| Stats & Discussion -- Summer 2003 Contest -- Mark III |
| : | | | | | This Topic has been marked closed. No additional messages may be posted. | | | | Page 10 of 10 | | From: Who Cares? | Posted: 10/3/2003 6:52:33 PM | Message Detail |
They
could do like KOS-MOS and win a match. However, I don't see any of them
making the Sweet 16... the competition will likely be too heavy. Plus,
the only fighting character to have a good fanbase here is Ryu. Even
Scorpion is pretty low.
True, but you have to keep in mind
that Soul Calibur 2 is not just any ‘ol fighting game. It’s one of the
few fighting games that appeals to those who aren’t really fans of the
genre, which shows why it is still in the Top Ten of all three consoles
a month after its release, on a site where fighting games aren’t that
big. Not only that, but I don’t ever remember a fighting game that has
had a bigger console release than this one. According to IGN, half of
the initial 1.6 millions copies shipped has sold, which means there’s a
chance that a large fanbase can develop from this.
Again, we
have to wait a few months to see if the game manages to hold its
position in the Top Ten’s, but if they do, I think they’ll be more
dangerous than the traditional fighting characters. (i.e. Ryu,
Scorpion, Morrigan, etc.) | | From: Slowflake | Posted: 10/3/2003 7:01:18 PM | Message Detail |
Sorry,
but I'm still skeptical, like I was about Vercetti back in June. The
most hyped element of the game was likely the bonus characters,
especially Link and Spawn. Now we all know the "w00t, this guy kicks
ass" effect when millions of people discover "this guy" (see Cloud,
Sephiroth)... but still, you have to be either from an RPG, a legend or
named Solid Snake to have hopes of going far. And as far as seeing more
than two characters... highly unlikely. This would mean as much as FF7!
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Sephiroth is feeling pretty after killing and then screwing Lance Bass. -SSJ3 Popo merging my sig and quote | | From: Haste2 | Posted: 10/3/2003 7:09:56 PM | Message Detail |
Destroyed
the 2002 Cloud? Yeah, hardly worse than he would the 2002 Sephiroth.
There's plenty of evidence for that (performances for Alucard both
years, 2003 Mega Man, etc.). And if Fox McCloud gets 25% on Sephiroth,
Fox would theoretically get 21.5% against Link, not 17.5%.
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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." | | From: Who Cares? | Posted: 10/3/2003 7:13:52 PM | Message Detail |
| Oh,
I'm not talking like breaking into the Elite 9 or anything like that,
but I'm saying is that they'll be more along the lines of a character
that could sneak their way into the Sweet 16 by taking out one of the
proven second or third tier characters. That's what I meant earlier
about throwing a wrench in the early speculations for 2K4. | | From: Slowflake | Posted: 10/3/2003 7:23:02 PM | Message Detail |
And
for that, we all know they have to be in the middle 8 of a division.
Else the character in question encounters a top character straight in
round 2, and there's no sneaking in anymore. Squall for example, one
seed lower and there was no Cinderella. To make a long story short, if
they impress with an 11-seed, they can make the Sweet 16. But with a
10, there's no chance. Honestly, I'm basing myself on the general
popularity of the genre to make assumptions. It's hardly conceivable
that SC2 could shoot any of its characters to Ryu-level, and Ryu
himself is borderline between second round loss and Sweet 16... depends
on the draw.
On the Link vs. 2002 Cloud issue, I'm pretty
certain that Sephiroth was superior to Cloud last year, and that Cloud
would have struggled a whole lot to get 40% there. (Without PGC, we
would know for sure by now.) Many people think that Cloud improved more
than Sephiroth with KH, and that alone cost the flagpole-wielder the
championship.
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Sephiroth is feeling pretty after killing and then screwing Lance Bass. -SSJ3 Popo merging my sig and quote | | From: Haste2 | Posted: 10/3/2003 7:33:16 PM | Message Detail |
With
nearly every post over the past while, my goal has been pursuade people
that the 4 characters of the Elite 9 in the upper half of the 2002
division were actually basically as formidable as the ones in the lower
half. ;_;
In fact, if it wasn't true, Cloud, Crono, Solid Snake,
AND Mario had to catch up to Mega Man, Sonic, and Samus from the year
2002 to 2003. It's not likely that would all happen. At all.
One of these days I'm going to compile a list of evidence that Cloud would've done far better than Mario against Link. =p
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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." | | From: Haste2 | Posted: 10/3/2003 10:35:28 PM | Message Detail |
Just
for fun, I'll just pick some really weak characters that have appeared
in the contest and create some pairings (okay, I made sure they looked
sorta evenly matched)...their numbers won't matter very much...
Who do you think would win?
Gabe Logan vs. Akira Yuki
Guybrush Threepwood vs. Ulala
PaRappa the Rapper vs. Goemon
Little Mac vs. Bub
AiAi vs. Ms. Pac-Man
Pitfall Harry vs. Kane
Servbot vs. Q*Bert
Captain Olimar vs. Dirk the Daring
Tom Nook vs. Chop Chop Master Onion
Mr. Driller vs. Mr. Resetti
I'll just guess...
Gabe Logan
Ulala
Goemon
Bub!
Ms. Pac-Man
Pitfall Harry
Q*Bert, probably.
Dirk the Daring
Chop Chop Master Onion
Mr. Resetti
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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." | | From: Shake | Posted: 10/4/2003 2:20:53 AM | Message Detail |
I have a somewhat different opinion about FFVII : Advent Children's impact then most.
