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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/5/2009 11:03:16 PM | message detail

Normally I start this during the final, but I'm in the mood to get this going now. It's not like the final two rounds are going to have some left-field upset with how strong Ocarina of Time and Final Fantasy 7 are. Also it feels like this contest ended too soon, even though it was the standard 63 days long.

Not even a bad format can stop me from writing a PCA for a game contest. Sure I haven't done them for 4-way character contests, but that's what awesome dudes like Ed Bellis and Karma Hunter and the tran man are for. But a video game contest we've all waited five years for? I AM BACK WITH A VENGEANCE.

A few notes. I'm going to make these a bit simpler than PCAs past. I'm sorry, but looking up match pics and Oracle preditions and prediction percentages is not fun. This information is available all over the place elsewhere. I'm posting vote totals, nothing else. I'm also only going to focus on what was interesting in each match. "Game X had no chance, it couldn't even break 10%, as expected" is not interesting to read once, let alone 20 times. Lastly, I'll try being nicer than usual to games that choke. No really, I swear.

On that note, let's do this!

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Dilated Chemist | Posted 6/5/2009 11:04:20 PM | message detail

Tag.

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Mumei | Posted 6/5/2009 11:04:31 PM | message detail

Bah.

Don't go soft. Mock the games that choked.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 6/5/2009 11:04:35 PM | message detail

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/5/2009 11:06:35 PM | message detail

Pre-Contest

This contest possibly deserves some pre-contest babble more than any other, for several reasons. The biggest of which came really early. After the contest nominations were put up, we waited four months for an actual bracket. After an evening where Bacon posted in one of KP's Bacon Watch topics, the bracket got posted.

Not only did Bacon keep the garbage four-way format, but he kept the generational gap format. Generations are kinda sorta defensible, but this is not a contest that needed a joke format to retain unpredictability. Video games aren't like characters -- people care much more deeply about them than they do characters, and the strength of games have much more potential for change. Just skip ahead and look at what happened to Mario 3 or Chrono Trigger.

Had Bacon simply said "This is my final decision, suck it up or be quiet", that would have been fine. However, he left open a Board 8 topic as a venue for complaints and suggestions, didn't listen to any of them regarding the format and defended himself with faulty logic, bad numbers and "1v1s are dull and always have been". I don't need to explain why this is bad to any stats vet, but for new people: Spring 2004 was arguably the most exciting contest we've ever had. Sure we had out fair share of Mario 3 > Metal Gear, but just look at all of Starcraft's matches, or any one of a dozen other close matches. In Bacon's world, two slugs being within 1000 votes in a fourway is more dramatic than two strong games being close 1v1. Whatever. Bacon may have said nothing he didn't believe in, a big reason for the format was marketing. Thank you, advertising, for continuing to prove your ignorance. Then again a bad format contest is better than no contest, and we were quite close to no contest. The four month delay was no accident, so I suppose we have to appreciate Bacon's effort here. It would however be nice to know if we're ever to see another 1v1 contest. Even those small 1v1 32 entrant contests are decent, and such a contest for systems or companies would be awesome.

To compound the problem, Bacon actually allowed suggestions to add and remove games from the field of 128. After a literal flood of Add/Remove topics, the following replacements took place:

Deus Ex > Panzer Dragoon Saga
Donkey Kong Country 2 > Fallout
Street Fighter 4 > The World Ends With You
Fire Emblem > Golden Sun
Soul Calibur > Super Smash Brothers
Mortal Kombat 2 > Street Fighter 2 Super Mega Awesome Turbo EX [Subtitle] Champion Edition
Civilization swapped places with Dragon Warrior 3, since they were both in the wrong division (thanks RockMFR for remembering this)

Strength-wise, only Smash Brothers was significant here. It could have done some true damage in the first round, and perhaps some overall damage were it not stuck with Ocarina in round 2. None of the other games ended up being relevant.

Board-wise, Street Fighter 4 replacing TWEWY was quite the board explosion, for obvious fad reasons. The topic for this request wasn't even that successful, but either way, this was our final version. The big complaint was obviously the format, specifically the format ruining potential rematches or hyped matches -- the biggest example being a potential CT vs LTTP rematch, ironically enough.

The last big pre-contest note was the introduction of Geolocation. It allowed us to see vote totals from specific parts of the world, aka "Asia has better taste than everyone else". It also sparked a rather annoying fad in which people in the stats topic blamed Europe for everything.

Thankfully, the arguing did eventually stop and we had our first game contest in five years. And thank god, because even a bad format game contest turned out awesome.

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plasmabeam | Posted 6/5/2009 11:06:41 PM | message detail

KH2 deserves some major props.

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paulg235 | Posted 6/5/2009 11:07:06 PM | message detail

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Anagram | Posted 6/5/2009 11:08:13 PM | message detail

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Meeks54 | Posted 6/5/2009 11:08:54 PM | message detail

Lets see if he is as unbias as last time. Cause that was a thrill.
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Heroic Hyatt | Posted 6/5/2009 11:10:33 PM | message detail

I still say GH/RB should have made the field, but the split obviously prevented this.
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ZenOfThunder | Posted 6/5/2009 11:12:16 PM | message detail

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Big Bob | Posted 6/5/2009 11:12:19 PM | message detail

But it's Europe's fault Punch-Out lost!
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plasmabeam | Posted 6/5/2009 11:12:47 PM | message detail

Soul Calibur > Super Smash Brothers

I was totally unaware of this. Terrible change, especially considering SC2 would have performed worlds better.

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fortybelowsummer | Posted 6/5/2009 11:15:22 PM | message detail

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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/5/2009 11:18:01 PM | message detail

I'm also only going to focus on what was interesting in each match.

Man, we're in for a boat load of short write-ups!
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/5/2009 11:30:35 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | Posted: 6/6/2009 1:18:01 AM | #016
I'm also only going to focus on what was interesting in each match.

Man, we're in for a boat load of short write-ups!

Lies. I'm a windbag.

1972-1988 Round 1: Donkey Kong vs Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!! vs Space Invaders vs Tetris

Donkey Kong - 22715 [19.82%]
Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!! - 20482 [17.87%]
Space Invaders - 9925 [8.66%]
Tetris - 61488 [53.65%]
Total Votes - 114610

The contest started with a heavily debated match between Donkey Kong and Punch-Out, and we quickly learned SFF or LFF or whatever FF you want to pin on four-ways would not be as big an issue as initially predicted.

Tetris was obviously going to murder this match, and Space Invaders was obviously going to get destroyed -- old-school SFF and just generally being weak can do that -- so the true fight here was between Donkey Kong and Punch-Out. Though there was a pretty even split here, the basic idea revolved around LFF. Either Donkey Kong would get LFFd by Tetris and be stronger than Punch-Out anyway, or Punch-Out would stick out like a sore thumb and score second place due to... sticking out like a sore thumb. It's a debate you can repeat for nearly any four-way match, but it was meaningful here. DK and Tetris are probably more "Nintendo" than Punch-Out, so it was reasonable to think Punch-Out could benefit from not only this, but hype from the Wii version of Punch-Out artificially inflating the original's strength.

In the beginning, this poll was very close and unpredictable. DK and Punch-Out fought a very close duel in the early parts of the poll, but DK eventually seized a small portion of control and built a 100 vote lead once the madness of the first hour ended. DK then pulled a typical "slowly build a lead as the other game stalls you a bunch" thing overnight, before losing 300 votes in something like 3 updates once the morning vote hit.

This of course started all the "DK is a choker, knew this was going to happen" stuff, so naturally Donkey Kong went on to easily win a match when everyone expected him to lose. That's just how DK rolls. He lost his whole lead when the morning vote began, then started exploding. The only reason people continued paying attention beyond DK's second wind is because everyone always expects DK to choke a close match away, but nope. Not this time. Donkey Kong of all games turned a close match into a fairly easy 53-47 win. Close, but not a nailbiter.

Now despite DK winning this match, I truly do think Donkey Kong is more prone to old school Nintendo SFF than Punch-Out at the hands of something like Tetris. The problem here is Punch-Out is plain weak. I doubt this result changes if you held it even right now, after the release of the most recent Punch-Out. Not even a sports game (which is basically what Punch-Out is) can take full advantage of the DK Chokes-A-Lot Factor.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/5/2009 11:30:48 PM | message detail

That's good for tonight, I think.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/5/2009 11:56:42 PM | message detail

Actually come to think of it, Leon has a good point. Plus I don't want this to take as long as it normally does.
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Anagram | Posted 6/6/2009 12:08:26 AM | message detail

Ulti: he never gives less than his best.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/6/2009 12:18:34 AM | message detail

Alright, one more quickie before I go to sleep:

1972-1988 Round 1: Mega Man 2 vs Pac-Man vs Pong vs The Oregon Trail

Mega Man 2 - 40964 [34.79%]
Pac-Man - 32090 [27.25%]
Pong - 19475 [16.54%]
The Oregon Trail - 25220 [21.42%]
Total Votes - 117749

A big debate heading into this contest was Tetris vs Mega Man. Personally, I contend Tetris is a part of the holy grail of NES-era games that would just destroy and annihilate anything else from this era -- along with Final Fantasy, Mario 1, Mario 3 and Zelda 1. Others believe a couple of the Mega Man games are also deserving of this tier, but this debate thankfully ended on the second day of the contest.

Before getting into Mega Man 2, the Pac-Man/Pong/Oregon Trail triumvirate was a decent pre-contest debate. Thanks to L-Block's run in 2007, people will always try finding the next L-Block. That one entrant capable of a mid-contest joke rally that shocks everyone. The Oregon Trail, along with Battletoads, were the obvious candidates this contest. Both are huge 4chan fad titles, and Oregon Trail especially was played by everyone in grade school.

For two and a half hours, Oregon Trail was a legitimate threat here. It had no chance of winning this particular match, but potential joke rallies only need to advance once or twice to get momentum and internet bandwagon rallies going. Oregon Trail stayed neck and neck with the favored Pac-Man, before ultimately and wholly collapsing. The Oregon Trail, for all of its potential, could not keep up with Pac-Man more than a few hours and we saw this contest's L-Block dead in its first match.

Pac-Man would go on to a very respectable second place finish, Oregon Trail to a decent enough third place, and even Pong didn't do too badly for being in last. Given how badly some other last place games did this contest, Pong's 16.54% was not a bad score at all.

Oddly enough, the only game in this poll that looked bad was Mega Man 2. When some expect you to contend with Tetris (and Tetris is no slouch), you don't go out and score 56% on Pac-Man. 56% on Pac-Man cannot be explained away by any LFF cop-outs, especially given Metroid nearly broke 70% on Pac-Man in 2004. The same Metroid that was SFF skull-****ed by Mario 3 that year.

Mario 3 SFFd Metroid, which might have SFFd Pac-Man, and Mega Man 2 goes out and only scores 56% on the twice-SFFd latter? And then it was supposed to go out and beat Tetris? I can understand defending something so silly pre-contest with fanboyism, but guys like Black Turtle and Lopen were trying to believe in MM2 > Tetris even after this match. You guys are officially on crack, and I'm even a giant Mega Man fan along with you guys. No matter how you slice it, Mega Man 2 looked really bad here.

It would also get worse for Mega Man before this contest was over. Way, way worse.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/6/2009 12:18:53 AM | message detail

From: Anagram | Posted: 6/6/2009 2:08:26 AM | #020
Ulti: he never gives less than his best.

Sarcasm or not, I try :D
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/6/2009 12:21:46 AM | message detail

Wait a sec, is that Anagram posting on his main account?!

WELCOME BACK (for a day)
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Anagram | Posted 6/6/2009 12:33:55 AM | message detail

Bah, I say to you. I can last several days if I need to.
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AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 6/6/2009 12:38:44 AM | message detail

Tag for Ulti's useful opinions
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Denzokuken | Posted 6/6/2009 4:35:07 AM | message detail

taggage

greatone10 | Posted 6/6/2009 5:16:43 AM | message detail

Also, these two matches were the root of the whole Geolocation fever that the stats topic had for quite a while, as both Punch Out and Oregon Trail won in America, but lost the match due to their lack of international presence, especially for the Oregon Trail which was the worst fodder ever outside of America.
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voltch | Posted 6/6/2009 5:22:06 AM | message detail

tag.
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Gaddswell | Posted 6/6/2009 5:28:50 AM | message detail

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Biolizard28 | Posted 6/6/2009 5:33:29 AM | message detail

Board-wise, Street Fighter 4 replacing TWEWY was quite the board explosion, for obvious fad reasons. The topic for this request wasn't even that successful

Not that successful? A majority of the votes were Pro-TWEWY!
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espio4000 | Posted 6/6/2009 5:34:47 AM | message detail

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Gaddswell | Posted 6/6/2009 5:35:15 AM | message detail

Hence why it wasn't that successful!

More folks wanted TWEWY than SF4.
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Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 6/6/2009 5:38:42 AM | message detail

TWEWY got replaced by SF4???Come on people what were you thinking???
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mentalmike | Posted 6/6/2009 5:39:56 AM | message detail

*tag*
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Biolizard28 | Posted 6/6/2009 6:43:23 AM | message detail

But saying "not that successful" is a huge understatement!
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th3l3fty | Posted 6/6/2009 8:43:30 AM | message detail

I'm pretty sure Bacon only looked at the reasoning and the number of posts when replacing stuff. >_>
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/6/2009 12:19:36 PM | message detail

From: Biolizard28 | Posted: 6/6/2009 8:43:23 AM | #036
But saying "not that successful" is a huge understatement!

Pretty much. I'm stunned that topic was a success, but something like DMC > Disgaea wasn't.
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 6/6/2009 12:25:17 PM | message detail

Tagged. My first ever PCA, I'm not going to miss it, no way, no how!

Plus, a bump always does wonders for good topics.

XxSoulxX | Posted 6/6/2009 12:33:27 PM | message detail

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The Real Truth | Posted 6/6/2009 12:35:55 PM | message detail

I've had more fun with The Oregon Trail than with Mega Man 2.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/6/2009 12:51:27 PM | message detail

1972-1988 Round 1: Duck Hunt vs Galaga vs Ninja Gaiden vs Super Mario Brothers

Duck Hunt - 12185 [10.61%]
Galaga - 7195 [6.26%]
Ninja Gaiden - 14455 [12.58%]
Super Mario Brothers - 81024 [70.54%]
Total Votes - 114859

We've seen pretty much every type of SFF possible in contests, until this very match. For the first time ever, we got to see Same Cartridge SFF. In a transitive world, Mario Brothers > Duck Hunt > Ninja Gaiden would have been easy. Duck Hunt proved itself reasonably strong in 2004, and any Ninja Gaiden has completely and utterly stunk it up in every single poll it's ever been in. Ever. Look it up yourself if need be.

The problem here is Duck Hunt got stuck with the worst possible opponent in Mario 1, but a lot of people still thought it would retain an original audience and beat Ninja Gaiden anyway. NG is seriously that bad in any poll you look at, barring Ryu Hayabusa's character battle results.

The match began, and Duck Hunt had a small lead for 30 minutes. But then Ninja Gaiden came back, built up its own lead and the match was effectively over after the first hour was up. It wasn't Ninja Gaiden's strength so much as it was Mario completely dominating the poll. Mario stole all the votes, which is especially crippling to something like Duck Hunt, and there was simply nothing left over for Duck Hunt to make a move with. At times overnight, Mario was only leaving 50 votes per update for the other three games to work with. You can't mount comebacks that way.

The morning vote was even worse for Duck Hunt, because as Mario went up, Duck Hunt went down. This match ended the moment Ninja Gaiden made it close, because Duck Hunt leeching Mario 1 and staging a comeback is an impossible task. Mario 1's dominance of this poll was nearly the best of the entire contest, but the fourpack Mario 3 got placed in was even funnier. But hats off to Mario anyway, because 70% in a fourway is no joke.

By the way, make no mistake here. This match was decided entirely by Duck Hunt's weakness at the hands of Mario, and it would flatten Ninja Gaiden in a better situation. Beating a Same Cartridge-SFFd Duck Hunt isn't some monumental task and it did not prove Ninja Gaiden had any strength whatsoever, as round two went on to prove.

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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 6/6/2009 12:57:28 PM | message detail

I demand that one of the matches provides an official definition for the term Turbofodder. This contest had quite possibly the weakest 4way entrants EVER, and they might even be a challenge to Tanner for the title of weakest entrant ever. Lots of laughing at how pathetic some entrants were is necessary, even though the games were very good.

red sox 777 | Posted 6/6/2009 1:00:21 PM | message detail

BT coined the term "turbofodder," and I don't think it really caught on.
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voltch | Posted 6/6/2009 1:14:40 PM | message detail

that match is another reason 4 way sucks,the format knocks out the popular games by having a huge LFF fest,not that it stopped us from having a zelda game in every quarter.
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 6/6/2009 1:15:37 PM | message detail

Good point. Then again, the absolutely disastrous performance of some of the games NEEDS a special term. Calling them fodder is an insult to the Earthworm Jim's, CATS, and Laharl's of the world. Maybe Neo-Tanners? They certainly had the disastrous performances to back it up.

XxSoulxX | Posted 6/6/2009 1:18:29 PM | message detail

that match is another reason 4 way sucks,the format knocks out the popular games by having a huge LFF fest,not that it stopped us from having a zelda game in every quarter.

Hell no! Unpredictability is what these contests have been missing for years. I've officially joined the 4-ways bandwagon after this contest.
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 6/6/2009 1:21:31 PM | message detail

"Hell no! Unpredictability is what these contests have been missing for years. I've officially joined the 4-ways bandwagon after this contest."

Kinda-sorta this. I think we need one 1v1 contest and one 4way contest each year. I wanna see if the near elites can defeat the lower rungs of the noble nine, and Mario winning another non-Clinkeroth bracket would be awesome, but stuff like seeing my boy SM64 go far and defeat everything short of *grumble*Link to the goddamn Past*grumble* was incredible. IMO, we could use both. A 1v1 64 character bracket with four divisions and a ToC in the end, and a 4way with 128 characters, one in the summer, and the other one in the winter sounds like a plan.

WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 6/6/2009 1:22:17 PM | message detail

The first division results make me wish Metroid 1 and something like Oregon Trail had swapped spots.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/6/2009 1:23:20 PM | message detail

1972-1988 Round 1: Dragon Warrior 3 vs Contra vs Metroid vs The Legend of Zelda

Dragon Warrior 3 - 8729 [7.4%]
Contra - 14989 [12.7%]
Metroid - 21985 [18.63%]
The Legend of Zelda - 72325 [61.28%]
Total Votes - 118028

The Legend of Zelda was expected to kill this match (which it obviously did), but it was also expected to kill Metroid so badly that Contra could sneak into second place. Zelda in general might not have gone Mario 1 and broke 70%, but this was a very impressive performance nonetheless. If I recall, Zelda 1 > Mario 1 was the consensus pick in future rounds. This poll really did nothing to prove otherwise. I forget the exact stats charmander posted in the stats topic, but the Mario 1 > Duck Hunt SFF compared with the Zelda > Metroid SFF here meant something like a 52-48 win for Zelda. This whole thing became more clear once Mario 1 got the chance at crushing Donkey Kong like a beer can, but more on that later.

Metroid did exactly what it was supposed to do here. It got crushed by SFF and scored 23% on Zelda --- it got something like 21% on Mario 3 in 2004, if you recall --- so this is exactly what we all thought Metroid would get.

So, easy pickings for Contra, right?

Yeah, what the hell happened to Contra here? Either it just completely sucks these days, it too is subject to some heavy Nintendo SFF, or the 2004 stats are completely wrong. Probably a mix of all three, though I lean to the former. Contra was the first in a long, long line of casual shooters to disappoint based on expectations. Losing is one thing, but it didn't bother showing up.

Another good theory to explore here is Nintendo LFF not mattering quite as much as initially expected, which pops up over and over again in future matches. It's rare to see a consensus pick bomb this badly, and Board 8 bracket people have a big ego about this sort of thing. Clearly something weird was going on <_<

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KamikazePotato | Posted 6/6/2009 1:38:31 PM | message detail

I still think everyone should've seen that one coming. Contra is like...nonexistent these days.

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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 6/6/2009 1:41:04 PM | message detail

I can get behind that. I mean, it was BIG way back when, but now, who cares about it? Nobody would give a damn about Contra 5 if it were released today. It's not like it failed to make the jump like Sonic did, it just faded from prominence due to not releasing new games with any sort of consistency.

Applekidjosh | Posted 6/6/2009 1:51:29 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #051
I still think everyone should've seen that one coming. Contra is like...nonexistent these days.

really? maybe it's just among my friends, but we make jokes about contra, or the konami code (which is synonymous with Contra for most people) all the time. And we've never played any contra games after the first.

ah well. Tag.

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voltch | Posted 6/6/2009 2:46:02 PM | message detail

maybe there is a difference between the contra games,but konami and capcom really suffered with their 2nd tier stuff,guess they really can't hang around the big stuff.
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Majin Lou | Posted 6/6/2009 4:25:52 PM | message detail

Tag.
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greatone10 | Posted 6/6/2009 5:44:53 PM | message detail

I never got the logic for Contra over Metroid. You expect Legend of Zelda to SFF the hell out of Metroid, but apparently there is some fanbase out there that has played Contra, but has never played a Zelda game in their life, much less the one that's on the same console. All old NES games except the heavy hitters like Zelda 1, Marios, and Tetris may as well share the same fanbase, and that is why Contra was never going to beat Metroid in any environment.
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Not even 10%? What is wrong with you people? At least SMRPG and Goldeneye moved on.

LeonhartFour | Posted 6/6/2009 5:46:51 PM | message detail

Unpredictability is what these contests have been missing for years. I've officially joined the 4-ways bandwagon after this contest.

Yeah, but good matches is what this format has been missing after the first year.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/6/2009 6:14:18 PM | message detail

1989-1991 Round 1: Castlevania 3 vs Civilization vs Sonic the Hedgehog vs Street Fighter 2

Castlevania 3 - 10637 [9.56%]
Civilization - 111624 [10.45%]
Sonic the Hedgehog - 49383 [44.41%]
Street Fighter 2 - 39565 [35.58%]
Total Votes - 111209

Of these three polls, which loser is the most impressive?

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1610
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1638
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1637

Street Fighter 2, right? Sonic 2 was embarrassed at the hands of Mario World, and Mario RPG was similarly embarrassed at the hands of Chrono Trigger. Now you'd think a game that goes 43-57 against Mario RPG could beat a game out getting SFFd half to death, but this Street Fighter 2 we're talking about. Street Fighter is quickly joining the Halo/GTA list of things to never ever trust in contests, as evidenced by this match.

Now this isn't to say Street Fighter was some heavy favorite, because there was a good case to be made for Sonic. An SFF beating at the hands of Mario World doesn't tell us much, and GameFAQs doesn't care about any fighting game not named Smash Brothers. Stop denying it, because it's true.

But even with the nagging feeling Sonic could do something here, Street Fighter 2 ended up the consensus pick because of the format. Games don't = characters, but it's impossible to ignore how badly Sonic characters have all sucked in the past two fourway character contests. Every single one of them, especially Sonic himself. In 2007, Sonic nearly lost to Squall twice. Then in 2008, he laid one of the biggest contest eggs of all time and not only lost to Kirby, but let Kirby walk all over him from start to finish. It was never close. Sonic's characters couldn't so squat in this format, but his games might be strong? Street Fighter 2 might not be some contest legend, but surely it could beat a game whose characters have all sucked it up in this format, right?

Then the match actually started, and it was Super Mario RPG > Street Fighter 2 all over again, right down to the "OMG SF2 LOST?!" whining. Only this time, Street Fighter 2 didn't build up a lead only to lose. Sonic ran all over Street Fighter right from the opening bell, and it was never a match en route to Sonic's easy win here. The simple explanation is to credit Sonic games as being stronger than the characters, but the simple truth is GameFAQs does not and will not ever care about fighting games. It's been proven time and time again, though this match does bring up an interesting point about voters giving respect to a series' progenitor. We've actually seen this before with stuff like Final Fantasy and the original Zelda being strong despite people not liking them too much, but the original Sonic never got a chance to prove itself until this beating of SF2.

Also of note here, for once, is that the weaker games gave us a good match. Castlevania 3 led Civilization for a good two hours before collapsing, which is a damn shame. Castlevania 3 is a brilliant game, but Symphony of the Night truly is the only game in that series with any strength. Some people actually blamed Castlevania 3 for Street Fighter's loss here, which is about as out of this world as it gets.

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Big Bob | Posted 6/6/2009 7:24:53 PM | message detail

I played the demo of SSFIITHDR, and...man, Street Fighter is slow and clunky. Smash Bros. characters are a lot more mobile, and rather than memorizing the game's combos, you create your own with the attacks you have. And I only played Street Fighter IV once, and it felt really slow and clunky as well. I couldn't stand it.

Soul Calibur II is the only other fighting game I've ever gotten into, though Blazblue this summer looks like it'll be nice.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/6/2009 8:54:56 PM | message detail

but the simple truth is GameFAQs does not and will not ever care about fighting games.

Smash Bros. not a fighting game confirmed
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 6/6/2009 9:10:11 PM | message detail

'Course it's not a simple fighting game. It's a mascot fighter. Hell, it pretty much created that genre, after all.

UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/6/2009 9:24:30 PM | message detail

GameFAQs doesn't care about any fighting game not named Smash Brothers.

Good job, Leon.
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greatone10 | Posted 6/6/2009 9:29:48 PM | message detail

Mario Kart is not a racing game, it's a party game.
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Not even 10%? What is wrong with you people? At least SMRPG and Goldeneye moved on.

KamikazePotato | Posted 6/6/2009 9:47:21 PM | message detail

SFII losing in that match still stuns me. What a bomb.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/6/2009 10:04:13 PM | message detail

1989-1991 Round 1: SimCity vs Super Mario Brothers 3 vs Tecmo Super Bowl vs Secret of Monkey Island

SimCity - 10441 [8.86%]
Super Mario Brothers 3 - 89416 [75.85%]
Tecmo Super Bowl - 6558 [5.56%]
Secret of Monkey Island - 11468 [9.73%]
Total Votes - 117883

Even though this match had a decent fight for second place, this was all about witnessing the raw power of Mario 3. We may never again see a perfect storm of strength as circumstance as we did here, because breaking 75% in a poll should be nearly impossible. To do this, you need to be against three entrants that you're able to hold around 12% all at the same time. It's tough to appreciate what Mario 3 did here given it lost to Mario World twice and barely survived losing to it thrice, but breaking 75% in a fourway poll is insane.

But in fairness, Mario did this because the competition flat-out sucked. Not one of these games deserved to even make the contest, let alone place and get to the second round. But one of them had to pull it off, and oddly enough this was the perfect spot for those freaks who always help Guybrush get up to 12%.

SimCity was actually the consensus the score second place here due to everyone having played it at one point or another, and it played its part early on. It more or less dominated the poll for three hours (as well as one can "dominate" while first place is on its way to scoring 75%, anyway) and built up a 300 vote lead. But then the Europe block kicked in, and SimCity's entire lead disappeared in about two hours before Monkey Island clinched the match with the morning vote. It was up for good by the time SimCity started stalling again, but a more accurate description is Mario 3 destroyed the poll so easily that no one could really make a move here, a la Duck Hunt losing to Ninja Gaiden.

Monkey Island finally winning one was good and all, but let's be serious. It would probably lose to all but a handful of games in this bracket.

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TheOceIot | Posted 6/6/2009 10:15:41 PM | message detail

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/7/2009 2:22:37 PM | message detail

1989-1991 Round 1: Battletoads vs Final Fantasy vs Prince of Persia vs Super Mario World

Battletoads - 18816 [13.85%]
Final Fantasy - 49958 [36.76%]
Prince of Persia - 4916 [3.62%]
Super Mario World - 62209 [45.78%]
Total Votes - 135899

Rarely do I care about the losers in 4way matches, but they were notable here. Though Prince of Persia might not end up last in the stats, I'm calling it this contest's Tanner anyway. It barely broke 3.5% in a four-way poll, which is pretty legendary in the futility department. Did anyone even know this game existed before this bracket? I figured it was a PS2 series or something. It surely performed like a game no one knew about, that's for sure.

The other loser of note was obviously Battletoads. Its votes didn't matter or anything, but to date, the pre-planned 4chan Battletoads rally is the only contest match Bacon has ever made a topic about. Not Mario 3's mysterious 50 vote update. Not Crono's final hour against Vincent. Not even Liquid's final update against Alucard. But Bacon will be damned if he doesn't tell us how 4chan's rally helped Battletoads lose by 31,000 votes instead of 34,000 votes. Could Battletoads have been this contest's L-Block? Who knows, it was put into an impossible match at the beginning and had no time to bandwagon. Final Fantasy and Mario are almost rally-proof, and all 4chan really did was inflate the final vote total.

Speaking of Mario World and Final Fantasy, this was about as ho-hum as a match gets. Final Fantasy broke 40% on Mario 3 in 2004, and it got something like 45% on Super Mario World here. This match did nothing to stem the growing round 3 Final Fantasy 4 > Mario World hype given how strong Mario 3 looked to this point, though if anything this match made FF1 look like a total monster capable of competing with FF4 outright. The Mario World that finished this contest was a whole different animal from where it began, because there was no reason to think World could get close to 3 based on the first round. Letting Final Fantasy break 45% on you is pretty bad, even if it was clear voters were giving extra respect to the first game in a series.

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XIII_rocks | Posted 6/7/2009 2:29:28 PM | message detail

Did anyone even know this game existed before this bracket? I figured it was a PS2 series or something.

Really?!
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Scott_Pilgrim | Posted 6/7/2009 2:38:28 PM | message detail

How's this for a fodder match?

Battlefield 1942
Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem
F-Zero GX
Metroid Prime

Or how about this for character contest:

Klaymen
Mr. Bones
Samus (with Zero Suit pic)
The Nameless One

Or how's this for games:

Civilization IV
Company of Heroes
Half-Life 2
Rome: Total War

Aw yeah!

I kinda wish there'd be a contest full of matches like these. Sure no one would care but it'd still be fun to predict.

Btw I've got Metroid Prime > Battlefield, Samus > Nameless One, and Half Life > Civilization
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/7/2009 6:41:22 PM | message detail

Though Prince of Persia might not end up last in the stats, I'm calling it this contest's Tanner anyway.

Almost definitely gonna be Crystalis that ends up dead last in the stats. Either that or Lufia II.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/7/2009 8:01:37 PM | message detail

Well Prince of Persia has ended up on all three of IGN's Top 100 Games Lists, and always ahead of Final Fantasy VII, too.

Oh yeah, here's a full match of Nintendo fodder from early days.

Conker's Bad Fur Day
Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem
F-Zero GX
Paper Mario

And how about this:

Grand Theft Auto III
Halo: Combat Evolved
Metroid Prime
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic

And this for a games match:

Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
Deus Ex
Half-Life
Planescape: Torment

And this:

Command and Conquer
Star Fox 64
Total Annihilation
Warcraft II

hahahahahaha

Mr3790 | Posted 6/7/2009 8:51:27 PM | message detail

I refuse to miss this.; Tag.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 6/7/2009 8:59:10 PM | message detail

Man, I'd almost forgotten how poorly SMW did in Round 1.

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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/7/2009 11:03:24 PM | message detail

You know what, how about Pokemon running unhindered by other Nintendo options!

Chrono Cross
Half-Life
Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow
Planescape: Torment

Or super-fodder old-school

Bionic Commando
Elite
Mega Man 2
Pong

And I'd vote for Elite. I'd vote for Elite over more than half the games in the tourney, BTW.

UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/8/2009 1:21:34 AM | message detail

How would Galaga not be dead last in raw stats?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/8/2009 1:07:25 PM | message detail

Crystalis is based off of Final Fantasy IV, so it'll be pathetic in its own right.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 6/8/2009 1:09:58 PM | message detail

Here's what I came up with for bottom 10:

119 Shining Force II 6.47%
120 Dragon Warrior III 6.07%
121 Phantasy Star IV 5.80%
122 Space Invaders 5.23%
123 Galaga 5.07%
124 Gunstar Heroes 4.97%
125 Prince of Persia 4.93%
126 Tecmo Super Bowl 4.64%
127 Lufia II 4.59%
128 Crystalis 3.84%
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/8/2009 3:54:47 PM | message detail

I didn't realize how bad Crystalis did until I went back and looked. Jeez.

1989-1991 Round 1: Crystalis vs Final Fantasy 4 vs Mega Man 3 vs River City Ransom

Crystalis - 4413 [4%]
Final Fantasy 4 - 55883 [50.65%]
Mega Man 3 - 38944 [35.29%]
River City Ransom - 11102 [10.06%]
Total Votes - 110342

This was about as ho-hum obvious as a match could possibly get, and it didn't tell us much of anything unless you wanted to make a bunch of FF1 vs FF4 comparisons and give Mega Man 3 some hope for future rounds. Or more specifically, delude yourself into thinking Mega Man 2 could still beat Tetris. Though in fairness, I'm sure if you did something weird like put FF4 as 55% of FF1's 2004 strength, then assume Tetris wasn't SFFd that year, you could probably get Mega Man 2 > Tetris. Not like it matters, since this was decided in due time.

Worth noting here is the FF1 > FF4 hype more or less died here. Scoring 50% in a fourway poll is not the easiest task, and it would take some insane SFF from here to get FF1 ahead. Thankfully, this was all decided in round 2. Mega Man also had a decent enough performance for this one round, though this shut the door on some of the crazy talk of FF4 and 1 splitting badly enough to sneak Mega Man 3 into second place. This was impossible.

I can't make much more out of such a predictable match, so I'll just whine about Crystalis. Crystalis is the best game none of you have played yet. Any random idiot can access NES games by now, so get to it! It truly is a masterpiece, and it deserved much better than a potential last place X-stats finish.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 6/8/2009 3:59:25 PM | message detail

I'll play Crystalis...eventually.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/8/2009 4:27:46 PM | message detail

1992-1994 Round 1: Gunstar Heroes vs Sonic the Hedgehog 3 vs Super Mario Kart vs Super Metroid

Gunstar Heroes - 6146 [5.25%]
Sonic the Hedgehog 3 - 28420 [24.29%]
Super Mario Kart - 41133 [35.16%]
Super Metroid - 41287 [35.29%]
Total Votes - 116986

Now THIS was a match. But before delving into the obvious, Sonic 3 deserves a mention for how badly it bombed here. A lot of people expected Sonic 3 to place in a match or two, and perhaps be the strongest of the three Genesis Sonic games this contest. Knuckles is the fan favorite of the series, and Sonic 3 always does well in favorite Sonic polls and board contests. But when Sonic 3 was put into its very first match, it sucked. There's no way of sugarcoating this. Two SNES games clearly splitting votes each broke 35%. That's embarrassing if you're expected to be strong, and this in turn made Street Fighter 2 and Sonic 1 look like complete crap.

As for the part of this match that mattered, it was a barn-burner softened only by the format. With both games guaranteed to advance no matter what, the typical tension seen in close matches wasn't really there.

In fact early on, there was nothing happening here at all. Super Metroid built up a 600 vote lead on Mario Kart overnight, and all the chatter about this match was how badly Sonic 3 was sucking it up. The match was close, but Super Metroid didn't exactly look uncomfortable. Then the dead night and morning votes hit, and it was on. Mario Kart chipped away at Super Metroid's lead all the way until the DSV (during school vote) started, and pushed Super Metroid's lead below 200. Super Metroid recovered during this time, but the game winning the morning vote usually catches fire during the after school vote, to the tune of swinging a couple thousand votes sometimes.

Except this time, something really weird happened. Super Metroid looked like it would recover and easily win the DSV, but it was actually Mario Kart that made a push here. Once Metroid pushed its lead to 250, Mario Kart pushed back and used the DSV to get the lead down to 0. With winning the morning vote and DSV, it looked like Mario Kart would rock the entirety of the day vote and win this going away.

But nope, this match was completely backwards. It was actually Super Metroid rocking the ASV, and it slowly built its lead back up to 270. It looked like Super Metroid had the match won here, but... nope. The second half of the very ASV Metroid was winning went in Mario Kat's favor, and it back to even by 6. This was about the weirdest close match ever, with trends going totally backwards from conventional wisdom. Metroid only won half the night, lost the dead hours and morning vote, blew the DSV, then... won the first half of the ASV? Before Mario Kart took the ASV's second half? Really, really strange.

Metroid flew out to a 100 vote lead from here, but Mario Kart again came storming back to even things. The match stayed virtually deadlocked within 50 votes for a couple hours, but then the evening vote hit and Metroid made yet another move. It pushed itself out to a 250 vote lead by 11, and given how easily Metroid got its initial lead out to 600, it finally looked like this match was over. Yet inexplicably, Mario Kart won the final hour by 100 votes. Super Metroid won the match on paper, but this would be one hell of a 1v1 match after all the nonsense these two pulled on each other.

UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/8/2009 4:27:51 PM | message detail

There were of course a lot of cheating accusations, and given Bacon's topic during Battletoads of all things, we all expected a word from him. But nope. Nothing. Either this was legit, or Bacon doesn't care about telling us the numbers are or are not legit for every close match. I'm leaning toward the latter, though I've been told several times in private cheating is next to impossible these days. I'd love to believe this, but that Mario 3/Zelda 1 50 vote spike makes you wonder.

This was a wonderful match that would have been a perfect 1v1 duel, but we'll take what we can get in a contest devoid of successful comeback attempts. As for what this tells us, Nintendo games are just whacky. There's no explanation for how some games split 80-20, but others go 50-50. I also think this cemented Super Mario Kart's status as the strongest Mario Kart title, though I think some might argue in 64's favor there.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 6/8/2009 5:02:04 PM | message detail

I would definitely take 64>SMK.

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Scott_Pilgrim | Posted 6/8/2009 5:08:19 PM | message detail

Conker's Bad Fur Day
Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem
F-Zero GX
Paper Mario

And how about this:

Grand Theft Auto III
Halo: Combat Evolved
Metroid Prime
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic

And this for a games match:

Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
Deus Ex
Half-Life
Planescape: Torment

And this:

Command and Conquer
Star Fox 64
Total Annihilation
Warcraft II

Paper Mario > GX, Metroid Prime > KotoR, Star Fox 64 > Warcraft II
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/8/2009 7:43:57 PM | message detail

Eternal Darkness would probably be turbofodder, given its horrid sales and lack of name value. Please tell me if making up matches is getting annoying, but, here are some more.

Grand Theft Auto: Vice City
Ico
Kingdom Hearts
Metroid Prime

Civilization III
Disgaea: Hour of Darkness
Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem
Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time

LeonhartFour | Posted 6/8/2009 8:32:14 PM | message detail

and Sonic 3 always does well in favorite Sonic polls and board contests.

No, Sonic & Knuckles does. Sonic 3 barely beats Sonic 1 in favorite Sonic polls.

Mario Kart 64 > Super Mario Kart, by the way
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/8/2009 9:54:13 PM | message detail

1992-1994 Round 1: Donkey Kong Country vs Doom vs Streets of Rage 2 vs Zelda: LTTP

Donkey Kong Country - 21336 [18.01%]
Doom - 20768 [17.53%]
Streets of Rage 2 - 9723 [8.21%]
Zelda: A Link to the Past - 66620 [56.24%]
Total Votes - 118447

The conventional wisdom for this match was obvious: Zelda was supposed to SFF Donkey Kong to hell and back -- remember in 2004, Donkey Kong scored 13% on Zelda 1 and there was no reason to believe this match would be much different -- and Doom was supposed to win second place by default.

Obviously, only half of this happened. Donkey Kong Country went out and scored 25% on Zelda. Better than 13%, but still an SFF beating. The problem here obviously is that while Donkey Kong Country more or less sucked, Doom sucked worse. Donkey Kong quite literally tried choking this match away twice, and Doom could not capitalize despite being in the perfect situation to win.

I could give credit to DK for blowing leads of 460 and 300 but still surviving with the ASV, but... no. DK choked (as usual), Doom just choked worse. A lot of casual shooters underperformed in this contest, but Doom perhaps disappointed us the most. You'll be hard-pressed to find a contest entrant blow a better opportunity than this one. Beating an SFFd Donkey Kong with nothing standing in your way is just bad, and a long way off from its 2004 days. Not that beating EarthBound and getting blown out by FF6 is any accomplishment, but it still should have been stronger than an SFFd Donkey Kong. DK was the very pioneer of SFF.

Even though DK got its brains beaten in by Zelda, this match helped contribute to a growing trend of leeching not skewing the results as much as we thought. This was supposed to be an easy win for Doom, but DK won instead. Mario Kart and Super Metroid didn't split at all. Et cetera. It's almost like natural strength played as big a part as leeching in this contest. Who know?

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KamikazePotato | Posted 6/8/2009 9:55:55 PM | message detail

Damnit, Doom. I took you to Round 3!

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AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 6/8/2009 10:47:38 PM | message detail

I missed it, but this match said nothing important about LttP's eventual strength?
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RPGGamer0 | Posted 6/8/2009 11:16:05 PM | message detail

Who know?

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/8/2009 11:19:03 PM | message detail

From: AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted: 6/9/2009 12:47:38 AM | #091
I missed it, but this match said nothing important about LttP's eventual strength?

Do SFF matches really tell you anything? Especially a Zelda SFFing something?
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AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 6/9/2009 12:34:38 AM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #093
Do SFF matches really tell you anything? Especially a Zelda SFFing something?

I'm not saying it does, but people usually make a big deal out of it anyways, and it's just weird to not see any mention of the game that got over 50% of the vote other than that it SFF'd other stuff
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DarthPesmerga | Posted 6/9/2009 12:50:17 AM | message detail

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Jokeman18 | Posted 6/9/2009 12:58:15 AM | message detail

sure i'll tag this, i dunno why though because i've sucked at these contests for the past 6 years anyway :)

Jangalian11 | Posted 6/9/2009 1:03:23 AM | message detail

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/9/2009 1:03:49 AM | message detail

Well I have 6 matches to talk about LTTP :D
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/9/2009 2:36:18 AM | message detail

1992-1994 Round 1: Final Fantasy 6 vs Mega Man X vs Phantasy Star 4 vs Zelda: Link's Awakening

Final Fantasy 6 - 45319 [40.05%]
Mega Man X - 27871 [24.63%]
Phantasy Star 4 - 4493 [3.97%]
Zelda: Link's Awakening - 35477 [31.35%]
Total Votes - 113160

Certain ho-hum matches tell you nothing you didn't already know, and others throw a monkey wrench into the whole system. The overwhelming consensus for this match was FF6 > MMX without much of a second thought thrown Zelda's way. Even after Mega Man 2 and 3 showed their early signs of weakness, Mega Man X would surely prove itself the strongest Mega Man game in the bracket and take care of business here. The true match after all was MMX vs Sonic 2 in the second round.

But as we all learned by the end of this contest, Zelda is no joke. yoblazer commented in the stats topic about Link's Awakening being a million seller twice and the beacon of handheld gaming before Pokemon came along. This actually makes a lot of sense. Link's Awakening kept the Game Boy going, and helped the Game Boy Color take off and take its place in the handheld market. Basically, those of us tossing Link's Awakening aside as some piddly handheld game set to roll over were being ridiculous.

And good god, were we ever. Mega Man X didn't even do that badly in the poll -- I'd even say this poll cements X's place as the strongest Mega Man game on this site -- but Link's Awakening was so much stronger it didn't matter. MMX was out of it from the opening, and for a small while Link's Awakening looked to threaten Final Fantasy 6, of all things. This died down and FF6 won first place with ease, but it was a fun five minutes.

From here the poll was rather simple, with the games doing nothing but trending percentages. But the message to be gleaned here was simple: Link's Awakening was legitimate, not a fluke, and was very underestimated pre-contest. LA's dominance of Mega Man X here not only cemented its place as a strong game, but guaranteed it would make the third round as well. Sonic 2 had no chance against this monster.

The other thing of note is FF6 not looking all that good here. It ends up with a respectable 40%, but it was clearly not the same game that led Link to the Past until the morning vote. It still followed its path like a good little contest entrant, but all contest long it seemed way off from its 2004 days. And it all started with Link's Awakening opening our eyes to a new legitimate game in our midst.

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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/9/2009 4:26:18 AM | message detail

Some things to talk about those matches:

I, for one, did not like Donkey Kong Country beating DOOM. DOOM is a masterpiece that pioneered loads of PC technology and had a remarkably good atmosphere for that time, not to mention just about every big aspect about FPSs originated there, including multiplayer. DKC is very good, but it's just a generic platformer among all else. More generic than Super Mario.

Oh, and FF6, DOOM, and EarthBound were all in the same fourpack last time and all three of them bombed this contest. Any questions?

More crazy matches:

Donkey Kong Country
X-COM: UFO Defense
The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past

Fire Emblem: The Blazing Sword
F-Zero GX
Super Smash Bros. Melee
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker

I wonder who wins between FE: BS and F-ZGX.

