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From: Slowflake | Posted: 10/10/2003 7:40:59 PM | Message Detail
Okay, so I removed the "2003" part, since we started talking about 2004 long ago, and "Stats", since they were pretty much all brought to the table anyway.

But other than that, it's the official (or meant to be) sequel to Solarshadow's successful 2003 trilogy! Made necessary by you, the survivors of the board, the real hardcore contest fans.

If Solar was here, he'd thank every single contributor... but since he isn't, I'll do it myself. To be fair to everybody, I won't name anyone... you know who you are.

The usual links:

This year's stats website: http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com
Last year's stats website: http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com
Last year's stats topic: http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html
This year's first stats topic: http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html
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From: Slowflake | Posted: 10/10/2003 7:45:52 PM | Message Detail
As far as I'm concerned, I'll continue where I left off.

Earlier today, I posted a pseudo-bracket for next year's contest. It was hard, believe me... so many low-seeders that look like they got the shaft, and Ness getting a 16-seed tells you something about the overall strength of the lineup. That and I couldn't resist setting up some interesting matches (mostly in the East and West). ;)

Feel free to post your observations and comments... as for me, it'll wait 'til tomorrow.

NORTH DIVISION
/ (1) Cloud Strife
\ (16) Ness
/ (8) Kirby
\ (9) Jill Valentine
/ (5) Bowser
\ (12) KOS-MOS
/ (4) Shadow the Hedgehog
\ (13) Kefka Palazzo
/ (6) Auron
\ (11) Claire Redfield
/ (3) Ganondorf Dragmire
\ (14) Vyse
/ (7) Donkey Kong
\ (10) Morrigan Aensland
/ (2) Megaman
\ (15) Nightmare

EAST DIVISION
/ (1) Mario Mario
\ (16) CATS
/ (8) Geno
\ (9) Master Chief
/ (5) Squall Leonhart
\ (12) Sam Fisher
/ (4) Tidus
\ (13) Ken Masters
/ (6) Knuckles the Echidna
\ (11) Viewtiful Joe
/ (3) Zero
\ (14) Kasumi
/ (7) Alucard
\ (10) Wario
/ (2) Crono
\ (15) Pikachu

SOUTH DIVISION
/ (1) Link
\ (16) Crash Bandicoot
/ (8) Yuna
\ (9) Lara Croft
/ (5) Frog
\ (12) Captain Falcon
/ (4) Ryu
\ (13) Bomberman
/ (6) Yoshi
\ (11) Pac-Man
/ (3) Janus "Magus" Zeal
\ (14) Ghaleon
/ (7) Luigi Mario
\ (10) Aya Brea
/ (2) Solid Snake
\ (15) Ridley

WEST DIVISION
/ (1) Sephiroth
\ (16) Gordon Freeman
/ (8) Sora
\ (9) Miles "Tails" Prower
/ (5) Zelda
\ (12) Fox McCloud
/ (4) Aeris Gainsborough
\ (13) Duke Nukem
/ (6) Tommy Vercetti
\ (11) Ramza Beoulve
/ (3) Sonic the Hedgehog
\ (14) Mewtwo
/ (7) Dante
\ (10) Scorpion
/ (2) Samus Aran
\ (15) Sarah Kerrigan
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From: GunMage | Posted: 10/10/2003 7:57:54 PM | Message Detail
Well I guess I'll repost my super brief synopsis of Slowflake's bracket.

North Division
This is Cloud's division to lose. There's pretty much no one here who can challenge him, not even Mega Man I'm afraid. My eyes nearly popped out seeing that 8-9 match, a classic throwback to SC2K2, which would finally answer the question whether Kirby is good enough now to beat Jill Valentine.

Toughest 1st round match to call: (8) Kirby vs. (9) Jill
Most anticipated 2nd round match: (6) Auron vs. (3) Ganondorf

East Division
Mario may be number one, but look who's number two! That's right, the very likely division final would be Mario vs. Crono III, and it doesn't look like anyone could stop this rematch from happening. Tidus is a surprise at number four, and he would take on Squall in a close second round battle between FF veterans.

Toughest 1st round match to call: (8) Geno vs. (9) Master Chief
Most anticipated 2nd round match: (5) Squall vs. (4) Tidus

South Division
Link should be on top of this division, but Magus is lurking as a three seed who could potentially break the "three seed curse" and have a rematch with Link in the division final. Frog makes a strong first-time appearance at number 5. Can he continue Chrono Trigger's trend of having moderately strong contenders?

Toughest 1st round match to call: (7) Luigi vs. (10) Aya
Most anticipated 2nd round match: (5) Frog vs. (4) Ryu

West Division
Ouch! Sephiroth might be the one seed, but what I saw next was a pleasant surprise. How's this for the final four-pack of the West? Sephiroth vs. Aeris and Sonic vs. Samus. Can you say grudge matches? That would give bracketmakers nightmares for days.

Toughest 1st round match to call: (6) Vercetti vs. (11) Ramza
Most anticipated 2nd round match: (5) Zelda vs. (4) Aeris

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From: MyWorldIsSquare | Posted: 10/10/2003 8:11:44 PM | Message Detail

Great job overall Slowflake, but I disagree with some things:

1: Ness may have not done very well, but he does not deserve to be a 16 seed. A 15 or 14 seed better suits.

2: KOS-MOS as a #12 seed? Remember, she won her first match.

3: As a Bowser fan, I don't like the idea of Bowser facing Cloud. Again. Come on, give Bowser a different opponent (though his seeding is about right).

4: Shadow as a #4 seed? More popular than Bowser? Just because he did decently against Mario? Practically everyone does decently against Mario, even some unmemorable characters. Reconsider this, I'd say a 5 or 6 seed is more warranted.

5: I'd have Squall as better than a 5 seed, but that's just because he proved to do well against the likes of Luigi and even Samus (to an extent). I think Squall and Tidus' seeds should be reversed in the East; Squall is more popular than Tidus. (And unlike Tidus, Squall didn't lose his first match)

6: Your South division is perfect. Nice job.

7: Sora against Tails? Ehhh. Tails probably deserves an 8 or 9 seed, but I'm iffy about Sora...it really depends on Kingdom Hearts II...but in the end, I think Fox McCloud deserves an 8 or 9 seed more than Sora does.

8: I'd like to see a new FF character take Yuna's place. Like Rikku, who is more popular (and rightfully so), than Yuna, or Vivi, who is more popular than either Yuna or Rikku and would represent a new FF game (FF9). Consider an old-school choice like Terra to replace Ramza, too. Terra is more popular than Ramza, and a Tommy VS Terra match would be enticing.

Aside from those minor qualms, nice job. This is *easily* the division setup I most agree with, and most of my problems are only in the North division.

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Boot and Immune Contest Winner - 10/6/03
From: MyWorldIsSquare | Posted: 10/10/2003 8:14:40 PM | Message Detail

One more thing: Consider giving Sephiroth the #2 seed in Cloud's division. I know a Cloud VS Mega Man match would be fun, but I'd like to see Cloud VS Sephy there for a variety of reasons...