As I experienced myself with CT, sometime AFTER you beat a good game you are on a high. You love it to death.
Thats
why I think a new game for a character needs some time to make an
impact, to give everyone a chance to play it and be swept away by its
magic.(Provided its a good game.)
Now, Advent Children is not a
game. Its a movie. It will hurt Cloud and Sephiroth's popularity in the
long run, and crazy as it sounds, it will be the cause FFVII stock will
drop like never before.But this will take a few years, everybody needs
time to quit gawking at the awesome action scenes (There will be a few,
methinks)and examine the video in more detail. Among fans fo the game
the explanations given in Advent Children will ruin some of the
wonderful vagueness of the original, but thats neither here nor there.
But as far as this contest is concerned, I believe it can make an
impact, because its a one-hour movie. Considerably easier and faster to
finish and "beat" then a 100 + hour RPG.
So the Advent Children "High" will need considerably less time to infect the voters, and I think the hype will do its share.
I
saw someone post that hype has proven non-influential up till now, and
thats true. But a cameo has never had a significant impact up to KH,
although it isnt hard to see why it did now. (In hindsight)
Anyway,
KH2 will have to significantly push Sephiroth and Cloud back up because
they will be less powerful in SC2K5, courtesy of Advent Children.
My 2 cents. ^_^
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I didn't even know the gnomes and they grabbed me by the scrotum and started playing ping-pong with my balls! ~masteremerald | | From: Slowflake | Posted: 10/4/2003 5:20:19 AM | Message Detail |
I
think Cloud would have done better than Mario against Link, but not to
the extent of reaching Sephiroth. Sephiroth was more dominant in his
half of the bracket than Cloud was, against characters of similar
popularity. Mario, Cloud and Crono vs. Samus and Megaman. Okay, so
Megaman actually came very close to Sephiroth, but my sixth sense tells
me there was an outside factor that swinged the vote a little (not
vote-stuffing, mind you).
Ha, pitting random jobbers against
each other is a nice idea indeed. For fun, I'll try doing them as
usual, simple logic instead of all that math I don't understand
anything about in the first place.
Gabe Logan vs. Akira Yuki:
Probably Gabe. At least he was against Sephiroth, and while he did
worse than Akira in his match, Akira was against Knuckles, who's not
even close to Snake.
Guybrush Threepwood vs. Ulala: Oh my
god. This year made these two look far worse than their 2002 matches
themselves. Guybrush didn't get 30% against Ryo Hazuki, and we know how
Dante made this one look. Meanwhile, Ulala almost got 40% against
Crash, who went on to be QUADRUPLED against Sephiroth. Hard decision...
but since Dante's far weaker than Sephiroth, and I used two absolute
crushings on Guybrush's chain and a relatively close match for Ulala,
I'll say Ulala.
PaRappa the Rapper vs. Goemon: PaRappa
easily. Logic dictates 2002 Cloud would have beaten PaRappa 80-20,
while his equivalent Crono would have beaten PAC-MAN 80-20. With the
rather good loss Goemon got against the Pac... you get my point.
Little Mac vs. Bub:
Anyone in DK's 4-pack in 2002 we won't know where they are until we see
them back in action. However, if we assume DK 2003 = DK 2002, then Bub
would have gotten like 25% against Mario. 25% against Mario or 15%
against Link? Honestly, 10 points is the difference between Mario and
Link, and 10 points' worth grows wider and wider as the percentages go
down. My answer is BUB.
AiAi vs. Ms. Pac-Man: AiAi. He did better against a stronger character. NEXT!
Pitfall Harry vs. Kane:
Oh the fun. Kane was blown away by BOMBERMAN of all people, who had a
close match with Jill, who got 27% against Link. Meanwhile Pitfall
Harry got 15% against Sonic, who's weaker than Link. I don't know why,
I'm leaning towards Pitfall Harry in a nail-biter.
Servbot vs. Q*bert:
Servbot would NEVER get 25% against someone like Crono. More like
10-15%. But hey... it doesn't stop there. A chain of two blowouts...
Q*bert <<< Dante <<< Crono... Again, a nail-biter,
which I believe would go at Q*Bert's advantage. He's slightly ahead of
Ryo, that's for sure.
Captain Olimar vs. Dirk the Daring:
What? Are you ****ing kidding me? Dirk couldn't get 30% against
freakin' MAX PAYNE! Then Max Payne fails to do so against Scorpion, and
I won't even get to Scorpion vs. Link. This makes 11% against Mario
look GODLY in comparison.
Tom Nook vs. Chop Chop Master Onion: Same logic, except two blowouts instead of three and Nook did better in his match. Closer, but still Nook.
Mr. Driller vs. Mr. Resetti: Resetti did better than Serious Sam against Megaman, and Sam beat Driller. You know the drill... Resetti easily.
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Sephiroth is feeling pretty after killing and then screwing Lance Bass. -SSJ3 Popo merging my sig and quote | | From: Enoch Camas | Posted: 10/4/2003 1:57:18 PM | Message Detail |
You know, maybe we've been totally underestimating Servbot all this time.
I
mean, he IS from the Mega Man series, so he's bound to have some Mega
Man fan votes(joke votes, too). I'm not saying he's a tier 2 or 3
character or anything like that, but he might be stronger than everyone
thinks.