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greatone10 | Posted 6/9/2009 4:49:36 AM | message detail

On the other hand, DKC was a much needed boost to the SNES to keep Nintendo going until the N64. Sure, Nintendo may have screwed that up, but to say DKC is nothing but an unimportant generic platformer is blasphemy.
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th3l3fty | Posted 6/9/2009 9:41:43 AM | message detail

DKC may have helped the SNES out, but that doesn't make it good!
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/9/2009 11:10:33 AM | message detail

It helped the SNES out because it WAS good!
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/9/2009 8:18:41 PM | message detail

Yeah, it was good all right; it just doesn't stand up with Mario games or even Sonic ones.

Big Bob | Posted 6/9/2009 8:24:21 PM | message detail

I never really got all the DKC love. It's a good game, just nothing that special.
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 6/9/2009 8:26:24 PM | message detail

DKC2 is the good one. I love pretty much every aspect of that game, from the fluid controls, fantastic music, fast-paced level design, and lots of fun secrets.
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UtarEmpire | Posted 6/9/2009 9:08:25 PM | message detail

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/10/2009 1:03:26 AM | message detail

1992-1994 Round 1: Mortal Kombat 2 vs Secret of Mana vs Shining Force 2 vs Sonic the Hedgehog 2

Mortal Kombat 2 - 32441 [30.1%]
Secret of Mana - 28106 [26.08%]
Shining Force 2 - 6998 [6.49%]
Sonic the Hedgehog 2 - 40222 [37.32%]
Total Votes - 107767

This was the first truly predictable match in the first round of this division, and it played out as such. There was minor support for a Secret of Mana upset per Chrono Trigger possibly SFFing it in 2004, and Secret of Mana was reasonably impressive in this match. At the very least, we can conclude Chrono Trigger scored a measure of SFF in 2004 on it. But in terms of the actual match, it played out as predicted from start to finish. Sonic 2 > Mortal Kombat 2 was a mortal lock, and the only thing the games were really fighting for here was percentage and momentum.

Sonic 2 may have won this particular match easily, but its performance here meant an easy loss at the hands of Link's Awakening in round 2. It needed to dominate this poll, and it simply did not. Sonic 2 was the third and final Sonic game we saw perform in this contest, and we could safely conclude the Sonic games were not up to par at all. 2 won this, but was clearly going to lose in round 2. 3 lost outright to Super Metroid/Super Mario Kart. 1, a game with a soft path to round 3, could conceivably get SFFd by Mario and also lose in round 2. Sonic games are simply not strong. That's all there is to say about it.

Mortal Kombat 2 actually replaced Street Fighter 2 [Long Subtitle], and performed fairly well. Not too good, not too bad, and a predictable second place. It was set up for an obvious loss in round 2, but this is still good given it was a last-second replacement in the bracket. It also helped prove something we've wondered for 5 years. In the 2004 raw stats, Mortal Kombat beats Sonic 2 52-48.

Here, Sonic 2 only beat Mortal Kombat 2 55-45. This isn't far from raw stat expectations per 2004. So either Sonic 2 wasn't SFFd by Mario World in 2004, or Sonic games just flat-out suck now. No sane person will still argue Sonic wasn't SFFd in 2004, so the conclusion here is obvious.

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Undeniable | Posted 6/10/2009 1:13:26 AM | message detail

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Ultimaphazon | Posted 6/10/2009 2:25:19 AM | message detail

That match has one of the craziest geolocation results of the whole contest.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3457&region=DE

Secret of Mana managing to double the 3 other games combined in Germany, aww yeah.
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WhakkoJacko | Posted 6/10/2009 3:13:03 AM | message detail

I swear it has to do with this commercial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vSCFjVy__M
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FinalFantasyTactics | Posted 6/10/2009 6:43:40 AM | message detail

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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3457&region=DE

This. This is why I take German.
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The Mana Sword | Posted 6/10/2009 7:02:00 AM | message detail

Germany best country ever
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/10/2009 7:56:24 AM | message detail

Secret of Mana and Shining Force II are too awesome to lose to Mortal Kombat II.

Another overrated game. At least it did something notable in the gaming industry. Here's how this division would go for me:

Super Metroid > Super Mario Kart (wouldn't mind the opposite, 'cuz IT'S FREAKING MARIO KART!!!)
Zelda: A Link to the Past > DOOM
Final Fantasy VI > Zelda: Link's Awakening
Sonic the Hedgehog 2 > Shining Force II (though SoM is quite close)

Zelda: A Link to the Past > Super Metroid (both very close in quality, definetely top 10 games for me)
Final Fantasy VI > Sonic the Hedgehog 2

Zelda: A Link to the Past > Super Metroid

Here's how it goes according to VGChartz' Top 100 List.

Super Metroid > Super Mario Kart
Zelda: A Link to the Past > Donkey Kong Country
Final Fantasy VI > ???
Secret of Mana > Sonic the Hedgehog 2

Zelda: A Link to the Past > Super Metroid
Final Fantasy VI > Secret of Mana

Final Fantasy VI > Zelda: A Link to the Past

And according to Empire Magazine:

Super Mario Kart > Super Metroid
DOOM > Zelda: A Link to the Past
??? > ???
??? > ???

DOOM > Super Mario Kart
??? > ???

DOOM > Super Mario Kart

KommunistKoala | Posted 6/10/2009 8:18:33 AM | message detail

Here's how it goes according to VGChartz' Top 100 List.

Super Metroid > Super Mario Kart
Zelda: A Link to the Past > Donkey Kong Country
Final Fantasy VI > ???
Secret of Mana > Sonic the Hedgehog 2

Zelda: A Link to the Past > Super Metroid
Final Fantasy VI > Secret of Mana

Final Fantasy VI > Zelda: A Link to the Past

And according to Empire Magazine:

Super Mario Kart > Super Metroid
DOOM > Zelda: A Link to the Past
??? > ???
??? > ???

DOOM > Super Mario Kart
??? > ???

DOOM > Super Mario Kart

Uh, who the hell cares?
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/10/2009 8:23:12 AM | message detail

4x4 bracket, 1 vs. 1, Best. PC Game. Ever.

Who wins between StarCraft and Half-Life 2?

Actually no, we'll count Fallout 3, Call of Duty 4, and the Halo games.

And yes I want the bracket divided by generation; I don't want to see Call of Duty 4 vs. Wolfenstein 3d in the first round please. If you can think about some good grudge matches though...here's what I can think of.

DOOM vs. Quake
Warcraft II vs. Command and Conquer
Total Annihilation vs. StarCraft
Age of Empires II vs. Warcraft III
Half-Life vs. Halo
Unreal Tournament vs. Counter-Strike
Baldur's Gate II vs. Diablo II
System Shock 2 vs. Deus Ex
Baldur's Gate vs. Planescape: Torment
Half-Life 2 vs. Halo 2
BioShock vs. Halo 3

etc. etc. etc.

KommunistKoala | Posted 6/10/2009 8:24:11 AM | message detail

Uh, who cares?
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KamikazePotato | Posted 6/10/2009 8:27:50 AM | message detail

lol Sonic

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Cybat | Posted 6/10/2009 9:41:15 AM | message detail

oh yeah, there had been a contest going on, huh

how about that
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 6/10/2009 10:01:08 AM | message detail

That match has one of the craziest geolocation results of the whole contest.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3457&region=DE

These are also crazy results as well:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3447&region=FI
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3447&region=SE

Wow, such godly performances from Mega Man 2 in Finland and Sweden.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/10/2009 6:49:01 PM | message detail

Yes, Mega Man 2 winning a couple of small countries when it got first place anyway is such a crazy Geo result.

1995-1997 Round 1: Donkey Kong Country 2 vs Goldeneye vs Resident Evil 2 vs Super Mario RPG

Donkey Kong Country 2 - 11400 [9.24%]
Goldeneye - 44398 [35.97%]
Resident Evil 2 - 28471 [23.07%]
Super Mario RPG - 39158 [31.73%]
Total Votes - 123427

First and foremost, this was a hyped rally tournament winner? I understand DKC2 was SFFd by Mario RPG here, but my goodness. Some people literally hyped this game's strength for five years in the stats topic. Kind of a dud.

As for the games with strength, this was a fairly debated match. Goldeneye > Mario RPG was the consensus, but some felt Goldeneye could SFF Mario enough to get Resident Evil 2 into second place. This obviously didn't happen, and if anything Goldeneye and Mario RPG operated independently of one another. Some called Goldeneye a flop during this match, but I think Mario RPG is just really strong. This also somewhat proved Chrono Trigger SFFd Mario RPG to a degree in 2004, but I don't think anyone really denied this. Mario RPG actually cut Goldeneye several times in this match, if you look at the updates.

Though RE2 lost here, I don't think this match proves it's some weak game. It did fairly well given the competition, and scored almost exactly the same % on Mario RPG that Street Fighter 2 did in 2004. RE2 vs Street Fighter 2 would probably be a really good match, but neither of them are ever beating Mario RPG. Nor should they, since Mario RPG is a vastly better game :D

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KamikazePotato | Posted 6/10/2009 7:02:41 PM | message detail

You'd think people would've learned after Diddy Kong.

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paulg235 | Posted 6/10/2009 7:05:16 PM | message detail

The NRT came before Diddy stunked up the joint.
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 6/10/2009 9:42:42 PM | message detail

Yes, Mega Man 2 winning a couple of small countries when it got first place anyway is such a crazy Geo result.

Mega Man 2 only had 34.79% overall, so I felt getting around 60% in 2 different countries was a crazy Geolocation result.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/11/2009 12:46:37 AM | message detail

1995-1997 Round 1: Final Fantasy 7 vs Mario Kart 64 vs Star Fox 64 vs Suikoden

Final Fantasy 7 - 70086 [55.05%]
Mario Kart 64 - 30009 [23.57%]
Star Fox 64 - 18469 [14.51%]
Suikoden - 8747 [6.87%]
Total Votes - 127311

Isn't it weird how Chrono Trigger is usually considered the cutoff point between old Square and new Square, yet FF7 was in a match before CT this contest?

This was our second stupidly easy match in a row, and it was all about Final Fantasy 7 dominance. It of course had the typical bad board vote, but rose to heaven all day and scored 55% against two fairly strong games, and scored nearly 90% on Suikoden individually. It scored 85% on Suikoden 2 in 2004, so FF7 looked as strong as ever this contest. By the end of the contest, even though FF7 eventually came in second place, we saw play out the sheer dominance FF7 and Ocarina of Time have over the rest of the field. Mario Kart 64 and Star Fox 64 aren't slugs by any means, but FF7 just mauled them. In the expected round by round comparison between FF7 and Ocarina, FF7 did better in every round and looked stronger as it went along.... until the one match that mattered most. But more on that when the time comes.

As for what happened other than FF7's dominance, Mario was pretty much a lock to outdo and SFF Fox here. And outdo and SFF Fox he did, predictably. That was what we knew the match would be about 2 seconds in, and there was nothing worth noting after said 2 seconds. Very few matches in this contest could be summed up in 10 words or less, but this was one of them. Moving on...

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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/11/2009 5:33:27 AM | message detail

Well, in the last contest CT's first match was before FF6's.

Resident Evil 2 vs. Street Fighter II aw yeah!

Oh, and Super Mario RPG vs. Sonic the Hedgehog. Who wins? I vote for Sonic.

Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 6/11/2009 6:33:28 AM | message detail

Nice Ulti.Hope you make the rest faster.And also LMS,Mario beats easily Sonic...
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greatone10 | Posted 6/11/2009 7:16:27 AM | message detail

I only surmise that DKC2 honorable mentioned the rally tournament not really based off the potential strength of the game, but the fact that it is that damn good and any tournament calling itself "Best Game Ever" without DKC2 in sight would be a misnomer.

Besides, I can at least claim it to be the strongest of all the sub 10% games, being SFFed by both Super Mario RPG and Goldeneye and it still pulled 9.25%. Not much of an accomplishment, but I would have liked to have seen it in a more balanced bracket where it's not stuck against two high midcard Nintendo/Rare games.

Besides, people like to mention Diddy Kong's bust like it was so big, but he wasn't even the biggest bust in that match, and it looks slightly more excusable considering what Kratos Aurion's game pulled later on in the first round.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/11/2009 8:06:54 PM | message detail

From: Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted: 6/11/2009 8:33:28 AM | #128
Nice Ulti.Hope you make the rest faster.

Same here, but I have company over tonight. Just a bump.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 6/11/2009 8:12:21 PM | message detail

SF64 deserved better, damnit!

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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/11/2009 8:29:12 PM | message detail

Some people literally hyped this game's strength for five years in the stats topic.

Anyone thinking it was going to be stronger than DKC1 was deluding themselves. I say this as someone who has DKC2 as one of their favorite games ever. It just wasn't going to happen.

In the expected round by round comparison between FF7 and Ocarina, FF7 did better in every round and looked stronger as it went along

I thought the consensus was that OoT looked better than FFVII in rounds one and two, while FFVII looked better in rounds 3-5.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 6/11/2009 8:30:12 PM | message detail

Yeah. R1 and R2 went to OoT, R3 and R4 and probably R5 went to FF7.

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Ngamer64 | Posted 6/11/2009 9:01:19 PM | message detail

Yeah, I scored it...

* R1 55% on MK64/SF64/Suik v 54% on FF9/HL1/Chrono Cross
Win for Ocarina (but very close).

* R2 47% on GE/Mario RPG/MK64 v 49% on FF8/SC/FF9
Win for Ocarina.

* R3 41% on Mario 64/CT/GE v 39% on Pokemon/MGS/FF8
Win for FF7.

* R4 40% on LttP/Mario 64/FF6 v 41% on FFX/Pokemon/Melee
Win for FF7 (but very close).

* R5 45% on LttP/Mario World/Mario 3 v 41% on FFX/MGS4/Brawl
Win for FF7.

In any case keep up the good work Ulti!

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xp1337 | Posted 6/11/2009 9:08:55 PM | message detail

Yeah, personally I saw it as:

Round 1: OoT
Round 2: OoT
Round 3: FFVII
Round 4: Too hard to call. (FFVII is the safe pick, but LFF starts reaching critical mass by this point)
Round 5: Too hard to call (FFVII is again the safe pick, but despite almost definitely having the stronger individual games and a higher percentage, the fact that it was a pure FFVII v Nintendo match made it harder for me to take at face value. OoT had the probably weaker pack, but had diversity in it.)
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/11/2009 9:11:43 PM | message detail

We could've replaced Star Fox 64 for Warcraft II just to see Mario Kart 64's true strength! Then again, the game has aged badly, so no.

UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/11/2009 9:16:02 PM | message detail

* R1 55% on MK64/SF64/Suik v 54% on FF9/HL1/Chrono Cross
Win for Ocarina (but very close).

FF9 and Chrono Cross are collectively stronger than Mario Kart 64 and Star Fox 64? No damn way. FF7's 55% there was much more impressive than OOT's 54% against weaker games.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 6/11/2009 9:17:18 PM | message detail

FF9>MK64
HL1>SF64

So yes.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/11/2009 9:18:04 PM | message detail

Don't forget CC > Suikoden

Yeah.
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Ngamer64 | Posted 6/11/2009 9:22:41 PM | message detail

FF7 faced the tougher pack by pure strength, I'll agree, but N64 S/LFF is brutal. Look no further than OoT>GE or OoT>Mario 64 (both of which fully redeemed themselves) or GE > MK64 (despite it looking so good here in R1). And Suikoden was a non factor. I give Ocarina more credit for putting up the same kind of numbers on an FF9 that's pretty solid (when it can avoid 7/8), a game with Chrono in the title, and a reliably respectable and super-independent entry in HL1.

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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/11/2009 9:24:46 PM | message detail

I personally would've replaced Lufia II with Total Annihilation, just so that we could have an odd one out in the match. But yeah, enough with PC classics that the site doesn't care about; StarCraft, Half-Life, and Deus Ex performed badly enough. No wait, I'm going to create the perfect setting for the bracket, based only on the games that actually made it. Then again, this is quite hard...

Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy Kong's Quest
GoldenEye 007
Mario Kart 64
Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars

Final Fantasy VII
Resident Evil 2
Star Fox 64
Suikoden

Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
Kirby Super Star
Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals
Super Mario 64

Chrono Trigger
Earthbound
Resident Evil
Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island

Ngamer64 | Posted 6/11/2009 9:27:02 PM | message detail

Actually I probably would have scored that to FF7 initially, but after seeing MK64 get embarrassed and then HL2 beat a FF title straight up and manage 40% on TP in the process, I've got to swing it back in OoT's favor. Granted HL2 > HL1 thanks to the Orange Box and expanding beyond the PC fanbase, but even so, the series is no joke and yet OoT made it look like one.

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greatone10 | Posted 6/11/2009 9:28:52 PM | message detail

From: LinkMarioSamus | Posted: 6/11/2009 8:24:46 PM | #141
Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy Kong's Quest
GoldenEye 007
Mario Kart 64
Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars

We need something in that match that isn't Nintendo/Rare.
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From: Ngamer64 | Posted: 6/11/2009 11:22:41 PM | #140
FF7 faced the tougher pack by pure strength, I'll agree, but N64 S/LFF is brutal. Look no further than OoT>GE or OoT>Mario 64 (both of which fully redeemed themselves) or GE > MK64 (despite it looking so good here in R1). And Suikoden was a non factor. I give Ocarina more credit for putting up the same kind of numbers on an FF9 that's pretty solid (when it can avoid 7/8), a game with Chrono in the title, and a reliably respectable and super-independent entry in HL1.

We can just agree to disagree in regards to round 1. Round 2 I can give you.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/12/2009 12:30:00 AM | message detail

1995-19997 Round 1: Castlevania: Symphony of the Night vs Kirby Super Star vs Resident Evil vs Mario 64

Castlevania: Symphony of the Night - 27330 [22.91%]
Kirby Super Star - 13194 [11.06%]
Resident Evil - 24577 [20.6%]
Super Mario 64 - 54215 [45.44%]
Total Votes - 119316

The obvious first, of course. Mario 64 dominated this match, and clearly SFFd the hell out of Kirby. I even had Kirby getting second place in this match initially (based on Kirby's character performance), but went with Resident Evil thinking it was stronger than SOTN. Then I went with SOTN out of pure fanboyism and prayed it could hold on and win. I did not think SOTN was a clear-cut favorite for second place here, and literally only picked it because I love it. My only reasoning.

As a side note, this match proved once and for all Kirby is not popular because of his games. When you're SFFd this badly by Mario, but you the character go out and beat Sonic, your appeal comes from character design and Smash Brothers.

With that out of the way, we had an actual match here. Like I said before, I felt Resident Evil was a favorite for second place here. MGS clearly SFFd it in 2004, so it had a wild card value going into all this. SOTN, awesome as it is, has gotten no younger. I try not to get my fanboyism get in the way of my analysis, but I was very happy when SOTN jumped on Resident Evil early and went on to easily win the match. Sure SOTN "lost" the day vote and bled percentage to RE, but the match was never in question. RE was deserving, but I cannot deny how happy I am SOTN won this. I love that game to death, and there aren't many match results this contest I was happier about than this one. If you haven't played SOTN yet, you really should. It's arguably the best 2D game ever made.

As for what this match tells us, Kirby's games are not only weak, but prone to SFF by Mario. Mario 64 is a beast, but we didn't yet know it was a potential slayer of Chrono Trigger. Resident Evil was in fact SFFd in 2004 -- not to a gigantic degree, but I wouldn't go around calling it a weak game. Both RE and RE2 performed respectably in their first round losses. And as for good ol' SOTN, it's still got some left in the tank! :D

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Big Bob | Posted 6/12/2009 12:33:09 AM | message detail

For years I was confused by Alucard's strength. One day I just accepted it and moved on.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/12/2009 12:33:45 AM | message detail

I even had Kirby getting second place in this match initially (based on Kirby's character performance)

Uhhh...Don't you think Kirby's series performance would be a better indicator? I really doubt Mario 64 SFF'd it all that much, especially after how unnoticeable a lot of SFF was in this contest.

And of course Kirby is more popular than his games!

MGS clearly SFFd it in 2004

Not sure you can say that after Mario 64 creamed it either and it looks like Mario 64 and MGS aren't far off in strength.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/12/2009 1:14:24 AM | message detail

1995-1997 Round 1: Chrono Trigger vs EarthBound vs Lufia 1 vs Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island

Chrono Trigger - 66995 [56.36%]
EarthBound - 18547 [15.6%]
Lufia 2 - 5026 [4.23%]
Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island - 28308 [23.81%]
Total Votes - 118876

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3197

A ton of us EarthBound fans spammed this poll all over the board, trying to convince everyone (well... probably more honest to say we were trying to convince ourselves) EarthBound had a chance at pulling off an upset here. After all, EarthBound did VERY well in that VC poll, and we've seen LFF not matter in this contest as much as we initially thought it would. So even with two fellow SNES RPGs in the poll, maybe some act of God would allow EarthBound to get second place here.

Not only did this not happen, EarthBound never even got the standard early lead it tends to enjoy in matches. Yoshi's Island jumped all over it early, and cruised to a second place finish. This was a rare contest match in that it was over 3 seconds after it began, and there's really not much to talk about. We all knew Chrono Trigger > Yoshi's Island would happen, but hyping up a miracle EarthBound upset was fun while it lasted.

Even though Yoshi's Island scored an easy second place here, Chrono Trigger flat-out annihilated this poll. There was absolutely no reason to think Chrono Trigger was in trouble against Mario 64 after this match. None. After the first round, Chrono Trigger looked right at 2004 levels, possibly due to help from the DS release.

This match also told us that GOTY polls, favorites polls and random polls like the VC poll are completely useless when trying to guess contest results for the real thing. We learned this for characters very quickly, but for some reason we like to latch onto those older polls for games. The quicker we pretend old polls don't exist for potential future game contests, the better.

On that note, this analysis is now 25% complete. Faster than normal! :)

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greatone10 | Posted 6/12/2009 3:14:27 AM | message detail

I think old polls can be useful sometimes when we have little other ways to decide strength (see Fallout 3 > Halo 3). That being said, that poll was faulty because it didn't even ask you which game you liked best. The poll favored games that didn't have any ports or remakes, so of course Earthbound was going to overperform there.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/12/2009 3:31:11 AM | message detail

How about this, assuming no RPG SFF?

GoldenEye 007
Diablo
Resident Evil 2
Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars

Or you could replace Diablo with Quake. Or Fallout. Or Total Annihilation.

And yes, Symphony of the Night is awesome stuff.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/12/2009 7:39:59 AM | message detail

This was a rare contest match in that it was over 3 seconds after it began, and there's really not much to talk about.

Rare? That was at least half the contest!
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XxSoulxX | Posted 6/12/2009 10:02:33 AM | message detail

This match also told us that GOTY polls, favorites polls and random polls like the VC poll are completely useless

GTA Vs. Warcraft told us this many years ago, and anyone stupid enough to go off of those polls for this contest deserved to lose those points.
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Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 6/12/2009 10:09:08 AM | message detail

Funny how in GOTY polls the games that win getting their asses kicked in the contest of best games...
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L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 6/12/2009 4:22:55 PM | message detail

Galaxy bombed, but RE4 was alright, and FFX and Brawl definitely did not disappoint.
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1998-2000 Round 1: Banjo-Kazooie vs Perfect Dark vs Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow vs Zelda: Majora's Mask

Banjo-Kazooie - 10563 [8.75%]
Perfect Dark - 14141 [11.71%]
Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow - 61189 [50.68%]
Zelda: Majora's Mask - 34837 [28.86%]
Total Votes - 120730

Banjo-Kazooie and Perfect Dark both bombed here, but this wasn't as extreme as some other bombings this contest. It was fairly expected given all the Nintendo and N64 overlap, though B-K was another games hyped for years and Perfect Dark completely collapsed based on its 2004 performance. But we'll just chalk that up to N64 LFF and move on.

And by moving on, we look at Pokemon RBY's start of balling all over this contest. I personally think Majora's Mask was another of the many sickeningly overhyped games in this contest, but all things considered it didn't do that bad. A lot of people crushed it given they assumed it would easily make the second round, and in the first round it could somewhat fairly be called a bomb. Majora's Mask was the Raiden of this contest -- huge potential, but the reality was nothing close.

This said, it still got an acceptable 29% second place finish, but simply ran into an absolute monster here. In a match that was expected to be close, RBY just flattened everything and propped itself right into contender for Top 10 status. There was a very set top 8 or 9 after 2004, this contest threw a big wrench into all that, and a lot of games even ended up with legit claims to "#3" status. After this very match, Pokemon RBY was one of those games. Majora's Mask might not be a top tier Zelda, but it's a Zelda nonetheless. And blowing the hell out of Zelda is no easy task. Pokemon would go on to more than prove this was no Nintendo SFF fluke either, but more on that in future rounds.

On a complete side note, I argued for years that Pokemon RBY was legit, and had to argue even harder pre-contest when everyone assumed Majora's Mask would kill it before the second round LFFd it to death.

Look at this poll: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2739

Could it be more obvious? Everyone and their mother loved RBY; the hate started with cards and the million generations following RBY, not with RBY itself. RBY was always bound to be a beast, and it ended up being even stronger than I thought. Granted I'm a total FFT fanboy and picked it to beat RBY in round 2, but I was still right about RBY being legit. No harm done <_<

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/12/2009 10:56:55 PM | message detail

1998-2000 Round 1: Deus Ex vs Final Fantasy Tactics vs Metal Gear Solid vs Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal

Deus Ex - 9608 [7.67%]
Final Fantasy Tactics - 28531 [22.79%]
Metal Gear Solid - 46422 [37.08%]
Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal - 40625 [32.45%]
Total Votes - 125186

One day after Pokemon RBY went out and beasted all over Zelda's face, its younger brother got to go out and take the field. GSC's number was artificially inflated early thanks to being on one day after RBY, and it actually led Metal Gear Solid for a bit. Thought MGS got killed by FF7 in 2004, that was an obvious SFF match. A lot of people guessed MGS could be a potential Top 10 game, mainly because of The List. Fad or not, The List comes through more often than not. For GSC to lead it for a few minutes was impressive, even if MGS did go on to win fairly easily. It's also worth noting GSC cut 500 votes off of MGS with the ASV, which comes into play with impending MGS/RBY duel set up by this match.

The true shame here was Final Fantasy Tactics. After going dead even with MGS in 2004 and getting robbed of a win by clear vote-stuffing, a lot of people figured it could get close to MGS again and place in a couple of matches. Instead, it ran into the Pokemon buzz saw right in the first round and suffered an early exit. At least it was a legitimate early exit this time, as FFT has clearly lost a few steps in the past five years. It went from 50-50 to losing with 39%. That's no accident, and this happened a few months after the FFT port to the PSP. Not that we need many reasons to prove the PSP's lack of influence, but there's another one for you. The system flat-out does not matter, and older Final Fantasy on the whole seemed really lagging this contest.

This match set up a weird MGS/RBY/GSC threesome for round two, with the true match being MGS vs RBY in round 3. But given how close GSC came to MGS early on here, it seemed like MGS was in a world of trouble once the big brother came knocking.

On a total side note, why are Deus Ex fans so damn whiny? It was obviously getting last place here, but half the topics on the board this day were just people pissing and moaning about it doing badly. Don't you guys know you're on ConsoleFAQs? Get a grip.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/12/2009 11:11:11 PM | message detail

though B-K was another games hyped for years

...Really?
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/12/2009 11:43:24 PM | message detail

1998-2000 Round 1: Final Fantasy 8 vs SoulCalibur vs Starcraft vs Xenogears

Final Fantasy 8 - 52918 [43.91%]
SoulCalibur - 18652 [15.4%]
Starcraft - 33616 [27.89%]
Xenogears - 15423 [12.8%]
Total Votes - 120519

Of all the Add/Remove junk pre-contest, only one such change truly bothered me, and it was this one. SoulCalibur had zero business getting into this contest over the original Smash Brothers, especially given what we know now. None. Is there any doubt Smash Brothers places in this match, and possibly even threatens to take first? It would have clearly gotten Ocarina'd in the second round, but it would have stunned all the Starcraft people.

Speaking of which, calling Starcraft is something I'm vastly proud of this contest. While people were out calling for another insane run due to the format, I was out calling Starcraft the most likely game to flop in this contest. People seem to forget how perfect a storm 2004 was for Starcraft, and only L-Block's run has ever been more impressive in my eyes. It was the perfect amount of vote totals, the perfect bracket placement, the perfect hype, the perfect opponents, the perfect everything.

This contest? No way. For starters, "fourways are better for rallying" is a myth. Rallying in general is a myth outside of close matches late, and deciding entire matches by thousands of votes is ludicrous. There's a measure of rallying in every match. L-Block aside, people generally just vote for who they want. There's also Starcraft's opponents in 2004: Halo, Kingdom Hearts and Wind Waker are pretty hated on the internet. Against a high-selling mainstream Final Fantasy like 8? No way. And on the note of FF8, it's usually stuck behind FF7 in past polls. We've never really seen it by itself until this contest, unless you look at Squall, who has gotten quite strong these days. There's also the little-known fact that Starcraft is a really, really old PC game on a site that doesn't generally care about PC games. If we get to use the "it hasn't gotten any younger" argument with anything else, why not Starcraft?

So no, I wasn't at all surprised when Final Fantasy 8 came out and killed Starcraft in this match. The people that had Starcraft potentially rallying past Ocarina in the division and winning the entire contest were especially ridiculous. Calling FF8 a potential top 10 game (a term used much too loosely in this contest) was obviously premature given future rounds, but I will never call this match an accident. The extent of the blowout was a surprise, but the blowout itself was bound to happen. Final Fantasy 8 shined with 7 removed from the picture, even with Xenogears in the poll stealing some Square votes.

Frankly, Starcraft got lucky to place at all. If Smash Brothers were in this poll instead of that slug SoulCalibur like it should have been, Starcraft would have easily been pushed to third place and we would have had a "SHOCKING" contest result right in the first round. From huge 16 seed run to losing in the first round the second expectations are placed upon it. But thanks to scoring second place here almost by default, Starcraft in round 2 was allowed one final stand before its ultimate exit.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/12/2009 11:50:01 PM | message detail

StarCraft is the Gonzaga of GameFAQs contests.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/12/2009 11:57:17 PM | message detail

1998-2000: Chrono Cross vs Final Fantasy 9 vs Half-Life vs Zelda: Ocarina of Time

Chrono Cross - 13840 [10.32%]
Final Fantasy 9 - 28606 [21.33%]
Half-Life - 19522 [14.56%]
Zelda: Ocarina of Time - 72119 [53.79%]
Total Votes - 134087

I really have to disagree about Ocarina of Time "winning" round 1 over Final Fantasy 7. The total votes for Ocarina's match were higher, but that's about it. I'd pick Mario Kart 64 over Final Fantasy 9 with ease, I'd pick Star Fox 64 over Half-Life with equal ease, and does anyone care about Suikoden versus Chrono Cross? A game no one has played against one of the worst games ever made, whoopdeedoo. At worst, it was a wash, and at best I'd score a slight win to FF7 here.

As for the other games, the surprising second round results and demise of the casual shooter had people expecting a Half-Life loss even with the Square LFF here, and a loss is exactly what they got. GFNW might not be the fad it once was, but Gordon definitely dropped the ball here in a match tailor made for him to win. Even if the overlap between Final Fantasy 9 and Chrono Cross was minimal, Half-Life should have gotten second here. Instead, it never competed and further spelled out the continual disappointment of the casual shooter this contest. This even had people worrying about Half-Life 2's chances against Final Fantasy 12, but I wouldn't go that far. FF12 is way way more hated than FF9 is. The concern about casual shooters as a whole however was warranted, and why wouldn't it be? They were stinking it up left and right this contest.

From a personal perspective, I was very happy with this match's results. Ocarina is the best game in the poll, Final Fantasy 9 is the second best, I have too little experience with Half-Life to comment and there are very few games I want to see suck in a poll more than Chrono Cross. And I got my wish: Chrono Cross sucking it up and scoring a distant last place. God I hate that damn game. What an annoying POS from start to finish. Good riddance. I also tire of having to defend FF9 all the time, so seeing it shut the annoying haters up for one day was glorious. What an awesome result all around.

But yeah, good if you have my taste in games, boring contest match if you want exciting close comebacks and such.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/12/2009 11:57:42 PM | message detail

On that note, 4 writeups in one night is good. Any more and I'll produce GremUltis. gnight.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/13/2009 12:00:16 AM | message detail

I'd pick Mario Kart 64 over Final Fantasy 9 with ease, I'd pick Star Fox 64 over Half-Life with equal ease

I'm not sure why. What did MK64 and SF64 do to show you they were worth that much?

And CC a distant last place? It was closer to Half-Life than Half-Life was to FFIX! And CC would destroy Suikoden!
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/13/2009 12:02:34 AM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | Posted: 6/13/2009 2:00:16 AM | #163
I'd pick Mario Kart 64 over Final Fantasy 9 with ease, I'd pick Star Fox 64 over Half-Life with equal ease

I'm not sure why. What did MK64 and SF64 do to show you they were worth that much?

And CC a distant last place? It was closer to Half-Life than Half-Life was to FFIX! And CC would destroy Suikoden!

I can't look past Super Mario Kart's performance and just assume 64 isn't behind a ton of SFF. Star Fox 64, same thing. It doesn't take much to beat Half-Life 1.

**** Chrono Cross. So much. I was SO happy that day.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/13/2009 12:05:50 AM | message detail

The things that make you happy are strange.

And I can't look past SMK's performance and assume FFIX loses to Super Metroid. Not a chance that happens.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/13/2009 12:35:52 AM | message detail

O_O

Super Metroid would crush FF9.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 6/13/2009 12:37:48 AM | message detail

Man Ulti, you've got so many things backwards in this topic.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 6/13/2009 12:50:35 AM | message detail

I mean, Super Metroid? Really? The same Super Metroid that got 27% against LTTP, which in turn got 36% against FF7, which in turn got 47% against OoT...beating a game that got 28% against OoT?

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charmander6000 | Posted 6/13/2009 12:54:14 AM | message detail

You really think SM would get 27% on LttP and LttP would get 36% on FFVII legit?

Not that I think Super Metroid would win easily, FFIX would've defeated Starcraft.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 6/13/2009 12:58:17 AM | message detail

SM's score against LTTP obviously isn't fair, but it's score against FF7 is.

The point was that there's absolutely no reason to take Super Metroid. By the time the contest was over, it ended up looking far weaker than FFIX. You can't even cite other Metroid titles doing well, as Metroid Prime let Kingdom Hearts destroy it while it went and lost to Vice City.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/13/2009 1:04:50 AM | message detail

....you're calling LTTP SFFing Metroid not SFF?
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/13/2009 2:06:42 AM | message detail

Well, I hated those classic PC titles getting destroyed. At least it was nice for Deus Ex and its awesome setting and atmosphere to get into the freaking contest.

And I didn't like Half-Life dropping the ball either. Good god, at least FF9 is a great game, and it wasn't DOOM losing to DKC. Or Half-Life 2 losing to Kingdom Hearts II.

greatone10 | Posted 6/13/2009 2:51:30 AM | message detail

The only reason Soul Calibur got Add/Removed was due to xstat fanboys who thought that because Soul Calibur kept close to Kingdom Hearts in BGE1 meant that it could be strong.

Never mind the fact that those same xstats show that Starcraft vs. Soul Calibur would be a 60/40 match (and were in the same four pack as well) and that Kingdom Hearts was not that strong in 04.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/13/2009 3:37:27 AM | message detail

O_O

Super Metroid would crush FF9.

Super Metroid would be lucky not to GET crushed by FFIX, which looks to be a borderline top 25 game. Super Metroid is behind a bunch of LFF supposedly, but I don't know how much of it is LFF. One of the recurring themes of the contest was how tame LFF was when it didn't involve two games from the same series. Metroid games are not strong, and there's absolutely no reason to take it against a PS generation Final Fantasy.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/13/2009 9:11:27 AM | message detail

Well, Super Mario Kart would beat Final Fantasy IX, so...

LeonhartFour | Posted 6/13/2009 12:08:45 PM | message detail

No, it wouldn't.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/13/2009 1:36:22 PM | message detail

9's score on Ocarina in round 1 doesn't mean a whole lot. You really think it scores 28% on Ocarina had it been in the final in X's place?

Lol, X-Stats.
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charmander6000 | Posted 6/13/2009 1:43:06 PM | message detail

Did you completely forget about FFVII?
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2001-2003 Round 1: Final Fantasy X vs Metal Gear Solid 2 vs Silent Hill 2 vs The Elder Scrolls 3: Morrowind

Final Fantasy X - 56614 [45.92%]
Metal Gear Solid 2 - 34324 [27.84%]
Silent Hill 2 - 11131 [9.03%]
The Elder Scrolls 3: Morrowind - 21217 [17.21%]
Total Votes - 123286

This is one of the most boring matches of the entire contest, and consequently one of the easiest writeups. Everything went exactly the way it was supposed to go. Final Fantasy X scored an easy first place and proved itself a contender to make the final. Metal Gear Solid 2 scored an easy second place and proved itself a good midcarder. Silent Hill 2 was fodder, and Morrowind was a distant, but decent third place. That's all there is to say, and though I'd love to ramble on about this match and make it sound good, I can't.

The one thing I will say is Elder Scrolls fans came out in full force today and proved the series contest was no fluke. You guys really are some of the whiniest gamers I've ever seen on message boards. We get it, a game could be called Elder Scrolls 5: Fecal Matter and you'd eat it right up.

For all I know, the games are fine. But you stay classy, TES fans.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/13/2009 4:01:44 PM | message detail

You ask me what Metroid or Mario Kart or Star Fox has ever done to impress me, but what has Final Fantasy 9 ever done to impress anyone? Its main character beat a low-tier Sonic character in a format Sonic characters always suck in, its villain lost to a glove, and the game scored decently well on Ocarina with 2 weak games in the poll. All FF9 has ever done is nearly cause FF8 to lose to Starcraft.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 6/13/2009 4:01:55 PM | message detail

The finals mean absolutely nothing for FFX and LTTP, Ulti.

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__Smurf__ | Posted 6/13/2009 4:02:06 PM | message detail

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Super Metroid would crush FF9.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/13/2009 4:02:50 PM | message detail

And Super Metroid has done...what, exactly? Struggle to beat a racing game twice and get tripled by LTTP. Whoo
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/13/2009 4:04:09 PM | message detail

Fine, replace 10 with 9 in the semifinal, against Ocarina/Brawl/MGS4. If you think FF9 scores 28% on Ocarina there, you're insane. It would be a distant last place.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 6/13/2009 4:05:15 PM | message detail

...So? Brawl and MGS4 are Top 20 canditates. FFIX is more Top 30-40. Super Metroid would be lucky to be a Top 50 canditate.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/13/2009 4:05:44 PM | message detail

Lumping Super Mario Kart as "just another racing game" is kind of dumb. It's like lumping Brawl in with regular fighting games.

This is officially the stupidest argument ever, so I'm dropping it and moving on. Lots left to write!
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/13/2009 4:07:13 PM | message detail

28% on Ocarina in the semifinal is still in last place. I don't know where you get the "distant" last place stuff from though. I don't see any reason to discredit FFIX's first round performance. You basically have to discredit MK64's first round performance on FFVII while you're at it, and so you don't really have any reason to tout MK64 > FFIX then.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/13/2009 4:08:08 PM | message detail

Lumping Super Mario Kart as "just another racing game" is kind of dumb. It's like lumping Brawl in with regular fighting games.

The point is that it beat a party game, and Mario Kart, while popular, isn't up there with Smash Bros. The fact that Super Metroid struggled to beat it says a lot about it.
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Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 6/13/2009 4:58:23 PM | message detail

Hey after you finish you will do a list with the power of all games in the contest?That goes like this:
OOT=50%
FF VII=48%
and so on?Sorry I don't know how it is called...
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Ngamer64 | Posted 6/13/2009 5:52:03 PM | message detail

It's called the x-stats, and charmander has a full set. Ask him to post them for you.

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charmander6000 | Posted 6/13/2009 6:31:29 PM | message detail

Here's the topic

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=49889527

The first list is my adjusted while further down is the unadjusted. The problem with the adjusted is that the final three divisions are overrated while the top half is underrated.
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Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 6/13/2009 7:43:20 PM | message detail

Pokemon the 5th strongest game?And FFX reached the final but it is in 11th place?And 3 LOZ games in the top 10?Man...
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charmander6000 | Posted 6/13/2009 8:03:13 PM | message detail

Pokemon the 5th strongest game?

I've seen people put it as 3rd. Apparently Ocarina of Time SFF it in round 3 while RBY didn't SFF GS in round 2.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/13/2009 9:16:40 PM | message detail

I find it annoying that we still can't say for sure how strong Super Metroid and Metroid Prime are since they were once again stuck in SFF/LFF situations.

And no, beating a game that sold 8 times as many copies as you AND was the casual favorite to win IS impressive. IT'S FREAKIN MARIO KART!!! People have lost their jobs due to Mario Kart, and fun is a big factor in deciding what you want to vote for (as Pokemon showed us!).

Yeah, I think the Metroid series impressed me more than it disappointed me in this contest. Then again, I picked Metroid to lose in round 1, absent-mindedly picked Super Metroid to get to round 3 (would've picked DOOM otherwise), and had KH > GTA: VC in my bracket because my thinking went like this:

"Ordinarily, I'd take Metroid Prime to beat Vice City, BUT we have Paper Mario in the match, and Metroid games hate LFF. According to last time's stats, Vice City wins the match, and MP is stuck under Wind Waker (r?)SFF. Paper Mario will probably hold MP back with LFF as much as WW SFFd MP, and therefore VC will win."

So yeah, the series impressed me all contest. MP actually ended up overperforming its stat expectation of Vice City by 0.06%, when Paper Mario was holding it back.

UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/14/2009 2:07:17 PM | message detail

20001-2003 Round 1: Grand Theft Auto: Vice City vs Kingdom Hearts vs Metroid Prime vs Paper Mario

Grand Theft Auto: Vice City - 30825 [24.48%]
Kingdom Hearts - 49035 [38.95%]
Metroid Prime - 28330 [22.5%]
Paper Mario - 17712 [14.07%]
Total Votes - 125902

Unless I'm forgetting something, this was the first match where we had three games with a potential order for 1-2 going in. Some even thought Paper Mario had an outside chance at second place, but the main debate here was Vice City, Kingdom Hearts and Metroid Prime. 2 big PS2 games against 2 big Gamecube games made this even more confusing. Could Vice City and Kingdom Hearts stay out of each other's way and do well, or would Metroid Prime take advantage? Could Metroid avoid its typical "I get screwed by Nintendo SFF" act? There was no way to know, and this was a good match if you're not a fan of years of trends and stats making matches too predictable. We had three games that could be in any 1-2-3 order, with no real way to predict how it would end up.

Save one. In 2004, Starcraft's run overrated the hell out of the top half of Division 128. If you thought SoulCalibur, Wind Waker and Halo were as strong as those stats dictate, you're nuts. Kingdom Hearts was the one game notable enough to maintain or increase in strength the last five years. Metroid Prime was likely a victim of D128 being overrated, which in all likelihood meant Kingdom Hearts > Metroid Prime was the favored result in this match. While Vice City was in the bottom half of D128 and doesn't fall under the "hugely overrated" umbrella, Grand Theft Auto has been dropping like a rock for years and most people don't trust it anymore. Because of all this, Kingdom Hearts > Metroid Prime was the consensus pick for this match. At least I think it was, I forget the guru stats offhand.

When the match began, everything played out per our on-the-fly, lack-of-reliable-stats analysis. Kingdom Hearts flew out to an easy first place and would stay there until match's end, even in the face of another huge PS2 game. For those remaining few people who think Kingdom Hearts doesn't have some insane strength, this was more proof to the contrary.

Metroid Prime also began the match in good shape, easily in second place and building a lead through the first 15 minutes. It wasn't an overbearing performance and it looked as if it was struggling to get a lead going, but this is Grand Theft Auto we're talking about. Surely, Metroid Prime would have one of those matches where it wouldn't OMG DOMINATE second place, but handily get there. But then Vice City started stalling Metroid only 30 minutes into the match, when the lead was only 150. Surely this only meant Metroid would have one of those matches where it struggles to wins second place, but is never really threatened...

Whoops. Not only did Vice City come back overnight once all the Nintendo Power Hour stuff was over, but it won all the key voting blocks typically reserved for Nintendo throughout the rest of the match and ended up beating Metroid Prime fairly easily. Vice City still has strength in the face of GTA's perpetual weakening, but the real reason it won here is Metroid's continual way of embarrassing the hell out of itself in the face of other Nintendo options in a poll. Paper Mario leeched Metroid out of a win here, and it's as simple as that.

Not to say Metroid Prime didn't deserve to lose -- frankly if you're a heavy hitter, you should SFF the hell out of Paper Mario and place in the poll no matter what it takes -- but it wins pretty easily without a Mario in the way. This said, it's impressive that 2 PS2 games not only collectively finished 1-2 in the poll, but collectively won the company battle this time around 63.43% - 36.57%. It's rare you see Nintendo lose so badly, but it does happen once in awhile.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 6/14/2009 4:15:24 PM | message detail

Getting close to the bets match of the round!

