starring Crono, by
April.
Sonic: Second most likely. Who Cares? made the
relevant point. Not quite as likely as Snake, because he's much more
established beforehand. Like Mario, people who don't even know him
already know what they think of him. PS2 and Xbox debuts are as much
as he could ever hope for. Sonic gets revenge on Samus in
2004.
Magus and Ganondorf: As goes Crono, so goes
Magus, unless a new game appears with one but not the other.
Ganondorf will never pull even with Link, and I'm not quite sure how
you make a name for yourself as a villain anyway, now that it's kind
of "all been done." Even if he does something to make himself
famous, Sephiroth (and Kefka, but he seems not to count) was there
ahead of him.
---
The GameFAQs Summer Contest 2003
Fanfiction Project:
http://members.aol.com/gcbfiles/ffproj.html |
| From: Heroic
Knuckles | Posted: 11/4/2003 3:52:26 PM | Message
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bumpin'
---
My God man. How do you live
with yourself? Your soul must be an empty, shallow shell. I truly
feel pity for you. I am sorry. ~Squid Z |
| From: Cromage
| Posted: 11/4/2003 4:11:57 PM | Message
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That's Chrono Break, SPM. Although Square hasn't
done much in the open besides register the name.... Bah. It might
not be in time for SC2k4....Magus will just have to hold on until
then. ^_^
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| From: Slowflake
| Posted: 11/4/2003 4:36:16 PM | Message
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Maybe Snake can indeed be the surprise, unless
the Gamecube version of whatever MGS game it is bombs. I myself
predict a flop for Sonic Heroes on PS2 and X-Box... however, almost
everyone knows Sonic, but not everyone knows Snake. What will the
extent of that factor be? It can hardly harm him, that's for sure.
Can he win the weak-1-seed division if he winds up in
it?
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| From: Shaken
Not Stirred | Posted: 11/5/2003 6:07:00 AM | Message
Detail |
I don't think Snake will win a division next
year. I'd vote for him, but the weakest 1-seed will be
Mario.
I just can't picture Snake beating Mario. But 9 months
is a long time. When does the next contest start, anyway?
Has it even been confirmed there will be one next
year?
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| From: Slowflake
| Posted: 11/5/2003 9:23:47 AM | Message
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This year it was confirmed around mid-May, so
I'd expect the same next year.
As for if there will be one, I
think so. Next year's contest is far, far more unpredictable in
terms of the championship than this year (yet Cloud still
fire-ass-slammed us all).
And the question wasn't if Snake
would be a 1-seed, but if he could beat anyone but Link, Cloud and
Sephiroth (basically putting him 4th overall).
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| From: supersonicfan
| Posted: 11/5/2003 9:53:28 AM | Message
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When it comes to the influence of Sonic Heroes,
I could see it making an impact for Sonic, but feel it could effect
Tails and Knuckles a lot more. Tails being on the main team of SH,
and the whole game being the best mode of play of the Adventure
series, I could see Tails winning a Round 1 match. As for Knuckles,
I could see him in the Sweet 16 as long as Snake isn`t his obstacle
this time. Knuckles vs Ganondorf would be interesting,
though...
As for who Sonic could defeat, I would say the
following:
Link, Cloud, or Sephy: Not a chance.
Crono:
It`s possible. Unless Chrono Break turns into a super-popular game
starring Crono, I see it possible that his popularity could
decrease.
Samus: I can safely guarantee that there is a high
chance Sonic will beat Samus if they face off next year. The popular
opinion is that Samus cheated in Samus/Sonic of SC2002, and the SH
boost, no matter how small, will give him the win.
Mario: Don`t
think so, but if Mario beat Crono again, and this match was soon
after, Square revenge voters mgiht pull off a miracle.
Megaman:
Blue Blur vs Blue Bomber. I don`t have a prediction here, but
putting Megaman a #1 seed and Sonic a #2 in the same div could give
us a good div final.
While I`m at it, my pic for the #1 and
#2 seeds:
North - #1 Link, #2 Snake (If Link gets a great div
final percentage, it would help him against:
East - #1 Cloud, #2
Sephiroth (I know Sephiroth deserves the 1 seed, but I want this
matchup out of the way. Aeris should also be in this division, so
people won`t complain about too much FF7 representation in the Final
4)
South - #1 Megaman, #2 Sonic (Megaman deserves the 1 seed more
than Snake does, and a Battle of The Blue would be great)
West -
#1 Mario, #2 Samus (This makes the South div.finals and the
South/West match very unpredictable and a lot of
fun)
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| From: Enoch
Camas | Posted: 11/5/2003 3:41:25 PM | Message
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If Snake's new games are as big as, say, Metroid
Prime and Wind Waker, then I think he can improve and possibly
defeat the weak 1 seed.