This is all in response to how Mario always seems to
underperform against "weak" characters. It could just be that everyone
completely underestimated Servbot, Morrigan, and Shadow this year. Or
I'm just talking out of my ass. :P
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"Do these huggies make my ass look big?" - Stewie Griffin
| | From: Seijun | Posted: 10/4/2003 2:18:05 PM | Message Detail |
Yes,
though shalt not underestimate the Servbot's strength. He has at least
4 games under his belt, not to mention all the people who would mistake
him for one of those Lego men. ^^
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Apparently Shion is
more concerned with her weapon of mass destruction appreciating the
beauty of spring and the sweetness of a baby's smile. | | From: Who Cares? | Posted: 10/4/2003 2:32:41 PM | Message Detail |
| Well as far as Morrigan is concerned, I think she is
very underrated. Those not in fighting games circles don't understand
that she is in the top ten (maybe even top five) of the most popular
characters of that genre, which was why there was such an uproar when
she beat Spyro. And I still believe to this day that if she would have
switched positions with Scorpion that year, not only would she have the
same success, but she may have performed alot better Scorpion did. I
really think she (along with Aya) deserves a shot again next year so we
can see where exactly she falls in overall popularity. | | From: Garsha | Posted: 10/4/2003 2:47:40 PM | Message Detail |
WTF!? How did you get that ? on your name?
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*Is DownrightBad721*
True Member and 3rd in command of the Official Medli FanClub. (Read quote) | | From: Who Cares? | Posted: 10/4/2003 2:55:14 PM | Message Detail |
| I
registered at a time when '?' was allowed in you user name. (I can
hardly believe I've been on this site that long, I feel old!) | | From: Slowflake | Posted: 10/4/2003 5:25:28 PM | Message Detail |
Umm... put Strider, yes, freaking STRIDER, in Scorpion's place, and he makes the Elite 8, while beating Pac-Man in the process.
Honestly,
I can't figure out for the life of me why would Servbot be anything but
a first-class jobber. I mean, MM Legends is kinda like Megaman's Wind
Waker... an ugly flower in an otherwise awesome legacy. That and he
makes my ears bleed.
Now on to Morrigan. 33% against Mario.
Hmmmmkay. But name me the genre she comes from? What's that I hear?
Fighting? She might be in the genre's top five, but Scorpion probably
is too, and look at the horrid performances he pulled (and this tells
you something about Pac-Man's level). Plus, I'm going to venture in a
totally wild guess here, but the gamers that touch to a little of every
genre are more bound to know of Mortal Kombat or Street Fighter than
even MvC. And if that wild guess is wrong, then I couldn't possibly
imagine Morrigan being to MvC what Ryu and Scorpion are to their own
series. You certainly noticed I didn't mention Darkstalkers, and for
good reason.
Then there's Shadow. 45%... that's the kind of
score SONIC should get against Mario, not a lame-ass wannabe copycat.
Could Shadow possibly reach his legendary counterpart in ONE game? That
would be like comparing Luigi to Waluigi. Thank goodness Sonic Heroes
wasn't out at the time of the match... then Mario would've needed his
clutch against the fake hedgehog of all people.
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Sephiroth is feeling pretty after killing and then screwing Lance Bass. -SSJ3 Popo merging my sig and quote | | From: Haste2 | Posted: 10/4/2003 9:43:48 PM | Message Detail |
Heh, I need to do my explanations...I didn't read anybody else's answers to these yet, so...
Gabe Logan
vs. Akira Yuki - Yes, these are two characters that seem to be from
popular games but seem to have little to no fanbase whatsoever on
GameFAQs. I decided to pick Gabe Logan because he has a gun and is from
a PSX Greatest Hit title, and Akira Yuki technically did worse than
CATS in 2002...pretty pathetic.
Guybrush Threepwood vs. Ulala...I
don't think she'd have the anti-vote base that some of those rapping
characters would, as she isn't even that well-known, and she's kinda
hot. Guybrush looks like cheeseman (random word) or something.
PaRappa the Rapper vs. Goemon - even if you don't have many fans, PaRappa's anti-votes would pull him through, barely.
Little Mac vs. Bub - Bub apparently could rival Vyse. (sort of) :O
AiAi vs. Ms. Pac-Man
- Purely on numbers, AiAi looks better, but still...a horrible looking
monkey would probably get beat out by a character who represents a
classic arcade game (I say she only crashes and burns against someone
who's semi-popular).
Pitfall Harry vs. Kane - nostalgia puts Harry over the what's-that-word Kane.
Servbot vs. Q*Bert
- Q*Bert is easily ahead of most of these other "low tier" characters,
but so is Servbot. I'll say Q*Bert will pull through, with slightly
more recognition (I think) and would win in terms of looks...maybe.
Captain Olimar vs. Dirk the Daring
- I'm totally clueless on why Dirk the Daring is so incredibly hated,
but he just is. Captain Olimar is in the same boat, though, and I'll
just pick Dirk since he -isn't- that bad. =p
Tom Nook vs. Chop Chop Master Onion - I guess I'll just pick Chop Chop...yeah.
Mr. Driller
vs. Mr. Resetti - I'll change to Mr. Driller. He actually looks all
right. It's just hard to see an Animal Crossing character win,
especially that one. =p
*looks back* Wow, I'm ignoring numbers a LOT more than Slowfake is. =p
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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." | | From: steve illumina | Posted: 10/4/2003 10:32:48 PM | Message Detail |
All
this talk about jobbers...would love to see a tourney of 64 total
wastes, bums, and jobbers just to settle it up. Ceej should do it as a
joke, but for the fun of it too.