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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/14/2009 6:12:41 PM | message detail

20001-2003

Uhhh...

Paper Mario leeched Metroid out of a win here, and it's as simple as that.

I'm not so sure about that. We use LFF to explain away everything, but LFF was a virtual non-factor for most matches here.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/14/2009 6:14:46 PM | message detail

Whoops, extra 0.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 6/14/2009 6:15:00 PM | message detail

Yeah, I have trouble seeing MP having enough overlap with PM so that removing it makes up the 2% between it and Vice City. They belong to different genres on different systems.

It could happen, but I would still take Vice City in a neutral rematch.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/14/2009 6:16:06 PM | message detail

The sad thing is that I originally had KH > VC in my bracket because I thought MP would be LFF'd by Paper Mario, but then I realized Wind Waker didn't SFF Prime, so why would Paper Mario? Little did I realize that Prime was weak enough to lose that match anyway. Whoops.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 6/14/2009 6:17:39 PM | message detail

At least you didn't have Metroid Prime in first like some people did!

Not that I can talk. I took MGS2>FFX in Round 2.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/14/2009 6:31:16 PM | message detail

I had Halo > SSBM in round 2 because of SSBM/Wind Waker LFF!
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charmander6000 | Posted 6/14/2009 6:33:20 PM | message detail

^ So did I.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/14/2009 7:17:39 PM | message detail

2001-2003 Round 1: Diablo 2: Lord of Destruction vs Grand Theft Auto 3 vs Halo: Combat Evolved vs Star Wars: KOTOR

Diablo 2: Lord of Destruction - 32473 [27.43%]
Grand Theft Auto 3 - 26175 [22.11%]
Halo: Combat Evolved - 30573 [25.82%]
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic - 29184 [24.65%]
Total Votes - 118405

This is the best possible match you could ask for in a fourway format. All 4 games close early, all 4 games breaking 20% late and all four games taking awhile to establish anything on one another.

The general consensus here was Halo and Diablo 2 getting some order of 1-2, with Grand Theft Auto 3 still having some people retain faith in the series. No one really expected anything of KOTOR while sharing a poll with fellow Xbox smash hit Halo. Little did we know how awesome this poll would be.

When it started, all four games were virtually dead even for a few minutes, with GTA3 straggling behind a bit. It would fall behind pace relatively quickly, and by the 30 minute mark it was clearly not going to threaten a second place finish. It obviously still ended up doing extremely well for a last place game, and it even managed to shave a 700 vote deficit down to 250 with the dead hours, and threatened to steal third place for a time. If you used Vice City's 2004 performance to gauge Grand Theft Auto 3, I guess one could call GTA3 a disappointment here. Its sales and critical acclaim (once upon a time, GTA was actually a good series; now Rock$* just rehashes GTA3 with different color tones and the fans eat it up like drones) should have meant it doing better than it showed here, but it was simply not to be. GTA has fallen off the map more and more with each passing year on this site, though I won't trash 3's performance in this match. It helped create one of the best fourway scenarios possible.

The true match however took place between Halo and KOTOR. Even though this poll is close in percentage, Diablo 2 established control of first place within 30 minutes and did about as well as a game can do in a close match. After the first freeze, it never lost the lead and shocked casual and Board 8 bracketmaker alike with its first place finish. Diablo 2 placing wasn't a giant surprise to the Board 8 people, but outdoing Starcraft and scoring first place was. Its first place prediction percentage was 18.7%, and partial was 15.05%, one of the lowest of the entire first round. Part of this was casual underestimation (Diablo 2 being stronger than Starcraft was a HUGE leap of faith given 2004), but most of it is Halo time and time again being the most overbracketed series we'll ever have. Everyone always picks Halo stuff to go far every contest, and every contest it falls flat on its face.

Which at last brings us to one of the most surprising performances of the entire contest. Can anyone look at this poll and honestly tell me expanding character battles to all fictional gaming characters is a bad idea? Star Wars KOTOR not only performed well, but it performed well in the face of two fanbases -- PC and Xbox -- that should have stolen all its votes and sent it packing to an easy last place. The reason for this is inexplicable to me, unless the name "Star Wars" really means that much. And putting Darth Vader or Luke Skywalker in a contest would be a bad idea? Are you kidding me? I'm all for it.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/14/2009 7:18:13 PM | message detail

Halo actually spent the first 90 minutes of this match struggling to build a 200 vote lead, but it all fell apart overnight. Star Wars came all the way back during the dead hours, built a small lead, tailed off a bit in the morning and built up a 700 vote lead during the DSV. Halo predictably made a furious comeback with the ASV and won second place (and even cut its deficit on Diablo 2 down to 1900 after trailing by something like 2600-2700 votes), but this was a rare comeback where I didn't notice too much whining. Halo's ASV is well-documented by now, so people saw it coming well before it happened. However everyone was so surprised and happy by Star Wars' initial effort that they didn't mind the end result loss too much. Threatening second place in the face of two stronger games from your two main fanbases is an unbelievable effort, and one of the most commendable results of the entire contest. You won't find many 0-2 games more impressive than Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic.

For Halo, despite the win and my risking a broken record here, casual shooters were bombing all over the place. This was a bomb regardless of it winning; if you're Halo, you don't rely on a monster ASV to come back on a weaker game from your own system. You just don't. This was one of the most embarrassing contest wins I can remember. On a more personal note, Diablo 2 winning kicks all sorts of ass. It took me forever to get into online, but I did eventually get hooked. How I have two level 90 characters (Hammerdin and Meteorb Sorceress), but I might sell all my stuff on d2jsp given the impending ladder reset. Anyway, awesome to see Diablo 2 get its due. This was an amazing result.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 6/14/2009 7:40:14 PM | message detail

I was one of the few people to call Diablo 2 being a strong entrant. That game board is still amazingly active to this day. It's crazy how big and quiet the Diablo 2 fanbase is here.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 6/14/2009 7:40:53 PM | message detail

KOTOR winning would've been amazing. Alas.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/14/2009 7:46:51 PM | message detail

2001-2003 Round 1: Disgaea: Hour of Darkness vs Fire Emblem vs Super Smash Bros. Melee vs Zelda: The Wind Waker

Disgaea: Hour of Darkness - 17802 [15.13%]
Fire Emblem - 12788 [10.87%]
Super Smash Bros. Melee - 57151 [48.58%]
Zelda: The Wind Waker - 29912 [25.42%]
Total Votes - 117653

It's always nice following a long writeup with something really short, but this match doesn't require anything extensive. It was one of the most obvious results we could imagine.

Melee > Wind Waker was a mortal lock, though some people correctly cited this match as the point where we could spot Melee being in trouble. Perhaps expecting Melee to completely smash Wind Waker with SFF was unfair, but Wind Waker did a lot better than it should have, avoided the doubling and bled Melee's percentage in the latter stages of the match. If Wind Waker could do this, Melee was in a world of hurt when Ocarina came along.

Fire Emblem was also put into the absolute worst situation ever. It's become very respected as a series, but getting placed into a match against a Zelda and the very game that put it on the map (Melee) was an impossible mountain. Not surprisingly, it got SFFd to holy hell twice over and allowed a Disgaea-related contest entrant to not be in last place for the first time ever. Now if we could just figure out a way to get Disgaea into first or second place, all would be well! :D

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KamikazePotato | Posted 6/14/2009 7:48:20 PM | message detail

We should've just left Golden Sun there.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/14/2009 7:48:45 PM | message detail

allowed a Disgaea-related contest entrant to not be in last place for the first time ever

That's not true. Laharl beat Nathan Hale in 2007!

Now if we could just figure out a way to get Disgaea into first or second place, all would be well! :D

Hey, Laharl got second place in 2004 and 2005...
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charmander6000 | Posted 6/14/2009 7:53:17 PM | message detail

Not surprisingly, it got SFFd to holy hell twice over and allowed a Disgaea-related contest entrant to not be in last place for the first time ever.

Kirby/L-Block/Laharl/Nathan Hale
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/14/2009 8:16:18 PM | message detail

Shows how forgettable most fourway polls are.
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Fantusta | Posted 6/14/2009 8:37:29 PM | message detail

You have... a hammerdin and a meteorb. No offense, but that's one of the most cookie-cutter one-two punches you could have dreamed up.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 6/14/2009 8:46:11 PM | message detail

btw, Ulti, changed my AIM name. It's now KamikazePotato7.

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Blackshark_24 | Posted 6/14/2009 8:47:12 PM | message detail

Tag.

UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/14/2009 10:58:42 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | Posted: 6/14/2009 10:46:11 PM | #214
btw, Ulti, changed my AIM name. It's now KamikazePotato7.

...why?
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/15/2009 12:07:17 AM | message detail

Well I didn't like Diablo II winning all that much, neither did I like GTAIII losing since I'd imagine it'd be one of the few games from this century that one could have nostalgia for.

@LeonHart: I would've thought your way except that I kept with KH > VC in my bracket, thinking that WW rSFFd MP in 2004. Why were the votals so low for that match? I can't explain it aside from it being an SFF match (or WW just being bad at SFFing).

Also, you forgot to mention Paper Mario's ASV, Ulti. That's all the more remarkable considering that we saw a core Mario title have a horrible ASV.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 6/15/2009 12:09:23 AM | message detail

Because I made Onilink12 when i was 12. Which was years ago.

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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/15/2009 12:11:34 AM | message detail

Ulti, Paper Mario is an N64 game.

And as dumb as this sounds...

Vice City was coming off of being in the Top 25 of Edge's Top 100 Games To Play Today List, so I knew that it hadn't completely fallen off the map (then again, that list had FF7 barely in the top 50 and Halo 3 in the top 10, so...). At the same time Metroid Prime was coming off of being in the top 20 of VGChartz's list, so...here's how the division goes according to VGChartz (I'm only going to put this and the other list's thing just for comparison purposes).

Final Fantasy X > Metal Gear Solid 2
Metroid Prime > Kingdom Hearts
Halo > Diablo II
Zelda: Wind Waker > Super Smash Bros. Melee

Final Fantasy X > Metroid Prime
Zelda: Wind Waker > Halo

Final Fantasy X > Metroid Prime

And according to Empire Magazine:

Silent Hill 2 > Metal Gear Solid 2
Metroid Prime > ???
Halo > Grand Theft Auto III
??? > ???

Silent Hill 2 > Metroid Prime
Halo > Grand Theft Auto III

Halo > Grand Theft Auto III

UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/15/2009 12:35:05 AM | message detail

From: LinkMarioSamus | Posted: 6/15/2009 2:11:34 AM | #220
Ulti, Paper Mario is an N64 game.

Knew something sounded wrong. Thanks.
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Gaddswell | Posted 6/15/2009 12:50:29 AM | message detail

Don't you mean FE got thwacked thrice over?

There's probably a little bit of that SRPG split going on there too between FE and Disgaea.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/15/2009 1:52:49 AM | message detail

And oddly enough, Metroid Prime may still very well be the strongest title in its series; it's what the x-stats show right now. Those same stats also have Diablo II being the weakest Blizzard title, BTW.

Julian_Caesar | Posted 6/15/2009 9:36:46 AM | message detail

You won't find many 0-2 games more impressive than Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic.

Agreed. I think part of its strength lies in the fact that it really was just that good of a game. In fact, I'm curious what your criteria is for saying that KOTOR was a weaker title than Halo...in terms of XBOX game sales, for sure. But on PC? Probably pretty close, especially since LucasArts released that Gold Edition Pure Awesome Pack or whatever it's called (Battlefront, KOTOR, Jedi Outcast, Empire at War, and Republic Commando for $20!!!!!). Not to mention KOTOR was just as critically acclaimed as Halo, from what I remember.

Throw in that you have two totally different gaming styles at work...I picked KOTOR to win 2nd in this match and it was only partly a favorite pick. I can't wait for the MMO to come out...KOTOR or its characters (probably HK-47) could become the first SW entrants in the contest to actually matter.

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charmander6000 | Posted 6/15/2009 9:41:14 AM | message detail

I think the main reason why people thought KotOR would do badly is because they thought the game would have aged badly since 2004. The game was release just a few months before the contest and was handed many awards on other sites.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/15/2009 8:50:36 PM | message detail

Just a bump tonight, mad busy.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/15/2009 10:33:50 PM | message detail

Still, I like how Half-Life 2 and Call of Duty 4 were both coming off of being named the Best Game Ever by other publications. Not even close to it on this site, obviously.

Super Mario World was also coming off of being given the honor. It seems like nobody wants to call Final Fantasy VII the best game ever anymore, even if it's always very close.

How Division 2004-2006 should have gone according to VGChartz

God of War > Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
Metal Gear Solid 3 > Halo 2
Resident Evil 4 > Shadow of the Colossus
Zelda: Twilight Princess > Half-Life 2

Metal Gear Solid 3 > God of War
Resident Evil 4 > Shadow of the Colossus

Resident Evil 4 > Shadow of the Colossus

According to Empire Magazine

God of War > Oblivion
World of Warcraft > Okami
Gears of War > Resident Evil 4
Half-Life 2 > Zelda: Twilight Princess

World of Warcraft > God of War
Half-Life 2 > Gears of War (lots of war)

World of Warcraft > Half-Life 2

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From: LinkMarioSamus | Posted: 6/15/2009 9:33:50 PM | #227
How Division 2004-2006 should have gone according to VGChartz

God of War > Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
Metal Gear Solid 3 > Halo 2
Resident Evil 4 > Shadow of the Colossus
Zelda: Twilight Princess > Half-Life 2

Metal Gear Solid 3 > God of War
Resident Evil 4 > Shadow of the Colossus

Resident Evil 4 > Shadow of the Colossus

According to Empire Magazine

God of War > Oblivion
World of Warcraft > Okami
Gears of War > Resident Evil 4
Half-Life 2 > Zelda: Twilight Princess

World of Warcraft > God of War
Half-Life 2 > Gears of War (lots of war)

World of Warcraft > Half-Life 2

WHO CARES

seriously stop posting this crap
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WhakkoJacko | Posted 6/16/2009 3:56:48 PM | message detail

I love pointless stats.
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L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 6/16/2009 6:28:20 PM | message detail

Hey LMS, do a bracket for who would win based on alphabetical order!
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Shinra Reborn | Posted 6/16/2009 7:18:24 PM | message detail

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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/16/2009 7:45:23 PM | message detail

Alphabetical order, eh? Actually, screw that.

And yes, I was posting those brackets for comparison purposes.

UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/17/2009 1:10:10 AM | message detail

2004-2006 Round 1: God of War vs GTA: San Andreas vs Tales of Symphonia vs TES: Oblivion

God of War - 29469 [24.81%]
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas - 27797 [23.4%]
Tales of Symphonia - 29700 [25%]
The Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion - 31825 [26.79%]
Total Votes - 118791

This was basically the best match of the entire contest from a personal level and a match-that-kicks-ass level. As for why? All you need to know here is the consensus pick was San Andreas > God of War, with some outside support for Oblivion getting second place over God of War. That's it. No mention of Tales of Symphonia doing anything, because its characters more or less suck ass in character contests. Even KP, a huge backer of San Andreas > Oblivion tried talking himself up for Andreas > Tales and could not. No logical reason for it.

But then the match began, and all holy hell broke loose. But before the actual numbers, let me take a moment to explain something. You know Board 8 is Nintendo Central? Take that fanboyism, multiply it by 10 and you get Board 8 when Tales of Symphonia came out. The game was flat-out HUGE here. So when we finally got another game contest, with Tales in it, we went INSANE when Tales was winning early. All bets and bracket favoritism were off. We wanted Tales to do well. We all figured Tales was just getting the board vote before an ultimate collapse, but it lead by 50 votes at the freeze. And at 10 minutes, the lead actually went UP! And it kept on going up, all the way to 225 votes within an hour in a poll where every game would break 23%. That is amazing.

This lead would slowly dissipate overnight, but not to the game we all thought would get first place. Remember how San Andreas > God of War was the consensus pick, with Oblivion in second place as an outside upset? Well lost in all the early Tales of Symphonia hoopla was what was going on with the other three games. For the second time in three matches, Grand Theft Auto embarrassed itself. San Andreas, the game we all expected would score first place (not due to GTA being trustworthy, but due to the other games supposedly being weak), was actually the first game to play itself out of contention in this match. It fell behind pace the first, and would eventually fade away into a fairly easy last place. Its final score was very respectable of course, but it never really threatened anything. If I recall correctly, this was the only time all contest a consensus first place pick finished in last place. This is of course GTA on the whole falling off the map, but it's really weird thinking of Vice City as the only game in the 3/VC/SA trio to advance this contest. After 3 and San Andreas lost, GTA4 was the only game left to potentially do anything besides Vice City. The overall GTA collapse is rapidly happening before our eyes every contest, but no one saw even this coming. San Andreas was considered far and away the strongest GTA title, but I guess we were wrong.

UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/17/2009 1:10:29 AM | message detail

With GTA out, this left Oblivion and ToS battling for first, with consensus second place God of War trailing not too far behind in third place. Oblivion would eventually take the lead from Tales of Symphonia overnight, and would not let it go for the rest of the match. In the end, Oblivion's steady rise allowed it to win the match outright by 2100 votes, in a match in which Oblivion getting second place would have been a huge upset special. Oblivion was not only legit, but was an outright contender after this.

This ultimately leads us back to how second place was won. Tales of Symphonia lost its early lead to Oblivion and Oblivion eventually won. We get all that. But as ToS was letting Oblivion fly on by, God of War was trailing behind in a very close third place and also threatening ToS's leads. Oblivion took the lead for good from ToS around 3:00 a.m. EST, and around this time God of War was losing to ToS for second place by 300 votes. Given how well casual action games do during day votes, 300 votes was nothing for God of War to potentially make up in 21 hours of poll.

Sure enough, God of War began chipping away at the lead, against a game that more or less shared trends with it. It began chipping away during the dead hours, built up a tiny bit of steam once the early morning vote hit, then got locked into an eternal stall with Tales of Symphonia once the morning vote hit full stride. The lead got under 100 at 7:30 in the morning. It took three hours of progressive stalling from both sides for God of War to shave that 100 down to taking second place position for the first time, which happened at 10:30.

After all that fighting, God of War finally managed a degree of control in the match and began one of those prolonged stall lead increases. At 10:30, its lead began at 9 votes. It then began a very, very pain-staking process of lead increases in the face of multiple ToS stalls, with its lead ultimately peaking at 400 votes around 5:00 p.m. EST.

For Tales of Symphonia, the game that started the poll on fire and forced two games to fight like hell to get it out of first place and ultimately to third, it seemed like its time was done. Trend-wise, Tales of Symphonia was behaving like a Nintendo game: strong first hour, weak overnight, strong morning vote, strong after school vote. The problem here is God of War was equally or more strong than ToS in all those voting blocks save the Power Hour. During the morning vote and ASV, the best Tales could do was a lot of stalls in the face of an overall lead increase in God of War's favor. But now the ASV was winding down to an end, ToS had given its best effort and like most Nintendo games, would have an evening and second night votes similar to the first night vote -- essentially meaning Tales of Symphonia was screwed. When you behave like a Nintendo game all match, you don't miraculously switch trends and come back 400 votes on a game that will only get stronger as the match nears the end.

And yet inexplicably, suddenly, even miraculously, Tales of Symphonia caught fire after 5:00 p.m. It dropped to 300 by 5:20. 40 minutes later, 300 had become 200. Before God of War could even recover from the blitz of the last 70 minutes, it was bleeding percentage and votes all over the poll. Tales of Symphonia was back on its ass, and hard. God of War tried the best it could to stall Tales of Symphonia away, but it was not to be. By 7, the lead was down to 100.

And right on cue, Tales of Symphonia took its lead back just past 8. God of War made one last stand and fought against Tales building a lead, but God of War ran out of gas for good at 9 o'clock. It stalled Tales whenever possible, but the last three hours of this poll was a slow grind up to a 280 vote lead for Tales, with God of War cutting 50 votes off of this lead before's poll end.

UItimaterializer | Posted 6/17/2009 1:10:47 AM | message detail

It was a complete and total collapse on God of War's part, because this match was over GoW was putting Tales away with the ASV, then all of a sudden the ASV flipped dead around and buried God of War within a few hours. More shocking here was how Nintendo games generally don't do well in the evening and second night votes, while Kratos trends upwards all the way through to the end of the match. How Tales of Symphonia pulled this off in the face of these trends is just beyond me.

It's not something that can at all be explained, I'll just say this was a beautiful match to watch. Four games breaking 23% in a fourway poll, the consensus first place pick coming in last place, and Tales of Symphonia shocking the world all made this the best match of the contest. This was like a match before stats and trends and all that stuff. Just sit back, pick a favorite and root on. There's no real way to gauge potential strength from this match either, since all four games were so close. All could be strong, all could suck. Who really knows until later? Doesn't make this match any less awesome.

More awesome was the whining and cheating accusations following this. Some fake stats professor from Cornell (what a stupid internet gimmick) actually tried telling the board that this result was statistically impossible given the prediction percentages; they were too low for ToS, indicating cheating had to be involved in the final ToS push that won it second place over God of War.

Yes, because everyone with a bracket entered votes based on bracket and prediction percentages, and only people with a bracket ever get to vote on the main page. Good job, fake stats guy. Way to make a perfect match even better by acting like a whiny little ***** and giving us all something to laugh at for days afterward.
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UItimaterializer | Posted 6/17/2009 1:12:37 AM | message detail

From: KommunistKoala | Posted: 6/16/2009 3:01:24 PM | #229
WHO CARES

seriously stop posting this crap

Dude let the guy have some fun, who cares. It's something random and helps me bump the topic.

On that note, sorry for the mini-break. I'm also off to bed, because that's easily the longest writeup I'll have all contest. I should be back up to speed with updates tomorrow. gnight
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Big Bob | Posted 6/17/2009 1:20:21 AM | message detail

I was rooting for ToS all match, though a couple of weeks ago I actually played the game again.

Good god are the first few hours in that game unbelievably boring.
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greatone10 | Posted 6/17/2009 1:46:30 AM | message detail

Oh, I totally forgot about the Cornell guy. That **** was hilarious. I'd love to see him explain L-Block.
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FireLaserBeam | Posted 6/17/2009 2:27:13 AM | message detail

I really hate to ask this, but what the L in LFF mean?
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Leech

LFF (Leech Fanbase Factor) - A common issue in four-way polls, where two entrants of the same fanbase leech one another's strength and make each other weaker. This is the main factor currently discussed in stat topics, since four-ways look like they're here to stay. The earliest example we have of this is Arthas/Diablo leeching each other half to death and letting KOS-MOS sneak into second place back in 2007. SFF still happens now and again, but LFF is just as huge these days.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/17/2009 3:15:08 AM | message detail

The main thing is that the lists comparison stuff shows our bias towards our favorite franchises. According to Empire Magazine's list, the IGN Readers' poll, and VGChartz's list, Metroid Prime should've reached the divisional finals, but it didn't even come close. According to a good number of lists Super Mario Kart should've beaten Super Metroid, but this site doesn't like racing games a whole lot (though I still believe that match was out of Mario Kart's strength rather than S. Metroid's weakness). And, uh, according to Empire Magazine World of Warcraft and Call of Duty 4 would've eliminated Ocarina of Time in the semifinals (hahahahaha).

How Division 2001-2003 Should've Went According to the IGN Readers' poll:

Final Fantasy X > Metal Gear Solid 2 (according to the list, MGS2 should lose to Metroid Prime 3)
Metroid Prime > Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (does any site like Kingdom Hearts more than us???)
Halo > Knights of the Old Republic
Super Smash Bros. Melee > Zelda: Wind Waker

Metroid Prime > Grand Theft Auto: Vice City
Halo > Super Smash Bros. Melee

Halo > Super Smash Bros. Melee (according to the list SSBM, Metroid Prime, and Wind Waker should beat Final Fantasy VII but should lose to Symphony of the Night and Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory)

How Division 2004-2006 Should've Went According to Same List

Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas > God of War (according to the list, San Andreas should beat FF7, though according to the list FF7 should lose to Super Mario RPG and Ratchet and Clank: Up Your Arsenal)
Metal Gear Solid 3 > Halo 2
Resident Evil 4 > Shadow of the Colossus (RE4 was 10th and KH2 didn't even make it, so does ANY site like KH more than us???)
Half-Life 2 > Zelda: Twilight Princess (though Wind Waker and FF7 should beat HL2)

Metal Gear Solid 3 > Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
Resident Evil 4 > Half-Life 2 (Ironically, these are the exact four games that I had in the finals, except that I picked San Andreas to beat MGS3)

Metal Gear Solid 3 > Resident Evil 4 (quote from Ulti: "Of all the games I thought would beat Resident Evil 4, Metal Gear Solid 3 was one of the last ones." Or it went something like that)

It's not fair to do division 2007-2009 considering that some of the games weren't released, but the end result should've been Brawl and Galaxy advancing out of the division (in that order, and then both would lose to RE4 and MGS3).

LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/17/2009 4:34:17 AM | message detail

And, well, here's how Divisions 1995-1997 and 1998-2000 should play out according to IGN's Readers' Choice list.

GoldenEye > Super Mario RPG
Final Fantasy VII > ???
Super Mario 64 > Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
Chrono Trigger > Earthbound

GoldenEye > Super Mario RPG (yep, FF7 out in round two)
Chrono Trigger > Super Mario 64

Chrono Trigger > GoldenEye

Perfect Dark > Zelda: Majora's Mask (and this is what I had in my bracket)
Metal Gear Solid > ???
Soul Calibur > Xenogears (and FF8 last and StarCraft in distant third place)
Zelda: Ocarina of Time > Chrono Cross (and FF9 in last place)

Metal Gear Solid > Perfect Dark
Zelda: Ocarina of Time > Soul Calibur

Zelda: Ocarina of Time > Soul Calibur (yep, according to the list Soul Calibur should've reached the finals)

L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 6/17/2009 7:36:09 AM | message detail

I liked that poll because it proved GameFAQs actually has good taste sometimes. Glad to see Oblivion out-right win that one, since it's an awesome game and all.
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FinalFantasyTactics | Posted 6/17/2009 8:21:28 AM | message detail

We can always pull out the racism accusation as an excuse for San Andreas' loss.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/17/2009 9:05:36 AM | message detail

Some fake stats professor from Cornell (what a stupid internet gimmick) actually tried telling the board that this result was statistically impossible given the prediction percentages; they were too low for ToS, indicating cheating had to be involved in the final ToS push that won it second place over God of War.

Haha, I remember this.
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Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 6/17/2009 9:06:18 AM | message detail

Well there was God Of War and GTA:SA the most loved GTA game supposedly(yeah right)and they both lost while EVERYONE had at least one of them advancing.Everyone.That is something right?
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/17/2009 9:32:28 AM | message detail

I didn't post it, but I said to myself that I wouldn't be surprised if Oblivion won. And that indeed happen. There's also the fact that San Andreas and God of War would've split the casual/PS2 vote (probably what happened) allowing Oblivion to advance. Of course, Tales of Symphonia...WTF?

charmander6000 | Posted 6/17/2009 9:37:24 AM | message detail

I'm more shocked that San Andreas lost to God of War.
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Denzokuken | Posted 6/17/2009 9:38:09 AM | message detail

Didn't GTA SA finish the highest of all GTAs in the X-Stats though? Still, that doesn't explain how it lost to God of War...just...ugh. I can see how Oblivion and Tales took advantage of the PS2 split, but I have no idea how God of War beat San Andreas. What an odd result.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 6/17/2009 11:12:27 AM | message detail

Best match of Round 1? Yes.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/17/2009 11:49:10 AM | message detail

2004-2006 Round 1: Halo 2 vs Metal Gear Solid 3 vs Okami vs World of Warcraft

Halo 2 - 25860 [21.78%]
Metal Gear Solid 3 - 41987 [35.35%]
Okami - 22384 [18.85%]
World of Warcraft - 28529 [24.02%]
Total Votes - 118760

One of the biggest arguments pre-contest was the potential strength of WoW. A lot of people figured it would suck because of how bad it always did in past polls, others figured it would be a lot stronger because of rallying potential (and pre-contest, a lot of people were on edge about Blizzard games), while others had it winning the entire contest. Lucid Faia, who once came a single point away from a perfect bracket, picked WoW to win this entire contest. There was no real way to settle this until match time, so a lot of people decided to stop talking about it until the proper time.

When the match finally began, all we knew for sure is Metal Gear Solid 3 was a complete lock for first place. The other three games fought it out for a few minutes, but everything took form soon enough. Okami fell off at the ten minute mark, never to be heard from again as Halo 2 and WoW were tied and fighting it out for second place. 20 minutes later, WoW had a lead of over 100 on Halo 2 and the match was essentially over. There would be no miracle ASV pushes from a Halo this time, only a big prolonged stall once WoW's lead hit 2700 or so. Halo 2 actually needed the morning vote and ASV pushes just to hold off Okami and avoid last place. Okami had come back from down 550 votes to Halo, only to watch it all blow up in smoke come the ASV.

The damage to Halo 2 however was done. Not only did it not contend for second place, it needed an ASV push to prevent coming in LAST PLACE. Casual shooters bombing all over, etc etc. If there was any doubt about Fallout 3 > Halo 3 being the easy pick for the final match of this round, that ended today. And while World of Warcraft came in second place, I don't think it was because of rallying or voodoo or any weird mumbo-jumbo. This is likely as strong as the game is -- decent, but nothing overpowering, and surely nothing that would get it a contest-winning bandwagon. Barring a miracle, it was done in round 2.

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firebotslash | Posted 6/17/2009 1:04:43 PM | message detail

that san andreas/oblivion/tos/gow match is still the most surprising result of any contest match EVER imo.

honestly the consensus was the exact opposite (or maybe oblivion in third over tos). the expected winner got LAST. that just doesn't happen. ever.

weirdest match ever. at least it was entertaining.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/17/2009 1:04:55 PM | message detail

2004-2006 Round 1: Gears of War vs Kingdom Hearts 2 vs Resident Evil 4 vs Shadow of the Colossus

Gears of War - 18070 [13.88%]
Kingdom Hearts 2 - 43773 [33.61%]
Resident Evil 4 - 44498 [34.17%]
Shadow of the Colossus - 23885 [18.34%]
Total Votes - 130226

There were two games in this contest -- Shadow of the Colossus and Chrono Cross -- that I wanted to see lose more than any other. They're the two most overrated games ever made. After this match, I got my wish. I would have rather Shadow of the Colossus scored like 2%, but I'll take what I can get. This result still flooded the board with the "SHADOW OF THE COLOSSUS IS ART YOU GUYS ALL SUCK" topics I was hoping to see from its whiny-ass fanbase, so I was not disappointed at all. Good show! Nothing beats the sound of crying from a bad game's whiny fanbase. Nothing. I bet some of those people were even crying in real life, which makes the loss even better for me. I didn't end up winning this contest or even coming close, but man did I love a good deal of the results in it. With that out of the way, [insert some overused line about casual shooters doing bad]. Gears of War bombed, even though no one expected it to win. Et cetera.

The real match here was obviously the battle for first place, and for once a battle for first place mattered because there was no way both RE4 and KH2 were going to get late into the contest this way. Whoever won this was almost a lock to repeat the effort in round 2, while the loser would likely repeat the trend and lose. This wasn't Mario Kart vs Super Metroid, because both games ended up in a big SNES cluster**** in round 2 and you couldn't guarantee a repeat of trends. This was much much different.

The two games obviously ended up very close, but they weren't supposed to be. Before the contest, the consensus for the final was LTTP, FF7, Ocarina and FFX, with FFX being the most likely game not to make it. Contenders to upset it included... pretty much anything in the bottom half of the bracket if you were biased enough, but the big names were Brawl, Galaxy, Twilight Princess, Resident Evil 4, Metal Gear Solid 4 and even Metal Gear Solid.

When you're a contender to possibly make the final, you don't go out and struggle to beat Kingdom Hearts 2. Kingdom Hearts is a strong series and all, but it's not finals-caliber. And for a time in this match, it looked like RE4 was in real danger of getting second place. It did well enough in the early parts of the poll, building a lead for itself overnight even though KH2 was performing well. But then the morning vote hit and all bets were off. KH2 started slowly chipping away at a very consistent rate come morning time, and continued chipping away all the way through the DSV. By the time that magical 3:00 p.m. EST came around, a lead that was once 1250 votes was down to 736, and we hadn't seen the insane Kingdom Hearts ASV yet.

It looked like KH2 would catch fire with the ASV like it always does and win this match easily, but somehow it did not. Instead we got a prolonged, drawn-out, hours-long stall all the way until the end of the match. At 3, RE4's lead was 736. It ended up winning by 725 votes. An 11 shift in 9 hours is about as close a stall as one could imagine, and any potential KH2 pushes were met with pushbacks (at one point the lead was below 600, but it never felt like we were moving out of stall-land) until the end of the match and RE4's win here.

UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/17/2009 1:04:59 PM | message detail

But it was a Pyrrhic victory at best. This match proved RE4 was not a contender to make the final, and in all honestly it got lucky to get first place here. Holding off the entirety of the Kingdom Hearts day vote to win is no easy feat, and it basically won because of building up that 1250 vote lead overnight. Had Kingdom Hearts even prevented a 1000 vote lead overnight, things might have been different here. And if the original Kingdom Hearts were in this match instead of 2, I'm positive RE4 loses this -- X-Stats be damned.

The other main reason RE4 won is because it's a quasi-Nintendo game. How else do you explain holding off the vaunted Kingdom Hearts day vote? You need a fanbase that also has a passable day vote, and Nintendo has one. In a way, RE4's massive overlapped fanbase is a blessing and a curse.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/17/2009 1:05:12 PM | message detail

Lucid Faia, who once came a single point away from a perfect bracket, picked WoW to win this entire contest.

If this is true, then he has no right to make fun of anyone for making a stupid pick ever again.

Okami fell off at the ten minute mark, never to be heard from again

Hey, it got ahead of Halo 2 at one point for a while!
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 6/17/2009 1:32:35 PM | message detail

This is likely as strong as the game is -- decent, but nothing overpowering,

finally someone got it.
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Anagram | Posted 6/17/2009 1:35:36 PM | message detail

Half-Life 2 - 32865 [25385%]

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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/17/2009 8:22:02 PM | message detail

I still find it funny that Half-Life 2 and Call of Duty 4 were the only casual shooters not to embarass themselves.

Then again, this contest is called Best. Game. Ever., and both Half-Life 2 and Call of Duty 4 have been named Best Game Ever by other websites. So...

Then again, the website that named HL2 as best game ever had DOOM and GTAIII in the top ten and Elite and Turrican 2 there as well, and the guys who named Call of Duty 4 as best game ever had Halo 3 at 6th and Gears of War at 10th.

Does ANY site like Kingdom Hearts or Smash more than us???

KanzarisKelshen | Posted 6/17/2009 8:22:52 PM | message detail

Maybe Smashboards for Smash. As for KH...nah.

SonicRaptor | Posted 6/17/2009 8:37:53 PM | message detail

For one day, a casual shooter bothered not embarrassing itself.

I really would not call the HL series casual, it seriously has one of the most hardcore gaming fanbases I have ever seen.

But it's just not here so it's very deceiving.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/17/2009 8:43:57 PM | message detail

Half-Life 1 embarassed itself.

Thus proving that all of Gordon Freeman's boost went to HL2.

I also thought that Twilight Princess would be a flop in the contest. I mean, Midna turned out to be a decent midcarder at best, and Ganondorf stunk it up last year.

Also, it seems that KH2 would beat GoldenEye, which I absolutely hate.

Big Bob | Posted 6/17/2009 9:08:18 PM | message detail

I can't wait until we get Melee vs. Brawl in a poll.

Ulti's whining will overshadow the last 7 years of contests.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/17/2009 9:22:49 PM | message detail

From: Big Bob | Posted: 6/17/2009 11:08:18 PM | #264
I can't wait until we get Melee vs. Brawl in a poll.

Ulti's whining will overshadow the last 7 years of contests.

I actually have no plan to trash Brawl at all here, believe it or not.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/17/2009 9:23:24 PM | message detail

Yeah, reposting that. Terrible typo.

2004-2006 Round 1: Final Fantasy 12 vs Half-Life 2 vs Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney vs Zelda: Twilight Princess

Final Fantasy 12 - 30065 [23.65%]
Half-Life 2 - 32865 [25.85%]
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - 14495 [11.4%]
Zelda: Twilight Princess - 49715 [39.1%]
Total Votes - 127140

Phoenix had the standard Board 8-infused early lead, but finished about where he was expected. And one day after RE4 proved it was not a finals contender (but still had good matches left in it), Twilight Princess went out and killed its own poll, putting itself into the discussion.

Though it was never really in question, the real match here was Final Fantasy 12 vs Half-Life 2 for second place. Twilight Princess > Half-Life 2 was the major consensus here, but with all the casual shooters committing suicide this contest, FF12 > HL2 looked like a possibility more and more with each passing day. FF12 is about as mixed as a fanbase can be, but a mainstream Final Fantasy outright bombing is rare. This all added up to some rather worried people come match time, but this was laid to rest fairly quickly.

At the beginning, Half-Life 2 built a 1000 vote lead in a little over two hours. And though FF12 did far better from this point until the end of the poll -- the lead only increased from 1000 to 2800 by the end, with a lot of prolonged stall periods -- Final Fantasy 12 never threatened a comeback or anything of the sort. This was one of those matches whose end result was only close on paper, but the winner was never in doubt. For one day, a casual shooter bothered not embarrassing itself. And make no mistake; losing to Final Fantasy 12 would have been VERY embarrassing.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/18/2009 12:42:50 AM | message detail

To poor salt on the wounds, Twilight Princess was 96th in Edge's Top 100 Games to Play Today List while Half-Life 2 was 3rd in that same list. And Resident Evil 4 was 4th, and Metal Gear Solid 3 was 21st.

I have to wonder if any site likes Twilight Princess more than us. I've had a theory that most of the casuals aren't allowed to play mature games and so they anti-vote them, explaining why mature games always do badly.

Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 6/18/2009 4:30:24 AM | message detail

Man in this site not only Nintendo wins but PC-games do very worse.I mean in another BGE in Gamespy Half-Life won the entire contest while here who won?That is right OOT.And in the previous contest that happened about the same time as Gamespy's?That is right FF7!
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brian sulpher | Posted 6/18/2009 6:09:32 AM | message detail

Ulti analysis topic.

I summarized that nicely.
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Meeks54 | Posted 6/18/2009 7:11:13 AM | message detail

From: Safer Sephiroth 777 | #268
Man in this site not only Nintendo wins but PC-games do very worse.I mean in another BGE in Gamespy Half-Life won the entire contest while here who won?That is right OOT.And in the previous contest that happened about the same time as Gamespy's?That is right FF7!

To be fair, had Diablo II not been allowed to blatantly cheat, OoT would have probably won Gamespy's in 2004 as well, at the very worst it would have been Final Four. That said, Gamespy is absolutely worthless PC fanboys, and who cares who wins there? Nintendo is popular everywhere, OoT is lauded as one of the best games everywhere. Where we differ from the rest of the gaming sites is our love of everything Square. While FF, KH, and CT are popular other places online, it is nothing like here.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/18/2009 7:15:53 AM | message detail

Well, in that contest Ocarina of Time lost to Diablo II in the quarterfinals. That was after SFFing Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow in round 1, blowing out Myst in round 2, and beating Knights of the Old Republic (which was an extra-life coming off of defeating Chrono Trigger and Grim Fandango). Come to think of it, let me go through some results to see if they would happen on GameFAQs.

DOOM > Marathon - Yep, would definetely happen. I wonder how bad the votals would be here.
Resident Evil 2 > Castlevania: Symphony of the Night - In 2004 I would've thought that SotN would win this hands down, but now I think it's still RE2 who wins.
EverQuest > Ultima Online - Nowadays I think this site doesn't give a damn about any MMOs aside from World of Warcraft.
Deus Ex > System Shock 2 - VERY low votal-scoring match, but same result.
Punch-Out!! > Madden NFL 2004 - Yeah yeah blah blah blah (though it's funny to note that Madden was the consensus prediction by the Gamespy crew to win).
Mario Kart 64 > Gran Turismo 3 - Most definetely the result.
Tony Hawk 2 > SSX 3 - Who the hell cares?
Soul Calibur II > Virtua Fighter 4: Evolution - Still the most likely result
Pac-Man > Donkey Kong - hahahahahahahaha
Tetris > Pong - No doubts here
Street Fighter II > Contra - yeah yeah yeah blah blah blah
Super Mario Bros. 3 > Sonic the Hedgehog - Already saw it
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City > Mega Man X - Probably ends up being much closer than 70-30, but same result I would think
Metal Gear Solid > Splinter Cell - Same Genre SFF?
SimCity 2000 > The Sims - I think The Sims would win on this site, though of course just barely
Civilization III > Final Fantasy Tactics - Wow is this something that would most definetely not happen on this site, even with how weak FFT turned out to be
Zelda: Ocarina of Time > Pokemon Red/Blue - Pokemon held up better here than there
Myst > Zork - Who the hell cares?
Grim Fandango > Gabriel Knight 2 - At least those who have followed the contests know what GF is.
Chrono Trigger > Final Fantasy VII - Aint happening here, son (surprising thing is that FF7 was the consensus prediction by the Gamespy crew to win the division)
StarCraft > Command and Conquer: Red Alert - RTS SFF?
Warcraft III > Age of Empires II - No change here, despite what the list may tell us
Fallout 2 > Baldur's Gate II - Probably same result
Diablo II > Knights of the Old Republic - Already saw it
Halo > GoldenEye 007 - I think it's comfortable to say that GoldenEye wins here, despite what the x-stats from the previous contest may tell us.
Quake > Duke Nukem 3d - Who the hell cares?
TIE Fighter - Mechwarrior 2 - TIE Fighter wins based on name value
Super Metroid > Metroid Prime - no change here, despite what the x-stats may say
Half-Life > Jedi Knight II - Who cares?
Quake II > Tomb Raider - Gee, I wonder who wins on GameFAQs.
Unreal Tournament > Battlefield 1942 - Once again, I don't know who wins on this site
Counter-Strike > Raven Shield - And all of Tom Clancy was out in the first round that contest, and I doubt things are much different this year

SonicRaptor | Posted 6/18/2009 7:17:49 PM | message detail

Man in this site not only Nintendo wins but PC-games do very worse.I mean in another BGE in Gamespy Half-Life won the entire contest while here who won?That is right OOT.And in the previous contest that happened about the same time as Gamespy's?That is right FF7!

Gamespy is filled with PC Supremacists.

Monkey Island would be a an upper mid-carder if this bracket was on Gamespy.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/18/2009 8:43:38 PM | message detail

According to Dork Club's Top 25 Games List from 2005, Ocarina of Time should've lost in the first round. Here was how the list went.

1. Super Metroid
2. Chrono Trigger
3. Metal Gear Solid
4. Final Fantasy VI
5. Final Fantasy VII
6. Half-Life
7. Tetris
8. Super Smash Bros. Melee
9. Super Mario 64
10. Earthbound
11. Chrono Cross
12. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
13. Final Fantasy X
14. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
15. Super Mario World
16. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
17. The Legend of Zelda
18. StarCraft
19. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
20. Ico
21. Grand Theft Auto III
22. Sid Meier's Civilization
23. Metroid
24. Diablo
25. Bionic Commando

Big Bob | Posted 6/18/2009 8:45:56 PM | message detail

According to Big Bob's list of games he likes, Ocarina of Time got the placing it deserves.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/18/2009 11:21:48 PM | message detail

I just wrote a giant review for Radiant Dawn, so I'm burned out on writing for today.
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DrIglooBob | Posted 6/19/2009 12:23:02 AM | message detail

I think RE4 is the most underrated game on this site, I've thought that every time we've seen anything related to it in a contest. RE4 is, in my mind (and seemingly the same for most people who've played it) a top 10 game of all time. Top 10 games don't struggle to beat KH2, I don't think.

Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 6/19/2009 6:19:56 AM | message detail

True RE4 is a top 10 game ever.But in this site it loses to so many games of course.Makes sense right?
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greatone10 | Posted 6/19/2009 6:39:46 AM | message detail

RE4 actually seems to be a decently strong game on this site. It just so happened to end up stuck with a bunch of games that were a little bit stronger like TP and MGS4. KHII was also supremely underrated, and is way stronger here than on any other site.

I would give it a good chance of being stronger than those games in five years, except maybe TP.
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L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 6/19/2009 8:20:25 AM | message detail

RE4 is pretty strong on GameFAQs. Not Top 10 here, but surely not the most underrated game on GameFAQs when you have, say, the entire PC library performing horribly.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/19/2009 9:55:48 AM | message detail

The fact that it was the only game in the quarterfinals that wasn't part of a big-name franchise or from a well-liked genre is a huge achievement. Too bad I won't get to a playthrough for a long time.

As an aside, let's looks at statistics for 7th generation games; here are the ones from the bottom two divisions that have been named, by any site, as one of the ten best games of all time.

Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (Highest position: 9th)
God of War (Highest Position: 6th)
Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (Highest Position: 5th)
World of Warcraft (Highest Position: 3rd)
Halo 2 (Highest Position: 6th)
Resident Evil 4 (Highest Position: 1st)
Gears of War (Highest Position: 10th)
Half-Life 2 (Highest Position: 1st)
Grand Theft Auto IV (Highest Position: 4th)
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (Highest Position: 1st)
Super Mario Galaxy (Highest Position: 5th)
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots (Highest Position: 4th)
Halo 3 (Highest Position: 6th)

Also, Mario Kart Wii made top 10 in Official Nintendo Magazine's Top 100, but that was restricted to Nintendo consoles. Also, Brawl and Twilight Princess haven't made a top ten yet. Wow is this site full of fanboys. Oh, and Oblivion was very close to making a top 10 once.

One thing I find funny is that Super Mario Galaxy was Nintendo Power's UNANIMOUS decision for Best Game on the Wii. Kinda funny given what we saw in this contest, no?

charmander6000 | Posted 6/19/2009 10:01:54 AM | message detail

I'm pretty sure that Super Mario Galaxy is the most loved Wii game (besides Resident Evil 4) based on the average gaming sites.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/19/2009 10:06:25 AM | message detail

Okay, I feel like doing it for the rest of the divisions as well. For the third quarter of the bracket, here are the games that have been in a top ten once.

Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow (Highest Position: 3rd)
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask (Highest Position: 7th)
Metal Gear Solid (Highest Position: 2nd)
StarCraft (Highest Position: 7th)
Soul Calibur (Highest Position: 3rd)
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (Highest Position: 1st)
Half-Life (Highest Position: 2nd)
Final Fantasy X (Highest Position: 1st)
Halo: Combat Evolved (Highest Position: 7th)
Grand Theft Auto III (Highest Position: 4th)
Super Smash Bros. Melee (Highest Position: 6th)

Comments: Take a look at this list: it's from Electronic Gaming Monthly (2001), if I remember correctly.

1. Super Metroid
2. Tetris
3. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
4. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
5. Super Mario 64
6. Soul Calibur
7. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
8. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
9. Final Fantasy VI
10. Super Mario World

That ought to please some people. Also, it must be noted that Metroid Prime made Nintendo Power's top ten back in 2005, but that was restricted to Nintendo consoles. Wind Waker was 4th in that same list (above all Mario games! And RE4 was 2nd). Finally, it's somewhat funny to note that SSBM's highest position comes from GameFAQs itself, and the highest position would be 8th otherwise.

LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/19/2009 10:21:25 AM | message detail

Entire Top Half of the Bracket

Tetris (Highest Position: 1st)
Mega Man 2 (Highest Position: 2nd)
Super Mario Bros. (Highest Position: 1st)
The Legend of Zelda (Highest Position: 1st)
Metroid (Highest Position: 6th)
Sonic the Hedgehog (Highest Position: 8th)
Street Fighter II (Highest Position: 5th)
Sid Meier's Civilization (Highest Position: 4th)
Super Mario Bros. 3 (Highest Position: 2nd)
Super Mario World (Highest Position: 1st)
Super Metroid (Highest Position: 1st)
Super Mario Kart (Highest Position: 6th)
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (Highest Position: 1st)
DOOM (Highest Position: 1st)
Final Fantasy VI (Highest Position: 4th)
GoldenEye 007 (Highest Position: 4th)
Final Fantasy VII (Highest Position: 1st)
Super Mario 64 (Highest Position: 1st)
Castlevania: Symphony of the Night (Highest Position: 4th)
Chrono Trigger (Highest Position: 2nd)
Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island (Highest Position: 7th)
EarthBound (Highest Position: 10th)

Comments: Mike Tyson's Punch Out!! made the top 10 in Nintendorks's list, but that was restricted to Nintendo consoles. Also, Pac-Man and Space Invaders made the top ten in EGM's most recent list, but that was Best Games of Their Time, not Best Games of All Time, so there. It's somewhat funny to note than Monkey Island 2 has been in a top ten but not MI1. Final Fantasy IV and Mario Kart 64 made the top ten in Nintendo Power's first list (MK64 only behind A Link to the Past, Tetris, and Super Mario 64), but that was...well, you get the point. It's also somewhat ironic that DOOM lost in the first round when according to many sites it should've WON its entire division.

firebotslash | Posted 6/19/2009 11:57:29 AM | message detail

see every site is different. not everyone loves zelda and ff as much as we do.

tbh I always thought mario would win in 2002
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/19/2009 12:05:05 PM | message detail

From: LinkMarioSamus | Posted: 6/19/2009 11:55:48 AM | #281
The fact that it was the only game in the quarterfinals that wasn't part of a big-name franchise or from a well-liked genre is a huge achievement. Too bad I won't get to a playthrough for a long time.

As an aside, let's looks at statistics for 7th generation games; here are the ones from the bottom two divisions that have been named, by any site, as one of the ten best games of all time.

Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (Highest position: 9th)
God of War (Highest Position: 6th)
Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (Highest Position: 5th)
World of Warcraft (Highest Position: 3rd)
Halo 2 (Highest Position: 6th)
Resident Evil 4 (Highest Position: 1st)
Gears of War (Highest Position: 10th)
Half-Life 2 (Highest Position: 1st)
Grand Theft Auto IV (Highest Position: 4th)
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (Highest Position: 1st)
Super Mario Galaxy (Highest Position: 5th)
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots (Highest Position: 4th)
Halo 3 (Highest Position: 6th)

Also, Mario Kart Wii made top 10 in Official Nintendo Magazine's Top 100, but that was restricted to Nintendo consoles. Also, Brawl and Twilight Princess haven't made a top ten yet. Wow is this site full of fanboys. Oh, and Oblivion was very close to making a top 10 once.

One thing I find funny is that Super Mario Galaxy was Nintendo Power's UNANIMOUS decision for Best Game on the Wii. Kinda funny given what we saw in this contest, no?

Why do you know or care about any of this crap?
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/19/2009 12:42:55 PM | message detail

2007-2009 Round 1: Grand Theft Auto 4 vs Persona 4 vs Street Fighter 4 vs Super Smash Bros. Brawl

Grand Theft Auto 4 - 31734 [26.2%]
Persona 4 - 16200 [13.37%]
Street Fighter 4 - 16207 [13.38%]
Super Smash Bros. Brawl - 56989 [47.05%]
Total Votes - 121130

SO MANY FOURS. And oh lovely, the 2007-2009 division. So much whining pre-contest about how these games all sucked compared to past divisions. I didn't bother hopping on that train, because I haven't played a lot of these games yet. I mean sure I hated Brawl and a ton of these games are sequels and rehashes, but I loved Portal and MGS4 and I'm told I'll love BioShock and Fallout 3 and Persona 4. Just at a cursory glance, you have a few great games, a lot of good games and a lot of crap. Isn't that any gaming generation, really?

Anyhoo, this was a fun match. Brawl > GTA4 was the easy pick here, though some people figured Street Fighter 4's recent release and well-done online would help it threaten a dying GTA series.

Yeah, no. Yeeah.... no. Yeeeeeeeah noooooo, yeeeeeah noooooooooooo.

Street Fighter 4 turned out so weak that it provided us with the most entertaining fight for third place we'll ever see. But more on that in a second. Brawl > GTA4 was the easy pick, but Brawl dominating the hell out of this match took a lot of people by surprise given the mixed reviews it's gotten. Well mixed on Board 8 and among some the Melee tournament people, anyway. I say some of the Melee tournament people for a reason, since the stereotype is really stupid. Believe it or not, it isn't just tourneycrabs whining about Brawl not being Melee. Most of the Melee pros actually moved on to Brawl and are having a grand old time.

Regardless, Brawl dominated the hell out of this match, GTA4 scored an easy second place and Street Fighter 4 embarrassed itself in any way you can think of. It was one of the six replacements in the bracket, and it came out and.... sucked. It was in last place for over an hour, to a cult game that sold like 19 copies. I'd love to give Street Fighter some credit for fighting back from an early last place, then stalling for hours, then fighting back from down 300, then being pretty much tied for hours, and then ultimately coming back again in the final two hours to "win", but I can't. I know Board 8 loves Persona 4 and all, but let's be honest about its contest strength. It has none. Street Fighter 4 having to fight back three times to avoid scoring last place at the hands of Persona 4, when some were expecting a second place finish, is about as sad as it gets. Galaxy ended up the biggest bomb of the contest without question, but I'd argue this very match featured the most disappointing entrant.

By the way, this match proved once and for all that Board 8's fabled last-minute rallying power is irrelevant; all the big last-minute pushes clearly come from the collective whole, not a couple of people on one board. You people couldn't find 8 more votes to save your latest fad? Against a game that was in the poll with two hands around its own neck? Really? You guys more or less lost to the Mets.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/19/2009 12:43:29 PM | message detail

2007-2009 Round 1: Call of Duty 4 vs Pokemon Diamond/Pearl vs Super Mario Galaxy vs Team Fortress 2

Call of Duty 4 - 40675 [35.79%]
Pokemon Diamond/Pearl - 26587 [23.4%]
Super Mario Galaxy - 32351 [28.47%]
Team Fortress 2 - 14021 [12.34%]
Total Votes - 113634

The vastly overwhelming consensus for this match is even with Pokemon in the poll, Galaxy > Call of Duty 4 should have been a gimme match regardless of how strong most of us figured CoD4 would be. Galaxy was supposed to be a monster -- the one game universally beloved on the Wii despite everyone realizing how terrible the Wii is.

Then it comes out and threatens Starcraft's position as bigger bomb of the contest. Call of Duty 4 rocked Mario's face, and essentially guaranteed a Brawl > Galaxy result in round 2 given how well Brawl did in its poll a day prior to this. Even if you want to take the route of Pokemon LFFing Galaxy to a second place finish here, this still boded terrible for Galaxy. If a second-rate Pokemon title could leech Mario this badly, think what a Smash Brothers game would do. There was no amount of explaining that could brush off how badly Galaxy did here, and it would get waaaaaaaaaay worse in round 2.
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KommunistKoala | Posted 6/19/2009 12:44:09 PM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 6/19/2009 11:05:05 AM | #286
Why do you know or care about any of this crap?

From: UItimaterializer | Posted: 6/17/2009 12:12:37 AM | #237
Dude let the guy have some fun, who cares. It's something random and helps me bump the topic.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/19/2009 12:44:59 PM | message detail

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Some_Character | Posted 6/19/2009 12:45:47 PM | message detail

After that match, I never saw Mega 64 again.
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Lord_Yggdrassil | Posted 6/19/2009 3:48:50 PM | message detail

Nothing beats the sound of crying from a bad game's whiny fanbase

Except it's not a bad game so you fail right there.
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greatone10 | Posted 6/19/2009 4:59:59 PM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 6/19/2009 11:43:29 AM | #289
and essentially guaranteed a Brawl > Galaxy result in round 2

You mean Brawl > CoD4, right?
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KommunistKoala | Posted 6/19/2009 5:02:14 PM | message detail

No, I think he means Brawl beating Galaxy.

Not the order of the fourway, just that Brawl would beat SMG
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charmander6000 | Posted 6/19/2009 5:18:49 PM | message detail

You mean Brawl > CoD4, right?

If you don't know now Ulti doesn't really like Brawl and was one of the biggest supporters for Galaxy being stronger than Brawl.
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Ngamer64 | Posted 6/19/2009 6:19:50 PM | message detail

I still say everyone's been way too harsh on Galaxy. I mean we're talking about a year where Pokemon thumped Majora's Mask and FFT, beat FF8 and MGS and Melee cleanly, and was only a triple SFFing away from topping FFX. Yet it's unreasonable to assume that Pokemon held Mario back?

Yes, the Brawl beatdown was bad, but we've already seen how ugly things can get when you go up against THE #1 game on a Nintendo system with limited options, as the N64 and Wii have been. SMG was only blown out as badly as Mario 64 and GE were five years ago, and as we found out this season those games are far from chumps.

Galaxy's obviously well below that 3/W/64 tier, but I'm still going to hold out some decent faith in it if we get a 1v1 Contest in the future.

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SonicRaptor | Posted 6/19/2009 6:32:52 PM | message detail

I also do not believe that D/P is a "second rate" Pokemon series like Ulti stated previously. The series is recent and popular enough to have an impact not to mention it has one of the most active Pokemon communities online right now. I think that bumps it up quite a bit and causes LFF with Galaxy.

Now, if we are talking about R/S/E then, yes, that would be second rate and truly embarassing.
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charmander6000 | Posted 6/19/2009 6:37:42 PM | message detail

RSE is more like third rate while DPP is second rate.
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L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 6/19/2009 6:58:27 PM | message detail

From: Some_Character | #292
After that match, I never saw Mega 64 again.

R.I.P. Mega64.
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Brawl did well for me, but not enough to net me the Guru win over Krahenprophet, so kudos to him.

LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/19/2009 8:54:11 PM | message detail

As I said, Mario Galaxy getting SFFd by another Wii game is funny given how it was Nintendo Power's unanimous decision for Best Wii Game, but it seems like this site doesn't care about recent Mario or Final Fantasy. What if Half-Life 2 and Call of Duty 4's bracket positions were reversed?

And yeah, I figured that Brawl would be stronger than Galaxy without much issue. If MELEE was stronger than MARIO 64, then Brawl would no doubt be stronger than Galaxy (though I thought without much analysis that Brawl > Melee).

I still hate the fact that Brawl turns out to be GameFAQs' #3 game. Grrrrrrrrrrr...........

But hey, Call of Duty 4 was coming off of being named the Best Game Ever by a British poll, and that's what this contest is called, right? Of course, as I said, the only three games from the bottom two divisions that have been given that honor are Resident Evil 4, Half-Life 2, and Call of Duty 4, and this site would most definetely not agree. There's also the matter of Twilight Princess and Brawl still failing to make any top tens so far (even including Official Nintendo Magazine's list), despite them being the strongest games from the bottom quarter of the bracket. Uhm...here is how Official Nintendo Magazine's list goes as far as I remember.

1. Super Mario Bros.
2. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
3. Super Mario Galaxy
4. Mario Kart Wii
5. Tetris
6. Super Mario 64
7. Super Mario World
8. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
9. Resident Evil 4
10. Super Street Fighter II
11. Super Mario Bros. 3
12. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
13. Super Mario Kart
14. Star Fox 64
15. Super Smash Bros. Brawl
16. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
17. Mario Kart 64
18. Metroid Prime
19. Advance Wars: Days of Ruin
20. Pokemon Diamond/Pearl/Platinum
21. Wii Sports
22. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
23. Animal Crossing: Wild World
24. Super Metroid

Finally, I find it funny that on Empire Magazine's list Brawl placed 80th, whlie GTAIV was 16th, SMG was 24th, CoD4 was 4th, MGS4 was 32nd, RE4 was 30th, and TP was 63rd, so...

And before the contest, I would've taken StarCraft, Halo, and Symphony of the Night to beat Mario Galaxy, based on the list. I wonder if those three would still do so.

charmander6000 | Posted 6/19/2009 10:02:24 PM | message detail

Being curious LinkMarioSamus, how do you think the contest would have gone if every gaming site got a chance to vote?

1972-1988: Nothing much, Punch-Out!! could defeat Donkey Kong and Duck Hunt could defeat Ninja Gaiden, but I'm pretty sure Tetris > MM2 and SMB > LoZ would still happen.

1989-1991: Sonic 1/Street Fighter II would be debatable with the winner advancing with SMB3. SMW would destroy its first two rounds, but I see the Final Fantasys moving on like they did on GameFAQs. SMB3/SMW is still debatable.

1992-1994: This is where the fun starts. Doom will not only advance, but threaten LttP. Super Metroid should have an easier time winning its match and LA will probably lose to MMX with FFVI winning the match. Sonic 2/MMX would be a great match and even Mortal Kombat II could take the upset. The finalist will be LttP and Doom.

1995-1997: GoldenEye and Resident Evil 2 will take the first match with SMRPG getting a respectable third. FFVII won't be as dominant and could be eliminated as early as round 2, though I don't see it making it out of this division. Super Mario 64 will dominate everyone except GoldenEye while SotN/RE should have a good match. CT would probably take first in the first round, but like FFVII it will be in danger of being eliminated by round 2 and it won't make it out of the division.

1998-2000: Pokemon > MM will probably still be the result though PD and BK won't die. Deus Ex could probably take second in its match as MGS defeats Pokemon rather easily. Starcraft would have dominated its match and Soul Calibur has a chance against FFVIII. OoT should win the division, but MGS/Starcraft/Half-Life will be interesting to watch, though I have to give it to Half-Life.

2001-2003: MGS2 > FFX seems right, but Morrowind and SH2 won't be far off. Vice City will easily win its match with Metroid Prime, but Kingdom Hearts could upset. D2/Halo/GTAIII/KotOR will probably be as close, I'll probably go with Diablo II and Halo in some order. Vice City/MGS2/MP would be a good match while Melee will probably be dragged down by Wind Waker so much that it'll fail to place. I see no clear favourites in this division.

2004-2006: This will probably be the toughest division to predict; they were already close based on our x-stats. One thing I can say with confidence is that Resident Evil 4 and Half-Life 2 would most likely make it out of the division. RE4 > Gears of War and HL2 > Twilight Princess is the most likely result on the bottom half while six of the eight games on the top half all have cases to reach round 3. My bracket would go San Andreas > Oblivion.

2007-2009: Brawl won't defeat GTAIV as easily, but the same result should occur while the rest of round 1 should go as planned with the possibility of Bioshock defeating Portal. Call of Duty 4 shouldn't have any problems defeating Brawl and the division final will be CoD4 and MGS4 in some order.

Final: Like FFX Doom rides the SFF train to the final along with the winner of SMB3/SMW/SM64, though GoldenEye also has a small chance. The bottom half will have Ocarina of Time as usual, but the second game could be anything. Resident Evil 4 seems like the safest bet though Half-Life 2 could pull it off.
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L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 6/19/2009 10:05:05 PM | message detail

I request you make a bracket based on how morbidly-obese homosexual Norwegians who have suffered one or more heart attacks would vote!
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charmander6000 | Posted 6/19/2009 10:15:27 PM | message detail

You mean Steve? I'll go ask him.
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KommunistKoala | Posted 6/19/2009 10:22:52 PM | message detail

ATTN: Linksamuswhocares

From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 6/19/2009 11:05:05 AM | #286
Why do you know or care about any of this crap?

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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/20/2009 12:16:16 AM | message detail

Actually no, Super Metroid/Super Mario Kart would still be debatable and Metroid Prime would probably own its half division. Also Diablo II and SSBM don't have much critical acclaim; just loads of fans; therefore Halo/GTAIII/KOTOR/Wind Waker will walk all over them. God of War likely defeats Oblivion, GTAIV likely defeats Brawl, CoD4/SMG can go either way depending on whether the PC side or console side votes, Fallout 3 can threaten MGS4, stuff happens. Also, Mario Kart Wii would've likely made the contest (worst snub of the contest perhaps). Going by consensus top tens and disregarding SFF, Super Metroid advances out of its division, etc. Also, FF7 still likely wins its division; just that Chrono Trigger probably does worse. Look, here are some recent top tens that prove that FF7 advances out of its division.

Empire Magazine
1. Super Mario World
2. Final Fantasy VII
3. World of Warcraft
4. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
5. Sid Meier's Civilization
6. Street Fighter II
7. DOOM
8. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
9. Super Mario 64
10. GoldenEye 007

VGChartz
1. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
2. Final Fantasy VII
3. Super Mario Bros. 3
4. Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots
5. Super Mario Galaxy
6. Super Mario 64
7. Resident Evil 4
8. Final Fantasy VI
9. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
10. Super Mario World

Game.co.uk Poll
1. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
2. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
3. Final Fantasy VII
4. Grand Theft Auto IV
5. Super Mario 64
6. GoldenEye 007
7. Halo 3
8. Metal Gear Solid
9. Half-Life 2
10. Gears of War

Stuff Magazine
1. Half-Life 2
2. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
3. Final Fantasy VII
4. GoldenEye 007
5. Super Mario World
6. Elite
7. Sonic the Hedgehog
8. DOOM
9. Grand Theft Auto III
10. Turrican 2

Aside from that, on Entertainment Weekly's list only SMG and Halo stood between FF7 and the top ten, FF7 did horrible on IGN's list (76th!), didn't do much better on the readers' choice list (30th!), got 47th on Edge's list, and, well, you get the point. According to IGN Readers' list, Final Fantasy VII should lose to Ratchet and Clank: Up Your Arsenal, Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory, and Shenmue II, which is funny considering that those three didn't even make the contest.

Oh yeah, and isn't it ironic that Gamespy, a mostly PC website, likes FFXII more than Oblivion when GameFAQs likes Oblivion more? Then again, Gamespy likes FFXII the most out of the 3d FFs (they called FF7 the 7th most overrated game of all time and gave FFX 4/5 stars).

It's also funny to consider that Edge gave SSBM a 6/10 and Halo a 10/10 when you consider what happened this contest.

LeonhartFour | Posted 6/20/2009 12:16:56 AM | message detail

...Does anyone read these posts?
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KommunistKoala | Posted 6/20/2009 12:17:01 AM | message detail

No it's not funny at all.
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KommunistKoala | Posted 6/20/2009 12:17:08 AM | message detail

Dear lord I hope not
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Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 6/20/2009 3:56:53 AM | message detail

LMS is a little kid.He has so much free time in his hands,so he can do all these stuff...
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Gaddswell | Posted 6/20/2009 4:30:23 AM | message detail

There's nothing wrong with the guy doing them.

Just skip them if you don't wanna read them.
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Calintares | Posted 6/20/2009 5:21:02 AM | message detail

And I though I was wasting my time when I did the geolocation stats for this contest.

btw. using geolocation made it apparent that OoT would get a nice win over FFVII in North America, and when you win with a good margin in the continent that makes up 75% of the voting block, then you have pretty much secured the victory no matter what the rest of the world says.
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Game_Of_Death | Posted 6/20/2009 9:06:30 AM | message detail

I consider LinkMarioSamus's posts to be a nice thing to hold me over while I wait for Ulti to post another analysis.
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Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 6/20/2009 9:14:41 AM | message detail

I didn't said that they were bad or pointless right?And OOT wins in North America,FF VII wins in all other continents...
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Calintares | Posted 6/20/2009 11:07:24 AM | message detail

It sure does, but when you compare the performances in North America for FFVII with the one for OoT:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3459&region=NAM

vs

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3465&region=NAM

and you note that in North America FFVII underperforms with 10% while OoT overperforms with 15%. (compared to the world average without NA

those two facts combined pretty much guarantee that in North America OoT is going to beat FFVII with more than 6%. and when you win with more than 6% in North America, then you have already won. The only way you might lose something like that would be if you are something like the Oregon Trail.

Later matches would only serve to hammer in this point. FFVII should never have been the favorite to take this.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/20/2009 12:56:43 PM | message detail

One thing I just noticed is that Metroid Prime was infected with GFNW. Ocarina of Time ended up being infected with the exact opposite of GFNW.

So Half-Life can pick off the absolute fodder, but HL2 can handle decent midcarders. Also, Twilight Princess's performance in this contest makes Ganondorf's horrible performance last character contest even more of a question mark, and I'm not buying the fact that Samus SFFd him. Samus SFFing a Zelda character just doesn't make any sense. If both of them get most of their strength from Smash it makes sense, but then...

Oh, and how did most Nintendo characters go down last character contest despite Brawl looking very good on this site so far?

UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/20/2009 12:58:03 PM | message detail

From: Gaddswell | Posted: 6/20/2009 6:30:23 AM | #312
There's nothing wrong with the guy doing them.

Just skip them if you don't wanna read them.

Yeah but this isn't the topic for it.
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KommunistKoala | Posted 6/20/2009 1:00:00 PM | message detail

From: LinkMarioSamus | Posted: 6/20/2009 11:56:43 AM | #317
One thing I just noticed is that Metroid Prime was infected with GFNW. Ocarina of Time ended up being infected with the exact opposite of GFNW.

What does this even mean.
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Kotetsu534 | Posted 6/20/2009 1:08:07 PM | message detail

O.o @ Persona 4 losing to SFIV by seven votes. Man that would've been a great win!

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ffmasterjose | Posted 6/20/2009 1:20:25 PM | message detail

Man who CARES about stupid magazine rankings?
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Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 6/20/2009 1:23:18 PM | message detail

I believe rankings shouldn't be considered by serious gamers.I mean if you like a game and you see that it has in Gamerankings something like 89,45% you will say<This game sucks,it isn't even in 90%!I will not buy it!?>Hope no-one does that...
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/20/2009 1:25:50 PM | message detail

I don't get why this of all topics has to be infected with this crap. It's so out of place and pointless.
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voltch | Posted 6/20/2009 1:27:04 PM | message detail

it's also loooooooooong.
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TheBeastWithin | Posted 6/20/2009 7:47:26 PM | message detail

I don't get why this of all topics has to be infected with this crap. It's so out of place and pointless.

Well, you encouraged him. Generally, when you tell someone what they are doing is fine and even helpful, they're not exactly going to stop, are they?
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LinkLegend27 | Posted 6/20/2009 7:56:16 PM | message detail

Tag, I'll get to reading all of this.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 6/20/2009 8:08:59 PM | message detail

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/20/2009 10:33:54 PM | message detail

From: TheBeastWithin | Posted: 6/20/2009 9:47:26 PM | #325
I don't get why this of all topics has to be infected with this crap. It's so out of place and pointless.

Well, you encouraged him. Generally, when you tell someone what they are doing is fine and even helpful, they're not exactly going to stop, are they?

Yeah, changed my mind. It was fun a month ago, but now it's just stupid.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/20/2009 10:44:53 PM | message detail

2007-2009 Round 1: BioShock vs LittleBigPlanet vs Metal Gear Solid 4 vs Portal

BioShock - 24944 [22.79%]
LittleBigPlanet - 12213 [11.16%]
Metal Gear Solid 4 - 45869 [41.91%]
Portal - 26420 [24.14%]
Total Votes - 109446

Metal Gear Solid 4 is one of my all-time favorite games, and I'm still in afterglow mode because I beat Portal yesterday and was shocked at how amazing it was. Every possible good emotion a game can give you, Portal gave me. So... yeah, I can't not be biased here. I haven't yet played BioShock and I stopped caring about LittleBigPlanet after playing it for 15 minutes. This was a great result, even if I couldn't fully appreciate it until yesterday. Portal rocked that much. Not trashing BioShock, I just can't make an opinion on something I've yet to play.

Anyway, MGS4 getting first here was a lock. LBP getting last was a lock. BioShock vs Portal was a tossup, because even though Portal getting second was the consensus what did we really know? Past polls had no good information on this, so it was more or less a guess. And since this board loves Portal to death (and now I know why!), Portal being the consensus in a tossup was no surprise.

Thankfully, this wasn't much of a match at all. Vote totals were obviously low, but an all-PS3 poll will do that. And yes, I'm aware BioShock and Portal are on other systems. Don't care.

Portal got the expected board vote, then did the "slowly increase lead and win easily in spite of the opponent getting a lot of stalls and small cuts" thing. BioShock made no major moves until the ASV, where it stalled Portal for a couple hours before shaving a 1600 vote lead down to a 1500 vote loss. Big whoop.

Deploying surprise in five... four...

God, what a ****ing amazing game Portal was. Words don't do it justice, and I really mean that.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/20/2009 10:54:41 PM | message detail

2007-2009 Round 1: Fallout 3 vs Halo 3 vs Left 4 Dead vs Mass Effect

Fallout 3 - 38566 [37.61%]
Halo 3 - 27663 [26.98%]
Left 4 Dead - 20958 [20.44%]
Mass Effect - 15353 [14.97%]
Total Votes - 102540

Not only was Fallout 3 > Halo 3 the consensus, but it was a near-lock by the time the match actually came up, and it gave us one of the most boring matches of all time. Which isn't all bad. Nice to see the first round end on a boring note and give people more time for first round overviews, since the stats topic guys make some awesome first round overviews. I wish I could be bothered talking about this match, but I can't. The results were locked within 2 seconds and stayed in a perfect staircase shape for a full 24 hours.

So why not?

Stars of the Round:

Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow - Weak Zelda or not, blowing a Zelda that badly is always impressive.

Mario 3 - We may never see 75% broken in a fourway again.

Final Fantasy 8 - duh.

Turd:

Street Fighter 4

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KamikazePotato | Posted 6/20/2009 11:13:28 PM | message detail

Aw yeah another Portal convert

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/20/2009 11:26:09 PM | message detail

"Convert" implies I disliked the game before I liked it.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/20/2009 11:56:24 PM | message detail

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paraboxx | Posted 6/21/2009 12:31:03 AM | message detail

I completely missed this contest. So any summaries, this one included, are very much appreciated. Thank you.

I suppose this also counts as a tag, but since I've already got this topic bookmarked it's not like I'll be needing it...

UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/21/2009 12:36:13 AM | message detail

What other summaries were even posted?
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Calintares | Posted 6/21/2009 12:45:05 AM | message detail

I did one, but that one dealt only with detailing the geolocational trends for every match. And was in no way complete.

it is gone now though. only the raw results are left.
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MegaWentEvil | Posted 6/21/2009 12:54:45 AM | message detail

Are the other analysises archived somewhere?
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Me_Pie_Three | Posted 6/21/2009 7:46:01 AM | message detail

More awesome was the whining and cheating accusations following this. Some fake stats professor from Cornell (what a stupid internet gimmick) actually tried telling the board that this result was statistically impossible given the prediction percentages; they were too low for ToS, indicating cheating had to be involved in the final ToS push that won it second place over God of War.

Yes, because everyone with a bracket entered votes based on bracket and prediction percentages, and only people with a bracket ever get to vote on the main page. Good job, fake stats guy. Way to make a perfect match even better by acting like a whiny little ***** and giving us all something to laugh at for days afterward.

is this saved somewhere? like, the board 8 wiki?
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XxSoulxX | Posted 6/21/2009 4:22:07 PM | message detail

God, what a ****ing amazing game Portal was. Words don't do it justice, and I really mean that.

Alright, rock on <3!

You should try Half-Life 2 now if you haven't. It's not as quirky or funny as Portal, but it is damn epic and will make you a grovelling fanboy like so many of us these days.

But yeah, loved the Portal comments. Glad to see another Portal fan on this board!
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/21/2009 8:24:18 PM | message detail

@Ultimaterializer: Okay, I'll quit it with the rankings.

BTW I own Portal because my younger brother wanted it. Maybe I should get to playing it sometime? Though only after clearing some old RTS titles, I guess.

DrIglooBob | Posted 6/21/2009 10:28:30 PM | message detail

One thing I like is how GameFAQs is finally starting to adopt these more western-oriented games. Amazing that you can see Oblivion, Call of Duty 4, and Fallout 3 stay competitive against all the Nintendo and Square games out there. Glad to see GameFAQs is finally diversifying its taste from platformers and jRPGs.

This has more to do with the fact that the 360 is probably winning the console war than anything else, I think. If Japanese developers consider the Wii gimmicky (and many due based on interviews and what not), they're pretty much stuck on the PS3. If the PS3 started off at $300 and maintained backwards compatibility, the change of taste would be non-existent.

DrIglooBob | Posted 6/21/2009 10:31:13 PM | message detail

*many do

UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/21/2009 11:04:31 PM | message detail

From: LinkMarioSamus | Posted: 6/21/2009 10:24:18 PM | #340
@Ultimaterializer: Okay, I'll quit it with the rankings.

BTW I own Portal because my younger brother wanted it. Maybe I should get to playing it sometime? Though only after clearing some old RTS titles, I guess.

Sorry if I sounded mean there, but it getting to be borderline spam.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/21/2009 11:15:31 PM | message detail

1972-1988 Round 2: Tetris vs Donkey Kong vs Mega Man 2 vs Pac-Man

Tetris - 40188 [39.49%]
Donkey Kong - 12639 [12.42%]
Mega Man 2 - 32579 [32.01%]
Pac-Man - 16359 [16.08%]
Total Votes - 101765

I refuse to call a round 2 "divisional semifinal" anymore, regardless of whether it actually is. It's round 2.

Anyway, this was one of those rare matches where both sides of an argument got to be correct. Tetris people pretty much figured Mega Man 2 would get killed, especially after the first round. Mega Man fans insisted it still had a good chance to win. In the end, we kind of got the best of both worlds. Tetris did not SFF Mega Man 2 here, but it won quite handily and was never threatened past the first few minutes. It wasn't a complete killing as some predicted, but it was a handy win nonetheless. Still, Mega Man 2 looked decent here given the first round made it look like he would just get crushed.

It's impossible to really say what if any role SFF played in this match, but it didn't matter too much. There was a decent battle for third place for a bit, but Pac-Man pulled through in a clear case of... SFFing a puzzle game in the face of Puzzle SFF? I dunno. This was our second straight legendarily boring match, so there's not much I can say here. Expected result, less than expected percentages. Simple and to the point, much like what this match was after Mega Man kept it even for a couple minutes.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/21/2009 11:32:47 PM | message detail

1972-1988 Round 2: Super Mario Brothers vs Ninja Gaiden vs The Legend of Zelda vs Metroid

Super Mario Brothers - 52590 [46.19%]
Ninja Gaiden - 7114 [6.25%]
The Legend of Zelda - 43517 [38.22%]
Metroid - 10643 [9.35%]
Total Votes - 113864

I can understand one or two games sneaking into the second round only to get SFFd to hell, but two in the exact same match? This was just... bad. Expected given what Mario did to Duck Hunt, but still bad. Have some pride. Not that Metroid will ever figure it out against Nintendo -- and Ninja Gaiden won't ever figure it out period, it got very lucky in the first round -- but still. Pride.

The match to see here was Mario 1 vs Zelda 1, but as you can see by this final result, it wasn't much of a match. This was all pre-debate match hype, but for once it was legitimate. Zelda 1 scored 43% on Mario 3 in 2004. It's not too unreasonable to ask Zelda to make up a 7% gap on Mario 3's weaker older brother, especially given the lack of any real evidence.

We had two polls and guesswork to go on. Anyone who said they were 100% confident one way or the other was just doing the standard annoying pre-contest know-it-all Board 8 thing, because a good case could be made either way. Zelda is generally the SFF king, but Mario 1 is much more respected among gamers than the original Zelda.

As for the two polls:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1225
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1181

Favorite Zelda and Favorite Mario. Zelda 1 got 7.63%, Mario 1 got 6.56%. Both bad performances, but Mario's bad score came in the face of a fellow NES title, Mario 3. Zelda 1 had no other NES games to compete with. This was my reason for picking Mario 1 > Zelda 1 here, and it was as good a reason as any other given how close this was pre-match.

The match itself was over within seconds and Mario 1 dominated (relatively) based upon expectations for a close match. However, this match helped set up one of the weirdest runs we've ever seen in a contest. Zelda 1 might have lost pretty easily here, but it would have its day later on.

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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/22/2009 12:06:54 AM | message detail

I assume that you're referring to Zelda 1's contest run?

Yeah, it was nice to see the right game win there. BTW I just downloaded SMB1 on the VC and I like it a lot; definetely worthy of its praise.

paraboxx | Posted 6/22/2009 12:43:04 AM | message detail

And...finished.

Thanks again for an awesome rundown so far, Ulti. I was looking for interesting anecdotes as much as analysis, and I got plenty of both here. (Damn but I would've loved to be here for that "professor".) It was a great read, and for the most part you did a great job.

There was just one thing I couldn't help but mention:

Ulti, 6/12/2009 2:14:24 AM:
The quicker we pretend old polls don't exist for potential future game contests, the better.

Ulti, 6/12/2009 11:47:19 PM:
Look at this poll: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2739

Isn't this something like that old Sesame Street song? You know...One Of These Things Is Not Like The Others...?

Ulti, 6/21/2009 1:36:13 AM
What other summaries were even posted?

Well, come to think of it, most of what I remember from the last two contests was actually in the stats topics. Stuff like division wrapups, the round overviews you mentioned earlier...that sort of thing. So that's probably where it wound up this time too. IIRC there's an archive for the stats topics somewhere, and I'll probably look into those too soon enough.

LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/22/2009 4:23:56 AM | message detail

I went back and read some old posts and...does anybody here agree that Total Annihilation should've replaced Lufia II? The name "Total Annihilation" sounds like something with loads of potential for a joke performance and most definetely has more appeal than something so obscure like "Lufia II", so...yeah. Command and Conquer also wouldn't have been such a bad choice.

And maybe we should've replaced Banjo-Kazooie with Planescape: Torment. Hey, WRPGs have looked much better this contest than 3d platformers, not to mention it would have allowed something non-Nintendoey to see how well it could do, so...then again, PT is a very obscure title, and given how even the blockbuster PC classics bombed this contest, PT probably would've looked even worse than Deus Ex.

Planescape: Torment > Perfect Dark though, so...not much else.

Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 6/22/2009 5:28:02 AM | message detail

But I don't get it.Aren't the games entered in a bracket the ones that have the most nominations anyway?Why we have changes?
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Some_Character | Posted 6/22/2009 7:16:05 AM | message detail

People figured that SF4's release was too recent to get enough noms right away. Turns out that people just don't care about it as much as they do about SF2.
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L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 6/22/2009 7:17:18 AM | message detail

Sadly, no one here cares about wRPGs made before this generation besides Diablo II and KotOR, and those have Blizzard and the Star Wars name respectively. The Fallouts may do marginally better now that Fallout 3 has proven it has actual strength, but even then I wouldn't have faith in them to win a match unless stuck in a situation like SMB1 vs fodder. PT would probably garner 7-8%, but that would be it.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 6/22/2009 8:54:58 AM | message detail

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MegaWentEvil | Posted 6/22/2009 9:23:54 AM | message detail

Ulti, are the other analysises archived somewhere?
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/22/2009 7:47:52 PM | message detail

From: paraboxx | Posted: 6/22/2009 2:43:04 AM | #347
And...finished.

Thanks again for an awesome rundown so far, Ulti. I was looking for interesting anecdotes as much as analysis, and I got plenty of both here. (Damn but I would've loved to be here for that "professor".) It was a great read, and for the most part you did a great job.

There was just one thing I couldn't help but mention:

Ulti, 6/12/2009 2:14:24 AM:
The quicker we pretend old polls don't exist for potential future game contests, the better.

Ulti, 6/12/2009 11:47:19 PM:
Look at this poll: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2739

Isn't this something like that old Sesame Street song? You know...One Of These Things Is Not Like The Others...?

Ulti, 6/21/2009 1:36:13 AM
What other summaries were even posted?

Well, come to think of it, most of what I remember from the last two contests was actually in the stats topics. Stuff like division wrapups, the round overviews you mentioned earlier...that sort of thing. So that's probably where it wound up this time too. IIRC there's an archive for the stats topics somewhere, and I'll probably look into those too soon enough.

There's a difference between comparing two ~6% performances and SAN ANDREAS AND HALO WILL DOMINATE, I would think.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/22/2009 8:03:02 PM | message detail

1989-1991 Round 2: Sonic the Hedgehog vs Street Fighter 2 vs Super Mario Brothers 3 vs The Secret of Monkey Island

Sonic the Hedgehog - 25548 [22.59%]
Street Fighter 2 - 23351 [20.64%]
Super Mario Brothers 3 - 55062 [48.68%]
The Secret of Monkey Island - 9153 [8.09%]
Total Votes - 113114

Haha 113114.

Anyway, after SF2 disappointed in the first round, a lot of people held hope that Mario 3 would SFF Sonic 1 enough to sneak SF2 into second place. It wasn't too far-fetched, especially given Sonic 1 and Street Fighter 2 wasn't decided by some impossible gap in round 1. It was 10,000 votes, which can be made up by extreme SFF.

Ironically, we saw Mario 3 SFF Sonic 1, but not by enough to sneak SF2 into second place. I've lost count of how many "SFFd but still won" matches we ended up getting in this contest, but the number has to be at least 5 or 10. Mario 3 without question SFFd Sonic 1 in this match, and can we please stop with theories about how Sonic and Mario don't have extreme overlap? They clearly do. It explains this match, the Mario World > Sonic 2 beating and the weird Mario/Shadow match all in one package. They overlap. A lot. Period. I'd love for this to translate into a Mario vs Sonic match in a character contest; it's long overdue.

But even with Sonic getting SFFd, Street Fighter could no take full advantage. The match was even for a couple hours, then Street Fighter 2 built up a 200 vote lead overnight. And like clockwork, the Sonic day vote kicked in, allowing Sonic to turn an even match into a fairly easy 2200 vote victory. A match like this might have been exciting a few years ago, but not now with all the past trends we know about. It makes you miss the pre-stat days, in a way. Now? We can take past matches and call the trends down to every minute detail, and some people in the stats topic can tell you when something will happen and by how many votes with stunning accuracy. It's sad in a way, but it also can't be helped.

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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/22/2009 8:18:03 PM | message detail

I also think Street Fighter II ended up being Old-School SFFd by Mario 3. Not a far-fetched idea, mind you.

Also, even though I voted for SFII in round 1, I would now vote for Sonic over SFII. Changed my mind.

And if I hadn't known that Mario and Sonic now overlap, I would've said "An NES Mario game SFFing a Genesis Sonic game? Absolute nonsense!"

It still really doesn't make sense. And I'm okay with Sonic 1 beating any Mario game, BTW (or even any Zelda or Final Fantasy game).

XxSoulxX | Posted 6/22/2009 8:21:51 PM | message detail

I also think Street Fighter II ended up being Old-School SFFd by Mario 3. Not a far-fetched idea, mind you.

Just about every old-school game got SFFed by SMB3, SMB, and LoZ, but for a lot of those games, the amount of votes that was taken away wasn't enough to really consider it being overlap.
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Canth | Posted 6/22/2009 8:23:08 PM | message detail

It's sad in a way, but it also can't be helped.

It's also pretty amazing to be honest.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/22/2009 8:27:13 PM | message detail

I'm sticking with the fact that Mario 3 SFFd both games. SFII being quasi-Nintendo isn't too far-fetched, either.

UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/22/2009 8:33:23 PM | message detail

From: LinkMarioSamus | Posted: 6/22/2009 10:27:13 PM | #359
I'm sticking with the fact that Mario 3 SFFd both games. SFII being quasi-Nintendo isn't too far-fetched, either.

I dunno, man. SF2 spans every system from that era.
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1989-1991 Round 2: Super Mario World vs Final Fantasy vs Final Fantasy 4 vs Mega Man 3

Super Mario World - 59352 [54.13%]
Final Fantasy - 14035 [12.8%]
Final Fantasy 4 - 26209 [23.91%]
Mega Man 3 - 10042 [9.16%]
Total Votes - 109638

I'd like to take this opportunity to apologize for all those FF1 > FF4 debates I started leading up to this match. I really did think there was a possibility of this upset given the first round, but I was clearly wrong. The original Final Fantasy got crushed decisively here, regardless of whatever SFF and LFF from Mega Man 3 was going on. My apologies on that front, but you're insane if you ever thought one of the Final Fantasies was going to sneak through both Mario games -- especially after this match. Mario World might have sucked it up in round 1, but it was clearly in A-Game Mode from here on out, and Mario 3 was equally dominant. For Final Fantasy 4 to get through to Round 4, you would have to give ALL of Final Fantasy and Mega Man 3's votes to it and hope for a big split. And even then, good luck.

In reality, I think this match proved there's plenty of overlap between Mario World and FF4, signaling FF4's death in the following round. And how couldn't you? Mario World let Final Fantasy get 45% on it, then it goes out and nearly gets 70% on FF4. That's not a coincidence, especially when it's fair given this match to assume FF4 is a stronger game than FF1.

Oh, and a note about Mega Man 3. Did it not royally suck here or what? Mega Man 2 performed passably on Tetris this round and Mega Man X did pretty well given its first round exit, but I think we can safely assume the series as a whole bombed in this contest. Then you look at Mario Kart doing well before realizing the Mega Man > Mario Kart result in the series contest. Madness, I tell you. You'd think the series contest results would translate into this contest a bit more accurately than they did.

tl;dr version: Mario World is a beast, the Mega Man series bombed, I'm an idiot for arguing FF1 > FF4, you're an idiot for arguing FF4 > Mario 3 or Mario World regardless of split, and at the end of the day only KrahenProphet can claim to not be an idiot. It's why these contests rock; we can debate stuff for weeks, but only one person is going to look smart after the final match :D

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igordebraga | Posted 6/22/2009 8:47:19 PM | message detail

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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/23/2009 12:35:39 AM | message detail

I have to think that Mega Man SFFd Mario Kart in the series contest.

But hey, Super Mario World was coming off of being named the Best Game Ever by Empire Magazine, so it's fitting that it did so bafflingly well here (not a bad candidate for the title either, to be honest).

And Ulti, if there's one thing not to forget in your analysis for the next match, it's that Mario Kart turned out to be just as SFF-prone as Metroid, if not worse. Mario Kart is casual bait, plain and simple.