Sonic, on the other hand, I seriously
doubt. Just like with Mario, I can't imagine Sonic's popularity
rising or dropping much. He can't beat the top 7, and I'm not even
so sure about Ganondorf and Magus. If Sonic Heroes does well enough,
he should establish himself as slightly ahead of Ganon and
Magus.
About another Samus vs. Sonic: I can't speak for the
board, but last year I wasn't expecting Samus to get as far as she
did, and I'm a big Samus fan. IMO, she was a bit of an underdog,
with Sonic being the 1 seed and all. Like Crono, keeping it close(In
this case, winning) against Sonic solidified her as a top contender
and I feel she would win easier if they met again.
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| From: Slowflake
| Posted: 11/5/2003 3:52:42 PM | Message
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True dat. She definitely seems to be second-tier
now, unlike Sonic.
Mark my words: unless Sonic Heroes sells
OK on PS2 and X-Box, Sonic will stay where he is. Same reason as
Mario: a 130879th game won't make as much of an impact, nowhere near
a second game, if you want to call KH that for Cloud and
Sephiroth.
Speaking of KH... it seems the doubt in Sonic
beating Magus or Ganondorf is increasing. But what about TIDUS,
who's up there with these two and who got beaten by Sonic 60-40 in
2002?
In retrospect, rounds 2 and 3 gave us enough clues that
Cloud and Sephiroth would be major threats this year, yet we only
started taking them seriously at Cloud vs. Sonic. Probably because
we put these performances on eventual non-factors.
Speaking
of non-factors, I always dismissed the desire for a new champion as
the reason why Link would lose, and eventually lost, or the "people
don't want a rematch" thing (for Snake/Knuckles, say). I dismissed
it, unless in a very close match where no clutch would get in the
way (see Mario vs. Crono II).
QUESTION OF THE DAY:
Looking at the above statement, do you think Cloud vs. Sephiroth was
close enough for an eventual rematch to go Sephiroth's
way?
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| From: Heroic
Tails | Posted: 11/5/2003 4:16:39 PM | Message
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I wish I had the courage and time to read all of
this topic... As it is, I only read the 4th and last page. But I
sure will read the first 3 pages this week-end.
Now, my
little thoughts on Team Sonic. Sorry if this has already been
brought up before.
Sonic : his popularity decreased from last
year. So it is clearly not set in stone. Being very well-known,
though, it can only change more slowly than other more recent
characters. However, if Sonic Heroes ends up being a hit, then he
could compete with any of the elite except the top 3 of
course.
Tails : well, the weak-link. But going back to
classic Tails gameplay after a journey on mecha territory can only
do him much good. Expect his popularity to go up too if Sonic Heroes
does well, and probably even more than Sonic (being that he was
handicapped by the Adventure games, both because of voice and
gameplay issues - the voice most likely will be the same though).
Unless he faces an unfairly strong first round opponent, he should
go to second round. But no farther.
Knuckles : nothing very
interesting or special to say about him. He should be equal to
himself, and like the others, a little better depending on Sonic
Heroes. He'll win the first round, and if bracket-lucky maybe the
second one.
Shadow : now that's more interesting. A one-time
character that returns. He did very well for his first appearance,
which is quite understandable, because he is just like Sonic, except
cooler. If he becomes a main character of the series, who knows how
high his popularity might get ? Problem is, there won't be two spots
in the elite for two Sonic characters, especially when one is a
clone of the other, at least not for a while. Because of this,
Shadow won't be able to go much farther than the Sweet 16. But then
again, Scorpion made it to Division Final last year, so who knows
what can happen...
Dr. Eggman : well, the villain of the
series. He might enter next year, and is the most likely of other
Sonic characters to do so. His popularity is probably below Tails,
which is enough said.
Well, that's it for my little Sonic
analysis... |
| From: Shake
| Posted: 11/5/2003 4:36:13 PM | Message
Detail |
An interesting question to add: What could KH do
for Magus and Crono?
I seriously doubt Crono and Magus are
starring in the new KH2, but if they would be, and Magus gets ANY
kind of prominent role, I feel they could definatly sky-rocket. To
the point of joining Mario, even.
It would take some time to
sink in, but if KH open a can of voters NEW to a mainstream game
like FF VII, imagine what it could do for CT, which sold less and is
more unknown to newer gamers?