1: One *game* does not deserve two characters as number 1 seeds. Remember, I am a Final Fantasy VII *fanboy* to the extreme, and I still think that Sephy and Cloud doesn't deserve #1 seeds.

2: A Sephy VS Cloud match is far more enticing than Sephy VS Aeris. Sephy would decimate Aeris fairly easily.

3: This way, we prevent a Sephy VS Cloud final from happening again, and basically give FF7 an automatic win in a single division. Whereas that final is *very* possible in your setup, and I wouldn't like that.

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Boot and Immune Contest Winner - 10/6/03
From: Enoch Camas | Posted: 10/10/2003 8:15:27 PM | Message Detail
That's actually a pretty good bracket, IMO. I'd only make a few changes, mainly replacements.

I'd replace Yuna with Rikku(I'm a bit biased, though :P), take out Gordon Freeman and put Vivi in somewhere(again, biased). Also, replace Ken with Chun-Li, and Scorpion with Sub-Zero. Fresh faces would do better, methinks.

Favorite divisions are North and West. Great first round matches, IMO, according to the bracket: Kirby/Jill(with Kirby getting revenge), DK/Morrigan, and Sora/Tails(with Tails winning!).
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From: Darkbaconslayer | Posted: 10/10/2003 8:22:36 PM | Message Detail
predictions:
(first round results)
clud
kirby
bowser
kefka
auron
ganon
DK
megaM

mario
geno
squall
tidus
knuckles
zero
alucard
crono

link
yuna
frog
ryu
pac-man
magus
luigi
snake

sephy
miles
zelda
aeris
tommy
sonic
dante
samus

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From: Darkbaconslayer | Posted: 10/10/2003 8:25:41 PM | Message Detail
predictions
(second round results)

clud
kefka
ganon
megaM

mario
squall
knuckles
crono

link
frog
magus
snake

sephy
aeris
sonic
samus
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From: Darkbaconslayer | Posted: 10/10/2003 8:28:53 PM | Message Detail
predictions
(third round results)

cloud
mega

mario
crono

link
snake

sephy
samus

predictions
(division finals results)

cloud
crono

link
sephy

predictions
(semifinals)

cloud
link

predictions
(finals)

link
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From: BeTheMan | Posted: 10/10/2003 9:02:54 PM | Message Detail
I had made up a bracket projection for the '04 Contest a while ago, but I never got around to posting it. I guess this would be the place to do it, though. Oh, and I'm well aware that there are a few characters that would seem to be pretty obviously overseeded or underseeded. I'm just trying to follow in CJayC's footsteps. :-P

(I'll probably add my projected results sooner or later.)

North Division:

______________________

#1 Cloud Strife

vs.

#16 Mr. Game & Watch

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#8 Yoshi

vs.

#9 Mewtwo

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#5 Alucard

vs.

#12 Sub-Zero

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#4 Zero

vs.

#13 Bomberman

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#6 Aeris Gainsborough

vs.

#11 Max Payne

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#3 Yuna

vs.

#14 Strider Hiryu

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#7 Knuckles the Echidna

vs.

#10 Zelda

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#2 Crono

vs.

#15 Conker

______________________

East Division:

______________________

#1 Mega Man

vs.

#16 Rush

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#8 Sora

vs.

#9 Lara Croft

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#5 Luigi

vs.

#12 Serge

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#4 Master Chief

vs.

#13 Terra

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#6 Donkey Kong

vs.

#11 Lloyd Irving

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#3 Bowser

vs.

#14 Viewtiful Joe

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#7 Tommy Vercetti

vs.

#10 Joanna Dark

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#2 Solid Snake

vs.

#15 CATS

_____________________

West Division:

_____________________

#1 Mario

vs.

#16 Frogger

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#8 Fox McCloud

vs.

#9 Auron

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#5 Ganondorf

vs.

#12 Seifer Almasy

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#4 Squall Leonhart

vs.

#13 Aya Brea

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#6 Magus

vs.

#11 KOS-MOS

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#3 Samus

vs.

#14 Marth

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#7 Dante

vs.

#10 Leon Belmont

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#2 Sonic the Hedgehog

vs.

#15 Alis

_____________________

South Division:

_____________________

#1 Link

vs.

#16 Cranky Kong

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#8 Sam Fisher

vs.

#9 Scorpion

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#5 Kirby

vs.

#12 Pac-Man

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#4 Ryu Hayabusa

vs.

#13 Fei

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#6 Zidane

vs.

#11 Shadow the Hedgehog

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#3 Ryu

vs.

#14 Marche Radiuju

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#7 Tidus

vs.

#10 Kefka

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#2 Sephiroth

vs.

#15 Captain Falcon

From: MyWorldIsSquare | Posted: 10/10/2003 9:04:22 PM | Message Detail

Yuna as a 3 seed? Oy.

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From: BeTheMan | Posted: 10/10/2003 9:06:30 PM | Message Detail
:: grins :: Aeris needs her usual soft path to the Sweet 16, right? With FFX-2 on the way, it's possible
From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 10/10/2003 9:31:22 PM | Message Detail
Geno... Square fanboys + Nintendo fanboys = unstopable monster... I htink that guy will hit the sweet 16 easily if by chance he is in next year... he'll be a lot like Magus... not many people remembered to nominate him but once they see him they'll vote like rabid guppies... or something
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From: StopPokingMe | Posted: 10/10/2003 9:45:34 PM | Message Detail
Ah good, this topic continues.

Let's talk about Slowflake's bracket.

Casting
This is a little bit of a weird thing to do, as it's difficult to figure out who will be in next year's contest and who won't based on who's popular right now. This set of characters looks like a "Fall 2K3 Contest" group, and that's about the best we can do right now.

New faces:
(15N)Nightmare: Is he really going to stay popular for a year? I would have picked Heihachi for this spot now (2 series > 1), but I don't think either belongs in next year's contest.
(8E)Geno: He seems to have a lot of silent support on the boards, but I fear the general public hasn't got a clue about him. SMRPG is played by the intersection, not the union, of Nintendo fans and Square fans. 8 is the absolute highest I'd seed him.
(11E)V. Joe: Again, can he keep it up for a year? I expect Joe might sneak in as a much-lower-than-11 seed next year. Joe>KOS-MOS? On this site?
(5S)Frog: Agreed, agreed. Should surely be here, 5 seems appropriate.
(12S)Capt. Falcon: And again, we have a flavor of the month. Double Dash will wipe all memory of the Cap'n from our dear voters' minds, making the all-time score MK 4, FZ 0. For now, CF as a 12 is fine. Next July, CF will be lucky to appear. He is a hoot though, and never count out SSBM...
(14S)Ghaleon: Who? No, I'm sorry, who the ****? Yeah, I've heard the name before. No, he/she/it does not deserve a spot ahead of Tifa, Laguna, Toad, Arthas, or the sand on Kefka's boots. The board =/= reality.
(15S)Ridley: See comment above on Kefka's boots.
(14W)Mewtwo: Borderline. Nah, scratch that. Mewtwo=Ridley=just plain not famous enough, and no character either in the game.
(15W)Kerrigan: Agreed, agreed.