The funny thing is that if I was predicting FF7's first round match I would've thought that it would break 60% without a sweat, and maybe even 65%. Mario Kart 64 and Star Fox 64 are good, but they haven't aged well.

UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/23/2009 12:36:29 AM | message detail

And Ulti, if there's one thing not to forget in your analysis for the next match, it's that Mario Kart turned out to be just as SFF-prone as Metroid, if not worse. Mario Kart is casual bait, plain and simple.

How about I decide what to write about in my own writing, kthx
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/23/2009 12:40:57 AM | message detail

Sure, go ahead. Mario Kart's 2nd round bomb is quite big though.

And while it's a broken record at this point, I just feel like uttering it out.

According to Official Nintendo Magazine, Mario Kart 64 >> Super Mario RPG >> GoldenEye, which is funny considering who SFFd who.

-LusterSoldier- | Posted 6/23/2009 1:12:21 AM | message detail

How about I decide what to write about in my own writing, kthx

I don't think he was demanding you to include that in your write-up, but simply making a suggestion. If I was doing these write-ups, I would be open to these suggestions but whether or not I include them in my write-ups would be totally up to me and if I liked the suggestion myself.

More awesome was the whining and cheating accusations following this. Some fake stats professor from Cornell (what a stupid internet gimmick) actually tried telling the board that this result was statistically impossible given the prediction percentages; they were too low for ToS, indicating cheating had to be involved in the final ToS push that won it second place over God of War.

I ran pbadmin (Private Board invite/boot page) on "Cornell" and I was unable to invite the guy. So either the username doesn't exist on GameFAQs or it's under level 20. What's the exact username of this guy?
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/23/2009 1:16:57 AM | message detail

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DrIglooBob | Posted 6/23/2009 2:08:18 AM | message detail

Dear Ulti,

Please spend your entire next post talking about how ****ing great FFTactics is.

Love,
Igloo Bob

greatone10 | Posted 6/23/2009 2:09:54 AM | message detail

I think Mega Man is just one of those entities that just performs better in one on one environments. Notice that stock in Mega Man was still fairly high until the debut of four ways, and then Mega Man went from mid tier Noble Nine to losing to the Weighted Companion Cube.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/23/2009 3:16:57 AM | message detail
silentbobus

Ah, I don't remember that guy, even though I watched over the stats topics pretty closely during the contest season.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/23/2009 4:02:57 AM | message detail

FFT is great.
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DrIglooBob | Posted 6/23/2009 4:11:41 AM | message detail

see he is obviously quite open to suggestions

L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 6/23/2009 7:28:39 AM | message detail

Ulti please provide some pornography in your next analysis plz thx.

And it looks like I made a good call putting my faith in Mario, having SMB3 > World > FF4 and then FF7 > SM64 > CT. Now if only Zelda 1 were stronger and SMB3 didn't turn out to be the weaker between it and World.

I also just now noticed I got all of Round 3 perfect except for having OoT > Starcraft. No wonder I made the leaderboard.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/23/2009 9:10:43 AM | message detail

Before the contest I would've taken these games to beat Super Mario Galaxy:

Super Mario Bros.
Super Mario Bros. 3
Super Mario World
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
Final Fantasy VI
Chrono Trigger
Super Mario 64
GoldenEye 007
Final Fantasy VII
Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
StarCraft
Metal Gear Solid
Final Fantasy VIII
Diablo II: Lord of Destruction
Final Fantasy X
Super Smash Bros. Melee
Kingdom Hearts
Halo: Combat Evolved
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
Resident Evil 4
Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots

Ironically, SMG would probably beat some of these games.

L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 6/23/2009 10:38:49 AM | message detail

I would've taken these games to beat Adventure:

All of them.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/23/2009 11:06:24 PM | message detail

Don't really feel like writing tonight, sorry.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/24/2009 11:49:12 AM | message detail

1992-1994 Round 2: Super Metroid vs Super Mario Kart vs Zelda: A Link to the Past vs Donkey Kong Country

Super Metroid - 21000 [18.89%]
Super Mario Kart - 20944 [18.83%]
Zelda: A Link to the Past - 56147 [50.49%]
Donkey Kong Country - 13107 [11.79%]
Total Votes - 111198

This match ended up having a really close fight for second place, but with two major issues. One, Sonic 3 and Doom choking in the first round turned this match into a big SNES cluster**** and it really took away from how close this was. Two, we already saw this same match like 3 weeks prior and it was clear within minutes we were getting a replay, but with fewer vote totals for Mario Kart and Metroid to work with.

But before getting into that, it's worth noting how impressive Link to the Past was here. Even though it was clearly SFFing all three games in the poll, there were still 3 SNES games here to drag it down a bit. It still broke over 50%. This solidified it as the odds-on favorite to make the final from the top half of the bracket along with FF7, especially given we were on track to have 2 Mario games in the quarterfinals along with LTTP and FF7.

As for Metroid and Mario Kart, they went out and nearly perfectly repeated every trend from their first round match. So even though the loser of the round 2 rematch was to be eliminated from the contest, this never had the tension that makes close matches so fun. One could even argue this was one of the worst close matches we've ever had.

Tell me if any of this sounds familiar: Super Metroid builds up a 550 vote lead for half the night; Mario Kart begins chipping away at 3 a.m. and isn't slowed down until halfway through the DSV when the lead is 130; Metroid somehow wins the second half of the DSV and gets its lead back to 300; Mario Kart wins the early parts of the ASV, but gets inexplicably stalled a bunch and isn't able to tie the match until 7 p.m.; Metroid wins the evening vote and gets its lead back up to 100; Mario Kart makes a last stand, but Metroid wins the second night vote to escape with the match.

Even during the parts of Mario Kart's comeback where it looked like this round would be different, there was always the looming feeling that Super Metroid would win it with the second night vote if things were close. Well things were close, and Metroid won to the surprise of no one. This would have been a great first round 1v1 match, but it was uninspired in this format.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/24/2009 12:01:28 PM | message detail

1992-1994 Round 2: Final Fantasy 6 vs Zelda: Link's Awakening vs Sonic the Hedgehog 2 vs Mortal Kombat 2

Final Fantasy 6 - 42009 [37.32%]
Zelda: Link's Awakening - 35056 [31.14%]
Sonic the Hedgehog 2 - 21587 [19.18%]
Mortal Kombat 2 - 13923 [12.37%]
Total Votes - 112575

For the second time in a week, we had the poll result do a near-perfect staircase; ie, the match is barely worth commenting on. But unlike the Fallout 3 > Halo 3 match, this had an unbelievably fun first five minutes.

Because for five minutes, Link's Awakening scared the bejeezus out of Final Fantasy 6 and kept the match even. FF6 obviously went on to win in staircase fashion, but a ton of damage was done in that five minutes. Remember when FF6 led LTTP for a few hours in 2004, and it was more or less the beginning of the end for LTTP? Same deal here, but backwards. Any and all FF6 > LTTP pipe dreams died in those five minutes, regardless of any splitting LTTP would deal with. If you let Link's Awakening threaten you for even five minutes, your odds of beating Link to the Past in the divisional final are flat-out zero. Nothing. Especially when you've looked like crap for two rounds going in. I don't know when or why FF6 inherited FF7's voting trends, but they don't work the same. FF7 is a demigod in game contests, it's allowed to suck early. 6 is not.

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FinalFantasyTactics | Posted 6/25/2009 2:09:57 PM | message detail

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1995-1997 Round 2: Goldeneye vs Super Mario RPG vs Final Fantasy 7 vs Mario Kart 64

Goldeneye - 27626 [23.33%]
Super Mario RPG - 20169 [17.03%]
Final Fantasy 7 - 56012 [47.3%]
Mario Kart 64 - 14622 [12.35%]
Total Votes - 118429

This was a fairly expected result, especially with SMRPG getting into this match over Resident Evil 2. SMRPG and Mario Kart 64 may have had minimal overlap, but both games have "Mario" in the title. Even a little bit of overlap could have made a difference, but this was likely the same minimal overlap as with Mario Kart 64 and Goldeneye. Both were N64 titles. In the end, Goldeneye > SMRPG > Mario Kart 64 is likely the intrinsic strength of the three games playing out like it was supposed to. One could argue Goldeneye disappointed here, but of course Goldeneye was going to get killed in the face of FF7. FF7 overlaps with everything on this site.

Speaking of which, the FF7/OOT comparison was the only story to be had here. Some will argue OOT had a better second round performance, but I once again disagree. OOT did 2% better against weaker competition, and allowed said weaker competition to score similar results.

Just compare each game. Goldeneye vs Final Fantasy 8 is a tossup at worst, but Goldeneye probably wins that match. Super Mario RPG would crush Starcraft pretty easily at this point, and we've already covered Mario Kart 64 versus Final Fantasy 9. I don't see how FF9 getting 20% on Ocarina in an SFF match is any better or worse than Mario Kart 64 getting 20% on FF7 in what may or may not have also been an SFF match. Frankly I think it's an easy match in Kart 64's favor and those arguing otherwise are blind FF9 fans, but it's not like we'll ever see a 1v1 match to settle this.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/25/2009 8:09:12 PM | message detail

Frankly I think it's an easy match in Kart 64's favor and those arguing otherwise are blind FF9 fans

Ha.
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 6/25/2009 8:12:16 PM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #382
Frankly I think it's an easy match in Kart 64's favor and those arguing otherwise are blind FF9 fans

Wait, those exist? :O

Ngamer64 | Posted 6/25/2009 8:32:48 PM | message detail

Answer time!

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Are Ulti's past PCAs available anywhere?

Yes, all of his past writeups can be found on the match pages on the B8 Wiki.

http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Contest_Matches

Except for the 2007 and 2008 Contests, where he wasn't interested enough in the format to do full PCAs and so tranny filled in for him.

Are past Stats topics available anywhere?

Yes, TRE keeps a complete archive out on my website.

http://thengamer.com/stats/

Come to think of it, are there any other match writeups available?

Yes, Molar keeps a complete archive of all Analysis Crew writeups dating back to '04 on my website.

http://thecrew.speedrunwiki.com/

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/25/2009 8:37:07 PM | message detail

Except for the 2007 and 2008 Contests, where he wasn't interested enough in the format to do full PCAs and so tranny filled in for him.

And thank god for tranny and Ed Bellis and Karma Hunter. I'm so happy those guys stepped in and did PCAs for those contests, because I simply didn't care enough to give the writeups proper respect. forever kudos to all of them.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 6/25/2009 8:39:07 PM | message detail

Frankly I think it's an easy match in Kart 64's favor and those arguing otherwise are blind FF9 fans

When you ignore results, sure.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/25/2009 8:52:05 PM | message detail

Why do I never see you on AIM anymore?
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KamikazePotato | Posted 6/25/2009 8:52:55 PM | message detail

Dude, vacation with limited computer access. I told you this a week ago.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/25/2009 9:01:42 PM | message detail

1995-1997 Round 2: Super Mario 64 vs Castlevania: Symphony of the Night vs Chrono Trigger vs Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island

Super Mario 64 - 46106 [40.42%]
Castlevania: Symphony of the Night - 16734 [14.67%]
Chrono Trigger - 42881 [37.59%]
Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island - 8359 [7.33%]
Total Votes - 114080

"It's been too long.... brother." -Ocelot

Contests just aren't the same without a solid Mario v Crono match or two.

This was a beautiful, beautiful match. I love Chrono Trigger, but I love Mario 64 a tad bit more. Seeing Symphony of the Night become a bottom-feeder sucked, and it equally sucked seeing Yoshi's Island get SFFd to a 7% last place finish. But for once, a 7% last place finish was relevant. More on that in a second.

Pre-contest, I swore up and down that this would be a tossup, and picked Chrono Trigger > Mario 64 solely because of Chrono Trigger's 2004 performance. Not only did it defeat Mario 3, but a 60-40 win over Mario World is no joke. I've always figured Mario 64 was around Mario world's level (best guess I can make given the OOT > Mario 64 SFF result), and that even a slightly weaker Chrono Trigger could beat Mario 64 heads-up especially given the recent DS Chrono Trigger release.

Early on, it was clear Chrono Trigger was in trouble. Mario 64 kept the poll even for a solid 30 minutes before the CT night vote kicked in, and even then it took until 2 hours in for Chrono Trigger to get any momentum going. Once the night vote kicked in, Chrono Trigger built up a lead, but Mario 64 was still managing to score some prolonged stalls. CT managed to build up a lead of 650, but it felt like one of those really frail, "This could blow up in my face at any time" leads. And it was. The morning vote hit, and Mario 64 began dominating the poll. The lead was gone by 9:30, and then Mario started ballin' all over Crono's face. By the time this match ended, it was a close-match-turned-3200-vote-blowout. Crono's performance come the morning vote was embarrassing, but not at all unsurprising.

I love CT and all, but this has become a very debilitating problem. Blowing big leads is supposed to be very rare in contests, but all things Chrono Trigger are turning it into a routine. 4000 vote swings are not supposed to be common, but CT is making us expect it. That's legitimately insane, and this result was one of those rare results that altered an entire contest midstream. Remember, CT > Mario 64 was the expected result, and we were supposed to see a hotly contested LTTP vs FF7/FF6/CT match with a possible LTTP > FF7 upset, and the following FF7/CT/Mario 1/Mario 3 match was supposed to be an aesthetic Mario vs Crono clash. And beyond this, remember all the pre-contest chatter about a potential CT/LTTP rematch getting ruined by the format? Of course you do.

At this rate, there would be no CT/LTTP match at all. For round 3 to have a CT > Mario 64 result, CT would need a perfect storm of Goldeneye leeching the hell out of Mario 64 while Final Fantasy 7 barely affected CT at all. It was possible, but CT's years-long track record of choking paired with Mario's dominance this contest put the odds around 3% or so. It was bad.

As for Yoshi's Island legitimately affecting this poll, one could claim an SNES relationship with Chrono Trigger and a Mario relationship with Mario 64. Rarely do you see a last place game do so badly, yet be so widely debated. If you weren't in the stats topic for the CT/Mario 64 round 3 debates, you missed everything that makes the stats topic the place to be in a contest. We have a legitimate reputation for being elitist and closed-minded, but we're still the best topic during contest season anyway.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/25/2009 9:02:45 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | Posted: 6/25/2009 10:52:55 PM | #388
Dude, vacation with limited computer access. I told you this a week ago.

Ah, didn't realize the Florida thing already began. I say you should stay off the computer for 100% of your time there, just enjoy yourself. Good luck and have fun, bud!
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KamikazePotato | Posted 6/25/2009 9:03:23 PM | message detail

Thanks!

And vacation to me means relaxing and having fun in any way I see fit. Computer and internet is part of that.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/25/2009 9:52:11 PM | message detail

I would have felt like such an idiot had I gone on the internet while on my honeymoon, but that might just be me.
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paraboxx | Posted 6/25/2009 11:31:55 PM | message detail

Ngamer64, 6/25/2009 9:32:48 PM
Yes, Molar keeps a complete archive of all Analysis Crew writeups dating back to '04 on my website.
http://thecrew.speedrunwiki.com/

Now this one I didn't know about. Many thanks Ngamer!

UltimaterializerX, 6/25/2009 10:01:42 PM
We have a legitimate reputation for being elitist and closed-minded, but we're still the best topic during contest season anyway.

What, are you kidding? That's one of the reasons it's the best topic on the board during the contest (or at any time, in my eyes). You're all just so damn fun to poke at. :)

Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 6/26/2009 4:56:27 AM | message detail

Yay for voting all the Mario games because hey it's Mario!
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edwardsdv | Posted 6/26/2009 5:50:59 AM | message detail

Mario is a mid-card monster who will never ever win.

Chrono is a mid-card monster, who will never ever win and is a full-time choke artist.

The NN doesn't exist anymore but its always entertaining when these two run into each other because Mario's supposed to be stronger than Chrono given the Chrono is one of the " weak links" of the Noble Nine and Mario's solid.

Given how close these always end up, I'd argue that mario is the weakest of the strong NNers,(Clinkeroth, Mario,Snake) and Chrono is the strongest of the weak ones( Mega, Sonic, Chrono,Samus)

Still, it's interesting to me that Chrono has held this kind of popularity despite that his game is like 13 or 14 years old now.

Then again, the BARELY younger FF7 is still a beast on these board, but then again he's beginning to slip to if the last character battle is any indication(Where Snake beat Cloud for no real reason other than that MAYBE Chrono Sff'd him..

And FF7 never even competed with OoT, even in their 1v1 rematch.
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Kotetsu534 | Posted 6/26/2009 6:28:11 AM | message detail

That's the most interesting thing to me about these contests: games from over ten years ago are the main contenders, with a few dotted exceptions. I'd love to see another one next year, without the stupid generational split, so that it can be seen just how well newer games have been received as compared to more average older gems.

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L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 6/26/2009 7:35:10 AM | message detail

From: edwardsdv | #396
Mario is a mid-card monster who will never ever win.

Chrono is a mid-card monster, who will never ever win and is a full-time choke artist.

The NN doesn't exist anymore but its always entertaining when these two run into each other because Mario's supposed to be stronger than Chrono given the Chrono is one of the " weak links" of the Noble Nine and Mario's solid.

Given how close these always end up, I'd argue that mario is the weakest of the strong NNers,(Clinkeroth, Mario,Snake) and Chrono is the strongest of the weak ones( Mega, Sonic, Chrono,Samus)

Still, it's interesting to me that Chrono has held this kind of popularity despite that his game is like 13 or 14 years old now.

Then again, the BARELY younger FF7 is still a beast on these board, but then again he's beginning to slip to if the last character battle is any indication(Where Snake beat Cloud for no real reason other than that MAYBE Chrono Sff'd him..

And FF7 never even competed with OoT, even in their 1v1 rematch.

Mario vs Crono was interesting in the beginning when they were close, especially in 2004 when CT took out three Mario games and Crono finally beat Mario. But then 2005 came, and Mario performed better on Crono than Crono did on Mario the previous year (and won the actual contest, though he was maimed in the ToC), and from there it's been downhill for Crono, though he had a lot of luck to make the finals in 2008 between L-Block apathy, a very close win against Vincent, and having Link destroy the two other biggest characters, including Mario.

Even with the remake, GameFAQs has generally moved away from Square and more toward Nintendo since 2005. Plus, Mario is still relevant today (hell, the plumber had three big games announced at E3) while the CTDS boost didn't exactly bring new life to Crono or CT. CT's still a strong game, and Crono should still be strong for awhile, but I'm skeptical even a remake for one of the big three consoles could bring Crono back to the point where he could hang with Mario. It'd probably take a huge demographic shift to accomplish that, and even then I don't have any faith in Crono anymore.
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paulg235 | Posted 6/26/2009 8:16:54 AM | message detail

Chrono is the strongest of the weak ones( Mega, Sonic, Chrono,Samus)

This is so wrong. I would never have Samus to be defeated by Vincent, Auron or a dumb pink ball in a direct match or even in a four-ways unless heavy SFF/LFF was involved, and Samus would 55-45 Crono, let alone 60-40 Sonic and Mega Man.

Heck, in a direct match, I would have Samus > Snake. Samus is definitely in the Mario/Snake group.
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L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 6/26/2009 12:41:55 PM | message detail

Samus did beat Snake in 2006, just when Snake went from laughing-stock of the Noble Nine to serious contender. I probably wouldn't pick Samus to beat Snake now, but Samus is still a clear step above the weaker group. I really think she's in an area of her own, since I don't think she could compete with Link/Cloud/Seph/Mario/Snake, but she wouldn't struggle against Crono/Sonic/Mega Man/Vincent/Squall/Auron/whoever either.
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 6/26/2009 12:45:34 PM | message detail

From: L33t_Rappa_Sam | #400
Samus did beat Snake in 2006, just when Snake went from laughing-stock of the Noble Nine to serious contender. I probably wouldn't pick Samus to beat Snake now, but Samus is still a clear step above the weaker group. I really think she's in an area of her own, since I don't think she could compete with Link/Cloud/Seph/Mario/Snake, but she wouldn't struggle against Crono/Sonic/Mega Man/Vincent/Squall/Auron/whoever either.

The Noble Nine can't really be tiered anymore. We don't have any idea about where Snake stands compared to Mario (who can squash any other non-Clinkeroth NNer by this point except maybe Snake), we don't know where Samus is, we can't tell if Sonic is truly that weak now or he just sucks in the 4way format, etc. At this point, about the only thing we know for sure is that Clinkeroth is still on top and Mega Man and Sonic are still the weakest members of the NN.

XxSoulxX | Posted 6/26/2009 1:52:03 PM | message detail

Clinkeroth is still on top and Mega Man and Sonic are still the weakest members of the NN.

Sonic beat Crono in the most recent one on one contest. Can't really say he would lose to him nowadays easily since CTDS looks to have done nothing significant.
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Big Bob | Posted 6/26/2009 1:54:07 PM | message detail

Hell, I'm pretty sure most people would pick Samus or Snake to beat Sephiroth at this point.
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 6/26/2009 1:54:27 PM | message detail

From: XxSoulxX | #402
Clinkeroth is still on top and Mega Man and Sonic are still the weakest members of the NN.

Sonic beat Crono in the most recent one on one contest. Can't really say he would lose to him nowadays easily since CTDS looks to have done nothing significant.

Yeah, but Crono had put himself within striking distance of Sonic by then. Sonic wasn't a joke in 2006 either, but that was Crono's last respectable year.

KanzarisKelshen | Posted 6/26/2009 1:55:16 PM | message detail

From: Big Bob | #403
Hell, I'm pretty sure most people would pick Samus or Snake to beat Sephiroth at this point.

Nah, Sephiroth is WAY above them. If Mario can't defeat him, Snake and Samus can't either.

XxSoulxX | Posted 6/26/2009 1:59:33 PM | message detail

How high of a boost do you guys think MGS4 gave Snake? If you think that game gave him another huge fanbase, then you can say he can beat Mario/Samus.

He's so strong right now because of the Nintendo fanbase he gained from SSBB. He won't be getting those votes when facing off against Mario/Samus though, so it all depends on if you think MGS4 is big enough to put Snake over the edge. I don't.
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 6/26/2009 2:03:15 PM | message detail

From: XxSoulxX | #406
How high of a boost do you guys think MGS4 gave Snake? If you think that game gave him another huge fanbase, then you can say he can beat Mario/Samus.

He's so strong right now because of the Nintendo fanbase he gained from SSBB. He won't be getting those votes when facing off against Mario/Samus though, so it all depends on if you think MGS4 is big enough to put Snake over the edge. I don't.

That depends on how well Snake can resist SFF. I could see him defeating Samus (their last match was close, IiRC), but Mario will destroy his Ninty support.

LeonhartFour | Posted 6/26/2009 2:27:21 PM | message detail

I'm pretty sure most people would pick Samus or Snake to beat Sephiroth at this point.

No way. That's still a crazy pick.
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Denzokuken | Posted 6/26/2009 2:40:30 PM | message detail

Wha? Snake and Samus won't beat Sephiroth (1v1) for years, if ever. They won't even come close...if you can take anything about FFVII's standing in the contests from this BGE 2009, it's that FFVII is still, by a mile, the second strongest force on this site.

Even if you cite FFVII's below-par performance in 2008 CB, I still don't have a clue where this idea of Sephiroth being vulnerable has suddenly come from (is it even all just a joke?). Indirectly, he is still fairly close to Cloud and has been untouchable in every fourway match not involving Cloud or Link.

and lol at how this topic all of a sudden got derailed! Love reading the analyses Ulti, very entertaining reads.

Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 6/26/2009 3:01:25 PM | message detail

Snake mabe, thats a mabe.

Not Samus
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 6/26/2009 3:04:41 PM | message detail

From: Shoenin_Kakashi | #410
Snake mabe, thats a mabe.

Not Samus

Nah, 1v1? No way. Snake needed LFF AND jokelike trends to upend Cloud once he wasn't losing half of his votes to Sephiroth. Indirectly, Sephiroth is, at worst, in a 55-45 matchup against Cloud. Snake doesn't have a hope in hell against that.

L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 6/26/2009 3:44:49 PM | message detail

A Snake/Sephiroth match would be interesting to see, as would Snake/Mario. Or maybe even a Mario/Sephiroth rematch, though I still think Mario would get his ass handed to him there. I don't know, I could see a Mario > Snake > Sephiroth > Mario thing going on there.
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Master Moltar | Posted 6/26/2009 4:06:31 PM | message detail

From: Big Bob | #403
Hell, I'm pretty sure most people would pick Samus or Snake to beat Sephiroth at this point.

good call imho
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/26/2009 4:08:23 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #408
I'm pretty sure most people would pick Samus or Snake to beat Sephiroth at this point.

No way. That's still a crazy pick.

From: Master Moltar | #413
good call imho

Point proven.
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 6/26/2009 4:09:40 PM | message detail

From: L33t_Rappa_Sam | #412
A Snake/Sephiroth match would be interesting to see, as would Snake/Mario. Or maybe even a Mario/Sephiroth rematch, though I still think Mario would get his ass handed to him there. I don't know, I could see a Mario > Snake > Sephiroth > Mario thing going on there.

Remember that Snake is going to suffer what Crono has now from now on, though. As a character, he's basically finished besides something like Smash appearances. From now on, he'll keep on dropping unless he gets timely remakes.

KamikazePotato | Posted 6/26/2009 4:50:12 PM | message detail

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Ulti, you've done this before, right? What exactly do i do?

http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/contest/bge09_stats.html

And apparently the stats haven't been updated yet?

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/26/2009 11:00:08 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | Posted: 6/26/2009 6:50:12 PM | #416
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Ulti, you've done this before, right? What exactly do i do?

http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/contest/bge09_stats.html

And apparently the stats haven't been updated yet?

http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/feedback/index.php?group=4

If you know exactly which prize you've won, second option. If not, fill out the first feedback and ask what place you came in and how much money you won.
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L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 6/26/2009 11:01:09 PM | message detail

From: KanzarisKelshen | #415
Remember that Snake is going to suffer what Crono has now from now on, though. As a character, he's basically finished besides something like Smash appearances. From now on, he'll keep on dropping unless he gets timely remakes.

I don't think Snake's going to start crashing and burning now. Yeah, his big hype is gone, and his big profile games have become old news, but I still expect him to do some big damage for a couple more years. I certainly don't see him jobbing to mid-carders like Sonic.
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Meeks54 | Posted 6/26/2009 11:45:08 PM | message detail

From: L33t_Rappa_Sam | #418
I don't think Snake's going to start crashing and burning now. Yeah, his big hype is gone, and his big profile games have become old news, but I still expect him to do some big damage for a couple more years. I certainly don't see him jobbing to mid-carders like Sonic.

I'm not sure why, even at his max he ever hit, he was still not above either Mario or Samus. He maxed out at #6, and he is about to easily crash to 8th. While it is true, he will never be 9th again because Sonic has a stone cold lock on that till maybe the end of the time with his sucking lately, he will still soon be slaughtered by Megaman again. Snake is done, because Brawl is done.

inb4 the crazy B8 Snake suckers make moronic comments about how he would have beat Samus or Mario last year.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/27/2009 12:00:46 AM | message detail

MWC post

I have to ask why Mega Man is all of a sudden going to start slaughtering Snake again because he hasn't been relevant in years and probably won't ever be again (No, MM9 didn't make him relevant again).
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/27/2009 12:01:29 AM | message detail

And if Crono can hold on for as long as he did, Snake will be fine.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/27/2009 12:09:32 AM | message detail

Hello. BTW I'm in a cybercafe in the Himalayas right now.

As far as CT goes, I haven't played it yet but it looks like one of the most inspired games ever made, so I'd vote for it over anything aside from Ocarina of Time. But man, blowing it with the ASV? Next thing you know, CT loses to TP and Brawl, and I thought RE4 losing to both of those games was bad. Even MGS1/4 or KH stands a good chance at ruining CT's day now, but that's what it gets for doing horrible on Empire Magazine's top 100 list (67th).

UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/27/2009 12:10:49 AM | message detail

that's what it gets for doing horrible on Empire Magazine's top 100 list (67th).

Just ****ing stop. Nothing could possibly be more irrelevant.
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Meeks54 | Posted 6/27/2009 12:17:31 AM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #421
And if Crono can hold on for as long as he did, Snake will be fine.

Key difference here.

1 CT is one of the best games ever made, bar none, and almost in ever single top 10 ever made. Also I believe it and Soul Caliber are still tied for 10th highest rated game ever.
2 SQUARE on this site>everything else on this site not Nintendo. Snake is not Nintendo or Square, so his death is going to be swift and merciless.

Snake is done. And the reason Megaman is going to murder him two years from now (you know, if they meet) is because MM was stronger than Snake before Brawl. No more Brawl boost for Snake will put him right back down to dead last (well, 8th, but Sonic barely counts anymore).

I would easily account bet that two years from now it looks like this.

Link

Enormous Gap

Cloud

Sephiroth

Samus
Mario

Crono
Megaman

Snake

Pacific Ocean sized Gap

Sonic.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/27/2009 12:24:03 AM | message detail

Where did all this doom and gloom for Snake come from?
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AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 6/27/2009 12:35:31 AM | message detail

Why do you possibly thing anybody cares about Megaman anymore?

The blue bomber is a joke now
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/27/2009 1:01:56 AM | message detail

Where did all this doom and gloom for Snake come from?

MWC post. Move along.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/27/2009 1:03:10 AM | message detail

But I still think it's funny that he thinks two characters who have been irrelevant for years will suddenly become more relevant than Snake because MGS is done.

(Oh, by the way, MWC won't admit this, but MGS is just as acclaimed of a game as CT was)
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Meeks54 | Posted 6/27/2009 1:12:34 AM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #428
But I still think it's funny that he thinks two characters who have been irrelevant for years will suddenly become more relevant than Snake because MGS is done.

(Oh, by the way, MWC won't admit this, but MGS is just as acclaimed of a game as CT was)

Except, you know, it is not. There is that. So fail more.

MGS is an incredibly highly acclaimed game. Makes sense, it was an incredible game, second best in a fantastic series. That said, it is no where near the level of acclaim that OoT, Soul Calibur, CT, RE 4, Half Life II, Mario World, Super Metroid, Super Mario Galaxy and a very select few others received. And obviously, unless you are like Sonic and kill yourself, once your hype is gone (like Snake) the status quo will reset, and the status quo was.

Link
Cloud
Sephiroth
Crono
Samus
Mario
Sonic/Megaman
Snake

As you said, Crono and Megaman became irrelevant, while Mario, Samus and Snake had new games and Smash series. And Sonic just offed himself.

Since Sonic is done, and Mario and Samus still have new games coming out, we are looking at this with the death of MGS.

Link
Cloud
Sephiroth
Samus
Mario
Crono
Megaman
Snake
Sonic

That said, Snake will have one last year where he does fine. This contest he should be good, and will still be #6, ahead of Crono and Megaman, but next year.....see ya.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/27/2009 1:14:19 AM | message detail

People think irrelevance sets in too quickly.

But thanks for not disappointing me.
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Meeks54 | Posted 6/27/2009 1:23:52 AM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #430
People think irrelevance sets in too quickly.

But thanks for not disappointing me.

Ignoring the other sites for now, I will give their composite scores later (though obviously they are going to be roughly the same)

Gamerankings

Chrono Trigger #20 all time
Metal Gear Solid #72 all time

MGS did not get NEAR the level of acclaim CT did, and that you Snake blowing fanboys would even argue it did is insane.

That said, as I love mentioning everytime MGS comes up. Metal Gear Solid 2 is FAR AND AWAY the highest rated game in that series, which makes sense, being that it is easily the best.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/27/2009 1:48:17 AM | message detail

Why do people bring stats from magazines and other sites into these arguments? GameFAQs is the "we don't care what you think, **** you" place. Our results are wildly different from what you'd see anywhere else.
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Calintares | Posted 6/27/2009 4:04:29 AM | message detail

I have been wondering a little bit about that. Are there any other game-related polls that gets as big a votal as the contests on Gamefaqs?

if not, then the results here could actually be said to be more legit then magazines/other sites.
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Meeks54 | Posted 6/27/2009 5:13:52 AM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #432
Why do people bring stats from magazines and other sites into these arguments? GameFAQs is the "we don't care what you think, **** you" place. Our results are wildly different from what you'd see anywhere else.

I'm just using the composite ranking sites to show that MGS did not achieve near the overall acclaim that Chrono Trigger did. When CT was released it was the second highest rated game ever, I am pretty sure MGS was never even #2 on it's own system.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/27/2009 6:03:37 AM | message detail

As far as the PS1 goes, I remember that MGS if higher than FF7 but lower than Gran Turismo and Tekken 3.

@UltimateralizerX: GameFAQs is "Ocarina of Time and Final Fantasy VII were good, so this sequel is going to be awesome." That's how we roll. I'm starting to wonder whether most people voted based on name value. That said, here are my random blurbs comparing the contest to what other sites think. Feel free to ignore these.

1. You remember that Resident Evil 4 lost to two Wii games, right? According to Entertainment Weekly, there is indeed a Wii game that should beat RE4...but it is Super Mario Galaxy, not Brawl or Twilight Princess. According to Official Nintendo Magazine and the guys who voted in the Game.co.uk poll, there are two Wii games that are better than Resident Evil 4...but they are Super Mario Galaxy and Mario Kart Wii, not The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess and Super Smash Bros. Brawl. According to Stuff Magazine, there are two Wii games that should beat RE4...but they are SMG and Wii Sports, not SSBB and LoZ: TP.

2. According to GameReactor Magazine, RE4/KH2/SotC would've been a close match...for 2nd place, because Gears of War is the 11th best game of all time while the other three are barely in the top 40.

3. Nintendo Power unanimously called Super Mario Galaxy the best Wii game...but in this contest, Galaxy was SFFd by another Wii game. Entertainment Weekly called SMG the Wii's first truly classic title...but TP probably takes that on this site in a big way.

L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 6/27/2009 8:30:17 AM | message detail

Keep posting rankings, people, because GTA4 and Galaxy were juggernauts this contest and all!

Anyway, MWC, Snake has to drop a HUGE amount, moreso than I've seen any other character drop on this site, to get beat by Mega Man. Will he drop soon? I can see it, since his two big games have been out now for a year or so and he doesn't really have anything huge coming out besides MGS games that don't actually feature him (unless the PSP does, but I doubt that would do anything considering how small an effect CTDS had for Crono). I wouldn't be surprised to see Snake drop, but lose against Mega Man? Really? Have you forgotten that Mega Man is also falling? He's not as pathetic as Sonic, but he's as irrelevant as Crono now. Who the hell actually played a Mega Man game released in the past five years besides the download-only Mega Man 9, which maybe 100k-200k people played? At least Mario keeps pumping out games like Galaxy and Sonic Unleashed actually seems to be Sonic's first decent game in awhile. If any of the Noble Nine have reason to drop, it's Mega Man, and if Sonic Team actually somehow figures out what people liked from Unleashed (HAHAHA good one, me), Mega Man may soon be the complete joke of the Noble Nine instead of Sonic.

That said, even if Snake dropped, the worst I see happening two years from now is Snake losing to Samus again 1v1. Crono is now just staying level rather than dropping, Mega Man is losing relevance, and Sonic is as big a joke character now as L-Block after jobbing to Kirby.
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Meeks54 | Posted 6/27/2009 8:48:31 AM | message detail

From: L33t_Rappa_Sam | #436
Keep posting rankings, people, because GTA4 and Galaxy were juggernauts this contest and all!

Anyway, MWC, Snake has to drop a HUGE amount, moreso than I've seen any other character drop on this site, to get beat by Mega Man. Will he drop soon? I can see it, since his two big games have been out now for a year or so and he doesn't really have anything huge coming out besides MGS games that don't actually feature him (unless the PSP does, but I doubt that would do anything considering how small an effect CTDS had for Crono). I wouldn't be surprised to see Snake drop, but lose against Mega Man? Really? Have you forgotten that Mega Man is also falling? He's not as pathetic as Sonic, but he's as irrelevant as Crono now. Who the hell actually played a Mega Man game released in the past five years besides the download-only Mega Man 9, which maybe 100k-200k people played? At least Mario keeps pumping out games like Galaxy and Sonic Unleashed actually seems to be Sonic's first decent game in awhile. If any of the Noble Nine have reason to drop, it's Mega Man, and if Sonic Team actually somehow figures out what people liked from Unleashed (HAHAHA good one, me), Mega Man may soon be the complete joke of the Noble Nine instead of Sonic.

That said, even if Snake dropped, the worst I see happening two years from now is Snake losing to Samus again 1v1. Crono is now just staying level rather than dropping, Mega Man is losing relevance, and Sonic is as big a joke character now as L-Block after jobbing to Kirby.

Magus?

The worst you see him doing, is what he would have done this year? Cause Samus and Mario still would have taken him.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/27/2009 11:22:04 AM | message detail

Lawl Gamerankings

But MGS won't fade off the scene for a long time, even without Snake there. The series is getting two more games next year, and Snake at the very least should make a cameo in one and be referenced heavily in the other.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 6/27/2009 11:23:37 AM | message detail

It took like, 5 years for Crono to really start losing strength. And his game wasn't nearly as readily available to the general populace as Snake's were. He should be fine for a while.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/27/2009 11:27:55 AM | message detail

Yeah, these people thinking Snake's going to drop off like a rock in two years are crazy. The only thing that would cause that is another site shift, one away from MGS and Nintendo, the latter of which doesn't look like it's going to happen any time soon.

Granted, one of them is MWC, which isn't worth much.
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 6/27/2009 11:47:35 AM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #425
Where did all this doom and gloom for Snake come from?

I think I started it. Sorry for the derail, Ulti. :(

Anyway, let's make something clear: Snake is NOT going to have a decline as slow as Crono's. Remember 2004? That was Snake's absolute worst year, to the point he almost lost to FROG, of all characters, and it was what, something like three years after MGS2? Snake's popularity faded fast, and I could see a repeat of that. Snake has been on a constant hype train for the last three years, so he has kept getting stronger, but that's over now. I don't know how fast he'll weaken this time, but you can bet on it.

LeonhartFour | Posted 6/27/2009 11:48:33 AM | message detail

That wasn't a fast decline for Snake, just so you know. He'd need a bigger drop than that to fall below any of the three below him in the Noble Nine.
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 6/27/2009 11:52:21 AM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #442
That wasn't a fast decline for Snake, just so you know. He'd need a bigger drop than that to fall below any of the three below him in the Noble Nine.

Sure, not denying that. I'm just saying, he's going to take a steep drop. No more Samuslike levels for him.

And I'm not sure if Megs and Sonic have dropped THAT much. Crono? Sure. But Mega-Man seems consistent with his 2006 showings, and Sonic is an enigma. He's bombed in the 4way format, but in 2006, he did very well against a Snake coming off of a big upset against Megs. To me, his drop seems to come from how one of his biggest strengths, his character appeal, is massively diluted when he's up against three opponents instead of one.

LeonhartFour | Posted 6/27/2009 11:53:47 AM | message detail

Very few characters make "steep" drops around here. Crono's decline was gradual, as was Mega Man's.

And 45% against Snake wasn't a good showing for Sonic, just so you know. Barely better than Mega Man means that he's barely better than 2005 or Mega Man's barely worse than 2005 that year.
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 6/27/2009 1:56:53 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #444
Very few characters make "steep" drops around here. Crono's decline was gradual, as was Mega Man's.

And 45% against Snake wasn't a good showing for Sonic, just so you know. Barely better than Mega Man means that he's barely better than 2005 or Mega Man's barely worse than 2005 that year.

Wouldn't that be GOOD for Megs and Sonic? I mean, they did well in 2005. Certainly not bad enough for the "is now a crappy high midcarder" nonsense we've been seeing in the last posts. Crono wasn't terrible in 2005 either, to boot.

Additionally, I'm a believer in the "momentum" theory: the further you go, and the bigger the odds you triumph against, the more votes you get. Therefore, I believe Sonic faced an appreciably stronger Snake (say, 1 or 2% stronger given the same votals) than the one that defeated Megs. So I'm not so sure about 45% not being a good showing. After all, 2008's final was a good case of bandwagon voting (which is what momentum is about) making the difference, and it was precisely Snake who benefited from it.

L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 6/27/2009 3:45:55 PM | message detail

If Snake had momentum in all his later matches, why would that change in later contests? It's not like we're gonna see Snake VS Sonic in Round 1 of any contest. If Sonic or Mega Man want to beat Snake, they also have to beat the momentum Snake carries with him in later rounds.

Meaning arguing about any momentum Snake builds up is kind of a moot point.
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 6/27/2009 3:53:42 PM | message detail

You gain more momentum if you do something impressive. Blowing out fodder isn't impressive. Snake taking down Mario would be an impressive result. In other words, the more amazing AND unexpected your performances, the better you'll do later on. Thus, a character with a path as exciting as Switzerland's in WWII will have less momentum coming into a match with a character of equal strength that had three or four close matches.

UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/27/2009 6:48:26 PM | message detail

1998-2000 Round 2: Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow vs Zelda: Majora's Mask vs Metal Gear Solid vs Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal

Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow - 34755 [26.27%]
Zelda: Majora's Mask - 28558 [21.58%]
Metal Gear Solid - 43960 [33.22%]
Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal - 25043 [18.93%]
Total Votes - 132316

Not only did Pokemon collectively combine for 45% of the vote, but the entire poll scored 132,000 votes despite there being three first party Nintendo games. You can look at these very final numbers and see the trouble Metal Gear Solid was in next round. RBY held up well despite GSC and Majora's Mask in the way. Replacing Majora's Mask with Ocarina of Time and removing GSC altogether spelled terrible for Metal Gear Solid, especially given MGS can't pull off miracles unless it's dealing with low vote totals.

And this is just from looking at the final numbers. RBY stayed even with MGS for a little while, and MGS didn't truly begin pulling away until the poll was an hour old. If MGS had all this trouble with GSC clearly leeching the hell out RBY, how could it beat an unhindered RBY? The short answer is it wouldn't. Gold/Silver/Crystal and Majora's Mask are worth mentioning here, because they held up extremely well given the circumstances. Majora's Mask especially was an unquestioned bomb in the first round, but this match showed it had some bite in it and was perhaps SFFd to a huge degree by Pokemon RBY. GSC, despite a last place finish, leeched RBY quite a lot and cost it a first place finish. RBY would get a chance to prove itself without a younger brother around to suck up votes in round 3, but for now it had to deal with second place.

The true loser in this poll was Metal Gear Solid. It's rare you see a game come in first place by nearly 10,000 votes and look the worst, but it looked like crap here. MGS vs 3 Nintendo games and it doesn't begin pulling away for an hour? Only 33% of the total vote with Nintendo splitting three ways? Bad performance in every way, it just happened to land in first place.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/27/2009 6:50:56 PM | message detail

1.According to Entertainment Weekly
2. According to GameReactor Magazine

WE DON'T ****ING CARE. Those things couldn't possibly mean less of a **** to how this site votes, and you keep posting them despite everyone yelling at you to shut up. Stop being annoying.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/27/2009 6:56:19 PM | message detail

I can't ever see Snake beating Mario in a 1v1 match, and I can't ever see Mario beating Sephiroth in a 1v1 match. These are upset picks that gets talked about every year, but they'd at best be 55-45 in favor of the favorite. I doubt we'll ever get proof of this given the state of 1v1, though, so we're stuck thinking about this in 4-way logic.

No clue where all the Snake pessimism is coming from, but it's extremely difficult to decline on this site once you catch Nintendo's popularity. I guess he could decline eventually if he went the route of Mega Man and made no impact for 10+ years, but I can't imagine anything noticeable any time soon. Especially given how popular Brawl is.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/27/2009 7:22:19 PM | message detail

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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 6/27/2009 7:27:43 PM | message detail

"Final Fantasy 8 vs Starcraft vs Zelda: Ocarina of Time vs Final Fantasy 8"

See, the power of us FF8 fans is such that we get represented TWICE! Told ya! :P

LeonhartFour | Posted 6/27/2009 7:28:32 PM | message detail

especially given MGS can't pull off miracles unless it's dealing with low vote totals.

Pretty sure both Snake > Cloud upsets had high vote totals!

And I don't know why people get so down on MGS getting 33% in round two. Why is triple Nintendo LFF supposed to inflate the uninvolved party's percentage again? It doesn't. There was only so high MGS was going to go considering it was facing a top 5-10 game, a top 20-25 game, and a Zelda game.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/28/2009 12:20:31 AM | message detail

From: KanzarisKelshen | Posted: 6/27/2009 9:27:43 PM | #452
"Final Fantasy 8 vs Starcraft vs Zelda: Ocarina of Time vs Final Fantasy 8"

See, the power of us FF8 fans is such that we get represented TWICE! Told ya! :P

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/28/2009 12:20:56 AM | message detail

1998-2000 Round 2: Final Fantasy 8 vs Starcraft vs Zelda: Ocarina of Time vs Final Fantasy 9

Final Fantasy 8 - 27725 [21.1%]
Starcraft - 21854 [16.63%]
Zelda: Ocarina of Time - 64854 [49.36%]
Final Fantasy 9 - 16956 [12.91%]
Total Votes - 131389

We've already covered why FF7's performance in round 2 was more impressive than Ocarina's here, but thankfully there was a decent match to be had past Ocarina's blowout first place victory.