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Pub Trivia #9: Member of Cheese Strikes Back
~This user's Constitutional Rights were deleted by a GameFAQs Moderator~ | | From: Haste2 | Posted: 10/4/2003 10:34:55 PM | Message Detail |
I'll just start a timeline of events of the Summer 2003 Contest:
Day 1:
Link lays the smackdown on AiAi and shows that he's just as much of a
force to be reckoned with this year as last year, setting a record
90,000 votes, blowing away any Round 1 numbers last year.
Day 4: Magus, a favorite to win it all on the boards, disappoints against Sam Fisher.
Day 5: The first real shocker match, Squall is the first to show the Kingdom Hearts factor in 2003.
Day 9:
CATS leads for the first couple minutes, providing some real
embarassment for the future champ (which of course nobody expected at
the time)
Day 14: Master Chief fails to impress, nearly losing to Felix, and automatically dumps 1,500 or so brackets in the toilet.
Day 15: Zero takes out Scorpion in Round 1, wrecking havoc on the boards and proving this MK ninja was a fluke in 2002.
Day 17: Shadow tears apart Wario, putting the board at awe, and interestingly enough, not much chaos.
Day 18:
Angry message board users try and get CJayC to change that Amano Kefka
pic...but alas, Lettuce Kefka faced off Pac-Man, and squeaked the
victory.
Day 30: Kite takes a 35% chunk from Tommy Vercetti, the hero, er, villain of GTA: VC, one slated to win it all by over 2,000 brackets.
Day 35:
Aside from Link's being dethroend, the ultimate upset of the contest
occurs, with the ultimate underdog, Squall, winning yet another match
against Luigi; the first batch of account suicides start; strangely
enough, 38% of the brackets had him this far. So much for being
"professional".
Day 40: Sonic almost loses to some...side character, which gets people to believe he's doomed in R3.
Day 41 & 42:
Mario underachieves against Shadow, while Crono blows Kefka out of the
water, increasing the belief that it's all over for Mario next time.
Day 47:
Tommy Vercetti takes an early lead against DK, but the sweaty ape
eventually catches up and some lead exchanges happen at one point; this
makes the first truly nail-biting match.
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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." | | From: Haste2 | Posted: 10/4/2003 10:35:37 PM | Message Detail |
Continued...
Day 49: Magus fails to get anywhere near defeating Link, though Magus' last performance forewarned it.
Day 53:
Crono leads against Mario throughout nearly the entire day...until
Mario's miraculous and suspicious comeback. The worst havoc on the
board. Ever. This also marks the second time Crono was leading just
minutes before the poll closed, only to have the lead stolen.
Day 56:
Tommy Vercetti gets blasted to the next dimension by the blue bomber,
silencing the stubborn Vercetti fans. On another note, the only
characters remaining at this point are the 1 and 2 seeds.
Day 57: Samus, considered the "last chance" to defeat Link, fails to do her duty, making everybody shake their heads in despair.
Day 58: Cloud Strife blows Sonic out of the water, giving people hope again that Link could actually fall.
Day 59:
The people who still doubted Link could fall were shown the power of
FFVII yet again, with Sephiroth getting nearly 62% against the Nintendo
legend.
Day 60: 14.53% of the brackets pick Mega Man to take
the division, a record low for prediction percentage in Round 4 (barely
behind Crono's upset last year); quite interesting since this was one
of the easiest decisions in solarshadow's Stats & Discussion topic.
Day 61:
Cloud Strife beats Link; 'nuff said. Oh yes, and 13.37% of the brackets
get this match correct. This is also shattered the record for greatest
total votes, with over 147,000 of the them. Let me also note that Cloud
has had the KH pic 3 times now, while Link has had a Cel-Shaded image
for the 5th time in a row.
Day 62: Things are looking bleak
for Mega Man's rematch, and, as expected, Sephiroth ends up
exterminating him with amazing ease, unlike 2002.
Day 63: A
Nintendo fan's worst nightmare occurs: Cloud Strife vs. Sephiroth.
Cloud wins the championship, and 6.04% of the brackets have it correct,
a new record.-
*hopes he didn't miss anything big*
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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." | | From: Seijun | Posted: 10/4/2003 10:42:49 PM | Message Detail |
What about Magus vs. Ganny? ;_;
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Apparently
Shion is more concerned with her weapon of mass destruction
appreciating the beauty of spring and the sweetness of a baby's smile. | | From: Haste2 | Posted: 10/4/2003 10:51:46 PM | Message Detail |
Oh yes, that's right...
Day 34
- one of the most anticipated matches of Round 2, the board was
basically split between Ganondorf and Magus as to who would be Link's
victim next round...Magus took a strong early lead, but was soon cut to
down to well below 51% by morning; many actually expected a comeback.
Magus held through, though, and ended up winning with a mere 650 votes.
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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." | | From: Heroic Knuckles | Posted: 10/5/2003 5:05:55 AM | Message Detail |
Wow, I'm impressed. You got all the important matches there. Good work.
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"Take your hands off me! I detest physical contact!"~the Purple Man | | From: StopPokingMe | Posted: 10/5/2003 6:57:47 PM | Message Detail |
Actually, the only characters that will, bar some exceptions, almost always have small wins and small losses are Mario and MC.
Last
year's numbers suggest Chop Chop would beat Guybrush handily. No way
that's true... though I will admit that Lara's considerably lower overall
strength than MC, and especially Mario, makes it easier to confuse her
for someone who just plain sucks. And Tommy? Hard to say, but my gut
feeling is Vyse would beat Kite about 60-40, nothing like a tie, and DK
would get 25-28% against Mega Man rather than 33%. Besides, it only
makes sense that the PS1 and PS2 poster children would join the
Nintendo and Xbox poster children in this exclusive group.