On 1-Year Hiatus:
(11N)Claire: Interesting choice. Sure, why not? She did OK against Tidus, who is strong and just has bad luck come draw-time... right?
(10N)Morrigan: Yes! Nothing says "prove it!" like being brought back from the contest dead. Was she just high on Mario-hate? We shall see.
(14E)Kasumi: Might I ask why? And why not Tina, who won once, instead?
(10S)Aya: Yes! Aya=DK=Vercetti says the cold, hard math, and surely the other two deserve to be here, so...

You're Still Here?:
(16N)Ness: He had his chance. He flopped. Raiden would beat him. Cult following =/= justified, unless he's supposed to be CATS Mk. II. He's not.
(16E)CATS: Well, yeah. Of course he doesn't deserve the spot, but he's kinda become the contest mascot.
(10E)Wario: I don't believe Shadow. Or Morrigan. You wisely omitted Spyro, why does Wario get the love?
(16W)Gordon: Half-life 2 will help him, yes, but you don't seem to be taking the future into account. So why him instead of either Tina or Max?

Tifa and Laguna I'm serious about adding. Arthas and Toad would make better 14/15 seeds than a handful up there. Right now, I think Laharl(from Disgaea) would find a way to sneak in ahead of some of them too, but next year he'll be long forgotten.

We know FFX-2 is on the way, so next year I expect Rikku might be strong enough to deserve to get in. And with all of these 'cubes selling, who knows about the likes of Joe, Falcon, etc.
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From: MyWorldIsSquare | Posted: 10/10/2003 9:48:59 PM | Message Detail

Tifa and Laguna I'm serious about adding

I think Vivi would make a better addition to the series than Tifa or Laguna. FF7 already has three characters; FF8 has Squall; FF9 has *nothing*.

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From: kawaiifan | Posted: 10/10/2003 10:07:52 PM | Message Detail
I have a request, if I may ^.^;;

COULD SOMEONE PLEASE ARCHIVE THE PREVIOUS TOPIC

http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=8&topic=9706165

and quickly, before it falls to the purge? Solarshadow had saved the first two and put them on the web, but I haven't seen him post here in quite a while....

I had been going to post this request there, but it hit 500 before I could. It would be a true shame if it were to be lost forever. ;.;

I do have a few responses that I'd like to make, but I'm afraid I don't have any time to do so now ^.^;;
so I'll be posting here probably over the next few days.

From: Samberdog | Posted: 10/10/2003 10:11:33 PM | Message Detail
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From: RamzaB | Posted: 10/10/2003 10:23:01 PM | Message Detail
NORTH DIVISION
/ (1) Cloud Strife
\ (16) Ness
/ (8) Kirby
\ (9) Jill Valentine
/ (5) Bowser
\ (12) KOS-MOS
/ (4) Shadow the Hedgehog
\ (13) Kefka Palazzo
/ (6) Auron
\ (11) Claire Redfield
/ (3) Ganondorf Dragmire
\ (14) Vyse
/ (7) Donkey Kong
\ (10) Morrigan Aensland
/ (2) Megaman
\ (15) Nightmare

North Div. Comments:
Ganon lost in the second round. He should not have a higher seed than Alucard, Bowser, Aeris, etc. KOS-MOS should be higher seeded, she lost against Samus, who was in the top eight. Shadow should be lower, he just doesn't deserve a four seed. Jill probably doesn't deserve a boost in seed, but that's probably minor.

EAST DIVISION
/ (1) Mario Mario
\ (16) CATS
/ (8) Geno
\ (9) Master Chief
/ (5) Squall Leonhart
\ (12) Sam Fisher
/ (4) Tidus
\ (13) Ken Masters
/ (6) Knuckles the Echidna
\ (11) Viewtiful Joe
/ (3) Zero
\ (14) Kasumi
/ (7) Alucard
\ (10) Wario
/ (2) Crono
\ (15) Pikachu

East Div. Comments: I actually think the East and West Divs should switch places, that way there's no way we'll have a repeat final, yet Seph gets the #1 seed he deserves for coming in second in the SC2K3. You can't have Mario ranked higher than Sephiroth, it's just unfair, MWIS. Tidus ranked above Squall? That's just ridiculous. Squall should be 4 or 5, but Tidus doesn't deserve anything higher than 10. Zero is also ranked too high. I'd say sixth. Alucard should take the 5 spot, he made it to the sweet sixteen. The rest are seeded about right.

SOUTH DIVISION
/ (1) Link
\ (16) Crash Bandicoot
/ (8) Yuna
\ (9) Lara Croft
/ (5) Frog
\ (12) Captain Falcon
/ (4) Ryu
\ (13) Bomberman
/ (6) Yoshi
\ (11) Pac-Man
/ (3) Janus "Magus" Zeal
\ (14) Ghaleon
/ (7) Luigi Mario
\ (10) Aya Brea
/ (2) Solid Snake
\ (15) Ridley

South Div. Comments: Yuna should not come back, she should be replaced by Vivi from FF9. 5 is probably pushing it for Frog, as a new comer, he should be lower. Pac-Man as an 11th seed? He's just not that popular, even if he is a legend. The rest is fine.

WEST DIVISION
/ (1) Sephiroth
\ (16) Gordon Freeman
/ (8) Sora
\ (9) Miles "Tails" Prower
/ (5) Zelda
\ (12) Fox McCloud
/ (4) Aeris Gainsborough
\ (13) Duke Nukem
/ (6) Tommy Vercetti
\ (11) Ramza Beoulve
/ (3) Sonic the Hedgehog
\ (14) Mewtwo
/ (7) Dante
\ (10) Scorpion
/ (2) Samus Aran
\ (15) Sarah Kerrigan

South Div. Comments: First of all, you can't keep Gordon Freeman without keeping Max Payne. I don't like him that much, but he beat Gordon straight up. Toss Gordon, and give the sixteenth seed to Max. Remove Duke and put in somebody else. I don't care who. Other than that, I think South's good.

Interesting matches: I can see why you did some of the seeding the way you did, creating interesting matches like Ganon vs. Auron, Tidus vs. Squall, Kirby vs. Jill. Some other matchups I like are Sonic vs. Samus, although I think you ought to switch Magus and Sonic so we can see Sonic vs. Mario. Aeris vs. Zelda is fun. Overall you did a good seeding job.

New character suggestions: For new characters, I'd like to see Luca Blight and Tir McDohl from Suikoden I and II instead of Duke Nukem and Pac-Man.
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From: Who Cares? | Posted: 10/10/2003 10:27:44 PM | Message Detail
Not a bad setup at all, but I agree with Enoch about swapping Ken & Scorpion for Chun-Li & Sub Zero. Anyway, some of my observations.