I believe either Square will
reserve them for Chrono Break (Since it guaranteed to sell if its
stars Crono and Magus, they will make it at some point) or they are
bent on only using Final Fantasy people.
If anyone has more
information/knowledge about the likelyhood of a Magus/Crono in KH2,
lemme know.
^_~
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| From: SSJ3
Popo | Posted: 11/5/2003 4:54:20 PM | Message
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I would like to know what exactly it will take
for Mario to become one of the most popular characters again. Well,
I guess he still is, but he is not close to Cloud, Sephy or Link.
I'm a pretty big Mario fan considering the NES was my first system
(I'm not a fanboy though, I hate that term... and I like Square
games equally), but I know that his popularity has diminished due to
sub-standard games. Mario Sunshine was entertaining, but it wasn't a
game that made me think "Wow, that was great."
That was the
weird thing about the Gamecube. Every new Nintendo system before
that had a Mario game come out with the system and it was a sign of
what the system would be about. Super Mario Bros. for NES was a
great game compared to what was out on other systems at the time
like Atari. It also gave levels above ground, underground and in the
water.
Super Mario World was neat because 1) the improved
graphics, 2) Yoshi was a great new character to add to the
environment, 3) the new abilities that came with items such as the
cape or the P-balloon, and 4) the environment itself was changed,
complete with hidden paths to take on the overview map to multiple
paths to take in some of the levels.
Mario 64 added the 3-D
aspect to the world of Mario. I liked the castle concept a lot.
Also, for someone who was always supposed to be a jumping master,
this game did wonders with the numerous new jumps available to
Mario.
Mario Sunshine wasn't even the first game out with
Gamecube. It was a fun game, but not on the same level as the other
three. I thought it felt recycled... the Shines were a lot like the
stars in Mario 64. While the FLUDD was an interesting concept, it
didn't fit with the overall development of Mario and his
games.
So I'm left wondering if Mario can ever regain his
status as the king of video games. Of course there is a chance. One
great game could change everything. Still, it will take one hell of
a game to put him back up there.
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| From: Heroic
Tails | Posted: 11/5/2003 5:01:37 PM | Message
Detail |
| Does anybody have a link on kawaiifan's and Who
Cares ? original discussion about the bye system ? I'd like to read
more about it... |
| From: red
sox 777 | Posted: 11/5/2003 5:28:37 PM | Message
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Can anyone outside the Elite 3 drastically
improve?
Mega Man: No. He's been around for a long time, and
he's established, but a new game at this point just wouldn't help.
Samus: I think she could improve, but not enough to
challenge the Elite 3. She's had her game in Metroid Prime, and I
think another game could help her, but she is kind of different from
the rest of the Nintendo characters and may have a slightly
different fanbase. Due to this, I think she will never be able to
tap into the full Nintendo fanbase, as Link and Mario can
do.
Snake: I don't think he can improve very much. His new
game might help, but he isn't a Nintendo or Square character, and my
gut feeling is against him.
Mario: Like Megaman, he has been
around since the NES days, and a new game will not significantly
help him, though I think recovering from the ill-received Super
Mario Sunshine could aid him a few votes. Remember, he is still the
only character to beat Cloud, he has lost only once, and Cloud has
never beaten him!
Crono: If he is in Chrono Break or Kingdom
Hearts 2, I feel he could be boosted a lot. Until then, however, it
looks like it is his fate to lose to Mario every year in
excruciating contests won by Mario at the last minute. My surprise
pick for next year is Crono over Cloud. I think the combination of
Nintendo fans with Square fans that prefer Crono might just give him
the victory. Well, I was right this year with my surprise pick.
(Cloud over Link)
Sonic: Like Mario, he is well established,
and I do not expect him to change much in popularity.
Magus:
See Comments for Crono, except I think he's weaker.
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| From: StopPokingMe
| Posted: 11/5/2003 9:52:08 PM | Message
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Whoa, lots to cover.
I'd like to see
those divisions, supersonicfan, although the final would be a
snoozer.
unless Sonic Heroes sells OK on PS2 and X-Box,
Sonic will stay where he is.
Well, yeah. Don't Sonic
games tend to sell OK regardless of the reviews,
though?
But what about TIDUS [over Sonic], who's up there
with these two and who got beaten by Sonic 60-40 in
2002?