The final result does not do justice how legitimately scared Final Fantasy 8 was early on in this match. Thanks to Final Fantasy 9's leeching of 8 and Zelda destroying everything, Starcraft's independent fanbase was able to sneak it into second place early. After how badly Starcraft sucked in the first round, all the ghosts from 2004 came out of the closet and Starcraft once again miraculously found itself in a position to cause damage. And given the circumstance of the opponents, it wasn't unreasonable to think Starcraft could pull this one off. Pulling off a big comeback is difficult when you're in a fourway poll against your own fans and Ocarina of Time.

But this time, there would be no miracle rally and no miracle finish. After Starcraft built up a 100 vote lead, FF8 stalled for awhile before the FF overnight vote kicked in and the floodgates opened. FF8 literally erased the lead in 30 minutes once 1:50 a.m. hit, and then 8 went on to score an easy 6000 vote win. No insane Starcraft run this year, though that first two hours were quite entertaining.

FF8 proved in the first round it was no fluke, and it proved in the second round it could stand up to a bit of adversity. It would be nice to see how FF8 held up in a 1v1 game contest, but sadly we'll likely never get the chance.
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DrIglooBob | Posted 6/28/2009 10:37:22 PM | message detail

FF8 > 9 should be an embarrassment to any fan of the series.

I mean yeah, 9 falls apart after a disc and a half to two discs, somewhere in there.

8 falls apart after you watch that cool intro movie.

"whatever"

LeonhartFour | Posted 6/28/2009 10:38:23 PM | message detail

No, FFVIII's next match was the embarrassment, not this one.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/28/2009 10:39:54 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | Posted: 6/29/2009 12:38:23 AM | #457
No, FFVIII's next match was the embarrassment, not this one.

Last Place Factor, man. It exists.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/28/2009 11:36:28 PM | message detail

2001-2003 Round 2: Final Fantasy X vs Metal Gear Solid 2 vs Kingdom Hearts vs Grand Theft Auto: Vice City

Final Fantasy X - 38056 [31.49%]
Metal Gear Solid 2 - 27117 [22.44%]
Kingdom Hearts - 33528 [27.74%]
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City - 22151 [18.33%]
Total Votes - 120852

This was a matchup of four huge PS2 titles, and it was very difficult pre-match to tell where all the SFF would lean. FFX > KH was the consensus based on round 1 results, but SFF can be quite fickle.

This match didn't end up fickle, but it started out that way. Kingdom Hearts, FFX and MGS2 all combined to knock out Vice City early on, and were all tied for a few minutes. Final Fantasy X would eventually pull away overnight, and the match was ultimately between Kingdom Hearts 2 and Metal Gear Solid 2 for second place.

That mini-match however was over 15 minutes in -- Kingdom Hearts in the 0:10 - 0:15 update increased its lead from 13 to 108 votes, effectively giving us the final result right then and there. MGS2 and Vice City went on to respectable third and fourth place finishes.

The story here was how good Kingdom Hearts looked in this match, and in turn how bad FFX looked. We all know FFX would eventually make the final, but there was some doubt of that following this match. This was not an impressive first place by any stretch, and one could easily argue FFX was leeched to holy hell by all three of the other games in this poll. Kingdom Hearts, as usual, looked like a beast. If Kingdom Hearts 3 would ever get announced and released, the entire series could reach elite levels. It's damn strong as-is.

Speaking of Kingdom Hearts 3, who do I have to kill in order to get this game announced? The wait is unbearable.

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Meeks54 | Posted 6/28/2009 11:43:39 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #457
No, FFVIII's next match was the embarrassment, not this one.

The only correct order was done in the next match.

OoT is the best game ever
Pokemon RBY is top 10
MGS is top 30
FF VIII is top 100.

It was the perfect and only correct order.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/28/2009 11:57:01 PM | message detail

MWC post
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/28/2009 11:57:59 PM | message detail

Last Place Factor, man. It exists.

I'm not exactly sure why 18% is attributed to Last Place Factor. The embarrassment is in having the order backwards.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/28/2009 11:59:29 PM | message detail

2001-2003 Round 2: Diablo 2: Lord of Destruction vs Halo: Combat Evolved vs Super Smash Bros. Melee vs Zelda: The Wind Waker

Diablo 2: Lord of Destruction - 30619 [25.12%]
Halo: Combat Evolved - 22215 [18.23%]
Super Smash Bros. Melee - 45050 [36.97%]
Zelda: The Wind Waker - 23988 [19.68%]
Total Votes - 121872

Melee winning this match was a given, but this was the second match in a row where it seemed a bit off. This was an impressive enough first place and an easy win, but it failed to deliver that SFF killer punch to Wind Waker we all expected. As hard as it is to accept, Melee just isn't that killer instinct dominant game we all want it to be. Remember, 2004 didn't feature dominant performances either. Either Wind Waker isn't all that bad, or Melee isn't that good. Good, but not great. If by some miracle we ever saw Melee vs Brawl 1v1, Brawl could be considered a favorite going in. Compare Melee's eye test this contest to Brawl's. It isn't close.

The true match here were the other three games, though it wasn't really a match. Diablo 2 won second place very easily, and silenced all the critics thinking the first round win was a fluke. Only 9.3% of people had Diablo 2 getting to the third round of this contest, mainly because Halo is the most overbracketed series we have.

Once again, everyone had faith in Halo. And like always, Halo bombed. And this wasn't a simple choking; it scored last place against an SFFd Wind Waker, and it was clear Halo would get last place within a couple hours. Halo is famous for choking in contests, but this ranks up there with the all-time best.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/29/2009 12:05:48 AM | message detail

I'd apologize, but I'd be lying.

Lawl MWC post
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/29/2009 12:06:14 AM | message detail

From: Meeks54 | Posted: 6/29/2009 2:04:59 AM | #464
I'm sorry, but LOL at VIII being at all better than OoT or Pokemon. You frigging worthless Squall fanboy.

If you're going to troll, go make an ATTN: Leon topic and keep it out of the PCA.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/29/2009 12:07:21 AM | message detail

The easiest thing to do when he posts is just laugh it off and forget about it. He's not worth anything more than that.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/29/2009 12:26:12 AM | message detail

If he wants to debate the meaning of results, that's okay by me. But this is one topic I'd like to keep personal attacks out of.
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Meeks54 | Posted 6/29/2009 12:26:57 AM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #468
If he wants to debate the meaning of results, that's okay by me. But this is one topic I'd like to keep personal attacks out of.

Fair enough. Sorry Ulti.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/29/2009 12:32:48 AM | message detail

You think MGS is only top 30? It looked to still be in the 10-15 range.
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Meeks54 | Posted 6/29/2009 12:37:10 AM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #470
You think MGS is only top 30? It looked to still be in the 10-15 range.

That wasthe actual ranking, not contest strength.

I would say it is probably in the 12-18 range for contest strength. The first non Squaretendo game. Not that that apparently says much right now.
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TheOceIot | Posted 6/29/2009 12:53:51 AM | message detail

Speaking of Kingdom Hearts 3, who do I have to kill in order to get this game announced? The wait is unbearable.

Kingdom Hearts 3 won't be out until 2013 at the earliest. The KH team is working on Versus XIII at the moment and that game won't even be out until 2011/2012. The wait sucks but the DS and PSP games look pretty good.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/29/2009 5:01:34 PM | message detail

...for ****'s sake.
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th3l3fty | Posted 6/29/2009 5:09:21 PM | message detail

from a month-old interview:

Nomura: Even though I’m currently busy with Final Fantasy versus XIII, I’m also thinking that it’s almost time to start thinking about [KH3] seriously. Though it’s entirely possible that the next game in the series won’t be KH3.
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DrIglooBob | Posted 6/29/2009 8:46:22 PM | message detail

unless it stars riku or roxas, who cares imo

UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/29/2009 11:32:30 PM | message detail

Tomorrow
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/30/2009 3:46:27 PM | message detail

2004-2006 Round 2: The Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion vs Tales of Symphonia vs Metal Gear Solid 3 vs World of Warcraft

The Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion - 28551 [24.88%]
Tales of Symphonia - 23752 [20.7%]
Metal Gear Solid 3 - 36349 [31.67%]
World of Warcraft - 26111 [22.75%]
Total Votes - 114763

This match wasn't nearly as close as the first round blockbuster Oblivion and Tales of Symphonia gave us, but it was equally important and fun for a little while.

Metal Gear Solid 3 came out early and set the stage for its being a surprise contender in round 3. It would eventually fall short of one of the biggest possible upsets, but for this round it proved legitimate strength by pulling away early from three tough games.

Which leads us to the true match. For a time, it looked like the second round ToS match would be every bit as good as round 1. It looked early on like WoW would get last place, but within a few minutes WoW came back and gave us a three-way deadlock for second. The match stayed this way for nearly two hours, where Tales of Symphonia expectedly (based on the round 1 trends) fell off the pace. But unlike round 1, there would be no miracle comeback this time around. Tales of Symphonia had a great round 1 match and finally justified a huge amount of its fan-dom, but it fell short in round 2 in the face of Obivion.

Not too long after Tales of Symphonia fell off, World of Warcraft looked to follow suit. But after Oblivion built up a 100 vote lead, the match entered one of the most prolonged stalls ever. Oblivion's lead stayed between 100 and 300 for over six hours, but neither game was able to make any headway thanks to the various rallies going on. Then the DSV hit, and WoW was able to tie the match in all of 12 seconds. It looked like WoW would explode and win easily from here, but Oblivion hung tough for a little while before doing the whole pulling-away-while-being-stalled thing. This lasted until the ASV, where Oblivion was finally able to cement the match and score second place for good.

We'd had several examples of rallying not mattering too much (namely with Persona 4), but this match can finally put that argument to rest. Unless you have something on a MASSIVE scale (L-Block), rallying is negligible and always has been. If WoW of all games can't rally in this of all formats, we can officially put the rallying nonsense to rest. You can rally more votes all you want, but the people you attract will pick the option they like regardless.

The true story here was Oblivion. It placed in two matches despite no bracket support at all, proving it has legitimate strength and could cause real damage if we'd ever get a 1v1 contest again.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/30/2009 3:47:59 PM | message detail

"WoW could rally 10,000 votes easy."
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/30/2009 4:21:50 PM | message detail

2004-2006 Round 2: Resident Evil 4 vs Kingdom Hearts 2 vs Zelda: Twilight Princess vs Half-Life 2

Resident Evil 4 - 32237 [27%]
Kingdom Hearts 2 - 31366 [26.28%]
Zelda: Twilight Princess - 33987 [28.47%]
Half-Life 2 - 21785 [18.25%]
Total Votes - 119375

Resident Evil 4 and Kingdom Hearts 2 gave us a damn good match in round 1, and they followed it up with their best impression of Super Metroid vs Super Mario Kart. Yes this was a very close match, but it had the excitement of a doorknob given we saw the same exact match with the same exact trends in round 1.

In round 1, Resident Evil 4 built up a 1250 vote lead overnight and held on for dear life all throughout Kingdom Hearts 2's day vote, squeaking by with a seemingly close win. I say "seemingly" because RE4 was never really threatened. Round 2 was much different in that RE4 only built up a 700 vote lead before the morning vote, 550 less than in round 1. Had Round 1 perfectly repeated itself, Kingdom Hearts 2 would have made a furious comeback and brought the match down to the wire.

But round 1 did not perfectly repeat itself, mainly because of Zelda's presence. Resident Evil 4 surprisingly kept up its pace all the way to the ASV, building up a 2000 vote lead in the face of everyone calling on an RE4 collapse. And make no mistake -- RE4 did collapse here, to the tune of bleeding 1200 votes. It just did so about 6 hours later than expected. RE4 was very lucky Zelda was around to suck up the traditional Kingdom Hearts morning vote, because Kingdom Hearts 2 would have scored the upset had it been able to get going at the same time as round 1. This was the second match in a row in which RE4 was able to squeak by KH2, and RE4 wasn't close to finished its nail-biting matches. This match more or less showed Kingdom Hearts and Zelda share a ton of fans, and you could also definitely call RE4 a quasi-Nintendo game here. Some how, some way, it survived the Kingdom Hearts day vote twice. That's no easy feat, even if it did prove RE4 was not finals-worthy.

We also saw here how Twilight Princess was not finals-worthy. If RE4, KH2 and Twilight Princess are all this close, all three could effectively be thrown out of the discussion. Twilight Princess was dangerously close to being in second place this match, and was saved by the ASV. Skipping ahead a bit, Brawl SFFd the living hell out of Mario Galaxy. It was a safe bet based on round 2 results it would beat Twilight Princess handily, but we're getting ahead of ourselves. If you're a finals contender, you don't stay in first place by 200 votes and rely on ASV pushes to score convincing wins, regardless of any weird fanbase splits. If Brawl and Twilight Princess switched places, there's no doubt Brawl would have crushed this poll within 10 minutes. As is, Twilight Princess was at the very least leeched very badly, which was a bad omen given future opponents. This was a pretty bad effort by TP, even considering KH2 and RE4 are both potentially top 15 or 20 around here. There was actually a time in this match where Twilight Princess only led Resident Evil 4 by 9 votes. The same RE4 that bled 1200 votes later.

The winner here, even though it lost, was Kingdom Hearts 2. This whole series is no joke, and it taps into a ton of different fanbases all at once. If we could ever get 3 announced, we'd be looking at three different games from the KH series with top 10 potential.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/30/2009 4:22:17 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | Posted: 6/30/2009 5:47:59 PM | #478
"WoW could rally 10,000 votes easy."

Where did I say this? Or are you quoting Albion?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/30/2009 5:47:49 PM | message detail

Alby.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/30/2009 7:44:50 PM | message detail

Man, RE4 is easily more fun than TP, if nothing else. I don't think any site likes TP more than GameFAQs. Same true with Brawl.

If there's one thing I'm disappointed in, it's that this site probably only cares about Smash and LoZ now. The old-school Marios and FFs will always be looked up to, but Smash and Zelda will be the only franchises with anticipated games on this site. LoZ is my favorite series, but it's still disappointing.

UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/30/2009 7:48:40 PM | message detail

From: LinkMarioSamus | Posted: 6/30/2009 9:44:50 PM | #482
Man, RE4 is easily more fun than TP, if nothing else. I don't think any site likes TP more than GameFAQs. Same true with Brawl.

If there's one thing I'm disappointed in, it's that this site probably only cares about Smash and LoZ now. The old-school Marios and FFs will always be looked up to, but Smash and Zelda will be the only franchises with anticipated games on this site. LoZ is my favorite series, but it's still disappointing.

Much better. Talk about what WE like =p
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/30/2009 7:53:53 PM | message detail

Well, I'd imagine I'd have a lot of fun playing RE4. Too bad I'm gonna have to wait for four years.

BTW have any of you guys realized how much trouble FF8/X have SFFing anything (besides each other, I guess)?

UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/30/2009 7:55:12 PM | message detail

Why do you have to wait 4 years? The game costs like 2 dollars now.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/30/2009 7:59:43 PM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #485
Why do you have to wait 4 years? The game costs like 2 dollars now.

He's said several times his parents won't allow him to buy M rated games and he's like 13 >_>
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TheOceIot | Posted 6/30/2009 8:54:41 PM | message detail

The true story here was Oblivion. It placed in two matches despite no bracket support at all, proving it has legitimate strength and could cause real damage if we'd ever get a 1v1 contest again.

I have no idea why Oblivion was so underestimated by everyone on this board. It was just as popular and well received as Fallout 3.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/1/2009 3:53:37 AM | message detail

Well, I'm actually 14. Currently installing Morrowind.

Also watching a let's play of Call of Duty 4 on YouTube and...well, I dunno whether you can call it the best game of all time or not. The singleplayer campaign looks generic aside from the story (which is really good, from what I've heard).

Speaking of Call of Duty 4...when's the next analysis coming?

LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/1/2009 6:09:27 AM | message detail

Maybe most people who frequent this site don't play mature games? That explains why most mature games didn't do all that well, no? Not to mention the only mature game I know that has a good ASV is Halo.

L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 7/1/2009 7:03:52 AM | message detail

From: LinkMarioSamus | #489
Maybe most people who frequent this site don't play mature games? That explains why most mature games didn't do all that well, no? Not to mention the only mature game I know that has a good ASV is Halo.

It probably doesn't help that I can't think of any M-rated game that's come out from Nintendo or Square-Enix, at least certainly not from their main franchises, plus factor in that there weren't really any hit M-rated games until the Playstation came out so essentially the first half of the entire bracket lacked them besides Doom and FF7's division, so I think mature games doing horrible is more of a coincidence than GameFAQs actually avoiding them. Plus, some M games are rather strong here, such as Oblivion, Fallout 3, and Resident Evil 4 (even if its contest performance was overhyped like hell).

On the other hand, I can't see an M-rated Zelda or Final Fantasy doing all that well.
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Kotetsu534 | Posted 7/1/2009 7:26:48 AM | message detail

Persona 4 got published by SE in Europe, if you want to count it towards their mature game count.

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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/1/2009 7:31:43 AM | message detail

Actually yeah, Nintendo hasn't even made a single T-rated game, let alone M-rated (remember, Smash games are produced by HAL Labs/Sora, GoldenEye/Perfect Dark/Conker by Rare, Metroid Prime by Retro Studios, and Eternal Darkness by Silicon Knights).

BTW I am angry about Paper Mario making the contest as well. First of all, it cost Metroid Prime an advancement, and second, Eternal Darkness, Ico, and even Gran Turismo 3 were all more deserving.

And as I keep complaining, Tomb Raider or Total Annihilation should've been in Lufia II's spot. We probably should've replaced Kirby Super Star with a Command and Conquer game as well.

th3l3fty | Posted 7/1/2009 9:18:22 AM | message detail

From: LinkMarioSamus | #492
Actually yeah, Nintendo hasn't even made a single T-rated game, let alone M-rated (remember, Smash games are produced by HAL Labs/Sora, GoldenEye/Perfect Dark/Conker by Rare, Metroid Prime by Retro Studios, and Eternal Darkness by Silicon Knights).

http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/gamecube/data/920769.html
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Calintares | Posted 7/1/2009 12:11:11 PM | message detail

Metal Gear Solid is the mature series that did best, and it did very good considering it's not Squintendo.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 7/1/2009 5:16:46 PM | message detail

I think RE4 would benefit a decent amount of the format was 1 v 1. It's fanbase is too broad.

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charmander6000 | Posted 7/1/2009 5:26:23 PM | message detail

The main reason KH2's comeback started later was because round 1 was on a weekend while round 2 was on a weekday. I remember arguing that RE4 built a big enough lead and that its ASV was as bad as traditional RE.
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firebotslash | Posted 7/1/2009 6:54:44 PM | message detail

Actually yeah, Nintendo hasn't even made a single T-rated game

Twilight Princess.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/1/2009 7:36:10 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | Posted: 7/1/2009 7:26:23 PM | #497
The main reason KH2's comeback started later was because round 1 was on a weekend while round 2 was on a weekday. I remember arguing that RE4 built a big enough lead and that its ASV was as bad as traditional RE.

Oh, right.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/1/2009 7:36:17 PM | message detail

Play Portal.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/1/2009 7:37:33 PM | message detail

The first topic filled, so here we go.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 7/1/2009 7:47:26 PM | message detail

Count me in.
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*lurks*
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Tagged. The show must go...I mean, the PCA must go on!

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2007-2009 Round 2: Super Smash Bros. Brawl vs Grand Theft Auto 4 vs Call of Duty 4 vs Super Mario Galaxy

Super Smash Bros. Brawl - 45104 [41.06%]
Grand Theft Auto 4 - 19737 [17.97%]
Call of Duty 4 - 27929 [25.42%]
Super Mario Galaxy - 17089 [15.56%]
Total Votes - 109859

Remember the people like me that argued Call of Duty 4 was strong, and could sneak into second place in this match above an SFFd Brawl?

Well, we were all stupid. Really, really stupid. Oh we called CoD4's strength well enough, but the SFF in this match went entirely the other way. Brawl didn't just beat down and SFF Galaxy here; this was arguably the most meaningful, embarrassing SFF beating we've ever seen in a contest. This got so bad that Galaxy lost it's third place lead over Grand Theft Auto 4 within an hour and a half. This was just horrible. Pathetic. Terribad. Any synonym you can think of for "legendary meltdown". It was a horrible result, and it made Galaxy the biggest flop of the entire contest.

This also proved Brawl as the Wii title, above Galaxy (obviously) and probably above Twilight Princess. Yes Twilight Princess is technically a Gamecube title, but hush. Twilight Princess was on a clear path for its chance at Brawl two rounds from here, but it had no chance based on round 2 results. TP was leeched, while Brawl was dominant. The most dominant game of the latter two divisions through two rounds. Easily. Brawl's impressive performance here can easily make you forget how well CoD4 did to finish in second place, but do remember how most people thought Brawl and Galaxy would both be strong enough to finish in some order of 1-2 here, regardless of splitting.

After this match, the contenders for the fourth game in the final looked like such: Brawl, Final Fantasy X, Metal Gear Solid 4. That's it. RBY and Melee both had Ocarina in the way, so the list was trimmed down to three within two rounds.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 7/1/2009 7:56:56 PM | message detail

Remember the people like me that argued Call of Duty 4 was strong, and could sneak into second place in this match above an SFFd Brawl?

Yeah, you crazy people who thought Galaxy could beat Brawl. Crazier than those FFIV > Mario 3/Mario World people for sure!
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/1/2009 8:02:42 PM | message detail

I'm pretty sure Final Fantasy 4 > Mario was much more stupid. There was no basis at all for that. At least Galaxy was a GOTY winner.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/1/2009 8:02:46 PM | message detail

2007-2009 Round 2: Metal Gear Solid 4 vs Portal vs Fallout 3 vs Halo 3

Metal Gear Solid 4 - 40740 [35.5%]
Portal - 23793 [20.73%]
Fallout 3 - 29243 [25.48%]
Halo 3 - 20996 [18.29%]
Total Votes - 114772

The Fallout 3 > Halo 3 first round match was one of the most boring matches of the contest, and round 2 wasn't much better. MGS4 > Fallout 3 was a complete lock, and you maybe make a case for Portal or Halo 3 swinging an upset because of round 1 producing some weird results from splitting. Or not. This match was over within a couple hours, though it was nice seeing Portal hang in there for a bit. If you haven't played Portal yet, you have no idea what you're missing. What a perfect gem of a game, and I love how a next-gen game can be 2-3 hours long and be better than 99% of the crap out there. Stunning how a game being fun is all that matters, trumping all this crap about 100 hour play times and multi-million dollar development costs. God bless you, Portal and Valve.

Since this match was so short, another mini Stars and Turds!

Star of the Round:
-Super Smash Bros. Brawl

Turd of the Round:
-Super Mario Galaxy

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LeonhartFour | Posted 7/1/2009 8:03:24 PM | message detail

Whoo, MGS4!
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/1/2009 8:15:39 PM | message detail

BTW if I played most of the blockbusters of this generation, my ranking would probably go like this, with the first 6 (maybe 7) all being very deserving of Best Game Ever.

1. Half-Life 2
2. Super Mario Galaxy
3. Fallout 3
4. Grand Theft Auto IV
5. Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots
6. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
7. Halo 3
8. Mario Kart Wii
9. BioShock
10. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
11. Gears of War
12. Super Smash Bros. Brawl
13. World of Warcraft
14. Portal
15. The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion

What would be your ranking? I'm interested to see since you've actually played the games.

Brawl SFFing Galaxy was one of the worst moments of the contest for me. I don't mind Mario Galaxy losing to GTAIV or CoD4, but I do mind it even losing to Brawl, let alone getting SFFd.

And who agrees that Mario Kart Wii is really that good?

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L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 7/1/2009 8:23:44 PM | message detail

1. Fallout 3
2. See 1.
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charmander6000 | Posted 7/1/2009 8:24:44 PM | message detail

I'm pretty sure Final Fantasy 4 > Mario was much more stupid. There was no basis at all for that.

I agree with FFIV for first (and I had LoZ in first the next round), but some people expected SMB3 to SFF SMW

At least Galaxy was a GOTY winner.

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Meeks54 | Posted 7/1/2009 8:25:17 PM | message detail

After this match, the contenders for the fourth game in the final looked like such: Brawl, Final Fantasy X, Metal Gear Solid 4. That's it. RBY and Melee both had Ocarina in the way, so the list was trimmed down to three within two rounds.

Wait, what?

No one with half a brain thought MGS 4 had a chance to make the finals going into round 3.

The list was Brawl, X, RBY. We all had no idea how the SFF would fall for RBY against OoT, so it was very much in contention. Also, I would say the only reason Melee would not be there is because of Brawl and RBY, not OoT. It was blatantly obvious at this point that Brawl and RBY would beat Melee with little problem, so Melee could not conceivably be #2 in a match with OoT and Brawl. Had Brawl or RBY not been there, Melee has a great chance, because again, we have no idea how the SFF will fall against OoT. Both RBY and Smash had met 2 Zelda games so far, both SFFed Zelda to hell and back. Add in to that their semi independent fanbases compared to the rest of Nintendo, and Smash resisting Super Mario and no one could say with complete confidence that OoT would bring the SFF hammer on those 2.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 7/1/2009 8:26:42 PM | message detail

I'm pretty sure Final Fantasy 4 > Mario was much more stupid. There was no basis at all for that.

Same series SFF and FFI's 40% on Mario 3 in 2004 gave plenty of reason to think FFIV had an outside shot. Brawl beating Galaxy was obvious if you knew the Nintendo fanbase and didn't listen to Board 8 about how much people hate Brawl.
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Canth | Posted 7/1/2009 8:30:40 PM | message detail

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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/1/2009 8:33:09 PM | message detail

It's just nice that the Smash games felt the SFF hammer at the end.

Jokeman18 | Posted 7/1/2009 8:36:13 PM | message detail

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Big Bob | Posted 7/1/2009 8:44:16 PM | message detail

I bet my bracket on old Square, and looked what happened. I had several reasons for FFIV to be strong:

-It was untested; it's usually placed alongside FFVI in a poll, which is obviously gonna SFF it to death. It never had an opportunity to show its strength.
-In the last CB, FFIV characters proved stronger than anyone expected. Yeah, none of them won a match, but they weren't placed in very favorable positions. Besides, FFVI the game is much stronger than its characters, so why couldn't FFIV be the same?
-FFIV DS

Yeah, it didn't play out all the way. But I do think it was reasonable to think it could get past a SFF'd Mario game.
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Meeks54 | Posted 7/1/2009 8:52:53 PM | message detail

From: LinkMarioSamus | #020
It's just nice that the Smash games felt the SFF hammer at the end.

Yeah, it was nice cause it felt it to the best game ever made.

What was really nice was that Brawl showed to be the fourth strongest game after all was said and done, probably over even ALttP.
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th3l3fty | Posted 7/1/2009 9:02:02 PM | message detail

There are a whole bunch of games that could feasibly turn out to be the third-strongest - it's not just LttP and Brawl in that discussion!
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Meeks54 | Posted 7/1/2009 9:10:48 PM | message detail

From: th3l3fty | #025
There are a whole bunch of games that could feasibly turn out to be the third-strongest - it's not just LttP and Brawl in that discussion!

NOT

Actually there is only one game that can claim to be third strongest.

Pokemon RBY is third with a bullet.

I had Brawl and ALttP fighting for fourth.

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th3l3fty | Posted 7/1/2009 10:03:58 PM | message detail

The ability to avoid SFF against OoT doesn't automatically make RBY stronger than other games with heavier overlap!
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Meeks54 | Posted 7/1/2009 10:17:26 PM | message detail

From: th3l3fty | #027
The ability to avoid SFF against OoT doesn't automatically make RBY stronger than other games with heavier overlap!

No, the mauling RBY did to the other games it faced does though.

The fact that RBY/VIII/MGS did better on OoT than ALttP/VII and X is another hint. You know, unless you are one of those nutcases who believes MGS is top 10, instead of top 16.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 7/1/2009 10:53:51 PM | message detail

The only thing that proves is that LTTP and FFX got SFF'd beyond belief and could have been beaten by a lot of things in such a state.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 7/1/2009 11:11:20 PM | message detail

It'll be archived somewhere, if it hasn't been already.
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th3l3fty | Posted 7/2/2009 12:11:36 AM | message detail

All analyses from part 1, plus the pair in here, can now be found on their respective wiki articles.
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Denzokuken | Posted 7/2/2009 2:09:15 AM | message detail

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From: th3l3fty | Posted: 7/2/2009 2:11:36 AM | #032
All analyses from part 1, plus the pair in here, can now be found on their respective wiki articles.

Love it.
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Ultimaphazon | Posted 7/2/2009 3:14:50 PM | message detail

I agree that the FFIV pick had some logic to it. That old Mario poll made everyone expect that SMW would seriously feel the SFF hammer, making it much weaker than it would be in a neutral setting.

That didn't work, mostly for two reasons:
- Gamefaqs developed the excellent taste that SMW is just as good (or slightly better) than SMB3
- those old Mario games have such a massive fanbase, that the split didn't really matter.

While the second reason could have been expected, no one could expect the first one
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/2/2009 10:45:24 PM | message detail

Just a bump tonight.
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greatone10 | Posted 7/3/2009 5:16:36 AM | message detail

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/4/2009 12:38:58 AM | message detail

1972-1988 Final: Tetris vs Mega Man 2 vs Super Mario Brothers vs The Legend of Zelda

Tetris - 18789 [15.67%]
Mega Man 2 - 16437 [13.71%]
Super Mario Brothers - 43369 [36.18%]
The Legend of Zelda - 41277 [34.43%]
Total Votes - 119872

This was the point in the contest where things got really really fun. We had some good matches to this point yes, but most of the matches in the last three rounds ranged from good to forever memorable.

The first divisional final ranked somewhere in the middle, mostly from how weird it was. But before getting into the obvious, this match was the ultimate final nail in Mega Man 2's coffin. Both Tetris and Mega Man 2 were in a no-lose SFF situation, and Tetris still won. Hopefully this lays to rest all the insane Mega Man > Tetris stuff, in the event we ever get a 1v1 games contest.

As for Mario vs Zelda, this was an extremely odd result, and it would only get even more strange in the next round. In round 2, Mario 1 defeated Zelda 1 by 9000 votes with Ninja Gaiden and Metroid present. You wouldn't think removing these two games and adding in Mega Man 2/Tetris would hurt Mario 1 a lot, but it did.

This isn't to say Mario had a ton of trouble with Zelda 1 in this poll, because it had none -- Mario was never threatened here. It jumped out to the early lead much like the previous round, and dominated for awhile. But rather than go on to win by 9000 votes, Mario was vastly slowed down come the morning vote. Mario's lead was 2000 votes come school time. It took another 7 hours for the lead to peak at 2400 votes, and then Zelda spent the rest of the match shaving things down to 2000. The lead was never threatened per se, but this set up one of the best matches of any contest and proved Mario and his games split much worse in the face of Nintendo than Link and his games. You can argue Ninja Gaiden and Metroid can't do much of anything to Nintendo games, but Tetris and Mega Man 2 are a different story. And there's no doubt which game among Mario 1 and Zelda 1 these two hurt more.

The funny thing here is had the match been 48 hours long, Zelda 1 would have won -- one round after losing by 9000 votes. Crazy. Even crazier is what would happen a week following this.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/4/2009 1:16:46 AM | message detail

1989-1991 Final: Super Mario Brothers 3 vs Sonic the Hedgehog vs Super Mario World vs Final Fantasy 4

Super Mario Brothers 3 - 37201 [32.76%]
Sonic the Hedgehog - 16513 [14.54%]
Super Mario World - 36497 [32.14%]
Final Fantasy 4 - 23356 [20.57%]
Total Votes - 113567

Mario clearly SFFs Sonic. This is not up for debate. Also not up for debate is Final Fantasy 4's supposed chances to sneak into second place this match. To steal a line from hochi, anyone who thought Final Fantasy 4 could win here should be executed. That is final.

But past this, what an unbelievable development this match was. The 2004 stats are mostly outdated and useless, but Super Mario World and Super Mario Brothers 3 shared a common opponent in Chrono Trigger late in that contest. Based on those results, Mario 3 would score 57% on Mario World. Unless you believe in CT > Mario World SNES SFF, there was no big reason to think Mario World could reverse this trend. It didn't have a great contest in 2004, and it looked like complete crap in the first round of this contest.

Then in one 24 hour period, conventional wisdom turned around and the newer tastes of GameFAQs began to show up. Everything we knew became a lie. Mario 3 struggled with Mario World in the first couple of minutes, and then continued struggling even as it built a lead up. Mario 3 built a lead of only 400 votes overnight, and it was continually stalled and cut the whole way up. Mario 3 was in clear trouble even as its lead peaked, for obvious reasons. Not only was Mario World giving Mario 3 fits, but it was giving Mario 3 fits with two other SNES/Genesis era games in the poll. There were two games to hold Mario World back here, and only the name "Mario" holding Mario 3 back, if that makes sense.

And in the face of this, Mario World was able to peak Mario 3's lead at four hundred votes and begin a comeback attempt before we were even done the overnight vote. If Mario World could pull this off given the other games in the poll, Mario 3 was dead in the water in later rounds. The round following this was an impending Mario 1/Mario 3/Mario World/Zelda 1 match, which was essentially a flip of the current state of affairs -- 3 NES era games to hurt Mario 3 while Mario World is only hurt by its own name. Given the match going on while these revelations popped up, there was nothing at all holding Mario World from overtaking Mario 3 in later rounds.

But before even that, Mario World had a very realistic chance of beating Mario 3 right here, right now, despite having more of a reason to get leeched than Mario 3 in this very poll. Mario World began shaving votes off the lead overnight, and it took holy hell and high water from Mario 3 to hang on. The lead was shaved down to 150 come the morning vote, where Mario 3 was able to make a recovery. Compared to the fits Mario World was giving Mario 3 to this point, Mario 3 won the morning vote and DSV convincingly. It stretched the lead from 150 to 600 before the ASV, where Mario World unleashed one final push.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/4/2009 1:16:52 AM | message detail

In less than two hours, Mario World cut the lead down to just below 400 votes. It stalled at this level all the way until the evening and second night votes, where Mario 3 made another recovery and went on to win by 700. But this was a Pyrrhic contest victory if there ever was one, because Mario 3 was clearly and obviously dead in the water from here. Not to sound like a broken record here, but Mario 3 barely escaped with its life with two games leeching its opponent. There was no reason to think Mario World couldn't take down Mario 3 with two games leeching the latter.

Beyond the match itself being good, this was a match symbolizing a paradigm shift on GameFAQs. We've seen this site getting younger slowly over time for a few years, but it really jumps out at you when Mario World competes with Mario 3. It's one thing to see Symphony of the Night, Chrono Trigger, Mega Man or Sonic suffering a years-long weakening -- quite another to see the historic, beloved Mario 3 going through it. This is a game a ton of us grew up on, but it's clearly been knocked down a peg or two. If you look closely at the results of this contest, nearly all the older games seemed weaker than 2004 levels. And if we see another games contest five years from now, we'll see more evidence of a gradual youth movement. Sad but true.
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 7/4/2009 10:11:10 AM | message detail

Bumped, because this topic needs to be on the front page.

Hmm...I wonder, if we had another games contest in 5 years, who would you pick to win an identical set of divisions and get to the final along with our contest demigods? I'd take SM64 and FFX, but if you swapped the games from OoT's side a bit and changed their positions, I could see Brawl sneaking in, or maybe a Kingdom Hearts game if KH3 ever gets released.

UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/5/2009 12:35:41 AM | message detail

1992-1994 Final: Zelda: A Link to the Past vs Super Metroid vs Final Fantasy 6 vs Zelda: Link's Awakening

Zelda: A Link to the Past - 45384 [38.38%]
Super Metroid - 19507 [16.5%]
Final Fantasy 6 - 37940 [32.09%]
Zelda: Link's Awakening - 15404 [13.03%]
Total Votes - 118235

Very few matches in round 3 and beyond were bad, but this was one of them. The 1992-1994 division was a giant SNES era cluster****, culminating in.... a gigantic SNES era cluster**** and one of the worst rematches ever. Learning that Link to the Past could SFF Link's Awakening more than Super Metroid wasn't the least bit interesting, surprising or relevant.

The second place game here was also a lock to score second place once the round 1 results were in. Final Fantasy 6 looked horrible in the first two rounds, but this didn't stop it from an easy second place above two SFFd Nintendo games. In terms of a rematch, this was pretty much awful. FF6 was never in contention for first place, and it was hard to remember FF6 led LTTP for a couple hours in 2004.

Even great stretches of contest matches have a couple bad apples, and this was one of them. LTTP > FF6 was a lock for this match before the contest ever began, and a lock was what we got. This was all about LTTP setting up future success.

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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/5/2009 1:44:01 AM | message detail

This may sound dumb, but...don't say I didn't warn you guys!

It seems that Mario 3 and RE4 have been slowly falling away from people's memories. I can tell that by how well the two games do on Best Game Ever lists; and it seems to have worked out for this contest as well. I see quite a few lists that eschew Mario 3 completely in favor of Mario World, and it was only GameFAQs being largely different that made me forget. As far as the list goes, Mario World is most definetely better than 23rd now.

RE4 is even worse, given that it's only been around for four years at this point and its average position on Best Game Ever lists is falling quite quickly. Makes you wondering why we overhyped its contest performance, no? Many publications named it the Best Game Ever when it wasn't even a year old. Now look at our list; it was 14th. That was when the game wasn't even a year old, so it was obvious that it was going to take a fall. Nowadays I've seen lists where people put Gears of War, Oblivion, BioShock, Call of Duty 4, Halo 3, Super Mario Galaxy, Metal Gear Solid 4, Grand Theft Auto IV, and even Mario Kart Wii above RE4 (no list has Brawl above RE4 though). And since this is a site that doesn't care about Third-Person Shooters or Horror Survival...the fact that it's still a high midcarder in spite of all this is actually quite impressive, though it makes you wonder why some of us took it to reach the finals. It wasn't going to beat Brawl or MGS; that I could tell even before the contest began.

Speaking of which, why DID we pick RE4 to reach the finals, anyway. Which people did, anyways?

It was not cool to see Mario 3 go down like that though, and I actually own the game and it IS quite deserving of its praise (I own the GBA version though, which actually has a save feature).

BTW I just got Super Metroid on the VC and...wow, I have never seen as much freedom in a video game before (though maybe Super Mario 64 beats it out)! Well-presented story too. I was disappointed when I beat Kraid on my first try though, with two energy tanks, but it was still quite a dogfight.

LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/5/2009 4:29:10 AM | message detail

One thing I forgot to add to my post is that while Resident Evil 4 isn't making top tens as frequently nowadays, Ocarina of Time, Final Fantasy VII, Super Mario 64, and even GoldenEye are still making top tens with some level of consistency. Even Doom and Street Fighter II are quite consistent with their top ten appearances, though there are the occasional hiccups where they are in the 50s range or so (probably even worse on GameFAQs).

Sorry for mentioning all this, but since I actually found some relevance to the contest, I decided to post it. Makes me if sometime in the far future, Ocarina of Time would lose to Call of Duty 4 (which I actually wouldn't mind one bit; who does?).

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/1/2009 7:37:33 PM | message detail

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Count me in.
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Tagged. The show must go...I mean, the PCA must go on!

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Whoo, MGS4!
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L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 7/1/2009 8:23:44 PM | message detail

1. Fallout 3
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It's just nice that the Smash games felt the SFF hammer at the end.

Jokeman18 | Posted 7/1/2009 8:36:13 PM | message detail

Tag...

Ulti i think your on pace to finish in this thread eh? I don't want to have to do a triple tag ;)

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It'll be archived somewhere, if it hasn't been already.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/2/2009 10:45:24 PM | message detail

Just a bump tonight.
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greatone10 | Posted 7/5/2009 5:37:40 AM | message detail

From: LinkMarioSamus | Posted: 7/5/2009 12:44:01 AM | #049
Speaking of which, why DID we pick RE4 to reach the finals, anyway. Which people did, anyways?

As someone who took RE4 to take second place, I'll explain. It had a path that looked really good provided a couple things lined up. The Brawl/TP/MGS4/RE4 match where it got eliminated could have just as easily taken out Brawl had TP been a better leech, and RE4 had been a little bit stronger. From there, it just needed to get through FFX and MGS4. Of course, it just turned out that FFX aged a little bit better than I thought it would and MGS4 is stronger than being a PS3 exclusive would make you think.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/5/2009 6:39:51 AM | message detail

Well, since I had San Andreas (uhm...) in round 4 I obviously had only one Nintendo game in that quarterfinals match. Had I picked Twilight Princess to get there I probably would've indeed have RE4 > MGS4, and then RE4 would plow through two MGS games.

paraboxx | Posted 7/5/2009 2:29:58 PM | message detail

To steal a line from hochi, anyone who thought Final Fantasy 4 could win here should be executed. That is final.

1) I disagree with this. Between FF4's possible rise and SMW's questionable strength, I'd have thought going in FF4 had a good shot. Might have even put it on my bracket.

2) Of course, I wasn't even here for this contest, so. I don't have a whole hell of a lot of room to talk on this point, and I realize that.

...but at least I've never done this:

3) Did you just agree with hochi? wtf?

UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/5/2009 4:05:59 PM | message detail

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1995-1997 Final: Final Fantasy 7 vs Goldeneye vs Super Mario 64 vs Chrono Trigger

Final Fantasy 7 - 55076 [41.25%]
Goldeneye - 19486 [14.59%]
Super Mario 64 - 30149 [22.58%]
Chrono Trigger - 28812 [21.58%]
Total Votes - 133523

This match was more or less a continuation of the Mario 64/CT round 2 match, but with different games stealing votes. Chrono Trigger needed a complete miracle to pull this off, in the form of not getting hammered by Final Fantasy 7 while Goldeneye leeched Mario 64 half to death -- it also needed weird SFF from Yoshi's Island's votes, to the tune of CT getting like 80% of the votes from SNES SFF in round 2 while Mario 64 got next to nothing.... from a fellow Mario game. Yeah.

The funny thing here is Chrono Trigger almost did manage to pull this thing off. Mario 64 jumped out to a 140 vote lead in 25 minutes, but erased the entire thing 20 minutes later. It then built up a 600 vote lead overnight, with Mario 64 doing little stall-wise. For six hours, everything Chrono Trigger needed fell right into place. It wasn't getting 40% on FF7 like it did in 2004, but it was only a couple of percentage points behind in spite of Final Fantasy 7 dominating this match. FF7 ended up with 41% in a poll with two top ten (and possibly top five) games and a game in the 15-20 range in Goldeneye. All contest long, FF7 and Ocarina were a gigantic cut above everyone else, to the point of laughable results. If we ever get another games contest, I think most people would support a Tournament of Champions style where FF7 and Ocarina are removed from the main bracket and other games are given an opportunity to be paper champions.

Chrono Trigger was also enjoying a clear case of Goldeneye leeching Mario 64 a lot, as evidenced by Mario being totally unable to stall CT on its way to building a 600 vote lead. But just like round 2, everything fell apart when the morning vote showed up. The 600 vote lead became 100 in just a couple of hours, and it took one hell of an effort from Chrono Trigger during the DSV (as well as a lot of N64 leeching) to prevent Mario 64 from opening a can all over the poll.

Chrono hung tough for a damn long time, even using the second half of the DSV to build its lead back to 300 votes. Right about here is where CT fans let hope turn into expectation, and right about here is where CT predictably fell apart. Chrono Trigger's ASV failures are well documented, and this match was no different. That 300 vote lead it worked so hard to get turned into 0 in all of 30 minutes, and we all know what happened from here. Mario dominated the ASV, then hung on tight in the evening to secure a 1337 vote win. Nice final number.

This wasn't the horribly embarrassing ASV collapse that led to a 3200 vote loss in the previous round, but it was an ASV collapse nonetheless. Everything Chrono Trigger needed to see line up happened, and it still was not enough to win. It held up on an FF7 that hadn't lost a beat since 2004, it saw Goldeneye put a huge log on Mario's path -- enough to make a nearly 2000 vote difference from the last match -- and yet it still predictably and sadly fell apart once kids came home from school. For whatever reason, Chrono Trigger has turned the ASV collapse into an art form. Can you imagine how a 1v1 match between Magus and Master Chief would go?

This match set up a very interesting FF7/LTTP/Mario 64 trio. As good as LTTP was to this point in winning three matches, it seemed just a tad bit off compared to how well Mario was doing this contest. And because of two game contests featuring generational gaps, we'd never seen a match between 2D Zelda versus 3D Mario with both games nearly even in strength. FF7 was the obvious first place there, but LTTP vs Mario 64 was shaping up to be a very good match. This was especially true given the insane Mario 3/Mario World/Zelda 1 match that would go down one day prior.

UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/5/2009 4:07:17 PM | message detail

I picked RE4 to make the final because I had MGS upsetting Final Fantasy X and then MGS4/MGS/RE4 all in the same match. And I still say this could have happened had Pokemon not knocked MGS off. That would have been a good match to see.
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xp1337 | Posted 7/5/2009 6:38:26 PM | message detail

SM64/CT Part II may have been my favorite match of the contest because of the Stats Topic. Either that or SMB/Zelda 1.

Never give up hope!

Crono/Vincent comparisons were never better than in that match.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 7/5/2009 6:40:22 PM | message detail

I love how this Chrono/Mario feud never seems to die. We thought it was diminishing when Mario whupped Crono a few years ago, but even the games battle in epic matches. I would love to see SMB3 against Chrono Trigger next contest.
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xp1337 | Posted 7/5/2009 6:44:56 PM | message detail

Er, I meant SMB3/Zelda 1 before, obviously. Not SMB.

And yeah, Mario/Crono continually finds ways to come up with great matches even when Mario seems so far beyond Crono's level at this point.
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 7/5/2009 7:05:00 PM | message detail

Yeah, the rivalry NEVER gets old. Sure, Crono is no longer at Mario's level, but last year we saw him win thanks to bracket placement. Who say that we can't get one of the slugfests we all love if there's just the right mix of SFF? Hey, it could happen someday.

LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/6/2009 7:42:09 AM | message detail

Imagine Chrono Trigger blowing the ASV up to a Smash game! That would be even worse than Resident Evil 4 losing to Twilight Princess!

And I started playing through TP again. So far I have only gotten past the first goat herding exercise, but at this point in Ocarina I'd be in the Great Deku Tree. Yuck. Also, the goat herding reminded me of Age of Empires. Even more yuck.

And yeah, earlier in this poll I said I wouldn't mind if somebody said that Ocarina was worse than Call of Duty 4, but I would mind if somebody said that Ocarina was worse than Melee or Brawl. But...do you guys think that Call of Duty 4 is overrated? I can definetely see it becoming outplayed in a few years time.

Oh, and I did indeed vote for Chrono Trigger in that match! I didn't care about the order one bit (all games around the same level of quality, aka TOP NOTCH!!!), but I personally wanted Chrono Trigger and Mario 64 to advance. Funny that that turned out to be a nailbiting 2nd place match.

L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 7/6/2009 11:52:55 AM | message detail

I wouldn't say Call of Duty 4 is overrated, but more that GameFAQs is finally learning to accept FPS's not named "Goldeneye" or "Halo." Its strength is its presentation, with some good twists here and there, plus a well-constructed multiplayer that gives incentive to play online without totally gimping you. Plus the gameplay is solid. Overall a game worthy of its praise, and there's a good reason it sold amazingly well. Hell, Activision is confident enough to nix the Call of Duty name and simply call the sequel "Modern Warfare 2."
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/6/2009 6:07:17 PM | message detail

1998-2000 Final: Metal Gear Solid vs Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow vs Zelda: Ocarina of Time vs Final Fantasy 8

Metal Gear Solid - 27026 [20.94%]
Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow - 29209 [22.63%]
Zelda: Ocarina of Time - 49944 [38.7%]
Final Fantasy 8 - 22867 [17.72%]
Total Votes - 129046

Metal Gear Solid had an "Upset Me!" sign painted on it all contest, and it finally happened in the divisional round. GSC gave it fits in round one, RBY only failed to beat it because of GSC's presence in round two, and RBY was finally able to break through in round 3. It got a huge assist from Final Fantasy 8, but you take wins however you can in this format. It's obviously impressive how RBY managed to fend off the standard Nintendo SFF crushing Zelda typically lays down, but Final Fantasy 8 was obviosuly leeching Metal Gear Solid along the way. It's impossible to assume otherwise, given the 2004 FF7 > MGS result.

Though the final margin was 2200 votes, the match really wasn't that close. One would think MGS could do well overnight at least, but Pokemon came out on fire. It built up a lead of nearly 400 overnight, and it took MGS until 5 a.m. to tie it up. By then, the match was clearly over. Even with Ocarina in the poll, Pokemon's awesome day vote paired with MGS's horrible day vote and FF8's leeching made the final result quite clear; ergo, a 2200 vote win for Pokemon.

This result didn't mean MGS was a weak game per se. It just meant Pokemon RBY was very, very strong and that we're continuing to see a very clear overlap between MGS and Final Fantasy. If ever see a 1v1 contest and RBY were given good bracket placement, it has the potential to absolutely crush some already very high expectations.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 7/6/2009 7:14:57 PM | message detail

Worst result of the contest
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KamikazePotato | Posted 7/6/2009 7:15:52 PM | message detail

That's a funny way to spell second-best after ToS.

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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 7/6/2009 7:16:53 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #063
Worst result of the contest

Yeah, two good games hosed by bracket placement, and it pretty much gave FFX a bye to the finals too. Not that that's bad, but it resulted in a stream of matches about which we knew the results from a mile away.

LeonhartFour | Posted 7/6/2009 7:23:02 PM | message detail

That's a funny way to spell second-best after ToS.

Good thing that's not what I was trying to spell!
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Meeks54 | Posted 7/6/2009 10:48:27 PM | message detail

It was a great result, as the two best games won, and the two games not as good lost.
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th3l3fty | Posted 7/6/2009 11:14:28 PM | message detail

Nah, best result would've involved MGS beating OoT.
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L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 7/7/2009 6:49:22 AM | message detail

Best result would've been Pokemon getting 100% of the vote and the other three games not being in the bracket in the first place.
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Meeks54 | Posted 7/7/2009 7:07:53 AM | message detail

From: L33t_Rappa_Sam | #070
Best result would've been Pokemon getting 100% of the vote and the other three games not being in the bracket in the first place.

Are you actually claiming OoT and MGS are not top 128 games of all time?
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Some_Character | Posted 7/7/2009 7:26:51 AM | message detail

Are you actually claiming OoT and MGS are not top 128 games of all time?

MGS perhaps. OoT isn't even close.
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Game_Of_Death | Posted 7/7/2009 8:32:19 AM | message detail

Yes, I agree. OoT is nowhere close to not being on the top 128.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/7/2009 9:28:38 AM | message detail

I wouldn't even mind Pokemon beating Ocarina of Time anymore. Not a bad result at all, except for MGS leaving so early. But Pokemon beating MGS is WAY, WAY better than FF8 beating MGS; that's for sure. I'd vote for Silent Hill over FF8 anyways, let alone StarCraft or Soul Calibur.

BTW this is pointless, but I did some silly research and the consensus from some recent top 50/100 lists for the bottom half of the bracket should go like this:

1998-2000: Ocarina of Time > Metal Gear Solid (almost overwhelming consensus)
2001-2003: Halo > Final Fantasy X (IGN Readers' Choice was the only one that wanted SSBM to advance out of its division)
2004-2006: Half-Life 2 > Resident Evil 4 (IGN Readers' Choice wanted MGS3 to win the division)
2007-2009: Super Mario Galaxy > Call of Duty 4 (IGN Readers' Choice was the only one that wanted SSBB to win the division)

1998-2003: Ocarina of Time > Metal Gear Solid
2004-2009: Half-Life 2 > Super Mario Galaxy
1998-2009: Ocarina of Time > Metal Gear Solid

Yep, GameFAQs isn't nearly as big of a fan of shooting type games as everybody else is. According to these same lists, Doom and Super Mario Kart should've gotten to the quarterfinals. How different this site is. How different this site is. The consensus for the final match was still Ocarina > FF7 though; just that Super Mario World and MGS should've been in the finals.

Yeah, sorry for stuff that people don't like. I just enjoy comparing.

Agree or Disagree: The only 3d Square title that is REALLY, REALLY, REALLY good is FF7, and everything else is overrated.

FinalFantasyTactics | Posted 7/7/2009 11:27:40 AM | message detail

How upset were you guys when Ocarina won the contest?
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Game_Of_Death | Posted 7/7/2009 11:51:05 AM | message detail

Well, I personally am way behind in consoles and as such only have a N64, PS1, PS2, and GC. So, I have played both Final Fantasy VII and Ocarina of Time. I think Ocarina of Time is deserving of its praise. Final Fantasy VII, I believe, is a tad overrated. Don't get me wrong, it's still a great game. Just, not the best.
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Kamekguy | Posted 7/7/2009 12:00:14 PM | message detail

Meh, moderately upset. I'm generally just not a fan of the Zelda series - the explorative element only worked in the original game for me, where everything just seemed like one, gigantic open world. Now it feels like that world is broken up into linear segments, and that sense of mystery just vanished for me. Ocarina of Time is when it started getting exceptionally bad, and despite numerous attempts, I've yet to be able to sit down and complete it (got halfway through the Water Temple, though - fun place, should've probably actually tried to get to Dark Link). It's really just a 7/10 game for me, though I can see why it's so beloved...

...then again my opinion means squat, so meh. Wish something else gathered momentum - Super Mario 64 looked good for a long while - and would've been able to at least challenge OoT (and make the FFVII/OoT bonus match more hilarious), but it's an acceptable result, I guess.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 7/7/2009 12:04:27 PM | message detail

and would've been able to at least challenge OoT

Jesus christ no. OoT got 76% against SM64 last time they went head to head, and would have absolutely crushed it if SM64 made it to the finals.
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Kamekguy | Posted 7/7/2009 12:09:05 PM | message detail

My apologies, I didn't know that the 'this game is upsetting things let's vote for it lulz' votes were affected by SFF crushing. Hell, Mario's fantastic crushing of NiGHTS coupled by expected dominant SFF by OoT hiding any semblances of strength it has was the reason I had it upsetting Chrono Trigger in Round 3 (though, in retrospect, that might've been more obvious than I realized). Just saying it would've leeched more votes off of OoT than Link to the Past...

...maybe.
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Game_Of_Death | Posted 7/7/2009 12:14:43 PM | message detail

It kind of stinks that FFVII keeps beating more deserving titles such as Super Mario 64, Chrono Trigger, and even Final Fantasy 6 from its own series. I might even like Goldeneye 007 better, because its multiplayer brought hours upon hours of fun. Final Fantasy VII doesn't have multiplayer. Don't tell me that RPG's can't have multiplayer as you've obviously never played Secret of Mana.
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L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 7/7/2009 1:33:12 PM | message detail

From: FinalFantasyTactics | #076
How upset were you guys when Ocarina won the contest?

Not at all. In fact, I found it hilarious when OoT beat FF7 and all the fanboys here cried like babies. I think both are overrated (as is that entire generation actually, easily my least-favorite post-Atari gen), but OoT was a smack in the face to Board 8, which is why I loved watching it crush FF7 like a gnat. <3 Nintendo domination.
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Some_Character | Posted 7/7/2009 1:36:25 PM | message detail

How upset were you guys when Ocarina won the contest?

In a personal sense, not upset at all. But after 2004, most of us thought that FF VII was the stronger game, and that LttP being in the same poll would guarantee an FF VII win. I also didn't count on revenge voters, as Link won the last character battle, so it really was peculiar...
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XxSoulxX | Posted 7/7/2009 1:36:51 PM | message detail

Not at all. In fact, I found it hilarious when OoT beat FF7 and all the fanboys here cried like babies. I think both are overrated (as is that entire generation actually, easily my least-favorite post-Atari gen), but OoT was a smack in the face to Board 8, which is why I loved watching it crush FF7 like a gnat. <3 Nintendo domination.

The vast majority of Board 8 loves Nintendo much more then Square. You must mean the noobs that came here solely just to complain, and then left.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 7/7/2009 2:43:34 PM | message detail

Nah, that's just how Wylvane rolls.
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KommunistKoala | Posted 7/7/2009 2:44:45 PM | message detail

From: LinkMarioSamus | #075
Yeah, sorry for stuff that people don't like. I just enjoy comparing.

THEN DO IT IN YOUR OWN TOPIC NO ONE HERE CARES
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L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 7/7/2009 4:37:48 PM | message detail

There was certainly a lot of complaining in the Stats topic at the time. People say Board 8's full of Nintendo fanboys, but if anything, there's more FF/MGS fans on this board than for Nintendo.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 7/7/2009 5:08:13 PM | message detail

Nah, we're just more outspoken than they are.
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L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 7/7/2009 8:06:21 PM | message detail

So there's this invisible group of Nintendo fanboys that never post on this board yet they're also considered Board 8 members.

I wish they'd post more, because I'd much rather talk to them than you guys.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 7/7/2009 8:32:38 PM | message detail

Likewise.
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Meeks54 | Posted 7/7/2009 8:43:11 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #088
Nah, we're just more outspoken than they are.

You know what they say about the loudest people and their intelligence?

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LeonhartFour | Posted 7/7/2009 8:48:32 PM | message detail

There's a difference between loud and outspoken.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 7/7/2009 8:48:47 PM | message detail

Oh, and you have no room to talk on either front.
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KommunistKoala | Posted 7/7/2009 8:56:11 PM | message detail

From: Meeks54 | #091
You know what they say about the loudest people and their intelligence?

irony
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KamikazePotato | Posted 7/7/2009 9:01:36 PM | message detail

Reading your posts is like dipping my brain in a septic tank. Shut up.

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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 7/7/2009 9:04:38 PM | message detail

From: Meeks54 | #095
Ironic that you, the person who is tops/lowest in both categories, would talk about them.

Still, it is a fact this board would be MUCH better if it was full of Nintendo fanboys, than you useless waste of space humans that are the Snake legion.

...Which is funny, because this is the most active Pro-Nintendo board out there. Seriously. If you take a look at the whole set of GFAQS boards, we're the biggest set of Ninty fanboys in the whole internet. :P

UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/8/2009 12:23:52 AM | message detail

From: Meeks54 | Posted: 7/7/2009 10:43:11 PM | #091
You know what they say about the loudest people and their intelligence?

So you're the dumbest guy here?
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So you're the dumbest guy here?

Ulti, that is an exceedingly strong claim to make.
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But not without merit.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/8/2009 1:02:55 AM | message detail

Call it cliche, but the right game won the contest. And personally I never found Ocarina to be a borefest like some of you do; definetely in my top ten.

If there's one thing I'm upset about, it's about all those shooters bombing, and GameFAQs showing how little they care about next-gen gaming. I mean, Brawl is a poor man's Halo 3 with Nintendo characters (and no, I don't even own an Xbox 360 and haven't seen much gameplay of Halo 3 or Gears...yet). MGS4 winning the quarterfinal match was cool though (personally I was rooting for RE4 there, but I don't mind MGS4 beating RE4, just that I mind Brawl and Twilight Princess beating both of them). Brawl isn't even the best multiplayer game on it's own console (and yeah that's a personal opinion too)!

Anyways, where's Ulti's next analysis?

KommunistKoala | Posted 7/8/2009 1:08:25 AM | message detail

From: LinkMarioSamus | #101
Brawl is a poor man's Halo 3 with Nintendo characters

what the hell does this even mean
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LeonhartFour | Posted 7/8/2009 1:09:24 AM | message detail

I think he's trying to say that it's a failure of a FPS party game.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/8/2009 1:21:08 AM | message detail

From: LinkMarioSamus | Posted: 7/8/2009 3:02:55 AM | #101
Anyways, where's Ulti's next analysis?

I've had a really long day, if you couldn't tell by the first post in my contest match today. It might be another day or two before I can write more, I'm just beat.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/8/2009 3:29:29 AM | message detail

At the very least, the Stage Builder pales in comparison to the Forge. Though I don't know much about the Forge, but Brawl's equivalent isn't very good. Stage Builder = wannabe Forge

In terms of ability to create user-created content, LittleBigPlanet > Halo 3 > Brawl, easily.

Then Halo 3 has better singleplayer (and you can play with up to four players in the main quest, and online co-op). Main quest aint perfect (is it ever considering the series?), but Brawl's is just plain uninspired.

As far as multiplayer goes, FPS > RTS > Fighting.

You can take in-game screenshots in both games.

A winner is Halo 3.

L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 7/8/2009 6:19:19 AM | message detail

From: LinkMarioSamus | #105
At the very least, the Stage Builder pales in comparison to the Forge. Though I don't know much about the Forge, but Brawl's equivalent isn't very good. Stage Builder = wannabe Forge

In terms of ability to create user-created content, LittleBigPlanet > Halo 3 > Brawl, easily.

Then Halo 3 has better singleplayer (and you can play with up to four players in the main quest, and online co-op). Main quest aint perfect (is it ever considering the series?), but Brawl's is just plain uninspired.

As far as multiplayer goes, FPS > RTS > Fighting.

You can take in-game screenshots in both games.

A winner is Halo 3.

OK, now I'm really starting to enjoy your posts. I never thought I'd see someone claim that Halo 3 and Brawl were the same games with different characters. I hope you compare some more games like that.

And I can't think of any huge Nintendo fanboys here besides Shine and GMUN. I just know I saw more whining than cheering when OoT was beating FF7, and before that lots of people eagerly rooting for FF7 to repeat, and then lots of *****ing about how Zelda always wins.
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Game_Of_Death | Posted 7/8/2009 9:06:40 AM | message detail

...which is funny, because if you look at 2004, all the Zelda games were taken down in rounds 3 and 4, almost like dominoes. After StarCraft beat Wind Waker, the demise of Zelda had come.
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L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 7/8/2009 1:56:12 PM | message detail

The best part was that everyone joked about the possibility of an all-Zelda final four when not even one of them made it to that far. I'm still surprised that we didn't get a single Zelda game in the semifinals.

At least we got LttP and OoT in the finals this year.
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Game_Of_Death | Posted 7/8/2009 8:25:04 PM | message detail

It seems pretty strange that people thought a Zelda Final 4 was possible. No matter how huge it seemed it round 1, LoZ > SMB3 was not happening. Sure, LttP > CT and OoT > FFVII were possible, but Wind Waker > SSBM, FFX, or any other games in the cluster**** of a division it was in just seemed absurd. Losing to StarCraft was a testament to the weakness of Wind Waker in comparison to the other Zelda games.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 7/8/2009 8:30:30 PM | message detail

If you were here in 2004, then you understood just how big the "Man, Zelda just never loses" mentality here was.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/8/2009 10:42:07 PM | message detail

More tomorrow.
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FinalFantasyTactics | Posted 7/9/2009 8:00:46 PM | message detail

You forgot Diablo's percentage.
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That I did.

2001-2003 Final: Final Fantasy X vs Kingdom Hearts vs Super Smash Bros. Melee vs Diablo 2: Lord of Destruction

Final Fantasy X - 34662 [27.58%]
Kingdom Hearts - 28251 [22.48%]
Super Smash Bros. Melee - 42161 [33.55%]
Diablo 2: Lord of Destruction - 20586 [16.38%]
Total Votes - 125660

If Melee were the first option in the poll, we would have had a near perfect staircase, thus the most boring 4-way match possible. But at the very least, this was fun for a few minutes... if you care about useless battles for third place. Diablo 2 fought with Kingdom Hearts for a bit, but Kingdom Hearts rebounded. Yay.

From there, Kingdom Hearts was unable to make a push to threaten for second place because of the PS2 split with FFX. It got close to FFX in round 2 because of the PS2 split going four ways, but this was only two. This split also allowed Melee to dominate for first place, giving us a round three staircase. Final Fantasy X would eventually get revenge once Ocarina entered the mix, which made up for everyone sitting through this horribly boring match.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/11/2009 1:48:46 AM | message detail

2004-2006 Final: Metal Gear Solid 3 vs The Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion vs Zelda: Twilight Princess vs Resident Evil 4

Metal Gear Solid 3 - 30169 [23.46%]
The Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion - 26463 [20.58%]
Zelda: Twilight Princess - 41460 [32.24%]
Resident Evil 4 - 30518 [23.73%]
Total Votes - 128610

After Resident Evil 4 struggled and outlasted Kingdom Hearts 2 twice, this was supposed to be an easy match even with how close it got to Twilight Princess the previous round. Twilight Princess was a lock for first, RE4 a lock for second, and MGS3/Oblivion while strong weren't supposed to get close.

But a funny thing happened on the way to RE4's victory parade. Metal Gear Solid 3 turned out to be a total beast of a game, and it would come damn close to pulling off the upset here. First and foremost, Twilight Princess dominated this poll compared to its round 2 efforts. Neither RE4 nor MGS3 took a lead on it like RE4 did the previous round, which gives some credibility to the Kingdom Hearts overlapping with Zelda theory.

Now as for Resident Evil 4, it was clear MGS3 was going to give it trouble within the first five minutes. RE4 had bracket votes and only had a lead of 20 early, and sure enough it only took 45 minutes for MGS3 to begin building a lead. This was more or less the final blow to any hopes of RE4 making the final, but it had much more pressing matters at the moment. It was a painstaking process, but MGS3 overnight built up a 150 vote lead. RE4 cut it in half rather quickly, but MGS3 was able to recover and then hammer out some solid updates. Before long, the match seemed over. The lead reached 650 votes by morning, which was a death sentence to RE4 given how bad Resident Evil's day vote normally is. Metal Gear Solid's day vote isn't any better, but given how RE4 is a quasi-Nintendo title and a quasi-PS2 title with a strong Nintendo/PS2 presence in the poll, it had appeared RE4's luck had finally run out.

However, every contest has one entry whose every match is cardiac, and that entrant for this contest was Resident Evil 4. After somehow stalling MGS3's advance during the morning vote, it began shaving away at the lead during the DSV. And when I say shaving, I mean literally. This was one of the slowest freaking comeback attempts we've ever had to watch. RE4 began stalling a 650 vote lead at around 8:30 in the morning. Come the ASV, the lead was 200, but MGS3 came out and won the early parts of the ASV and pushed it back to 250. But yet again when the match seemed over, RE4 pushed back and started shaving some more. RE4 "won" the ASV, but it took three hours to take the lead starting from down 250 votes. This wasn't earth-shattering by any means, but a lead is a lead and RE4 took it around 6. From here, RE4 began its long, looooooooooong effort to sllllllooooooowwwwwwlllllllllyyyyyy build up a lead of its own, which was actually really bad news given MGS's history of 11th hour cheating.

This time however there would be no "random" MGS spikes near the end to save the day. RE4's match to the win remained constant all the way until the end of the match, giving it its third straight win by less than 1000 votes. This wasn't good for those of us that had it in the final, but it was good if you liked close matches. For the third straight round, RE4 pulled a day vote rabbit out of its ass to win a match it had no business winning. This could have created a bandwagon effort, but this was impossible given the competition next round. A Zelda, Brawl and MGS4? Not even RE4 could pull that one off, but it ended up having a damn interesting run. Not that this match itself was entertaining (taking 13 hours to swing 1000 votes rarely is), but watching RE4's antics was quite the treat, even if it was destined to end next round.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/11/2009 1:59:20 AM | message detail

2007-2009 Final: Super Smash Bros. Brawl vs Call of Duty 4 vs Metal Gear Solid 4 vs Fallout 3

Super Smash Bros. Brawl - 44509 [36.68%]
Call of Duty 4 - 19998 [16.48%]
Metal Gear Solid 4 - 32262 [26.59%]
Fallout 3 - 24583 [20.26%]
Total Votes - 121352

For the third straight round, the final match of the round was a staircase blowout that barely needs mentioning. What makes this round different from the previous two however was this poll:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3365

And this poll:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3364

And THIS poll:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3363

In GOTY, MGS4 gave Brawl fits for three days straight. In the contest that mattered, Brawl absolutely curbstomped MGS4 and ended the match within 5 seconds. If there was any doubt as to Brawl's legitimacy, it ended during this match. Turning a series of 50-50 polls into 12000 vote blowouts is no joke, which made the next round all the more funny. That's about all there is to note in this poll, since Fallout 3 and Call of Duty 4 were never going to be players in it.

Thanks to a round ending on another boring match, I once again get to enjoy a short writeup with Stars and Turds!

Star of the Round:
-Super Smash Bros. Brawl, for the second round in a row.

Turd of the Round:
-The entire FFX/KH/SSBM/D2 match. In a round full of pretty good matches, this was just horrible to watch.

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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/11/2009 7:45:46 AM | message detail

Fallout 3 > Metal Gear Solid 4 > Call of Duty 4 > Brawl

Geez, people. Get with the program here.

I still like how three games went out in round 3 all due to the stupid freaking ASV. I would've actually been okay with MGS3 beating RE4 (though I would've gotten 0 points for the match if it happened, but still).

Of course, like I said, RE4 simply isn't aging well, at least according to most Best Game Ever lists. While FF7, OoT, SM64, and even stuff like GE, Doom, and SFII can still end up high on lists with some sort of consistency, RE4 has gone down in just four years. Seems like an adrenaline rush can only last somebody for *so* long, unless it's a Diablo game. Most people say that Super Mario Galaxy is better, so RE4 losing to Twilight Princess and Brawl was very much expected.

I still find it ironic that Mario Galaxy would probably lose to StarCraft, considering that most critics consider SMG to be the better game and that GameFAQs is a site that generally cares about Mario games MUCH more than old PC stuff (especially strategy games).

I also find it funny that StarCraft was the only strategy game that didn't leave in round 1. Even the Final Fantasy name couldn't save a strategy game from leaving the first round.

Meeks54 | Posted 7/11/2009 8:38:38 AM | message detail

From: LinkMarioSamus | #118
Fallout 3 > Metal Gear Solid 4 > Call of Duty 4 > Brawl

Geez, people. Get with the program here.

I still like how three games went out in round 3 all due to the stupid freaking ASV. I would've actually been okay with MGS3 beating RE4 (though I would've gotten 0 points for the match if it happened, but still).

Of course, like I said, RE4 simply isn't aging well, at least according to most Best Game Ever lists. While FF7, OoT, SM64, and even stuff like GE, Doom, and SFII can still end up high on lists with some sort of consistency, RE4 has gone down in just four years. Seems like an adrenaline rush can only last somebody for *so* long, unless it's a Diablo game. Most people say that Super Mario Galaxy is better, so RE4 losing to Twilight Princess and Brawl was very much expected.

I still find it ironic that Mario Galaxy would probably lose to StarCraft, considering that most critics consider SMG to be the better game and that GameFAQs is a site that generally cares about Mario games MUCH more than old PC stuff (especially strategy games).

I also find it funny that StarCraft was the only strategy game that didn't leave in round 1. Even the Final Fantasy name couldn't save a strategy game from leaving the first round.

Wait, what? You are actually claiming MGS 4 is better than Brawl? How about YOU get with the program here.

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Comparing Brawl to Fallout 3 is like comparing a bottle of water to a cell phone.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 7/11/2009 3:23:39 PM | message detail

Neither RE4 nor MGS3 took a lead on it like RE4 did the previous round, which gives some credibility to the Kingdom Hearts overlapping with Zelda theory.

...Then why did KHII do almost exactly the same on RE4 both times? I've never understood this notion because it's self-contradicting. The overlap was RE4 and MGS3, not TP and KHII.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/11/2009 8:31:35 PM | message detail

Because Zelda fans and Kingdom Hearts fans are both teenybopper AOL users.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 7/11/2009 8:32:04 PM | message detail

Ha, KHII fans wouldn't deign to use AOL!
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 7/11/2009 8:34:33 PM | message detail

No, Leon, they just don't know how to use it! :P

UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/11/2009 9:10:25 PM | message detail

On a total side note, Activision and Neversoft are now tied for my least favorite gaming company ever. If they each collectively had half a brain, the end result would be half a brain.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/11/2009 10:21:46 PM | message detail

Lol Guitar Hero, I guess?

igordebraga | Posted 7/11/2009 10:33:17 PM | message detail

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From: Meeks54 | Posted: 7/11/2009 7:33:11 AM | #117
Oh good, we are about to come to the most illegitamite (sp) match of the contest, with blatant cheating and a useless Admin who did nothing.

No kidding. I'm still mad about that match, and I got full points for the damn thing.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/12/2009 12:23:20 AM | message detail

So, Mario 3 behaves like 2002/2003 Mario, huh?

UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/12/2009 10:53:49 AM | message detail

Pretty much.
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Anagram | Posted 7/12/2009 5:42:25 PM | message detail

XD at Meeks being modded for that.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/12/2009 5:50:07 PM | message detail

"Useless admin" is quite moddable.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/12/2009 6:28:53 PM | message detail

Tournament Quarterfinal: Super Mario Brothers vs The Legend of Zelda vs Super Mario Brothers 3 vs Super Mario World

Super Mario Brothers - 12922 [11.07%]
The Legend of Zelda - 33816 [28.97%]
Super Mario Brothers 3 - 33855 [29%]
Super Mario World - 36149 [30.96%]
Total Votes - 116742

It took until the fourth round, but we finally got to watch some matches that weren't inter-generational. Generation divisions are decent enough, but a big mix of games can be exciting as well. Not that 3 Marios and a Zelda is the greatest concept, but this made for arguably the most exciting match of the contest.

First, the obvious. Mario World took advantage of a 3 NES vs 1 SNES split and turned the tables on Mario 3's performance of the previous round -- where Mario 3 slipped by Mario World with the help of 3 SNES era games splitting. Mario 3 was in the match for a couple hours, but Mario World and the 3 NES split was too powerful for Mario 3 to overcome. Mario World would eventually win fairly easily, by a final margin of 2200 votes. Super Mario Brothers, despite coming in last place, didn't do that badly given it was clearly eating the ass end of SFF from three different games. One could even argue Mario 1 being in the poll cost Mario 3 first place.

The true match however was the unbelievably epic and simultaneously weird match between Mario 3 and Zelda 1. Remember, in the previous two rounds Mario 1 took out Zelda 1 fairly easily. Now thanks to the perfect storm of SFF split and circumstance, Zelda 1 was able to blow right by Mario 1 and take its crack at the vastly stronger Mario 3.

But early on, this match had no indication whatsoever that it would be the best match of the contest and a down to the wire affair. This match was all about Mario 3 vs Mario World for a few hours, to the tune of Zelda 1 stuck back in third place by 1000 votes within two and a half hours. Mario 3's lead increase slowed down overnight when it was clear it couldn't beat Mario World, but it was still never threatened by Zelda 1 at all. It just slowed down and took until the morning vote to build a 1400 vote lead. No sweat, right?

Well from there, Zelda 1 stalled. And stalled. And stalled. And then it stalled some more. It stalled the match at that 1400 vote margin all the way until the ASV, but even then there was no indication at all of having a close match. We were just seeing another weirdly powerful Zelda 1 result, to the tune of keeping the match even for something like eight hours.

Then the ASV hit with full force, and all holy hell broke loose. Zelda started cutting into Mario 3 pretty heavily, and before long each of Mario 3's stalls seemed like a divine prank to give us the coolest match possible. Amidst a ton of 30-50 vote gains, Mario 3 would stall now and then. But even with Zelda cutting into Mario 3 like crazy for a little while, it was starting from down 1400 votes. That is a long way back in an SFF match, hence all the strange updates from all four games all through the poll.

UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/12/2009 6:29:07 PM | message detail

There was however a trend during the ASV, which was Zelda 1 kicking Mario 3's ass. It kept up the pace of 30-50 vote cuts all the way through the ASV, and all of Mario's stalls seemed a desperate attempt to tread water before the inevitable. It's rare we can call a 1400 vote comeback inevitable, but the pace Zelda 1 was on during this match's ASV was unheard of. Zelda's gains slowed down as the ASV wore down and the evening vote began, but the overall trend remained the same: Zelda 1 was coming fast.

The lead was cot all the way down to 200 by 9 p.m. Given Zelda's pace, it seemed as if it could take the lead with plenty of time to spare. But much like the previous round, Mario 3 began holding serve during the second night vote, giving us one of the most memorable down to the wire finishes of all time.

Though Zelda's gains were drastically slowed, it was still able to overall win updates and it got the lead down below 100 with over 90 minutes left in the poll. With one hour to go, it was down to 50 votes. One update later, 33. Two updates after that, 15. Zelda's win was all but guaranteed at this point, and come 11:30 it finally took the lead. All it had to do from here was continue kicking Mario's ass, much like it had been doing for 9 hours prior.

Zelda however made one crucial miscalculation here, which is that it forgot it was in a down to the wire poll against Mario. When you're in a close match against one of the most notorious clutches in the history of contests, you choke Mario out when you have the chance. Zelda did not. In the update following the lead change, Zelda only increased 4 votes for an overall lead of 13. Mario began coming back after that, taking the lead down to 2 with 15 minutes left to go. Before Zelda even knew what was going on, Mario pulled out the most questionable update of the entire contest -- a 55 vote swing that gave Mario 3 a lead of 53 votes with only three updates left to go.

This gave Zelda time to mount one final offensive. It took the next two updates getting Mario's new lead down to 23 votes, which gave us the first final update match in recent memory. The damage however was done, and Mario secured second place with one final lead increase. The story obviously was the mysterious 55 vote swing (the update graph shows how fishy the whole thing seemed), and after the two winners were put into the overall bracket, Bacon removed them to make cheating checks.

He never did make a topic explaining what he saw that night, but he eventually penciled in Mario World > Mario 3 as the official result, setting off a whole new firestorm of GameFAQs being on the take for Mario. If you were here in 2002 or 2003, you need not be reminded of how badly Crono was screwed over in both Mario matches. Six years later, we had a different cast with the same story and the same ending: Mario pulls fishy updates out in the final few minutes to win.

The sad thing here is even if you cut that 55 vote update in half, Mario 3 still wins the match given how good a final update it had. But as things stand, Mario is once again convicted by the court of Board 8 public opinion as a cheater. True or not, Mario has pulled off some stupidly fishy matches for seven years now. As for how Zelda managed to get this close at all, this match had some really weird splits going on. 3 Marios and 1 Zelda meant if you weren't a Mario fan, you voted for Zelda here. It's the only way to explain Zelda losing to Mario 1 twice, then nearly beating a far stronger game.

The irony here is this set up an equally weird match in the semifinal. Had Mario 64 pulled off the comeback against Link to the Past, we would have had FF7 against the three strongest Mario titles. Can you imagine how good FF7 would have looked here?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 7/12/2009 6:33:33 PM | message detail

Generation divisions are decent enough

Lies, slander, and heresy.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 7/12/2009 6:35:02 PM | message detail

Ok, I went to bed early in that match then must have stayed asleep for the rest of the contest since I don't remember that match at all or anything about cheating.

Now that I've read about it, there's not really much you can do in that case. People voted twice/held their vote until the end/whatever else must have happened, and that happens in every match. Just because in this case it decided the outcome does not make it cheating any more then say a first round staircase match. Zelda just got unlucky, that's all.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 7/12/2009 6:36:32 PM | message detail

There's a difference between being unlucky and getting cheated, however. If you were there, it's pretty obvious it wasn't just a case of the Mario 3 fans holding their votes until the end.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 7/12/2009 6:38:07 PM | message detail

You think it was the act of one person stuffing votes?

I say it's much more likely that many Mario fans saw what was happening and voted twice/three times. Frowned upon and could be argued as cheating, but then again, this happens in just about every match so there's no point in arguing for it.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 7/12/2009 6:39:39 PM | message detail

50 vote spikes when you've been getting cut for 9 straight hours doesn't happen every match. 50 vote spikes don't happen in the last 15 minutes of a match between two competitors who are nearly tied because there just aren't enough votes for it.

And multiple voting is cheating, apparently. That's why I don't have a prize from 2007.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 7/12/2009 6:40:43 PM | message detail

Multiple voting with different accounts is blocked these days.

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XxSoulxX | Posted 7/12/2009 6:43:50 PM | message detail

Multiple voting with different accounts is blocked these days.

Really?
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/12/2009 6:46:51 PM | message detail

Tournament Quarterfinal: Zelda: A Link to the Past vs Final Fantasy 6 vs Final Fantasy 7 vs Super Mario 64

Zelda: A Link to the Past - 30049 [23.14%]
Final Fantasy 6 - 17991 [13.85%]
Final Fantasy 7 - 52030 [40.06%]
Super Mario 64 - 29804 [22.95%]
Total Votes - 129874

One match after the best match of the contest, we were treated to another doozy. The problem here is we literally saw the exact same trends the day before, so we pretty much saw what was coming once Mario 64 began stalling LTTP. More on that later.

This match was basically three matches in one: FF7 SFFing the hell out of FF6, LTTP vs Mario 64, and FF7 playing one-up with Ocarina. And once again, FF7 looked better this round. FF7 scored 40% in an SFF match with FF6 plus LTTP and Mario 64. Ocarina also scored 40% in an SFF match (plus FFX), but Mario 64 and Link to the Past are collectively stronger than SSBM and Pokemon RBY. You can argue semantics and formats all you want, but Mario 64 and Link to the Past would each beat either of the Nintendo games Ocarina dealt with. FF7's 40% was more impressive than Ocarina's 40%.

This said, tell me if any of this looks familiar. LTTP does well early and builds a lead of 800 votes. Mario 64 stalls a bit, but LTTP eventually builds an 1150 vote lead going into the ASV. Mario 64 comes storming back despite a lot of stalling from LTTP, but falls short in the end. This match wasn't quite the nail-biter Mario 3 vs Zelda 1 was -- Mario 64 was never really on a pace to win, got the lead under 200 with only 30 minutes left and lost by 245 -- but the trends were virtually identical. This is fairly strange, for two reasons. One, the games were backwards. Mario 64 played Zelda 1's role and Link to the Past played the role of Mario 3. You'd think two game names swapping places would yield a different trend, even just a little bit. But it did not. And for two, Zelda 1 vs Mario 3 is more or less a pure SFF match given both games are on the NES. Mario 64 and LTTP are both Nintendo games, but one was an SNES game and the other was Nintendo 64 -- 2D Zelda against 3D Mario, with both games being rather even in strength. A 1v1 with these two would be great, but as is they more or less fought for FF7's scraps.

This match proved LTTP was legit along with Mario 64, but it also hinted at GameFAQ's youth movement. As of this analysis being typed up, a "Do you still own an Super Nintendo?" poll is seeing "No, I never owned one" score nearly a third of all total votes. We're getting younger, and older games, no matter what series they're from, are slowly decreasing in popularity as a result.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/12/2009 6:48:52 PM | message detail

The voting with multiple accounts method, as well as the vote-while-logged-in-vote-again-while-logged out method hasn't worked since Luster Soldier and others got axed during.... Warcraft/GTA, I believe? It'll say your vote is accepted, but it actually isn't getting counted anymore.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/12/2009 6:49:57 PM | message detail

And I'd love to apologize for that last writeup being less than stellar, but let's be serious here. That match happening ONE DAY after Mario 3/Zelda 1 killed all the drama.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 7/12/2009 6:54:02 PM | message detail

but Mario 64 and Link to the Past are collectively stronger than SSBM and Pokemon RBY.

I believe they're stronger than double SFF'd SSBM and RBY. Completely free of SFF, I'm not so sure about that.
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xp1337 | Posted 7/12/2009 7:05:17 PM | message detail

The Quarterfinals, as a round, just blew the rest of the contest out of the water here. 3 out of 4 matches with big comeback attempts, even though they all failed (Zelda had the lead for a few minutes, but obviously failed to win after it was faced with the 11:45 update). Those 3 matches, plus SM64/CT II were probably the highlight of the contest for me.

Still don't think we've seen a 4-way come close to the better of the 1v1 contests, but this was probably the best of the 4-ways, in my opinion.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 7/12/2009 7:09:06 PM | message detail

2007 was easily the best 4-way contest. The other two aren't even close.
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xp1337 | Posted 7/12/2009 7:13:15 PM | message detail

To be honest, this was the one round I wanted no part of the OoT/FFVII comparisons.

Because I still don't how to handle RBY here as a factor in trying to compare the matches. It seems fairly inexplicably resistant to SFF from OoT, but is it really untouched? Do you just assume it did nothing to OoT and act as though it was independent? Do you assume it did have some affect, and so OoT was actually being affected by everything but FFX (although, that is not to say RBY did much, but everything counts). How would RBY stand against LttP/SM64?

Far too many questions with very little, if anything, to go on to answer them other than just gut feelings.

All the other matches, I felt okay giving an opinion on who "won" the round comparison, but not here.
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xp1337 | Posted 7/12/2009 7:14:27 PM | message detail

Eh, wasn't a fan of 2007, and not even entirely because of L-Block. Admittedly it was partly my own fault, because I hardly paid much attention to it because of the format change, so I'm likely not being very objective here.
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redrocket | Posted 7/12/2009 7:17:06 PM | message detail

Mario 64 and Link to the Past would each beat either of the Nintendo games Ocarina dealt with.

This is much more questionable than you make it sound.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/12/2009 7:17:21 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | Posted: 7/12/2009 9:09:06 PM | #148
2007 was easily the best 4-way contest. The other two aren't even close.

Are you kidding me? This past games contest rocked. Take L-Block out of 2007 and you have complete crap.
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charmander6000 | Posted 7/12/2009 7:21:31 PM | message detail

Yup, this was probably the best 4-ways contest and it also easily beats 2k4 and 2k6.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/12/2009 7:21:44 PM | message detail

From: redrocket | Posted: 7/12/2009 9:17:06 PM | #151
Mario 64 and Link to the Past would each beat either of the Nintendo games Ocarina dealt with.

This is much more questionable than you make it sound.

Pokemon, no matter how strong it's gotten, can't SFF a strong Mario or Zelda. SSBM against LTTP or Mario 64 is no contest, at least not right now. Maybe in another 5 years!
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redrocket | Posted 7/12/2009 7:23:02 PM | message detail

Pokemon, no matter how strong it's gotten, can't SFF a strong Mario or Zelda.

Who says it needs SFF?

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xp1337 | Posted 7/12/2009 7:27:28 PM | message detail

Yup, this was probably the best 4-ways contest and it also easily beats 2k4 and 2k6.

Agreed, but the 1v1 Contests I, at least, am referring to are 2k2, 2k3, Spring 2k4, and 2k5. I don't think we've seen anything come close to those contests.

The Villains Contest is... yeah...

And for whatever reason, my memory of the Series Contest is almost nonexistent other than the Castlevania/Halo match, and I don't know why.

2k6 was the prelude to gimmick-centered contests, with the Male/Female bracket split. And 2k4 could almost get honorary gimmick status thanks to the intentional SFF set-ups. Although, at least 2k4 provided a cover for Magus so we could have the epic Magus/Knuckles match in 2k5. I really wonder what Magus would have done if he had not run into Crono then. Would have he still showed some strength (although probably nothing like that Link/Magus match in 2k3), or would he have been closer to the Magus of the present? Ah well.
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xp1337 | Posted 7/12/2009 7:31:03 PM | message detail

Yeah, I still can't place RBY yet. All I know is that I was definitely wrong when back in the Round 1 and 2 discussions about it I wouldn't put it in the Top 10. That was clearly proven to be silly later.

...I almost think it could beat LttP/SM64 indirectly. I can't imagine ever picking RBY against them directly, but I can't help but think that's just some nostalgia pick to deny what RBY did.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 7/12/2009 8:04:48 PM | message detail

This past games contest rocked. Take L-Block out of 2007 and you have complete crap.

Take L-Block out, and you still have a first round full of good matches. You still have Vincent/Crono, you still have Magus sucking and Big Boss owning, you still have Luigi beating Bacondorf, you still have GAME FUEL CHIEF, you still have Pikachu's improbable run, you still have Squall nearly beating Sonic twice. There are plenty of good things that happened in 2007 that had nothing to do with L-Block.

And you can't just "take out" something and say, "Look! Without one of the best parts of the contest, it wouldn't have been as good!" DUH. Of course it wouldn't have been as good.

What was so great about this past Games Contest again? I mean, other than getting some questions answered that we've had for five years. The casual contest follower (heck, most of Board 8) doesn't care about that. We had very few matches worth caring about for THREE rounds. Yes, the last few rounds were good, but 2007's last few rounds were better.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 7/12/2009 8:07:08 PM | message detail

Oh, and divisions by generation played a large part in WHY the first three rounds were so uninteresting. It's not a coincidence that the best matches happened once we got inter-generational amtches.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 7/12/2009 8:07:16 PM | message detail

*Matches
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LeonhartFour | Posted 7/12/2009 8:12:26 PM | message detail

But if we're just going to "take" things out: Take RBY and/or CT out of the Games Contest, and it's pretty lame.
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Game_Of_Death | Posted 7/12/2009 8:18:27 PM | message detail

The 2k9 contest was better than the spring 2k4 contest for one reason. Ocarina won. :)
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xp1337 | Posted 7/12/2009 8:40:57 PM | message detail

I had no problems with OoT winning, but this contest isn't even close to Spring 2004, which I still rank as the best contest we've had.

Starcraft's entire run was incredible.

LttP/CT will probably never be beaten as an all-day virtual tie match, I don't think we'll ever see something quite like that again, especially with two entrants of that caliber.

There are some other matches, but probably none on that level.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/13/2009 5:44:49 AM | message detail

The funny thing is that I voted against Mario 64 in all three of its close matches, but after playing the game yesterday and starting my quest to get the last 50 stars, it's now my #2 game, only behind Ocarina. Especially after the funny moment where I got two stars on the same platform in Wet Dry World (one for earning 100 coins, the other for finding the 5 secrets in the course). This is probably how my top ten would shape up now.