NORTH
*Cloud will run the table in this division, while Mega Man may end up doing more scratching & clawing in this setup that he has in the past.
*Kirby/Jill two years later...let's see how much has changed in that time span
*How much will Xenosaga Ep 2 help KOS-MOS, will it be enough to scare Bowser?
*A great opportunity for Shadow to legitimize himself, going thru Kefka & Bowser to get to the Sweet 16.
*Interesting second rounder between Auron & Ganondorf
*Morrigan over DK could be the first real upset of this bracket. DK has never been spectacular, and Morri's one of the few fighting characters that has performed well. (Not to mention TJF :P)
*Poor, poor Nightmare :(

EAST
*Once again, Mario is hit hard starting with the second round.
*Much to the delight of the CATS Army, this will be his best performance yet.
*Squall vs Tidus would be a great second round match, but Tidus could be ripe for an upset with Ken finally going up against a manageable opponent.
*Chances for Knuckles and Zero to legitimize themselves as second tier material. Both have had strong opening rounds, but fell to Elite 9ers the following match.
*Alucard is good for the second round, but won't be making his usual trip to Sweet 16 this time around.
*Crono will run the bottom half & if Mario doesn't stumble, I think third time will be the charm.

SOUTH
*This is Link's division to lose, period.
*Unless Square fans turn themselves away from FFX-2, Lara will fall again.
*Frog/Ryu second rounder full of mystery
*Yoshi will put up decent numbers against Pac-Man, then fall hard to Magus.
*Can Magus break into the Elites and make it the Elite 10? Sweet 16 match against Snake can answer that.
*Luigi can't be considered a lock after his match against Squall. This match for Aya could be a lot like her last. (2K2 vs DK)

WEST
*If Gordon is to show his face again in the contest, that's the place he belongs. (16th seed)
*This is Tails' best chance yet, if he can't get it done now, he'll never get it done!
*Zelda/Aeris, great second rounder, and another in ever popular Nintendo vs Square caterogy.
*Vercetti/Ramza over Sonic...not likely. He won't blowout anyone, but Sonic can handle any character not in the Elite 9.
*Rematch galore: Sonic/Samus two years later. We know Prime & Fusion helped push up Samus, can Sonic Heroes push this match back to even. Sephiroth/Samus two years later, both have benefited from successful games this past year, will this match still be as close as it was?
From: StopPokingMe | Posted: 10/10/2003 10:35:18 PM | Message Detail
But assuming that we keep these characters, let's move on.

Seeding
Good. So good, in fact, that other than picking every 5 seed but Zelda over every 4 seed in the 4-5 matchups, I'd just take the seeds all the way to the final four of Cloud, Link, Seph, and Mario. The only really way off thing in the low seeds is Lara. Why does she get a 9? wouldn't 11-12 be more appropriate? You squashed Crash down to size, why not her?

Division Breakdown
North:
(8-9) The return of Kirby-Jill! Kirby proved he was for real this year, and Jill looked shaky. Let's see if that cartoon is worth as much as it seems!
(6-11) Claire is back, but she just gets to get trounced by FFX again? Blah. Put her against any of the other 6's, the match could be interesting. Yoshi would be my pick, he'll need a partner (details coming).
(7-10) An interesting opponent for Morrigan's "prove it" match. She'd make this really interesting.
(4-5) Shadow's "prove it" match! And a perfect choice of opponent. 55-45 Bowser, wanna bet?
(3-6) The SFF acid test. Auron>Tidus, if true, means Auron wins here. I think he doesn't. A fun little match.
(2-7) This hearkens back to some point I made about Tommy and DK in the old thread. Upshot: I don't think DK breaks 30%.
(1-5) Cloud-Bowser II? Snore. Anybody but each other as opponents, please. It's the least you can do for Bowser.
(1-2) A new opponent for Cloud to beat senseless. About as exciting as this match could have been.

East:
(8-9) And after this, win or lose, we'll know exactly nothing about Geno.
(1-8) And after this, lose or lose, we'll know exactly nothing about Geno.
(4-5) Yeah, I pick Squall. I don't know why, I just think he takes it. This would be one hyped match, both by haters and fans, though.
(3-6) It would be nice to see Knux-Shadow here or as a 4-5 instead.
(1-5) Mario avenges his bro?
(1-2) Snore. Dammit, how many times do we have to see this match? Mario with 50.05% at the buzzer. I want to see any and all of the following instead: Crono-Magus, Mario-Magus, Mario-MegaMan, Mario-Samus, Crono-Samus, and after Twin Snakes releases, Crono-Snake II and Mario-Snake.

South:
(6-11) So many 11 seeds who could make this match interesting (and 12's, and 10's...) and Yoshi gets a bye. The only vulnerable 6 (sorry, Yoshi) vs. the only worthless 11? Auron-Pac and Yoshi-Claire, please.
(7-10) I wanna see this one. Caffiene-free diet Nintendo vs. Square.
(4-5) An excellent question will be answered. How important are the CT characters' artwork? Not much, I say, and Frog still wins it narrowly.
(1-5) And now we see if Frog=Magus.
(2-3) An interesting match... in 2003. In 2004, Twin Snakes gives Snake an easy win.
(1-2) Just a new victim for Link. Snake+MGS:TS could make an interesting match of MM-Snake II or Snake-Samus, or... but we can't all be in the weak-1-seed division.

West:
(8-9) Elimination match. As in, I don't ever want to see the loser in this contest again.
(5-12) If Fox sucks it up here, he needs to leave until he gets a good new game.
(7-10) You'd think this would be interesting, but it won't. Scorp-Luigi and Dante-Aya might be better... nah.
(4-5) Oooh. The upset here is possible... but not likely.
(1-4) The most boring actual match possible between a 1 seed and a 4 seed. A fanfiction field day, though.
(2-3) 34 votes -> 3400 votes. Good for those who have to see it to believe it, though. Metroid Prime is an asset.
(1-2) Oh well, one of these was going to have to be a rematch.
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From: StopPokingMe | Posted: 10/10/2003 10:35:58 PM | Message Detail
Final Four:
Cloud-Mario: Cloud wins big, just like Seph did. Whoever the weak 1 seed is would suffer the same fate.
Link-Sephiroth: Link by a pretty small bit, after all they were pretty even this year and then SC2 hit the scene and $99 'cubes started flying off the shelves in time for the holidays.
Link-Cloud: This could be CvS rematch (or MvL rematch in bizarro world), having those rematches as the semifinals would ensure that couldn't happen. I'll stick to my guns. SC2 + cheap 'cubes = Link gets that percentage point or two back and wins a really close one.

And now my rambling is finally done.
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From: StopPokingMe | Posted: 10/10/2003 10:49:29 PM | Message Detail
I think Vivi would make a better addition to the series than Tifa or Laguna. FF7 already has three characters; FF8 has Squall; FF9 has *nothing*.

Good point, stick Vivi on that list too. But I'm more interested in having the 64 strongest-polling characters possible than worrying about not taking more than such-and-such a number from any one game or making sure that so-and-so is represented (be it company, game, genre, series, etc.). I'm pretty sure both Tifa and Laguna would be able to beat Vivi, thus in my opinion they are more deserving. But yes, Vivi's name got mentioned a lot and he surely should get in before Ridley and Ghaleon.
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From: Haste2 | Posted: 10/10/2003 10:53:48 PM | Message Detail
Well, darn, I was about to post in that other topic kawaiifan made and then it got locked before I could...