I
honestly doubt SFF kicked in in Link/Samus, since while both series are
Nintendo, they just can't be compared. Except they are the best two
series to have ever seen the light. ;)
Slowflake sounds like
the very definition of SFF to me. Fans of one's series are likely to be
fans of the other's. Not nearly like Super Mario Bros./DKC, but much
more than any random pair of games.
You know, maybe we've been totally underestimating Servbot all this time.
Okaaaay... but would he really beat Fox soundly like the numbers say he would?
Who do you think would win?
Gabe Logan
over Akira Yuki: The farther Sephiroth got (both years, but especially
last year), the more impressive Gabe looked in retrospect. His
strength, as much as Ms. Pac-Man's weakness, got all that talk of MM
over Seph started. Akira got thumped by Knux, who's not exactly Sweet
16 material.
Guybrush Threepwood over Ulala: Call me crazy,
but in a match between two total losers like this, the guy whose series
some people have heard of gets the nod over the semi-sorta-hot chick...
I think. Should be close either way.
Goemon over PaRappa the
Rapper: PtR already lost the "who do you hate less" match against
Pikachu. Goemon is simply a nobody, as opposed to a hated nobody.
Again, should be close.
Bub over Little Mac: Apparently, Bub
is as strong as Vyse. I don't believe it either, but if he's only half
as strong as Vyse, he should win here. Vyse would keel-haul Little Mac,
no question.
AiAi over Ms. Pac-Man: Recency, that's what this
is all about. There's no reason to suppose either character has any
other advantage. AiAi is fresher on people's minds than Ms. P, and it
showed in the poll results as well.
Pitfall Harry over Kane:
Harry, on his good days, can look like Indiana Jones. Kane will be a TV
for all eternity. Looks > all else when neither is famous, recent,
or, well, to be blunt, anything.
Servbot over Q*Bert: On the
grounds that logic dictates Q*Bert << Pac-Man, we know he's old
as dirt, and Servbot is a member of a popular series.
Captain Olimar over Dirk the Daring: No, Dirk's sword won't save him. See AiAi vs. Ms. Pac-Man.
Tom Nook over Chop Chop Master Onion: See AiAi vs. Ms. Pac-Man, and throw in the rabid Animal Crossing fans just for good measure.
Mr. Resetti over Mr. Driller: See AiAi vs. Ms. Pac-Man and Nook vs. CCMO.
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The GameFAQs Summer Contest 2003 Fanfiction Project: http://members.aol.com/gcbfiles/ffproj.html | | From: Slowflake | Posted: 10/6/2003 4:24:41 AM | Message Detail |
Fans
of a series are likely to be fans of the other, that's true. But the
question is, who will be advantaged by SFF? Unlike Mario and DK, which
are quite similar, Zelda and Metroid are worlds apart. So some people
will like Metroid better, while the others will like Zelda better.
That's what I meant by that... SFF is probably cancelled by the fact
that Nintendo fans are definitely not putting their eggs in the same
basket, unless both series are very similar.
However I think
Auron wasn't handicapped much by SFF, for the reason that Auron did
like Alucard in 2002 against Cloud, but Tails did 10% worse than he did
against Alucard... the 10% Cloud improved by over the past year.
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Sephiroth is feeling pretty after killing and then screwing Lance Bass. -SSJ3 Popo merging my sig and quote | | From: Seijun | Posted: 10/6/2003 4:44:20 AM | Message Detail |
Personally, I think Donkey Kong was more affected by side-kick syndrome than SFF.
Side-kick syndrome? But isn't he the star of his own series? Why his name is even in the title!
True,
but aside from the Rare games, Donkey Kong had always either been
Mario's opponent or a side-character in a Mario game. Even in the
original Donkey Kong series, Mario/Jumpman always had a bigger role
than Donkey Kong (Mario was the hero in DK 1 & 3, Mario was the
villain while DK was a captive in DK 2).
The only big game
that Donkey Kong was the hero of was the Donkey Kong Country series,
and I think that is over-shadowed by the Mario Series for most people.
So... yeah. Feel free to pick apart my poorly-written logic. ^^;
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The
bouncer, meanwhile, takes one look at Flik and starts gushing like a
Square fanboy who just discovered Yuna x Rikku x Lulu doujinshi.
-Videogame Recaps | | From: Slowflake | Posted: 10/6/2003 7:13:16 AM | Message Detail |
Last year's numbers suggest Chop Chop would beat Guybrush handily. No way that's true...
I
could believe it actually. Anyone who gives up SEVENTY PERCENT of the
vote to friggin RYO HAZUKI will get whacked to oblivion by every single
denizen of Jobberville.
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Sephiroth is feeling pretty after killing and then screwing Lance Bass. -SSJ3 Popo merging my sig and quote | | From: steve illumina | Posted: 10/6/2003 7:16:03 AM | Message Detail |
I agree with Slowflake..cause Ryo is just terrible...
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~This user's Constitutional Rights were deleted by a GameFAQs Moderator~ | | From: Haste2 | Posted: 10/6/2003 6:35:40 PM | Message Detail |
It's
funny how whenever I try to give think of good evidence of SFF, there's
always some match that gets in the way that iss SFF-suspicious. =p But
I haven't seen much evidence of disproving it, either...
Eh, a couple things to notice:
1. Ryu would beat Dante with 64% by 200 pure numbers.
2. Solid Snake would beat Ryu with only...51%.
3. Mega Man would beat Dante with 71% according to 2002 numbers. o_O
4.