1. Ocarina of Time
2. Super Mario 64
3. A Link to the Past
4. Chrono Trigger
5. Mario 3
6. Super Metroid
7. Metal Gear Solid
8. Final Fantasy VI
9. Super Mario World
10. GoldenEye

I wouldn't mind any of these games losing to Pokemon RBY though (or even Sonic 1 or Call of Duty 4).

greatone10 | Posted 7/13/2009 6:27:42 AM | message detail

You know, I honestly have no problems with four ways, but the generational divide needs to go should we do another games contest. It would be interesting to see how something like Zelda 1 would fare against Resident Evil 4 or Metal Gear Solid.
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L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 7/13/2009 7:15:01 AM | message detail

Let's do generations for the next character contest.
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Meeks54 | Posted 7/13/2009 9:19:03 AM | message detail

From: Game_Of_Death | #163
The 2k9 contest was better than the spring 2k4 contest for one reason. Ocarina won. :)

This.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/13/2009 9:21:02 AM | message detail

From: L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted: 7/13/2009 9:15:01 AM | #167
Let's do generations for the next character contest.

This actually isn't that bad of an idea. I recall Slowflake making a bracket for this once, and it put Shadow or Tidus into the Final Four. I'd love to see reactions to this.
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 7/13/2009 9:23:21 AM | message detail

Nah, it would be a really boring bracket. Mario and Link SFF the hell out of everyone in the first couple divisions, Sonic beats the tar out of everyone before jobbing to Cloud/Snake, and Auron and Sora dominate their divisions with ease. Maybe a specifically intergenerational brakcet where one character from each generation is placed in each match or something.

LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/13/2009 9:26:47 AM | message detail

Here are some fan-made games contests that don't have any generational divide.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/vine/showthread.php?t=325462&page=1&pp=30
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/vine/showthread.php?t=394758
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/vine/showthread.php?t=537362
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/vine/showthread.php?t=608966
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/vine/showthread.php?t=668081

Lol Metroid Prime > StarCraft finals.

UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/13/2009 9:27:51 AM | message detail

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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/13/2009 9:33:14 AM | message detail

Heh, I just wanted to show some examples. For discussion purposes.

That in mind, I guess I should return to homework right now.

LeonhartFour | Posted 7/13/2009 1:07:03 PM | message detail

This actually isn't that bad of an idea.

Don't be ridiculous. It'd be worse than games by generations. Plus, you take out all serious contenders for breaking the Noble Nine because no one would be in Sonic's, Crono's, or Mega Man's generation who could beat them other than another Noble Nine character. Plus, they'd all be crammed into a small section of the bracket.

Maybe that sounds like a good idea to some weird people, but it would arguably be worse than 2004.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 7/13/2009 1:07:41 PM | message detail

Although sometimes I don't think you believe half the stuff you say in these things.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/13/2009 3:03:32 PM | message detail

From: LinkMarioSamus | Posted: 7/13/2009 11:33:14 AM | #173
Heh, I just wanted to show some examples. For discussion purposes.

That in mind, I guess I should return to homework right now.

Except no one is discussing any of it, you've been asked dozens of times in this topic and the stats topic to stop posting it, and you keep doing it just to be annoying. Because that's the only thing 11 year-olds are any good at.
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Some_Character | Posted 7/13/2009 3:04:44 PM | message detail

Can't you just mark him or something?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 7/13/2009 3:06:45 PM | message detail

He's not doing anything moddable. Just because no one likes it doesn't make it moddable.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/13/2009 3:09:03 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | Posted: 7/13/2009 5:06:45 PM | #178
He's not doing anything moddable. Just because no one likes it doesn't make it moddable.

I can make anything moddable if I really want to. But Bacon is awesome, so I don't even bother with annoying people anymore.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/13/2009 3:09:16 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | Posted: 7/13/2009 3:07:41 PM | #175
Although sometimes I don't think you believe half the stuff you say in these things.

I use big sarcasm quotes, like GLaDOS.
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Some_Character | Posted 7/13/2009 3:09:36 PM | message detail

Trolling is described as "Intending solely to annoy and/or offend other posters", and being asked to stop for a dozen times and simply continuing is pretty much that, if you ask me.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 7/13/2009 3:10:50 PM | message detail

Well, I think it'd be pretty pathetic for people to get modded just because we don't like their posts. He isn't breaking any rules, so just ignore him and move on.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 7/13/2009 3:11:17 PM | message detail

I don't think that's his intention, personally.
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Game_Of_Death | Posted 7/13/2009 3:57:59 PM | message detail

At first I liked his posts, but now it is kind of getting annoying. I keep going on GameFAQs and checking this topic. "Hey, there are more posts! Ulti probably posted another analysis! Oh, wait no, it's just another annoying post and posts of people telling him to shut up."
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Anagram | Posted 7/13/2009 5:05:01 PM | message detail

I keep going on GameFAQs and checking this topic. "Hey, there are more posts! Ulti probably posted another analysis! Oh, wait no, it's just another annoying post and posts of people telling him to shut up."

This has been exactly what I've done ever since his original Analysis Topic.
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L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 7/13/2009 5:43:55 PM | message detail

And now I just wasted your time posting what you guys thought was an Ulti update.

Wrecked.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/13/2009 5:58:29 PM | message detail

Tournament Quarterfinal: Zelda: Ocarina of Time vs Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow vs Super Smash Bros. Melee vs Final Fantasy X

Zelda: Ocarina of Time - 53216 [40.76%]
Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow - 27227 [20.85%]
Super Smash Bros. Melee - 18949 [14.51%]
Final Fantasy X - 31164 [23.87%]
Total Votes - 130556

Not every late round match gets to be fun, and this match definitely fit that mold of not being fun. Pokemon RBY held even with Final Fantasy X for 10 minutes, but eventually felt the brunt of the SFF hammer and the match more or less ended.

Final Fantasy X reaped the benefits of good bracket placement here, because Zelda is the Nintendo SFF King. Melee got absolutely destroyed in this match, and Pokemon may very well have beaten FFX if any other game from this bracket replaced Ocarina. As is, all this match proved is Pokemon resists Nintendo SFF better than Smash Brothers. This doesn't prove any FFX/Melee/RBY pecking order, doesn't settle the FFX vs Melee debate and doesn't really settle how strong Pokemon RBY truly is. It held up well yes, but it's likely on LTTP's level indirectly.

Even though Final Fantasy X didn't look all too dominant leading up to this match, it made the semifinal and would only need one more stroke of luck to give us our cookie cutter final we all hoped against.

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Game_Of_Death | Posted 7/13/2009 7:24:36 PM | message detail

You know, if they ever do another games contest they should take Ocarina and FFVII out and have a Tournament of Champions or Battle Royal like in the character contests.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 7/13/2009 7:26:08 PM | message detail

I wouldn't be too opposed to that because FFVII and OoT are just that far ahead of the competition. Nobody else is ever going to catch them, at least not for a long, long time.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/13/2009 7:52:20 PM | message detail

That was actually my favorite quarterfinals match, for one reason; Melee getting SFFd into the ground. Though I think it was Pokemon doing the SFFing instead, but that's fine too.

Meeks54 | Posted 7/13/2009 8:55:25 PM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #187
Tournament Quarterfinal: Zelda: Ocarina of Time vs Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow vs Super Smash Bros. Melee vs Final Fantasy X

Zelda: Ocarina of Time - 53216 [40.76%]
Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow - 27227 [20.85%]
Super Smash Bros. Melee - 18949 [14.51%]
Final Fantasy X - 31164 [23.87%]
Total Votes - 130556

Not every late round match gets to be fun, and this match definitely fit that mold of not being fun. Pokemon RBY held even with Final Fantasy X for 10 minutes, but eventually felt the brunt of the SFF hammer and the match more or less ended.

Final Fantasy X reaped the benefits of good bracket placement here, because Zelda is the Nintendo SFF King. Melee got absolutely destroyed in this match, and Pokemon may very well have beaten FFX if any other game from this bracket replaced Ocarina. As is, all this match proved is Pokemon resists Nintendo SFF better than Smash Brothers. This doesn't prove any FFX/Melee/RBY pecking order, doesn't settle the FFX vs Melee debate and doesn't really settle how strong Pokemon RBY truly is. It held up well yes, but it's likely on LTTP's level indirectly.

Even though Final Fantasy X didn't look all too dominant leading up to this match, it made the semifinal and would only need one more stroke of luck to give us our cookie cutter final we all hoped against.

Speak for yourself. Anything less than 2 FF vs 2 Zelda's would have been meaningless on this site, where only those 2 series mattered. Beyond that, the only way to have a semi fair Championship between the big 2 was going to be if the other games were also from FF and LoZ.

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Tournament Quarterfinal: Zelda: Twilight Princess vs Resident Evil 4 vs Super Smash Bros. Brawl vs Metal Gear Solid 4

Zelda: Twilight Princess - 29209 [23.5%]
Resident Evil 4 - 27563 [22.18%]
Super Smash Bros. Brawl - 33707 [27.12%]
Metal Gear Solid 4 - 33812 [27.2%]
Votes Votes - 124291

This was not only an exciting match, but it was the most important match of the entire contest. A ton of debate about the 4th game to make the finals ended on this day, obviously because two of the contenders lost.

As lucky as Resident Evil 4 was in getting to this point, its luck ran out despite a very strong last place effort. You know you've got four strong games in a poll when last place breaks 22%. But in terms of actually placing, RE4 never came close. And even though RE4 was in six matches this contest, we have no freaking clue about its fanbase split. Is it quasi-Nintendo? PS2? Independent? We flat-out don't know, which would make it a sick wild card if we ever got another 1v1 games contest. A lot of strong games came out this contest complete enigmas, but RE4 (along with Pokemon RBY) highlight the list.

Twilight Princess didn't need much luck to get to this point, but it too suffered an abrupt exit at the hands of Brawl SFFing it. It is extremely rare to see Zelda suffer even 1 percentage point of SFF, but it happened here. If you remove Brawl from the poll, Twilight Princess scores first or second very easily. As is, this match proved Brawl is the Wii title of choice on this site, and would likely dominate or easily defeat any Nintendo game from the Gamecube or Wii era. Given how powerful Brawl was in this contest paired with how off Melee looked before its SFF loss to Ocarina, I don't even think Brawl vs Melee would be a match. Brawl likely takes it pretty easily, unless the newfound drawl dominance in polls turns on Brawl and favors Melee, but we're getting off the point here.

Brawl, from first match all the way up its loss in the semifinal, proved that it was 100% legit. With the way it brushed aside Galaxy and handled Twilight Princess, there is no argument to be made against Brawl. It's legit and here to stay for quite a long while. At least, it is in the Nintendo pecking order. Brawl ran into a tiny little problem during its Nintendo victory tour, and that problem was Metal Gear Solid 4. Even though Brawl annihilated MGS4 one round prior, the Nintendo splitting in the rematch allowed MGS4 to stick out like a sore thumb and make a real run at upsetting Brawl in this here match.

In fact after Brawl's minor early lead, MGS4 came back and started pouring on the pressure overnight. And this wasn't basic pressure. Brawl and MGS4 were in a footrace, but MGS4 was unhindered and Brawl had RE4 and Twilight Princess wrapped around its ankles. Before Brawl even knew what happened, MGS4 had spent all night building up a lead of 1600 votes, and then spent all morning tag teaming with Twilight Princess to stall any early Brawl comeback attempts. The 1600 vote lead held all the way through the DSV, giving MGS4 a 1450 vote lead going into the ASV. Seemed an easy enough win, but Brawl had one hell of a run left in it.

UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/14/2009 2:57:38 AM | message detail

When the ASV hit, all hell broke loose on MGS4's lead. Brawl came storming back right on cue, and MGS4 just fell off the map for hours on end. Not only was Brawl cutting votes, it was regularly getting updates in the 50-70 range and looked to take the lead by dessert. The pace slowed down considerably once the hard ASV hours passed, but a ton of damage was done with more yet to come. At 7:30 p.m., the lead was all the way down to 400 votes. One hour later, it was below 300. At 10:25, it dipped below 100. Brawl's gains were slowing down as the match progressed, but it was still gaining fast enough to win.

It would however slow down a bit too much near the end and never get quite over the hump. MGS4 took from the deep reservoir of late-night MGS strength to hold off Brawl in the last hour of the poll, securing itself a 105 vote win. Brawl made an unreal effort given the splits in this poll, but it was starting from too far back. 1600 votes is no joke.

With this, all three games with any potential of making the final as the fourth game would duke it out next round. Final Fantasy X, Brawl and MGS4. Brawl and MGS4 gave us a match for the ages in this growing rivalry, but in the end both games were able to advance and neither could have possibly felt bad about their performance after the match. Both games are and will continue to be 100% legit.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/14/2009 5:11:08 AM | message detail

You could say that ZSS being in a match pic cost Brawl the win. *just for giggles*

And yeah, MGS4 winning that match kicks ass!!!

Though I liked the pic that emphasized the female characters.

TheBeastWithin | Posted 7/14/2009 6:18:02 AM | message detail

Wow, it takes really big men to pick on a kid.

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L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 7/14/2009 7:48:53 AM | message detail

From: TheBeastWithin | #195
Wow, it takes really big men to pick on a kid.

It takes a bigger man to make them cry and laugh about it.

Sadly, I'm not a big enough man. :/
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/14/2009 8:46:31 AM | message detail

Of course, this site is now full of Smash and Zelda fanboys. Nuts. I mean, who's actually happy about that?

LeonhartFour | Posted 7/14/2009 11:25:29 AM | message detail

And even though RE4 was in six matches this contest

Uhhhh...

And your ideas of what SFFs each other are weird.
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Meeks54 | Posted 7/14/2009 5:03:28 PM | message detail

From: LinkMarioSamus | #197
Of course, this site is now full of Smash and Zelda fanboys. Nuts. I mean, who's actually happy about that?

I for one am thrilled about it. As nothing comes close to LoZ for overall, it is only appropriate that it dominates, as for Smash, what can I say, a virtual museum dedicated to Nintendo is a godly premise.
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L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 7/14/2009 8:07:22 PM | message detail

From: LinkMarioSamus | #197
Of course, this site is now full of Smash and Zelda fanboys. Nuts. I mean, who's actually happy about that?

I am.

I mean, I'd prefer complete domination by Mario and wRPGs like KotOR, Fallout 3, and Oblivion, but hey, I'll take what I can get.
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Kotetsu534 | Posted 7/14/2009 8:21:49 PM | message detail

I'll think the site is dominated by Smash/Mario/Zelda fans when FFVII isn't the second most popular game by a good distance.

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AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 7/14/2009 8:58:11 PM | message detail

I know 2004 was boring for everybody else, but I really enjoyed it! >_>
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/15/2009 1:52:13 AM | message detail

I meant to say four, not six. Whoops.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/15/2009 5:56:56 AM | message detail

And I hated RE4 taking last place in that match, but GoldenEye would likely have taken last place there too, so whatever. Trying to assemble more of my top:

1. Ocarina of Time
2. Super Mario 64
3. A Link to the Past
4. Chrono Trigger
5. Mario 3
6. Super Metroid
7. Metal Gear Solid
8. Final Fantasy VI
9. Super Mario World
10. GoldenEye
11. Final Fantasy VII
12. Half-Life 2
13. Super Mario Galaxy
14. Resident Evil 4
15. Mario 1
16. Elite
17. Fallout 3
18. Grand Theft Auto IV
19. Super Mario Kart
20. Tetris
21. Half-Life
22. Metal Gear Solid 4
23. Symphony of the Night
24. Shadow of the Colossus
25. Metroid Prime
26. Halo
27. Yoshi's Island
28. Metal Gear Solid 3
29. Doom
30. Grand Theft Auto III
31. Pokemon RBY
32. Zelda 1
33. Sonic 1
34. Earthbound
35. Call of Duty 4

Yeah, that's about everything that deserves "Best Game Ever" status.

LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/15/2009 5:58:14 AM | message detail

Damn it, I forgot Street Fighter II, put it between Sonic 1 and Earthbound. Oh, I forgot Starcraft too, that goes between Symphony of the Night and Shadow of the Colossus

L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 7/15/2009 8:08:57 AM | message detail

...Holy ****.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/15/2009 8:46:49 AM | message detail

Oh yeah, and you know what else is funny here? It's that...

...Oblivion is more liked than Final Fantasy XII on GameFAQs, a site that generally favors Final Fantasy games over PC RPGs, while Final Fantasy XII is more liked on Gamespy, a site that generally favors PC RPGs over JRPGs (then again they have expressed several times that they think FF7 is overrated, and they gave FFX a 4/5, so whatever).

I'm getting the expression that FFXII is tailor made for those who didn't like the earlier installments.

Game_Of_Death | Posted 7/15/2009 11:07:40 AM | message detail

I have to agree with LinkMarioSamus's top games. Putting Super Mario 64, Link to the Past, Mario 3, Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy VI, and GoldenEye in front of Final Fantasy VII is my cup of tea. However, I would have also put Super Mario Brothers, Super Mario RPG, Super Mario World, StarCraft, Contra, Super C, Final Fantasy X, Super Smash Bros. Melee, Majora's Mask, Pokemon RBY, Paper Mario, Paper Mario: TTYD, Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island, Donkey Kong (original), Donkey Kong Country 1 and 2, Donkey Kong 64, Conker's Bad Fur Day, Banjo-Kazooie, Battletoads, Sonic the Hedgehog, Sonic the Hedgehog 3, Mario Kart 64, Star Fox 64, Mario Tennis, Mario Kart: Double Dash, Resident Evil 4, Call of Duty 4, Street Fighter II, Perfect Dark, Star Wars: Battlefront II, and Super Metroid in front of Final Fantasy VII, just to name a few.
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Game_Of_Death | Posted 7/15/2009 11:09:14 AM | message detail

Oh, wait, you did put Super Mario World and Super Metroid in front of Final Fantasy VII. Take those two out.
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Game_Of_Death | Posted 7/15/2009 11:12:17 AM | message detail

Oh, and add Castlevania, Castlevania III, and Castlevania: SOTN.
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L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 7/15/2009 10:02:41 PM | message detail

Let me post a list of my favorite games in a topic about contest analysis:
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/15/2009 11:34:34 PM | message detail

Anyone who thinks he isn't trying to be annoying on purpose is kidding themselves. I half wish I hadn't written this thing, since this topic would be one less place for him to post all of this useless crap he thinks we find relevant even though we have said COUNTLESS TIMES we do not ****ing care.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/15/2009 11:35:13 PM | message detail

If you'll excuse me, I have to go compare my favorite game list to the tastes of 285 other sites and post them in a topic about a GameFAQs contest. You all care, I'm sure.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/15/2009 11:37:56 PM | message detail

Did you guys know Kratos was voted the most popular Tales of Symphonia character on a Tales of Symphonia forum? This is somehow relevant to why Tales of Symphonia lost.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/15/2009 11:41:48 PM | message detail

1 - Fire Emblem series
2 - Final Fantasy Tactics
3 - Super Smash Brothers Melee
4 - Final Fantasy 7
5 - Metal Gear Solid series
6 - Defense of the Ancients
7 - Final Fantasy 6
8 - Devil May Cry/Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening
9 - Resident Evil 4
10 - Tales of Symphonia
11 - Disgaea: Hour of Darkness
12 - The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
13 - Starcraft: Brood War
14 - Super Smash Brothers
15 - Super Mario Brothers 3
16 - Super Mario 64
17 - Metroid Prime
18 - Chrono Trigger
19 - Kingdom Hearts 1/2
20 - The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
21 - Castlevania series
22 - Lunar SSSC
23 - Final Fantasy 4
24 - Diablo 2: Lord of Destruction
25 - Phoenix Wright series
26 - Portal
26 - Disgaea 2: Cursed Memories
27 - Metroid Prime 2: Echoes
28 - Final Fantasy 9
29 - Super Metroid
30 - Mega Man series
31 - Final Fantasy X
32 - Super Mario RPG: The Legend of the Seven Stars
33 - Goldeneye
34 - Guitar Hero series
35 - Diablo
36 - The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
37 - Mega Man X series
38 - Crystalis
39 - Star Fox 64
40 - EarthBound
41 - Final Fantasy 12
42 - Perfect Dark
43 - Tecmo Super Bowl
44 - Guardian Legend
45 - Sonic the Hedgehog 1/2/3
46 - Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
47 - The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening
48 - Advance Wars series
49 - Turok 2: Seeds of Evil
50 - Street Fighter series

Did you know that Serenes Forest, a collective hub of Fire Emblem knowledge, likes Fire Emblem more than Gamespy, which likes PC games the most? I'll bet you guys never knew that.
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Big Bob | Posted 7/15/2009 11:52:07 PM | message detail

Wait...

Ulti, are you trolling yourself again?
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/16/2009 12:00:10 AM | message detail

Totally.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/16/2009 12:08:01 AM | message detail

Tournament Semifinal: Super Mario World vs Super Mario Brothers 3 vs Final Fantasy 7 vs Zelda: A Link to the Past

Super Mario World - 19689 [16.17%]
Super Mario Brothers 3 - 18761 [15.41%]
Final Fantasy 7 - 54501 [44.77%]
Zelda: A Link to the Past - 28786 [23.65%]
Total Votes - 121737

This match may have been interesting of Mario 64 completed its comeback against LTTP, but as is this is one of the easiest to call late round matches we've ever had. FF7 was a lock for first place, and Zelda was obviously going to prevail among the three Nintendo leftovers given the Mario split. This match was a near-lock for FF7 > LTTP, and was all about the incoming FF7 vs Ocarina final.

And again for the fifth time in a row, FF7 won the comparison game. Its problem was forgetting it was the stronger game once the actual final came around. Nearly 45% is much more impressive than Ocarina's 41% on weaker competition, though the Nintendo SFF obviously helps FF7's percentage along.

With half the final set, it was time for our last exciting match of the contest.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/16/2009 12:20:36 AM | message detail

Tournament Semifinal: Zelda: Ocarina of Time vs Final Fantasy X vs Metal Gear Solid 4 vs Super Smash Bros. Brawl

Zelda: Ocarina of Time - 53724 [41.02%]
Final Fantasy X - 28405 [21.69%]
Metal Gear Solid 4 - 25838 [19.73%]
Super Smash Bros. Brawl - 22994 [17.56%]
Total Votes - 130961

Ocarina was obviously going to get first place here to secure the third spot in the final, so the true match was between the other three games to finally settle our debate for the fourth final spot once and for all.

It would have been nice for this to get decided by base strength, but Ocarina SFFing Brawl prevented this. Brawl could very well have made the final if this were just a three way poll between the three weaker games, but bracket placement and luck are a big part of the game in this format. Brawl fell behind early and was completely unable to catch up based on Ocarina's presence. It was a shame to see Brawl's run end this way, but it happens sometimes.

The true match ended up FFX against MGS4, and early on MGS4 was a clear recipient of bandwagoning. MGS4 took a slim early lead, and pushed back any FFX push with a spiked increase. This is usually a sign of rallying and bandwagoning, especially late in contests. MGS4 continued this pattern for a couple of hours, but was unable to hold it once the heavy night vote kicked in. The deep night is Final Fantasy's best time, and FFX used it to erase MGS4's miniscule 200 vote lead. From there it rose to heaven and won second place fairly easily, giving us our fourth entrant for the final. A few games might have beaten FFX given different bracket placement, but in the end we got the cookie cutter final predicted as soon as the bracket came out.

Ironically, the final looked like it would be no contest given how FF7 outperformed Ocarina five times in a row. But that's, as Chris Berman would say, why they play the games.

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Kotetsu534 | Posted 7/16/2009 12:52:05 AM | message detail

It's nice to watch your favourite game fluke its way past stronger opposition all the way to the final.

I just went back and looked at the bracket for the 04 tourney and realised how little I knew about that contest. Things I learned: A. Way more very close games than I had thought there would be (like within 2%). B. FFVII and OoT didn't meet in the final. C. Chrono Trigger was really that strong at one time. I take it that it was the undisputed "third game" at that point?

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/16/2009 4:44:48 AM | message detail

Whoever is supposed to be copy-pasting these onto the Wiki is doing a terrible job. I tried doing it myself but ended up with some weird html crap. So yeah, one the regs get to work plz?
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/16/2009 5:19:16 AM | message detail

Oh yeah, sorry about the lists. I thought because I was stating my own opinions it would be better, but meh.

As far as the matches, well, it was nice seeing MGS4 kick ass for some time...and then collapsing was not cool at all! And FF7 domination was...I dunno. The critical consensus for that match, BTW, based on the last 8 or so

Another thing is that whenever I play SSBM, I think "why am I not playing SSBB?" Anybody else?

Some_Character | Posted 7/16/2009 5:20:37 AM | message detail

Because Melee is still better than Brawl. That's why.
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Meeks54 | Posted 7/16/2009 5:22:26 AM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #219
Tournament Semifinal: Zelda: Ocarina of Time vs Final Fantasy X vs Metal Gear Solid 4 vs Super Smash Bros. Brawl

Zelda: Ocarina of Time - 53724 [41.02%]
Final Fantasy X - 28405 [21.69%]
Metal Gear Solid 4 - 25838 [19.73%]
Super Smash Bros. Brawl - 22994 [17.56%]
Total Votes - 130961

Ocarina was obviously going to get first place here to secure the third spot in the final, so the true match was between the other three games to finally settle our debate for the fourth final spot once and for all.

It would have been nice for this to get decided by base strength, but Ocarina SFFing Brawl prevented this. Brawl could very well have made the final if this were just a three way poll between the three weaker games, but bracket placement and luck are a big part of the game in this format. Brawl fell behind early and was completely unable to catch up based on Ocarina's presence. It was a shame to see Brawl's run end this way, but it happens sometimes.

The true match ended up FFX against MGS4, and early on MGS4 was a clear recipient of bandwagoning. MGS4 took a slim early lead, and pushed back any FFX push with a spiked increase. This is usually a sign of rallying and bandwagoning, especially late in contests. MGS4 continued this pattern for a couple of hours, but was unable to hold it once the heavy night vote kicked in. The deep night is Final Fantasy's best time, and FFX used it to erase MGS4's miniscule 200 vote lead. From there it rose to heaven and won second place fairly easily, giving us our fourth entrant for the final. A few games might have beaten FFX given different bracket placement, but in the end we got the cookie cutter final predicted as soon as the bracket came out.

Ironically, the final looked like it would be no contest given how FF7 outperformed Ocarina five times in a row. But that's, as Chris Berman would say, why they play the games.

Yeah, except near unanimously the stats contests said OoT won round 1 and 2. Many of us thought it had round 5 as well, the writing was on the wall since day 1 what was going to happen if FF X made any kind of dent at all on FF VII.

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xp1337 | Posted 7/16/2009 6:26:22 AM | message detail

I take it that it was the undisputed "third game" at that point?

I don't know about undisputed. I mean, at the time, yes, CT looked like #3 and nothing besides OoT and FFVII could beat it, because most of the other serious competitors (LttP, SMB3) had already tried and failed.

Realistically though, CT/LttP was close enough that it's just really hard to call something undisputed. LttP lost by less than 400, and that'd be incredibly easy to swing even if a contest was held the next year, and that isn't even factoring in that since Spring 2004 we saw a huge site-wide trend towards Nintendo and CT appearing to drop. If anything, I'd say that FFVII was the undisputed #1, OoT was the undisputed #2, and CT/LttP were the undisputed #3 and #4.
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L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 7/16/2009 8:12:18 AM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #215
16 - Super Mario 64
17 - Metroid Prime
18 - Chrono Trigger

So that explains SM64 beating CT!
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L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 7/16/2009 8:13:45 AM | message detail

And LMS, if you're not yet posting in the Contest Stats and Discussion topics, I really recommend you should. That place more than any other loves discussion on other sites' preferences and favorites lists.
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Game_Of_Death | Posted 7/16/2009 8:47:48 AM | message detail

Ok, Ulti, I fixed it all up for you on Board 8 Wiki. I don't know why you had problems, just Copy/Paste worked fine for me.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/16/2009 8:52:23 AM | message detail

I didn't know that the Contest Stats and Analysis Discussion Board liked discussion on other sites' preference. I just came off of another session of Super Mario RPG, and it's cool to be playing a Square RPG where the main character doesn't hint at going completely nuts (though IT'S FREAKING MARIO FOR HEAVEN'S SAKE!!!).

Game_Of_Death | Posted 7/16/2009 8:58:31 AM | message detail

What does Super Mario RPG being a Square RPG and having the main character not hinting to go completely nuts have anything to do with the Contest Stats and Analysis Board liking discussion on other sites preferences? What does it even have to with this topic? I have no idea what you're saying, and your suit sucks!
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Julian_Caesar | Posted 7/16/2009 9:52:20 AM | message detail

The writing was on the wall since day 1 what was going to happen if FF X made any kind of dent at all on FF VII.

Mmmm not really. There was plenty of evidence in favor of the idea that LttP was strong enough that it would LFF OoT more than FFX would do to FFVII, if it also made it into the final. And I don't think there was ever any doubt that LttP > FFX, it was just a question of which fanbase would be more likely to concentrate their votes.

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Calintares | Posted 7/16/2009 11:02:28 AM | message detail

It was during FFVIIs semifinal that I concluded it had a huge hill to climb in the finals, At that time most people figured FFVII was the easy favorite.

all thanks to geolocation.
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L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 7/16/2009 11:09:39 AM | message detail

From: LinkMarioSamus | #229
I didn't know that the Contest Stats and Analysis Discussion Board liked discussion on other sites' preference. I just came off of another session of Super Mario RPG, and it's cool to be playing a Square RPG where the main character doesn't hint at going completely nuts (though IT'S FREAKING MARIO FOR HEAVEN'S SAKE!!!).

That's what they love to do over there. You'll fit in perfectly.
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Jokeman18 | Posted 7/16/2009 12:20:58 PM | message detail

Since i am Jokeman18, i'm going to give you a list of all of my top 64 favorite jokes that have no relation to anything on this topic or board 8!

1.) Just kidding

Calintares | Posted 7/16/2009 2:43:17 PM | message detail

to my knowledge, the gamefaqs contests are the best attended gaming related polls anywhere, can anyone confirm/deny this?
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L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 7/16/2009 4:05:19 PM | message detail

I can't think of any other gaming polls that average over 100k votes.

Of course, this place has different biases from the norm, but honestly so would every other single site that had gaming polls. Might as well do them on the biggest gaming-oriented site on the internet.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/16/2009 4:09:01 PM | message detail

From: Game_Of_Death | Posted: 7/16/2009 10:47:48 AM | #228
Ok, Ulti, I fixed it all up for you on Board 8 Wiki. I don't know why you had problems, just Copy/Paste worked fine for me.

It might be my admin options. I honestly have no clue.
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Ultimaphazon | Posted 7/17/2009 12:53:01 AM | message detail

Mmmm not really. There was plenty of evidence in favor of the idea that LttP was strong enough that it would LFF OoT more than FFX

I never understood the reasoning behind this one. It's the final, and everyone knew that match was going to be about FFVII vs OOT. Expecting LttP to hold up as well as it did in that favorite Zelda poll, was just asking for trouble. LttP and FFX were both going to get murdered, and it was obvious even before the contest started that the two games that aren't FFVII and OOT would die horribly there.

One game scoring 12% over the other one getting 10% was not going to impact FFVII vs OOT enough to make a difference.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/17/2009 4:50:56 AM | message detail

I'd still pick LTTP to beat FFX 1v1, even if the final is an unreliable result.
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Calintares | Posted 7/17/2009 7:07:51 AM | message detail

I believe that FFX is going to become (relatively) stronger for some time now, since it is soon in the golden position that FFVII had in 2004 and that OoT and Pokèmon RBY has now, It will soon be the game that (close to) everyone played when they were younger.

the same could probably be said about SSBM and (maybe) Halo.
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xp1337 | Posted 7/17/2009 8:58:33 AM | message detail

One game scoring 12% over the other one getting 10% was not going to impact FFVII vs OOT enough to make a difference.

That actually depends entirely where you put the strength of the games. I maintained OoT > FFVII since the beginning of the contest, but I didn't think OoT was that far ahead, so if we were talking about LttP causing a net of 2% damage to OoT, I wasn't sure I could say that OoT could break 52% on FFVII, and so with that kind of split I could have seen LttP costing OoT a win.

Of course, as it turned out, OoT is far enough ahead of FFVII that it just didn't matter. But you couldn't quite assume that beforehand. I mean, even though I disagree on round comparisons, I felt they were all fairly close (except Round 3, where OoT just did not show up), so I didn't think OoT and FFVII were that far, if anything I put OoT's ceiling around 52%, and probably felt better about it getting around 51%.
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Julian_Caesar | Posted 7/17/2009 9:56:11 AM | message detail

I never understood the reasoning behind this one. It's the final, and everyone knew that match was going to be about FFVII vs OOT. Expecting LttP to hold up as well as it did in that favorite Zelda poll, was just asking for trouble. LttP and FFX were both going to get murdered, and it was obvious even before the contest started that the two games that aren't FFVII and OOT would die horribly there.

One game scoring 12% over the other one getting 10% was not going to impact FFVII vs OOT enough to make a difference.

I didn't say there was a lot of REASONING behind the viewpoint, just that there was EVIDENCE for it, mostly to the tune of LttP outperforming everyone besides OoT, FFVII, and Brawl. Obviously when you look at the final numbers of the poll, it didn't have much effect; but early on in the contest, I don't think it was quite so cut and dry as you would indicate here. FFVII was looking to be a stronger SFF abuser than OoT. When you add that to the fact that LttP is an overall stronger game than FFX anyway, you get the conclusion that FFVII would take more votes away from FFX than OoT did from LttP. This turned out to be wrong, but it didn't swing the other way, either; in the final 4-way, FFX got 22.9% of FF votes, and LttP got 22.7% of Zelda votes, a statistical tie.

The problem was not in this assumption; the problem was that nobody realized just how many more Nintendo/Zelda fans there are on this than 4 years ago, when FFVII won the contest. Zelda votes outnumbered FF votes in the 4-way by 6,000 counts, and then by 9,000 in the 1v1 final. Even if LttP had been able to LFF OoT for a few more percentage points, it would not have made a difference.

You're right in saying LttP never had a chance to do very well. But there was definitely a chance that it could LFF OoT enough to make things a close match. It just turned out that regardless of how much LttP affected it (within reason), OoT was going to win because there were enough Zelda fans to win the poll by brute force.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/17/2009 11:26:38 PM | message detail

Tournament Final: Final Fantasy 7 vs Zelda: A Link to the Past vs Zelda: Ocarina of Time vs Final Fantasy X

Final Fantasy 7 - 52954 [36.75%]
Zelda: A Link to the Past - 17067 [11.84%]
Zelda: Ocarina of Time - 58200 [40.39%]
Final Fantasy X - 15876 [11.02%]
Total Votes - 144097

This was obviously the hyped cookie final, but the entire thing was over in about 5 seconds. Ocarina of Time rode a lot of circumstantial factors all the way to the championship, dominating Final Fantasy 7 in the process and becoming GameFAQs' new #1 game. Thought FF7 outperformed Ocarina of Time in every round leading up to this point, the horrendous early vote for the entire Final Fantasy series, paired with people not wanting a repeat champion and Zelda having Final Fantasy's number since the series contest all factored into a very easy Ocarina victory dance. One could blame Final Fantasy X's presence for Final Fantasy 7 losing, but Link to the Past had equal opportunity to hurt Ocarina. Fact is Ocarina won a fair fight, and Team Zelda defeated Team Final Fantasy, much like the series contest.

For FF7 to have won this, it would have needed MGS4 to make the final and for LTTP to hurt Ocarina a LOT more than it did. As is, LTTP barely phased Ocarina at all. FF7 is still leagues better than all but one game on this site, but FF as a whole gets anti-voted to holy hell in every contest, and as such always gets in a huge hole early against games of even strength. Sometimes they come back, like FFX did against MGS4 or FF the series did against Mario. But against something like Zelda that never shows any mercy in any poll, it's a death sentence. People held out hope of an FF7 comeback for hours, but it was all a pipe dream. This poll was Ocarina's victory tour from the opening bell, and the way it won so easily despite doing worse than FF7 shows how huge the play rate is of this site's most popular games. We talk about SFF and all that in pretty much every match, but the fact is a level of SFF exists in all polls with popular games in them.

Ocarina of Time, your 2009 champion! Now all we need is a third games contest being 1v1 with Ocarina and FF7 removed from the main bracket for a Tournament of Champions thing, since they're both so far ahead of everyone else. If only we could see FF7 vs Ocarina in a 1v1 setting before then...

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Meeks54 | Posted 7/17/2009 11:29:45 PM | message detail

I see a bonus match write up in our near future.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/17/2009 11:54:01 PM | message detail

Bonus Match: Final Fantasy 7 vs Zelda: Ocarina of Time

Final Fantasy 7 - 73726 [47.31%]
Zelda: Ocarina of Time - 82112 [52.69%]
Total Votes - 155838

Sweet, a 1v1 bonus match between the two "winners"!

Bacon had balls like grapefruits to give us this poll, because he knew full well going in that a bonus match between FF7 and Ocarina of Time would ruin all of his faulty logic about why we were stuck with a 4way contest. Something about more exciting matches, higher vote totals, higher site traffic and more opportunity for ad revenue?

Yeah, BS. This bonus match, a 1v1, outscored the tournament final by over 10,000 votes. From a pure site hits standpoint, the choice is obvious. And even if you take the route of people thinking this match was the actual final, this further proves the point of 1v1s being better. Casual voters considered this a match that mattered, and it far outscored any 4-way match from the main bracket. The fact is, 1v1s will always be better than gimmicky 4-way formats, and this match proved people will come out in equal or greater amounts for a true 1v1 bracket. Bacon just hasn't given 1v1s a legit chance, and of course he can hide behind the site traffic excuse when we haven't seen a true 1v1 contest in three years. Duh Bacon, of course site traffic goes up over a three year period. It's common sense. However it required huge nuts to give us this bonus poll, so major kudos to him for it. Now this just needs to be translated into 1v1 contests for the future, since the results speak for themselves.

As for the actual match, Ocarina replicated its performance from the final. Final Fantasy 7 was never in the poll, and that was that. Ocarina defeated FF7 twice, fairly and in two different high-scoring formats, to become out undisputed new #1 game. No excuse can be made for FF7's loss other than Ocarina just being better. Ocarina has always been a guaranteed top 2 on this site, but until 2009 it had never won. It had always been dominant, but no tournament wins. Now it has one. And just in case you're one of the few who thinks 4-ways are more exciting because of raw vote margin and prediction percentage numbers, use some common sense. Of course prediction percentages and vote margins are cut in half when two more entrants are in a poll. Durrrrrrrrrr. It means nothing about which format is better, plus Ocarina finally getting a contest win is exciting regardless of the final margin.

With the 2009 PCA now over, time for the traditional contest ranking! 2009 games is arguably the best possible contest we could have had given the format and generations, and was our fourth best contest overall.

Summer 2002 Contest (Characters)
Spring 2004 Contest (Games)
Summer 2003 Contest (Characters)
Spring 2009 Contest (Games)
Summer 2005 Contest (Characters)
Spring 2006 Contest (Series)
Summer 2007 Contest (4-Way Characters)
Summer 2006 Contest (Female/Male Character Split)
Summer 2008 Contest (4-Way Characters)
Summer 2004 Contest (Characters)
Spring 2005 Contest (Villains)

See you all next year, where we hopefully get a 1v1 games contest!

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/17/2009 11:54:31 PM | message detail

And on that note, my first full PCA since 2006 is finished! Thanks for reading, all.
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 7/18/2009 12:10:08 AM | message detail

Summer 2002 Contest (Characters)
Spring 2004 Contest (Games)
Summer 2003 Contest (Characters)
Spring 2009 Contest (Games)
Summer 2005 Contest (Characters)
Spring 2006 Contest (Series)
Summer 2007 Contest (4-Way Characters)
Summer 2006 Contest (Female/Male Character Split)
Summer 2008 Contest (4-Way Characters)
Summer 2004 Contest (Characters)
Spring 2005 Contest (Villains)

I would have ranked Summer 2007 higher because of the L-Block win. Oh yeah, there's isn't even a write-up for the 2007 bonus match on the Board 8 wiki. I could do a write-up for that match, since I remember it pretty well.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/18/2009 1:52:59 AM | message detail

There also aren't any write-ups for some of the last few matches from the last character contest. Please?

Calintares | Posted 7/18/2009 6:28:35 AM | message detail

Note that this win was prety much all North America. Zelda always did best in North America, and in the bonus match it won with 56% there, almost everywhere else FFVII won.

of course, when the North Americans make up 75% that is of little concern.
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L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 7/18/2009 7:27:11 AM | message detail

It just proves America > Rest of the World. :D

Though I give bonus points to the UK for having better taste in certain areas, such as Fallout 3 for GotY.
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charmander6000 | Posted 7/18/2009 7:45:06 AM | message detail

Ulti you have the series contest too high.

Also 2k6 and 2k8 should be flipped.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/18/2009 7:58:22 AM | message detail

Too bad I don't live in America anymore (though my profile says that I do, because that's where I lived when I signed up).

Game_Of_Death | Posted 7/18/2009 8:22:19 AM | message detail

Alright, Ulti, it's all on Board 8! Woo!
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/18/2009 8:47:18 AM | message detail

From: L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted: 7/18/2009 9:27:11 AM | #251
It just proves America > Rest of the World. :D

Though I give bonus points to the UK for having better taste in certain areas, such as Fallout 3 for GotY.

Asia has the best taste.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 7/18/2009 10:37:12 AM | message detail

Ha, Series Contest over the 2007 contest, that's a good one. Series Contest was blowout city, with like two close matches.
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AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 7/18/2009 10:52:06 AM | message detail

As much as I don't care much for many of your other opinions on this board, and even on games sometimes, your contest analysis is always top notch. Another job well done.
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Meeks54 | Posted 7/18/2009 11:10:28 AM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #256
Ha, Series Contest over the 2007 contest, that's a good one. Series Contest was blowout city, with like two close matches.

Series is easily over 2007. Just for Zelda vs FF alone, not including the other great matches. If you take L Block cheating away from 2007, honestly, what does it have?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 7/18/2009 11:13:23 AM | message detail

What other great matches, exactly?

And we've had this discussion about what taking away L-Block from 2007 leaves the contest in this topic already.
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charmander6000 | Posted 7/18/2009 11:21:59 AM | message detail

Series is easily over 2007. Just for Zelda vs FF alone, not including the other great matches. If you take L Block cheating away from 2007, honestly, what does it have?

Luigi > Ganondorf
Pikachu > Tidus, Vivi, Leon, Dante
Vincent > Crono
Ryu > Bowser, Auron
Marcus Fenix > Kefka, Ocelot
Ocelot > Jill
Meta Knight > Peach
Master Chief > Dante, Luigi, Pikachu
Big Boss > Magus
Amaterasu > Little Mac, Matt, Ada Wong, Balthier
Ada Wong > Balthier
Ryu Hayabusa > Riku & Roxas combine
Duke Numkem > Freeman > Ike
Liquid Snake > Alucard > Ness
Phoenix Wright > Bomberman
HK-47 > Lloyd > Jak
Scorpion > Frog > Midna
Frog > Axel

The series contest had...

The Legend of Zelda > Final Fantasy
Resident Evil > Street Fighter
Kingdom Hearts > Castlevania > Halo
Metroid > Pokemon
Mega Man > Mario Kart
Warcraft > Grand Theft Auto
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LeonhartFour | Posted 7/18/2009 12:31:56 PM | message detail

Mega Man > Mario Kart was a bad match. I wouldn't even put it on the list of good Series Contest matches. It was just Board 8's fault for overhyping Mario Kart.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/18/2009 1:34:54 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | Posted: 7/18/2009 2:31:56 PM | #261
Mega Man > Mario Kart was a bad match. I wouldn't even put it on the list of good Series Contest matches. It was just Board 8's fault for overhyping Mario Kart.

That match was amazing, because I enjoy watching this board overhype something and then fall flat.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/18/2009 1:39:44 PM | message detail

2007 was terrible for starting that god-awful format.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 7/18/2009 2:12:34 PM | message detail

And yet you claim matches are good for pre-match hype, which is what the 4-way format people argue in favor of all the time. It was a boring match.

Bacon started the format, not 2007. For a one-time thing, 2007 was great. It just needed to STAY a one-time thing.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/18/2009 9:16:47 PM | message detail

Mario > Samus was also a "boring" match, but I loved it to death.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 7/18/2009 9:17:53 PM | message detail

Mario > Samus has a lot more going for it than Mega Man > Mario Kart. MM > MK was a boring, one-point match that meant nothing.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 7/18/2009 9:18:57 PM | message detail

Not to say that any first round match is worthless if it's just a one-pointer, but if it is just a one-point match, it better have been a good one, or at least a shocker. MM > MK was neither.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/19/2009 11:09:51 AM | message detail

One last bump before I untrack. Good times.
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Ngamer64 | Posted 7/20/2009 11:39:48 PM | message detail

All finished up? Excellent.

*archives everything*

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