I guess I'll look at Slowfake's nifty proposed 2004 bracket as I hope someone comes and does it. =P I guess I'll just comment on Round 1 stuff...

North Division:
Tough matches to call...
Kirby vs. Jill Valentine - well, it's hard to call...numbers in 2002 point out that Alucard would barely beat Kirby, if not Kirby winning, so in a way, Kirby disappointed. I'lll still bet on Kirby, since it seems he's getting more popular as time goes on, and Resident Evil series has gone way downhill over the past couple of years.

Donkey Kong vs. Morrigan Aensland: Eek, this is tough to call, especially since I considered Morrigan to be about on level with Aya. But just IMAGINE how low the amount of brackets correct would be if Morrigan pulled it off. I am still surprised at how well Morrigan did last year, considering the only time I've ever HEARD of DarkStalkers was in some old Game Informer issue with a review of a PSX port of DarkStalkers 3. And I doubt her picture meant much...see Raziel vs. Strider Hiryu. (My estimations would've had Raziel winning easily because he's more known AND more "bad" factor...unless Strider's Anime appearance was what caused him to win) Well, I'd say DK with under 55%. Whoever makes it out will be done with by Mega Man.

East Division:
For this bracket, Geno and Master Chief could be considered a toss-up. However, I feel that Geno is the same issues as Ness, having vocal fans, but very few of them, and that puts Geno below Felix in popularity. I say Master Chief would take it.

South Division:
Frog vs. Captain Falcon would be very interesting, since these are both incredibly representive newbies from each "side" duking it out, but Frog should definitely win...

Luigi vs. Aya Brea would also be tough to call, since Squall really took a beating on Luigi last year. I'd pray that Luigi is not so unpopular to lose one of the smaller Square reps...come on, Luigi.

West Division:
Sora vs. Miles Prower is also a fairly close match, supposedly. Sora got 33.3% against Aeris will Miles got 35.5% against Auron. I considered Aeris slightly above Auron in the first place. Well, now we have to throw numbers out the window. I'll say Sora for the heck of it. Sonic characters fell in popularity in 2003 (the only match that doesn't agree was Sonic vs. Ken), and they'll probably fall again.

It'd also be interesting to see how Mewtwo would perform, but he's sadly screwed up to be up against Sonic.

Well, looking at a few things, there might be an "Anime Factor" in these contests...how else to explain why Strider Hiryu topped Raziel, Morrigan blew away Spyro by more than expected, and Felix nearly upset Master Chief? It also partly explains how Crono far exceeded expectations. Or perhaps it could just be that Capcom characters get lots of support no matter WHAT series they're from..

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From: kawaiifan | Posted: 10/11/2003 3:00:27 AM | Message Detail
Well, darn, I was about to post in that other topic kawaiifan made and then it got locked before I could...

Sorry ^.^;;
When I saw 'Stats & Discussion -- Summer 2003 Contest -- Mark III' had filled up ;.;
I used the search function to see whether a fourth had been created yet.
However, since I think of it as 'the stats topic', I just searched for the word 'stats'; and since this topic didn't have that word in its title, the search missed it.
So, since no 'Stats & Discussion -- Summer 2003 Contest -- Mark IV' appeared in the search results list, I hastily made one ^.^;;

Then, later, in browsing through the main list of messages, I happened upon this topic, whereupon I realised the mistake that I had made. So I locked my unneeded duplicate. Sorry for the inconvenience. ^.^;;

.

And to repeat my urgent request to ensure that it isn't overlooked....

Could someone please archive the previous topic

http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=8&topic=9706165

and quickly, before it falls to the purge? It deserves a better fate.

Thank you! ^.^;

From: Slowflake | Posted: 10/11/2003 4:23:15 AM | Message Detail
Okay, I went through all the feedback, and there are some things I'd like to clarify.

- Some of you complained about KOS-MOS getting a 12-seed. Honestly, she's on par with so many characters out there that, as I mentioned, every lower character seems to have been shafted in the seedings. And, she's won a match? MAX PAYNE WON TWO! AND TAILS NONE! Yet Tails would probably obliterate Max Payne. The win isn't important... it's against who you get it. Crash Bandicoot is cannon fodder, unless he somehow gets a 2-seed. Same problem with Ness... he looked very bad this year, justifying a 14-15 seed, but they were all taken.

- Squall beating Tidus looks awkward. I mean, Tidus is almost at Magus' level, who's so close to the Elite 9 it's frightening. I don't think 41% against Samus can justify it. But, this match would still be really close.

- Heihachi? I wouldn't dare to put him in after what happened to Kazuya. Link's popularity carried the Gamecube version to the top, while the PS2 counted on the sheer number of owners.

- I thought about putting Tifa in, but I realized that I did NOT want the absolute top 64 to duke it out. If it happened, we would have an avalanche of Square characters (including the entire cast of FF7), a good number of Nintendo characters, Snake, Sonic, Megaman, Shadow and Ryu. I like the idea of a weaker bracket that covers more ground.
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From: Who Cares? | Posted: 10/11/2003 8:41:57 AM | Message Detail
(14W)Mewtwo: Borderline. Nah, scratch that. Mewtwo=Ridley=just plain not famous enough, and no character either in the game.

Are you sure about that? Pokemon fans have been saying for the past two years that Mewtwo would be a much better rep, and is a well known Pokemon. (remember the movies & Smash Brothers Melee) At best he'll do as well as Pikachu, but certainely not worse.

(14E)Kasumi: Might I ask why? And why not Tina, who won once, instead?

But look at who Tina beat, Gordon Freeman, a guy who really shouldn't be showing his face again. Remember, both of these characters lost to Aeris. Kasumi -- 37%, Tina -- 23%! If a DOA girl showed up again in the contest, I'd definately take Kasumi over Tina.
From: Yesmar | Posted: 10/11/2003 11:41:16 AM | Message Detail
Could someone please archive the previous topic

Done, done and done.

http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page2.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page3.htm
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http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page7.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page8.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page9.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page10.htm
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From: Slowflake | Posted: 10/11/2003 12:20:49 PM | Message Detail
Some more points:

- I've seen people wonder why I gave Shadow a very high 4... think of it this way, if I ignored Mario's apparent weakness against not-so-good opponent, he'd have gotten a 3. As high as Sonic himself.

- Hehe, I swear it's just because of luck, but I have my favorite vs. my most hated in round 1. Yikes.

- Mario vs. Crono... some people don't want a third installment, some do. I belong to the latter category. Although I think Mario's 2002 win was reasonable, he had no right to win this year. Don't get me wrong, I'd likely put Mario on my bracket if this was to happen, and I'd even vote for Mario since the question is "Choose your favorite", but I'd personally like Crono to avenge his ridiculous 2003 loss.

- Samus would likely beat Sonic again, no question about that. "Will she need a clutch" is what's going to be interesting.

- Sonic, Ganondorf, Magus and Zero... if they don't break this 3-seed curse, no one ever will. And I'm not necessarily talking Elite 8 here, just performing decently.
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From: Enoch Camas | Posted: 10/11/2003 8:39:54 PM | Message Detail
I'm pretty confident that Mewtwo would do quite a bit better than Pikachu. He is well-known, although admittedly not as much as Pikachu, but what sets him apart is he has no hate base. I've never seen anyone say they dislike Mewtwo.