This year Solid Snake beat Ryu with 57%, and Dante theoretically lost
to Mega Man with 63.434%. Being aware of SSF would shift the numbers
much closer...
Also note that Alucard to lost Cloud with 30.4%
in 2002, yet got 27.7% against Sephiroth in 2003, so theoretically the
Sephiroth of 2003 should beat Alucard with 77.3%, or Alucard getting
22.7%. Add that to the fact that Bomberman last year was supposed to
get 23% against Link in 2002, heh. This makes Cloud of 2002 look really
good, heh.
Don't go talking about increases and decreases in
characters now, because along with the little sense some of the numbers
make in the paragraph above, Bomberman did much better against Jill
last year than against Alucard, and Jill was supposed to be leagues
ahead of Alucard.
Just a few examples of why the 2002 character
rankings values for the North/East divisions don't make much sense,
heh. In fact, with my revised charts, about the only major problems
were that Alucard and Kirby seemed a little too high in the 2003
character ranking lists, and Gordon Freeman made a huge boost (I guess
Max looking constipated helped Gordon this year). Virtually all other
problems can be explained by SFF to make the chart make sense. Oh yes,
and there are some other difference like Ken Masters or Ryo Hazuki, but
that's because they definitely performed differently between 2002 and
2003. (actually, Sonic probably did better against Ken than Samus did
because it didn't involve either of the two large "fanbases", Nintendo
and Squaresoft, thus putting support from BOTH sides over to the
"better" character, Sonic).
I forgot to add that rankings of the
elite 9 of the revised rankings are very similar both years, bar the KH
factor, between 2002 and 2003:
2002: (jumble in Cloud somewhere
around Mega Man or Sephiroth's level, since it's hard to judge by
exactly how much Cloud "should've" beaten Mario with)
Link
Sephiroth
Mega Man
Mario
Crono
Samus Aran
Sonic the Hedgehog
Solid Snake
2003: (jumble in Samus around Mega Man, Mario, or Crono)
Cloud Strife
Sephiroth
Link
Mega Man
Mario
Crono
Solid Snake
Sonic the Hedgehog
Well I guess if this doesn't convince you(plural), then nothing will until next year's contest comes around. =P
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"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." | | From: Slowflake | Posted: 10/7/2003 9:50:28 AM | Message Detail |
Ryu getting 64% against Dante? That's almost what friggin' Crono
did! Now if you would explain how you got that. I would guess that's an
argument in favor of SFF in Mario/Link, though I'm not 100% sure.
Sephiroth beat Samus by a little margin which would place her pretty
much on par with Mario and Crono. Dante got like 34% against Crono, and
Ryu 42% against Samus. There, you have it... the 8 points by which
Dante lost to Ryu.
Snake narrowly beating Ryu I couldn't
believe. I mean, Snake kept it rather close with Crono, what Ryu
definitely didn't do against Samus, despite his great performance. 58%
against Samus would then mean 55% against Snake... which is just a
little off. I mean, Knuckles vs. Snake didn't turn out the same both
years, either!
Now on to Megaman/Dante. With these formulas that
are used, you're only as good as your last match... and Megaman did
awesome. However, I hold on to my theory that the incredible hype
Megaman got (and no one ever got this much, not even Cloud against
Link) swayed a few points towards Megaman, effectively bringing him
down a point or two above Mario, Crono and Samus. Honestly though, I
don't know where you pulled that 63%, because I'd get around 66%.
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Sephiroth is feeling pretty after killing and then screwing Lance Bass. -SSJ3 Popo merging my sig and quote | | From: Heroic Knuckles | Posted: 10/8/2003 2:42:52 PM | Message Detail |
bbuummpp
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Frantic, exhilarating, and addictive, Viewtiful Joe is a classic and everything a game should be. ~Gamepro | | From: Haste2 | Posted: 10/8/2003 10:08:49 PM | Message Detail |
Well,
it's not like I'm saying Crono > Mega Man, because Mega Man
obviously got .5% better than Crono did against Snake, but I guess I
just need to point out that Dante seems to have gotten more popular
from 2002 to 2003 (or Ryu decreased, which is a possibility). It's hard
to see this hype about Mega Man vs. Sephiroth, especially since 14.5%
of the brackets even had Mega Man going that far, but that's probably
true to a small extent in many situations...(lots and lots of lurking
variables, argh; doubt any of them are huge, though)
Ryu getting 64% against Dante?
That's because on the normal 2002 rankings charts, Crono is about 37.5% while Ryu is about 34.5%.
Dante got like 34% against Crono, and Ryu 42% against Samus. There, you have it... the 8 points by which Dante lost to Ryu.
Using
my formula and if Samus = Crono and just using those simply numbers,
that's equal to Ryu winning with 60.5%. Creativename's formula would be
even higher than that, more like 61-62%.
Snake narrowly
beating Ryu I couldn't believe. I mean, Snake kept it rather close with
Crono, what Ryu definitely didn't do against Samus, despite his great
performance.
Actually, Samus got only about 1% higher than Solid Snake, so it seems to make perfect sense.
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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." | | From: Slowflake | Posted: 10/9/2003 4:31:13 AM | Message Detail |
Correction:
Megaman had 84.66% of the brackets making it this far. Of course,
Sephiroth had the majority of the brackets beating him, but if you
remember, this board was just all a big "Wouldn't it be cool if Megaman
beat Sephiroth?" That's the only way I could figure why Sephiroth had
the morning vote and overtook Megaman at that point... the board
usually votes first, and there was A LOT of MM support.