Tidus over Sonic is a stretch. I think even
Ganondorf over Sonic is a stretch. Since he lost before, Tidus will
have the bracket vote largely against him. I think that pretty much
erases his chances for a slim victory, which is all he could hope
for. But if he cameos again in KH2, and importantly this time, all
bets are off...
do you think Cloud vs. Sephiroth was close
enough for an eventual rematch to go Sephiroth's
way?
Yes, but not for the reason stated. If it weren't
for KH, Seph would have beaten Cloud. FF7 (wherein, apparently,
Seph>Cloud) has been proven to have lasting popularity. If KH
(wherein Cloud>Seph) doesn't, and in a year its influence is
fading just slightly, Sephiroth wins the rematch.
Sonic :
his popularity decreased from last year.
This conclusion
never really sat well with me. Why would that happen, after all?
It's much easier for me to believe that the popularity of Samus and
Link, through whose performance this judgement was made, rose (MP
and WW) while Sonic remained constant (and the KHF was even stronger
than assumed). Unfortunately, that means Mario also had to rise--and
I can't think of any reason why he would--unless there was
huge SFF in Mario-Link.
there won't be two spots in
the elite for two Sonic characters
You wouldn't think
there would be spots in the elite for two Zelda characters or two CT
characters either, but there they are. I still think Shadow is all
smoke and mirrors though. Let's see if he can grab 45% against
Crono.
Dr. Eggman
I've been wondering whether
he was unjustly snubbed. Probably not, because the rest of the Sonic
cast seems to be very dependent on their looks (Sonic and Shadow
strong, Knux somewhat less, Tails unlucky, yes, but somewhat weak as
well).
What could KH do for Magus and
Crono?
Wonders. Crono would be #4 for sure, maybe able to
threaten the big three.
If anyone has more
information/knowledge about the likelyhood of a Magus/Crono in KH2,
lemme know.
This looks like a job for the KH board. I
know the original KH cameos were chosen only from FF7,8,10 because
only Nomura, who designed those characters, helped with KH. The rest
of the FF series' character designs belong to Amano. Don't know who
CT characters' designs are by, but if it's not Nomura, I wouldn't
expect them to appear.
I would like to know what exactly
it will take for Mario to become one of the most popular characters
again.
Hard as this is for me to say, I don't think it
can be done. There's no new frontier for him to explore--he's
appeared in just about every genre of games on every generation of
consoles. Everyone knows Mario. And that means they've all decided
whether he gets their vote or not.
Does anybody have a
link on kawaiifan's and Who Cares ? original discussion about the
bye system ?
Check early on in the topic for a post by
Yesmar.
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| From: Heroic
Tails | Posted: 11/6/2003 2:10:36 AM | Message
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Well, yeah. Don't Sonic games tend to sell OK
regardless of the reviews, though?
Thing is, most of the
Sonic fanbase has gotten used to buy Sonic games on Nintendo system
now. That's why Sonic Heroes will do much better on GC than PS2 and
XBox. A clue that this is true are gamefaqs' Sonic Heroes boards.
The most active is, by far, the one for the Gamecube
version.
This conclusion never really sat well with me.
Why would that happen, after all? It's much easier for me to believe
that the popularity of Samus and Link, through whose performance
this judgement was made, rose (MP and WW) while Sonic remained
constant (and the KHF was even stronger than assumed).
Unfortunately, that means Mario also had to rise--and I can't think
of any reason why he would--unless there was huge SFF in
Mario-Link.
Well, I still think Sonic decreased since
last year. For the main reason that there hasn't been any new Sonic
games since. Sonic Advance 2 doesn't count imo, because first it is
on gameboy, and also because many people didn't like
it.
You wouldn't think there would be spots in the elite
for two Zelda characters or two CT characters either, but there they
are. I still think Shadow is all smoke and mirrors though. Let's see
if he can grab 45% against Crono.
Well, I said this in
regard to Sonic's overall popularity - Sonic struggles to remain in
the elite, so Shadow will struggle even more. However, I think he
might surprise people again next year, especially if he's not
expected to do as well.
*** spoilers for Shadow
***
Like I said, Shadow is the same as Sonic, but
cooler, with an interesting storyline (well, compared to other Sonic
character's storyline, it is interesting), and still mysterious. He
doesn't remember his past either, or is confused about it. This kind
of character is very popular (look at Cloud). Finally he dies at the
end of SA2. All of this gives him depth (whether this depth is real
or just a gimmick is not the question here), which is something
truly missing in the Sonic universe.
*** end spoilers
for Shadow ***
Aslo, imo, it is possible to draw the same sort of
conclusions as the Crono/Magus case. Basically, who would vote Sonic
and not Shadow ?