If you know Samus and have played a Metroid game, chances are you know Ridley. A 15 seed is fine for next year. If he does well against his opponent, we'll be able to more accurately judge whether or not he belongs in the contest.

Laguna being added in would be fine with me, but not Tifa. IMO, there should be a limit of 3 characters from one game. I think FFVII's a great game, but I don't want it's characters dominating the contest. And I don't want Tifa replacing Aeris.

Vivi is a bit of a wild card. Since FF9 has not been represented yet, we have no real idea how popular he can be. He can be on par with Aeris and Zero, or down there with Duke Nukem and Max Payne. The only way we'll know is if he enters the contest next year.
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From: Haste2 | Posted: 10/11/2003 10:29:33 PM | Message Detail
Don't worry, I'll get to your bracket soon, BeTheMan. ^_^

Round 2:
NORTH DIVISION
/ (1) Cloud Strife
\ (8) Kirby
/ (5) Bowser
\ (4) Shadow the Hedgehg -well, Shadow got 45% against Mario. Bowser got 30% against Cloud. It's gotta mean something. =p
/ (6) Auron
\ (3) Ganondorf Dragmire- close match, actually, but not like Tidus vs. G'dorf.
/ (7) Donkey Kong
\ (2) Megaman

EAST DIVISION
/ (1) Mario Mario
\ (9) Master Chief
/ (5) Squall Leonhart - I believe fans of both games will simply pick who they like better: Squall.
\ (4) Tidus
/ (6) Knuckles the Echidna
\ (3) Zero - yeah, if Zero gets that close to Sonic, Knuckles has no chance.
/ (7) Alucard
\ (2) Crono

SOUTH DIVISION
/ (1) Link
\ (8) Yuna
/ (5) Frog - yeah, call me crazy. But I think Crono > Magus > Frog! Then again, there's GOTTA be a new character making the top 16. ^_^
\ (4) Ryu
/ (6) Yoshi
\ (3) Janus "Magus" Zeal
/ (7) Luigi Mario
\ (2) Solid Snake - sad that I once thought Luigi was supposed to be at a popularity level around Snake last year...

WEST DIVISION
/ (1) Sephiroth
\ (8) Sora
/ (5) Zelda
\ (4) Aeris Gainsborough - good match, but Aeris will pull through with the KH factor.
/ (6) Tommy Vercetti
\ (3) Sonic the Hedgehog
/ (7) Dante
\ (2) Samus Aran

Round 3:

NORTH DIVISION
/ (1) Cloud Strife
\ (4) Shadow the Hedgehg
/ (3) Ganondorf Dragmire
\ (2) Megaman

EAST DIVISION
/ (1) Mario Mario - I think this battle will test the theory of Mario anti-votes pretty well. If Squall gets over 45%, then the theory would almost certainly be true.
\ (5) Squall Leonhart
/ (3) Zero
\ (2) Crono - Hm, just noticed Mario vs. Crono next round. =P

SOUTH DIVISION (sadly, no Frog vs. Magus)
/ (1) Link
\ (5) Frog
/ (3) Janus "Magus" Zeal
\ (2) Solid Snake - sorry, but I'm betting those new MGS games would give Snake a victory, but it will be sorta close...I'd expect Magus to perform like Aeris did.

WEST DIVISION
/(1) Sephiroth - One word: Ha.
\ (4) Aeris Gainsborough
/ (3) Sonic the Hedgehog
\ (2) Samus Aran - I'd love to see Sonic win this time around, though.

Round 4:

NORTH DIVISION - all 1s and 2s again. Boring.
/ (1) Cloud Strife Slowfake, WHY Mega Man in this division?!
\ (2) Megaman

EAST DIVISION
/ (1) Mario Mario
\ (2) Crono - I could see Crono beating Mario this time...from 2002 - 2003 Crono actually caught up past Mario, as Crono was ahead with 50.5%-50.8% most of the day in the 2003 match.

SOUTH DIVISION
/ (1) Link
\ (2) Solid Snake

WEST DIVISION
/ (1) Sephiroth
\ (2) Samus Aran - okay, Samus beating Sephiroth would probably be my upset special, if I were to try and be different, but...

Quarter Finals:
1) Cloud Strife vs. 2) Crono - Yeah, Crono rocks your world.
1) Link vs. 2) Samus Aran

Finals:
Crono vs. Link

I wouldn't pay attention Round 4 and on, heh.

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From: steve illumina | Posted: 10/11/2003 10:41:34 PM | Message Detail
Slowflake: nice job on your bracket, I can find little if anything to complain about. Would be quite a good tourney

I did one of these of my own on a thread awhile back, but I will repost here as soon as I find my handwritten notes on the matter!

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From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 10/11/2003 11:00:40 PM | Message Detail
Haste2, you did see MC's first round defeat this year right? I cant possibly believe that Golden Sun has gathered more of a loyal fanbase than SMRPG and that was a pretty close first round match. Geno may not have gotten the nod, but he'd certainly gather more votes... deffinately gainning both square and nintendo fanboys and x-box haters in droves.... I just cant see MC winning that.

And as far as Morrigan (for those who doubt her)... in comparison to Mario back in 2k2 she did perform much better than DK against the same character. Thats not concrete evidence for who is stronger considering the same fan-base held by DK and Mario... however it does say she isnt especially weak. In addition with any luck Sammy vs Capcom will be out around then and she'll get that extra push. If she comes back be prepared for a bit of a surprise.
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From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 10/11/2003 11:01:59 PM | Message Detail
The last part is of course assuming Morrigan is in it, which considering all thats been said I'm sure she will. They have deffinately voiced their desire to include DS characters and since she'd match up to Dizzy quite well...
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From: SemiFinal vs Belarus | Posted: 10/11/2003 11:04:20 PM | Message Detail
In addition with any luck Sammy vs Capcom will be out around then and she'll get that extra push. If she comes back be prepared for a bit of a surprise.

I swear, if Morrigan appears in one more non-Darkstalkers game, I will kill every last person who works for Capcom.
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From: Haste2 | Posted: 10/11/2003 11:06:53 PM | Message Detail
BeTheMan's bracket...