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Sephiroth is feeling pretty after killing and then screwing Lance Bass. -SSJ3 Popo merging my sig and quote | | From: Haste2 | Posted: 10/9/2003 10:06:19 PM | Message Detail |
Slowflake,
I'm afraid we misunderstood each other. I thought you were talking
about the Mega Man of 2003, which kinda confused me since Mega Man
didn't do well against Sephiroth anyways. =p Yes, I know 84% of the
brackets had Mega Man going to R3 in 2002. =P
Yeah, I guess the
hype from Mega Man's first two giant blowouts factored in to his
performance against Sephiroth in 2002...probably much more than the
hype in 2003.
Just out of curiosity...do you know Mega Man was
doing in the beginning of MM vs. Sephiroth in 2003? Was he almost
hanging in there at the beginning, or was his percentage always at
around 39%?
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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." | | From: Slowflake | Posted: 10/10/2003 4:26:21 AM | Message Detail |
If
I remember correctly, Mega's percentage was between 39 and 40% all day.
I'm not sure if it's that match, but Megaman was able to keep up with
Sephiroth until the update lock, à la Luigi, except Sephiroth was in
the lead already.
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Sephiroth is feeling pretty after killing and then screwing Lance Bass. -SSJ3 Popo merging my sig and quote | | From: Slowflake | Posted: 10/10/2003 7:34:35 AM | Message Detail |
On
a whole other topic, I started a pseudo-SC2004 bracket, and I need help
completing it with a few newcomers... seven, actually. (Hey, the two
contests combined spawned enough good competitors to fill a huge
majority of the bracket!)
So could anyone suggest seven
newcomers that they seriously think would do well? No Frog, Geno or Joe
as I put them in already, and no Mario, Zelda or FF either.
Thanks!
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Sephiroth is feeling pretty after killing and then screwing Lance Bass. -SSJ3 Popo merging my sig and quote | | From: Slowflake | Posted: 10/10/2003 7:37:26 AM | Message Detail |
I forgot... they must not have taken part in either tournament (not even 2002), and also bar Sonic and CT characters.
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Sephiroth is feeling pretty after killing and then screwing Lance Bass. -SSJ3 Popo merging my sig and quote | | From: GunMage | Posted: 10/10/2003 8:25:15 AM | Message Detail |
Er, I'm not sure if these characters would do all that well, but they're just suggestions.
Captain Falcon (F-Zero series, 7-10 seed)
Marina Lightyears (Mischief Makers, 11-13 seed)
Ridley (Metroid series, 7-10 seed)
Billy Hatcher (Billy Hatcher and the Giant Egg, 14-16 seed)
Kerrigan (Starcraft, 11-13 seed)
That's all I can think of right now. Could you post this psuedo-bracket of yours? (Either here or on bracketmaker)
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(Vs. Mode: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=8&topic=9727932) | | From: Slowflake | Posted: 10/10/2003 8:45:19 AM | Message Detail |
Started doing it... wow... every single low-seeder looks like he/she's been severely underseeded. That screams uber-bracket!
Billy
Hatcher I could figure as a 16-seed, seeing as Gordon Freeman got one
too. Kerrigan? Much-requested, but much-requested characters can bomb
(see Kefka). Falcon and Ridley? I see the complaints... too many
Nintendo characters... wait, I removed Olimar and the AC boyz and added
Frog, Geno and brought back Aya... I'll put them in. The other
person... misses the cut. Probably below CATS-level, I'd bet.
I need three more!
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Sephiroth is feeling pretty after killing and then screwing Lance Bass. -SSJ3 Popo merging my sig and quote | | From: GunMage | Posted: 10/10/2003 8:51:35 AM | Message Detail |
How
about Jak? He's probably going to be a low seeder too (13-16), but he
did get a sequel (as did Ratchet, but he's already been in).
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(Vs. Mode: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=8&topic=9727932) | | From: GunMage | Posted: 10/10/2003 8:54:15 AM | Message Detail |
Oh,
and I don't suppose someone like Bastilla from KOTOR would be able to
make the field, but she's another suggestion. Marina doesn't make the
field?! I guess it's because almost no one actually played Mischief
Makers...
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(Vs. Mode: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=8&topic=9727932) | | From: Slowflake | Posted: 10/10/2003 8:56:30 AM | Message Detail |
That's,
like, obvious. The only cannon fodder I want in the bracket is CATS,
because of tradition. Besides, considering the guy I pit him against,
he might have his chance to shine.
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Sephiroth is feeling pretty after killing and then screwing Lance Bass. -SSJ3 Popo merging my sig and quote | | From: Who Cares? | Posted: 10/10/2003 1:01:27 PM | Message Detail |
Well since & been pumping them up lately, I've got two for ya:
Nightmare (Soul Calibur 2) -- Probably the game's best rep at this point.
Chun-Li (Street Fighter) -- Hopefully would do better than Ken. | | From: Slowflake | Posted: 10/10/2003 1:23:03 PM | Message Detail |
Hmmm...
Chun-Li would make it three SF characters, which is a little much.
Maybe if I boot Ken? He performs pretty good, after all... what should
I do?