- casual gamers essentially, but they don't
count on gamefaqs.
- people who didn't play SA2 (or SA2B). That
may be quite a lot of people. But next year, you'll have to narrow
it down to people who didn't play Sonic Heroes either.
- people
who vote for Sonic as SEGA's icon. But how many Sega's fanboys are
there, that are not also Sonic fans ?
- people who like Sonic a
lot more than Shadow. But like I said in the spoilers, this is
unlikely.
All of this makes Shadow's popularity under Sonic,
but not by much imo.
I've been wondering whether he was
unjustly snubbed. Probably not, because the rest of the Sonic cast
seems to be very dependent on their looks (Sonic and Shadow strong,
Knux somewhat less, Tails unlucky, yes, but somewhat weak as
well).
Good point about the looks. That may explain also
why Sonic is strong against weak characters (against a nobody,
people will vote for the coolest looking) and weaker against strong
characters (when you know both characters well, and strongly like or
dislike one of them, you won't care about the looks).
Check early on in the topic for a post by
Yesmar.
Thanks ! I kinda skipped his post... |
| From: Shake
| Posted: 11/6/2003 6:48:16 AM | Message
Detail |
*** spoilers for Shadow ***
Like I
said, Shadow is the same as Sonic, but cooler, with an interesting
storyline (well, compared to other Sonic character's storyline, it
is interesting), and still mysterious. He doesn't remember his past
either, or is confused about it. This kind of character is very
popular (look at Cloud). Finally he dies at the end of SA2. All of
this gives him depth (whether this depth is real or just a gimmick
is not the question here), which is something truly missing in the
Sonic universe.
Ouch. I desperately want Slowflake
to comment on this. I think this could make for an interesting
discussion. XD
^_^
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Popo pins Shake! Its a damn screwjob, by gawd! |
| From: Slowflake
| Posted: 11/6/2003 11:59:42 AM | Message
Detail |
Shadow is the same as Sonic, but
cooler
UNBELIEVER!
*smashes j00 with the Piko Piko
Hammer*
Okay, now that the important thing's out of the
way...
*SONIC HEROES SPOILERS*
As you might know,
Shadow comes back in this game. Apparently Rouge finds him in a
capsule in one of Eggman's bases. However, HOW he survived remains
unknown. I'd bet that if Sonic Team (not Team Sonic, not the same
thing!) gives us some half-assed explanation, then he might go down
a little... same for Aeris in Advent Children. It's part of both
characters' myth.
I read somewhere that Shadow never really
lived aboard the ARK with Maria and Gerald, that it was someone
else's memory. That too remains unknown.
Looking at it from
this angle, SA2 and FF7 share a lot in common... and both have
upcoming sequels that could give answers that, no matter what they
are, will not be liked by the majority.
*END
SPOILERS*
Now for the stats department.
Between 23 and
24% first came to this site within the last two years, and I'd bet
much less since the first Character Battle. I'll be generous and say
15%. However, the polls got in average around 50% more votes than
last year, and only ONE match did 2002 get more votes than 2003, the
North final (Mario/Cloud vs. Link/Samus). Wassupwitdat? Probably the
contest didn't give the increase of traffic we thought it
did...
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| From: SSJ3
Popo | Posted: 11/6/2003 12:12:03 PM | Message
Detail |
I still think Mario can rise up again. There was
a very large gap between Mario 64 and Mario Sunshine. Here is
a list of some big games that came out in between the two Mario
releases... games that featured or are connected to the elite
3:
- Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
- Legend of Zelda:
Majora's Mask
- Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker
- Final Fantasy
VII
- Final Fantasy VIII
- Final Fantasy IX
- Final Fantasy
X
- Kingdom Hearts
I didn't even realize until I just
searched for their release dates right now that the entire
mainstream Final Fantasy craze had taken place between Mario
games!!! Shame on Nintendo for releasing numerous Mario
spin-offs instead of actually releasing a real Mario game during
what was basically a 5-year gap. Mario Sunshine received a lot of
bad reviews from fans, too, meaning that it as been roughly 6 years
without a good Mario game.
Meanwhile, the games above
received a lot of praise... I know that some of them were disliked
(personally, I hated Majora's Mask and FFVIII), but for the most
part, they were liked. Due to the big gap between good games, I feel
that a good Mario game can boost his popularity tremendously again.
Probably not enough to win a Summer Contest, but perhaps enough to
transform the Elite 3 into the Elite 4. I hope so, because if he
does, that would mean I'd have a great Mario game to
play.
*Crosses fingers for Super Mario 128*
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