Round 1

North Division:

#1 Cloud Strife vs. #16 Mr. Game & Watch - reminds me of Sonic vs. Pitfall Harry for some reason...
#8 Yoshi vs. #9 Mewtwo - unfortunately, contrary to what Enoch says, I think Mewtwo will still have a fair share of that Pokemon hate...I've even seen people vote against Pokemon characters that weren't Pikachu just because they were Pokemon. -_- Yoshi wins, but Mewtwo will still perform far better than Conker.
#5 Alucard vs. #12 Sub-Zero
#4 Zero vs. #13 Bomberman
#6 Aeris Gainsborough vs.#11 Max Payne
#3 Yuna vs. #14 Strider Hiryu - I would LOVE to see Strider win, but he just couldn't do it, especially after a release of FFX-2. A 3-seed might be fitting with the release of her new game.
#7 Knuckles the Echidna vs. #10 Zelda - Zelda did better against Mega Man than Knuckles did against Snake.
#2 Crono vs. #15 Conker

East Division:

#1 Mega Man vs. #16 Rush - don't make me laugh.
#8 Sora vs. #9 Lara Croft
#5 Luigi vs. #12 Serge - Serge is just a Crono wannabe. ;P
#4 Master Chief vs. #13 Terra - Terra should have more support than Kefka, I say...
#6 Donkey Kong vs. #11 Lloyd Irving - I don't know who Lloyd is, so...
#3 Bowser vs. #14 Viewtiful Joe - I've hated Viewtiful Joe from the beginning, and I don't even know why.
#7 Tommy Vercetti vs. #10 Joanna Dark - Joanna may be a wildcard, but she probably has Gordon Freeman syndrome.
#2 Solid Snake vs. #15 CATS

West Division:

#1 Mario vs. #16 Frogger - okay, THIS is the match like Sonic vs. Harry. Almost an exact analogy of it, actually.
#8 Fox McCloud vs. #9 Auron - Fox...ahead of Auron?! He should be back down to around a 15 seed again, if he should even appear again.
#5 Ganondorf vs. #12 Seifer Almasy - I'm guessing that Seifer is to Squall as Sephiroth is to Cloud, and Seifer could barely pull it off.
#4 Squall Leonhart vs. #13 Aya Brea
#6 Magus vs. #11 KOS-MOS - KOS-MOS disappointed me last year, not even able to "blow away" Crash.
#3 Samus vs. #14 Marth - would be interesting see how Marth, a character only in SSBM, would do.
#7 Dante vs.10 Leon Belmont - if Simon can't do it, neither can Leon.
#2 Sonic the Hedgehog vs. #15 Alis

South Division:

#1 Link vs. #16 Cranky Kong - Cranky would get MY vote.
#8 Sam Fisher vs. #9 Scorpion - this is a very close match, but I'll say Scorpion since Master Chief barely beat Felix.
#5 Kirby vs. #12 Pac-Man
#4 Ryu Hayabusa vs. #13 Fei - I'd cross my fingers if this match happened.
#6 Zidane vs. #11 Shadow the Hedgehog - nope, I don't think FFIX is worth a whole lot...
#3 Ryu vs. #14 Marche Radiuju
#7 Tidus vs. #10 Kefka - kinda sad, huh?
#2 Sephiroth vs. #15 Captain Falcon - I feel this would actually be a blowout.

Round 2:

North Division:

#1 Cloud Strife vs. #8 Yoshi
#5 Alucard vs. #4 Zero
#6 Aeris Gainsborough vs. #3 Yuna
#10 Zelda vs. #2 Crono

East Division:

#1 Mega Man vs. #8 Sora
#5 Luigi vs. #13 Terra
#6 Donkey Kong vs. #3 Bowser
#7 Tommy Vercetti vs. #2 Solid Snake

West Division:

#1 Mario vs. #9 Auron
#12 Seifer Almasy vs. #4 Squall Leonhart - nice rivalry matchup.
#6 Magus< vs. #3 Samus - both Samus and Magus should be higher seeded...
#7 Dante vs. #2 Sonic the Hedgehog

South Division:

#1 Link vs. #9 Scorpion
#5 Kirby vs. #13 Fei -I'd love to see Fei win.
#11 Shadow the Hedgehog vs. #3 Ryu
#7 Tidus vs. #2 Sephiroth

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From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 10/11/2003 11:09:58 PM | Message Detail
Its sammy thats more involved, Semi... and chances are they will heavily upgrade that old sprite of hers so it doesnt look like sh... er, crap. will you kill everyone at sammy?
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From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 10/11/2003 11:13:38 PM | Message Detail
and so you know, haste2, marth is from Fire Emblem.
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From: steve illumina | Posted: 10/11/2003 11:20:53 PM | Message Detail
Here it is! Steve Illumina's 2004 Bracket...Fair, Balanced, Some new peeps in, some old peeps out...

NORTH
1: Cloud Strife
16: Rayne
8: Donkey Kong
9: Rikki
5: Shadow the Hedgehog
12: Geno
4: Zero
13: Aya Brea
6: Luigi Mario
11: Miles 'Tails' Prowler
3: Magus
14: Cervantes de Leon
7: Knuckles the Echidna
10: Max Payne
2: Solid Snake
15: Kefka Palazzo

EAST
1: Sephiroth
16: CATS
8: Sora
9: Morrigan
5: Kirby
12: Wario
4: Bowser
13: Sweet Tooth
6: Tommy Vercetti
11: Jill Valentine
3: Aeris Gainsborough
14: Ken Masters
7: Yoshi
10: Pac-Man
2: Samus Aran
15: Maximo

SOUTH
1: Link
16: Lara Croft
8: Yuna
9: Vivi
5: Ryu
12: Dr. Wily
4: Ganondorf Dragmire
13: Bomberman
6: Princess Zelda
11: Viewtiful Joe
3: Frog
14: Pikachu
7: KOS-MOS
10: Dante
2: Crono
15: Sam Fisher

WEST
1: Mario Mario
16: Blinx the Cat
8: Sigma
9: Aaron
5: Alucard
12: Vyse
4: Squall Leonhart
13: Ness
6: Master Chief
11: Fox McCloud
3: Sonic the Hedgehog
14: Crash Bandicoot
7: Tidus
10: Raiden (Mortal Kombat)
2: Mega Man
15: B.B. Hood

Discuss...
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From: SemiFinal vs Belarus | Posted: 10/11/2003 11:21:35 PM | Message Detail
Oh, I know it's being made by Sammy. I'll still be killing everyone at Capcom, though. Every other character from the Darkstalkers series is superior to Morrigan, and I'm sick of her being put ahead of them.

Hmm... I'm gonna go think up my dream-list of characters for Sammy vs Capcom.
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From: Haste2 | Posted: 10/11/2003 11:23:46 PM | Message Detail
Here's the last of it...I swear, I won't do another bracket for a long, long time...

North Division:
#1 Cloud Strife vs. #4 Zero
#6 Aeris Gainsborough vs. #2 Crono

East Division:

#1 Mega Man vs. #5 Luigi
#3 Bowser vs. #2 Solid Snake

West Division:

#1 Mario vs. #4 Squall Leonhart
#3 Samus vs. #2 Sonic the Hedgehog - picked Sonic just to avenge his last loss, AND to make the next match interesting. :P

South Division:

#1 Link vs. #5 Kirby
#3 Ryu vs. #2 Sephiroth

Round 4:

North Division:
#1 Cloud Strife vs. #2 Crono - oh well if I had Crono beating Cloud in Slowfake's bracket. =p

East Division:

#1 Mega Man vs. #2 Solid Snake - Snake's turn to finally win a division.

West Division:

#1 Mario vs. #2 Sonic the Hedgehog - Um, yeah.