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Sephiroth is feeling pretty after killing and then screwing Lance Bass. -SSJ3 Popo merging my sig and quote | | From: Who Cares? | Posted: 10/10/2003 2:11:52 PM | Message Detail |
| I
think you could boot Ken. I personally think Chun-Li's closer to Ryu's
level than Ken's. But of course because Ken has been hit with two elite
9 opponents it's hard to really guage where he falls. I'd have no
problem seeing three SF characters in bracket, but if you're really set
on putting in two, then I'd take Ken out for the sake of seeing
something fresh and new! | | From: steve illumina | Posted: 10/10/2003 2:45:23 PM | Message Detail |
Slowflake: For me, your bud, put in Rayne (from BloodRayne), Sigma, Dr. Wily, Zangief, and Raiden :)
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Pub Trivia #9 Champions: Cheese Strikes Back!
N-Gage AKA N-Waste: Biggest flop since Virtual Boy... | | From: Slowflake | Posted: 10/10/2003 3:31:47 PM | Message Detail |
Bracket complete!
I
decided to throw in Ghaleon and Mewtwo, since these two are often
mentioned when talking about snubs. I also decided to keep Ken, since
he's capable of making credible contenders look not-so-credible.
NORTH DIVISION
/ (1) Cloud Strife
\ (16) Ness
/ (8) Kirby
\ (9) Jill Valentine
/ (5) Bowser
\ (12) KOS-MOS
/ (4) Shadow the Hedgehog
\ (13) Kefka Palazzo
/ (6) Auron
\ (11) Claire Redfield
/ (3) Ganondorf Dragmire
\ (14) Vyse
/ (7) Donkey Kong
\ (10) Morrigan Aensland
/ (2) Megaman
\ (15) Nightmare
EAST DIVISION
/ (1) Mario Mario
\ (16) CATS
/ (8) Geno
\ (9) Master Chief
/ (5) Squall Leonhart
\ (12) Sam Fisher
/ (4) Tidus
\ (13) Ken Masters
/ (6) Knuckles the Echidna
\ (11) Viewtiful Joe
/ (3) Zero
\ (14) Kasumi
/ (7) Alucard
\ (10) Wario
/ (2) Crono
\ (15) Pikachu
SOUTH DIVISION
/ (1) Link
\ (16) Crash Bandicoot
/ (8) Yuna
\ (9) Lara Croft
/ (5) Frog
\ (12) Captain Falcon
/ (4) Ryu
\ (13) Bomberman
/ (6) Yoshi
\ (11) Pac-Man
/ (3) Janus "Magus" Zeal
\ (14) Ghaleon
/ (7) Luigi Mario
\ (10) Aya Brea
/ (2) Solid Snake
\ (15) Ridley
WEST DIVISION
/ (1) Sephiroth
\ (16) Gordon Freeman
/ (8) Sora
\ (9) Miles "Tails" Prower
/ (5) Zelda
\ (12) Fox McCloud
/ (4) Aeris Gainsborough
\ (13) Duke Nukem
/ (6) Tommy Vercetti
\ (11) Ramza Beoulve
/ (3) Sonic the Hedgehog
\ (14) Mewtwo
/ (7) Dante
\ (10) Scorpion
/ (2) Samus Aran
\ (15) Sarah Kerrigan
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Sephiroth is feeling pretty after killing and then screwing Lance Bass. -SSJ3 Popo merging my sig and quote | | From: GunMage | Posted: 10/10/2003 6:09:38 PM | Message Detail |
| [This message was deleted at the request of the original poster] | | From: GunMage | Posted: 10/10/2003 6:15:29 PM | Message Detail |
Very, very brief analysis of Slowflake's bracket.
North Division
This
is Cloud's division to lose. There's pretty much no one here who can
challenge him, not even Mega Man I'm afraid. My eyes nearly popped out
seeing that 8-9 match, a classic throwback to SC2K2, which would
finally answer the question whether Kirby is good enough now to beat
Jill Valentine.
Toughest 1st round match to call: (8) Kirby vs. (9) Jill
Most anticipated 2nd round match: (6) Auron vs. (3) Ganondorf
East Division
Mario
may be number one, but look who's number two! That's right, the very
likely division final would be Mario vs. Crono III, and it doesn't look
like anyone could stop this rematch from happening. Tidus is a surprise
at number four, and he would take on Squall in a close second round
battle between FF veterans.
Toughest 1st round match to call: (8) Geno vs. (9) Master Chief
Most anticipated 2nd round match: (5) Squall vs. (4) Tidus
South Division
Link
should be on top of this division, but Magus is lurking as a three seed
who could potentially break the "three seed curse" and have a rematch
with Link in the division final. Frog makes a strong first-time
appearance at number 5. Can he continue Chrono Trigger's trend of
having moderately strong contenders?
Toughest 1st round match to call: (7) Luigi vs. (10) Aya
Most anticipated 2nd round match: (5) Frog vs. (4) Ryu
West Division
Ouch!
Sephiroth might be the one seed, but what I saw next was a pleasant
surprise. How's this for the final four-pack of the West? Sephiroth vs.
Aeris and Sonic vs. Samus. Can you say grudge matches? That would give
bracketmakers nightmares for days.
Toughest 1st round match to call: (6) Vercetti vs. (11) Ramza
Most anticipated 2nd round match: (5) Zelda vs. (4) Aeris
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(Vs. Mode: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=8&topic=9727932) | | From: HyperBlast Xan | Posted: 10/10/2003 6:15:38 PM | Message Detail |
Seeing how this topic is about to close, would you guys make another topic to discuss?
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Failure:
When Your Best Just Isn't Good Enough | | From: TheBattleOx | Posted: 10/10/2003 6:16:03 PM | Message Detail |
i win
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