South Division:

#1 Link vs. #2 Sephiroth

Semi-Finals:

#1 Cloud Strife vs. #2 Solid Snake
#2 Sonic the Hedgehog vs. #2 Sephiroth

Finals:

#2 Solid Snake vs. #2 Sephiroth

Yeah, I decided to be weird in the later rounds again. o-O

And the reason I'd pick Master Chief to beat Geno is that...
1. SMRPG is nowhere near FF7, FF8, or FFX, like the GS games.
2. Geno is a doll. A DOLL! Do you think his pic would attract casual voters? Felix had the legendary look, and a sword.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."
From: Haste2 | Posted: 10/11/2003 11:25:20 PM | Message Detail
chichuri, I meant to say that Marth is most KNOWN from SSBM, FYI, so don't go thinking I don't know what I'm talking about. =p

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."
From: Enoch Camas | Posted: 10/12/2003 12:23:49 AM | Message Detail
Ah, that's right. I momentarily forgot that people hate Pokemon just because it's Pokemon. It's ridiculous to me, but some people are just ignorant.

One character I keep on forgetting is Peach. I'm curious as to how well she would do in the contest.
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From: Who Cares? | Posted: 10/12/2003 12:32:49 AM | Message Detail
The last part is of course assuming Morrigan is in it, which considering all thats been said I'm sure she will. They have deffinately voiced their desire to include DS characters and since she'd match up to Dizzy quite well...

I'm sure she'll be in it. Morri would fit very well in the GG world. Seriously, I'm just dying to see her finally get a new sprite. And if Instant Kills will be part of the gameplay, here's hoping they bring back her Enteral Slumber! :)

As for Steve's bracket, the one problem that sticks out to me the most is the bottom North. You've got a potential Knuckles vs Snake second rounder, which would be three years in a row. Either switch Kunckles with another 7 seed or Snake with another 2 seed. These matches were never close so there's no need to see them again.
From: kawaiifan | Posted: 10/12/2003 6:50:49 AM | Message Detail
Done, done and done.

http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page2.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page3.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page4.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page5.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page6.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page7.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page8.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page9.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page10.htm

Thank you so much, Yesmar! ^.^

*relief*

From: steve illumina | Posted: 10/12/2003 7:49:28 AM | Message Detail
As for Steve's bracket, the one problem that sticks out to me the most is the bottom North. You've got a potential Knuckles vs Snake second rounder, which would be three years in a row. Either switch Kunckles with another 7 seed or Snake with another 2 seed. These matches were never close so there's no need to see them again.

U are right, my bad...I tried to avoid such things as much as possible...I will fix it...see the next post for the new version. It was late at night, what can I say :)
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From: steve illumina | Posted: 10/12/2003 7:51:00 AM | Message Detail
Here it is! Steve Illumina's 2004 Bracket...Fair, Balanced, Some new peeps in, some old peeps out...

Revised version...flip flopped Knuckles and Yoshi to avoid a Snake Knuckles III matchup in the 2nd round...

NORTH
1: Cloud Strife
16: Rayne
8: Donkey Kong
9: Rikki
5: Shadow the Hedgehog
12: Geno
4: Zero
13: Aya Brea
6: Luigi Mario
11: Miles 'Tails' Prowler
3: Magus
14: Cervantes de Leon
7: Yoshi
10: Max Payne
2: Solid Snake
15: Kefka Palazzo

EAST
1: Sephiroth
16: CATS
8: Sora
9: Morrigan
5: Kirby
12: Wario
4: Bowser
13: Sweet Tooth
6: Tommy Vercetti
11: Jill Valentine
3: Aeris Gainsborough
14: Ken Masters
7: Knuckles the Echidna
10: Pac-Man
2: Samus Aran
15: Maximo

SOUTH
1: Link
16: Lara Croft
8: Yuna
9: Vivi
5: Ryu
12: Dr. Wily
4: Ganondorf Dragmire
13: Bomberman
6: Princess Zelda
11: Viewtiful Joe
3: Frog
14: Pikachu
7: KOS-MOS
10: Dante
2: Crono
15: Sam Fisher

WEST
1: Mario Mario
16: Blinx the Cat
8: Sigma
9: Aaron
5: Alucard
12: Vyse
4: Squall Leonhart
13: Ness
6: Master Chief
11: Fox McCloud
3: Sonic the Hedgehog
14: Crash Bandicoot
7: Tidus
10: Raiden (Mortal Kombat)
2: Mega Man
15: B.B. Hood

Discuss...
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N-Gage AKA N-Waste: Biggest flop since Virtual Boy...
From: Slowflake | Posted: 10/12/2003 8:12:44 AM | Message Detail
OMG... I can't believe how y'all think Squall has a shot at some really big names like Ganondorf. This is unbelievable. Squall, and especially not Seifer, could EVER beat Ganondorf under 2003 conditions. He's still weaker than Tidus, I say. As far as Squall vs. Tidus is concerned... what makes you think the fans of both will vote Squall? SFF is pretty much nonexistant, except for some select combinations that I don't think Squall/Tidus belongs to.
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From: Yesmar | Posted: 10/12/2003 8:57:08 AM | Message Detail
Here's my snazzy 2004 Bracket. I was able to include everybody I wanted to, except for Tails. Better luck next year. And I also I wanted Frog to be seeded a lot higher, but by the time I got to the South I had to add a whole bunch of people I had forgotten earlier.

North
1. Cloud
16. Frogger

8. Morrigan
9. Chun-Li

5. Alucard
12. Gordon Freeman

4. Auron
13. Peach

6. Mewtwo
11. Fox McCloud

3. Solid Snake
14. Sora

7. Master Cheif
10. Isaac

2. Samus Aran
15. Duke Nukem
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East
1. Sephiroth
16. Navi

8. Vivi
9. KOS-MOS

5. Knuckles
12. Carmen Sandiego

4. Bowser
13. Pikachu

6. Donkey Kong
11. Aeris Gainsborugh

3. Magus
14. Vyse

7. Kirby
10. Jill Valentine

2. Crono
15. Ryo Hzuki
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West
1. Link
16. Marina Lightyears

8. Luigi
9. Rikku

5. Zelda
12. Ramza Beoulve

4. Squall Leonhart
13. Terra Bradford

6. Ryu
11. Viewtiful Joe

3. Zero
14. Sub-Zero

7. Yoshi
10. Aya Brea

2. Megaman
15. Scorpion
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South
1. Mario
16. CATS

8. Pac-Man
9. Geno

5. Tommy Vercetti
12. Bomberman

4. Tidus
13. Lara Croft

6. Shadow the Hedgehog
11. Kefka Palazzo

3. Ganondorf Dragmire
14. Strider

7. Dante
10. Frog

2. Sonic the Hedgehog
15. Crash Bandicoot
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--Ganondorf in The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
From: Heroic Knuckles | Posted: 10/12/2003 9:06:05 AM | Message Detail
12. Carmen Sandiego
What!?
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From: Yesmar | Posted: 10/12/2003 10:25:41 AM | Message Detail
12. Carmen Sandiego
What!?

That's right Carmen Sandiego.

And also, should I replace Ryo with Tails, or just leave him off.
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Heh Heh... The wind... It is blowing...
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